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October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

soundoff (8,748 Responses)

  1. hello faith

    October 13, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
  2. Doris

    Most named stars have Arabic names. Stars named more recently rarely get Arabic names. Why is this?

    (Hint: the reason is easily correlated to something Thomas Jefferson said:

    "[If] the nature of... government [were] a subordination of the civil to the ecclesiastical power, I [would] consider it as desperate for long years to come. Their steady habits [will] exclude the advances of information, and they [will] seem exactly where they [have always been]. And there [the] clergy will always keep them if they can. [They] will follow the bark of liberty only by the help of a tow-rope." )

    October 13, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • Doris

      have rarely received

      October 13, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

        Yes, and as Dr. Tyson has said, "Science is a philosophy of discovery, intelligent design is a philosophy of ignorance." I would add, "of WILLFUL ignorance."

        October 13, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
        • ploj

          As doctor Ben Carson says, this nation is great because it was founded upon Christian principles

          October 13, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh, I have to assume this is the Dr. Ben Carson who apologized for his "nasty" and "ill-informed" comments (per some faculty) this year about gays after some Johns-Hopkins students circulated a petition asking that he be replaced as a commencement speaker.

          In any event... wrong. The founding ideal was freedom. That is not something owned by Christianity.

          "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

          Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."

          –John Adams A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America (1787-1788)

          October 13, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
        • sam stone

          "As doctor Ben Carson says, this nation is great because it was founded upon Christian principles"

          The same "christian principles" that kept Dr.Carson's ancestors in chains, faith?

          How is that big, big, big, big, big, big, fvcking big lawsuit coming?

          October 14, 2013 at 7:50 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It's interesting that some brilliant people are not held down by their religion. Abdus Salam, one of the major contributors to the Standard Model, was as devout as anyone I've ever seen here. He believed completely that what he saw in the symmetries of nature revealed things about his God. Religion, in turn, does little to encourage people like him.

      October 13, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
      • Doris

        Yes, Tom your first point is interesting. In Tyson's talk, The Perimeter of Ignorance, I think his main concern seems to not be for the general population, but for the most brilliant minds: the large percentage of them (even if only 15%) that not only do not get your last point, but ignore the pattern that history clearly shows – today's scientific solutions were yesterday's conundrums attributed to some god.

        October 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
        • ploj

          "Was to not be" lol. Moron! split em girl

          October 13, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Doris

          That Dr. Tyson's video gets posted frequently. It's almost omnipotent – it was, it is, and it will be – you can count on it.

          October 13, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
      • Doris

        Well you know, since we've talked about it so much here, I may as well post it again:
        =========================
        Neil deGrasse Tyson,astrophysicist, explains how God disappeared as an explanation for things humans did not understand about the universe, as the "perimeter of ignorance" receded. The greatest minds dared increasingly brave to question the world around them, but sometimes cowardly copped out along the way when they faced problems -similar to the modern Intelligent Design movement that advocates a "god of the gaps"- until someone else took over and furthered scientific progress.

        YouTube Published on Mar 2, 2013

        [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiLnC7ikw8&w=640&h=390]

        October 13, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
        • R.M. Goodswell

          I always enjoy listening to this man:)

          if you have the time watch this.

          October 15, 2013 at 12:14 am |
        • zampaz

          Thank you for posting Session Two of the 2006 TSN conference Doris!

          October 15, 2013 at 7:28 am |
  3. Bob

    Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    October 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • Ron

      Bob, I think something is wrong with your computer because the same response from you is posted over and over and over and over again? Are you a single response man, or is it a computer glitch? You may want to check into it. Just trying to help out.

      October 13, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        Nothing to do with you quoting from your book of spells then?

        October 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
      • HotAirAce

        Ron, I think there is something wrong with your brain. You keep on posting crap from The Babble. You might want to see a mental health professional. Just trying to be helpful.

        October 13, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
        • ploj

          So do u, creep. Lol! could u be any dumber?

          October 13, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
  4. Ron

    "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. " ...Romans 10:9

    October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • Vince

      Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.
      Thomas Paine

      October 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
      • Ron

        Vince, God is love. It seems you are quoting another misguided man. Is that wise?

        October 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
        • redzoa

          Well then, let's quote your God: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

          I see . . . who can question the "love" which accompanies a command to slaughter children and infants . . .

          October 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Perimeter of Ignorance

          And that's what we call a factual smackdown.

          October 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
        • Ron

          Red, I hope you never try to teach a BIble class as you haven't got a clue of that which you speak. Who are the Amalekites and who are the Israelites? Do you have any idea?, or is that not one of the verses in your atheist anti-Bible handbook?

          October 13, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Ron, So you don't consider Genesis part of the bible? So you don't believe in the christain creation myth or original sin – that's progress.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
        • redzoa

          @Ron – First, trust me, you'll never have to worry about me teaching a Bible class. Second, yes, I know who the Amalekites and the Israelites were (do you?). Third, there is nothing taken out of context in my application of 1 Sam 15:3 to your claim that "God is love." Lastly, I note you failed to even remotely address the discrepancy between your claim and the command to slaughter children and infants.

          I've heard all the apologist rationalizations, e.g. the children and infants were subjected to abuse and it was a mercy butchering (absurd on its face), the children would have grown up to be evil (pre-emptive judgment absent an exercise of free will), etc, etc. The truly egregious aspect of 1 Sam 15 is that after having killed all these women, children and infants (1 Sam 15:8), Saul is rejected not for slaughtering women, children and infants, but rather for temporarily sparing Agag and some of the better livestock to be subsequently sacrificed (1 Sam 15:9-33). The message of 1 Sam 15 is not "love" or compassion or mercy, it's strictly obey without question or suffer the displeasure of a brutal and merciless God.

          October 14, 2013 at 12:38 am |
        • Ron

          Red, your very perceptive. That story is not an example of His love but rather His judmgent and wrath. Let me clue you in. The God of Love, who sent His Only Son to this world to die for our sins, is a God of Justice and wrath. The story you cite is a good example of that. Thats a no brainer.

          October 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Bob

      Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
      • St. Ain

        He probably just saw that it contains bible verses and felt compelled to look elsewhere like most of us do.

        October 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Ron
      Yes, we get it, your book says god is great, and how do we know, because your book said so. How do we know we can believe the book? Because the book says we should.

      Self affirming nonsense.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
      • Ron

        Well Richard, somehow I'm not convinced that you really do get it.

        October 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
        • redzoa

          Feel free to point out the error in Richard's response . . .

          October 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
  5. Ron

    "Trust in the Lord with al your heart and do not lean on your own understanding." ...Proverbs 3:5

    October 13, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • Vince

      Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.
      Voltaire

      October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
      • Ron

        Vince, do you prefer the thoughts of men to the teachings of God?

        October 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
        • redzoa

          Can't speak for Vince, but I certainly prefer the thoughts of men over a God who condones slavery and who directly commands the slaughter of children and infants.

          October 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
        • Vince

          All these "teachings of God" were written by men, right?

          October 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          The bible is nothing more than the works of men. Not one word in the bible was put there by any gods. Since men created it, men have changed it, edited it, added things, removed others, translated it, re-translated it. Never once did any god put a single word in the bible.

          The word of god vs. the works of men? 1=1 and always will. .

          October 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
      • Ron

        Vince, men of God who were moved by the Spirit of God to write the Word of God. Not men spewing their own thoughts.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
        • Ron

          Athy, those who are of God hear God's words.....Jesus John 8 God gave us His Word. Reject it at your own peril my friend.

          October 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
        • redzoa

          "Reject it at your own peril my friend."

          Is that you Pascal?

          October 13, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
        • Ron

          Well Athy, since those who are of God hear the Words of God, what does that say about you?

          October 13, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
        • tallulah13

          It says that he's a functioning adult who is more interested in reality than in the man-written words of a man-made god.

          October 13, 2013 at 7:41 pm |
        • Ron

          Athy, no my friend, that is not MY position, it is the position of Jesus, the Son of God (John 8). My opinion and yours really don't matter. No offense.

          October 13, 2013 at 7:51 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          In my not so humble opinion "of god" equals "mentally ill delusional." I don't have any proof but it seems that proof is not a requirement when discussing imaginary beings.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
  6. Ron

    "And without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe that He Is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." ...Hebrews 11:6

    October 13, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Vince

      God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to conceive.
      Ayn Rand

      October 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
      • Ron

        Vince, it seems Rand forgot the part about ...and to Whom all men will give and account, and Who will decide their eternal fate.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          But that's only there to scare the gullible – religion is an expensive business and they need suckers to finance their lifestyles.

          October 13, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
  7. Ron

    "By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the Word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible." ...Hebrews 11:3

    October 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • Bob

      Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
  8. Ron

    "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." ...Hebrews 11:1

    October 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Vince

      A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

      Friedrich Nietzsche

      October 13, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
      • Ron

        Vince, you follow men. Is that wise?

        October 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
        • Follow This

          So do you, Ron - and at that, primitive Middle Eastern ones and their fantasies and superst/itions.

          October 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Ron

          Follower, I'm sorry follower if you are unable to disguingish between the Word of God and the teachings of men. I follow God.

          October 13, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
  9. Ron

    "We walk by faith and not by sight." ...II Corinthians 5:7

    October 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Bob

      Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
  10. Ron

    "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." ...Romans 10:17

    October 13, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Bob

      Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
  11. Ron

    "Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who built it."... Psalm 127:1

    October 13, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Bob

      Ron is hard at it on this blog today dumping quotes on us from his Christian book of nasty, so let's take a closer look at what's really in that horrid book AKA the bible. From both horrid testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
  12. Sue

    One point that is often lost in Creationist vs. Atheist arguments is that beyond considerations of existence of an omnipotent being in general, it actually can be proven (and has been proven) that the Christian god specifically does not exist. The Christian god has contradictory claimed characteristics, and other attributes, that simply prove that it does not exist.

    For me, Christianity is pure myth, case closed.

    October 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Vince

      Yup!
      If Superman, with all his power, simply "chose" not to save someone that he easily could, nobody would ever think of him as any kind of "hero". God sits on his hands, watching people suffer horribly, and his fans actually claim to appreciate him more for it. Something about that is really messed up, big time!

      October 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
      • Sue

        Great additional point, Vince. I'll remember that Superman comparison.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
  13. thevolution

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-aUH4x9Sso&w=640&h=390]

    October 13, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Ok...there's three minutes wasted I'll never get back.
      Firts, they say that certain information haas not been verified, which does not make it false considering the mountains of evidence for support. Then there is a FLAT OUT LIE. It says that ALL genetic mutations are harmful. That is flat out false. While the vast majority of mutations are harmful, there are many that are helpful. You can find many examples of this, do your own research. Then it comes back again with there is no verifying evidence to support it, but again, the evidence that is sought and not there is only one small piece of the information.

      Then this actually tries to imply that mankind shared the planet with the dinosaurs, at the same time...recently. Flat out false, and there are literally mountains of evidence that shows dinosaurs did not walk the earth during the same time. They were seperated by MILLIONS of years.

      This video is an advertisement as well, for pure BS

      October 13, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
      • Sue

        Thanks, Richard, for taking the trouble to reply to that anti-evolution claptrap. I appreciate your effort.

        October 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Protons

      In the absence of evidence, all that one is left with is faith and evolutionists require tremendous faith. That video does a good job explaining just that.

      October 13, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
      • Richard Cranium

        In this case, there are a couple of information holes in the theory of evolution, and they are claiming the whole of the theory is false because of a few pieces missing. They don't mention the mountains of evidence that confirms it.

        Either way, there is no excuse for the flat out lie about mutation. That is just pathetic.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
      • Vince

        If there actually was an absence of proof for evolution you'd have a point, but you're actually describing the creationist position. Creationism was the story back in the time before evidence. Once scientists like Darwin started collecting the evidence, evolution developed into the best explanation for that evidence.

        That's how people came to accept the theory that the earth orbits the sun, and the theory that germs cause many diseases. They had to claw acceptance away from a superst itious world, and evolution theory is no different.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
      • redzoa

        This is the typical projection of theists who rely solely on faith absent any evidence. Evolution is supported by empirical physical evidence from every relevant scientific discipline, i.e. from astronomy, physics, chemistry, geology, paleontology, biology, ecology, etc. Furthermore, it is validated in applications ranging from medicine to agriculture, from conservation biology to engineering. For evolution to be false, this would require that the entire scientific enterprise be effectively useless as the foundational understanding must be inescapably flawed beyond repair. The irony of course, is that creationists desperately attempt to cloak their apologetics in pseudoscientific explanations precisely because they recognize the unquestionable strength and applicability of the modern practice of science. Out of one side of their mouths, they claim science supports their religion, but out of the other side, they claim science cannot be trusted.

        October 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
      • Bob

        Why is it when rich, white Christians say that they heard "God" tell them what to do (for example Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry) despite all facts and logic, people like you call them "brave". But if that person was poor or say Muslim you would call them "crazy"?

        October 13, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • cytec

      Also, Geologists, chemists, astronomers and biologists are not as stumped .RNA, remains the most popular answer to this. RNA-world hypothesis is not problematic. RNA and its components are not difficult to synthesize under the best of circ umstances, in a laboratory, and under plausible prebiotic conditions. Once RNA is synthesized, it can make new copies of itself only without a great deal of chemical coaxing from the scientist. The RNA world is so satisfying that some scientists are resorting to much more far out –other than speculation.

      Did you claim there are no transitional fossil evidence? There is plenty of transitional fossil evidence which proves evolution.
      Take for example the evidence found of foot found in the transitional fossil evidence of a whale recently.

      Also, mutation is proof of evolution–how you ask? Mutations constantly add new genetic code of an organism.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
  14. Simplify1

    The atheists claim that they have proof that God does not exist? How can they prove the non-existence of something that they believe does not exist in the first place?

    October 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      Most atheists do not claim they have proof god does not exist

      October 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Sue

      One point that is often lost in Creationist vs. Atheist arguments is that beyond considerations of existence of an omnipotent being in general, it actually can be proven (and has been proven) that the Christian god specifically does not exist. The Christian god has contradictory claimed characteristics, and other attributes, that simply prove that it does not exist.

      For me, Christianity is myth, case closed.

      October 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Ben

      Most of us wouldn't claim to know that no gods exist anywhere. What we usually say is that none of the claims of actual gods are convincing enough to accept.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
  15. dfghSDFASDFdfg456345

    RED OPERATION VENEZUELA.

    100.000CHILDS ASESSINATED, TO ITALIAN AGENCIES.

    October 13, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
  16. tort

    atheists in foxholes?

    like hanky the preeevert in the choir

    October 13, 2013 at 9:53 am |
  17. Benton Collins

    With time and advancements in technology, experiments may be able to verify my proposal. More than likely it will not be by it's direct observation, but by observing it's effect on that which can be observed. For instance, doubly-charged Higgs Bosons cannot be directly observed by a detector, but through the subsequent effect it's presence has on particles that can be observed directly. For now, my theory or proposal can only be tested in the mind. Einstein was famous for his thought experiments who's purpose was to lead the reader to a better understanding of his theories, but offered no tangible proof as such (within the thought experiments). Nikola Tesla could see his designs actually running in his mind before he brought them to life with wire, wood and metal. So those looking for evidence now that can be seen on a display that is generated by a black box may be disappointed. But those that can "see" the process running in their minds like Tesla or Einstein may find this close enough for now until the advancements come that can paint the "proof" into a tighter corner.

    October 13, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • HotAirAce

      So, you don't have a concrete plan to test your hypothesis other than crossing your fingers and hoping that at some time science might prove you correct. I suggest your hypothesis is no better than current theology – "gods exist and non-believers can't prove they don't so they must exist." I'll leave it to you to figure out what's wrong with that assertion.

      October 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
  18. Don

    As a non believer I do understand why you believe and those are as many as there are stars.
    I do not fault you for it as I could not fault a child who cannot sleep without it.s favorite stuffed toy.
    I can only celebrate in the peace it gives to you. I have no desire to awaken you from or disturb that peace.

    October 13, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • Vince

      Children typically grow out of their comfort toys, however. These believers want to remain children forever, which is really, really sad.

      October 13, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
  19. Don

    There is so much proof that god does not exist, man has been making up gods ever since we could reason. It's part of our makeup we are afraid to be alone and more afraid of the responsibility that it entails. Why do you think every country on earth has created their own gods. some of these beliefs last a long time and some not so long. but one thing they all require and that is absolute obedience and if not the threat of eternal agony. I ask you does that sound like a merciful loving god. You will love me and obey me or he will punish you for not a time period but forever. But now if your a christian you can just ask for forgiveness and everything is forgotten. When you talk about god don't be using words like fairness merciful kindness etc. the words that should be used are murderer rapist narcissistic cruel and self serving it's all right there in the good book about the bad guy. every christian believes in heaven as a wonderful place no worries no sin god's chosen people. But wait if it's such a great place why did he have a coup, by some of his top angels. You see as time goes on the rhetoric just don't fit any longer. So they either change the story or create a new religion. Hey why don't we kill our offspring when they talk back at us, the bible inspired by god says that's what we should do. ah the new testiment well in there J.C says he did not come to change the law but to fullfill it. So I would think that in it self validates the old testiment.

    October 13, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Reality # 2

      And added note:

      The New Testament has only one major atrocity, that of god committing filicide assuming you believe in this Christian mumbo jumbo. Said atrocity should be enough to vitiate all of Christianity.

      October 13, 2013 at 8:32 am |
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