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October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

soundoff (8,748 Responses)
  1. BuleriaChk@aol.com

    Science suggests that after the Big Bang, god smoked a cigarette, rolled over, went to sleep, and hasn't been heard from since.
    However, the Bibble teaches that he woke up, knocked up a poor carpenter’s fiancé, convinced the locals that it was a virgin birth, and then threw his illegitimate son under the bus when he turned out to be a liberal. The locals testified that the son appeared to them after his death, a story that perseveres to this day, often as images on the crusts of toasted cheese sandwiches.
    God has strong Republican CEO core values...
    And since when do Republican values have anything to do with Christianity?

    November 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Subliminal Criminal

      He also committed mass genocide and in a giant over reaction murdered millions of species because of a small select population that allegedly went against his wishes. Sounds like a real nice guy.

      November 6, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
      • I"ve always wondered

        Since the guy is imaginary anyway, can't you just imagine something a little more pleasant?

        November 6, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
  2. libertyadamson

    I don't think that atheists realize that at some point in human history, they are going to get their way and all Christians will be gone from the earth. The book of Revelation in the Bible talks about a great catching away of Jesus' followers and all that will be left are those who don't believe in God on the earth. It is a day that Christians long for (and atheists too, I'm sure!). So once all Christians are gone, atheists will be free to rule the earth at their caprice. In the mean time, Christians are going to continue to bring the Christian message in the hopes that more people will come to faith and get to spend their eternity in Jesus' presence. And in the mean time, atheists are going to continue to bring the atheist message in hopes that people won't come to faith and spend their eternity in Jesus' presence.

    November 6, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • Chikkipop

      For now I can convince myself that someone is playing a joke online, but meeting people who believe stuff like this in person is really depressing.

      Please tell me you're just kidding.

      November 6, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • PrincePoliblog (@PrincePoliblog)

      You do know that Christianity isn't the only religion on earth right?

      November 6, 2013 at 11:49 am |
      • Kent Hovind

        It's the only right one.

        November 6, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
        • sam stone

          of course, kent, the only right one.

          now take your meds

          November 7, 2013 at 2:40 am |
    • Subliminal Criminal

      If it's as simple as that, then why hasn't god said anything about it in modern times? Why has he not updated the bible to apply to modern society or even hint to the people that he's still up there? Why stand by idly while folks kill each other over which interpretation of him is the right one? Strange, this so called god was involved constantly in the ancient world, but now he's just MIA? So he's going to save Christians because they got lucky and were born in the right location and indoctrinated into the right faith, while the rest all burn in hell forever because they have never heard of Jesus or the bible without even saying a word to them about it? What a great guy!

      Truth be told, if god existed he's long gone or simply does not care about how we live our lives. I mean seriously, all the guy has to do is reach out to the people and multiple wars will instantly end. For an all powerful guy, he sure seems to be limited in what he can do.

      November 6, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
      • The Lord is my Shepard

        The LORD is at work everyday!!! You don't get the privilege of getting to see it because you are blinded by this world. The reason that GOD is not stepping in right now is because he made a promise to the believers that he was going to come back and take care of Satan and all evil once and for all! Jesus died so that ALL SINS could be forgiven and that we would have a relationship with GOD through Jesus Christ (he is the bridge to GOD). The Gospel which seems to be what the atheist's are missing is:

        November 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
        • Subliminal Criminal

          So you surely can give me examples of god's recent work, right? Or is your worldview dictated by "god exists cuz the bible said so"? I really wish people had more scrutiny.

          November 6, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
        • Barcs

          Why? Why wouldn't god just eliminate Satan in the first place instead of waiting until the world goes to hell and full scale nuclear war breaks out in his name?

          November 6, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
        • ET Iphone Home

          If god is all powerful as your beliefs indicate, then he would never come or go. He would always be there. Saying he's going to one day come back? Okay terrific. So what model spaceship does he drive? I'm interested.

          November 7, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  3. Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

    Temba, his arms wide/open
    Kadir beneath Mo Moteh"
    Kiteo, his eyes closed

    Shaka, when the walls fell

    November 6, 2013 at 5:27 am |
  4. Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

    Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

    November 6, 2013 at 5:12 am |
  5. Steven Gold

    And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.'
    The current pope says perhaps not.
    That is the thing about religion, most don't agree on major points.

    November 5, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

      The beast at Tanagra
      Kadir beneath Mo Moteh

      November 6, 2013 at 5:31 am |
  6. Salero21

    No PR here atheism is stupidity in Full bloom in any and all seasons.

    November 5, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
    • Steven Gold

      Lack of any logical reasoning and name calling to boot.
      Thanks for making a point for the other side.

      November 5, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
      • Observer

        WORST TROLLING on the blog. Pathetic.

        November 5, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
        • Steven Gold

          Caps and more name calling when no logic or reasoning.

          November 5, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
        • Observer

          Steven Gold,

          Chill. Not you, the troll.

          November 5, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • John Woods

      It is interesting to note how many desperate believers, eager to stuff their convictions down our throats, cannot even punctuate a simple sentence. Says much about their intelligence.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
    • rh

      Nah nah nah nah nah, nah.

      I've got freewill, I've got freewill.

      November 6, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Subliminal Criminal

      When in doubt repeat yourself over and over again and it will become true. Atheism is the logical default since there is absolutely no tangible evidence of ANY god, let alone YOURS, which is one of the most ridiculous versions there is.

      November 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
  7. Haha

    Both sides are acting real stupid with this. It's bad PR for both.

    November 5, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • meifumado

      Your not familiar with the saying "Any PR is good PR"

      November 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
      • Marco

        You're not familiar with the fact that "Any PR is good PR" was believed to be true 30 years ago. Not now.

        November 5, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
  8. Button pushing troll

    I could get a rise out of most of you by saying "Hail Satan down with Jesus" or "Hail Jesus down with Satan" or even "Dawkins was right". Just a few simple phrases and I can predict your reactions, which is interesting because you don't know who I am, what I mean, or if I am lying to you.

    I suspect in many cases I could even make your blood pressure go up or down depending on who I pretended to be.

    I bet most of you have never thought about that possibility either.

    November 5, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Numbers

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJHWeW4ySgk&w=640&h=390]

      No gods needed !

      November 5, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
      • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

        Temba, his arms wide/open

        November 6, 2013 at 6:39 am |
    • saggyroy

      I watched the Ancient Aliens episode on the 'Devil Conspiracy'. Usually those guys seem like crackpots to me, but they raised a valid point. The devil tempted Eve so she would eat from the tree of knowledge, which was against god's commands to Adam and Eve. Basically the premise was that god wanted to keep humans ignorant, and the devil wanted to enlighten us.

      November 5, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
      • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

        Kira at Bashi

        November 6, 2013 at 6:41 am |
      • Subliminal Criminal

        Hail Satan!!!!

        November 6, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
        • Satan

          Thank you

          November 6, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
      • Lessons in Hebrew

        Just for the record Satan is not a name.

        November 7, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • Piccolo

          Correct. He's a cartoon character in DBZ.

          November 7, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • Observer

      Wrong. There's always the possibility of liars on here.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
      • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

        Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened

        November 6, 2013 at 6:43 am |
  9. GOOD NEWS

    "They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said.

    Here is "The Evidence" you are asking for, Mr. Silverman.

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com
    UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES

    November 5, 2013 at 4:15 am |
    • Steven Gold

      Then by that logic the 'miracles' of other gods and beliefs proves the are right.

      November 5, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The site is pretty funny. It's difficult to imagine why anyone would take that stuff seriously.

      November 5, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
      • sam stone

        no kidding. funny stuff, it is

        November 7, 2013 at 2:43 am |
  10. bibleisfable

    Let me explain to you WHY you "believe" in a "god" that does NOT exist. People have a tendency to avoid change whenever possible (the "if it was good enough for my daddy and good enough for his daddy, then it's good enough for me" syndrome). Thus, religions tend to get passed down from generation to generation as a matter of course, without ANYONE bothering to question why (in most cases). In addition, whenever the majority of a society believes a certain thing, whether true or not, It becomes part of the cultural fabric which everyone is expected to embrace. Thus, there are several powerful factors involved in perpetuating cultural icons (whether they are worthy of being perpetuated or not).

    In addition, the "sales pitch" from religions hits the right buttons for most people (after all, religions have had a LOT of practice at this for a very long time). Using the old carrot & stick technique, religions promise that in the (non-existent) afterlife, EVERYTHING will be rainbows and puppies (or whatever). The streets will be paved with gold (as if you actually need money after you're dead) and it will be an endless party. Sounds really nice (even if it IS just a snow job). Then comes the stick of "hell" wherein if you don't toe the line, you will suffer excruciating pain forever (as if you can actually feel ANYTHING after you're dead). So, the offer a reward and threaten a punishment is sufficient to keep most people in line, especially those with little education and/or mediocre intelligence levels.

    Therefore, most people buy in to the hype and go with the flow, whether they are totally convinced or not. However, even those with little conviction actually compound the problem by increasing the "acceptability" factor. With all of that as a background, you are setting the stage for the "true believer", which is a very special class of person (and NOT in a good way). The "true believer" is looking for a cause that he (or she) can support wholeheartedly, even if it isn't true. To the "true believer", truth is the least of the worries. What is important to the "true believer" is the APPEARANCE of truth. The only thing that matters is the protection of the cause and the "true believer" will do anything necessary to do so. Once the "truth" (as far as the cause is concerned) is determined, the "true believer" will argue for that "truth" even when presented with overwhelming evidence that the "truth" he (or she) believes in is proven false.

    In the face of overwhelming odds against what the "true believer" believes is real actually being true, the "true believer" will develop a system that allows them to continue believing the cause is true. This tactic is known as "apologetics", which consists of taking the real truth and twisting it all around in order to "fit" into the "cause", no matter HOW convoluted the twisting might get. The branch of "apologetics" has been around nearly as long as the church (since even way back then, it was obvious that things just didn't add up). The "new" apologetics" goes under the name of "creationism", but the goal remains the same, to protect the "cause" regardless of WHAT may be necessary in order to accomplish that goal.

    Take a look in the mirror, because YOU are a "true believer" AND an "apologist" for a cause that is NOT even real. You must be a hard core supporter of your chosen fantasy since you have completely ignored ALL of the evidence presented to you to show you that your "beliefs" are NOT real. And yet, each time, you run and hide your head in the sand whenever any new evidence comes along to further disprove your "cause". After all, the LAST thing the "true believer" wants is for his "story" to come unraveled by the actual truth.

    November 4, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
    • Chikkipop

      Excellent stuff!

      November 4, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • MicronDigital

      Your insights are fascinating. Well, there are 100s of testimonies of people who have gone to heaven, all describing it in the same way. Those descriptions didn't even come from the Bible. Testimonies can be tampered with, yes...but it's like trying to deny UFO's exist when crop circles appear every week or so. Plus, what is so wrong about keeping a moral code and loving everyone? And, if you please, what evidence is there that proves that God does NOT exist? What makes evolution any more believable than Christianity?

      November 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
      • Real Deal

        MicronDigital,

        What makes you think that it was "heaven" that they went to - especially the Christian "heaven"? Do isolated Amazonian tribal folks see Jesus, Mary and Joseph in these experiences? Maybe these NDE experiencers go to Nirvana, or Elysium, or Never Never Land, or Xanadu, or ?. And maybe it's just a very human physical brain misfiring.

        Believe whichever fantasy you like, just don't claim it as fact.

        November 5, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • MicronDigital

          Ah, you bring a good point. Christianity, the religious traditional part is created by man. Faith, however, was not created by us. The testimonials I refer to are modern people, hundreds who have experienced the afterlife. One of my family members has had a similar experience, listening to God and such. A classmate of mine had been there, too. Misfire? One guy wrote a book who had been dead (like limbs in the back seat of the car), no brain activity, aka dead as a doorknob. He spent 90 minutes in Heaven. And, of course, came back to tell his story. Plus, when people die, they lose maybe three pounds instantly. I think most would agree, from ghosts and such, that we humans possess a soul, beyond this physical world. It seems an awful shame if we were to simply blink out of existence, for a pointless existence. We won't change each other's beliefs, so we know arguing won't help! I hope to encourage everyone (including myself) to keep an open mind. I want to say that what I have experienced from a life in Christ is better than anything I could have done with my own life.

          November 5, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
      • Subliminal Criminal

        Yeah totally. When near death, people definitely do not hallucinate or anything!!

        November 6, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
        • MicronDigital

          Sure...but the exact same vision after they are dead, every time? On youtube, you could spend days seeing all of the testimonials. But, blessed are those who believe without seeing. Well, also, bless everybody!

          November 6, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
        • Piccolo

          When near death, the brain releases chemicals and as it stops functioning properly. So yeah, it makes perfect sense that people see very similar visions. And even so, seeing visions and white lights doesn't prove there is a god.

          November 7, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • Dan Harnz

      Interesting points. You ever think that we are all living a lie? When you get down to it, everything you have ever experienced has been filtered through the veil of your senses and all of your senses have evolved to experience the world in the way that makes your survival most probable. In reality, you don't know a thing about anything. So really, we are all apologists for something. You seem to be defending reality. Others like to defend something else. Is either defense really more reasonable than the other? I would argue no, but then again, I might not actually exist, so why listen to me?

      November 5, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
      • MattinDC

        Nice!

        November 5, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
      • Subliminal Criminal

        Well, one is backed by observable, tangible evidence, and one is wild guess based on texts written when 90% of mankind was illiterate. I know which one I believe.

        November 6, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
  11. bibleisfable

    Lets begin with the world wide flood that never happened...

    A global flood would have produced evidence contrary to the evidence we see.

    How do you explain the relative ages of mountains? For example, why weren't the Sierra Nevadas eroded as much as the Appalachians during the Flood?

    Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. [Johnsen et al, 1992,; Alley et al, 1993] A worldwide flood would be expected to leave a layer of sediments, noticeable changes in salinity and oxygen isotope ratios, fractures from buoyancy and thermal stresses, a hiatus in trapped air bubbles, and probably other evidence. Why doesn't such evidence show up?

    How are the polar ice caps even possible? Such a mass of water as the Flood would have provided sufficient buoyancy to float the polar caps off their beds and break them up. They wouldn't regrow quickly. In fact, the Greenland ice cap would not regrow under modern (last 10 ky) climatic conditions.

    Why did the Flood not leave traces on the sea floors? A year long flood should be recognizable in sea bottom cores by (1) an uncharacteristic amount of terrestrial detritus, (2) different grain size distributions in the sediment, (3) a shift in oxygen isotope ratios (rain has a different isotopic composition from seawater), (4) a massive extinction, and (n) other characters. Why do none of these show up?

    Why is there no evidence of a flood in tree ring dating? Tree ring records go back more than 10,000 years, with no evidence of a catastrophe during that time.

    Trees that were completely submerged in salt water would have died, so when we look at trees that are say 10,000 years old, and not only did they live past the "mythical flood' but they show zero evidence of a flood. can you find trees with evidence ? sure, that shows there was a local flood, not worldwide, submerged flod that killed all life including vegetation. you are familiar with barometric pressure of course so you understand introducing that much magical water into our system would have wrecked it right?

    The conventional flood story states that the flood waters came from rain that lasted 40 days and 40 night right? Rain appears when the atmosphere can no longer support water in the vapor phase and it becomes saturated. So normally, the atmosphere is on the brink of saturation, and the variations in temperature and pressure caused by weather fronts are capable of altering the threshold at which precipitation will form quite easily. What about the amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for the 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water needed for the global flood? The water vapor currently in the air is only around 2-3% on average, with a maximum of 4% limited by temperature and pressure.

    The change in atmospheric conditions required to support enough vapor for 112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day – about 120,000 times more than the current daily rainfall worldwide – would have rendered the air unbreathable. You do see the problem right?

    Indeed, the atmosphere really couldn't sustain that much water even under the most extreme temperature and pressure conditions the planet can produce. If the conditions were right for that much water to be in the atmosphere, humans and virtually every other animal would have drowned through the simple act of breathing, as well as turning the earth into the equivalent of a pressure cooker with atmospheric pressure at nearly a thousand psi instead of the standard 14.7 or so that we have today.A bit of a problem, ah science, designed to wave away myth and fable.

    November 4, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • Tom

      Boy, are you misinformed. First, you point to The Flood, disparity of erosion between mountain ranges of the U.S., and Greenland's 40,000 yr old ice, and lack of noticeable changes in salinity/oxygen ratios as "evidence".

      With plate techtonics, Pangea, and the lack of a real date The Flood occurred since the Bible's early Old Testament was likely passed down by word of mouth before any of it could be written down, I don't believe that any pinpointing of any geological so-called discrepancy can be used against the event. It's like saying that because you found a layer of soot at a certain level in the soil that a glacier could not have been there 1,000 years later. You have to relate the event to a definite time and THEN analyze SEVERAL places based on that time, not one or two. Or find correlations in several places at about the same time. Not just pick a time at random and say there's no evidence for it at that time. The mountain ranges and ice cap you speak of probably were not around at the time of The Flood, as they are relatively recent formations, in terms of Earth's age. Pangaea was a relatively-flat continent, and mountains could easily have resulted from the erosion of a flood.

      The deposits you have mentioned that would be consistent with floods have been found consistently around the world – marine fossils found on mountains, liquefaction eruption mounds exist today of petrified sand (Ayers Rock in Australia, several in the U.S. SW) – a result of water-logged sand that erupted to the surface due to it being lighter than the surrounding rock as water seeped in due to a Flood, the lack of many fossils prior to the Cambrian-Precambrian interface – a time when these mounds occurred and a time just after which when swamps dominated the Earth's surface – a time when fossils then became abundant and gave us our current coal layer we enjoy today and was over 544 million years before the K-Pg extinction event that wiped out the dinosaurs (66 mill yr ago) – but was, itself, a time of mass extinction. I would challenge you to read this carefully researched report published on UNC's website for the evidence you seek, if you are willing to open your mind: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/flood.html and review the extinction timelines and geological periods at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event (for lack of a better source at the moment – I'm being lazy picking Wiki). Over 600 million years is a long time for oxygen and salinity ratios to recover just fine, especially as the world's currents and land masses were not as they are today and have been moving ever since, which can account for any variation you claim doesn't exist today in the form of your "terrestial detritus", sediment "grain size", and your tree ring dating – which does not go back that far (oldest trees known are redwoods, about 10,000 years, as you mentioned).

      You claim to know that The Flood required "4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water" globally. How did you come up with that calculation, or the one requiring "112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day"? Out of your head? Or the "fact" that wet air is unbreathable – especially if we are limiting its percentage of the atmosphere to only being able to be 4%, based on temp and pressure, as you say? I think you are making many assumptions and not showing your work. Today, there is enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 8,000 feet, if the world were flat – as it relatively was 600 million years ago, so the water capacity exists. If animals died from overpressure of water vapor, that is not outside the realm of possibility, either – the Precambrian-Cambrian layer shows an extinction event occurred, as have many others in Earth's history. So I'd revisit your "science" and brush-up a little on geology and history, as well.

      November 6, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
      • Piccolo

        Are you a geologist that has studied those things? Yeah, didn't think so. You read it on a dishonest website. The science has already been done. Global flood is unrealistic and never happened. There would be obvious evidence left behind. What DID happen was localized flooding between 10-12 thousand years ago when the last ice age was coming to an end. There was also a suspected impact event (comet or asteroid type) around 7-8000 BC (based on ice core samples) Since human society was far from global at the time, it makes sense that they experienced flooding. But it wasn't the entire world. It was THEIR world. There is a reason why flood stories have been passed down and it's not because god got angry at his own creation and decided to over react and kill millions of innocent creatures and species in an extremely slow process that would make the earth almost uninhabitable. An all powerful god could snap his fingers and all the evil folks would instantly die. No need for some absurd tall tale about global floods. It's obvious that flooding happened, but never the entire world at once. Ice caps melt, and crazy whether patterns emerge when the temperature rose and we left the ice age. No magic or god necessary.

        November 7, 2013 at 11:48 am |
        • MattinDC

          Huh!?! Dude, there is AMPLE evidence of a global flood in the layers of sediment found all over the GLOBE
          gOOGLE IT!

          November 7, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
        • Piccolo

          What evidence in sedimentary layers? Please elaborate. Sedimentary layers are formed slowly over time and compressed together after thousands of years of sediment. All google searches confirm that sedimentary layers cannot form in a year's time and that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and sedimentary layers actually CONFIRM this. If you have scientific data that conflicts with this without speculation and misunderstanding of scientific principles I'd love to see it.

          November 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
        • MattinDC

          Hey pal...they FOUND YOUR your MISSING Ark in Turkey......LOOK that UP...Doubting THOMAS!
          hahaha "Doubting THOMAS'...classic!

          November 7, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
        • Piccolo

          So are you going to post that evidence or just repeat hoaxes?

          November 7, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
  12. sly

    Ha ha ha - Earth was created 10,000 years ago?

    What a joke. Earth is no more than 100 years old, and if you don't beleive it – prove it to me.

    No, pictures and books are not proof. God created Earth in 1914, and there ain't no one on here who can prove me wrong.

    Also – Barry Bonds is God, and there ain't no one on here who can produce any proof to the contrary.

    November 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • james

      now we know why "the family stone" left you alone.

      November 4, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • corridorwatcher

      Actually it was created last Thursday, and in fact it is re-created every Thursday. The entire universe is destroyed every Wednesday at midnight, and a new one is created instantly. You are created with all your memories of a past, and everything is made to look like it would if it were really old. We now about DNA and the Bible today, but tomorrow it may be created with a whole different history and science. Prove that wrong.

      November 4, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
      • I knew it

        I believe it corridor. I've felt like I was in the wrong universe for the last seven months. So has a friend of mine. Time shifted it seemed like. Everybody else seemed different from that point on.

        November 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • corridorwatcher

          There must be something special about you and your friend that you made it through the change. Have you noticed perhaps that what was an empty store space is now a Starbucks. Check before next Thursday, else it might be a Mc Donalds-,too long and it probably be a Walmart.

          November 4, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
    • Kent Hovind

      You mean there's written history before 1914? No there's not, that's god testing our faith, just like with dinosaur fossils. Didn't you know that dinosaurs were all herbivores before Adam defied god in the garden?

      November 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
      • corridorwatcher

        they ate cocoa puffs.

        November 6, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
  13. j

    After death, all athiests will find out REAL quick just how "fake" God really is

    November 4, 2013 at 8:35 am |
    • Reaper

      I bet that's it exactly. Everybody is freaked out about knowing they are going to die. That fact doesn't change no matter what religion or lack of religion you try and use to cope with it. That's why people come on here and hash it out.

      November 4, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      not to mention those who worship the WRONG god

      November 5, 2013 at 6:09 am |
    • Mohammed

      After death, it won't matter because you'll be DEAD. The comedy of it all is that some people completely dedicate their life to a religion without even being certain it's true. That's asking for major disappointment.

      November 6, 2013 at 11:37 am |
  14. GOOD NEWS

    "I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists,
    they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

    Here is what you are looking for, Mr. Silverman!

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com
    –UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES–

    November 4, 2013 at 3:16 am |
  15. sigh

    Am I the only person who does not read a religious book expecting it to be a science book or a legal text?

    November 4, 2013 at 1:42 am |
    • Subliminal Criminal

      Probably. Creationists constantly babble on about the bible being the literal absolute word of god and claim it has science in it. The truth is they don't know what science actually is. I don't see why the bible wouldn't be a compilation of morality stories to teach children, but hey, logical thinking is not allowed. It must be absolute word of god!

      November 6, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  16. teleutemania

    Trollin' and trollin'.

    November 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
  17. Lilia Reaper

    You really make it seem so effortless along with your presentation but I find this matter for being genuinely something that I believe I'd hardly ever fully grasp. It appears as well complicated and very broad for me. I am wanting forward for the subsequent put up, I'll strive to obtain the hang of it!

    November 3, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
  18. Believer7

    Well if Atheists want to put up a bunch of joyless billboards, so can believers. I don't really relate well to atheists cause I don't understand their lack of faith in anything and most I've met are pretty dull, joyless and empty but that's the path they chose.
    I do also believe in evolution because I love the realm of science and there are many facts and evidence that shows how life has "evolved" and adapted. But I also know God is real and when I studied science I saw how absolutely beautiful life is and I was in awe of how perfect and wonderful all the dynamics just re-affirmed to me that there was no way it all just happened by chance. Evertyhing from single celled phytoplanktons up to the perfect way the moon and sun and earth just happened to align so magnificently in the universe and played off each other so wonderfully that there is just no way anyone will ever convince me that life started with a BANG and just fell into place as it did.

    November 3, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wow, I think I counted about 3 or 4 logical fallacies in your one post. I haven't seen that many since Chad and fred were at their most active.

      November 3, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • Colin

      Yeah, I'm with Hawaii. My head was spinning after the second paragraph. Does it hurt to be that stupid?

      November 3, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • Prof cal

      God could not give children to millions of loving couples. So science, with the help of in vitro fertilization brought joys of tears to millions of couples worldwide. Thankfully instead of prayed they went to a doctor.

      November 3, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • tallulah13

      So basically, because science just doesn't fulfill your need for shiny, happy fantasy, you'll just ignore the stuff that contradicts what you want to believe and continue to claim that "god did it".

      That's right up there with watching your parents wrap your presents and put them under the tree, then insisting that Santa brought them.

      November 3, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • lol??

      Evolution hasn't been proven in 25 centuries of its pop vain imagination. Get crackin' dreamers.

      November 3, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
      • Science Works

        lol?? a bruised banana ?

        From the Wyoming Bighorn fossil bed.

        Global Warming Led to Dwarfism in Mammals - Twice

        Nov. 2, 2013

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131102095546.htm

        November 4, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Subliminal Criminal

      You have an odd definition of perfect. What's the deal with all the diseases and genetic disorders? You say you love science but seem to turn a blind eye to all the imperfections that make creation ridiculously improbable and unlikely.

      November 6, 2013 at 11:42 am |
  19. robertboston12

    I came from nothing. No one had a part of me, I just was, with no physical explanation, I just appeared in a dark and dead universe. Yet I had a purpose, a plan, a goal, but I lacked education and experience. From my unskilled self I spawned into a great many things that brought forth the living in this once dead empty space. I have no memory, yet I think, and I perform such great feats without a brain. I made all living things in the universe. They live and think amazingly, they build, and destroy, they love, and hate, they have marvelous bodies, and boundless life forms. Yet I, have no brain, nor did I have a family . . . as I stated, I just was there, without explanation. I'm very confused! -First Cell/Matter.

    November 3, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • corridorwatcher

      good to see you have evolved.

      November 3, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Agnostic

      Nobody knows, nobody may ever know

      November 3, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • krivka

      I am sure you meant there to be be a message in your post. there wasn't.

      November 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
      • robertboston12

        Yes, I did...I am waiting for answers. thx

        December 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Well, gosh, robert. You could try to find honest, real answers, but I guess it's just a lot easier to shrug it off and say "god did it". Of course, the next logical question would be "where did god come from" and then you'd have to make up something else.

      November 3, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • corridorwatcher

      Wow. A talking cell. Now bring on the dancing pancreas.

      November 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
  20. robertboston12

    http://readandlearnnow.wordpress.com/

    November 3, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • tallulah13

      Who created god, Robert? And none of that silly stuff about existing outside of space and time, unless you can somehow prove that outside of space and time actually exists.

      November 3, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
      • Subliminal Criminal

        Dood! God always existed! I know I can't prove it and zero evidence exists but I believe it so it's true. Why can't the universe be eternal as well, you say? Well it just can't. God is the only answer.

        November 6, 2013 at 11:47 am |
      • robertboston12

        Well....If we focus on the physical world then my questions remain. God can easily be an ever lasting being when in the spiritual world. We can't know about a world we don't see...but only the physical. So why should it be difficult to believe that there is a world beyond human power and intelligence, ... when we can't answer these basic fundamental questions of life.

        December 1, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
        • Dandintac

          But why would you assume such a spirit world to actually exist? Think about what a huge claim this is. If it were any other claim that was huge and extraordinary–would you just assume the truth of it, or would you be skeptical in the face of no hard evidence?

          Evidence. Please. Evidence.

          December 1, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
        • robertboston12

          The evidence is in the facts of science that state that all physical things must come from another physical thing/s....that means there must be a starting place for the physical world.

          If there is a beginning for the physical, then something other than the physical must have set it in it's course.

          December 2, 2013 at 10:18 am |
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