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October 16th, 2013
03:20 PM ET

What Oprah gets wrong about atheism


Opinion by Chris Stedman, special to CNN

(CNN) - To some, Oprah Winfrey appears to have an almost godlike status. Her talents are well recognized, and her endorsement can turn almost any product into an overnight bestseller.

This godlike perception is fitting, since in recent years Winfrey’s work has increasingly emphasized spirituality, including programs like her own "Super Soul Sunday."

But what happens when an atheist enters the mix?

A few days ago Winfrey interviewed long-distance swimmer Diana Nyad on Super Soul Sunday. Nyad identified herself as an atheist who experiences awe and wonder at the natural world and humanity.

Nyad, 64, who swam from Cuba to Key West last month, said “I can stand at the beach’s edge with the most devout Christian, Jew, Buddhist, go on down the line, and weep with the beauty of this universe and be moved by all of humanity — all the billions of people who have lived before us, who have loved and hurt.”

Winfrey responded, “Well I don’t call you an atheist then.”

Winfrey went on, “I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery then that is what God is… It’s not a bearded guy in the sky.”

Nyad clarified that she doesn’t use the word God because it implies a “presence… a creator or an overseer.”

Winfrey’s response may have been well intended, but it erased Nyad’s atheist identity and suggested something entirely untrue and, to many atheists like me, offensive: that atheists don’t experience awe and wonder.

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The exchange between Winfrey and Nyad reminds me of a conversation I once had with a Catholic scholar.

The professor once asked me: “When I talk about God, I mean love and justice and reconciliation, not a man in the sky. You talk about love and justice and reconciliation. Why can’t you just call that God?”

I replied: “Why must you call that God? Why not just call it what it is: love and justice and reconciliation?”

Though we started off with this disagreement, we came to better understand one another’s points of view through patient, honest dialogue.

Conversations like that are greatly needed today, as atheists are broadly misunderstood.

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When I visit college and university campuses around the United States, I frequently ask students what words are commonly associated with atheists. Their responses nearly always include words like “negative,” “selfish,” “nihilistic” and “closed-minded.”

When I ask how many of them actually have a relationship with an atheist, few raise their hands.

Relationships can be transformative. The Pew Research Center found that among the 14% of Americans who changed their mind from opposing same-sex marriage to supporting it in the last decade, the top reason given was having “friends, family, acquaintances who are gay/lesbian.”

Knowing someone of a different identity can increase understanding. This has been true for me as a queer person and as an atheist. I have met people who initially think I can’t actually be an atheist when they learn that I experience awe and am committed to service and social justice.

But when I explain that atheism is central to my worldview — that I am in awe of the natural world and that I believe it is up to human beings, instead of a divine force, to strive to address our problems — they often better understand my views, even if we don’t agree.

While theists can learn by listening to atheists more, atheists themselves can foster greater understanding by not just emphasizing the “no” of atheism — our disagreement over the existence of any gods — but also the “yes” of atheism and secular humanism, which recognizes the amazing potential within human beings.

Carl Sagan, the agnostic astronomer and author, would have agreed with Nyad’s claim that you can be an atheist, agnostic or nonreligious person and consider yourself “spiritual.”

As Sagan wrote in "The Demon-Haunted World,":

"When we recognize our place in an immensity of light‐years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual.”

Nyad told Winfrey that she feels a similar sense of awe:

“I think you can be an atheist who doesn’t believe in an overarching being who created all of this and sees over it,” she said. “But there’s spirituality because we human beings, and we animals, and maybe even we plants, but certainly the ocean and the moon and the stars, we all live with something that is cherished and we feel the treasure of it.”

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I experience that same awe when I see people of different beliefs coming together across lines of religious difference to recognize that we are all human — that we all love and hurt.

Perhaps Winfrey, who could use her influence to shatter stereotypes about atheists rather than reinforce them, would have benefited from listening to Nyad just a bit more closely and from talking to more atheists about awe and wonder.

I know many who would be up to the task.

Chris Stedman is the assistant humanist chaplain at Harvard University, coordinator of humanist life for the Yale Humanist Community and author of Faitheist: How an Atheist Found Common Ground with the Religious

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  1. e11even4fter

    Not all atheists think or believe alike just like not all Christians think or believe alike. Maybe Chris Stedman and other atheists can relate to Diana Nyad but that doesn't mean that they are correct in assuming that she is just like one of them.

    March 18, 2014 at 1:07 am |
  2. Djay

    I get where this argument is coming from, but I also see Oprah's point of view. Yes, maybe she doesn't believe in a "God", but awe and power in nature is almost pantheistic, and "spirituality" is more of a faith in the self. They are more atheistic than actual religions, but not right on.
    To be an atheist is to live your life in either complete and utter despair because there is no hope, no reason, no purpose, or to live as animals do. Atheists reject any form of belief, so why would they bother to believe in the earth, environment, self, etc.
    For an accurate view of an atheist, I suggest reading Lucretius.

    January 13, 2014 at 8:43 pm |
  3. quotespotato

    Reblogged this on Thoughts Potato.

    January 11, 2014 at 5:14 am |
  4. Atheism is wrapped up carnality.

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    January 10, 2014 at 12:58 am |
  5. God is not a bearded guy in the ground.

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    January 10, 2014 at 12:51 am |
  6. Tom Lancaster

    Any Christian who tells you to "read and understand" the Bible is in denial himself. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God (John 1:1). Jesus is the word and scripture is clear he is; was and shall be. Many folks thought they could read and understand the bible over the years, just as today, only to find themselves lost and confused usually leading to a double standard of judge on Saturday and preach on Sunday. Search the scriptures; for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me that ye might have life(John 5:39-40) For the word oof God is quick(living) and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT 9not one in the same). These few verses clrarly demonstrate the Bible is not a book to be studied and memorized, but a living word to be discerneded spiritually, not by man and his finite understanding. Also in my 54 years I have found most Christians cannot explain any of these verses so they revert to denial and Judgenment. As far as Spiritual discernment goes just check out 1 Corinthians 2:14-15. No ability to understand and no need to judge what man does with our limited wisdom.

    January 9, 2014 at 11:25 am |
    • Corey

      Well, your question doesn't stand up to principle because Christ lived and taught by what was written in the old law to perfection.Even the oft misquoted "He without sin cast the first stone..." was based on what was written in the old law.
      Christians from Acts 2 through today only have authority based on what was written. If you teach anything outside of that, it is a trespass against God.
      1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

      January 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm |
    • Corey

      More importantly, it is up to Christians to not only discern the scriptures spirituality, but to take the word of God and let them live within us as they did in Christ. That's the Word or Logos.

      2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

      January 10, 2014 at 12:10 am |
  7. Wuxia007

    Wait a minute. What colleges and universities is author going to that he finds only a few students who have a relationship with an atheist? Also, atheist are not only victims of misunderstanding. You'd be surprised how many people don't actually understand Christianity.

    January 8, 2014 at 11:51 am |
  8. PB MAX

    Insane stuff being said here . Sickening . Atheism is so sad , so hopeless and worse evil when atheists go out of their way to belittle the beliefs of others . How one can stand on this earth and believe that it was all an accident and coincidence that we are are is beyond me . That all the perfection of life and what is needed to achieve life on earth is random is silly and sad . Their is more proof ( scientific ) that God exists than there is that he does not . Pick up the Bible and read , really read it . The new Testament is perfection . I will pray for Atheists as much as i can but at time they do not make it easy

    January 8, 2014 at 11:17 am |
    • Snoob

      I am sorry you feel that way. I am an atheist but I do not judge anyone who is Christian or follows some other faith. I have never walked a day in your shoes so who am I to judge your beliefs? If you want to be a Christian and it makes your life better then great! I support you and I will not judge you. Not all atheist are created equal just like all Christians are not the same so before you say things like "atheism is so sad", please consider that you really do not know what you are talking about and it is not your place to judge how I think or feel.

      January 8, 2014 at 11:43 am |
    • Rob1234

      Pleaseeeee explain to me this evidence you have . I will convert today since your religion has all the answers and you obviously are well studied in this topic. Read a bible???? Understanding what is in the bible is the main reason I am an athiest!

      January 8, 2014 at 7:52 pm |
      • Corey

        If you can give us something that you "understand" beyond the stories you were TOLD when you were 5, then you have a valid reason to be an atheist and Anti-Bible. Until then, you are just making stuff up.

        January 9, 2014 at 11:39 pm |
        • Guest

          Enough already. Quit acting like children. I am an atheist, but you are free to believe whatever you want. You are all making ridiculous assumptions about each other, and doing nothing to further your cause. I don't know why you believe in god, but I know why I don't. That is all that is needed to "validate" any belief. Give it a rest.

          January 10, 2014 at 12:01 am |
    • Steve Chenoy

      It's not an accident or coincidence. It's scientific fact. If you could understand science than you would see the lack of "accident" and the beauty of scientificly inevitable evolution both in life and the universe.

      January 9, 2014 at 12:03 am |
      • stymie1

        Right on. Until you understand that evolution is not driven by “accident” alone, you’ll ever get close to wrapping your head around it. In nature, a few simple laws can generate very complex systems. It happens all the time in living and non-living material. Take basic chemistry for instance.

        February 16, 2014 at 3:18 pm |
    • Corey

      Don't focus on just the New Testament. That is why many are errant in what they call "Christianity". They fail to connect the principles from the old testament to the new testament. It is within these principles that we can have confidence that the Bible is indeed God's word.

      January 10, 2014 at 12:04 am |
  9. Kevin Colquitt

    Oprah Winfrey should be considered as nothing more than a bully for her disrespectful treatment of Diana Nyad. Shame on her!

    December 18, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
  10. Will W

    I do not mess with atheists. They ARE close-minded.

    November 22, 2013 at 5:27 am |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      You're probably doing them a huge favor....

      December 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Matt

      That's a pretty close-minded thing to say.

      December 3, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
  11. MacDaddyD

    Atheism is, by definition, a "no". There is no necessary "yes" associated with it. No, I don't believe in God/Gods, but there are all kinds of things I don't believe in; why should I define myself in those terms? Perhaps to advocate for my right not to be religious - yes, that's an excellent reason, but beyond that, I find that I have better conversations when I talk about what I do care about. As you say, the "yes" can foster greater understanding. And that goes to the labels I use to self-identify. If pressed, I'd call myself a nontheist, then an atheist, but above all a humanist.

    An aside: Some atheists make too big a deal about religion being bad. I cannot fathom why anyone would want to pick that battle. Freeman Dyson correctly notes that there's no way to determine whether religion has done more harm than good. If one is going to take a combative stance, one should be on firm ground. Asserting that religion is on balance bad is an insult to the rationality we cherish, and a terrible way to start a good conversation.

    November 16, 2013 at 4:02 am |
    • MacDaddyD

      And yes, Richard Dawkins, that's you I'm talking about. Gnus need to chill. They're giving the rest of us non-believers a bad name.

      November 16, 2013 at 4:05 am |
      • Fr33th1nk3r

        Richard Dawkins is correct– we should not have to handle absurdities with "kids gloves".

        December 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
        • MacDaddyD

          I criticize Dawkins adn the "gnu atheists" not for the tone - that's a secondary consideration - but for making an argument without firm basis. Dawkins et. al. are saying that religion does more harm than good. How does one prove that? If one is going to make an argument against ignorance, let alone do do sans the kid gloves, one had better be on firm logical ground.

          Religious believers argue, with no basis, that it's better to believe than not to. Atheists are right to call them out on that and ask them to prove it. That's the reasonable thing to do. It's not reasonable to take on the burden of proving the opposite.

          "Religious belief is illogical and has caused a lot of misery; why should one believe?" That's a statement based in fact and reason. Going further and asserting religion is on balance bad says: "I've tallied up the good and bad stuff that people have done throughout history, sorted out what was and wasn't due to religion, and here's the net result." Good luck with that.

          December 3, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
  12. Siseon

    So what are those who do not believe in a God, but are not 'spiritual' or in awe of beauty or justice? The problem is that the author is somehow in awe of the (unjust) claim to morality that religions make. I'm not saying that atheists are immoral, it's beyond morality whether you believe in god or not. You can perfectly well reject religion simply because you are rational and not having to replace it with religion-like attributes...

    November 15, 2013 at 10:39 am |
  13. Marcus

    Why does atheism even exist? Why doesn’t God simply reveal Himself to people, proving that He exists? Surely if God would just appear, the thinking goes, everyone would believe in Him! The problem here is that it is not God’s desire to just convince people that He exists. It is God’s desire for people to believe in Him by faith (2 Peter 3:9) and accept by faith His gift of salvation (John 3:16). God clearly demonstrated His existence many times in the Old Testament (Genesis 6-9; Exodus 14:21-22; 1 Kings 18:19-31). Did the people believe that God exists? Yes. Did they turn from their evil ways and obey God? No. If a person is not willing to accept God’s existence by faith, then he/she is definitely not ready to accept Jesus Christ as Savior by faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). God’s desire is for people to become Christians, not just theists (those who believe God exists).

    November 13, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • shamgar50

      Stand in front of a mirror, and read your post out loud, until you feel as silly as I think you are.

      November 14, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      How convenient, Marcus......a god who requires no proof– just our unwavering faith.
      RUBBISH.

      December 1, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • Djay

      The reason that would never work is because there are always those few that want to focus on what they can taste, touch, feel, see, and smell. If science can't prove it, then it doesn't exist. Luckily for us, the existence of A god can be proven by reason, and has been through philosophers like Thomas Aquinas and Augustine of Hippo. C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity" also makes some good points, to atheists and struggling Christians alike.

      Basically, the deal is you have to make a bet. There are only two possibilities, and two choices. God exists + you believe (living breathing like a good Christian/Religious person). Here you gain heaven, life everlasting. God exists + you don't believe. You lose heaven and life everlasting. God doesn't exist + you believe. You lose nothing except maybe time and pleasures. God doesn't exist + you don't believe. What do you gain besides the satisfaction to be right, and live your life in whichever way you wish.

      Really, it's a choice every person has to make sooner or later.

      January 13, 2014 at 8:39 pm |
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