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Illinois bishop plans gay-marriage exorcism
Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Illinois is planning an exorcism for the state after it approved gay marriage.
November 15th, 2013
10:10 AM ET

Illinois bishop plans gay-marriage exorcism

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - The devil made them do it?

According to a Catholic bishop in Springfield, Illinois, Satan was behind his state's recent legalization of same-sex marriage.

So, next Wednesday, at about the same time Gov. Pat Quinn signs the gay marriage bill into law, Bishop Thomas Paprocki will hold an exorcism ceremony "in reparation for the sin of same-sex marriage."

Paprocki, who's something of an expert on exorcism, says he's just following the Pope's marching orders.

When Pope Francis, then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, was an archbishop in Argentina, he called that country's legalization of same-sex marriage "a 'move' of the father of lies who wishes to confuse and deceive the children of God."

In a statement released on Thursday, Paprocki said: "The pope's reference to the 'father of lies' comes from the Gospel of John, where Jesus refers to the devil as 'a liar and the father of lies.' So Pope Francis is saying that same-sex 'marriage' comes from the devil and should be condemned as such."

Since his election as Pope in March, Francis seems to have taken a less combative approach to homosexuality. At a news conference in July, for example, he said "Who am I to judge?" a gay person who seeks to be a good person.

Illinois politicians - including Catholics - cited the Pope's words when explaining their support for the state's same-sex marriage bill.

In September, the Pope said the church has no right to "interfere spiritually" in the lives of gays and lesbians and chided Catholics who "obsess" about fighting culture war issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

MORE ON CNN: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

But Paprocki calls same-sex marriage "contrary to the plan of God" and says all Catholics who support it - from legislators to county clerks who issue marriage licenses - are "culpable of serious sin."

The bishop has invited priests and lay Catholics to his exorcism ceremony, officially called "“Prayers of Supplication and Exorcism in Reparation for the Sin of Same-Sex Marriage,” which is scheduled for November 20 at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Springfield, Illinois.

Paprocki says the ceremony will follow the Catholic Church's Rite of Exorcism, which explains that Satan not only possesses people, he can also invade places and things, including the church itself.

"We must pray for deliverance from this evil which has penetrated our state and our church," Paprocki said.

Exorcism is experiencing something of a renaissance in the United States, with the Catholic bishops recruiting dozens of priests to perform the ancient rite. Paprocki is among the bishops leading the recruiting drive.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Culture wars • Faith • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Pope Francis

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  1. Vic

    It is disheartening that I my comments get deleted out of threads or the entire thread if I am the OP. I address issues and answer questions honestly and objectively, and that's what I get, deletion.

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    Vic
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Yes, and it is not out of bigotry but reason. To most people, it is 'unnatural."

    November 15, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Report abuse | Reply

    Vic

    The point is that science at its entirety cannot explain where male and female came from, yet, we observe in nature that mating happens between male and female as a rule.

    November 15, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Report abuse | Reply
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    November 16, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      How would you know? After all, you don't believe in science.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Doris

      "The point is that science at its entirety cannot explain where male and female came from, yet, we observe in nature that mating happens between male and female as a rule."

      Not really. Reproduction results in many species from male, female, but mating? Members of the same se-x from many species get together to be together as a couple, Vic.

      Read more about gene modification, Vic. In some species a gender or a wing/wingless determination can occur just before birth, but in other species it can occur where a host can be pregnant with a semi-determined child that is already pregnant with a semi-determined child that is already pregnant with.... (too a number of levels) Fascinating stuff....

      November 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
      • Vic

        Science, to whatever extent it has reached, whatever it addresses is only something that already exists while 100% lacking knowledge of its Origin.

        It seems like nobody on the non-believing side is addressing the Origin of male and female, let alone matter and life.

        November 16, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Quite true. Honest people say "we don't know." Dishonest people make up silly reasons to believe in strange fairy tales like... "a big invisible sky wizard chanted magic spellz for six days!!"

          November 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
        • Brad

          The origin of male and female can be found in biology.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
        • Vic

          I design and program digital systems, and I read Theoretical Physics and many scientific researches, while I believe in what I do is real and tangible, I see how Theoretical Physics is not factual, yet, I don't mock it nor unreasonably discredit it.

          The problem with atheists, when it comes to that, they no respect whatsoever for what we Christians believe was divinely revealed. I myself stop short at certain passages entertaining the possibility of a scribal, translational and/or interpretational errors, but I truly believe that there is a true original divine revelation.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
        • Vic

          ".. they have no respect whatsoever for.."

          November 16, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
        • Brad

          So VIc. Why do you argue with people over things they don't know? Maybe a simple statement of how you know God will be more helpful.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
        • Doris

          Why should there be respect for the notion of something divinely revealed when, upon repeated requests, you have been unable to demonstrate any such absolute "truths"? Why should we not think that all such alleged "truths" are all part of human consensus in some way?

          November 16, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
        • Vic

          Faith/Belief in God is a serious human affair, and it is the right thing to respect it.

          Let me ask you this, do you have respect for Theoretical Physics, which is not proven?

          November 16, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
        • Vic

          How I believe in God:

          It is evident to me that there is a God Who created this universe and life in it. I detect that by sentience, basic instincts, intuition, and common sense, and I see this universe and life in it as circumstantial evidence.

          Now, after examining many scriptures and studying ideologies, I have come to believe that there is a true divine revelation and that God is the Father, Son (Lord Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Vic
          Do you not find it passing strange that while his creations mankind have developed extraordinary technologies that your GOD guy is still stuck in the first century? Pretty useless god you have going for you.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
        • Doris

          I respect many things or portions of things if I see merit in them. Even parts of some religious activity. That's quite different from getting to a point on any notion/object where I feel comfortable accepting it as knowledge. I have not been given a decent answer yet though, as to why I should maintain a religious belief.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
        • Vic

          You don't have to believe in God nor anyone has the right to force you to but that's not an excuse for disrespect the belief that there is a God who created it all.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
        • Vic

          ".. not an excuse to disrespect the belief that there is a God who created it all."

          November 16, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
        • Crom

          @Vic
          How can you reasonably ask anyone to respect your hateful psychotic beliefs that are always different from person to person, proving their non-worth and lack of honesty?

          Why should anyone respect your ideology when it damages so many people?
          That's all a religion is – an ideology.
          Why should your ideology be above the laws we are all supposed to follow?
          Why should your ideology have more rights than a child, leading directly to their death because you don't respect them over your ideology?
          There is nothing deserving respect in your ideology. You are no better than a Muslim willing to kill innocents for your 'god'.

          November 16, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      Vic
      Despite your persecution complex please try and respond. The mind is very complex. The norm is male female attraction, there are some that can be attracted to both s*xes, bi-s*xual, and those that are attracted only to the same s*x, gay lesbian. These are facts and I doubt they are choice. To illustrate my point my neighbour had a right friendly dog, he/it would try and mount other dogs of either s*x and adults legs and small children. Did this dog do so by choice/lifestyle or have a brain misfunction, a genetic abnormality? Why not humans, not choice but born that way?

      November 16, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
      • Vic

        I am not discussing the details of exceptions in this arguments, I am simply answering a posed question of whether there is a valid argument other than religious against same-se marriage. That's why I am taking it from the top, that is the Origin, first, since we observe a strong rule in the outcome of that Origin in nature.

        November 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
        • Brad

          Biologists know that in the beginning there was neither male nor female. Personally I don't believe God would care what people do with their genitals if people didn't care so much about it.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Are you saying you now believe in evolution?

          November 16, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Vic
          So you are ducking the reality of what we observe in this time and place and have to resort to "In the beginning..how Christian, no not just Christian but all the other creation myths that man has created.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
        • Brad

          Of course I do. I'm a biologist. I have a Phd in Molecular Genetics.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
        • Vic

          That is absolutely NOT true. Neither biologists nor anyone else know(s) where male and female came from!

          The issue here is not whether or not if it is a sin same-se marriage is, rather, it is evident that the Origin of male and female made it the rule of mating nature.

          November 16, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
        • Vic

          "That is absolutely NOT true. Neither biologists nor anyone else know(s) scientifically where male and female came from!"

          November 16, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
        • Brad

          Do you mean something other than what biologists mean by the words male and female?

          November 16, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Vic
          Yes I understand. You have a priori belief/argument that you do not want to stray from, this is a very religious/apologist trait, were you born with it or is it a lifestyle choice?

          November 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Science Works

      Gosh golly gee Vic this might help ypu understand how it works but I doubt IT.

      Scientists Solve Major Piece in the Origin of Biological Complexity

      Nov. 6, 2013 — Scientists have puzzled for centuries over how and why multicellular organisms evolved the almost universal trait of using single cells, such as eggs and sperm, to reproduce.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131106073859.htm

      No exorcisms required !

      November 16, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
  2. My Dog is a jealous Dog

    The way I see it, there are two primary drives that perpetuate the species; se.xual drive and pair bonding.

    In other to enhance the probability of successful child rearing both drives are preferred. For any individual both of these drives can be present in some degree. We can't as a society prevent individuals without a pair bonding drive from ever having se.x, so why should we prevent individuals with a different se.x drive from forming legally recognized pair bonds.

    You may say that being gay is "unnatural", well I will argue that to deny them normal human pair bonding is "unnatural" and cruel.

    November 16, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Crom

      Very well said.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
  3. Doris

    A speech by Bart Ehrman at Stanford University about the story behind who changed the bible and why and the history of the bible and how they got tainted. He is a former Christian bible scholar who studied the bible and found the mistakes and became an agnostic.

    This speech is a must see for christians who ask questions like:
    Who wrote the gospels?
    Is the bible the word of God?
    Are there contradictions?
    Does the bible contain errors?
    Is there evidence or proof?

    Bart Ehrman holds a PhD magna cum laude from Princeton Theological Seminary. He is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0zWbL8Uqfw&w=640&h=390]

    November 16, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      Maybe Rainer can speak to the discrepancies between his modern copy of the Bible and all of those other revised versions that preceded it.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
  4. Bootyfunk

    jesus...
    long hair, great tan, six-pack abs, never got with a woman, hung out with 12 dudes...
    yeah, i'm pretty sure jesus would be pro-g.ay marriage. very pro.

    November 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Akira

      As he never said a word about gays, I'd tend to agree.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      About the h00kers, Ok I guess he might have been sticking up for his guys.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  5. Rainer Braendlein

    Another aspect:

    According to St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 1, gayness was quite widespread in the ancient, pagan world before the Gospel of Jesus Christ had been pronounced worldwide. They had not recognized the testimony of Creation, and had not asked for the Creator but prefered to serve the idols. God let them go their ways but as they had chosen to serve the powers of death (the idols) they degenerated and many of them became gay (just read Romans 1).

    Apparently gayness is an indicator for disbelief. But (!) Paul also numerates a lot of other sins like avarice, envy, malice, etc. as indicators of disbelief. Maybe St. Paul set a trap for the reader of his letter. The reader who disgusted himself about the gays would find himself some lines later amongst the people of avarice, envy, malice, etc., perhaps.

    Our sin today weighs heavier than the sin of the ancient, pagan Greeks and Romans because we have got not only the testimony of the Creation but also the testimony of God incarnate. God visited the earth in the person of his Son Jesus Christ. He told us that we could get cured from all our maladies through faith in Him, in Jesus Christ who died and rose for us.

    It is cause for high concern that we as a whole return to the darkness despite such a great revelation of the Divine.

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    November 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      "Apparently gayness is an indicator for disbelief."

      No, but stupidity in belief is an indicator for disbelief.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Research indicates that homosexuality is determined prenatally by hormones present within the womb. It has nothing to do with religion.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      RB
      You have not addressed the question if jesus had risen, so to speak, because simon his favorite was also his bottom boy what then?

      November 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 1 (or simply Romans 1):

      For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
      • Observer

        Rainer Braendein,

        Why did you PICK and CHOOSE that when you could have PICKED and CHOSEN the FAR MORE IMPORTANT Golden Rule?

        November 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
      • Brad

        Hello Rainer. You describe the ones we should seek out and bring into our Church.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
      • AnotherNutterButter

        I don't know bout you, but most men find two women to be kinda interestin ... what duzz that make us?

        November 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Oh my! Now you've done it!

          November 16, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
      • tallulah13

        There isn't a single shred of evidence to support the existence of any gods. There isn't a shred of evidence to support the existence of the christian god. There is no evidence that the authors of the bible were anything but normal humans. You can quote it all you want, but it has no more authority than Harry Potter.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
      • Charm Quark

        RB
        Quoting the babble to those that reject it is nonsense, how convincing. What about bis&xuals, the any port in a storm people? Lets say jesus was one, what then?

        November 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        Finally you will hardly find a human being which is not under God's wrath including yourself (may God help you to realize this).

        Is there a resort?

        Yes, the Gospel of Jesus Christ: God delivered God, the Son, Jesus, for our sins, and raised him from the dead for our justification (this is Jesus' death on the cross and his resurrection). Belief that and get sacramentallly baptized or remember your infant baptism, and God will forgive you, and release you from all your maladies (of course this is a life-long process, and need our cooperation). Yet, if we belief in Jesus, and if we are baptized, we have died for the sin, and entered Christ. Our daily exercise is to belief that promises of health, and we will overcome the lust of our body.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
        • Brad

          We recognize that we are sinners and what we do is because of what we are. May God see Christ when he looks at us. He is the one who is perfect.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
        • JWT

          And I hope you enjoy it Ranier for it is all yours, It is meaningless babble to those that do not see just as you do . And meaningless to them. They have no reason whatsoever to see as you do,.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          It seems strange that something perfect would experience wrath. I think of red-in-the-face, veins popping out, out of control tantrums when you say wrath. Seems undignified.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
        • tallulah13

          You are no different and no more enlightened than an ancient Greek sacrificing a bull to Zeus in an effort to gain favor. You just worship a different delusion.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          RB
          Well Rainman if I am under your gods wrath, let Him strike me dead for calling him a ruthless ass-hole. No come to think of it let him strike you dead, I am still enjoying myself while you would love to get into His eternal bliss right soon. Say, hiya'll for me, bye now.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
        • Brad

          We are not different from anyone. We are not more enlightened. We only hope that there is something perfect and that it reaches out to us. We respond to it and believe in it. We find that it's true.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Brad
          because you want or need to, not because it is real. Can you not face the reality of death without the crutch, man up.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
        • A traveler

          You sadly seem to believe this krapp.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
        • Brad

          What I want doesn't have much to do with death. I came to Christ not believing that anything happens after death. The only thing that's been added to that is the hope that I'll see more clearly after I die.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          Brad
          Reread your last comment, it is an oxymoron. Believe what you wish but please do not put your hard earned money into the scam, the hustlers have taken more than enough.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
        • Crom

          @Brad
          Since the bible says nothing about anyone getting answers or seeing anything clearly after death, I guess you made that part up.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          Actually Crom it is in there, you should read it, you would be surprised.

          1 Corinthians 13:12
          For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          What do you make of a Christian who does not believe in hell, Robert?

          November 16, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
        • Crom

          Nope. Sorry, Robert, but those words don't say anything about after death but are a clear declaration that the author admits his cluelessness and ignorance about any of it. Not even Jesus said anything for sure about afterwards, just that he intended to go prepare a "place", not that he was going to set up a school or give explanations for anything.
          Go ahead and look. There's nothing like that at all.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          I think they are wrong Tom. I wonder how they interpret the words of Jesus on the subject.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Did Jesus put much emphasis on hell? I'm drawing a blank on that, I confess.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          Crom, I think Paul is saying we will see and know Jesus clearly in heaven, something we aren't capable of in the flesh.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          Yes Tom, he warned of it on several occasions, here is a small sample from Mark 9,43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

          44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

          45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

          46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          That is the basis for the Christian belief in eternal torment? Why is punishment eternal, Robert? Is it impossible to destroy (ἀπολέσαι) a soul? Or is it simply not justice?

          November 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          The bible does teach that the soul is eternal and there are two destinations. I trust that Gods justice is perfect, because I can certainly vouch for his mercy.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          I suspect you believe that you've avoided God's justice and can count on God's mercy, Robert. Would as many people believe if there were no hell? Do people who do believe in hell, and as a consequence believe in the plan for salvation you believe in, do they believe for a sufficient reason?

          November 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun, not that I knew any of that when I came to The Lord. I know those who gave God serious consideration out of a very real fear of hell. After some experience with God, hell is not the reason for belief, even though the thought of it, started them in the right direction.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
      • Doris

        Maybe you can demonstrate in some way in which we are under God's wrath, Rainy. Just for fun and giggles, give it a shot.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

        "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: "

        Wow, I don't know how anyone could survive that barrage of hatred. What book is that in again? The Bible you say?

        November 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Doris

      "Apparently gayness is an indicator for disbelief. "

      LOL – you grow weirder with each post, Rainman. As I said before, other Christians don't share your belief. This renders your arguments silly at best when viewed from outside Christianity. Current science tells us quite a different story about ho-mo-se-xuality in humans, and that just casts further suspi-cion on the motives behind your particular cult in the mix of over 40,000 sects of insanity. Of course in the U.S. we have secular law that protects people from trying to impose this type of rubbish on one another. I suspect you are finding yourself more and more alone as the rest of Europe on this issue adapts to what virtually all of Western Europe has already done.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • Mark

      I will reiterate because you seem confused:

      Being gay is natural for those born that way, just as being hetero is natural to you.

      Get your ignorant nose out of the Bible and into some books of biology.

      Explain David and Jonathan.

      And stop pimping your website and stealing advertising space from CNN.

      8th Commandment broken.

      Go confess.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      "Apparently gayness is an indicator for disbelief. "

      Gotta be because we all know you'd never find a gay person in the church or a christian bringing a gay baby in to this world...lol.
      Apparently belief is an indicator for gullibility.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Rainer Braendlein,

      There are FAR FAR MORE Christians who are ADULTERERS because of divorce and remarriage

      Skip all the PICK and CHOOSE HYPOCRISY.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      how is your gayness going, rainy?

      November 16, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • MM

      "Apparently gayness is an indicator for disbelief."

      Or, gay people tend not to go to the churches of those who persecute them. If it is an indicator for disbelief, it's because you believers are so far removed from your Christ that to believe what you do would be evil.

      November 16, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
  6. Rob

    So freaking tired of the word sin. It's just a made up word for human behavior these people don't like. Call it what it actually is. Idiots.

    November 16, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
  7. Is your toaster possessed also? Fear not! You are not alone!!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuSfRgh0Vo&w=640&h=390]

    Who ya gonna call?

    Bishop "Pop Rocks" Paprocki, of course!

    November 16, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      Comedy gold, did SNL pick this up?

      November 16, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
      • Doris

        I'll have to be sure to see how Stewart and Colbert cover this story; lol.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          It was uploaded to Youtube four years ago.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
        • Doris

          Ah yes, that's an old video. But I'll have to check and see if Colbert has already covered the article story yet or not – that should be interesting.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Ha! If you should find it be sure to post the link. They're way too funny.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
  8. bostontola

    "Exorcism is experiencing something of a renaissance in the United States, with the Catholic bishops recruiting dozens of priests to perform the ancient rite"

    I doubt this will help with membership drives among American youth. This is like an electronics company betting on an 8 track tape player comeback. This why religion will recede in our society. It will take a long time, brainwashing is effective with children and has proven to be stubborn. The fatal flaw of religion is it's stubbornness. It clings to its certainty of Truth so it can't learn. New interpretations will pop up, gain popularity, but they will only be transitory as religion goes the way of the 8 track, an interesting curiosity.

    November 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Pete

      If they can make it bloody and/or into a video game, boys would want in.

      November 16, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
      • bostontola

        A video game of the Crusades, big seller. Then the Inquisition, another big seller.

        November 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
  9. Joan

    Guess what, extremist Christians of that priest's cult: gay marriage is now a reality. Your stupid religious dogma is getting left behind and will soon be ancient history just like the Greek myths. This crazy exorcism by yet another wingnut priest of yours is just one more desperate, useless move. The world is moving on and leaving you behind in the dust. Bye. Good riddance.

    November 16, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • und

      Tschüs..

      November 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • lol??

      You grew up under the training of greek myths. Better hurry up and change.

      November 16, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
  10. Jill

    Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

    So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

    Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

    Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

    Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

    And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

    November 16, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • lol??

      Nuthin' original Kill Jill??

      November 16, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • RC@Jill

      Wow. I get it all, except for controlling the wood. I have hard (pun intended) time with that....

      November 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
  11. Rainer Braendlein

    In our modern times it is not very wise to speak too much about Satan whereby nobody should doubt his existence. Certainly the pope acts according to Satan's will more than ordinary sinners. All the ethic chatter of the Catholic clergy is pure hypocrisy. All their furtive evil deeds smell to high heaven.

    I guess it would be more wise to ask for the intrinsic abjection of gay marriage. Jesus confirmed the promise of the Old Testament that husband and wife would be "one flesh". The pure love of a man and a woman shall be underlined through the se-xual union: Two human beings in perfect unity, almost grown together. There is no deeper love than between spouses. And according to St. Paul this is a likeness of the spiritual love between Christ and his Church.

    Conclusion: Ordinary marriage is a likeness of infinite great love.

    What for is gay marriage a likeness?

    It is the likeness of total self-satisfaction: Two people satisfy each other at each other. This is the opposite of unselfish love. Unselfish love is the foundation of a healthy society. As soon too many people of a society become selfish, the society will certainly perish.

    Like Christ took care of us we should take care of each other, and especially a husband of his wife. If we lose this spirit of care, we lose all; if we don't have the faith, we have actually nothing at all.

    Hence, gay marriage represents total doom an outrageous disbelief, and we have to struggle to leave that bad state as soon as possible in order to avoid God's education.

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    November 16, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I expect you'd say, Rainer, that God's love for us is more than an allegory for heterosexual "union". Is God heterosexual? Is the only natural "union" for God the one he is looking forward to with his Church?

      November 16, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        There is a spiritual union between Christ and his Church. Maybe we are inclined to underestimate the depth of this relationship. Though this relationship has nothing to do with se-xuality the se-xaul union of husband and wife depicts the depth of the relationship.

        November 16, 2013 at 11:58 am |
        • Jill

          Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently. Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously. And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

          November 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
        • Pete

          Who gets to be "Tab A" and who gets to be "Slot B"? That's some interesting symbolism there, Rainer.

          November 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Doris

      If that's all you see for gay marriage, then I feel sorry for you. If you are married, then I feel sorry for your wife because you have a horrible view of marriage in general if those are the only conclusions you can draw from the possibility of a loving union between two consenting adults. Your hom-ophobia is mind-numbingly apparent any time such subject arises. I think even the Pope may see the writing on the wall – that if Christianity continues to judge hom-ose-xuality/gay marriage from a literary/traditional Biblical standpoint, it will soon fade into obscurity against what modern science tells us on the subject. Where does that leave you quite alone in the world, Rainer? Quite alone, I imagine.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:46 am |
      • Doris

        ( Where does that leave you, Rainer? Quite alone, I imagine. )

        November 16, 2013 at 11:47 am |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        I don't judge gays because I myself am a sinner too. I only refuse the legalization of gayness or gay marriage. Gays should confess there sin, and ask for forgiveness. Christ died also for them like for all other sinners. May all gays become healthy again through the releasing power of Christ's sacrifce. I don't condemn them, I wish them restoration.

        The problem of legalization is that it prevents confession of sin. Why should someone confess something as a sin which is regarded as legal by society and state? Hence, the really evil people are not the gays themselves but the people which want to legalize gayness and gay marriage. I despise those fools.

        November 16, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          What other sins should we have laws against – to remind us of our need to confess and repent?

          November 16, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
        • Doris

          Your point is in disagreement with other Christians on the subject of which things are sins, I've noticed, Rainer. I assume that you consider the basis for what you define as sin as coming from absolute "truths" – moral "truths" directly from your God. Can you demonstrate any such "truth" without resorting to subjective means or human consensus? Could you even attempt that on behalf of maybe someone else, perhaps, who has received such "truth" if that's easier? (But still of course, without resorting to subjective means or human consensus...)

          November 16, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          RB
          "Why should someone confess something as sin which is regarded as legal by society and state?" Rainer, you do realize that there are people, atheists, deists, agnostics and religious sects/cults that do not share your limited beliefs? Why would someone have to confess to a dubious deity that they do not believe in? The state makes the law that is followed by all citizens irregardless of their religious belief or lack thereof. Quit being such a judgemental dork, you come across as some sort of dictator, your hero Bonhoeffer would not be impressed, you sounding like a Nazi and all.

          November 16, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
        • JWT

          You do an excellent job Ranier of depicting why there i sand needs to be a wide separation of state and religion/.

          November 16, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
        • Pete

          Rainer
          Like it or not, social changes are making churches gay-friendly, and the day will come when even "conservative" Christians will deny that they ever had a part in h0m0ph0bia, like they now do with slavery and witch burning.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
        • Mark

          What is natural is not a sin. Just as you were born hetero, gays were born gay, Rainman.
          You need to get your face out if the Bible and into some science books.

          November 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      RB
      The more I hear about the modern day jesus the more he has changed from a nice jewish boy with a rather dark skin to a blond, blue eyed, aryan lad that preferred hanging around with his buddies rather than consort with females, can you square that circle Rainer?

      November 16, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Roger that

      The Bible Belt has the highest divorce rate and the Baptists lead the way. You were saying...

      November 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
      • lol??

        Under the Beastie version of marriage?? So you prefer corruption, anything else new and improved??

        November 16, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      Satan is the demon of the demented and said Catholic archbishop obviously is demented as are all who believe in this inanity !

      November 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Mark

      So don't get gay married, Rainman.

      It is NUNYA what other people do.
      Your interpretation of the Bible is just that: YOUR interpretation.

      Your rhetoric is your own, and has nothing to do with the marriage laws in our SECULAR US.

      Thank God.

      November 16, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Observer

      Rainer Braendlein,

      Skip all the HYPOCRISY. There is VIRTUALLY ZERO chance that you believe and support EVERYTHING in the Bible.

      What did Jesus say about gays? ZIP. ZERO. ZILCH.

      Read a Bible and see you likely don't agree with it's views on marriage. Get real.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
      • lol??

        You think the not-a-jew gay jews were flaunting it when Jesus was in the flesh?? Not too bright are you?? Why would anyone else bring it up?? Jesus was quoted as having spoken through the scriptures thereby being the author. Did He need to repeat himself?? He did, through Paul and John. Keep searching and stop spreading misinformation.

        November 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Poor Rainer. The world is changing and advancing, and your little life-raft of religion is sinking.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
      • lol??

        So you prefer fire?? What a way to go!!

        November 16, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  12. lol??

    The proof is in the pudding. Now is puddin' tyme at the beginning of a meal or the end??

    November 16, 2013 at 11:16 am |
  13. Doris

    (Getting espresso and waiting for Rainer Braendlein to show up and tell us precisely how U.S. bishops will not know the proper ritual for exorcism.)

    November 16, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Apple Bush

      Good times.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • Charm Quark

      mama Doris
      You have conjured up the Rainman, as much as I am impressed by your powers, I am frightened by your intentions. Levity from the Rainman is illusive, he should stick to counting cards.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:29 am |
      • Doris

        LOL – I see your point.

        November 16, 2013 at 11:34 am |
  14. Tea Party Patriot

    A growing number of us are convinced that Sarah Palin is the only one who can heal and re-unify our country. But first she must return to her motorhome and resume her cross country tour. She will have to visit cities both large and small, being careful to speak only to real Americans, dispensing her sage advice and folksy, homespun common sense solutions. We can be a great nation again if we all follow the "Palin Path".

    November 16, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Doris

      Yes – you might be right – and they should cover her travels on the Bravo channel and put it right between "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" and "The Real Housewives of Atlanta".

      November 16, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Pete

      Sure, Palin could reunite the country. People of all stripes all agree that she's a dimwit.

      November 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • tallulah13

      A growing number of us recognize that you are a troll who sporadically posts this same comment on this blog, no matter the subject matter.

      November 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
  15. Apple Bush

    If I enjoyed sex with men I would totally be gay. Hell I wish I was gay!

    November 16, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Apple Bush

      I mean if being gay were actually a choice, I would choose being gay. I am just sayin'.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:58 am |
      • Apple Bush

        Not that I wouldn't still want my children or anything. I couldn't live without them so if I could just have my kids, then choose to be gay that would be awesome, assuming I enjoyed sex with men when I choose and all that

        November 16, 2013 at 11:00 am |
        • Apple Bush

          Also the dude would have to be the bitch but also be, you know, a regular dude that likes football stuff. So then that would make being gay super terrific! With my kids. Not sure where to put the wife.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:03 am |
        • Charm Quark

          AB
          It seems rather strange that all men do not wish that their fellows were gay, leaving all the women begging for their services.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:14 am |
        • Apple Bush

          CQ it would be a perfect world. There would be so many advantages. I am getting all gay just thinking about it. Gay like happy gay, you know.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:17 am |
        • Charm Quark

          AB
          No I don't, happy gay, neither do you.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • lol??

      It alwayz gets worse in the progression of time,

      Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • lol??

      Your wish would most likely come true if you could live to be 900.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • Apple Bush

      That is IF I were gay of course which I'm not. I dig chicks dude. Well, toodles.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:04 am |
  16. Praisethelard

    I believe that in 1860, Thomas Henry Huxley said: "I'd rather have an ape for an ancestor than a bishop."

    November 16, 2013 at 10:53 am |
  17. Apple Bush

    the water dripping behind me was like a single ice cycle dripping faster than it should demonstrating that gravity changes when you are not looking that is why it is smart to buy slip on sneakers and save the best breast meat for sandwiches later

    November 16, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • Apple Bush

      eyes hurt for never stopping not to see the truth in a bowl filled with many ingredients it is hard to separate the arugula for the mesclun so ask early of you are going to be late for the shoe styles they are quite interesting and fun to eat if you haven’t had the crab

      November 16, 2013 at 10:54 am |
      • Charm Quark

        AB
        Patrick White won a Nobel Prize for Eye of the Storm for leaving out the punctuation as much as the enthralling story. However after a few chapters I got a migraine, just an observation.

        November 16, 2013 at 11:06 am |
        • Apple Bush

          You and me both CQ what can I do it just keeps spewing out

          November 16, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  18. lol??

    Famous bright ideas:

    Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

    November 16, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Mark

      Other famous firsts: Jonathan and David, the first gay couple of the Bible.

      November 16, 2013 at 11:42 am |
      • lol??

        For those with a corrupted vain imagination.

        November 16, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
  19. Apple Bush

    paper boat floating bobbing drifting sinking hiding

    November 16, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Charm Quark

      AB
      How is the "Hidel" progressing? Too much free verse and you will lose many of the old bible readers/thumpers but the apologists will love it, a thousand ways to interpret a writing is their MO.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:34 am |
      • Apple Bush

        The progress is excellent. So far I have changed the name. Now it is called "The Final Shove".

        November 16, 2013 at 10:43 am |
        • Charm Quark

          AB
          Often the t!tle can be the most difficult, being both attractive and yet not pompous. Best to reach a consensus among your editors and proof readers. Alas at the moment I can think of nothing better than what you propose. The world According to Topher, would be a puzzle for those that do not visit this blog.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:57 am |
        • Apple Bush

          You are correct of course, but it would be nice if I could work Topher in there somehow...

          November 16, 2013 at 11:11 am |
  20. Neo Atheist

    Wow, and I thought we lived in the 21st century where people didn't believe in....oh wait... some people are still stuck in the tenth century clinging to their bible and casting out witches and decrying science and reason as work of the devil.

    November 16, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • lol??

      Perchance you counted wrong or believe in progress of the race??

      November 16, 2013 at 10:14 am |
      • Mark

        Perchance are you a misanthropist?

        November 16, 2013 at 11:53 am |
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