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November 25th, 2013
12:47 PM ET

Eight ways to celebrate Thanksgivukkah

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - Break out the menurkeys and sweet potato latkes, people, it's time to celebrate Thanksgivukkah, a once-in-a-lifetime holiday.

A calendrical quirk brings the first day of Hanukkah and Thanksgiving together this Thursday for the first time since 1888. Scientists say the confluence won't occur again for another 70,000 years, give or take a millennium.

Dana Gitell, a 37-year-old marketing manager for a Jewish nonprofit in Massachusetts, is the mind behind the mashup "Thanksgivukkah."

(If you think that's a mouthful, her other ideas were "Thanksgiving-ukkah" and "Hanukkahgiving," both of which caused our spellchecker to sputter and die.)

But with the right portmanteau in place, the Thanksgivukkah idea caught fire faster than a deep-fried turkey.

Gitell is gathering an online album of Thanksgivukkah celebrations, and says she's received submissions from places like South Dakota and Anchorage, Alaska - outposts not typically known for having vibrant Jewish communities.

Even rabbis from ultra-Orthodox sects like Chabad have jumped on board the Thanksgivukkah bandwagon.

"At first I didn't know how rabbis would respond to something as irreverent as a mashup," Gittel says, "but they almost uniformly embraced it. It's completely kosher."

We don't know if the rabbis approve of everything on our list, because people are sorta going nuts. Must be that once-in-an-eon thing. But without further ado (and with a nod toward Adam Sandler's "Eight Crazy Nights"), here are eight ways to celebrate Thanksgivukkah.

1. Light a menurkey

Leave it to a fourth-grader to create the ultimate Thanksgivukkah icon.

Asher Weintraub came up with the idea during a family trip to Florida last year. The little genius from New York City thought it'd be really cool to have a menorah, the nine-branched candelabrum used to mark Hanukkah, in the shape of a turkey.

Weintraub created a Kickstarter account, raised $50,000, made a 3-D prototype and heroically fended off his father's attempt to rename the thing a "menorkey." Nice job, kiddo.

The father in question, Anthony Weintraub, says he's sold between 6,000 and 7,000 menurkeys, including a few to famous finance experts and owners of National Football League teams.

"I'm beginning to think my life as a menorah salesman isn't over," says Anthony Weintraub.

2. Make a nice Turbrisket 

Let's face it, Thanksgiving was getting pretty gonzo even before meeting Hanukkah. I mean, turducken? But Thanksgivukkah has taken meal mashups to a new level.

You've got your Turbrisket (turkey filled with brisket), your deep-fried turkey, your sweet potato latkes, your cranberry-stuffed knishes, your pumpkin kugel, your pecan pie rugelach - I could go on, but I'll get fat just by typing the rest of the list.

Marlene Eldemire of Cincinnati says her family wanted to make the huge mashup menu Buzzfeed posted earlier this month.

"I told them they can go ahead and make it," Eldemire says with a laugh. "There's no way."

So her family is settling for a few Hanukkah standbys like brisket that'll sit next to the turkey and sweet potatoes this Thursday.

3. Deck the halls for the Challahday

This is another spot where people are getting really creative, says Kali Brodsky, editor of JewishBoston.com.

They're making pumpkin menorahs, Thanksgivukkah coloring books for kids, and table settings that mix and match Hanukkah and Thanksgiving themes.

Rabbi Rachel Silverman of Boston says she's decorating her table with Thanksgiving symbols (a cornucopia, pumpkins, harvest bouquet) and Hanukkah items (a menorah, gold-colored coins called "gelt").

If you're feeling lazy, Brodsky says, you can just print out the Thanksgivukkah place cards JewishBoston has created and set a place for Bubbe.

4. Watch a really big dreidel spin down the streets of New York 

To honor the confluence of Thanksgiving and Hanukkah, Macy's has created a 25-foot-tall, 21-foot-wide dreidel for its iconic parade.

The "balloonicle" (part balloon, part vehicle) will spin just like a real dreidel, and it's the first time the parade has included a Jewish symbol, according to Macy's.

"Inclusion of the dreidel balloonicle is indicative of both a nod to the rare occasion in which Hanukkah's first day falls on Thanksgiving and of the dreidel's inherent entertainment value," says Macy's spokesman Orlando Veras.

5. Party like it's 165 BC (and 1621 CE) 

Hanukkah, for those who need a refresher course, marks the miracle of the successful defense of the Jewish temple by the Maccabees, an army of Jewish rebels, against the Goliath-like Syrian-Greek army in 165 BC.

One day's supply of oil somehow lit the temple's menorah for eight days, and the rest is history.

The Jewish event and the Pilgrims' arrival in America are both celebrations of religious freedom, says Sherry Kuiper.

At Kuiper's synagogue, Temple Israel in Columbus, Georgia, the kids led a service in which they dressed up like the Maccabees and Pilgrims, traveled in a make-believe time machine, and celebrated Thanksgivukkah together.

The parallel isn't perfect, Kuiper acknowledges. After all, the Native Americans certainly don't celebrate Thanksgiving as the birth of their religious freedom.

But Thanksgivukkah offers a reminder that the more things change, the more some things - like the human need to express gratitude - stay the same, Kuiper said.

6. Kvetch about Thanksgivukkah 

Okay, this one isn't exactly about celebrating.

But it must be acknowledged, some folks just aren't into the Thanksgivukkah spirit.

Thanksgiving was one of the few holidays on which interfaith families didn't have to explain to the kids "why mom believes this and dad believes that," argues Allison Benedikt in a recent Slate column.

"I cannot tell you what a relief it is to have this one major holiday—the best one!—that isn’t in some part about what I am and my husband is not (Jewish), or what he is and I’m not (Christmas-celebrating)," Benedikt says.

(And for just the record, sweet and sour braised brisket with cranberry sauce is an abomination, she says.)

Jennie Rivlin Roberts, whose Judaica store, Modern Tribe, is selling Thanksgivukkah gear like hotcakes, says she understands some of the kvetching.

But a mashup of Thanksgiving and Hanukkah is so much better than the usual "December dilemma," the overlap of the eight-day Jewish holiday and the cultural behemoth know as Christmas, Roberts says.

"With Thanksgivukkah, you're not really mixing two religions, so you can really go for it. People may say it's silly, and yeah, some of it is, but it's also full of fun and joy."

7. Watch a rap battle between a turkey and a dreidel

Julie Benko was stuck on the subway in New York City for two hours, and she was bored. So, she did what any sane person would do - she wrote a song about Thanksgivukkah.

OK, Benko is not your average straphanger. She's something of a Broadway belle, having just returned from playing Cosette on a national tour of "Les Miserables." But that doesn't mean it's any easier to find a rhyme for "Thanksgivukkah."

Still, Benko's klezmer-inspired tune has lots of YouTube competition.

There's the rap battle between a turkey and a dreidel sponsored by Manischewitz. (Yes, they rock it old shul.)

There's the slickly produced "Oils: A Thanksgivukkah Miracle."

And there's this cute little number from the the Kehillah Schechter Academy in Norwood, Massachusetts, called "The Ballad of Thanksgivukkah."

8. Watch a scary movie about stereotypes

After all the candle-lighting and the decorating and eating and the kvetching and the singing, let's face it, you're probably going to be pretty tired.

So why not plop down on the couch to watch the trailer for a Thanksgivukkah-themed horror movie?

"Thanksgivukkah: The Movie" is about a nice gentile family who find their Thanksgiving celebration invaded by a family of ultra-Orthodox Jews. Jokes about religious stereotypes ensue.

We don't know if the trailer, which is made by Jewish filmmakers, is completely kosher, but we guess there's enough time for the rabbis to sort it out in time for the next Thanksgivukkah.

So, that's it. We"ll see you next Thanksgivukkah, in 70,000 years or so.  In the meantime, Gobble tov, my friends.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Food • Judaism • Kosher • Traditions • Trends

soundoff (527 Responses)
  1. Bob

    How many Jews were at the original Thanksgiving?

    November 25, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Jackalope

      How many Indians celebrate Hanukkah?

      November 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
      • Bob

        Native Americans are actually one of the lost tribes of Israel.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Bob

          Well, just the Obijwe, actually.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • Akira

          So they celebrate Hanukkah?

          November 25, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
        • Bob

          Observe, not celebrate, yes.

          November 25, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
        • Akira

          So nobody celebrates Hanukah?

          November 25, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
        • lol??

          A Foxy little thing in a Wisconsin bar told me this, ".................Around the turn of the 1st century, the "Great Drought" took place. The lands which the ancestors of the Meskwaki inhabited did not receive enough rain to sustain their population, and the group lost about 98% of its members.............." You can also find it in foxypedia.

          November 25, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
        • lol??

          God can track all the stars but not a tribe??

          November 25, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
        • lol??

          The Indian tribes are better trackers than that.

          November 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
        • Akira

          Bob? You still there?

          November 25, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
        • mindstorms1

          Read the Book of Mormon much?

          November 27, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Let's consult the Book of Mormon to find out shall we?

      November 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
      • Bob

        Mormons are not true Scotsman.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
        • lol??

          A beer with the prez?? Nah, make it 75 year old Scotch.

          November 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
        • @lol??

          Are you that stupid not to know he wasn't elected?

          November 25, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
  2. Angela

    I have a theory that the Chinese caused the Big Bang to happen because they were always messing around with fireworks and stuff.

    November 25, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Angela, the amateur really super bad comedian blog is over at fox.com.

      November 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
      • Alias

        AB
        I've read some of your 'poems'.
        Give her a break.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
        • ahem

          Yes and yes.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          I resemble that remark!

          November 25, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Ben

      No, no! The Fantastic Four found out that Galactus caused the Big Bang after destroying his own universe. It's in print, so it just has to be true. 😉

      November 25, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
      • bostontola

        I just saw the movie Thor, the big bang was a mistake and wasn't ever supposed to happen according to the Aether.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
        • Ben

          Are you saying that the Marvel universe isn't consistent?

          I've just lost all faith in Stan Lee!

          November 25, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
    • Angela

      There was heat left over from the Big Bang, just like there is left over from a chemical explosion.
      Who put the explosives there?

      November 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
      • bostontola

        Angela,
        That is a common misunderstanding. The big bang was not an explosion, there would have to be space to explode into. The big band was the creation of space and time which then expanded.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • Alias

          Is that your own idea, or could you please site a source?

          November 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
        • bostontola

          If it were my idea, I'd be a Nobel Prize winner. From the Wikipedia page on the big bang (but it is the same in any of hundreds of textbooks):

          According to the Big Bang model, the Universe expanded from an extremely dense and hot state and continues to expand today. A common analogy explains that space itself is expanding, carrying galaxies with it, like spots on an inflating balloon. The graphic scheme above is an artist's concept illustrating the expansion of a portion of a flat universe.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
      • Alias

        Doidn't you just say the chinese did that?

        November 25, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
        • Angela

          Yes! That's my point! Now you are understanding!

          November 25, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • Ben

        Sometimes things just blow up naturally, Angela. Volcanos and grain silos, for example. The natural laws of the universe provide all that was necessary for the expansion of the universe.

        November 25, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
  3. Apple Bush

    Thanksgiving is only good for one thing. Leftovers. Specifically, a French roll with mayo, white meat turkey (seasoned with salt and pepper) lettuce and cranberry sauce. That is the stuff.

    November 25, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • Alias

      As a self appointed represnetative of fat people on this blog, I must protest your lack of respect for leftover desserts.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        I can certainly go for washing down my sammich with some pumpkin pie!

        November 25, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
        • Alias

          And if you are going to go to the trouble of making one carmel white chocolate cheesecake, you may as well make two.
          Excuse me if I drool a little.
          Just remember to be thankful. and share.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        If I could, I would share our Pumpkin Pie Cake with you!

        November 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
    • bostontola

      AB,
      I consider Thanksgiving to be good for a lot more than leftovers (which I get most days). To take a day out to appreciate what we have with family and friends does me a lot of good.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        I disagree. I am thankful for family and friends every day. We shouldn't reserve one day for it, that is lame. Plus it is revisionist, that is not what thanksgiving is really about. I can think of a lot of folks living in squalor on reservations that do not celebrate. Nope, it is all about the leftovers for me.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
        • bostontola

          Nope, I never said you only set aside 1 day, I said it's good to take 1 day and take appreciation. I like many others, get distracted with life's daily grind, there are other day I can take some time, but not like thanksgiving. What's wrong with "revision", are you orthodox?

          November 25, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          No I am not orthodox in the least which is my point. The orthodox view IS revisionist.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
        • bostontola

          We'll have to agree to disagree then. Orthodox don't revise, they know the truth and it won't change. Revisionists change meaning to suit the understanding of the day (sometimes wrong).

          November 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          Well perhaps I am not being clear. My post on the next page is where I am coming from.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • HolyMayhem

      Thanksgiving was originally celebrated by Horus and Mythra complete with turkey and even Stove Top Stuffing instead potatoes. Christians stole it and have been using it to cause all the wars and slavery today.

      November 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
  4. Angela

    Just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean it does not exist.
    Can something exist without being tangible?
    Certainly.
    There are lots of abstract nouns.
    Abstract nouns are things that exist without any physical evidence.
    Things such as bravery, love, and any number of words with a -ness or -tion ending on them.
    If these things do not need physical evidence to exist, then why must God?

    http://chompchomp.com/terms/abstractnoun.htm

    November 25, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Jackalope

      Your first sentence makes zero sense.
      I quit reading then.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
      • Angela

        It makes perfect sense.
        Open your mind.

        November 25, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
        • Jackalope

          Just because something doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it does not exist.

          If it doesn't exist, it does not exist.

          My mind IS open.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
        • Alias

          No. Your started with a contradiction that only proves you don't know how contractions are made/used.
          The rest of your post is a bad argument that twists context, and fails logically.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
      • Doris

        Don't cha know, Jack – you're supposed to open your mind, pour out your brains, then it makes sense.

        November 25, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • bostontola

      Things such as bravery, love, and any number of words with a -ness or -tion ending on them exist because we created/defined them. We also created the concept of god, long before there was any Abrahamic God. That concept exists, no question about it. That is different than saying any god exists outside the minds of humans. No one can prove it either way in the most abstract sense, but there is a lot of evidence that the Abrahamic god does not exist unless you take the most loose definition of the reality of the bible. The bible is wrong unless you want to regard it as stories. But in that case, the entire set of religions that come from it are baseless.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
      • Angela

        Instead of an Abrahamic god, what about a Theodoric god?

        November 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
        • bostontola

          Also true.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Alias

      While it is not possible to prove something does not exist, it is possible to show that many of the things in the bible did not happen. Once you realize that parts of the bible are not true, it only makes sense to wonder how much of it is wrong.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
      • Ben

        Can a four-sided triangle exist? Can there be a place north of the North Pole? There are some things that are simply impossible because of how they are defined, and the problem of evil makes standard definitions of the God of the Bible impossible.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Angela dear, you are not making the slightest bit of sense. My guess is you heard this nonsense somewhere and you are just repeating it here.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
      • Angela

        I'm making perfect sense to me. You just don't understand.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          I don't understand. LOL.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • bostontola

          Angela, did you understand my response? I'd like to know if that satisfies your question.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
        • Apple Bush

          What Thanksgiving means to me by Apple Bush:

          In rewriting its own history about Thanksgiving, white America tells a Disney-like fairytale about the English pilgrims and their struggle to survive in a new and harsh environment. The pilgrims found help from the friendly Native-American tribe, the Wampanoag Indians, in 1621.

          Unfortunately for Native Americans, the thankfulness of European settlers was short-lived.

          By 1637, Massachusetts governor John Winthrop ordered the massacre of thousands of Pequot Indian men, women and children. This event marked the start of a Native-American genocide that would take slightly more than 200 years to complete, and of course to achieve its ultimate goal, which was to take the land from Native Americans and systematically plunder their resources.

          The genocide begun in 1637 marks the beginning of the conquest of the entire continent until most Native Americans were exterminated, a few were assimilated into white society, and the rest were put in reservations to dwindle and die.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
        • bostontola

          AB,
          I agree we should teach the historical truth as best we know it. I am also not a fan of marally judging historical figures and events by today's standards.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  5. Alias

    Wow. Of all the jokes to make about black friday sales and officiallly mixing a Jewish holiday with thanksgiving.........
    As this is a public forum, I'll refrain.

    However, this is still a holiday where we all give thanks for wht we have one day before trampling each other to buy stuff we want on sale.

    November 25, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • Maddy

      As most of the big box stores are open on TG now, you can trample people that much earlier! Yay!

      November 25, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Russell

      I agree.
      It just seems unfair that the article can use stereotypes, but we would get deleted or banned for making jokes.

      As a test, you go first.

      November 25, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
  6. Lionly Lamb

    I'm grateful to be alive which is more than what can be said for the homeless and destitute and hungry that many societies and governments turn a blind eye upon... Seasonal praises and annual thanksgiving does little to curb social and nationalized illnesses... Legalize hemp farming and tax and regulate recreational marijuana use and give to the neediest their medicinal cannabis…

    November 25, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • igaftr

      Why do you think the dest!tute and homeless are not thankful to be alive?

      November 25, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
      • Lionly Lamb

        Read my views wholly and then try to summarize its' overall view instead of narrowing one's psychic perception...

        November 25, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
        • Alias

          That is probably the most hypocritical thing i have ever read.
          Thanks for the laugh.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
      • Lionly Lamb

        Sired igaftr...

        I said "grateful" not thankful...

        November 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • Maddy

      Why do you think pot will cure poverty?

      November 25, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
      • ME II

        +1

        November 25, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
      • Lionly Lamb

        Sired Maddy...

        Where ever did I write stating pot would solve poverty..?

        November 25, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • Lee

          You imply it with all your hippy-love declarations and nonsense how the government opposing the legality of a plant relates to the necessity of medical supplies by the very poorest, like the pharmaceutical won't take advantage of pot and drive the price and availability.

          Try living in the real world.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
        • Maddy

          Your use of [...] to connect the two sentences.
          Don't pawn your lack of writing clearly off in me. You are the one who wrote that paragraph, not I.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
        • Lionly Lamb

          Sire Lee...

          I read and did reread and still I am left astoundingly dumbfounded... Bravo...

          November 25, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
        • Maddy

          *ON me.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
        • Jackalope

          Cut down on your pit use and maybe you won't be so dumbfounded.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
        • Lionly Lamb

          Master Maddy...

          How I write should not be of much concern... What's of better import is how others perceive my writings thru their sometimes rants and spasms of self indulging rituals meandering about as youngster inflaming sarcasms...

          November 25, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
        • Lionly Lamb

          "Pit" pat pot Jackalope...

          Dummies these days... Helping out the 'cause' I see..? Here's my 2-cents and not a quarter ounce more... I'm grateful to be alive which is more than what can be said regarding the homeless and destitute and hungry that many societies and governments turn a blind eye upon... Seasonal praises and annual thanksgiving does little to curb social and nationalized illnesses... Legalize hemp farming and tax and regulate recreational marijuana use and give freely to the neediest their medicinal cannabis…

          Practice is rudimentary science... If at first and lest one forgets there are those who will ever least remember...

          November 25, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
      • Alias

        Pot will not cure poverty, but it will make you care a lot less.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
  7. Vic

    Geez, pun intended here! I got the idea from the article "8. Watch a scary movie about stereotypes." OK, bad joke, my bad, leave the pumpkins for pies.

    November 25, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Vic

      Oops..wrong place, sorry about that. I am all over the place today.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
  8. Robert Brown

    http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/descent.html

    There are two currently popular theories of human evolution 1) a single recent appearance of modern humans and 2) the multiregional model, which states that modern humans evolved simultaneously on different continents. Molecular biology destroys the multiregional model (12-22, 29-37). In addition, even the fossil evidence does not support the multiregional model (38). Instead, all the data supports the biblical view that humanity arose in one geographical locale. Modern molecular biology tells us that modern humans arose less than 100,000 years ago (confirmed by three independent techniques), and most likely, less than 50,000 years ago (12-22). This data ties in quite well with the fossil record. Sophisticated works of art first appear in the fossil record about 40,000-50,000 years ago (39) and evidence of religious expression appears only 25,000-50,000 years ago (40, 41). Other indications of rapid changes during the Middle-Upper Paleolithic transition (35,000 to 45,000 years ago) in Europe include (42):
    •A shift in stone tool technology from predominantly "Rake" technologies to "blade" technologies, achieved by means of more economic techniques of core preparation.
    •A simultaneous increase in the variety and complexity of stone tools involving more standardization of shape and a higher degree of "imposed form" in the various stages of production.
    •The appearance of relatively complex and extensively shaped bone, antler, and ivory artifacts.
    •An increase in the rate of technological change accompanied by increased regional diversification of tool, forms.
    •The appearance of beads, pendants, and other personal ornaments made from teeth, shell, bone, stone, and ivory blanks.
    •The appearance of sophisticated and highly complex forms of representational or "naturalistic" art.
    •Associated changes in the socioeconomic organization of human groups, marked by◦a more specialized pattern of animal exploitation, based on systematic hunting
    ◦a sharp increase in the overall density of human population
    ◦an increase in the maximum size of local residential groups
    ◦the appearance of more highly "structured" sites, including more evidence for hearths, pits, huts, tents, and other habitations.

    Simultaneous, rapid changes in human abilities suggest replacement of previously existing hominids with modern humans. The fact that all these events happened ~50,000 years ago precludes any possibility that previously existing hominids could be our ancestors, since Hom.o erectus died out 300,000 years ago, and Hom.o neanderthalensis has been proven to be too genetically different from us to have been our ancestor (29, 30). Where does this leave the evolutionists and their descent of man theory? Well, they can always fall back on their favorite line – "the fossil record is just incomplete." Alternatively, check out Genesis 1:26 (43).

    November 25, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Science Works

      No thanks Robert the last stand for creationist is Texas.and the big debate is when the earth cooled robert.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Nothing that you posted makes the bible more or less likely to be true, and none of what you stated shows anything wrong with the theory of evolution. The bible provides no information that leads to further or more accurate scientific discovery. It surprised me, Robert, that you believe such posts as this to do your cause any good. I thought you were more knowledgeable than this.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        I thought the author did a good job of making the case for a single recent appearence of modern humans.

        November 25, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Yes. Again, my response to your post stands.

          November 25, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • **

      Yeah, God did it is a much saner explanation rather than "we're still learning."

      At least you seem somewhat willing to believe that the earth is older than 6000 years old.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        There does seem to be quite a bit of evidence that the earth is a little older than 6k.

        November 25, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • ME II

      @Robert Brown,
      What you may be missing is the fact that both the mutliregional and the replacement model both still depend on evolution. The only difference being where the evolution occurred, i.e. multiple times across the world or first in Africa, respectively.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        I understood the where part, but did you pick up on the timing also. 50k is a lot less than 400k. Science may be moving toward the bible on timing.

        November 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          "moving towards?" on this one issue out of thousands?

          Robert, you seem confused on how far off the bible is from scientific fact.

          November 25, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
        • ME II

          @Robert Brown,
          "I understood the where part, but did you pick up on the timing also. 50k is a lot less than 400k. Science may be moving toward the bible on timing."

          Man's ancestors date back millions of years. It seems of minor consequence, at least to the discussion at hand, whether it occurred in Africa or elsewhere.

          November 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          MEII,

          Are you aware of any other highly evolved animals that are religious?

          November 25, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          One step at a time Capt.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
        • ME II

          @Robert Brown,
          "Are you aware of any other highly evolved animals that are religious?"

          All animals are equally "evolved", however, I am not aware of any other animals that have religion(s). Why do you ask?

          November 25, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
        • bostontola

          Robert,
          The scientific evidence holds that the human LCA is much older than 50,000 years. Why would you accept what this person says without independently verifying it? If this person is wrong, the entire argument falls apart.

          Even if it was 50,000 years (which evidence says it is not), that would not be a scintilla of evidence for genesis any more than it is evidence for the Hopi creation myth.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Vic

      I have read many impressive scientific discussions on that website by Rich Deem before; however, I don't agree with his view on the "Days Of Creation."

      November 25, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
      • Science Works

        And it is folks and organizations like the ICR , Discovery Inst-itute and the RCC that puts our future in ...

        Evolution should not be up for debate !!

        Bill Nye: Debate Over Evolution In Texas Schools Is Jeopardizing Our Future

        Posted: 11/23/2013 5:01 pm EST | Updated: 11/23/2013 7:28 pm EST

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/23/evolution-in-texas-schools_n_4330218.html

        November 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        Iv'e read something on there before, but this article was the first in a long while. Don't know what they say about the days of creation, had lots of thoughts on the subject, but I'll stick with six literal days.

        November 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
        • Vic

          I believe they were literal 24 hour days as well.

          Rich Deem argues that the length of each Day of Creation in the Bible is open for interpretation, varies from the others and can extend for a long period of time.

          http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis1.html

          November 25, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • Science Works

          Vic

          The YEC gang wow Vic.

          November 25, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • bostontola

      Robert,
      The fallacy in presenting this case is simple. There is an enormous amount of evidence for evolution. This person has cherry picked elements to "prove" evolution must be false. Therefore Genesis is credible. The problem is, there is a lot more evidence that the LCA is much older than 50,000 years ago. This person uses an extremely weak standard of "proof" for his argument that evolution is false, even though there is no proof (or even evidence ) offered for his assertion that Genesis is true. His argument also suffers from the classics, Argumentum ad ignorantium, and the classic false dichotomy, if your idea is wrong, mine must be right, when there are an almost unlimited number of other alternatives. I could go on, but that should do it.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        Bostontola,
        I don’t think he was trying to prove all evolution false. I think he was poking holes in the current thinking on the descent of man by showing humans came from one area, recently.

        November 25, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
        • bostontola

          "The fact that all these events happened ~50,000 years ago precludes any possibility that previously existing hominids could be our ancestors,"

          Sounds pretty definitive to me. Of course the 50,000 year thing is not a fact. That should be a red flag for you.

          November 25, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
  9. Kate

    THE ILLUMINATION OF CONSCIENCE predicted by Virgin Mary in Garabandal in 1961 will take place soon to save the world. WHY IS THE WARNING TAKING PLACE?

    To prove to all that God exists.
    To bring everyone back to Jesus and the way of the truth.
    To dilute the impact of sin and evil in the world through conversion.
    To help save us before the final day of judgement by giving us a chance to ask for forgiveness for the sins we have committed.
    To convert non-believers who would have no chance of redemption without this great act of mercy.
    To strengthen the faith of believers.

    WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE WARNING

    Every one over the age of 7 will experience a private mystical encounter with Jesus Christ which will last anything up to 15 minutes
    It is a gift from God the Father to convert people back to the truth. It is how the Final Day of Judgement will unfold only this time you will not be condemned. Instead you will be given a chance to ask for forgiveness.
    Two comets will collide in the sky.
    People will believe it to be catastrophic worse than an earthquake But it is not – it is a sign that Jesus has come.
    The sky will turn red it will look like a fire & then you will see a large cross in the sky to prepare you first.
    Atheists will say it was a global illusion. Scientists will look for a logical explanation but there won’t be one.
    It will be spectacular and will not hurt us because it comes as an act of Love and Mercy from Jesus.
    Our sins will be shown to us and this will make us feel tremendous sorrow and shame when they are revealed to us. Others will be so sickened and shocked by the way in which their sins will be revealed that they will drop dead before they have a chance to ask for forgiveness.

    Everyone will see the state of their soul before God – the good they have done in their lives, the grief they have inflicted on others and all that which they failed to do.
    Many people will fall down and cry tears of relief. Tears of joy and happiness. Tears of wonder and love.
    For, at last, it will be possible to live a new life thereafter when we know the full truth.
    Jesus is now asking everyone to pray for those souls who will die of shock who may be in mortal sin. Everyone needs to prepare now. Jesus asks that all ask for the forgiveness of their sins in advance of The Warning.

    More info and Prophecies for all of us – http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com

    November 25, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Finally, the long-awaited proof. It's about time. When and where will these signs and wonders occur? Everywhere? At the same time?

      November 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
      • Alias

        When all this comes to pass, I'll save you a seat at church.
        Now, if we only knew which one .......

        November 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      If such a thing were to happen – atheists wouldn't be atheists – it's pretty simple – there's no evidence, no reason to believe. An all powerful being who wanted you to believe could easily give proof.

      So – when is this to happen? And when your date passes, and nothing happens, will you be considering the possibility that you're wrong? Or will you buy into the next date, and the next and the next that they give you?

      I can change my beliefs with facts – can you?

      November 25, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • mzh

      I do not wish to witness that day...

      O Allah our Lord, have mercy on us, amine...

      November 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
  10. bostontola

    "A calendrical quirk"

    I know this is a light article, but it does illuminate an interesting fact about many religions, they refuse to change even when new information is available. The Jewish holidays float quite a bit relative to our calendar (Gregorian). The Jewish calendar is a solar/lunar calendar, months determined by the moon, years by the sun. Many corrections must be applied to the Jewish calendar to keep it in sync with reality. It is quaint, but it also tells of the stubbornness of dogma. Some would probably take issue with my use of the term "corrections" above, as though either calendar approach is as good as the other. Those same people would have probably argued that a geo-centric model with epi-cycles was as good as a helio-centric model of our solar system. As I said, not important, but interesting.

    November 25, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Yes, it's time we went with a sensible calendar with no religious baggage.

      May I suggest "Shire Reckoning"?

      People in the southern hemisphere might prefer Yule to Lithe leap days but I'm sure we can sort that out.

      November 25, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
  11. AJD

    It's the first time since 1899, not 1888.

    November 25, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
  12. Lionly Lamb

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaQzQAlNn4&w=640&h=390]

    November 25, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
  13. Topher

    I have a LOT to be thankful for this year.

    November 25, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Of course you do, a new life will soon enter your world and life as you know it will be forever changed. Have a pleasant Thanksgiving Topher.

      November 25, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
      • Topher

        You, too!

        November 25, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • mzh

      Thats nice of you that you have got lot to be thankful... 🙂

      I try to be thankful for every breathe of my life and will only be coming to an end when my life comes to the end which is not known to anyone...

      November 25, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
      • Topher

        I try to remember to thank Him every day for the air He let's me borrow. How kind that He provides my EVERY need.

        November 25, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Vic

      I thank the Lord Jesus Christ everyday for the Gift Of Salvation.

      November 25, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
      • Topher

        Amen!

        November 25, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
      • Lionly Lamb

        I'm grateful to be alive which is more than what can be said for the homeless and destitute and hungry that many societies and governments turn a blind eye upon... Seasonal praises and thanksgiving does little to curb social and nationalized illnesses...

        November 25, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
      • sam stone

        i am thankful i am not burdened by silly a$$ed ideas of heaven and hell, sin and salvation

        November 25, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • Which God?

      Topher, from what I understand, you are going to be a papa. Congrats! Parenthood is a bit of a learning curve, but still a blast. They grow up so fast.

      November 25, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
      • Topher

        I am, thank you. Just a couple more months to go. Make a couple of major purchases this morning. We can't wait.

        November 25, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
        • Topher

          * Made

          November 25, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
        • Which God?

          You'll do fine, and your ear will learn to hear, and interpreat the different cries you baby will make. Peace, new daddy.

          November 25, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • mzh

      Congrats Topher!!!

      Here is the human life cycle:

      O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it, its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. – 4:1

      There are 2 elements of human body:
      A. Body
      B. Soul OR atma OR ruh

      A. The body which has been created from dust – from the earth
      It is He who created you
      i) from dust, then
      ii) from a sperm-drop, then
      iii) from a clinging clot; then He brings you out as
      iv) a child; then [He develops you] that you reach your [time of]
      v) maturity, then [further] that you become
      vi) Elders (old age).
      vii) And among you is he who is taken in death before [that], so that you reach a specified term; and perhaps you will think. – 40:67

      Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators. – 23:14

      He created you (all) from a single person (Adam); then made from him his wife [Hawwa' (Eve)]. And He has sent down for you of cattle eight pairs (of the sheep, two, male and female; of the goats, two, male and female; of the oxen, two, male and female; and of the camels, two, male and female). He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness, such is Allah your Lord. His is the kingdom, La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). How then are you turned away? – 39:6

      In the above verse:
      "creation after creation":
      – means everyone of you is originally a Nutfah (means a semen-drop which is mentioned in 22:5),
      – then he becomes an `Alaqah (means: clinging substance which is mentioned in 96:2),
      – then he becomes a Mudghah (means: the embryonic lump which is mentioned in 23:14 – this verse actually gives all the stages meaning mentioned Nutfah then 'Alaqah and then Madghah.... subhanallah glory be to Allah The Almighty who Created the human and the entire universe),
      – then it becomes flesh and bones and nerves and veins, and the Ruh (soul) is breathed into him, and he becomes another type of creation.

      "three veils of darknesses":
      meaning in
      veil # 1 – the darkness of the womb,
      veil # 2 – the darkness of the placenta which blankets and protects the child, and
      veil # 3 – the darkness of the belly.

      B. Soul breathed in to it which makes the body to move or ability to think and so on – from up and no one knows more details about it
      32:7 – Who perfected everything which He created and began the creation of man from clay. Then He made his posterity out of the extract of a liquid disdained. Then He proportioned him and breathed into him from His [created] soul and made for you hearing and vision and hearts; little are you grateful.

      End of this earthly life:
      Say, "Indeed, the death from which you flee – indeed, it will meet you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the unseen and the witnessed, and He will inform you about what you used to do." – 62:8

      Every soul will taste death, and you will only be given your [full] compensation on the Day of Resurrection. So he who is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise has attained [his desire]. And what is the life of this world except the enjoyment of delusion. – 3:185

      When time is over a human just leaves from this earthly life no matter what whether healthy or not...

      Peace!!!

      November 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
  14. Vic

    LOL! That's one funny article. The "spell checker" sputtering and dying..LOL! Somehow reminds of the movie "Office Space." Also, "Thanksgivukkah" reminds me of the Costanza's "Festivus." LOL!

    Wow..not again till 70,000 years, that's an idea for expensive paraphernalia!

    I am still reading on..LOL!

    November 25, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Vic

      LOL!

      Here is another idea for "Thanksgivukkah:" Carve menorahs into the pumpkins and/or lit the carved pumpkins with menorahs!

      Also, I wonder what they will do in lieu of a drumstick in football this Thursday!

      November 25, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
      • Vic

        Geez, pun intended here! I got the idea from the article "8. Watch a scary movie about stereotypes." OK, bad joke, my bad, leave the pumpkins for pies..

        November 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
  15. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    Great article!

    I immediately thought of the sweet potato latkes when I saw the article – turbrisket sounds horrible.

    Cressent rolls with gelfite fish anyone?

    Let's celebrate the miracle of the turkey leftovers that lasted for eight days. We need eight days of kosher turkey leftover meals in Eatocracy.

    Happy Thanksgivukkah!

    I look forward to the annual "kvetch about kitsch for Christmas" article.

    November 25, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Jude Maverick

      Turbrisket does sound revolting....

      Agree. Cute article.

      November 25, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
  16. Which God?

    J, why don't you go forth, get an education, not biblical, See something of the world, not your basement. Then you can come back and talk with the adults.

    November 25, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • AE

      Who are you talking to?

      November 25, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
      • Which God?

        Some posts got deleted. I was replying to "J." Hard to follow when this happens. Happened on anothe thread I wanted to post to..

        November 25, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
        • AE

          Yea, I don't know what is going on with the posts.

          November 25, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
        • Which God?

          AE, it really does stink when you can't follow along.

          November 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Maddy

      J is that troll Ocean, whose only purpose is to spew vitriol statements meant to inflame. He gets deleted because if the nature if his hateful posts.

      He is certainly not a Christian. Just a troll. He refuses to discuss his beliefs, saying his job here us to bash atheists.

      He has no other purpose than to annoy.

      November 25, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
  17. Colt

    A very merry, happy Han-thanks-ukkah-giving!!!!

    🙂

    November 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Simeon

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSJCSR4MuhU&w=640&h=390]

      November 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Simeon

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pyvls0xXcU&w=640&h=390]

      November 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
      • igaftr

        Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant" will always be THE Thanksgiving song.

        November 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
  18. AE

    I have good memories of celebrating Hanukkah with my neighbors (and being very jealous about the 8 days of gifts).

    November 25, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Jude Maverick

      See Lewis Black's "The End" for his take on the eight days of gift giving.
      Hilarious.

      November 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
  19. palintwit

    Drinking Everclear from mason jars is doing to the tea party patriots what drinking fire water did to the injuns. IT made 'em go plumb crazy !

    November 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • VladT

      Please, please, plese.......emerge from your mother's basement to learn that there is finally some bipartisanship in the world....

      No one thinks your political "jokes" are funny

      November 26, 2013 at 3:30 am |
  20. Reality # 2

    As noted in the topic, Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights, is one of the most joyous times of the Jewish year. The reason for the celebration is twofold (both dating back to c. 165 BCE): the miraculous military victory of the small, ill-equipped Jewish army over the ruling Greek Syrians, who had banned the Jewish religion and desecrated the Temple; and the miracle of the small cruse of consecrated oil, which burned for eight days in the Temple's menorah instead of just one."

    "Originally a minor holiday, it has become more lavishly celebrated as a result of its proximity to Christmas."

    Some candles burn for weeks so the menorah "miracle" is hardly miraculous.

    Rabbi Wolpe who already put the Exodus in the realm of fiction could do a like review of the historic validity of Hanukkah.

    November 25, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • George Karlson

      Miracle was for one day of OIL burning for 8.
      How does the fact that there are candles that burn for 8 relate to this?

      November 25, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
      • Reality # 2

        Candles are hardened oil.

        November 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
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