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What Dave Ramsey gets wrong about poverty
Financial advisor Dave Ramsey is also an evangelical Christian.
November 30th, 2013
09:59 AM ET

What Dave Ramsey gets wrong about poverty

Opinion by Rachel Held Evans, special to CNN 

(CNN)– Dave Ramsey is rich. And he makes his living telling other evangelical Christians how they can get rich, too.

Host of a nationally syndicated radio program and author of multiple best-selling books, Ramsey targets evangelical Christians with what he calls a “biblical” approach to financial planning, one that focuses primarily on the elimination of consumer debt. His for-profit Financial Peace University is billed as “a biblically based curriculum that teaches people how to handle money God's ways."

Much of what Ramsey teaches is sound, helpful advice, particularly for middle-class Americans struggling with mounting credit card bills. I have celebrated with friends as they’ve marked their first day of debt-free living, thanks in part to Dave Ramsey’s teachings and all those white envelopes of cash he urges his students to use instead of credit cards.

But while Ramsey may be a fine source of information on how to eliminate debt, his views on poverty are neither informed nor biblical.

Take, for example, a recent article by Tim Corley posted to Ramsey’s website. Entitled “20 Things the Rich Do Every Day,” the article presents some dubious statistics comparing the habits of the rich with the habits of the poor, including:

“70% of wealthy eat less than 300 junk food calories per day. 97% of poor people eat more than 300 junk food calories per day.”

“76% of wealthy exercise aerobically four days a week. 23% of poor do this.”

“63% of wealthy listen to audio books during commute to work vs. 5% of poor people.”

One need not be a student of logic to observe that Corley and Ramsey have confused correlation with causation here by suggesting that these habits make people rich or poor.

For example, a poor person might not exercise four days a week because, unlike a rich person, she cannot afford a gym membership. Or perhaps she has to work two jobs to earn a living wage, which leaves her little time and energy for jogging around the park.

A poor family may eat more junk food, not because they are lazy and undisciplined, but because they live in an economically disadvantaged, urban setting where health food stores are not as available: a so-called “food desert.”

Critics were swift to point out these discrepancies and among the critics were some of Ramsey’s fellow evangelical Christians who also noted that, though the book of Proverbs certainly heralds success as a common return on faithful labor, nowhere does the Bible guarantee that good habits lead to wealth.

The writer of Ecclesiastes observed that "under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to the skillful; but time and chance happen to them all."

And far from having contempt for the poor, Jesus surrounded himself with the needy and challenged the excesses of the rich. “Blessed are you who are poor,” he said, “for yours is the kingdom of God. … But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort” (Luke 6:24).

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle," Jesus famously said, "than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

It’s hard for the wealthy to flourish in the kingdom that Jesus inaugurated because the economy of that kingdom runs so contrary to the economies of the world. It rewards the peacemakers over the powerful, the humble over the proud, the kind over the cruel, and those who hunger to do the right thing over those whose wealth has convinced them they already are.

Ramsey responded to the pushback with an addendum to the original post calling his critics “ignorant” and “immature” and instructing them to “grow up.”

“This list simply says your choices cause results,” he said, again committing the false cause fallacy. “You reap what you sow.”

The list, he said, applies only to people living in “first world” countries, where Ramsey believes economic injustices are essentially nonexistent. While the poor in developing countries are so as a result of external circumstances beyond their control, the poor in the United States have no one to blame but themselves.

“If you are broke or poor in the U.S. or a first-world economy, the only variable in the discussion you can personally control is YOU,” Ramsey says. “You can make better choices and have better results.”

America, he argues, has prospered as a direct result of its “understanding and application of biblical truths” which have led to “life-changing industry, inventions and a standard of living never known before on this planet.”

“There is a direct correlation,” he concludes, “between your habits, choices and character in Christ and your propensity to build wealth.”

For Christians, Ramsey’s perceived “direct correlation” between faith and wealth should be more troubling than his other confused correlations, for it flirts with what Christians refer to as the prosperity gospel, the teaching that God rewards faithfulness with wealth.

Ramsey’s particular brand of prosperity gospel elevates the American dream as God’s reward for America’s faithfulness, the spoils of which are readily available to anyone who works hard enough to receive them.

But such a view glosses over the reality that America was not, in fact, founded upon purely Christian principles (unless one counts slavery, ethnic cleansing, gender inequity, and Jim Crow as Christian principles), so we should be careful of assuming our relative wealth reflects God’s favor. (The Roman Empire was wealthy, too, after all.)

It also glosses over the reality that economic injustice is not, in fact, limited to the developing world but plagues our own country as well.

When medical bills are the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the United States, there are systemic injustices at work.

When people working 40-hour weeks at minimum wage jobs still can’t earn enough to support their families, there are systemic injustices at work.

When approximately 1% of Americans hold 40% of the nation’s wealth, there are systemic injustices at work.

When the black unemployment rate has consistently been twice as high as the white unemployment rate for the past 50 years, there are systemic injustices at work.

And throughout Scripture, people of faith are called not simply to donate to charity, but to address such systemic injustices in substantive ways.

The 17-year-old girl who lives in a depressed neighborhood zoned for a failing school system who probably won’t graduate because her grades are suffering because she has to work part-time to help support her family needs more than a few audio books to turn things around.

People are poor for a lot of reasons, and choice is certainly a factor, but categorically blaming poverty on lack of faith or lack of initiative is not only uninformed, it’s unbiblical.

God does not divide the world into the deserving rich and the undeserving poor. In fact, the brother of Jesus wrote that God has “chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him” (James 2:5).

God does not bless people with money; God blesses people with the good and perfect gift of God’s presence, which is available to rich and poor alike.

And that’s good news.

Rachel Held Evans is the author of "Evolving in Monkey Town" and "A Year of Biblical Womanhood." She blogs at rachelheldevans.com. The views expressed in this column belong to Rachel Held Evans.

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soundoff (2,299 Responses)
  1. Robwilli

    Regarding the food comment. Even if you are not rich you can still eat very healthy if you choose. It is actually cheaper to buy fruits and veggies than it is to buy junk.

    December 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
    • A

      You are correct about fruits and veggies being cheaper, but those who live in "food deserts" often have trouble accessing them. If your only store is a gas station or a corner market, you likely aren't going to be eating healthy.

      December 1, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
  2. Yes1fan

    Dear Rachel, you wrote:
    "In fact, the brother of Jesus wrote that God has “chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him” (James 2:5).".
    FYI, the Gospel of James was NOT written by Jesus' brother James, but most likely by Jesus' Disciple named James.
    I thought you might like to know that factoid.

    December 1, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • Maddy

      Most biblical scholars say they are one and the same.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • midwest rail

      factoid – " an invented fact believed to be true because it appears in print. "

      December 1, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
      • lol??

        Is this toid a fact, the scientific trype??

        December 2, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • Russ

      @ Yes1fan:
      the "Gospel of James" is an apocryphal book written over 100 years after Christ – clearly NOT by one of his immediate disciples.

      I think you meant the "Epistle to James" – which was probably NOT written by James son of Zebedee, as he was martyred in AD 44. it was possibly James son of Alphaeus (the lesser known James of Jesus' disciples), but most scholars believe the author to be James the brother of Jesus (Gal.1:19).

      December 1, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
  3. Mike V

    Common sense never goes out of style. Ramsey has a bunch. Leave it to the low paid liberal press to nit-pick. Jealousy is not becoming, honey.

    December 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Mary

      Neither is partisan condescension. Honey.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • tallulah13

      And yet another person fails to comprehend the gist of the story. She praised his financial advice. Her objection is with the hypocrisy of Ramsey's use of Christ's words to teach financial gain, especially considering Ramsey's low opinion of the poor.
      Christ was unambiguous about his love for the poor and his disdain for personal wealth.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • Bob

      Exactly. Wonder what she is doing to help anyone. Dave doesn't teach "get rich quick" which is why it is hard. Sell the crap you don't need and stop buying crap, pay off your bills.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
  4. Ash

    Being debt free means that I automatically become wealthy (and I would not inherit the kingdom of God) is neither biblical nor logical and that is not what Dave Ramsey is teaching... God wants us to live a a life of content and not greed... So the choice of living within your means is not going after the Prosperity gospe or the rewards, but simply living within your means. Don't confuse between being debt free and wealthy. Wealthy people don't need Dave Ramsey's teaching... You can still be poor and debt free. It is a choice!

    December 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • StrawMan

      Geat Post. Thank You!

      December 1, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
  5. lifeknoxhard

    Dave has not always been rich. These systematic injustices that you speak of do not keep people down, there own lack of work does.

    December 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, they can very easily keep people down. Some people get lucky and their hard work pays off. Other people work hard their entire life and end up nowhere. People love to generalize, but every story is different. It's unjust when people blame the poor for being poor without acknowledging all the factors.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
      • StrawMan

        Dave acknkowledges that life isn't fair which is the problem with the criticism in this article in the first place. That said he makes no bones about the fact that somone in poverty wont get out without putting in hard work and not being average. He provides a methodical plan to get ouf debt, save money, budget, and build a retirement nestegg

        December 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
        • tallulah13

          His plan will not work for everyone, yet there are people on this blog who seem to think it will. The world is not black and white and every situation is different. Some people will work themselves to death and do everything right and they will still end up with nothing. It is unjust to blame the poor for being poor.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
        • StrawMan

          @tallulah
          His plan will not work for everyone,
          – Oh well it doesn't have to and he never said it will. Not following any plan wont work. his plan is better than nothing.

          yet there are people on this blog who seem to think it will.
          – Well too bad. He isn't one of them and that is all that matters

          The world is not black and white and every situation is different.
          – Yep. He handles calls every day on his show to help people work throguh a plan for their situation

          Some people will work themselves to death and do everything right and they will still end up with nothing.
          – Oh well. He never said differnetly. Not following any plan wont work. his plan is better than nothing. it can't hurt.

          It is unjust to blame the poor for being poor.
          – He doesn't blame the poor for being poor. He doesn't hate the poor or think it is bad to be poor He says it all the time. He knows a lot of happy poor people. But if you don't want to be poor his methods are a great tool and he maintinas that is true.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
    • cwcw

      Dave Ramsey got rich by making moral concessions that I personally cannot make as a christian. Deceiving his customers, brown nosing to the wealthy and taking part in radio world of scapegoating the poor and less gifted.

      December 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
      • StrawMan

        Deceiving?

        December 1, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
  6. lol??

    Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

    December 1, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
  7. lol??

    The haters have to learn to focus. It's the Father they really hate. In the meantime here's some entertainment per wiki,
    "................On September 17, 2012, The Jerry Springer Show began airing in widescreen, in conjunction with its 22nd season premiere. It is now broadcasting in 480i standard definition and 720p/1080i high definition............."

    Jhn 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • .

      As you are the most hate-filled person on here, your self-serving post is hypocritical, to say the least.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
      • lol??

        Is this a test??

        December 2, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Bob

      Great reply!

      December 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
      • lol??

        JERRY JERRY BOBBY BOBBY

        December 2, 2013 at 8:12 am |
  8. Craig

    Wow. Just wow. Attacking someone who actually helps people improve their life by being honest with them about the consequences of their own choices? That's just stunning....not to mention how embarrassingly poor and loose she is with her facts and "logic".

    December 1, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It's funny how people attack the author without even comprehending her point.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
      • Ash

        That is what I feel this author did, she didn't comprehend Dave Ramsey's teachings but instead took one of his article from his website and judged him...

        December 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
        • Maddy

          She was basically blasting Tim Corley's article that Ramsey posted on his website, and questioning the wisdom of doing so.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
        • tallulah13

          Christ was unambiguous about his love for the poor. He was unambiguous about his disdain for personal wealth. Dave Ramsey runs a for-profit business that teaches people how to accrue wealth, and he blames poor people for being poor. Yet he uses Christ to sell his product. This is what the author was complaining about, using his own words to make her point.

          And isn't it sad that this atheist is defending the integrity of Christ while his followers defend the man who uses his name to make money?

          December 1, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Bob

      Exactly. She's jealous that she's so unsuccessful so go after someone who is helping people. Good grief. Has she read his books, listened to his show? Either she didn't or she's the dumbest person I know.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
      • Maddy

        Oh, RHE isn't unsuccessful. I wonder why you would think that? Kind of a 7th grade reaction, don't you think?

        December 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
      • Amy B.

        Unsuccessful? You must be clueless as to who she is and what she's done.

        December 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
  9. James Hawk III

    'A poor family may eat more junk food, not because they are lazy and undisciplined, but because they live in an economically disadvantaged, urban setting where health food stores are not as available: a so-called “food desert.”'

    Seriously? One doesn't have to have so-called "health food stores" around to eat healthy. One needs an ordinary grocery and the sense not to eat food that comes in four-color glossy boxes (unless those boxes contain unseasoned, unsauced frozen vegetables, plain pasta, or plain rice). Fruit, vegetables, and fresh proteins serve quite nicely, thank you.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      And some districts do not have those – don't forget most of these people aren't able to just jump in the car and drive whereever.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • Rachel

      According to the USDA, "Food deserts are defined as parts of the country vapid of fresh fruit, vegetables, and other healthful whole foods, usually found in impoverished areas. This is largely due to a lack of grocery stores, farmers’ markets, and healthy food providers." That means that it's not just not having health stores, it's also not having grocery stores. There are neighborhoods in this country where the only stores are convenience stores. Most of those stores do not carry fresh vegetables or fruit. Many people do not have the opportunity to buy or consume healthy foods because they cannot afford transportation to something as simple as a grocery store. When every person has access to wholesome foods, then we can talk about "choice," but not before.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Joe

      Go to Downtown of any major City and find the grocery stores. There aren't any. That is her point

      December 1, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
  10. MedicT

    I want all the Libs to try an experiment. Take all your credit cards, max them out if you haven't already, and come back and tell us that Dave Ramsey is wrong. LOL

    December 1, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      What does that prove?

      December 1, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Here's an experiment for you. Spend a year treating people as individuals instead of convenient labels. Try meeting people who aren't in your own social circle. Stop seeing difference as bad. Stop judging people until you've actually met them and learned to understand their lives, not from some talk show or politician, but from the people who actually live those lives.

      Then come back to the blog and tell people what you've learned.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
      • StrawMan

        here is an experiment. Actually listen to Dave Ramsey's show and then see if it is anything like what this hack piece describes him as. If you still think that read one of his books and see if anything in them seems like anything the author of the article is caliming he has "wrong"

        December 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
        • tallulah13

          I'm not talking about Dave Ramsey. I'm talking about MedicT who made made a lame comment about a generalized group. Perhaps you should be the one to take up my challenge.

          By the way, I'm already debt free.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
        • StrawMan

          I don't need to take your challenge as evidenced my poignant on topic response related to the article
          (If Dave Ramsey teaches being debt free it is wrong but if you are debt free it is OK...)

          December 1, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
      • Bob

        How do you know that's not how the person lives?

        December 1, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
        • tallulah13

          Get real, Bob.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
    • Jinx

      Here's an experiment for YOU to try. File your taxes without taking any exemptions at all. For anything. No deductions whatsoever. Bet you won't.

      Shut up with your partisan bs. It's tiring and adds zero to the conversation.

      December 1, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        What does that prove?

        December 1, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
  11. Truth teller

    Born Agains are using religion to make money and rip off others...

    December 1, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
  12. Big Papi

    Kim kardashian is a hottie!!

    December 1, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • duh

      Ok tooted

      December 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
  13. Jayleigh

    I have listened to Dave Ramsey for years off and on. His advice is simple, and is mostly common sense in a crazy world that tries to sell us bad ideas. I could nitpick and criticize him, but overall his message is true. Debt bad, your best wealth building tool is your income. Good choices are important. Nothing crazy there.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The fact that he uses religion to sell his advice is the controversy.

      December 1, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      There is some controversy over whether they are good choices – the advice to pay down the card with the smallest balance is contrary to most financial advisors who recommend paying down the one with the highest interest.

      December 1, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
  14. mickinmd

    Ramsey certainly missed the bullseye and is clearly conning the gullible with his "as God wishes" nonsense, but he was aiming at the right target: habits do affect success or failure. As a teacher of high school chemistry and physics until I retired in 2006, I and other teachers would converse with each other as to the probable college success of our graduates. We were pretty accurate. The biggest indicator of success or failure is the student's work habits, not the intellectual gifts.

    My career was spent with an employer where there were two general groups of workers: one that made, when I retired in 2006, $50K or more and one that made $30K or less.
    In general, the $50K+ workers brought bag lunches and beverages and plugged in their own coffee pots or brought thermos. The $30K- workers tended to go out or send out to lunch at McD's. They bought sodas from the $1 or $1.60 vending machines. Someone made a run to 7-11 for coffee twice a day.
    One of the low-paid workers asked how I was able to vacation overseas every couple of years. I pointed out that she spent an avg. $6 per day on lunch vs my $2. In one 250 day work-year that's $1000. In two years that's several days for two in Paris or Rome or London, etc. including flights, hotel, and meals. She said if she didn't take the time to get out of the office each day it would drive her crazy. That certainly wasn't really the case.

    I came from the poorest family in a neighborhood in the armpit of my county. I know about being poor and how those financially challenged act and think. Many will doggedly save and find a way to live beneath their means even if they don't understand the best ways to do it. Others have no clue how small savings adds up. Fortunately, my siblings and I managed to get ourselves well-educated and are now in or approaching comfortable retirements.

    And while many who are poor are unlucky or unhealthy, many habitually make wrong choices. Fads and brand names are one major problem. One relative-of-a-relative I know who's barely getting by just bought the headphones called "Monster Beats by Dr Dre" for $179. I looked at the reviews on headfi.com and saw my $49 Audio Technica ATH-M30 headphones are rated identically for sound quality and higher for wearing comfort. Mine are one of the three most wished for headphones on Amazon.com's Wish Lists but those $179 headphones are not.

    The same foolishness applies to shoes, groceries, clothes, and other necessities.

    And bad habits that drag you down obvious apply to things like sobriety and education. A relative had a bad drinking habit and his wife was a high school dropout. But after they changed their habits, he's been a big deal in AA for over a decade and she got a B.S in Accounting from the U. of Maryland, they rose from a near-bottom of the barrel, maxed-out credit-card financial situation to the point where they now own two houses and often host parties at their home's large in-ground swimming pool, etc.

    So I don't see any problem in encouraging others to aim for habit that lead to more success in life.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • jeremy

      Thats a great comment your 100% right

      December 1, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
  15. Bob Barlau

    Her entire story is based on an article that Tim Corley wrote, not Dave Ramsey. I am curious to know if she has been through Dave Ramsey's class? "And he makes his living telling other evangelical Christians how they can get rich, too." Based on this quote she has a limited understanding of the purpose behind his class.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      What is the purpose of his class? A $5M home?

      December 1, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        With no mortgage of course.

        December 1, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
        • rockyfort

          It is said that it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Ramsey spends a large portion of his program talking about ways to a) avoid being dependent on the government and b) finding ways to help others. Charity is not asking people to depend on the government. Charity is finding ways to help people yourself.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          rocky. What was foolish about my comment? There is plenty of criticism of Ramsey (and Orman et al) for selling high profit products and endorsing services (for which they are renumerated) to people already deeply in debt, which can easily be seen as exploitative considering the personal wealth they amass in the process.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
        • rockyfort

          What was foolish is that you obviously haven't been through his program. I spent about $100 for the program when we were in major financial difficulties. Now, we can help others. If you show me one person that can't pay for this program who really wants to go through and is willing to work – I'd be willing to help them. I can afford to do that now because of that investment and following the program. There are some churches that offer scholarship programs for those who can't afford it. I don't care how much money someone makes if they sell me something worthwhile that helps me and I can use to help others. You are basing your criticism off of the criticism of others when you have no first hand knowledge of the program.That's foolish.

          December 1, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          I don't need personal knowledge of his program (or anyone else's). My parents taught me money management and I've researched more as needed. Yes, some people need help but there are free or low-cost services, for example http://www.nfcc.org/
          That doesn't make me foolish.
          If you go to his site (which I did today for the first time) there is no direct mention of financial help as there is on the link I provided, and the page is full of his products for sale and endorsements of other products (for which he is compensated). The focus appears to be on making money for Dave Ramsey. In researching him today I found out that he was fired from his advice column because of bogus letters, he is called a hypocrite because he says not to be "flashy' with wealth yet owns an expensive home.
          Maybe it worked for you, but a motivated person can easily find help. btw why not search for "dave ramsey criticisms". I wonder why you defend him so much?

          December 1, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • lol??

      Costs too much for CNN to pay expenses??

      December 1, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
  16. Andy Varyu

    You make some good points about systemic injustices, but you pretty willfully distort Ramsey's argument to make your point. Tying his program to prosperity gospel, and then using this false association to further attack him, is irresponsible.

    I am a liberal who has worked in prisons and experienced directly the results of economic injustice, and also have taught Ramsey's FPU to low-income groups a few times. I know Ramsey well enough to understand he is not saying anything close to God "blessing people with money," as you insinuate. Ramsey is almost entirely about empowerment, and how wise choices can improve one's situation, while poor choices can leave you stuck. The quasi-mystical association of God blessing the faithful (or rich) is not close to anything I have heard him say. He simply says choices have consequences, and some choices are better than others (drawing advice on those choices from the Bible).

    Your points about systemic inequalities could be a good addendum to Ramsey's program, if you took the time to learn what he says rather than falling into an unsupported attack on him.

    December 1, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • CP

      Very thoughtful and articulate comment. Thank you!

      December 1, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
  17. Susan

    Reblogged this on Thoughts on Faith and commented:
    And far from having contempt for the poor, Jesus surrounded himself with the needy and challenged the excesses of the rich. “Blessed are you who are poor,” he said, “for yours is the kingdom of God. … But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort” (Luke 6:24).

    December 1, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
  18. lol??

    lol??
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Mama owns the babies. She can kill em if it strikes her fancy.

    December 1, 2013 at 7:43 pm |
    • Mary

      Shut up you nasty piece of work. You only care about the baby if it hasn't been born yet. Your plan is to let them starve once they're thru the birth canal.

      December 1, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
      • lol??

        I don't recommend anyone working their way out of poverty with the goal of being a justice at SCOTUS. Those people are nutzo.

        December 1, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
        • Mary

          I don't recommend you voicing any concerns about matters that don't affect you, Old Man.

          December 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
        • lol??

          Libby doctrine:if you don't see it, it doesn't exist.

          Origins of the three mystic apes that Darwin embraced are from the mystical far east. "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" Sometimes there is a fourth monkey depicted with the three others; the last one, Shizaru, symbolizes the principle of "do no evil". He may be shown crossing his arms or covering his genitals. Cover up ladies and stay away from the butcher doctors.

          December 1, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
        • Mary

          I'm not a lib, but of course you're a stupid man that had no clue about the bs you spew. Shut up and stay out of women's business until you have a clue about what you're talking about.

          December 1, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
  19. Jim

    If you are working 40 hours a week and only making minimum wage then you must be a really bad employee or have no skills. High school drop out maybe? Too much partying with alcohol or drugs? Making babies without a husband or a job? There are a lot of good jobs available for responsible adults.

    December 1, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • Mary

      Oh yeah, because all of those tired stereotypes the right wing hags push have GOT to be true.
      Look past your stupid Fox talking points and into reality, you heinous bigot. We know who you really mean.

      December 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • Ross

      or they could be like you jimmie ............ a 63 year old fat bald welfare recipient

      December 1, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Jimmy must work in management. That's where you find most people who don't have a clue about what's going on at a business.

      December 1, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
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