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December 13th, 2013
09:30 AM ET

Call Jesus (or Santa) white? Expect a big fight

Opinion by Edward J. Blum, special to CNN

(CNN) - Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly sparked outrage this week by insisting that Jesus and Santa Claus are both white, saying it's "ridiculous" to argue that depicting Christ and St. Nick as Caucasian is "racist."

"And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white," Kelly said, "but this person is arguing that we should also have a black Santa."

Kelly was responding to an article in Slate that said St. Nick needs a makeover from fat, old white guy to something less "melanin-deficient."

The Fox News host would have none of it.

"Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. It's like we have, he's a historical figure; that's a verifiable fact. As is Santa, I just want kids to know that. How do you revise it in the middle of the legacy, in the story, and change Santa from white to black?"

Arguing about St. Nick, who was originally Greek before Currier & Ives got their hands on him, is one thing. But as for Jesus, people have been arguing about his skin color since the earliest days of American history. You might even call it an American tradition.

What's new about this latest brouhaha is how swiftly Kelly’s remarks were attacked. Thousands of people have rebuked her through blogs, articles, Twitter posts and Facebook updates.

Comedian Jon Stewart accused Kelly of "going full Christmas nog."

“And who are you actually talking to?" Stewart said on "The Daily Show." "Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o’clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real — yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white?”

It seems that now, if you want to call Christ — or even Santa — white, you should expect a fierce fight.

The immediate and widespread rebuttal showcases how much America has changed over the past few decades. The nation not only has a black president, but also has refused to endorse the Christian savior as white.

Since the earliest days of America, Jesus was thought of as a white man.

When white Protestant missionaries brought Bibles and whitened images of Jesus to Native Americans, at least a few mocked what they saw.

Taking the imagery seriously, the Shawnee warrior Tecumseh asked future President William Henry Harrison, “How can we have confidence in the white people? When Jesus Christ came upon the earth you kill’d and nail’d him on a cross.”

It was not until around 1900 that a group of white Americans explicitly claimed Jesus was white.

Concerned that large numbers of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe, especially Jewish immigrants, were “polluting” the nation, anti-immigrant spokesmen like attorney Madison Grant asserted the whiteness of Jesus to justify calls for exclusionary legislation.

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Making Jesus white was a means to distance him from Judaism.

“In depicting the crucifixion no artist hesitates to make the two thieves brunet in contrast to the blond Savior,” Grant wrote in his xenophobic best-seller "The Passing of the Great Race."

“This is something more than a convention,” Grant continued, and suggested that Jesus had “Nordic, possibly Greek, physical and moral attributes.”

Even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Jesus was white, after being asked why God created Jesus as a white man.

King responded that the color of Christ’s skin didn’t matter. Jesus would have been just as important “if His skin had been black.” He “is no less significant because His skin was white.”

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Challenges to Christ’s whiteness have a long history, too.

Famed evangelist Billy Graham preached in the 1950s, and then wrote emphatically in his autobiography "Just As I Am," that, “Jesus was not a white man.”

But Graham was far from the first American to contradict the whiteness of Jesus. That honor goes to Methodist and Pequot Indian William Apess.

In 1833, he wrote to white Christians, “You know as well as I that you are not indebted to a principle beneath a white skin for your religious services but to a colored one.”

Almost 100 years later, the Jamaican born, “back-to-Africa” spokesman Marcus Garvey told his followers, “Never admit that Jesus Christ was a white man, otherwise he could not be the Son of God and God to redeem all mankind. Jesus Christ had the blood of all races in his veins.”

In our age, the color of Christ has become both politically dangerous and the butt of jokes.

In 2008, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s words “God damn America” and “Jesus was a poor black boy” almost derailed then-Sen. Barack Obama from winning the Democratic primary.

Now, Kelly bears the brunt of attacks and, in no surprise, was pilloried by comedians like Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Few Americans went on public record against King when he asserted Jesus had white skin in the 1950s. Today, thousands upon thousands from virtually every race and tribe of Americans have taken Kelly’s words seriously and seriously disdained them.

All the chatter about Jesus being white (or not) shows how much America has changed. There used to be “whites’ only” restaurants and schoolrooms. Now, even Jesus cannot be called white without repercussions.

What the debate hides, however, is what Jesus of the Bible actually did and how he related to people.

The gospels are full of discussions about Jesus and bodies. He healed the blind and those who suffered from disease. He touched and was touched by the sick. His body was pierced by thorns, a spear and nails. And he died.

READ MORE: What all those Jesus jokes tell us

The phenotype of Jesus was never an issue in the Bible. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke, nor John mentioned Christ’s skin tone or hair color. None called him white or black or red or brown.

Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

Maybe this Christmas season, we can reflect not so much on whether or not Jesus was white and instead consider what it meant for him to be called the “light” of the world.

Edward J. Blum is the co-author of The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America. He can be followed on Twitter @edwardjblum. The views expressed in this column belong to Blum alone.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. floyd schrodinger

    Hey Megyn Kelly, I've got this great bridge i Brooklyn that's for sale and you may be interested in buying.

    December 15, 2013 at 7:15 am |
  2. markomd

    Like Moses (Moshe Rabbenu) 1,300 years before, and the Prophet Mohammed (Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim) 600 years later, the historic Jesus was a direct descendent from the Abrahamic Tree.

    Noah’s son Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic), is the most distant known ancestor for all three men, a viewpoint expressed in the TaNaCh (the Hebrew Bible) and the Islamic foundational literature.

    Excellent anthropological evidence suggests that all three men had similar genetic phenotypes. Most likely, they were olive skinned with thick black hair and dark eyes like most Israeli Sabras. A typical Israeli Sabra looks very similar to contemporary Arabs.

    Does anyone need better evidence that we’re all cousins ‘under the skin’?

    December 15, 2013 at 7:13 am |
    • Melvin Swanson

      Few people are spiritually old enough to understand the Bible and realize Christians prosecute Jesus when they claim he died for their sins. It written in the New Testament "marvel not that a angel of darkness is transformed into a angel of light" Few people know that Jesus was a black Jew and when he returns, he shall make their Churches the synagogue of Satan. RE: Revelation chapter 3 verse 9 (KJV)

      December 15, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • sarge325

      Correct, Mark. And all of these people are classified as belonging to the white racial group by the US government – the peoples of North Africa, the Middle East and Europe.

      December 15, 2013 at 8:31 am |
  3. Chris

    It's amazing how intensely blacks, muslims and marxists fear whiteness. They are utterly terrified of anything being white.
    That pleases me.

    December 15, 2013 at 6:54 am |
    • truthprevails1

      They shouldn't fear anyone. Regardless of what you may think, the only true difference between them and you is skin color. Racism is damaging to society and should be long gone, this is the 21st century after all, however there are people like you who keep it alive and vibrant not caring who they hurt.

      December 15, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • MannyMota

      Common sense says that, if you believe that Jesus was born in the heart of the Middle East, then he would be of that gene pool and have Jewish \ Arab features, which is dark skin and black hair. Can't imagine why that would be controversial, or cause anyone grief.

      December 15, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • Melvin Swanson

      It's not fear but respect. I'm not an Christian nor Muslim but the thing that pleases me is how true full Muslims are and Faithfull to God. Most claimed to be Christians are liars because of the Satanist lies they are taught by the same criminal organization that runs our government. RE: Revelation chapter 22 verse 15 (KJV)

      December 15, 2013 at 8:31 am |
      • jim g

        muslims faithful to ignorance and irrationality.

        December 15, 2013 at 8:55 am |
    • BJ

      So whiteness is your god! Enjoy it while you can. It too will come to pass. People don't fear whiteness, but are disgusted by your arrogance. Even you will bow to Jesus in the end, who is no respecter of persons.

      December 15, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • Truthzilla

      I've read the bible. I don't recall the passage wherein Jesus attacks those who disagree with him. But that is all conservative Christians ever do. It's sad. And it's why I left. Christian extremists is the norm. I can't find a reasonable person anymore.

      December 16, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
  4. cfd

    Who cares what color Jesus is, what difference would that make

    December 15, 2013 at 6:48 am |
  5. Willow

    Assuming he existed, he would've been Middle-Eastern, not white.

    December 15, 2013 at 6:33 am |
    • Chris

      Yeah pretend to know what someone looked like 2000 years ago. Shut up, you're an idiot.

      December 15, 2013 at 6:55 am |
      • Ron

        The idiot would be you. If he existed, he would have been born to middle eastern, jewish parents, making him middle eastern. You think maybe he was born in england and hoped on a plane over to Israel 2000 years ago?

        December 15, 2013 at 7:04 am |
    • Alfred Hussein Neuman

      In the USA, Arabs have historically been racially classified as white/Caucasian.

      December 15, 2013 at 8:09 am |
      • Surprise!

        yep..so the US can continue to get that OIL....its all politics! duh!..

        December 15, 2013 at 8:30 am |
  6. OrygunDuck

    Are Christians always good? Are scientists always rational?

    December 15, 2013 at 5:47 am |
    • Science Works

      But maybe they are ahead of the christians ?

      Chimpanzees are rational, not conformists

      by Edwin van Leeuwen posted on December 15, 2013 01:19AM GMT

      Chimpanzees are sensitive to social influences but they maintain their own strategy to solve a problem rather than conform to what the majority of group members are doing. However, chimpanzees do change their strategy when they can obtain greater rewards, MPI researchers found. The study was published in PLOS ONE on November 28, 2013.

      December 15, 2013 at 6:11 am |
  7. oo oo

    Dm Murdock is one of the great idiots of our time. She believes Horus and buddha hatched Jesus. She is a fruitloop!

    December 15, 2013 at 5:44 am |
  8. JedSimons

    if Jesus was born in Bethlehem and his parents are from Jerusalem it makes him Middle-Eastern. So I do not know if he was really dark or really light for sure. But i'm pretty sure it was a bronze tone. I'm a Catholic and know that. Santa was imaginary Predecessor to St. Nick (who was real) for Christmas. Reason to Debate is invalid.

    December 15, 2013 at 4:36 am |
    • Hyptiotes

      But if Jesus' mom was a virgin, then the laws of biology dictate that he must have been adopted. This means Jesus could have had any colored skin. Yetis are always white however...you know, for camouflage.

      December 15, 2013 at 7:21 am |
      • MannyMota

        Fair point (as it were).

        December 15, 2013 at 7:37 am |
  9. fbianka jackie

    Read the Bible. Revealation reveals that Jesus skin was bronze and that his hair was like wool. It really does not matter. We know that white America has had the most on the planet. If you read the Bible it reveals more than you know or willing to accept. If you do not accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior it does not matter what color you are. If you think you are going to heaven based on Jesus's skin color you are dead wrong. Megyn Kelly will be lost forever if she finds out that Jesus is not white. America needs prayer! The only people going to hell are the ones who have not accepted Jesus. Most black folks believe and have accepted Christ. How do you think Black folks have with stood the wiles of the Devil!

    December 15, 2013 at 4:20 am |
    • Colin

      Ya gotta love it when a Christian scorns you with the admonishment that you will "go to hell".

      Out of all the silly superst.itious beliefs of the Christians, I think the myth of hell is my favorite. Think it through. I don't have to kill, I don't have to steal, hell, I don't even have to litter. All I have to do is have a reasonable, honest and rational disbelief in the Christian god and he will inflict a grotesque penalty upon me an infinite times worse than the death penalty. And he loves me.

      Let's subject this "cherished Christian doctrine" to the probing light of say.......fifth grade mathematics.

      Approximately one hundred and ten thousand million (110,000,000,000) people have lived on Earth. Given all those who have, over the centuries, rejected the Christian god, or who have otherwise committed mortal sins, there must be literally thousands of millions of people burning for all eternity in the cosmic oven of hell set up by their all-loving god. Some must have been burning for thousands of years by now.

      About 100,000 people die every day. There must be a constant stream of thousands of forlorn souls every day into the one way pit of hell their “all-merciful” god set up and maintains.

      But, far, far worse than sheer overwhelming numbers is the extent of the punishment. There is no way out, no parole, no time off for good behavior. You don’t just burn, you burn for all eternity. Billions of people and thousands of daily new arrivals burning for all eternity!

      No criminal justice system in the history of the Human race, even those established by the most despotic of tyrants, comes close to matching the unfathomable barbarity of their “infinitely benevolent” god.

      Hitler murdered six million Jews in his concentration camps, but compared to the Judeo-Christian god, Hitler was a bleeding-hearted wimp. A goose-stepping girlie-man. Their “all-caring” god not only burns billions more than Hitler, Pol Pot and all other dictators and tyrants added up, he keeps doing so to them for all eternity! I would not wish a bad sunburn on a person simply because they have a different religion to me, let alone fry them for all eternity.

      It is also odd that their all-loving god is also all-knowing and knows which souls will go to hell before they do. He even knows it before they are born, and yet he still creates them. He is worse than a psychopathic teenager who breeds litter after litter of kittens so he can slowly roast them in ovens.

      That is the problem with using the same deity to be both the carrot and the stick. It gets really silly really quickly.

      How they believe this utter garbage in the 21st century completely eludes me.

      December 15, 2013 at 5:11 am |
      • truthprevails1

        Truly amazing what a little brainwashing and lack of education will do to one.

        December 15, 2013 at 5:26 am |
      • Wow

        thanks Colin for replying to this nonsense. as we both know christians have been spewing this fear mongering oppression for far too long. it has been passed down from generation to generation and thats what makes it seem real and true to people. but its not and people need to hear that. its going to take a long time to break the chains that have shackled us for the last 2000 years so keep up the good work. thanks again

        December 15, 2013 at 5:36 am |
      • jim g

        my favorite is the blessed virgin mary.....straight out of monty python.

        December 15, 2013 at 5:36 am |
        • lol??

          HHHhhmmmm, God save the queens??

          December 15, 2013 at 9:07 am |
      • OrygunDuck

        More likely the souls cease to exist. (If you are not interested in things, then why would you want to go to Heaven anyway?)

        December 15, 2013 at 5:53 am |
      • Alvin Cavanaugh

        I feel truly sorry for you. Such stupid and obviously ignorant spewing of un-truths. I sincerely hope that come judgment day we find out that God has no color, Hes just God. And, believe me when I say, we will all be judged!!

        December 15, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Wow, not certain how you can make such a claim when there is no verifiable evidence to support you. Would you care to back up your delusions with scientifically sound evidence?

          December 15, 2013 at 7:40 am |
      • Chris W.

        You have a few "facts" wrong. Mainly the part when you say Jesus knows all. He gave us all free will, which means, we choose what we all do with our lives. Oh yeah, God did not create hell either. Thanks for the article though.

        December 15, 2013 at 7:55 am |
        • truthprevails1

          You need educated if you still believe in this garbage in the 21st century.

          December 15, 2013 at 8:11 am |
      • David M

        Saint Colin: Love ya man. My favorite post of the day!

        December 15, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • jim g

      religious garbage.

      December 15, 2013 at 5:33 am |
  10. john creek

    Jesus was a Jew who only spoke one language, that being Aramaic. We don't know his skin tone, it could have been on the light side, though it could just as easily been darker. Sephardic Jews often have a rather brownish skin tone. So in what sense would he be considered to be "white"? Maybe she's thinking of those kitschy parlor paintings which depict Jesus as a blue-eyed European with model-ish looks. Human beings come in such a large variety of skin tones, besides racists, who cares?

    December 15, 2013 at 4:06 am |
    • jim g

      religious garbage.

      December 15, 2013 at 5:34 am |
      • Ron

        Atheists that constantly spew things like "religious garbage" are just as bad as the religious nuts that constantly spew their religious message. If all you have to say is "religious garbage" then say it once and STFU. Otherwise you're just as bad as those you appear to hate so much.

        December 15, 2013 at 7:10 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Anger management might be in order for you...you don't sound like a very happy person!

          December 15, 2013 at 7:13 am |
        • jim g

          don't take orders from you pal, go back to mommy.

          December 15, 2013 at 8:57 am |
  11. dwayne

    Bill Maher is a joke. He doesn't want affected by affirmative action for television personalities, but he thinks the rest of whites should sacrifice for the likes of him. Not.

    December 15, 2013 at 3:46 am |
  12. dwayne

    It's not a matter of was he white, it's a matter of is he white? The answer is yes. There is no blacks in heaven. Everyone is white or they have to go to hell and be black with the devil and his angels. Hope that helps.

    December 15, 2013 at 3:44 am |
    • Emma Goldman

      Who can argue with an intellect like that!

      December 15, 2013 at 3:53 am |
    • charly

      ahh you silly mormom, still believing Joseph's myths... LOL!

      December 15, 2013 at 4:02 am |
    • fbianka jackie

      Dwayne, your name sounds black...The Jesus I know wish none to pershis but have everlasting life. Jesus was bronze and his hair like wool. So does that mean all whites are in hell. You are so lost; I pray that you become saved so that you won't be damned? I know evil have existed with the white folks and you are lost..It is not a laughing matter. I don't want you to think if he were white, that give you a pass to heaven. Megyn Kelly, she appears to be a little off to say Jesus was white and not go to the Bible to back up her claim. Santa Claus is Satan just put the n afte the first a. I pray that Jesus will soon reveal himself and allow this world know why he allowed satan to be the father of this world. Think before you say anything because you might lift up your eyes and be in hell,(your Grave) lake of fire.

      December 15, 2013 at 4:10 am |
      • Evert van Vliet

        Jackie, you sound like a non existing wavelength.

        December 15, 2013 at 4:15 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Wow, amazing that racism still exists in the 21st century. Dwayne, please locate a cave and go dwell in it.

      December 15, 2013 at 4:55 am |
  13. wb

    Alright then, I want my white Muhammad.

    December 15, 2013 at 3:15 am |
  14. oo oo

    O athies! Ask some questions for a change! Just make sure u no the answers! What jerks

    December 15, 2013 at 3:04 am |
    • bspurloc

      ask a question? state some FACTS with PROOF making them facts. otherwise...

      December 15, 2013 at 3:14 am |
    • kenny

      they weren't ... we don't ask questions ... we solve problems... unlike those that pray and believe in fairy tales.

      December 15, 2013 at 3:17 am |
  15. Jesse Franklin

    There are no official pictures, paintings or sketches of Jesus Christ when He walked the earth. Everything is just pure speculation. This entire debate or whatever it is, is insane. Ludicrous at its best.

    December 15, 2013 at 2:41 am |
    • oo oo

      I already told everyone what he looked like and u r a liar.

      December 15, 2013 at 3:06 am |
  16. Gavin

    Jesus was semetic. He was Jewish. I'm not sure if in todays world that is considered "white" or something else. As I have no God delusion I find the argument hilarius. Different races trying to make their God look like them istead of listening to his teaching. To quote Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    Ms Kelley. Why would you, as a Christian, even bring up a subject that would push people away from the very religion you believe in? If I was a Christian I might respond to the idea of the race of Jesus by saying "It's not the color of his skin that matters, but the quality of his message that matters" though that is lossely stolen from Martin Luther King Jr.

    December 15, 2013 at 2:33 am |
    • Sue Perlative

      You're wrong about God being a delusion, but you're absolutely right that Jesus was a semite. His appearance was like most middle eastern people, including many jews and most arabs. IOW, swarthy, probably. Certainly not the white of north europeans.

      December 15, 2013 at 3:21 am |
      • Evert van Vliet

        It's all one unhappy family.

        Trace back the genes of all of us and we all end up in africa.
        Which still doesn't make any of the nonsense any more realistic.

        Thanks to Sem?..'jews' are arabs, family clans by the 'grace' of utterly nonsense.

        December 15, 2013 at 3:31 am |
      • MoveForward

        Jesus as a mythical son of a mythical creature has no basis in fact. You may "believe" the delusions about either being but that doesn't make it true or a fact.

        December 15, 2013 at 3:31 am |
  17. davidintel

    Who cares about his color, this is God we are talking about!!

    December 15, 2013 at 2:21 am |
    • Icie

      I like your comment.
      Enjoy this Christmas!

      December 15, 2013 at 2:34 am |
      • Evert van Vliet

        I was afraid so.

        Have a nice day.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:47 am |
  18. Icie

    The Lord Jesus Christ is real. The man Jesus of Nazareth is real, really lived, really was crucified, and really rose again. This is not a fantasy, but a true, real, living love story about a true, living being that is in heaven right now beside the right hand of God Almighty. This man, Jesus Christ, is truer than each of us, better than each of us, died for us to be cleansed from all evil, and lives right now to have a deep relationship with each one of us. This is real. It is unfortunate that the bulk of the people commenting are ignorant of the truth. I am not afraid to say it because I am not ashamed of the gospel if the Lord Jesus Christ, my best friend, my Lord, my beloved, and my redeemer. The Lord reigns eternally. I am no better than any of you people. The thing that is different is that even though I am a sinful being like the rest, I've received the beautiful grace of God and encounter him on a regular, daily basis. I talk to him, just like every other true Christian, and I experience him every day, in every part of my day.
    Christianity is not to make us "better than you", it is to make us better than ourselves and more like Jesus by living for, with, and by his word which is in the Bible. There is more to this life than snarky comments about religious issues or ignoring the truth to live a lifestyle that you think is better than the one planned by God.
    Ridiculing is a waste of time. Use your time wisely to learn more about the Lord, about the trinity, about the way to live a better, truer, more successful, accomplished, and peaceful life.
    It is true that the Christian is better off than the non-Christian individual. There are polls, statistics, and even those that are living proof in each of your local areas to verify this. I am living proof too. I am not bragging, but it is the truth and I am thankful for this beautiful life. Each of you should be too, but instead of for your own selfish reasons, be thankful because of the amazing one who created us, The Lord God.
    I was intrigued by lots of these ideals and comments, but the truth is that Jesus was a Jewish man… end of the issue. Look up their (the Jewish peoples') appearance and then let us all end the debate because it is one by either those with little information or those who begin tense, irritable conversations.
    Life is too beautiful to be lost like this.
    Enjoy your end of 2013 and ascent into the year 2014! O, it is exiting!
    -Icie

    December 15, 2013 at 1:58 am |
    • RORORA

      .... and Cinderella did exist!!!!! so was the Snow White, which we made a movie with her being black, but I am quite sure the producer didn't really mean it!!!!!!!! LMAO

      December 15, 2013 at 2:02 am |
      • Icie

        It is unfortunate that that is the only thing one could think of to respond with.

        Thank you for your time.

        I hope that you enjoy New Nears.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:33 am |
        • Icie

          New Years*. oops. Later.

          December 15, 2013 at 2:37 am |
    • ss

      How can you say
      "It is true that the Christian is better off than the non-Christian individual. There are polls, statistics, and even those that are living proof in each of your local areas to verify this. I am living proof too. I am not bragging, but it is the truth"

      Jews would differ with your account, and feel you as many Christians do not respect the beliefs or non beliefs of others, you feel your way is the only way, which by the way is not true.

      December 15, 2013 at 2:10 am |
      • Icie

        I understand your argument. The Jews are God's people, promised by God in the Bible. (I think Jews are cool) Believing in one way as the truth and stating it as fact is not the opposite of respecting the beliefs of others'. It is recognized by Christians that other people believe other than ourselves. That does not stop us from claiming the truth. There are countless beliefs out there, but there is only one truth. It is obvious that these things offend, but our intent is to love by telling the truth, even if our love offends them.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:26 am |
        • Evert van Vliet

          "There are countless beliefs out there, but there is only one truth."

          Yep and it's called science.

          What you (and a bunch of others) call believe or faith is nothing but assumption.
          Or in other words; it's been taught to you without having any merit what-so-ever, not that that in itself comes as a surprise since we're talking a rather primitive form of politics where everything has been dictated to be the only 'truth'.

          Science however has been erasing 'your' 'points' in bulk.
          Not that science gets the last word since that in itself would erase way more than santa and jesus.
          It's the godly nonsense which provides the happy few with 'rights' over 'others', it's the same godly nonsense which 'educates' still empty minds to believe all of it….nations, dough, hierarchy based on utterly nonsense etc. etc. etc…..

          December 15, 2013 at 2:46 am |
    • Evert van Vliet

      Maybe it's you who is in dire need of a reality check?

      Next thing you're gonna tell everybody kings&queens, nations and money, the 'right' to inherit….it's all real?

      Sure if one (1) believes it, but not when 'others' get told it 'just' has to 'be' that way or the highway.

      Anti-democracy rules, thanks a lot you assumption-followers.

      December 15, 2013 at 2:12 am |
      • Icie

        It is real. Look it up.
        Live by the Bible for at least one month, then tell us that it is not true. One needs an encounter with God in order to experience or understand these things; it isn't something that people will just 'out of the blue' be able to explain. It requires the leading of the Lord to be understood.
        I didn't understand until recently.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:42 am |
        • Icie

          I didn't expect one to randomly believe it. I received an encounter before I really believed it.

          December 15, 2013 at 2:44 am |
        • Evert van Vliet

          You really shouldn't read everything you 'believe' in.

          Fact (still) is that people have been writing stuff down out of rather primitive perspective while declaring 'it' to be nothing but the truth.
          Fact is that this still continues while everybody is forced to assume there's nothing else to live by.

          Paper and Inc to ink out godly 'rights'.

          Look at the planet and shiver.

          December 15, 2013 at 2:53 am |
        • Tone deaf

          Live 'by the bible' for at least one month. Really?

          Should I start by stoning my wife to death on her fathers doorstep because she wasn't a virgin on our wedding night?

          Or how about something that good and 'humble' jesus said – that I should abandon my family if they don't believe in him? Good advice jesus.

          nah. I think I'll live by evolved human morality, derived from reason and experience, thanks.

          December 18, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • oh please

      jesus was a myth
      god is a myth
      angels are myth
      the devilis a myth
      get over it already
      GROW UP!

      December 15, 2013 at 2:25 am |
      • oo oo

        Lol

        December 15, 2013 at 5:40 am |
    • Karl Denton

      It's not a fantasy, you are right, it is the biggest delusion ever created by man!

      December 15, 2013 at 2:43 am |
      • Paul Preiswerck

        I could not have said it better. An adult believing in an imaginary friend from their childhood is not only delusional, it's psychotic.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:45 am |
      • Icie

        man did not create the living God.
        It is only a delusion to those that are spiritually blind.

        December 15, 2013 at 2:47 am |
        • Evert van Vliet

          Spirits (and the alike)…they don't exist no matter what color you give them.

          Fact is all nonsense orates about things we all can agree on to be real only to continue with nothing but quatch.

          December 15, 2013 at 2:57 am |
    • David M

      Please read "Zealot" by Reza Aslan for an understanding of the difference between the historic man, Jesus of Nazareth, and your theological god Jesus Christ. The oldest, original, gospel – Gospel of Mark– says nothing of resurrection, virgin birth and other god/man passages in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Only in later embellishments of the historic man, did Jesus become the living God, seated at the right hand of god the father, etc. The original "church" comprised of James, Peter, John and their followers considered themselves Jews, living under devout Jewish law, not Christians. The next generation of Jesus's followers, such as Saul of Tarsus, Matthew, Luke, John, wrote the embellishments to the historic person to fit into their theology.

      December 15, 2013 at 4:28 am |
  19. Harry Cline

    Was Jesus White ?! You worried about that, have we even determined yet if he was truly the son of God or merely a very good teacher ???

    December 15, 2013 at 1:38 am |
    • Chris

      If you believe in a magical man who walked on water and cured leprosy with a touch and turned water into wine, your IQ is subhuman, you are a peasant and permanently uneducated.

      Jesus is fake, he never existed, but it is right to say he was Caucasian, even white, because he was a European creation.

      Saying jesus was black is beyond ridiculous, considering blacks had never even heard of christianity until Europeans started forcing it on them in the 1600s. Now all of a sudden, according to many of these blacks, THEY were jesus, which means THEY taught us our own created religion.

      It's hysterical hilarious how dumb and ignorant so many people are. They don't even know history, even a little bit of it.

      December 15, 2013 at 1:45 am |
      • jp0

        Since he exists in the minds of people he can be whatever color they want.

        December 15, 2013 at 1:51 am |
      • lol??

        When are you gonna change yer name, Chris?? There's a long tradition in doing so.

        December 15, 2013 at 1:55 am |
      • Public Service Announcement

        On behalf of atheists everywhere, we would like to say that we do occasionally have people amongst us who even we think are total idiots. Chris is unfortunately one of them. We strive to use correct grammar and spelling, and to not sound like Rush Limbaugh. Unfortunately, some atheists like Chris are sniveling toadies of the corpulent radio howler, and their way of communicating and their ideas are perverted into Limbaugh-like screeds.

        Sadly, we do get a few total idiots like Chris, and wish you to know that he is not representative of atheism.

        Thank you for your time.

        December 15, 2013 at 1:57 am |
        • Evert van Vliet

          No matter how you (ab)use your qwerty a-theism can only 'exist' by the 'grace' of theism.
          So correct me if I'm wrong but who's the nut here (and there)?

          December 15, 2013 at 2:03 am |
      • Gavin

        First to say that Jesus did not "exist" as a human is likely wrong. He was mentioned by Flavius Josephus who was an historian in the region at the time. Does that mean he was the Son of God? Of course not! Jesus was one of MANY locals that followed a path that would make them fit the prophesies of Daniel et al. He just had more follwers and a better philosophy which made him more famous.

        Second Black people in Ethiopia and Egypt would object to your statement that Christianity was first taught to slaves in the 1600's. Christianity in Ethiopia, a BLACK country if you will, dates back to the first century. Black people found Jesus before Europeans.

        Finally. The follwers of Jesus never mentioned his appearance. That would LIKELY indicate he looked JUST LIKE THEM. They were Jews in the middle east during the Roman occupation. Basically Jesus would have LIKELY looked very similar to modern day arabs. He was not Black, Chinese, Indian, or European. He was semetic and likely had dark hair, dark eyes, and well tanned skin. Think Tony Shaloub better known as "Monk" or perhaps Frank Zappa or Freddy Mercury if you want to be extreme!

        December 15, 2013 at 2:27 am |
      • Looking for Balance

        Uh, Chris, you better look up the history of the Coptic Church in Ethiopia. I am Agnostic myself, so I don't believe that any religion has cornered the market on truth (or fantasy) but your history is sorely lacking if you think Black people (a good many of us anyway) did not know about Christianity until 1600.

        December 15, 2013 at 3:18 am |
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