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December 13th, 2013
09:30 AM ET

Call Jesus (or Santa) white? Expect a big fight

Opinion by Edward J. Blum, special to CNN

(CNN) - Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly sparked outrage this week by insisting that Jesus and Santa Claus are both white, saying it's "ridiculous" to argue that depicting Christ and St. Nick as Caucasian is "racist."

"And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white," Kelly said, "but this person is arguing that we should also have a black Santa."

Kelly was responding to an article in Slate that said St. Nick needs a makeover from fat, old white guy to something less "melanin-deficient."

The Fox News host would have none of it.

"Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. It's like we have, he's a historical figure; that's a verifiable fact. As is Santa, I just want kids to know that. How do you revise it in the middle of the legacy, in the story, and change Santa from white to black?"

Arguing about St. Nick, who was originally Greek before Currier & Ives got their hands on him, is one thing. But as for Jesus, people have been arguing about his skin color since the earliest days of American history. You might even call it an American tradition.

What's new about this latest brouhaha is how swiftly Kelly’s remarks were attacked. Thousands of people have rebuked her through blogs, articles, Twitter posts and Facebook updates.

Comedian Jon Stewart accused Kelly of "going full Christmas nog."

“And who are you actually talking to?" Stewart said on "The Daily Show." "Children who are sophisticated enough to be watching a news channel at 10 o’clock at night, yet innocent enough to still believe Santa Claus is real — yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn’t white?”

It seems that now, if you want to call Christ — or even Santa — white, you should expect a fierce fight.

The immediate and widespread rebuttal showcases how much America has changed over the past few decades. The nation not only has a black president, but also has refused to endorse the Christian savior as white.

Since the earliest days of America, Jesus was thought of as a white man.

When white Protestant missionaries brought Bibles and whitened images of Jesus to Native Americans, at least a few mocked what they saw.

Taking the imagery seriously, the Shawnee warrior Tecumseh asked future President William Henry Harrison, “How can we have confidence in the white people? When Jesus Christ came upon the earth you kill’d and nail’d him on a cross.”

It was not until around 1900 that a group of white Americans explicitly claimed Jesus was white.

Concerned that large numbers of immigrants from southern and eastern Europe, especially Jewish immigrants, were “polluting” the nation, anti-immigrant spokesmen like attorney Madison Grant asserted the whiteness of Jesus to justify calls for exclusionary legislation.

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Making Jesus white was a means to distance him from Judaism.

“In depicting the crucifixion no artist hesitates to make the two thieves brunet in contrast to the blond Savior,” Grant wrote in his xenophobic best-seller "The Passing of the Great Race."

“This is something more than a convention,” Grant continued, and suggested that Jesus had “Nordic, possibly Greek, physical and moral attributes.”

Even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Jesus was white, after being asked why God created Jesus as a white man.

King responded that the color of Christ’s skin didn’t matter. Jesus would have been just as important “if His skin had been black.” He “is no less significant because His skin was white.”

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Challenges to Christ’s whiteness have a long history, too.

Famed evangelist Billy Graham preached in the 1950s, and then wrote emphatically in his autobiography "Just As I Am," that, “Jesus was not a white man.”

But Graham was far from the first American to contradict the whiteness of Jesus. That honor goes to Methodist and Pequot Indian William Apess.

In 1833, he wrote to white Christians, “You know as well as I that you are not indebted to a principle beneath a white skin for your religious services but to a colored one.”

Almost 100 years later, the Jamaican born, “back-to-Africa” spokesman Marcus Garvey told his followers, “Never admit that Jesus Christ was a white man, otherwise he could not be the Son of God and God to redeem all mankind. Jesus Christ had the blood of all races in his veins.”

In our age, the color of Christ has become both politically dangerous and the butt of jokes.

In 2008, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s words “God damn America” and “Jesus was a poor black boy” almost derailed then-Sen. Barack Obama from winning the Democratic primary.

Now, Kelly bears the brunt of attacks and, in no surprise, was pilloried by comedians like Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Few Americans went on public record against King when he asserted Jesus had white skin in the 1950s. Today, thousands upon thousands from virtually every race and tribe of Americans have taken Kelly’s words seriously and seriously disdained them.

All the chatter about Jesus being white (or not) shows how much America has changed. There used to be “whites’ only” restaurants and schoolrooms. Now, even Jesus cannot be called white without repercussions.

What the debate hides, however, is what Jesus of the Bible actually did and how he related to people.

The gospels are full of discussions about Jesus and bodies. He healed the blind and those who suffered from disease. He touched and was touched by the sick. His body was pierced by thorns, a spear and nails. And he died.

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The phenotype of Jesus was never an issue in the Bible. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke, nor John mentioned Christ’s skin tone or hair color. None called him white or black or red or brown.

Obsessions about race are obsessions of our age, not the biblical one. When asked what mattered most, Jesus did not say his skin tone or body shape. He instructed his followers to “love the Lord your God with all your heart” and to “do unto others as you would have done unto you.”

Maybe this Christmas season, we can reflect not so much on whether or not Jesus was white and instead consider what it meant for him to be called the “light” of the world.

Edward J. Blum is the co-author of The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America. He can be followed on Twitter @edwardjblum. The views expressed in this column belong to Blum alone.

- CNN Religion Editor

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  1. Austin

    There are those who hear the truth and believe. When one ponders sin and salvation we should not worry about what amount of pigment was in the skin of God.

    I personally believe that the commandment that says, make no image of anything on earth or in heaven above indicates that the recreation of about anything, leads to mis led worship. Certainly this is true for pictures of Christ.

    If you are considering who Jesus is , consider HIs resurrection and the forgiveness of sins, and eternal covenant and promise that He alone is the giver of life, and freedom.

    December 19, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • igaftr

      Odd. I found over 100 creator gods, yet you claim YOURS is the right one...why yours and not the others ( and don't use the circular logic that the bible says so...all religions make the same claim.

      December 19, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • Nell

      I think the whole Jesus-salvation thing is bunkum. How can it be that his dad who was omnipotent had to get his son tortured and killed to remove this sin thing and "save" us? Why could such an all-powerful being not get the saving job done without the whole dead-son-on-sticks gambit?

      You've gotta be pretty stupid to believe the Jesus-salvation story. Pretty darn stupid.

      December 19, 2013 at 10:09 am |
      • CharlesP

        It's about as ridiculous a way to apologize for f***king up as Rob Ford.

        December 19, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • CharlesP

      Austin
      So, you've never taken a photograph, owned a TV, or read an illustrated book, I suppose? "Graven images" are everywhere in our media, and even in a few bibles, at least the children's ones. So, how well have you been able to keep this commandment?

      December 19, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • Sue

      When I heard the truth, I became an atheist. 🙂

      December 19, 2013 at 10:24 am |
      • Live4Him

        @Sue : When I heard the truth, I became an atheist.

        So, are you contented in your decision? Or do you continue to strive to seek fulfillment? Always striving to reach the next goal? Never satisifed with where you stand?

        December 19, 2013 at 10:40 am |
        • igaftr

          L4H
          For each of your questions, I could ask you the saem. Are you certain that you have chosen the correct answer? even though there are millions of other possibilities? If you are certain, you truly are fooling yourself.

          December 19, 2013 at 10:52 am |
  2. neXernode

    Jesus was a Jew. WHO FREAKIN CARES WHAT COLOR unless YOU ARE RACIST? All you people screaming about racism ARE RACISTS. JESUS is GOD in the flesh. He is the redeemer of mankind from sin. ALL WRONG DOING IS SIN. GET OVER IT!
    Santa was a real person. Do your own historical research and get your heads out of you know where. GET COLOR BLIND.

    December 19, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • igaftr

      I did my research and found Nogomain created everything including himself ....he created himself out of nothing, so he must be more powerful.

      December 19, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Susan StoHelit

      If the color didn't matter, then white people back in the day, wouldn't have turned Jesus white. You're saying it's racist to want the truth told, rather than a lie?

      December 19, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
  3. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G6D8itOfBs&w=640&h=390]

    December 19, 2013 at 8:29 am |
  4. GOOD NEWS

    Jesus was absolutely a Man of Color.

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com
    UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES

    December 19, 2013 at 4:32 am |
    • Science Works

      Good News – take a DNA test and find out if the interbreeding happened with your bloodline.

      Neanderthal Genome Shows Early Human Interbreeding, Inbreeding

      Dec. 18, 2013 — The most complete sequence to date of the Neanderthal genome, using DNA extracted from a woman's toe bone that dates back 50,000 years, reveals a long history of interbreeding among at least four different types of early humans living in Europe and Asia at that time, according to University of California, Berkeley, scientists.

      December 19, 2013 at 6:39 am |
      • Science Works

        Forgot citation/source.

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131218133658.htm

        December 19, 2013 at 6:42 am |
      • laststonecarver

        Who woulda thunk, the laststonecarver had hominid ancestry – and now is part of the only extant species –
        jeepers....

        December 19, 2013 at 8:17 am |
        • Science works

          ....creepers

          sort of blows Adam and Eve out of the water.

          DNA catches crooks too.

          December 19, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • igaftr

      First, 2000 year old myths do not qualify as "news"

      Second, all people are people of color. There has never been an achromatic person.

      December 19, 2013 at 8:34 am |
      • Saraswati

        Agreed. The expression "of color" is not only inacurate and insulting but creates a polarity with one globally minority race at one end and all other races at the other.

        December 19, 2013 at 8:46 am |
  5. Bill

    How many white, Western Europeans were living in the Palestinian region around 10 BCE to 35 BCE? I would guess very few. I'd guess even fewer were born there of Jewish parents native to the region. It's really not much of an argument unless you are bind, stupid, racist, or all of the above. The concept of Jesus as white is a Euro centric idea perpetuated by Medieval artists and their Renaissance successors who had entirely Euro centric view of the world. Fact.

    December 18, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I would assume less than one one hundreth of one percent of the European population had the oportunity to travel and see the world. Most of these artists had probably seen few if any people who looked different from themselves. That was the same the world over.

      December 18, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • James K

      Lots of Roman soldiers stationed in the area, and it's been floated around more than once that one of them could have gotten Mary pregnant, so it is possible.

      December 19, 2013 at 9:19 am |
      • Susan StoHelit

        Yeah, but that's not exactly the Christian view of Jesus's conception....

        December 19, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
  6. neved

    the editors had so much fear on the strongest arguments that they will reject the ,ost credible ideas

    December 18, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
  7. Donovan

    Jesus was Jewish. But what really matters is did the work of Christ effect you? I know Jesus died for my sins, and that my sins are forgiven. I received Him as Lord and Savior years ago and still have His awesome peace with me all the time. He died for our sins, but if we reject His atonement on our behalf than the coming of the Son of God to this earth has no benefit for us. Don't let that happen to you. God Bless

    December 18, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Sage

      Donovan, that just sounds like a threat at the end of your comment. What happens to us if we fail to believe your god/Jesus story, for which there is no modern evidence? Will your mean ole god punish us, even when we are supposedly all his fault? And why did your purportedly omnipotent god need the entire Jesus hocus pocus, to do the salvation thing? Why not just do it without all that unnecessary futzing around? Seems pretty stupid, what you believe, really.

      December 18, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • Saraswati

      "Jesus died for my sins"

      So God, in the form of Jesus, paid himself back for a debt you inhereted from your ancestors for crimes they committed?

      December 19, 2013 at 9:03 am |
  8. Opposing View

    The Five Lies of An Atheist…

    Lie #1 – Atheists love to say, "There is no evidence that God exists." They are liars. There always has been evidence that God exists. There is no greater evidence than Jesus Christ himself. He is all the evidence you need to believe in God and be saved. If you can believe in Jesus Christ, then you can be saved. If you cannot believe in him, then you shall continue on to the lake…

    Lie #2 – Atheists love to say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." If that is the case, then there is no greater extraordinary proof than Jesus Christ himself: the only begotten of the Father, prophesied about for thousands of years before his arrival, born of a virgin, healed the sick, caused the blind to see, made the lame to walk, turned water into wine, fed thousands with a few fish and loaves, walked on water, commanded the wind, died on the cross, rose from the dead, stepped on a cloud, and ascended up into heaven – I'd call those things pretty extraordinary. In fact, Jesus Christ was the most extraordinary man in history, bar none. And if you can't believe in that then something is wrong with your mind…

    Lie #3- Atheists love to say "You can't prove a negative". It's their favorite byline and is totally hogwash. You can indeed prove a negative and people do it all the time. Every single time you prove that a positive is untrue, then you're proving a negative. For example, people once thought the earth was flat. That is, until someone came along and proved it was round. That is proving a negative. It is proving that the positive is untrue. People once thought the sound barrier could not be broken. That is, until someone came along and broke it. People once thought the speed of light could not be calculated. That is, until someone came along and calculated it. All of those things are proving a negative. So the atheists are liars. We say God exists. The atheists say he doesn't. We say prove that he doesn't. And don't even talk about you can't prove a negative…

    Lie #4 – Atheists love to say "they can't believe in God unless someone shows them absolute proof that God exists. Unless someone can convince them of that fact". They are liars. The atheist requirement for such proof is both immaterial and irrelevant. It's immaterial because their request is nothing but a smokescreen. They're intentionally asking you for something they feel you cannot provide. And when you cannot provide it, they'll then have an excuse to continue being an atheist. That is their motive. They're not searching for truth, and nor are they being honest. Because no matter what proof you show them, they'll only say it's not good enough. Because that is their intent. To make you think there's not enough evidence to convince them to change. When the reality is, they have no intention of changing, no matter what evidence you show them. Their requirement is irrelevant because the system of God does not require anyone to have absolute proof in order to believe in God and be saved. Absolute proof has never been a requirement. All that is required is faith. That you have faith in the preacher. The system also does not require you to have faith in some eternal spirit you've never seen. All it requires is you have faith in him whom you have seen (the preacher). If you can believe in the preacher, then you can be saved. If you cannot believe in his words, then you shall continue on to the lake…

    Lie #5 – Atheists love to say "they never believe in something unless it can be proven, verified, and confirmed." Hogwash. Atheists don't even follow their own rules. If that was the case, then why do atheists believe God doesn't exist then? They have no proof of that. So why do they believe it? Answer: It is because that is what they want to believe. And it has nothing to do with proof. Those same atheists will get on a plane and never even see the pilot. They don't know if he's drunk or high on cocaine. Yet they trust and believe he's able to fly the plane. They buy food from the supermarket, and have no idea if the food is contaminated or not. When have you ever seen an atheist conduct scientific tests on food before eating it, to verify that it's safe? They don't do that. They just trust and believe the food is safe. So even atheists trust and believe in things every day, things for which they haven't a shred of proof. So why can't they trust in God? And why can't they believe in the preacher? Answer: It is because they don't "want" to, that's why. There is no other reason. If they say there is some another reason, they're a liar…

    However, it's easy to understand why atheists are such big liars and lie so much. In fact, every atheist I've ever known has been a pathological liar. It's because they have no God to keep them moral, and they have nothing to constrain them to keep them honest. Therefore, most atheists will lie in a heartbeat, and will lie whenever it suits them and think nothing of it. In fact, most will lie until their dying breath and will never ever tell the truth. Why? It is because they are atheists, and it is because they are without God…

    December 18, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Your lies

      Lie #1 – There is no evidence that a god exists and there is no evidence that Jesus was the son of a god. This is a variation of the circular logic normally employed by believers: bible – god – bible.

      Lie #2 – That god exists is the extraordinary claim and there is no extraordinary evidence. No evidence of a god, no evidence that Jesus was the son of a god, and no evidence of miracles. More circular logic.

      Lie #3 – You totally miss the point. Prove that Zeus does not exist.

      Lie #4 – More circular logic.

      Lie #5 – Atheists don't believe in god because there is no evidence that a god exists. Quality of food is verifiable; in the USA there are food standards and even then many people get ill and die of food poisoning. Not the same as a god that has never been seen.

      Morals do not come from a god, but it's probably good that you have that restraint as it sounds as though you feel you would murder, rape, steal, etc.if it weren't for your faith.

      December 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
      • vinster76

        Opposing View just ate your lunch, deal with it........You choose to believe there is no God, because that is your choice. It has nothing to do with logic. You should read the first two chapters of the Book of Romans in any version you choose. It very aptly states why God will show wrath one day. I personally don't care whether or not you agree or not with me, I don't have to answer for you......Just read what I suggested and you will know why you believe whatever you do or don't believe....Merry Christmas!

        December 18, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Sage

          Utterly false claims you've made there, vinster. In Santa had good support and reason for what he said. Better read it again, dummy, before you do more chewing on your cloven hooves.

          December 18, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
        • James K

          Do you "choose" not to believe in vampires, elves, or unicorns, or are you simply unconvinced by all the claims that they exist, like we atheists are about all the claims that some god exists? Hell, you're probably unconvinced that 99.999% of all the gods ever existed, right? If you can understand why you dismiss these other gods you will begin to understand why we dismiss yours.

          December 18, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
      • Religion is NOT healthy for children and other living things

        Vinster, You and Opposing View can continue to delude yourselves that there is ANY SHRED of actual "evidence" to support a single bit of myth about your imaginary god an his imaginary son for as long as you wish, but your "wishful thinking" will never make any of it TRUE! I realize that it makes you feel better to engage in pointless magical thinking, but NONE of it will ever amount to anything more than common fiction. Get over it ! The sooner you admit the truth, the sooner you can release your tormented mind to comprehend REALITY!

        December 19, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • vinster76

          Dear "Religion is NOT healthy for children and other living things": Listen up: "the fool says in his heart, there is no God" – that about sums it up.....again, Merry Christmas!

          December 19, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
      • Opposing View

        Sage… You are incorrect. All In Santa offered was just lies and denials and not a shred of truth. Which is what atheists are apt to do since they have no God to keep them moral, and nothing to constrain them to keep them honest. The first rule of an atheist is to deny everything. And that is all In Santa has done – issue a stream of denials. And all your doing yourself is just lying to cover up for him. So typical of an atheist. Nothing to see here…

        James K… We already know why you dismiss our God. That is no mystery. You dismiss it because you're of the devil and is because you love sin. You don't "want" there to be a God so that you can continue doing what you are doing. As for your mention of vampires, elves and unicorns, your comparison is nonsense. Most grade schoolers are able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, and between what is unreal and what is real, so why can't you…

        Religon is not healthy… It is you who is deluded. Evidence has already been provided (see Atheists Lie #1). And deluding yourself that there is no evidence is still a delusion…

        December 19, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Opposing

          The truth is posted here daily – you just won't believe it.

          In fact it is the believers who are in denial. They claim that the Genesis creation myth is correct even though our scientific knowledge tells us otherwise – evolution, Big Bang, and much more. They say that scientific method is not valid, yet happliy employ technology produced by research based upon that method: vaccines, computers, internet, satellite TV, GPS, etc.
          The only denial on my part is of your Bronze Age superstitions which have been discredited.

          'Most grade schoolers are able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality", and yet you can't – there is no more verifiable evidence for a god than there is for a unicorn or a vampire.

          No matter how much you dance and wriggle it is you who are deluded. Delusion is belief in something in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. All you have is the believer's circular logic – the bible confirms god and the bible must be accurate as it's the word of god. We know Genesis is incorrect and without it the foundation of your religion goes. If you have any evidence for a god or your god, present it. You're the ones making extraordinary claims (that a supernatural being for which there is no evidence created the universe) so the burden is on you to provide the evidence. All we get is the attempt to discredit science as if that somehow is evidence for creationism.

          December 19, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
        • Opposing View

          In Santa… You stated… "…our scientific knowledge tells us otherwise"…

          Answer: That is your problem. The so-called scientific knowledge you have is of the devil. It is earthly, sensual and devilish. And it is not of God. It is a well-known fact that the vast majority of the scientific community are atheists. And Lucifer controls all atheists (he controls anyone who is not saved). Therefore, Lucifer controls the scientific community. And he uses them like pawns to deceive you. So all you have are lies. And all you're offering is the devil. And you have no argument…

          Science is good but only up to a point. The moment science starts making you disbelieve in God, then there's a problem with science…

          James 3:15 – This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly sensual, devilish...

          1 Corinthians 3:19 – For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God…

          -

          You stated… "All you have is the believer's circular logic"…

          Answer: What people like you call "circular logic" is nothing more than the truth you cannot defeat. So thank you for acknowledging that fact. Nonetheless, people like you are full of lies and you keep telling the same old lies over and over again. The bible is true not because I says it, and not because the bible says it, but rather because Jesus Christ the Son of the living God says it. End of story. You've long been well aware of that truth but yet keep telling the same old lies. Just like an atheist. And all liars shall have their part in the lake…

          -

          You stated… "if you have any evidence for a god or your god present it"…

          Answer: Such evidence has long been presented (and you know that) only the atheists have long rejected it. To lie in the face of irrefutable proof (the existence of Jesus Christ) is some nerve indeed, even for an atheist. But it will not save you...

          December 20, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Opposing,

      "So even atheists trust and believe in things every day, things for which they haven't a shred of proof. So why can't they trust in God? And why can't they believe in the preacher? Answer: It is because they don't "want" to, that's why. There is no other reason. If they say there is some another reason, they're a liar…"

      This logic is so bad it's a bit depressing. Why not believe in God? Why not believe in lerechauns I would ask you? In small beatles controlling the mass media? In monsters under your bed? Does one believe in just any random idea thrown at him or her? No. You want evidence – quality evidence. Where the non-believer disagrees is on the matter of whether evidence worthy of belief exists. When we eat food we work on probabilistic evidence. Most humans are not poisoned and the odds of being poisoned are, for most, lower than the odds of go ing bakrupt testing all of one's food for poison. If you are a head of state the calculation may be different.

      December 19, 2013 at 8:57 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Lie #1 – I believe there was a radical Rabbi who called out the Jewish clergymen on their bureaucratic nonsense and who wanted to take God to the gentiles. I don't believe he was supernatural.

      Lie #2 – Christ's teaching are arguably the most extraordinary in history if only for the way in which they have faithfully been reproduced by countless scribes in almost every language for 2000 years. All of the supernatural elements in the story that you list are mythological archetypes in the mythologies of other gods.

      Lie #3 – Disproving a positive statement is not the same as proving a negative.
      You're playing at semantics here. It is not completely impossible to prove a negative – it is just prohibitively, vastly, incredibly difficult. If you say "there is no life anywhere but Earth", you'd have to have surveyed every single planet in the entire Universe to provide proof of your statement's accuracy.

      Lie #4 – In general, non-believers don't think faith (in the religious sense) is a virtue whereas religion is predicated on faith. The willing suspension of critical thinking required to accept a proposition despite a lack of evidence (or evidence to the contrary) is anathema to the skeptical mind. Faith in your fellow man (including preachers) is indeed important becuase without faith there is no reciprocity in your relationships – and relationships are important. Having faith that your preacher is legitimately trying to do good is not the same as suppressing rational analysis so as to have faith that what he says is fact.

      Lie #5 – When I am a passenger on a plane or when I order food from a restaurant, I have a reasonable expectation of safety, not blind faith. I know, for instance, that there are professional, educational and legal requirements for becoming a pilot or a food handler. I know that there are safeguards in place to punish those who violate those requirements. I therefore know that it is in the pilot or food handler's best self-interest to execute their duties in a professional matter. This doesn't mean that I have faith that said safeguards are always effective, but I have a reasonable expectation based on personal experience that the likelihood of danger is low.

      If belief in God and hope for posthumous reward/fear of posthumous punishment are the hallmarks of morality, how do you explain the results of the Journal of Religion & Society's study on religious belief and social well-being?
      It compared18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand.
      #1 on the list in both atheism and good behaviour is Ja.pan.
      It is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation. Over eighty percent of the population accept evolution.
      Last on the list is the U.S. It has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Ja.pan.

      Morality is a covenant by and for human beings that allows us to live as a cooperative group. The rules followed are not the same for all communities – hence we've had so many different types of religion and government throughout history.

      December 19, 2013 at 9:37 am |
      • Sue

        Careful, Doc!
        Calling Jesus "Christ" implies that you acknowledge his divinity, right?

        December 19, 2013 at 9:44 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          I didn't use it as a ti/tle, as in "Jesus The Christ".
          If I refer to John Smith, that doesn't mean I'm saying that the dude is a metal worker.

          December 19, 2013 at 9:50 am |
      • Opposing View

        Doc…

        RE Lie #1 – You're welcome to your opinion but your opinion means nothing. By the way, the scriptures state that all who disputes Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is a deceiver and an antichrist. We already knew you were antichrist, so nothing to see here…

        RE Lie #2 – Once again, just denials without a shred of proof to back up those denials. Nothing to see here…

        RE Lie #3 – You state "Disproving a positive statement is not the same as proving a negative." You're a liar. It is the same. And no amount of twisting the truth will change it…

        RE Lie #4 – There is no difference between faith in a non-religious sense, and faith in a religious sense. The only thing which differs is the object you have faith in. All else you said is nonsense and immaterial…

        RE Lie #5 – What you call reasonable expectation of safety and blind faith are the exact same thing. You can lie and say that it isn't, but that only makes you a liar. Which we already know that you are. Nothing to see here…

        December 19, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Opposing
          "Disproving a positive statement is not the same as proving a negative."

          OK so prove that Vishnu does not exist.

          December 19, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          I've been called many thing son this blog, but this is the first time antichrist has been lobbed at me.
          Upon reading your rebuttal, I can't shake the mental image of an 10 year old altar boy sticking his fingers in his ears saying "nuh-uh mr. stupid-face."

          December 20, 2013 at 8:16 am |
  9. dreamhunk

    Santa the Moor
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7FnTGU0-3A&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
  10. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6wuc2R1_Mo&w=640&h=390]
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7FnTGU0-3A&w=640&h=390]
    Santa the MOOR!

    December 18, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
  11. Bill Nye The Science Guy Interview on Real Time with Bill Maher - 9/13/2013

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSt9dYsQMi0&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • dreamhunk

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5JnnWvgRjg&w=640&h=390]

      December 18, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • dreamhunk

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYXE3tnXVKo&w=640&h=390]

      December 18, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • dreamhunk

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMepcFS9Ofs&w=640&h=390]

      December 18, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
  12. ryanwin

    Anyone who thinks when Jesus comes again he will be any color other than white has not read the bible. Revelation 1:14 states "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;"

    December 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
    • Amalek slayer

      I guess somebody can read, it seems like people are ignoring that his description is in the bible, cats out the bag white people, your white supremacy which is based on millions of lies, this being one of your main ones is fading just like colombis discovering america did, give it up please, your really looking pathetic, ever heard of throwin in the towel, you will still be on top until he returns anyway, thats why the bible tells you to live it up now Lamentations 4:21, as you whites now call ot YOLO, soon your be done and will be in captivity, Revelations 13:10, and please dont call that symbolism too, thats pretty plain!

      December 18, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • Santa Claws

      White haired senior citizen? By the time of the second coming, he ought to be.

      December 18, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
  13. Truth Today

    For Megan to state such shows her stupidity. The color of Jesus or Santa Clause are non issues. Her response only highlights how race has skewed our judgment toward stupidity.

    December 18, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
  14. dreamhunk

    Santa Claus is a shortened form of San/Saint Nicholas. He is supposed to be this easy-go happy fat Nordic fellow (Pale skin man) from the North pole yelling ho..ho..ho.. and as he merrily brings the cheer of the Christmas season to all and sundry.

    Who is the real Saint Nicholas?

    Nicholas, was probably born during the third century in the village of Patara, in what is now the southern coast of Turkey. He was born of very wealthy ethnic black Anatolians of the ancient Roman Empire. He was one of those ancient and dominant black Muurs of Europe that you only fleetingly come across in today’s western history, because the Gothic Europeans would hide the true Muurish history in Europe.

    St Nicholas

    Nicholas’ wealthy parents, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Being a devout Christian, he followed the words of Jesus to “sell what you own and give the money to the poor.”

    Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He was made the Bishop of Myra while still a young man.

    The high office of Nicholas at such a young age speaks to dominant role played by Muurish black Anatolians and Africans in creating the church as we know it today.

    It is a historical fact that most of the early and very famous bishops of the church, who lived and gave their lives for the church were either Muurish Africans or Muurish diaspora.

    The Icon of Muurish Apostle of Christ St Peter

    Saint Peter
    The icon of Peter the first apostle depicted as a Muurish black man in Rome

    Archbishop John Chrysostom, Pope Leo the Great 400-469 AD, Pope Mithilades, Bishops of Rome, Saint Peter the Bishop of Alexandria 300 – 311 AD and innumerable Saints and Matrys were all Muurish people of African descent.

    Generosity of San Niclaus

    Bishop Nicholas was known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.

    Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned.

    After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325, where he worked with other early fathers of the church to establish the standardized christian doctrine of today.

    The passing of the real Santa Claus

    He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave.

    In the picture here that follows, one sees the funeral of St Nicholas.

    Funeral of Saint Nicholas

    The discovery of this liquid substance, which was said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar).

    The fake snow-flakes they call Santa Claus

    Today, the western pagans descendants of Gothic and Slavic conquerors of Rome and Christianity have built up an idolatorous image of Odin, the god of the Goths and the Norsemen, and have passed it off as the real Saint Nicholas.

    The real St Nicholas

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/santa-claus-was-a-black-muurish-european/

    December 18, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
  15. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_JwQk4QBc&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 6:07 pm |
  16. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPF0FYdEt8&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • Sue

      I wonder if he would have been stopped if he were a white kid?

      December 19, 2013 at 9:48 am |
  17. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa1zyH42kxA&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
  18. dreamhunk

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XmIDnqEic&w=640&h=390]

    December 18, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
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