Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?
Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers - they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Belief Blog Editor

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  1. Doris

    Poster Opposing View below attempts to give proof that being gay is a choice. And the alleged source of this comes from Paul, the Joseph Smith of his day – the one who goes on and on about much of the "magic" in the NT will little beyond unnamed "witnesses" and stories of unknown authorship.

    If Opposing View would get up to date and read last December's Quarterly Review of Biology, they might know they are completely off base thinking being gay is a choice. Biologists and psychologists alike are now seeing eye to eye on the issue – gene modification – very early in development – resistant to change. It's actually not new science. Scientists have studied this phenomenon for quite some time all across nature.

    Christians, on the other hand, do not see eye to eye about very much at all when it comes to telling people how to live.

    According to many of them, I could:

    -join one Lutheran sect who still officially categorizes the Pope as the Antichrist.

    -join the RCC and help spread disease (because of the unrealistic stance on contraception).

    -join a sect who would rather me let my sick child die rather than seek medical care.

    -join an SBC church who tries to keep women subservient and quiet.

    -join a sect in Mexico that still sacrifices people.

    -join a sect that believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    -join a sect that believes Americans are being killed at war because America is tolerant of homosexuals and the goes out and protests at their funerals.

    -join a sect that believes the OT is superseded by the NT

    -join a sect that believes that the NT brings along all of the OT law

    It's insanity and it all stems from unnamed "witnesses", unauthored ancient texts, and the man who was the Joseph Smith of his day.

    December 25, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • hearties

      Phil did say that he's sinned in the past, and he now accepts Jesus Christ of Nazareth's ability to forgive his sins, to save him from past sins.

      If Phil was to follow the route of those kicking him off the show, he would be twisting the verses to say all his past sins, which he enjoyed, were not wrong. Instead Phil does the "unthinkable" (for some), he admits they're sins, and moves forwards to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and tries not to sin any more. Phil is giving them an example, himself, but they don't want to give up the sinning.

      December 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
  2. Opposing View

    More Proof Why Being Gay is a Choice…

    Galatians 5:19 – Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness (this includes gay se-x acts), lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like (meaning this is not a complete list): of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God….

    Colossians 3:5 – Mortify (means to kill out or stop doing) therefore your members (those evil acts you are doing ) which are upon the earth (meaning, in your flesh, God made your flesh from the earth); fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concup-iscence (means, evil se-x acts), and covetousness, which is idolatry:…

    Although Galatians provides a partial list, the above scripture in Colossians adds to that list of things which are in your flesh – fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, etc. And because those things are part of the flesh, that means that everybody on earth, male or female, old or young, feels those same temptations in their flesh. You were not created different or gay. Instead, everybody on earth feels those same temptations pulling at them in their flesh. Yet, despite the temptation, not everybody gives in to it. Everybody on earth has felt the temptation to steal, but not everyone becomes a thief. Everybody on earth has felt the temptation to lie, but not everyone becomes a liar. Likewise, everybody on earth has felt the temptation to be gay, but not everyone becomes gay. It's that simple. You become gay by giving in to that temptation, by giving in to that spirit. And no one forces you or holds a gun to your head and makes you do it. Instead, you choose to do it, and choose to give in to that feeling of your own free will. To say that God made you gay, is just like a thief saying that God made him a thief. Or a liar saying that God made him a liar. Or a fornicator saying that God made him a fornicator. To say such things is a lie. God did not create any of those people that way. Instead, each of those people chose to do those things of their own free will. And it is the very same way with being gay. If you say otherwise, then you are a liar. And you are a lair of your own free will….

    God's commandments against being gay are all over the bible. It is in many places, you just have to know where to look. For example, what do you think the word "evil concup-iscence" means above? It means "evil se-x acts". That is what that word means. And what gays do are evil se-x acts. The word "uncleanness" also encompas-ses being gay, because gay se-x is nasty and unclean. Using your mouth is unclean. Going in the wrong hole is unclean. You cannot deny it. That is why the scriptures say, "Marriage is honorable, and the bed is undefiled, but wh-oremongers and adulterers, God will judge". God created marriage between a man and a woman so that you could get married and your se-x acts would be "clean" before God. There is nothing nasty about se-x when it is between a man and his wife. But when you commit se-xual acts outside of what God has prescribed, then it is nasty and evil and unclean. And God will most certainly judge you. And it can send your soul to hell. And remember, all liars are going to hell too. And the people who say that being gay is not a choice (inferring that God made them that way and made them gay) they are liars…

    December 25, 2013 at 2:03 am |
    • midwest rail

      O.V. has to be Apple. After that suggestion was made and seconded, the entire thread disappeared.

      December 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • Observer

      Opposing View,

      Please list your educational background and professional knowledge of psychology and psychiatry to show that you have ANY expertise in this area.

      Still waiting to hear if you have a CLUE about it

      December 25, 2013 at 2:12 am |
      • lol??

        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        The Butler did it.

        December 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • Damocles

      That makes no sense. At all.

      Look, I understand that you are very boring, have no life and want to flog everyone with the whips that you use on yourself, but understand this: You are a tiny, scared-of-the-world person and I use the term 'person' strictly out of courtesy.

      This hate that you hold near and dear to your heart is nothing new and make no mistake that it isn't anything other than hate. It is not trying to help someone out of decency, and it is certainly not love in any way, shape, or form. It is a personal hate that you hold for whatever reason and you are a petty coward for trying to hide behind some misguided belief that there is some powerful being that is as petty and cowardly as you that has your back.

      I find it utterly ridiculous that you think people struggle so mightily, day in and day out, with all of these issues. That you think people fret about whether or not to be liars, or good, or gay speaks volumes about a day in the life of OV. 'Oh gosh, do I do bad things today, or good? I have this project due at work, but I'm just so torn as to whether or not I want to be gay today and I simply must come to a descision'. I can only imagine you are bald from ripping your hair out as your frustration reaches its boiling point.

      I don't care that you hate and I don't care that you contradict yourself in the space between the first and last word of your posts, but at least have the decency to understand that it is simply your own hates given voice inside your head and admit to that fact.

      December 25, 2013 at 4:20 am |
    • sam stone

      Wow, a cut and paste...very convincing, OV

      Now, boy, go home and get your fvcking shinebox

      December 25, 2013 at 7:23 am |
    • truthprevails1

      OV: Thank you for showing once again that bigots still exist. Most rational minded, educated people understand that being gay is no more of a choice than being left-handed is. Using a 2000+ year old book that has never been updated to justify your hate and 'ick' factor of LGBT is a sad display of 'love' from your side and most definitely turns most away.
      Seek an education outside of your book and learn some tolerance.

      December 25, 2013 at 7:57 am |
    • midwest rail

      " Likewise, everybody on earth has felt the temptation to be gay,..."
      Absolutely HAS to be trolling. It is just simply not possible for anyone to be this stupid.

      December 25, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • Kebos

      @Opposing View – Wow, that's some proof you have there. The only proof you have provided here is that you're gullible and significantly impressed by what other humans write. Advice to you, OV. Rejoin this discussion when the wizard of oz gives you a brain to think with!

      December 25, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      o "Abrahamics" like the Robertson family believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

      To wit:

      1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

      “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

      2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

      3. See also the From the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

      "Most scientists who study human se-xuality agree that gay people are born that way. But that consensus raises an evolutionary puzzle: How do genes associated with h-omose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?"

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Gay-gene-deconstructed.html - REQUIRED READINg

      December 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Trey

      And yet you actually provided no proof whatsoever.
      Mainly because it isn't a choice. Do pist some proof instead of Bible verses. I'll wait.

      Actually, no I won't. You've got nothing.

      December 25, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
  3. Sandy

    Robertson: "I would rather be packing heat than packing fudge."

    December 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • tony

      A hand gun is a toy you can't use, and only not a toy if you do.

      That's why none of us can have a working armed tank. Just same stupidity on a larger scale.

      December 24, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Ima Mooreon

      Good one.

      December 24, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
  4. Dyslexic doG

    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the pagan Saturnalia festival hoping to recruit the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.

    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday. The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth. The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus. This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.

    Christianity: centuries of shameless fraud on a grand scale.

    December 24, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • james

      doG, now you sound like a true Christian since we do not celebrate pagan holidays and even Jesus said that the only day that should be observed was the day of his death and that is recorded for us as on the eve of the first full moon after the spring equinox better known as the passover. Thanks, j

      December 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • Bibletruth

        The only day we are to observe is the day of his death? Well, OK, not everyone reads the bible, but it would be a blessing to you if you did. Re a day: read the fourth commandment. It starts as follows: Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy...Jesus stated He was Lord of the Sabbath day (and that is why the sabbath is also the Lord's Day)....Jesus also said If you love me keep my commandments. Jesus was a Sabbath Keeper, as were the Apostles. There is not so much as a hint in all scripture for Sunday keeping/ worship (except by heathens). Anyone who loves God should honestly check this out. It will be THE issue for the end time, under the general umbrella of true worship and false worship.

        December 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
        • james

          just checked back and wonder why everyone is so hung up on this gay thing since I said nothing about gays like Jesus and I do look forward to a good discussion on the hope set before All of us in the scriptures and that is what Jesus did talk about, Good News of a hope of eternal life on a paradise earth for ANY who really want it. All these other little petty points are just for building our faith in a loving Creator that wants the best for us. Like I said before the Law is summed up at Matthew 22:37-40. so check it out and keep peace with each other, j

          December 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
        • Maddy

          Goid, James, then you will not have any problem with discarding the OT laws pertaining to gays; Jesus himself said not one word about gays.

          December 24, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
        • james

          also have to go but really enjoyed this and will look for you all later, keep the faith, thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
        • james

          Jesus came to fulfill the Law and gave two commandments to follow at Matt.22:36-40. we are no longer under the Mosaic law.

          December 24, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
        • Maddy

          Probably because this article is about a man who conflates gays with bestiality and uses the Bible to support his views. If he had stuck with Mathew 22:36-40, there would be no controversy.

          December 24, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
      • Observer


        Please quote the verse.

        December 24, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
        • james

          I answered his question and as far as Jesus saying anything about gays I do not believe I said anything about that since he did not that I know of but he did point out that his returning to bring about the end of this system is compared to "the time of Noah" and "the time of Lot" see Matt.24:37-40 and Luke 17:26-30 and we know why those times were mentioned so keep up what you want to do and I will do what I choose, thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
        • Oh noes

          Observer, James is a JW. They don't believe in celebrating birthdays. Or life-saving blood transfusions.

          James, he asked for the specific verse where Jesus said not to celebrate his birthday. While you're at it, exact chapter and verse where Jesus denounced gay people.

          December 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
        • james

          Jesus and his apostles celebrated the passover every Nisan 14 and told what to do as a memorial of his death and this is the only event he commanded his followers to memorialize. It is known as the Lord's Supper or the Lord's Evening Meal and since they observed this annually it is only fitting when he said "keep doing this in remembrance of me" that we would do the same. You may want to look up Luke 22:19; 1 Cor.11:20, 26, Eccl.7:1 and surrounding verses that explain how it was observed. It is also spoken of in Matt, Mark, and John .The principle that Jesus followed in Eccl.7:1 where I quoted earlier is certainly applicable here. Many other passages explain more detail why we believe this but i hope this helps if you are serious. thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
        • Observer


          Who were worse: the people of Sodom or the people of Jerusalem?

          December 25, 2013 at 12:23 am |
  5. torah4today

    trying this a third time. apparently some moderator doesn't want you all to know that Scripture has more to say about this topic than the Corinthians verse referenced in the article. Try the 3rd book of the "Old" Testament, eighteenth chapter, towards the end. I doubt the article's author could apply any amount of objective exegesis to explain away those verses!

    December 24, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Candiano

      Leviticus? The book for Levite priests?

      December 24, 2013 at 11:46 am |
      • torah4today

        try reading it, Candiano, and you'll see that it's not just for the priesthood. some sections are, yes, but many of the commandments are for the general population.

        December 26, 2013 at 7:59 am |
        • Candiano

          Read it, dear. And guess what? It's for Israelites. Still not pertinent. Fail.

          December 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • torah4today

      perhaps there is a filter on certain words – trying to post the actual verses again w/o the word ess-ee-ex in it...

      22 “‘Do not have s–ual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

      23 “‘Do not have s–ual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have s–ual relations with it; that is a perversion.

      24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.

      December 24, 2013 at 10:17 am |
      • Sharon

        The Word of God is quit clear it's man that has the problem. The bible calls it rebellion. If you choose not to see the truth you won't sin deceives & leaves man in darkness. Thank you for your post.

        December 24, 2013 at 11:28 am |
        • sam stone

          the word of man, sharon

          December 24, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      whine much?

      December 24, 2013 at 9:56 am |
  6. RLF

    It is time to stop making stupid people famous

    December 24, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • hearties

      It's hard to imagine given the numbers, but Phil's going along talking and 12 million people were hearing him say Jesus. 12 million. And 2000 years ago, Jesus found 12 guys and they heard Jesus talking... just 12. Later, Jesus was talking to 5000 at once, maybe more. But over 2000 years... Phil can speak and tell 12 million at once, with re-runs, telling everyone that tunes in, that he believes Jesus, and they should too. 12 million each time he said it. The producers didn't like it and they bleeped it out, then tried to cut Phil out. It won't matter, the 12 million heard it, and they'll remember it. Jesus, that they need to believe Jesus, and stop sinning. Phil did a good job telling them. Hopefully he keeps right on telling them.

      December 24, 2013 at 5:34 am |
      • Candiano

        They haven't censored his speech on or of the show.

        Hopefully, he'll shut up. Gays don't "morph" into bestiality.

        December 24, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        I think this is about his interview. As far as I know A&E have not bleeped out religious references.

        December 24, 2013 at 10:11 am |
        • hearties

          "Now that A&E has come to understand how the family acts and how serious they are about their religious convictions, though, the fake bleeping and cutting of Jesus' name has ended."


          The producers didn't want to offend anyone... other than Jesus, and those that love him.

          December 25, 2013 at 3:21 am |
        • Chris

          A&E had NEVER bleeped out Jesus's name...Briebart lied. Get real.

          December 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
      • Free Holiday Nuts

        Spam works that way.

        December 24, 2013 at 9:05 am |
  7. SgtRock101

    The letter by Paul to the Corinthins cannot supercede the words of Jesus Christ when he said, Love one another as you would love yourself, Do unto one another as you would have done to you; Let he who is without sin cast the first stone; and judge not least ye be judged. Paul got it wrong. Christ always has it right. Any pastor or religious person of any level who can not understand Christ is superior to the deciples then, ...........This is what happens when the uneducated in theology attempt to interpet the new testament. Enormous error that often lead to conflict result.

    December 24, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • torah4today

      do you realize that when Jesus said that, He was quoting the "Old" Testament? Also, if you read a bit further, He stated that the two great commandments were a summary of ALL the law (Torah) and the Prophets. He was basically confirming everything in the "Old" Testament. "New" Testament statements regarding "Scripture" were referring to the "Old" Testament, as the "New" Testament had not been written yet.

      So, if you are willing to follow Jesus on these two great commandments, then please look at the source and see what goes along with it!

      36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

      37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

      c.Matthew 22:37 Deut. 6:5
      d.Matthew 22:39 Lev. 19:18

      December 24, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • MIKE D

      No sir, YOU got it wrong. You seem to have a 'red-letter' approach to Scripture. In other words, if Jesus said it, then it's the truth, but that the apostles and others'words in the Bible don't carry the same weight or that they even have it wrong. #1- that means you don't believe in the Word of God as being infallible(the Bible teaches that all Scripture indeed is infallible, NOT only the words of Jesus; the Holy Spirit inspired all of Scripture thru several men and women. #2- Jesus quoted often from the Old Testament. In other words, though Jesus didn't speak in the OT, Jesus confirmed that those that did, spoke the truth-meaning the words of the OT were written by men, but the words came from God. (men were an instrument- a means to an end, but God was the author). I'm afraid that your argument holds no merit. It's based on the presumption that you basically can pick and choose which Scripture you WISH to be true, while discrediting Scriptures that don't agree with your own self-centered opinion. Your argument is baseless (which is no argument at all!).

      December 24, 2013 at 3:07 am |
      • Observer

        MIKE D,

        EVERYONE picks and chooses from the Bible. That's why you likely don't support slavery like the Bible does.

        December 24, 2013 at 3:14 am |
        • lol??

          Your comment is awaiting moderation.
          Socie talk. Look at the national debt if ya wanna see slavery, big time, courtesy of the "Wegodians".

          December 24, 2013 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
          Your comment is awaiting moderation.
          GI Rock sir, Peter considered Paul's doctrines as scripture. That means they were inspired by Jesus. No superman, supersessions needed. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

          December 26, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • Observer

      Amen. Someone who tries to follow the Golden Rule.

      December 24, 2013 at 12:36 am |
      • lol??

        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        The Frankfurt School turned the "golden rule" into the golden calf. Pwogwess.

        December 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
  8. Reality # 2

    "Abrahamics" like the Robertson family believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way. For added details, see p. 65 of the commentaries.

    December 24, 2013 at 12:17 am |
  9. jsreeder1

    I wrote a blog awhile back. I have been afraid to publish it until now. But in light of these recent events, I feel the time is right.


    December 23, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
  10. Dan

    Just to be "straight" if I hold to a biblical taught view on the Bible, I should stay in the closet, right?

    December 23, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • JJ

      Yes, and prepare to roast in flames for eternity. Enjoy hell.

      December 23, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
      • sam stone

        gee, where would christianity be with christians blathering empty proxy threats?

        December 24, 2013 at 5:58 am |
        • sam stone

          without, those empty proxy threats

          December 24, 2013 at 5:59 am |
      • midwest rail

        Slow roasted or broiled ?

        December 23, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
        • JJ

          Whichever is most painful.

          December 23, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
  11. brooks

    phil got it right, but when it comes right down to it, most reject Jesus and His Word!!! Phil, I hope you can be as blunt to the females on the show about what the Bible teaches on womens outward adornment or lack of there of. Never seen the show, but saw a family picture and it seems that the ladies are still interested in drawing attention to their outward appearance.

    December 23, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • Shaweet

      Get real. These jackals pick and choose what Biblical commandments they'll follow.

      December 23, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
      • JJ

        All Christians pick and choose which verses they follow. Why do you think there are thousands of different denominations of the Protestant sect?

        December 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
    • Reed

      brooks, if they have your outward appearance, they would want to hide it. Lose some weight there yourself already, miss lovehandles.

      December 23, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
  12. pitifulatheist

    "The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth,"

    Whether the rumors about Corinth were true or not, even they were of Corinth or not, the HARD FACT is..it's the "the list of sins" still.

    December 23, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • Shaweet

      According to PAUL.

      Jesus never said WORD ONE about gay people.

      December 23, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
      • DM

        you say Jesus never said anything about gays, well at the judgement gays will find out what He has to say! just something to think about.

        December 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
        • sam stone

          judgement is a hoax

          fvck you and your empty proxy threats

          something to think about,

          December 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
        • Observer


          Jesus said, in effect, that the Golden Rule was more important than picking on gays. It's sad that so few Christians follow that.

          December 24, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Pete

      If you read the original hebrew bible the "list of sins" you are referring to have nothing to do with gays.

      December 23, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
      • Prothumos

        I'm confused.....by "original Hebrew Bible" do you mean the manuscripts that comprise the New Testment that were written in KOINE GREEK? There is no original Hebrew text of the New Testament.....

        December 24, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
  13. Sharon

    Wow talk about lies and deception this takes the cake! The Bible is a spiritual book and cannot be understood or appreciate by those that are spiritually DEAD! I have been studding the Word of God in the Greek & Hebrew. The culture and to whom it was written although it is just as relevant today and apply's today. You need revelation from God Himself. Dyslexic doG you are obviously lost and without understanding. Kind of like the blind leading the blind watch out for the ditch.

    December 23, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      wow, spiritually dead

      pretty scary

      for those who believe that tripe, that is

      December 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • james

      sharon, if you want to learn what the Bible really teaches go to jw.org and for no charge they will show you how the Bible from Genesis to Revelation makes more sense than you ever imagined and oh did I say No Charge.

      December 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
      • Des

        james, you are a liar, and you have been caught again at trying to sell your dangerous blood cult here. Note specifically the case I presented was one where the only solution on hand that would save the life was a blood transfusion. Blood-free surgery does not do the job there.

        Caught you again, you gutless, deceiving shill for your disgusting blood cult. Get lost, you criminal jerk.

        December 29, 2013 at 10:57 am |
      • Des

        james (jw), stop trying to sell your deadly blood cult here already and quit your pathetic website spamming. Caught you, you creep!

        Everyone, watch out for james/jw or whatever he is calling himself. Always the same; you can smell the sales pitch for his filthy death cult coming a mile away. Just pin him down by asking about blood transfusions for accident victims deathly short of blood, and then he'll go away eventually.

        December 23, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
        • Valerie

          Thanks, Des. I don't think he'll fool many.

          December 23, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
        • james

          wow! I did not realize how popular I was here and normally i would not respond to the negative but I will share an answer to your lack of knowledge about the future of medicine. look up "bloodless surgery or non-blood hospitals" and see the alternatives that have been produced and used to save lives and are being used by even the armed forces. Hospitals are being built and used for the safety and necessity of non-blood surgery. Also we are not going away any time at all so why not just have a serious discussion with one of us you may learn more about the future and the past.

          December 23, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • Piccolo

      That is your current belief, but you are seemingly stating it as fact. Nobody really knows if those ancient writings are true.

      December 23, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
  14. WOW

    Go PHIL GO!!

    December 23, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • Shaweet

      Blow Phil BLOW!!

      December 23, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
      • Christianity is nonsense

        Ha ha. You do have to wonder about all the time Phil spends in tents with his bros.

        December 23, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
    • Wow

      that wasnt me

      December 23, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
  15. Dyslexic doG

    If God is powerful enough to create the universe, don't you think he'd have a more foolproof way of getting his exact message across to future generations than this endlessly translated, edited, confused, modified, twisted, corrupted book of stories that is changed by religious power brokers to suit each generation?

    Wouldn't god's word be carved on the moon, unchangeable and for all to see? Wouldn't it be spoken unchanged by a species of animal? Wouldn't it be written microscopically on every stone or every tree? Wouldn't there be some space age material that had god's voice recorded, uncorrupted over the centuries and there for everyone to hear.

    Wouldn't there be parts of God's word that reflect computers or artificial intelligence or DNA or modern medicine or future medicine or electricity or space travel to other parts of this amazing universe he created? Wouldn't there be talk of gender and race equality? Wouldn't there be talk of Asia and Australia and the Americas and Europe and Africa?

    Instead the bible is limited to horses and carts and herbs and grain and swords and shields and misogyny and racism and slavery all set in the deserts of the middle east. The Bible is so obviously a product of bronze age man, you must be in denial to even argue that it is the word of god. There may or may not be a god or gods, but this book of bronze age voodoo and oppression has nothing to do with him, her or them.

    And stop it with this "not the word of god but words inspired by god" cop out. That just means it was written by greedy, evil men who got their way by claiming that god told them to do something. That's a self serving scam that should be scorned, especially by anyone claiming to love an omnipotent god. That scam is an abomination and an insult to your god ... as is the bible!

    December 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • Piccolo

      Great post. It also makes you wonder why he hasn't updated his word for the new generation in this technological world and for those that don't fully understand the meaning. You'd think either A: He's all powerful, so his word would not need to be updated or B: his word would logically need to be updated to conform with newer generations and the change in language over time. The fact that people have been arguing and killing over his existence and the various interpretations of the bible and Koran, shows that neither is true and god cannot be as described in the bible.

      When folks believe the bible, they are putting their faith in man over god. You can assume god inspired man to write it, but who's to say that same thing doesn't apply to scientology, mormanism, hinduism, the lord of the rings, or moby dick? It's a guess about perceived truth and the sooner the fundamentalists accept this, the better. I know many that accept god, plus evolution and everything else because they don't put the bible over everything, they understand that it's about a morality and a personal relationship with god (not necessarily material). Rational theists are becoming more and more prevalent as scientific denial is pretty much lunacy in this global age where information is readily available. Literalists are slowly becoming a thing of the past, so THANK GOD for that!

      December 23, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
      • Boris

        Nice of you to sneak a plug in for your own god belief there, little Picky, but it isn't supported by the rest of your text.

        December 23, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
  16. Bob

    BldrRepublican, no, you are the one who missed the point, and you lacked the fortitude to answer my question directly. So, the question again:

    How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

    December 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
  17. Deborah

    Leviticus 20:13 There is not mistaking or misunderstanding. Its pretty plain.

    December 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Pete

      You don't know the bible very well. Christians don't follow Leviticus and if you actually understood scripture you would know why.

      December 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
      • Sue

        Wake up call for you there, Pete: Atheists generally know the bible better than Christians do, and your vapid declaration with no support to back it up is just more evidence of that. You lose.

        December 23, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
        • David

          You're the loser Sue, Pete does have a valid point. Christians don't follow Levitcus anymore because it's the holy code for priests.

          December 24, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
      • JJ

        Christians don't follow 90% of the bible so what's your point?

        December 23, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
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