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Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?
Phil Robertson of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" has been suspended for his comments on homosexuality.
December 20th, 2013
11:23 AM ET

Does Phil Robertson get the Bible wrong?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) – The Robertson family of "Duck Dynasty" fame has rallied around its patriarch, saying his controversial comments on homosexuality are "grounded in the teachings of the Bible." But Scripture is fiercely contested ground, and some experts say Phil Robertson misinterprets a key Bible verse.

A&E, the network that broadcasts the hugely popular "Duck Dynasty" show, suspended Robertson for a now infamous interview with GQ magazine. In the article, Robertson, who became a born-again Christian in the 1970s after a prodigal youth, is asked to define "sin."

Here's what Robertson says: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

Robertson, 67, then paraphrases a Bible passage from the New Testament: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers they won’t inherit the kingdom of God.”

That's a pretty close citation of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which is a letter from Paul, often called the father of Christianity theology, to a fledgling Christian community in Corinth, Greece.

Here's what Paul's passage says, as rendered in the New International Version, by far the most popular translation among evangelicals and conservative Christians such as Robertson:

"Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Evangelicals, who make up about a quarter of the U.S. population, tend to take that passage at face value. The Robertson family pastor, for instance, told CNN on Thursday that "the verse explains itself."

Robertson himself is no religious neophyte. He's an elder in the White's Ferry Road Church of Christ and offers spiritual counseling, charity and Bible studies to many in his hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana, the family pastor, Mike Kellett told CNN.

The "Duck Dynasty" star also preaches around the country to conservatives that flock to hear his blend of woodsy, plainspoken Christianity.

Many conservatives backed Robertson's views on Scripture and homosexuality this week, if not the "crude" way he argued his point to GQ.

My Take: The Bible really does condemn homosexuality

But other Bible experts said the Scripture Robertson cited isn't quite clear about homosexuality.

"A lot of people misread this text because it's so complicated," said O. Wesley Allen Jr., an associate professor at Lexington Theological Seminary in Kentucky.

First, scholars say, we have to look at the context surrounding Paul's letter.

The Christian leader is trying to get the quarreling Corinthians to stop taking each other to civil courts and being judgmental. "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already," Paul says.

Things were supposed to be different after they became Christian believers, Paul continues; they were supposed to stop their sinful ways.

Then Paul lists some of their sins of the past, including greed, drinking too much, worshipping idols and sexual immorality. "That is what some of you were," Paul says. "But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The list of sins is likely based on rumors that Paul heard about Corinth, says Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania who has studied the Bible's teachings on homosexuality. Bible scholars call it a "vice list," and it appears several times in Scripture.

So what does Paul's "vice list" say about homosexuality? That's the tricky part.

The first word Paul uses is "malakoi," which means "soft" in Greek, according to Allen. By analogy, the word came to mean "effeminate," which is how the King James Version of the Bible translates it.

"In the ancient world, it would refer to a boy in a relationship with an older man," Allen said. "It was pederasty, not homosexuality as we think of it today."

The other relevant word on Paul's "vice list" is "arsenokotai," which means "male sex." It refers to the other half in the man-boy relationship, common in Greece at the time, Allen said, the older male having sex with the "soft one."

"It isn't anything to do with what we would see today in an intimate, mutual relationship between gay adults," said Allen, who is co-authoring an upcoming book on homosexuality and heterosexuality in the church.

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Even so, scholars such as Allen acknowledge there are no Bible passages that support same-sex relationships, and at least seven that appear to condemn gay sex.

"There's no way around the fact that those passages take a negative view of homosexuality, and nowhere in the Bible is a positive view offered," Allen said. "So conservatives and liberals continue to debate."

Liberals say that some parts of the Bible offered particular truths for a specific times and places but those times and places, as well as human understanding of sexuality, have progressed dramatically.

"The Bible may be divinely inspired, but its authors were human and saw, as St. Paul puts it, through a glass darkly," said Jim Naughton, a Christian gay rights activist and communications consultant. "On the subject of homosexuality, the Bible doesn’t mean what Phil Robertson thinks it means."

Conservatives such as Robertson, on the other hand, argue that the Bible is the bedrock of their faith, unchanging and unalterable. "We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word," the Robertson family said Thursday.

For decades, the gulf between the two sides has divided denominations, churches and families. To paraphrase Lincoln, both sides read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and both invoke his aid to argue against each other. Which is why our contemporary debate over homosexuality is so fierce, and so seemingly unending.

- CNN Belief Blog Editor

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  1. OBD

    I am surprised that no one has quoted the book of Jude...Enjoy

    December 27, 2013 at 7:21 am |
  2. OBD

    My comments are not showing up either...go figure....Most of these comments are to generate website hits so they keep this going. Its a Ploy CNN is using now. Most of you are arguing with people who are professional spin doctors and they are here to keep a topic alive. Just like Jesse Jackson is all washed up...He still has to bring himself out against stupid stuff that he knows Phil is right because Phil quoted from the scripture and spoke from his personal experience. But Jesse Needs to be out in the public so what better way to keep the public looking at you. Folks This Network is just generating hits...

    December 27, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • midwest rail

      Including yours....

      December 27, 2013 at 8:11 am |
      • lol??

        Rail, are you bothering other folks, too?? That's a trait of IL mobsters.

        December 30, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Joe Cool

      I agree with your comments about Phil and I think you may be on to something about this board being a ploy as my comments seem to not make it through also. And this is also a test to see if this goes through.

      December 27, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
  3. zbazy

    I've heard actors who are vegans rant about how disgusting it is to kill and eat animals. How much it sickens them to watch someone eat a rare piece of meat. I eat meat. I don't consider it a hate crime that someone is disgusted by it and says so on TV. That's their opinion, and it's their right to express it. I don't write letters to get them fired. Frankly, I don't need everyone in America to approve of what I do in my personal life and then try to "get even" with them if they don't. Time for GLAAD to accept there are many of us out here who are sickened by what they do. Get over it - we're not telling you to stop, we're just telling you we're sick of being forced to listen to you tell us we have no right to be sickened by it or, heaven forbid, SAY we're sickened by it. Live and let live, say what?

    December 27, 2013 at 2:47 am |
    • Observer

      zbazy,

      "Get over it – we're not telling you to stop, we're just telling you we're sick of being forced to listen to you tell us we have no right to be sickened by it or, heaven forbid"

      You obviously haven't been reading the comments. Please pay attention before commenting.

      December 27, 2013 at 2:57 am |
  4. lol??

    lol??
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    Socie talk. Look at the national debt if ya wanna see slavery, big time, courtesy of the "Wegodians".

    December 24, 2013 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
    lol??
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    GI Rock sir, Peter considered Paul's doctrines as scripture. That means they were inspired by Jesus. No superman, supersessions needed. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

    December 26, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
  5. lol??

    lol??
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    The Frankfurt School turned the "golden rule" into the golden calf. Pwogwess.

    December 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
  6. d taylor

    There are many false teachings concerning what a person must do to have eternal life and the false teachings all involve people adding works or placing their trust into other means.
    This is done by people taking verses from the Bible, out of context to make the verses fit their eternal life plan, not God's

    Besides simple Faith, Belief,Trust they add to their false attempt : Praying a sinners prayer, Walking a church aisle, Inviting Jesus into your heart, Baptism, Being sorry for your sins, Turning from your sins, Doing good works, Believing with a special kind of faith, Promising to serve God, Confessing Christ, Church Membership etc..

    When the Bible is crystal clear, eternal life is given to anyone who by simple Faith,Belief,Trust. Believe that Jesus is The Christ the promised Messiah and The Christ will give eternal life to all who will trust in His promise that anyone who believes in Him for eternal life will be given this life.
    Let the Bible speak for Itself :
    Verses from The Gospel of John
    1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
    3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
    3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
    3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    3:36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him.
    4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you had known the gift of God and who it is who said to you, ‘Give me some water to drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”
    4:14 But whoever drinks some of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up to eternal life.”
    4:39 Now many Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the report of the woman who testified, “He told me everything I ever did.”
    4:41 and because of his word many more believed.
    4:42 They said to the woman, “No longer do we believe because of your words, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this one really is the Savior of the world.”
    5:24 “I tell you the solemn truth, the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life.
    5:39 You study the scriptures thoroughly because you think in them you possess eternal life, and it is these same scriptures that testify about me,
    5:40 but you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life.
    6:28 So then they said to him, “What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?”
    6:29 Jesus replied, “This is the deed God requires – to believe in the one whom he sent.”
    6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. The one who comes to me will never go hungry, and the one who believes in me will never be thirsty.
    6:40 For this is the will of my Father – for everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him to have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
    6:47 I tell you the solemn truth, the one who believes has eternal life.
    6:50 This is the bread that has come down from heaven, so that a person may eat from it and not die.
    6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats from this bread he will live forever. The bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

    John
    20:30 Now Jesus performed many other miraculous signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
    20:31 But these are recorded so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

    December 26, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Walter Johnson

      We are all such great sinners, and what happens when we hear of Christ Jesus? Acts 2:36-39 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?” Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
      REPENT, : to feel or show that you are sorry for something bad or wrong that you did and that you want to do what is right. 1. : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life (Merriam-Webster) The Greek word translated "repent" means; to change one's mind, i.e. to repent...to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins.
      Of course we can not do any of this on our own but, "2 Timothy 1:8... according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

      December 27, 2013 at 3:18 am |
      • d taylor

        find repentance & baptism in The Gospel of John, it is not there and as John 20:30,31 says it is the only book of the Bible written to tell people how to have eternal life.

        John 20:30,31
        20:30 Now Jesus performed many other miraculous signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
        20:31 But these are recorded so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

        December 27, 2013 at 7:09 am |
      • d taylor

        Christ took away the sin of the world sin is no longer an issue unbelief and people relying on their actions for eternal life is the problem.
        John 1:29 On the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
        John 19:30 When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said, “It is finished” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

        Also besides Luke, John wrote more about repentance than any other author of the New Testament around 12 times in the book of Revelation. so John knew and understood about repentance. with that being said for John to leave repentance out of the Gospel of John shows he did not consider it a condition for a person in receiving eternal life.

        December 27, 2013 at 7:56 am |
        • sam stone

          sin is a man made concept that does not exist outside of the minds of believers

          December 27, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • Opposing View

        d taylor… You stated "find repentance and baptism in the Gospel of John. It is not there…"

        Answer: You are absolutely correct about that. It is not in John. But do you even know what you are saying? You are admitting to the the fact that the key and the formula of salvation is not written in the Book of John – but is only written in the book of Acts (Acts 2:38). Which is precisely what I informed you of previously. So why are you still clinging to the Book of John?….

        You also said "Christ took away the sin of the world, sin is no longer an issue, unbelief and people relying on their actions for eternal life is the problem…"

        Answer : You are WAY WAY wrong and you're not even close to the truth. Your actions, and any sins you commit, can indeed still send your soul to hell. Yes, the blood of Jesus Christ is able to cleanse a person of their sins, but the part you are overlooking is how is that accomplished? How do a person get their sins forgiven in this age? And what have you personally done to get your own sins forgiven? You're assuming it was a one time thing, that Jesus came and died and then suddenly everybody sins were forgiven, past, present and future. That's a lie and is not the case. For an unbeliever, forgiveness of sins beings ONLY when you follow the scripture Acts 2:38. Until that moment, your sins are NOT forgiven, and you are still bound for the lake…

        December 29, 2013 at 2:43 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          For an unbeliever sins don't exist anymore than the various concepts of God do. Sin isn't simply wrongdoing or evil as Christians depict. Sin is by definition the defiance of Gods' will. No God equals no sin. A system of morality based on secular humanism doesn't follow Bible precepts. Common sense and empathy for others are all that's required to live a life based on good behavior and fair and equal treatment of others.

          December 29, 2013 at 8:40 am |
        • Mantid

          Yeas but where did the morality come from??

          January 6, 2014 at 3:12 pm |
        • stevec

          Wrong doing as Christians see it, I thought it was God that defined sin. Maybe I 'm wrong.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:18 pm |
        • d taylor

          interesting that the only proof you have that i am wrong is that you say i am.

          No where have you ever proved your statements by scripture, but i have time after time shown verses, that shows eternal life is given by Faith alone in Christ alone.

          December 29, 2013 at 9:00 am |
        • d taylor

          AtheistSteve i know many unbelievers that believe sin exist

          December 29, 2013 at 9:34 am |
        • igaftr

          dtaylor.
          Then you know unbelievers that use the wrong word. No gods means no sin. They may be using the word sin incorrectly.

          December 29, 2013 at 9:47 am |
        • d taylor

          igaftr
          Actually it is a misunderstanding of the word believer and unbeliever. you and AtheistSteve are defining unbelievers as people who do not believe in God, but the word believer is a person who believes that eternal is given to them by placing their faith in The Christ.

          That The Christ is the promised Messiah (God took on the body of a human) and gives eternal life to all who will trust in Him for this life.

          many people are believers in God but few of those people are believers as defined in Biblical term's being that they are believers in The Christ for eternal life. and thoses same groups that believe in God and reject Jesus The Messiah are by the Bible defined as unbelievers but those same people if asked do believe in sin.

          take this person (Opposing View) posting here he believes in God but rejects Faith alone in Christ alone for eternal life. He is trying to establish his own righteous by doing things (baptism, repentance, obedience, commitment etc...) so by his comments here it sounds like he rejects Faith alone in Christ alone and if that is true he is an unbeliever along with anyone else who again seeks to establish their own righteous.

          so the term unbeliever is not just: unbeliever = atheist. It encompasses much more than just atheist from a Bible perspective

          December 29, 2013 at 11:47 am |
        • igaftr

          d
          Sin is a transgression againt divine law. If there are no gods, there is no divine, so no divine law, so no sin.

          I cannot sin, because there are no gods. I can do immoral acts. They are not sin.

          You use the word incorrectly.

          December 29, 2013 at 11:53 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          No true scottsman? Please.

          If you want to call some god believers "Unbeliever" because they don't judge and condemn exactly as you do, then feel free when ya'll have your little pot-luck luncheons on sunday afternoon after service, but in the real world, a person either believes that god exists or doesn't have such a belief. A muslim is a believer, as is a mormon, as is a Jehovah's Witness.

          December 29, 2013 at 11:56 am |
        • Opposing View

          d taylor… You are a complete and utter liar. I have proved EVERYTHING I have said to you – by scripture. Yet, all you have done is cling to some false truth you have regarding the Book of John. In my previous posts to you, is Acts 2:38 not scripture? Is Matthew 13:34 not scripture? Is Matthew 13:10 not scripture? You are a liar if you say that it is not. You're as bad as the atheists, if not worse. And your being in denial about it is not going to change it or save you. I have told you the truth. You can either accept the truth I have spoken, or you can continue on to hell. It matters not to me…

          "AtheistSteve", "lgaftr"… You guys are ridiculous and beyond hope. You're also bound for the lake. And once in the lake, you'll be able to debate that nonsense for the rest of eternity. And thank goodness you won't be around for me to have to listen to you…

          December 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Opposing View

          Suppose you were talking with a Muslim, and that Muslim claimed that he had PROVED "everything" he had said through the Koran. Would you accept his "proof" that is nothing more than his own scripture? Why or why not?

          Thanks.

          December 29, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
        • igaftr

          OV
          Since you are a poe, clearly not an actual believer I'll be brief.

          You violate time and time again one of your basic commandments whe you lie about my destination that you refer to as the lake. You do not know that I am going to hell, since you do not know if it exists, nor if I have done anything to warrent going there.

          I do have a nice retirement house on one of the many lakes in the USA, so when I retire, I will go to the lake....do some fishing, soem baoting etc....quite lovely there year round.

          As far as the lake you claim....nonsense taught to children. Grow up.

          December 29, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Cpt. Obvious… The Koran is not scripture. The Koran is nothing more than a book written by Muhammad, the founder of Islam, and is not of God. Whereas the bible itself was written by God. This is confirmed by Jesus Christ himself…

          A person's "proof" is only as good as the source of that proof. If the source of that proof is of the devil, then so is your proof...

          December 29, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
        • d taylor

          igaftr
          you are making yourself a god when you make a statement saying their is no God.
          No person can make an absolute statement like that, without first being God because that statement requires the maker to know everything (omniscient) when all you are doing is making an observation about evidence (if you believe it or not).

          You do not believe the evidence,1.That there is a God 2. That this God is the God of the Bible. all you can truthfully say is that you do not know if God exist. Truthfully you or anybody else can not say that God does not exist in an absolute statement.

          Cpt. Obvious
          i would expect no less of a comment like that from and unbeliever. Being that the Bible is just words on paper to you.

          December 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          So you're not going to answer my question?

          You want others to accept X from you as "proof," while you refuse to accept X as proof from someone else. (Where "X" = "the scripture text I consider to be god's holy word).

          Christian: I've "proved" it by my own scriptures
          Muslim: I've "proved" it by my own scriptures
          Christian: Don't accept Islamic scripture as proof of anything!! How foolish!
          Muslim: Don't accept Biblical scripture as proof of anything!! How foolish!

          December 29, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
        • Mantid579

          honest question for sceptics whether athesist or Christian- Can we agree that it's impossible to know 100% of most subjects? If either side could show proof of beyond a shadow of doubt, would you accept it?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
        • igaftr

          I am not making myself a god. That is ridiculous. It is my opinion that there are no gods as defined by any human ever. Is that better.
          It is not a definitve statement when I say there are no gods...it is an opinion, like when you say there are....opinion.

          There is no evidence that there are any gods, but in the infinite number of possibilities, some involve a god or "god", but again...no evidence whatsoever of any gods. There is a huge amount of evidence that men make gods in answer to his own ignorance.
          Why is the ground shaking, and the mountain smoking? ( MANY gods created to explain volcanoes)
          Why does the sky light up like that and make that enormous noise? ( many gods created to explain lightening)

          Yours is the same...Where does life come from ( many current gods created to explain the phenomena of life)

          Men create gods, and I do not believe ANY definition of any of the thousands of gods men have worshipped is sufficient.
          The god of the bible IS an impossibility. Either your god is all powerful and all knowiing and the bible had nothing to do with "him" OR your god is weak and doesn't even know that there was NEVER a world encompassing flood, We did not all descend from one genetic set, and a second set made from the first genetic set...impossible, and that you can't make striped goats by having mating pairs stare at striped objects....I mean come on....some of the bible is just plain silly.

          December 29, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Opposing View

          So you have absolutely nothing to offer the Muslim who considers the Koran to be god's holy scripture and the bible to be "of the devil" exactly as you view the koran? Interesting.

          When you and the muslims come up with a measurable way of determining which has "god's word," I'll look into it. Right now, the two of you just point fingers at the other side and make the exact same claims about your own scriptures and beliefs.

          December 29, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
        • d taylor

          Cpt. Obvious

          I answered your question just because you do not like the answer, again why would i want to elaborate on the Bible when in the first place you do not even believe in God and see no difference between muslim, catholic, mormon, etc.. again i am not here to prove God exist God is fully capable of doing that Himself.

          My message is if a person wants eternal life it is given to all who will place their trust in The Christ for the free gift of eternal life.

          if you want information on whether the Bible is the only true source of information about God and all other writing are not God inspired and just writing of man. you can go to the website below.

          http://www.faithalone.org/

          December 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
        • igaftr

          d t

          "My message is if a person wants eternal life it is given to all who will place their trust in The Christ for the free gift of eternal life."

          OR

          You can get into Valhalla if you die in glorious battle....

          OR

          You can get a great view from Mt. Olympus if you please Zeus....

          OR

          You can acheive enlightenment if you truly give up all desires and live a good life...

          OR

          You will be reincarnated as a higher being if you live a good life this time around, a worse one if you do not...

          OR on and on and on....many unfounded belliefs....and that is all they are...no evidence of ANY of them.

          December 29, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Cpt Obvious… Then you'll go straight to hell and will get your answer in hell. Both you and the Muslims already have all the proof you need. His name is Jesus Christ. You can accept that proof or reject it. If you reject it, then you shall continue on to hell….

          Matthew 12:39 – (Jesus speaking) "This generation seeketh for a sign, but there shall be none except the preaching of the gospel"…

          That same Jesus also said this –

          John 8:24 – (Jesus speaking) "If you don't believe that I am He, then you shall die in your sins"…

          Meaning, if you don't believe he is the Christ and the Son of the Living God, then you will die and go to hell. As no more proof shall you get…

          December 29, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          OV,

          And the muslim would say that you and I have all the proof we need in the pages of the Koran and the words of the Prophet (fhpa).

          Again, you have no tangible evidence. Nothing to verify that your opinion is correct...it all comes down to threats if people don't believe just like you...just like the muslims. Sad.

          January 1, 2014 at 12:33 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Christians are funny...

      The Bible: proof that gullible people will believe any dumbass thing that you tell them

      December 27, 2013 at 8:28 am |
      • fred

        Goes both ways Lucifer!
        It cuts like a two edged sword. Your heart is revealed in your reading of the Word just as my heart was revealed by the reading of the Word. One thing we have in common is that you are correct in that the Bible does reveal what "dumbazz" we are. After that however I know how much I need forgiveness for the dumb things I do whereas you do not think you need something greater than self to overcome that which has you in bondage.

        December 27, 2013 at 8:53 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          Thanks for all the religious double-speak dumbo-jumbo... Whatever ridiculous thing lets you sleep at night I guess...

          December 27, 2013 at 8:55 am |
        • fred

          You are somewhat correct in that I am comforted by the presence of God. If I am wrong then I have still been comforted by the presence of God. Exactly how you propose one escape the reality of God? Real or imagined you cannot and have not. Gads, you even take on the name of Gods most beautiful of angelic beings. Real or imagined God is with you.

          December 27, 2013 at 9:05 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          You are obviously insane and I have lost interest in you...

          December 27, 2013 at 9:10 am |
        • fred

          That is the view of self revealed as you hear the Word of God. Lucifer was cast down to earth from a very lofty place to crawl on his belly yet could not see truth. The evil twin of perfect goodness is evil perfected. That would not be you and could not be you but at least you have goals. Can you even explain to yourself what is accomplished by taking away hope from others?

          December 27, 2013 at 9:20 am |
        • sam stone

          god is not a reality, god is a fantasy

          December 27, 2013 at 9:30 am |
        • fred

          Sam Stone
          Like it or not we live under the influence of the Western World View which is God centered. That may change someday but at present it still remains. Even the worlds superpower remains a nation where the majority of people believe and every president ever elected was or claimed to be a strong believer.
          Sorry, that is reality not a fantasy of any kind.
          You should question how is it you are so wrong in your assessment. It is one who does not grasp reality that is considered delusional not those who see the world as it is.

          December 27, 2013 at 9:40 am |
        • sam stone

          a popular fantasy is still a fantasy, fred

          December 27, 2013 at 10:59 am |
        • sam stone

          "You should question how is it you are so wrong in your assessment. It is one who does not grasp reality that is considered delusional not those who see the world as it is."

          Back atcha, Freddie

          December 27, 2013 at 11:01 am |
        • fred

          sam stone
          No, you are missing the point. You cannot deny that our world remains and is dominated by the belief in God. Even atheists are subject to laws and disposition of a society (in U.S. for example) that believe in God. The Middle East is dominated by the Old Testament God of Abraham and Israel the God of Abraham. The conflict in the Middle East infects the globe. You cannot escape what is. Now, it really does not matter if God is a delusion (according to you) or not the impact remains the same and your reality as well as mine reflects God. End of story.

          December 27, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
        • sam stone

          It is dominated by a belief in god(s).

          Again, popular fanatasy is still fantasy

          December 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
        • sam stone

          Our reality is impacted by beliefs in god, either ours or others

          That does not mean that those beliefs are not fantasy

          December 27, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • fred

          sam stone
          Correct it does not matter if the object is fantasy or not. Reality is what actually is regardless of your opinion or my opinion. God is the only reality we have known and your belief and my belief regarding the object (God) does not change reality.

          December 27, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
        • Damocles

          I disagree. It is the belief in a deity that impacts our reality. It still does not make it real.

          December 27, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
        • sam stone

          "God is the only reality we have known"

          the belief in a god is not the same as god being real

          December 27, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
        • sam stone

          On 9/11, the reality of many people in this country was affected by those who believe in allah

          It is not same as allah being real

          December 27, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
        • fred

          Damocles
          "I disagree. It is the belief in a deity that impacts our reality. It still does not make it real."
          =>You are contradicting yourself. If belief impacts our reality then the object of our belief has impacted our reality. Exactly how do you separate the object of belief when belief is based upon the object and it is by faith that belief enters our reality. You are correct in that it is our belief that impacts reality. Reality includes the impact of that belief. There is absolutely no logical or reasonable way you can deny God (real or imagined) is evidenced by the creation which reflects the power of that living God.
          It seems atheists go to extreme in order to maintain non belief. Simply because atheists like to pretend they have no object as foundation for belief is not cause nor is it reasonable to insert their faith in no object (which cannot be seen) is somehow better than the object Christians place their faith. What hypocrites to base your belief in nothing based on faith then attack my belief by faith in what cannot be seen. Atheists and Christians have one thing in common as those of other faiths cannot see what we see by faith.
          =>Atheism and its belief in nothing has not made a noticeable impact on reality. Science in its various disciplines has made a significant impact by subtly instilling the belief that man can know and create what is needed to satisfy human desires. Given enough time there is no God needed according to this new belief. Until such time arrives God (real or imagined) remains the major force in shaping reality.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:06 am |
        • fred

          sam stone
          "On 9/11, the reality of many people in this country was affected by those who believe in allah. It is not same as allah being real"
          =>Allah is not real. Allah is the perversion of God in the same manner which the Jews perverted God by the time Jesus came. The Jews and Muslims denied Jesus was Lord then set out to destroy those who believed otherwise. The Bible reflects the history of man twisting the words of God to suit their own purposes and satisfy their own.desires. This was the warning from the Garden when the serpent asked "did God really say that".
          =>the belief in God is real and should not be confused with man running away with religions based on God yet confusing God who is with the god they want. It was that belief in God which was real and the militant Islamic sects twisting of God that was real on 9/11. God is real and brings about the purpose of creation through that creation as you have evidenced in your own comment.

          December 28, 2013 at 12:20 am |
        • sam stone

          "If belief impacts our reality then the object of our belief has impacted our reality"

          If one believes in something that isn't real, is it the belief or the object that is impacting our reality?

          "There is absolutely no logical or reasonable way you can deny God (real or imagined) is evidenced by the creation which reflects the power of that living God"

          There is no logical or reasonable way you can state that a creator HAS TO be synonymous with a God

          December 28, 2013 at 8:25 am |
        • sam stone

          "God is real and brings about the purpose of creation through that creation as you have evidenced in your own comment."

          And how have I "evidenced" this?

          December 28, 2013 at 8:27 am |
        • fred

          sam stone
          You stated "On 9/11, the reality of many people in this country was affected by those who believe in allah"
          =>this is your statement. Belief does impact reality even when it is a perverted belief.
          =>God is expressed though creation. In people we see the need to find God or explain God. That driving force to justify and put God in perspective with what we know and understand points to existence of God. This has been the consistent pattern of man since recorded history. To suggest it does not exist or is not a key part of the creation of mankind is nonsense.
          =>I agree with you that it is doubtful our understanding of God is close to embracing even a glimpse of God and those visuals we get are limited to our ability to express. The God of Abraham as revealed and Christ as God is the best we have done to date in expressing how we see God or have seen God. Bits of other religions and faiths have some added characteristics that touch upon the God who is. For all I know what we do know about God may be as limited as what I know about sam stone. I say that not in disrespect but to point out we see something in the smoke and shadows of the old testament and the way to God in the New Testament. But we do not have a visual of God only expressions that we can understand.

          December 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
        • Science Works

          fred Phil was way off base on the human rights issue was he not ?

          Maybe religious rights should be last on the menu what do you say ?

          For human rights to flourish, religious rights have to come second

          http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/27/human-rights-religious-rights-come-second#start-of-comments

          December 29, 2013 at 8:01 am |
        • fred

          science works

          "Phil was way off base on the human rights issue was he not ?"
          =>No, he said it was simply his opinion. He is not saying you must believe as he does. He has every right to believe the Bible just as you have every right to believe science somehow confirms no god needed.

          "Maybe religious rights should be last on the menu what do you say ?"
          =>truth is absolute and our religions, most of which reflect more of man than God should be held up to the words set down by Jesus. There is no second place to what is truth or a menu of what is or is not less truthful. I have yet to see anything Jesus said that takes away your rights more than anyone else.
          =>Britton is heading down as is the U.S. because we have lost sight of the truth. I hope you exchanged your rights for something real valuable when you tossed out truth and joined hands with those who find truth to be whatever they believe it to be this week.

          December 30, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • verymarriedtoo

      MARK 1:4 John the baptizer turned up in the wilderness, preaching baptism [in symbol] of repentance for forgiveness of sins LUKE 3:3 So he came into all the country around the Jordan, preaching baptism [in symbol] of repentance for forgiveness of sins,
      MATTHEW 3:13 Then Jesus came from Gal′i·lee to the Jordan to John, in order to be baptized by him. 14 But the latter tried to prevent him, saying: “I am the one needing to be baptized by you, and are you coming to me?” 15 In reply Jesus said to him: “Let it be, this time, for in that way it is suitable for us to carry out all that is righteous.” Then he quit preventing him. 16 After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
      MARK 1:9 In the course of those days Jesus came from Naz′a·reth of Gal′i·lee and was baptized in the Jordan by John. 10 And immediately on coming up out of the water he saw the heavens being parted, and, like a dove, the spirit coming down upon him; 11 and a voice came out of the heavens: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
      many more scipts. baptism is needed for everlasting life. BAPTISM.

      December 27, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
  7. Douglas

    There is no condemnation for celibate LGBTQ on the road to glory.

    Phil is wrong to paint all of them with a broad brush.

    Lest we forget...Rahab the harlot was saved for protecting the spies and Jesus intervened to save the
    adulteress from death by stoning.

    Celibacy is a beacon of hope for those ready to jettison past transgressions!

    December 26, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • Max

      Always a red-letter day when our resident gay shill shows up to illustrate his repression.

      December 26, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
    • doobzz

      Still worried about gay coitus, Doug?

      December 26, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      Doogie is still dreaming about the Glory Hole

      December 27, 2013 at 7:39 am |
  8. Jon

    The bible also says that pre-marital relations is a sin. Does Phil expect us to believe he was a virgin when he married his 16 year old wife?

    December 25, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
    • Austin

      that is a good point we should uphold the standards of purity and practice.

      December 25, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
      • sam stone

        the standards or purity established by iron age sheep molesters?

        no thanks

        December 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • nclaw441

      It doesn't sound like Robertson was a virgin when he married. He also talked about using alcohol and drugs, I believe. What is your point? His Christian faith has led him to repent and seek forgiveness and change his ways.

      December 26, 2013 at 9:05 am |
      • igaftr

        Yeah...now he uses his christian faith to be a bigot, holding a characteristic that people have from birth against them.

        Amazing how hypocritical christianity really is, since you can use it to justify hatred of gay people, on up to AND including genocide against the jewish people.

        Horrible belief system.

        December 26, 2013 at 9:16 am |
        • The One

          If you don't believe in God then why do you care what this guy or that guy said? Go out and do whatever feels good. All he said is that you're gonna pay for it at judgement... And the reality is that you don't like being told you have to "pay" for your sins so you call them names and become a hypocrite yourself by doing so. Quit whining about it if you do not believe what the bible says about the things you want to do just go do what you will. Do you just want to "force" everyone to believe as you do? Stop being a hypocrite.

          December 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Sounds like an excellent way to treat muslims and their beliefs....even if they do want to destroy your belief. hmmm.

          December 26, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
        • igaftr

          the "one"?

          This guy is trying to use the bible to justify his bigotry, and will site passages that he doesn't even follow himself.
          HE is the one who is a public figure putting his bigotry out there for all. How exactly am I being a hypocrit?

          Do you have anything other than "mind your own business" and ad hominem?
          I simply pointed out that this bigot is a fine example of what I have come to expect from "neighbor loving" christians.

          December 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
        • sam stone

          "the one" judgement is a hoax designed to fool the gullible

          get back on your knees, b1tch

          December 26, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • sam stone

        using drugs is a sin?

        December 26, 2013 at 9:53 am |
        • The One

          Yeah Sam it is... Now stop burnin that weed bro. lol

          December 26, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
        • Bill

          Sam, if i smoke pot, I stop having dreams.

          December 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
        • sam stone

          that's too bad, bill. perhaps you should go beyond that mexican dirt weed

          December 26, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
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          In the video sent Thursday to reporters in Pakistan including The Associated Press, Weinstein called on the U.S. government to negotiate his release.

          "Nine years ago I came to Pakistan to help my government, and I did so at a time when most Americans would not come here, and now when I need my government it seems that I have been totally abandoned and forgotten," Weinstein said during the 13-minute video. "And so I again appeal to you to instruct your appropriate officials to negotiate my release."

          It was impossible to tell how much Weinstein's statement, made under the duress of captivity, was scripted by his captors.

          The video and an accompanying letter purported to be from Weinstein was emailed anonymously to reporters in Pakistan. The video was labelled "As-Sahab," which is al-Qaida's media wing, but its authenticity could not be independently verified. The letter was dated Oct. 3, 2013 and in the video Weinstein said he had been in captivity for two years.

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          The videos last year showed Weinstein appealing for help from the Jewish community and Israel's prime minister.

          December 26, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
  9. Inigo de Ona

    So it took a bunch of rich white people from the USA and Europe to explain to everyone what a 2000 year old religious text says. So everyone prior to now has been wrong. not likely. Self justification is more likely than accurate interpretation.

    December 25, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
  10. DP

    Hi Paul. Thanks for your reply. You are correct. Belief is necessary for one to enjoy the benefit of any gift. I could extend a hundred dollar bill in your direction but you may be hesitant to accept it if you are unsure of my motives. For you to receive and make use of the money you must first believe that (1) I actually exist/you weren't dreaming lol and (2) I have good motives towards you. The gift of innocence and immortality has been extended to mankind – a free gift. But belief that the giver (1)exists and (2)that he has good motives is necessary for US to accept the gift and make use of it. Jesus' only desire in the NT is that we believe in Him. He is the gift God extended to us. One more thing: I am a free man. I don't live by any rule keeping, commandments, traditions, etc. We are free from the slavery of legalism. I live from my heart, which is influced by God's love. There is great liberty in this.

    December 25, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
  11. DP

    I am a Christian, and all this 'sin' talk baffles me. Sin is dead. It was crucified over 2000 years ago in the body of Jesus. All mankind is now innocent and blameless forever. "Peace on Earth and goodwill (a favorable reputation) toward men"... We can all enjoy peace in our hearts because our reputation is honorable and pure in the sight of God. Merry Christmas! #Cheers

    December 25, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Paul

      So, all that you must believe, repent and follow Christ stuff does not matter? You are right with God even though you do not believe in Christ? You know there are plenty of verses that say you must believe to be saved. What do you do with those verses?

      December 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
      • DP

        Hi Paul. Thanks for your reply. You are correct. Belief is necessary for one to enjoy the benefit of any gift. I could extend a hundred dollar bill in your direction but you may be hesitant to accept it if you are unsure of my motives. For you to receive and make use of the money you must first believe that (1) I actually exist/you weren't dreaming lol and (2) I have good motives towards you. The gift of innocence and immortality has been extended to mankind – a free gift. But belief that the giver (1)exists and (2)that he has good motives is necessary for US to accept the gift and make use of it. Jesus' only desire in the NT is that we believe in Him. He is the gift God extended to us. One more thing: I am a free man. I don't live by any rule keeping, commandments, traditions, etc. We are free from the slavery of legalism. I live from my heart, which is influced by God's love. There is great liberty in this.

        December 25, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
  12. Kebos

    The bible got the bible wrong. As a book written by man but claimed to be divinely inspired, it doesn't fail to underachieve.

    December 25, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • hearties

      Reading the bible is a great way to get to know God and fall in love with him.

      December 25, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • Chris

        Fall in love with Him?? Really??

        December 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
        • hearties

          God is the most incredible, awe inspiring, all powerful, intelligence and creativity beyond measure, being, ever, over all time.

          So yes, it can be easy for someone can fall in love with God.

          December 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
        • Chris

          Then you have no clue as to what it means to fall in love.

          December 25, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
  13. Doris

    Poster Opposing View below attempts to give proof that being gay is a choice. And the alleged source of this comes from Paul, the Joseph Smith of his day – the one who goes on and on about much of the "magic" in the NT will little beyond unnamed "witnesses" and stories of unknown authorship.

    If Opposing View would get up to date and read last December's Quarterly Review of Biology, they might know they are completely off base thinking being gay is a choice. Biologists and psychologists alike are now seeing eye to eye on the issue – gene modification – very early in development – resistant to change. It's actually not new science. Scientists have studied this phenomenon for quite some time all across nature.

    Christians, on the other hand, do not see eye to eye about very much at all when it comes to telling people how to live.

    According to many of them, I could:

    -join one Lutheran sect who still officially categorizes the Pope as the Antichrist.

    -join the RCC and help spread disease (because of the unrealistic stance on contraception).

    -join a sect who would rather me let my sick child die rather than seek medical care.

    -join an SBC church who tries to keep women subservient and quiet.

    -join a sect in Mexico that still sacrifices people.

    -join a sect that believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    -join a sect that believes Americans are being killed at war because America is tolerant of homosexuals and the goes out and protests at their funerals.

    -join a sect that believes the OT is superseded by the NT

    -join a sect that believes that the NT brings along all of the OT law

    It's insanity and it all stems from unnamed "witnesses", unauthored ancient texts, and the man who was the Joseph Smith of his day.

    December 25, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • hearties

      Phil did say that he's sinned in the past, and he now accepts Jesus Christ of Nazareth's ability to forgive his sins, to save him from past sins.

      If Phil was to follow the route of those kicking him off the show, he would be twisting the verses to say all his past sins, which he enjoyed, were not wrong. Instead Phil does the "unthinkable" (for some), he admits they're sins, and moves forwards to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and tries not to sin any more. Phil is giving them an example, himself, but they don't want to give up the sinning.

      December 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
  14. Opposing View

    More Proof Why Being Gay is a Choice…

    Galatians 5:19 – Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness (this includes gay se-x acts), lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like (meaning this is not a complete list): of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God….

    Colossians 3:5 – Mortify (means to kill out or stop doing) therefore your members (those evil acts you are doing ) which are upon the earth (meaning, in your flesh, God made your flesh from the earth); fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concup-iscence (means, evil se-x acts), and covetousness, which is idolatry:…

    Although Galatians provides a partial list, the above scripture in Colossians adds to that list of things which are in your flesh – fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, etc. And because those things are part of the flesh, that means that everybody on earth, male or female, old or young, feels those same temptations in their flesh. You were not created different or gay. Instead, everybody on earth feels those same temptations pulling at them in their flesh. Yet, despite the temptation, not everybody gives in to it. Everybody on earth has felt the temptation to steal, but not everyone becomes a thief. Everybody on earth has felt the temptation to lie, but not everyone becomes a liar. Likewise, everybody on earth has felt the temptation to be gay, but not everyone becomes gay. It's that simple. You become gay by giving in to that temptation, by giving in to that spirit. And no one forces you or holds a gun to your head and makes you do it. Instead, you choose to do it, and choose to give in to that feeling of your own free will. To say that God made you gay, is just like a thief saying that God made him a thief. Or a liar saying that God made him a liar. Or a fornicator saying that God made him a fornicator. To say such things is a lie. God did not create any of those people that way. Instead, each of those people chose to do those things of their own free will. And it is the very same way with being gay. If you say otherwise, then you are a liar. And you are a lair of your own free will….

    God's commandments against being gay are all over the bible. It is in many places, you just have to know where to look. For example, what do you think the word "evil concup-iscence" means above? It means "evil se-x acts". That is what that word means. And what gays do are evil se-x acts. The word "uncleanness" also encompas-ses being gay, because gay se-x is nasty and unclean. Using your mouth is unclean. Going in the wrong hole is unclean. You cannot deny it. That is why the scriptures say, "Marriage is honorable, and the bed is undefiled, but wh-oremongers and adulterers, God will judge". God created marriage between a man and a woman so that you could get married and your se-x acts would be "clean" before God. There is nothing nasty about se-x when it is between a man and his wife. But when you commit se-xual acts outside of what God has prescribed, then it is nasty and evil and unclean. And God will most certainly judge you. And it can send your soul to hell. And remember, all liars are going to hell too. And the people who say that being gay is not a choice (inferring that God made them that way and made them gay) they are liars…

    December 25, 2013 at 2:03 am |
    • Observer

      Opposing View,

      Please list your educational background and professional knowledge of psychology and psychiatry to show that you have ANY expertise in this area.

      Still waiting to hear if you have a CLUE about it

      December 25, 2013 at 2:12 am |
      • lol??

        lol??
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        The Butler did it.

        December 26, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • Damocles

      That makes no sense. At all.

      Look, I understand that you are very boring, have no life and want to flog everyone with the whips that you use on yourself, but understand this: You are a tiny, scared-of-the-world person and I use the term 'person' strictly out of courtesy.

      This hate that you hold near and dear to your heart is nothing new and make no mistake that it isn't anything other than hate. It is not trying to help someone out of decency, and it is certainly not love in any way, shape, or form. It is a personal hate that you hold for whatever reason and you are a petty coward for trying to hide behind some misguided belief that there is some powerful being that is as petty and cowardly as you that has your back.

      I find it utterly ridiculous that you think people struggle so mightily, day in and day out, with all of these issues. That you think people fret about whether or not to be liars, or good, or gay speaks volumes about a day in the life of OV. 'Oh gosh, do I do bad things today, or good? I have this project due at work, but I'm just so torn as to whether or not I want to be gay today and I simply must come to a descision'. I can only imagine you are bald from ripping your hair out as your frustration reaches its boiling point.

      I don't care that you hate and I don't care that you contradict yourself in the space between the first and last word of your posts, but at least have the decency to understand that it is simply your own hates given voice inside your head and admit to that fact.

      December 25, 2013 at 4:20 am |
    • sam stone

      Wow, a cut and paste...very convincing, OV

      Now, boy, go home and get your fvcking shinebox

      December 25, 2013 at 7:23 am |
    • truthprevails1

      OV: Thank you for showing once again that bigots still exist. Most rational minded, educated people understand that being gay is no more of a choice than being left-handed is. Using a 2000+ year old book that has never been updated to justify your hate and 'ick' factor of LGBT is a sad display of 'love' from your side and most definitely turns most away.
      Seek an education outside of your book and learn some tolerance.

      December 25, 2013 at 7:57 am |
    • midwest rail

      " Likewise, everybody on earth has felt the temptation to be gay,..."
      Absolutely HAS to be trolling. It is just simply not possible for anyone to be this stupid.

      December 25, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • Trey

      And yet you actually provided no proof whatsoever.
      Mainly because it isn't a choice. Do pist some proof instead of Bible verses. I'll wait.

      Actually, no I won't. You've got nothing.

      December 25, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      o "Abrahamics" like the Robertson family believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

      To wit:

      1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

      “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

      2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

      3. See also the From the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

      "Most scientists who study human se-xuality agree that gay people are born that way. But that consensus raises an evolutionary puzzle: How do genes associated with h-omose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?"

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Gay-gene-deconstructed.html - REQUIRED READINg

      December 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Kebos

      @Opposing View – Wow, that's some proof you have there. The only proof you have provided here is that you're gullible and significantly impressed by what other humans write. Advice to you, OV. Rejoin this discussion when the wizard of oz gives you a brain to think with!

      December 25, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • midwest rail

      O.V. has to be Apple. After that suggestion was made and seconded, the entire thread disappeared.

      December 26, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
  15. Sandy

    Robertson: "I would rather be packing heat than packing fudge."

    December 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • Ima Mooreon

      Good one.

      December 24, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • tony

      A hand gun is a toy you can't use, and only not a toy if you do.

      That's why none of us can have a working armed tank. Just same stupidity on a larger scale.

      December 24, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
  16. Dyslexic doG

    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the pagan Saturnalia festival hoping to recruit the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.

    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday. The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth. The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus. This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.

    Christianity: centuries of shameless fraud on a grand scale.

    December 24, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • james

      doG, now you sound like a true Christian since we do not celebrate pagan holidays and even Jesus said that the only day that should be observed was the day of his death and that is recorded for us as on the eve of the first full moon after the spring equinox better known as the passover. Thanks, j

      December 24, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • Observer

        james,

        Please quote the verse.

        December 24, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
        • james

          Jesus and his apostles celebrated the passover every Nisan 14 and told what to do as a memorial of his death and this is the only event he commanded his followers to memorialize. It is known as the Lord's Supper or the Lord's Evening Meal and since they observed this annually it is only fitting when he said "keep doing this in remembrance of me" that we would do the same. You may want to look up Luke 22:19; 1 Cor.11:20, 26, Eccl.7:1 and surrounding verses that explain how it was observed. It is also spoken of in Matt, Mark, and John .The principle that Jesus followed in Eccl.7:1 where I quoted earlier is certainly applicable here. Many other passages explain more detail why we believe this but i hope this helps if you are serious. thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
        • Oh noes

          Observer, James is a JW. They don't believe in celebrating birthdays. Or life-saving blood transfusions.

          James, he asked for the specific verse where Jesus said not to celebrate his birthday. While you're at it, exact chapter and verse where Jesus denounced gay people.

          December 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
        • james

          I answered his question and as far as Jesus saying anything about gays I do not believe I said anything about that since he did not that I know of but he did point out that his returning to bring about the end of this system is compared to "the time of Noah" and "the time of Lot" see Matt.24:37-40 and Luke 17:26-30 and we know why those times were mentioned so keep up what you want to do and I will do what I choose, thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
        • Observer

          James,

          Who were worse: the people of Sodom or the people of Jerusalem?

          December 25, 2013 at 12:23 am |
      • Bibletruth

        The only day we are to observe is the day of his death? Well, OK, not everyone reads the bible, but it would be a blessing to you if you did. Re a day: read the fourth commandment. It starts as follows: Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy...Jesus stated He was Lord of the Sabbath day (and that is why the sabbath is also the Lord's Day)....Jesus also said If you love me keep my commandments. Jesus was a Sabbath Keeper, as were the Apostles. There is not so much as a hint in all scripture for Sunday keeping/ worship (except by heathens). Anyone who loves God should honestly check this out. It will be THE issue for the end time, under the general umbrella of true worship and false worship.

        December 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
        • james

          Jesus came to fulfill the Law and gave two commandments to follow at Matt.22:36-40. we are no longer under the Mosaic law.

          December 24, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
        • james

          also have to go but really enjoyed this and will look for you all later, keep the faith, thanks, j

          December 24, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
        • Maddy

          Goid, James, then you will not have any problem with discarding the OT laws pertaining to gays; Jesus himself said not one word about gays.

          December 24, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
        • james

          just checked back and wonder why everyone is so hung up on this gay thing since I said nothing about gays like Jesus and I do look forward to a good discussion on the hope set before All of us in the scriptures and that is what Jesus did talk about, Good News of a hope of eternal life on a paradise earth for ANY who really want it. All these other little petty points are just for building our faith in a loving Creator that wants the best for us. Like I said before the Law is summed up at Matthew 22:37-40. so check it out and keep peace with each other, j

          December 24, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
        • Maddy

          Probably because this article is about a man who conflates gays with bestiality and uses the Bible to support his views. If he had stuck with Mathew 22:36-40, there would be no controversy.

          December 24, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
  17. torah4today

    trying this a third time. apparently some moderator doesn't want you all to know that Scripture has more to say about this topic than the Corinthians verse referenced in the article. Try the 3rd book of the "Old" Testament, eighteenth chapter, towards the end. I doubt the article's author could apply any amount of objective exegesis to explain away those verses!

    December 24, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      whine much?

      December 24, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • torah4today

      perhaps there is a filter on certain words – trying to post the actual verses again w/o the word ess-ee-ex in it...

      22 “‘Do not have s–ual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

      23 “‘Do not have s–ual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have s–ual relations with it; that is a perversion.

      24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled.

      December 24, 2013 at 10:17 am |
      • Sharon

        The Word of God is quit clear it's man that has the problem. The bible calls it rebellion. If you choose not to see the truth you won't sin deceives & leaves man in darkness. Thank you for your post.

        December 24, 2013 at 11:28 am |
        • sam stone

          the word of man, sharon

          December 24, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Candiano

      Leviticus? The book for Levite priests?
      No.

      December 24, 2013 at 11:46 am |
      • torah4today

        try reading it, Candiano, and you'll see that it's not just for the priesthood. some sections are, yes, but many of the commandments are for the general population.

        December 26, 2013 at 7:59 am |
        • Candiano

          Read it, dear. And guess what? It's for Israelites. Still not pertinent. Fail.

          December 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
  18. RLF

    It is time to stop making stupid people famous

    December 24, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • hearties

      It's hard to imagine given the numbers, but Phil's going along talking and 12 million people were hearing him say Jesus. 12 million. And 2000 years ago, Jesus found 12 guys and they heard Jesus talking... just 12. Later, Jesus was talking to 5000 at once, maybe more. But over 2000 years... Phil can speak and tell 12 million at once, with re-runs, telling everyone that tunes in, that he believes Jesus, and they should too. 12 million each time he said it. The producers didn't like it and they bleeped it out, then tried to cut Phil out. It won't matter, the 12 million heard it, and they'll remember it. Jesus, that they need to believe Jesus, and stop sinning. Phil did a good job telling them. Hopefully he keeps right on telling them.

      December 24, 2013 at 5:34 am |
      • Free Holiday Nuts

        Spam works that way.

        December 24, 2013 at 9:05 am |
      • In Santa we trust

        I think this is about his interview. As far as I know A&E have not bleeped out religious references.

        December 24, 2013 at 10:11 am |
        • hearties

          "Now that A&E has come to understand how the family acts and how serious they are about their religious convictions, though, the fake bleeping and cutting of Jesus' name has ended."

          http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/10/05/Duck-Dynasty-Star-Says-Network-Cut-Jesus-From-Prayers

          The producers didn't want to offend anyone... other than Jesus, and those that love him.

          December 25, 2013 at 3:21 am |
        • Chris

          A&E had NEVER bleeped out Jesus's name...Briebart lied. Get real.

          December 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
      • Candiano

        They haven't censored his speech on or of the show.

        Hopefully, he'll shut up. Gays don't "morph" into bestiality.

        December 24, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
  19. SgtRock101

    The letter by Paul to the Corinthins cannot supercede the words of Jesus Christ when he said, Love one another as you would love yourself, Do unto one another as you would have done to you; Let he who is without sin cast the first stone; and judge not least ye be judged. Paul got it wrong. Christ always has it right. Any pastor or religious person of any level who can not understand Christ is superior to the deciples then, ...........This is what happens when the uneducated in theology attempt to interpet the new testament. Enormous error that often lead to conflict result.

    December 24, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • Observer

      Amen. Someone who tries to follow the Golden Rule.

      December 24, 2013 at 12:36 am |
      • lol??

        lol??
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        The Frankfurt School turned the "golden rule" into the golden calf. Pwogwess.

        December 26, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • MIKE D

      No sir, YOU got it wrong. You seem to have a 'red-letter' approach to Scripture. In other words, if Jesus said it, then it's the truth, but that the apostles and others'words in the Bible don't carry the same weight or that they even have it wrong. #1- that means you don't believe in the Word of God as being infallible(the Bible teaches that all Scripture indeed is infallible, NOT only the words of Jesus; the Holy Spirit inspired all of Scripture thru several men and women. #2- Jesus quoted often from the Old Testament. In other words, though Jesus didn't speak in the OT, Jesus confirmed that those that did, spoke the truth-meaning the words of the OT were written by men, but the words came from God. (men were an instrument- a means to an end, but God was the author). I'm afraid that your argument holds no merit. It's based on the presumption that you basically can pick and choose which Scripture you WISH to be true, while discrediting Scriptures that don't agree with your own self-centered opinion. Your argument is baseless (which is no argument at all!).

      December 24, 2013 at 3:07 am |
      • Observer

        MIKE D,

        EVERYONE picks and chooses from the Bible. That's why you likely don't support slavery like the Bible does.

        December 24, 2013 at 3:14 am |
        • lol??

          lol??
          Your comment is awaiting moderation.
          Socie talk. Look at the national debt if ya wanna see slavery, big time, courtesy of the "Wegodians".

          December 24, 2013 at 7:57 am | Report abuse |
          lol??
          Your comment is awaiting moderation.
          GI Rock sir, Peter considered Paul's doctrines as scripture. That means they were inspired by Jesus. No superman, supersessions needed. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

          December 26, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • torah4today

      do you realize that when Jesus said that, He was quoting the "Old" Testament? Also, if you read a bit further, He stated that the two great commandments were a summary of ALL the law (Torah) and the Prophets. He was basically confirming everything in the "Old" Testament. "New" Testament statements regarding "Scripture" were referring to the "Old" Testament, as the "New" Testament had not been written yet.

      So, if you are willing to follow Jesus on these two great commandments, then please look at the source and see what goes along with it!

      36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

      37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

      c.Matthew 22:37 Deut. 6:5
      d.Matthew 22:39 Lev. 19:18

      December 24, 2013 at 10:27 am |
  20. Reality # 2

    "Abrahamics" like the Robertson family believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way. For added details, see p. 65 of the commentaries.

    December 24, 2013 at 12:17 am |
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