Why atheists should quit the 'War on Christmas’
The group American Atheists has placed this billboard in New York City's Times Square.
December 21st, 2013
10:22 AM ET

Why atheists should quit the 'War on Christmas’

Opinion by Chris Stedman, special to CNN

(CNN) - The “War on Christmas:”  what — or who—is it good for?

In recent years, one organization, American Atheists, has claimed the mantle of prime atheist promoter of the tired “War on Christmas” narrative.

This year, they ushered in the season with an electronic billboard in New York City’s Times Square carrying the message: “Who needs Christ during Christmas? Nobody.” The word "Christ" is crossed out, just in case their message wasn't clear enough.

The American Atheists maintain that their latest entry in the annual “War on Christmas” saga is a message to other atheists that they are not alone.

In a recent Fox News appearance, American Atheists President Dave Silverman said, “The point that we’re trying to make is that there’s a whole bunch of people out there for whom religion is the worst part of Christmas, but they go to church anyways, and we’re here to tell them they don’t have to.”

While that intention is important and admirable, very few people—atheist or theist—seem to interpret the message as welcoming to anyone. Many of the responses I’ve seen have been vitriolic and disturbingly anti-atheist.

Which raises the question: If the goal truly is to reach isolated atheists, why does the advertisement read as a dig at Christians? A better billboard for American Atheists’s stated aim might read: “Don’t celebrate Christmas? You’re not alone.”

As atheists become more visible in our society, the entire “War on Christmas” back-and-forth feels ugly and unnecessary. Worse still, it seems to do little more than offer ammunition to those claiming atheists are just mean-spirited grinches. Bill O’Reilly—one of the major “War on Christmas” soldiers—made that clear when he and I discussed the “War on Christmas” a couple of weeks ago.

Let’s not kid ourselves: There is no war on Christmas.

We live in a culture that privileges stories of conflict, so it’s understandable that this narrative would gain traction—with or without billboards. Much of this narrative is a manifestation of religious fears about our increasingly secular society, and it reflects widespread anxieties about atheists and religious differences. But it doesn’t reflect reality.

Rather, as religious diversity in the U.S. has become more recognizable, Americans have largely broadened their approach to this time of year. According to new data from the Public Religion Research Institute, the percentage of Americans who prefer the inclusive “Happy Holidays” or “Season’s Greetings” has now exceeded the percentage that prefers “Merry Christmas.”

It’s not that Christmas is under attack; instead, our society is becoming better at embracing its religious diversity and challenging the notion that a single majority religion should dominate public expressions of belief.

So why does the “War on Christmas” narrative persist?

Based on how much play they give it each December, the “War on Christmas” narrative seems to be good for Fox News ratings. And American Atheists has openly admitted that it is good for their pocketbooks, as their talk show appearances bring in a swell of donations.

Consider this from a recent profile of Silverman:

“Silverman’s notorious anti-Christmas billboards and subsequent TV appearances have breathed new life into American Atheists and are often followed by an uptick in subscribers and donations. ... According to Silverman, the primary objective of the billboards is to get invitations to talk shows.”

In other words: American Atheists and Fox News - alongside conservatives like Sarah Palin - seem to have discovered a mutually beneficial relationship.

But does this relationship benefit atheists more broadly? Does it accurately represent the sentiments of nontheists in this country? Does it improve atheist-theist relations?

Does it lessen the widespread stigma and distrust that exists between atheists and theists, which enables atheist marginalization across the U.S.? Does it invite Christians to think critically about religious privilege?

Many atheists, myself included, suspect that there are more effective approaches to tackling these important issues.

To start, atheists can build positive relationships with believers to humanize our communities and educate one another about our differences. That’s something that billboards, for all of their flash and fundraising capabilities, likely won’t accomplish.

Atheists face real marginalization in the U.S., and it should be robustly challenged.

But we also have good tidings and great joy to offer—important contributions to the public square that are currently being drowned out by attention-grabbing billboards claiming “nobody” needs Christ in Christmas.

In the spirit of generosity, compassion, and kindness so often associated with this time of year, let’s ditch the billboards and build relationships of goodwill.

Chris Stedman is the Assistant Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University, Coordinator of Humanist Life for the Yale Humanist Community, and author of "Faitheist: How an Atheist Found Common Ground with the Religious." You can follow him on Twitter at @ChrisDStedman.

The views expressed in this column belong to Stedman.

- CNN Belief Blog Editor

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  1. Dan

    “Silverman’s notorious anti-Christmas billboards and subsequent TV appearances have breathed new life into American Atheists and are often followed by an uptick in subscribers and donations. .."

    LOL...Just like the TV preachers they so despise.

    February 5, 2014 at 1:57 pm |
  2. Reality # 2

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    "John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident (the randomness) of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

    The Situation Today

    Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed. “ J. Somerville

    It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to randomness of birth. Maybe, just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

    January 7, 2014 at 7:42 am |
  3. Midwest jail

    Most of us will be dead in 35 years. Some will die in less than 5 years. Some tomorrow.

    January 7, 2014 at 1:45 am |
  4. Midwest jail

    Everyone capable of reading this post will be dead in 70 years. All that will remain of each one of us r bones or ash, unless our tissues/organs live on in someone else.

    January 7, 2014 at 1:42 am |
  5. Midwest jail

    The ships boat.
    Dead man walking.
    It was a long lonesome day.
    All the lonely people.
    Father McKensie.

    January 7, 2014 at 1:38 am |
  6. urnotathinkerareu

    0.25% of criminal prisoners are atheist
    Majority of Nobel Prize winners are atheist.
    Majority of University professors are atheist
    Majority of scientists are atheists
    Poverty rate is lower among atheists
    IQ rates are higher among atheists
    Illiteracy rates are lower among atheists
    Average Income rates are higher among atheists
    Divorce rates are lower among atheists
    Teen pregnancy rates are lower among atheists
    STD Infection rates are lower among atheists
    Abortion rates are lower among atheists
    Crime rates are lower among atheists
    Homicide rates are lower among atheists
    Please tell me...who is really blessed????????

    January 6, 2014 at 10:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Source please.

      January 7, 2014 at 1:47 am |
      • franticred

        Disclaimer: this is just looking at US data, as much as I was able to find.

        0.25% of criminal prisoners are atheist

        Incorrect – it's actually .07% of the population, per a 2013 poll of about 1/3 of the prison population. See: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/16/what-percentage-of-prisoners-are-atheists-its-a-lot-smaller-than-we-ever-imagined/ for the memo from the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

        Majority of Nobel Prize winners are atheist.

        Incorrect – an exact count is unavailable, however it would be correct to say that as a portion of the population, a disproportionate percentage of Nobel laureates are. This is purely looking at scientific and technological achievement, for the record. Peace prizes have gone to people associated with horrible acts, economics is all theory and is proven accurate one year and inaccurate the next, and literature is of dubious contribution to advancement – ignoring of course the fact that what some consider to be great literature, others feel is dull and uninsightful. I stick with science, because all scientific enhancement contributes to our advancement as a species. There are at least 68 atheist Nobel laureates out of 316 prizes given out (check the Nobel Prize home page for totals, and look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology for a count of atheist nobel laureates).

        Majority of University professors are atheist

        Grossly incorrect. Surveys indicate that 9.8% of University/College professors are atheist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amarnath-amarasingam/how-religious-are-america_b_749630.html

        Majority of scientists are atheists

        There is no evidence for this. Every survey I looked at lumped agnostics or deists into the group. It may be true that many scientists are atheist, but from what I have read it is more accurate to say that most scientists are agnostic or deist. Either way, the claim that the majority of scientists are atheists is unsupported.

        Poverty rate is lower among atheists

        This is correct, however the correlation you are shooting for is not there. It would be more accurate to say that among the poor, it is more likely that individuals are going to be religious (because of a need to have hope for something better perhaps?). A poverty rate amongst atheists is difficult to assess however, and there is no correlation between being atheist making individuals more successful.

        IQ rates are higher among atheists

        Supposedly from a Harvard Study, which I see referenced everywhere, although I cannot find a link to it:
        Muslim- 92
        Christian- 98
        Pagan- 98
        Hindu- 104
        Buddhist- 108
        Jew- 115
        Atheist- 119

        IQ is merely a measure of learning ability – if you choose not to be open to new non-faith based information, it stands to reason that you are going to score lower. Regardless, I cannot find this Harvard study, so this claim is unproven.

        Illiteracy rates are lower among atheists

        There is a correlation between illiteracy rates being higher in more religious states, but that is all. While it is reasonable to assume that all things being equal, this means that more religion = lower literacy, I cannot find any research that determines specifically that illiteracy is higher among religious people.

        Average Income rates are higher among atheists

        http://www.pewforum.org/2009/01/30/income-distribution-within-us-religious-groups/ – At best, atheists would fall into the uunaffiliated group, which makes them about average. Looking at this report, religion doesn't seem to really play much of a role in income. Consider the areas in which these religions are largely practiced, and you will see it is more based in cultural and situational factors.

        Divorce rates are lower among atheists

        http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm – Atheists and agnostics together do. It is reasonable to assume that atheists would have a lower rate, based on the statistics only, however the data is not there to say for certain. Why the rates are lower could have nothing to do withsimply being atheist, as well.

        Teen pregnancy rates are lower among atheists
        STD Infection rates are lower among atheists
        Crime rates are lower among atheists

        These three all go together in this poll:
        http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/jun/29/al-westerfield-atheists-victims-of-hypocrisy-by/?print=1 – keep in mind however, that aside from using prison to determine crime rates (which is a somewhat reasonable measure), the other two are based of how religious the state is vs. pregnancy and STD rates. Despite this, it is reasonable to believe that such rates would be lower amongst atheists than at least some religions, as they would dogmatically be more likely to use condoms, etc. (as there is no religion telling them not to).

        Abortion rates are lower among atheists

        Correct – http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html – about 30% of abortions are acquired by non-religious people. This includes atheists, agnostics, and likely non-practicing folks still claiming a religion. That likely means a fairly low percentage that are atheist.

        Homicide rates are lower among atheists

        Difficult to find supporting evidence for this, but given the disproportionately low percent of atheists in prison, and assuming that the distribution of criminal activity amongst those atheists is the same as that amongst religious prisoners, then it is fairly safe to assume that this statement is accurate. Good luck finding an actual study to back that up on paper, however.

        Please tell me...who is really blessed????????

        Well, by definition, an atheist couldn't consider him/herself blessed, right?

        January 24, 2014 at 8:14 am |
    • atheists are irrelevant

      The original post had just sum up my moniker.

      January 7, 2014 at 4:27 am |
      • atheists are irrelevant

        Rather, my moniker had just summed up the original post.

        January 7, 2014 at 4:31 am |
    • ECassious2

      Your "statistics are an absolute farce. In fact, saying "most" is not really saying anything. Please cite your sources?

      January 7, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        its in the bible...god told me....I had a dream...I had a vision.....someone layed hands on me and I saw a flash of light....

        January 7, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        and in reality...these statistics are correct. Like many of the other religious posts I will not cite my sources because...those are just simple facts.......if you want to know the truth do your own research. Unlike many christians I don't care what you believe and IF you believe these stats or not...but FYI they are true.

        January 7, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
  7. Dave8582

    Actually, I think Santa is more fun than Jesus and just as real.

    Santa is for the kids. Jesus for the adults.

    We make Santa real for the kids, by buying toys and "pretending" Santa brought them. We make Jesus real by "pretending" He can help us find our car keys and helped Grandma into the Golden Gates.

    It doesn't matter to me if Jesus is included in the Holiday Season. Don't we include Rudolf?


    January 6, 2014 at 9:53 am |
  8. urnotathinkerareu

    How is it possible for a moral person to live blissfully in Heaven, knowing that countless fellow human beings are shrieking and writhing in agony below them? A majority of the damned did not have a true choice in selecting their religion—like many, they imbibed the beliefs of their immediate family as children, when their minds were malleable. If God has a plan for us all, as if often stated by evangelicals, the implication is that he selects where each of us is born. In doing so, is he not condemning countless people to suffer eternal damnation? A person in India will be indoctrinated into Hinduism—which, presumably, is a ticket to Hell—whereas a person born in Alabama is more likely to be born into an ultra-conservative Christian family. Our minds, our worldviews, are molded by our childhood environments and, perhaps to a lesser degree, by our experiences.

    Next, shall we discuss the futility of praying for material gain? Observe the world around you. Innumerable people suffer from problems that are far more severe than the problems most of us face. Their prayers are not answered — just think of the hundreds of millions of people that suffer from malnourishment and disease. Think of the myriad of issues that plague humanity. Why would the same god that ignored their far more desperate prayers answer your trivial prayer for an ‘A’ on a calculus test or to win a football game? Why should we, as well-fed, privileged people who live in lavish conditions compared to many in the world, plead for divine intervention? The whole notion strikes me as manifestly egocentric and naive.

    In addition, if God has a plan for us, does it not clash with the much-touted concept of free will? And, perhaps I digress, how is it just for God to punish all of humanity because one woman, Eve, disobeyed him in a single instance? It would be like sentencing you and your entire family to languish in prison because one of your distant predecessors committed murder. Such a punishment is redolent of North Korea’s “three generation punishment,” a punishment in which the state imprisons not just political dissidents, but also their children and grandchildren.

    – See more at: http://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/sharathprabhu/religion-womb-arrogance-and-irrationality#sthash.NZT0ueyU.dpuf

    January 5, 2014 at 8:11 pm |
    • panthrotheist

      actually there is no free will,because we humans is part of god,our conciousness is his.therefore everything we do has a purpose only beyond our immediate comprehension or understanding.the problem lies in our concept or belief of the absoluteness of the philosophy of science,which by itself is part of gods evolutionary process,atheists has this mentality ,but since they are part of the process so its gods will through us .

      January 5, 2014 at 8:30 pm |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        mmmm..by the way........ANY evidence it is god?

        January 5, 2014 at 10:43 pm |
        • panthrotheist

          your reaction questioning the evidence of god is readily answered by my presence as the concsious part of him,and his delegation to me the responsibility of initiating the evolution through dialectical process .You cannot deny that i exist therefore he also exist,if you wont believe that you wait for the irrivocable answer 150 years of the evidence from now.

          January 5, 2014 at 11:41 pm |
    • nev

      before the arrival of humans 200,000 years ago,the earth had already existed billions before that,so all the events was directly related to gods conciousness through nature,now with our evolution to higher level,it is gradually shifted to us,we call that free will,but actually we are only part of it,that we have to realize the extent of our responsibility,and that is happening now,that is one of the proof.

      January 5, 2014 at 9:21 pm |
      • dev

        the evolutionary consequences is now a reality in the cosciousness in us modern humans when enviromentalist, conservationists and activists who in their own conscience had started to be aware of protecting the natural environment .their concern is not because of personal reward but an expression of that divine responsibility,that they themselves is not aware of .

        January 5, 2014 at 9:57 pm |
    • ven

      the diversity of religious faith through out the world through the ages is just part of gods will,in the evolutionary process of change it is necessary to have multiple variable inputs to achieved a sucessfull synthesis.since all religions is gods will,the purpose of such is beyond our comprehension or immediate understanding but it has a profound meaning and direction

      January 5, 2014 at 9:38 pm |
    • panthrotheist

      the evidence is your negative reaction and my response,remember i am part of him and He delegated to me as his conscious being now th this point in time of the evolution as the thesis and you will act or represent the anrithesis of the process

      January 5, 2014 at 11:27 pm |
      • Observer


        "remember i am part of him and He delegated to me as his conscious being now"

        So does God STILL support slavery and beating helpless children with rods for discipline? What about gay rights? Is he still supporting discriminating against gays or does he prefer we use the Golden Rule?

        January 5, 2014 at 11:31 pm |
        • pathrotheist

          yes all your negative reckoning or observation in history is part of the evolutionary change,your reaction is part of the solution,the reasons for your concern on slavery ,gay rights etc ,will be resolved in the future for the good of humanity for thats his will,we have to experience and pass all this trials in life because thats part of the evolutionary process

          January 5, 2014 at 11:48 pm |
        • Observer


          When did God change his perfect and "unchanging" mind? It's certainly not in the Bible.

          So does he favor gay marriage now?

          January 6, 2014 at 12:00 am |
      • urnotathinkerareu

        lets see....you now think gpod has chosen you to reprersent the positive and has chosen me to represent the negative? I am concerned that |he| never told me. It is a male god we are talking about here I hope. I wouldn\t want to offend his gender in case he would try and lob my balls off for making a mistake.....but I'm probably going to "hell" anyways because he has already chosen my path and I have nothing to say about anything.....he must be very happy but I am wondering if you know why he has done tjis? Using us as pawns in a game we know nothing about really. I mean....he is god right? It would be much easier if he didn't have to play this game with himself.....I mean...he knows the outcome before the game even understand he doesnt even tell us the damn rules.....what kind of a god plays by rules that only he knows and doesn't even tell us...probably because he already knows the outcome...its like playing cards with a stacked deck and he;s the dealer laughing at us all because he has all the aces.....I hate gods who do that. I am best suited for the negative side anyways after knowing how he cheats. What a dick.

        January 6, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
        • panthrotheist

          your understanding of the change process is very simplistic ,because your mind is not open,you specifically believe already in the traditional doctrines,Dogmas as shown in thousands of years of history evolves ,and the need for input variables ,meaning the diversity of religious belief is necessay because nature through his will is requiring this to happen,we are being educated by God in the events of history.In the past when there was no humans yet Gods will is directly manifisted in nature,with our coming and education through history,we gradually takes the responsibilty of implementing the will.Your complaint on your perception of abuse is just part of the complex process of educating us through experience.

          January 6, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
        • urnotathinkerareu

          You have no evidence for your "idea". End of story.

          January 6, 2014 at 10:10 pm |
        • panthrotheist

          you and me as the existing rational being is the proof of Him,our interaction is happening because of Him bringing us with Him to reality,there is no other credible cause of our origin except through the big bang and evolution after that.if you continue denying this facts,then you will deny yourself to irrationality and finally oblivion

          January 6, 2014 at 10:41 pm |
        • urnotathinkerareu

          Well...thanks for the congrats on me doing my job. I do believe in Evolution and the big bang but can\t seem to quite believe in the god theory as a default for everything the godly do not understand or who don't have an IMMEDIATE answer for. WE may not know what caused it for a hundred years...who knows but because we dont exactly know right now doesnt mean god did it. And by the way...tell our employer I\m taking the rest of the week off......he just can't make his big plans without at least telling me what hours I'm going to keep too...or is that part of his big plan to just do whatever he wants without as much as an email letting me know I am part of his big fat plan...if it is.....I don't like him...I got other stuff to do.

          January 7, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
        • Observer


          So your attempt at an answer was to say the only options are ones we can think of today. Not a good answer. Open your mind a little bit more.

          January 6, 2014 at 10:58 pm |
        • panthrothiest

          you have done your willed job for the present and with that you have to be congratulated,but we have more to do,at the present we are only begining to effect His will of change so wl have to concentrate on todays change,which is the the acknowledgement of a scientific God ,whose origin is energy and we the willed product or consequence of it for the realization of His will.

          January 6, 2014 at 11:18 pm |
        • Observer


          Sorry, but your "scientific God" violated most of the critical laws of science, apparently making them OPTIONAL if you can believe the Bible. So much for God and science working together.

          January 6, 2014 at 11:22 pm |
        • Panthrotheism

          The proof of panthrotheistic was the establishment of the monotheistic religion,Jesus Christ was the God whose religion had convinced the roman emperor to decree that the Roman Empire had to adapt Christianity as it's official religion,paving the way for science to grow or proliferate and in the church era ,because of the fast growth of science in the Christian world.But we are now at the crossroad of change,Christian doctrine is now in conflict with modern science ,so it has to evolve to panthrotheism,the future religion

          January 7, 2014 at 7:12 am |
        • Panthrotheism

          This is now the challenge of modern theologians to develop a religion where Jesus is God,sent by Him to save humanity but most doctrines in the bible must be revised.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:18 am |
      • Scott

        So you claim everything around us is proof He exists.
        Do you have another world/universe without His existence as a comparison? What would be different if Zeus never existed, what if FSM never existed, or what if the God of the Bible never existed?

        Why is it your deity explain what you see more than the thousands of others?

        January 8, 2014 at 4:18 pm |
    • ECassious2

      Writing a bunch of mystical junk on a blog does not make you intelligent or interesting. How about a true debate?

      January 7, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
      • Nev

        Most of us humans percieve God's mind as like us,that because of His omnipotence all for Him is perfect,He ievolved humans in a humanistic mind and conscience,so we have to experience all of this you consider as mistakes,you have to accept the fact outright perfection is ideal,but how can we learn the true human experiences.he wants us to arrive to perfection through evolution or gradual change ,not immediate outright.

        January 7, 2014 at 7:27 pm |
      • Nev

        Debate is good,but what effect does it make,The you tube debates of Dawkins and the rest are exhaustive enough for the sharp mind,What we need is introspection and ask ourselves,Since the origin of every thing is the Big Bang and He was pure energy then we call Him God or what ever name you like,then through billions of years everything what is now is a product of evolution including the development of consciousness,so there is a guiding hand or will.If we cannot understand it at this stage of our evolution does not imply that He does not exist.So to settle this paradox you simplify it.

        January 7, 2014 at 7:44 pm |
        • urnotathinkerareu

           Hold on there Mister....We know there was a big bang...we are not sure IF it was the origin of everything given they are now suggesting multi-verses...so this also expands the question. We don't know. Where you seem to slip[ off the rails all the time is your contention god and/or created consciousness exits without ANY evidence of ANY kind except AN IDEA! The double paradox cannot exist because you made it up.  It doesn't exist UNTIL you prove there is a god.....then there is no paradox....all ducks line up to say there is no god as it is right now. There is no guiding hand and no evidence that there is. WE dont have to prove that there is no god. You cannot prove something that does not exist...is that too simple for you? IF you continue to contend that god exists in more than an idea...get back to us...if not there is  no serious challenge that can be logically considered by those who are intellectually doing their best to be honest with what is known.. 

          January 7, 2014 at 10:47 pm |
  9. Tom

    There is a reason why some Christians don't celebrate Christmas. They understand that it's a collection of non Christian traditions (All of the things that make Christmas fun!)

    While we put Christ back in Christmas Let's...
    Put Saturn back in Saturnalia!
    Put the Moon back in Monday!
    Put Tyr back in Tuesday!
    Put Woden back in Wednesday!
    Put Thor back in Thursday!
    Put Frigg (Venus) back in Friday!
    Put Saturn back in Saturday!
    Put the Sun God back in Sunday!
    Put Ishtar back in Easter!

    January 5, 2014 at 8:10 pm |
  10. Nick

    It's not atheists who are committing war on christmas. It's christians pretending to be the first to have ever created a holiday that are declaring war on all the other traditions around this time. It's selfish, childish and sickening.
    The atheist is there to point out the fact that christians did not create ANY of their practices or rituals, not even christmas.

    January 5, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      yeah! end the war on Yule.

      we need to put the Lugh back in Lugh-mass, slayer of Balor.

      more importantly take the day off to remember those who fallen in Magh Tuireadh, and celebrate their memories with gifts and sex

      January 5, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
    • panthrotheist

      theists and atheists are humans,therefore they are part of god,physically and spiritually,Their actions are just part of their job in implementing gods will,since its through evolution that it is manifisted into reality,the dialectical process of arriving to the truth is necessary.and thats part of the process of change which is dynamic.

      January 5, 2014 at 7:29 pm |
      • Scott

        Theists and atheists are part of FSM and His noodliness.
        Hmmm, seems like an empty claim when the existence of FSM is not well supported.
        The claims that FSM had a noodle in evolution is based on what?

        As for the use of god vs. God - if it is any deity then God works, if it is referring to the god of the Bible then God is just a shorter way to reference one or more of the versions of that god.

        January 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm |
        • panthrotheist

          the purpose why God allowed multiple religions to evolve and exist in the distant and even today is because our minds intellectual capacity has increased tremendously after we became civilized about 10,000 years go.Earlier when we were hunter gatherers our priorities was just to find food to survive,Then we became more knowlegible and our concern includes the intelle tual need to understand the meaning and purpose of our existence,so God allowed the founding and establishment of many religions by humans to conform with their intellectual, social and educational development,Since this is not static,it contiually diversify and change to conform with their times of existince,History showed that this is continuesly improving,so the future expects changes towards Panthrotheism in accordance to His will.

          January 10, 2014 at 4:34 am |
        • urnotathinkerareu

          Did god ALLOW this or did humans EVOLVE because they began to understand the key to a btter life was to use their brain as well as their braun? You seem to think god |allows" for everything and if that is so why didnt he just create this in the first place....evolution or "allowed" creationism...one or the other but not both.....why? because there is no evidence to your claim that "god allowed".....when u have some then make the claim...until then...its ONLY a belief.

          January 10, 2014 at 3:54 pm |
    • ECassious2

      Christmas was a Holiday created by Christians and placed intentionally at the same time as a Paegan Holiday (way way way back) in order to draw attention away. Christmas has always been celebrated in this country with the understanding that it is the a celebration of the birth of Christ. The date is not known to be the literal birth date, but that is the intent. Whether you believe or not or like it or not, when you you Celebrate Christmas (gifts and all) you are partaking of the celebration of the Birth of Christ. The gifts represent the gifts from the wise men or as some prefer to say symbolizes Christ as the greatest gift of all. heck, even good ole saint nick (the historical figure) was a Christ follower. He embodied the giving christian Spirit. We don't have to worry about putting the Christ back in Christmas. He is embedded there. It is a christian Holiday, period. My thought for people who have a problem with the holiday is to simply not celebrate. This is what I do for various Holidays. You should teach Christmas a lesson and put it out of business.

      January 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
    • ECassious2

      By the way, the other Holidays around this time are represented. Christians are not trying to take over these holidays nor is anyone suggesting they should not exist. We aren't even celebrating them but insisting on calling them something else. Christmas is not the most popular holiday because it took over the other holidays. It has been the most popular, because this country has historically been a predominately christian nation and that is our Holiday to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

      January 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
      • Scott

        Then don't get bent out of shape when someone says 'Happy Hollidays'.
        The only Christian aspect of Christmas is baby Jesus – which the date was selected to usurp other celebrations.

        January 8, 2014 at 4:45 pm |
  11. billy vidal

    christmass is wrong,, this is contrary to the laws of god about celebrate the death of jesus or paqua christmass is created of roman catholics to insult the laws of the god, and 25 ,, god never use this number, because this is a number of warrior or guerra,, and 12 also,, 12 means of back of v,, means againts,,,, i have no research of jesus birth but for me,,, sept 27, or october 27 , and this is the number of god,,,, november is 11 or killer 12 is december,, againts or rebel,,, 8 is august or evil or code number of rebel alien,,,,january up to april or 4 is from the god , may or 5 is for liar or reversable,,, 6 is code number of god or 666, the doomsday or final judgement,,, 7 is warrior the numerical code of satan or alien are 8 ,,13 ,,23 ,,,,,AND 5 BUT IAM NOT SURE FOR 5 BECAUSE THIS IS CONVERTABLE,,, W AND M,,

    January 5, 2014 at 9:00 am |
    • Kermtrebber

      Dude take your meds

      January 5, 2014 at 10:49 am |


        January 5, 2014 at 11:28 am |
    • john

      Something tells me you may have believed in g(G)od at one time. You went from god to God . Why would you capitalize the G in god if he was/is not real ? Just a silly thing I noticed. I once was programmed to believe in him the way my parents taught me. Now, with the world as it is, I just don't see it.

      January 8, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
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