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January 7th, 2014
10:00 AM ET

Satanists unveil design for OK statehouse statue

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Satanists have unveiled their design for a proposed statue at the Oklahoma state Capitol, including a place for people to sit on the devil's lap "for inspiration and contemplation."

The New York-based Satanic Temple submitted its proposal to Oklahoma officials this month after applying for a spot on Capitol grounds late last year. The Satanists say their statue would "complement and contrast" with a Ten Commandments monument placed at the Capitol in Oklahoma City in 2012.

The Satanists' proposed monument depicts Baphomet, a goat-headed pagan idol sitting on a 7-foot-tall throne inscribed with an inverted pentagram. In an artist's rendering provided by the Satanic Temple, smiling children look adoringly at the devilish figure.

"The statue will serve as a beacon calling for compassion and empathy among all living creatures," Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Satanic Temple, said in a prepared statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation.”

According to its Indiegogo page, the Satanists have raised more than $16,000 toward their goal of $20,000 for the monument, which Greaves said would "be a historical marker commemorating the scapegoats, the marginalized, the demonized minority and the unjustly outcast.”

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, according to Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

READ MORE: Satanists want statue next to Ten Commandments

The proposed statue includes quotations from poets Lord Byron and William Blake.

“Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels with bricks of Religion” runs the Blake quotation. The 18th-century poet was a Christian, albeit one with a mystical bent and little use for traditional morality.

The statue's main figure, Baphomet, has long been associated with Satan, Greaves said. In the 12th century, the Knights Templar, a group of Christian crusaders, were accused of worshiping Baphomet in their secretive rituals.

"From the mythology created by these accusations against the Templars, we now have a symbol for Satan pictured as a goat-headed beast," Greaves said.

Since the 1960s, a variation of the horned goat head has been the official symbol of the Church of Satan, which is not affiliated with the Temple of Satan. The head of the Church of Satan has told CNN he does not approve of the idea of a Satanist statue on public grounds.

Oklahoma state Rep. Paul Wesselhoft told CNN that he doesn't think the Satanists' statue will be approved.

“What will disqualify them has really nothing to do with Satan as such; it's that it has no historical significance for the state of Oklahoma,” he said.

Trait Thompson, chairman of Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Committee, said he has not received the Satanists' proposed design yet. He also said that no applications will be considered until a lawsuit over the Ten Commandments monument is settled.

The American Civil Liberties Union has sued over Oklahoma's Ten Commandments monument, calling it an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

After news broke of the Satanists' proposal, the state was flooded with requests from religious groups seeking to erect monuments to their own faith, including Hindus and Pastafarians, a satirical religion that "worships" the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

An Oklahoma lawmaker told CNN that the Satanists' message wouldn't fly in the Bible Belt state, where nearly two-thirds of the population is Christian.

"Any monument displayed on state property should reflect the values of Oklahoma or memorialize those who built or defended our freedom," Rep. Bob Cleveland said Tuesday. "In my opinion, this Satanist monument does not meet with the values of Oklahomans."

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Satanism

soundoff (3,489 Responses)
  1. steve

    why not put statues of cereal box characters like count chocula, or that goofy guy from lucky charms

    January 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      If there was a Church of Count Chocula, indeed, why not?

      January 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
      • Easy

        The biggest monument they could put there is a huge question mark symbol to represent atheism. Since every atheists questioned everyone and everything.

        January 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy

          "questioned everyone and everything."

          Good idea. That's MUCH BETTER than blindly accepting a 2,000-year-old book with some good morals, but also contains errors, contradictions, hypocrisy and nonsense.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:07 pm |
        • David Lejdar

          And that's how many a psycho trip starts?

          January 7, 2014 at 7:23 pm |
  2. Robert Raulerson

    Adam; " Are you sure Gawd approves of me looking at Eve this way Lucifer?"

    Satan; " Dood, why would The Big Guy create Naked Ladies and give men eyes if he dint want the latter looking at the former?"

    January 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
  3. steve

    doesn't seem anymore goofy than any other religious statue.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
  4. edwardst35

    The statue looks like an Egyptian idol of one of their "dark Gods"........the thing looks hideous because he looks like a jackal with two little kids next to him. I certainly would not approve of it because it is a step backward to the Dark Ages. If I were not a Christian I might not mind worshiping maybe a tree because they are a symbol of strength and a lot of the species live longer than we do. I really don't know but it does look hideous.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
    • Sky

      That's pretty much the point of postmodern LaVeyan Satanism. It's not about Devil worship, it's just designed to troll Christianity for lolz.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
  5. Mr.Smith

    Pick up thy Christian sword.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
    • Uncommon Sense

      And like a good Christian soldier, please trip over it.

      January 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
  6. DamienFish

    If people are so convinced that the Lord Thy God watches over and protects them, they why worry about a little statue of Satan?

    After all, without Satan, there would be no endless struggle that we must all fight for, and ultimately gain salvation.

    You want to put something up that is way more scary? Plop down a statue of a comet, or a big asteroid – something that could wipe us out in a blink of the eye, thus showing the true Indifference of Thy God.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:22 pm |
  7. Robert Raulerson

    Satan; "Adam, dood, check out Eve now that the scales have fallen from yer eyes."

    Adam' " Whoa-ho! Dood! Was she always here and I coodent see it?"

    Satan; "She was always here dood. The Big Guy just dint want you to see her."

    January 7, 2014 at 6:21 pm |
  8. Magister

    Every once in a while I think I've seen everything.......and then I get proven wrong.....

    January 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
  9. Carl, Secaucus, NJ

    It's true the Bible shows at least one instance of God and Satan working together, in the Book of Job. Some Christians believe that the same thing sometimes happens to them (God allowing Satan to attack them to test their faith).

    January 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
    • Anonymous

      You are falsifying the Book of Job. For according to that ancient book Satan tried to tempt God into annhilating Job and tried to tempt Job into cursing God to his face. God took Satan's bet,and long story short Satan lost the bet. Once again the Worm is supremely unwise.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:28 pm |
      • cedar rapids

        so why would a god take that bet? for what possible purpose?

        January 7, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
        • Anonymous

          A very interesting question indeed worthy of theological and even secular philosophical ponderance indeed.

          As the story goes then Angels came before God's Throne, and Satan came with them. God asked Satan what he was up to, Satan said he was patrolling and roaming the Earth. God asked him if he noticed Job His righteous servant and how Job was a man of unparalleled righteousness for his day. Satan argued that Job was only righteous because God blessed Job and protected him. Satan claimed that if God removed his protection from Job that Job would curse God to His face. This is the wager. One could also look at it as Satan arguing that Job does not have free will but is instead bound to The God because of good fortune. So by taking up this wager God would prove that Job is righteous because of Job's own choice to be righteous, that God is not unjust (by showing that Job does indeed have freewil and is not merely a puppetl), and that Satan is once again a stupid worm. As said before in the end God and Job ultimately win the wager.

          Even if you are not religious I would highly recommend reading the Book of Job, it is acclaimed as one of the most supremely great pieces of literature throughout history.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          but why would god have to prove anything to satan? whats happened is satan has won by provoking god to allow satan to be seen as someone important enough to listen too and bet with and allowing people to be killed in that bet. Bully for job but not great for those poor sods that were killed like unimportant pawns simply for a bet.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:03 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          God's a gambler apparently. He never did write "Thou shalt not gamble" and on the eight day, god created vegas.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:04 pm |
        • Anonymous

          You ask why God would take Satan's et to begin with. It goes back to Satan's mockery that the only reason Job beleives in God is because of good fortune. If God did not take the wager would not Satan be able to say that he was right and that Job only worships God because of his good fortune?

          You say pity to whoever died, but why pity? Do you not know that God is able to, and also promises to bring back to life everyone that ever lived? The overall point of the various Biblical books written variably throughout history and compiled in what you call the Bible is that Mankind choose to die and Mankind chose to live in a World of Death instead of God's World of Life. This is why overall the wicked world must be dissolved so that the Perfect World can be created and immortality can once more be restored as it was meant to be in the Beginning.

          @Willis: Is God really a gambler or did He know He won from the start? It would seem to me that Satan is the gambler and Satan continually loses his bets, but being the Supreme Fool of the Universe continues his gamble. As evidenced on this very commentboard the only way any of you can insult God is by deliberately lying and falsifying.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:28 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          So he hedged his bet? If he knew the outcome of the said bet, then why would he bet in the first place. In fact, why use an innocent person (and his favorite admirer) to make a bet he knew he would win to begin with. Sounds to me like either god is playing games or else the people who wrote this fairy tale had no clue.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:47 pm |
        • Anonymous

          @Willis You say God hedged the bet, but God did not propose the bet. Once again it was Satan who proposed the bet, a bet which Satan lost. Perhaps it was stupid for Satan to make a bet that he was destined to lose, but thus is the way of Satan, the way of Stupidity.

          Let me use a more modern and humanistic parable: If I bet you right now stupidly that the sky was not blue, would you not take my wager knowing that I have all ready lost my own bet?

          Perhaps you should read the Bible before you knock it.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:52 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          I couldn't take that wager because you're right (not stupidly however) that the sky is in fact NOT blue. The sky is every color but blue. Blue is the color that's reflected onto our pupil and that's why it appears blue (or grey).
          With that out of the way, I understand your logic. But to put it another way, if you were all powerful, knew everything that was in the past, present and future, could create planets with your bare hands and wield stars like they were marbles, why would you let someone go through all the trouble of learning to do right when you could have easily created them to be right and "in your own image" to begin with? Sounds like god might not be as omnipotent as you think.

          January 7, 2014 at 8:21 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          ' If God did not take the wager would not Satan be able to say that he was right and that Job only worships God because of his good fortune?'

          Why would god care what satan said? and how would anyone know about what satan did or did not say? Is there any book other than the bible that claims to have statements made by satan?

          'You say pity to whoever died, but why pity? Do you not know that God is able to, and also promises to bring back to life everyone that ever lived?'

          Sure that meant a lot to the poor sods as they were dying, and to the family members as they saw their numbers being reduced.

          'Let me use a more modern and humanistic parable: If I bet you right now stupidly that the sky was not blue, would you not take my wager knowing that I have all ready lost my own bet?'

          You mean would I take advantage of you? maybe, seeing as I am human, but isnt god above that sort of stuff?

          January 7, 2014 at 8:03 pm |
        • Rho

          "Anonymous", do keep in mind that atheists generally know the bible better than Christians do.

          Listen to that thin ice creak...

          January 7, 2014 at 8:06 pm |
        • Anonymous

          @ Rho - You say Atheists know the Bible better than Christians do. If this is true; why then do Atheists falsify the Bible? Why is the only way an atheist can compete with the Bible is by falsifying it? If an Atheist knows the Bible better than Christians then you should be able to rebuke Christians based on the Bible, not by falsifying the Bible or distorting its context or using outright lies contrary to the Bible. Seems to me not one Atheist here can accomplish this. Not a single one can use the Bible in its context against itself.

          @ Cedar
          1. Why would God care what Satan says: because if God did not prove Satan wrong wouldn't you argue that Satan was right? Therefore what is wrong with God proving Himself correct whenever He wishes it?

          2. Who would know what Satan did or did not say: This ties into why God would prove Satan wrong, because if He did not do this then you wouldn't know that there is God, or you might make up fables where you imagine God is wrong out of your own vanity.

          3. Is there any religion besides Christianity (and I add here also Judaism) that talks of Satan, or gives quotes of Satan: There is in fact One religion whose False Prophet claims that he could not tell the difference between Satan and an Angel and also claims that the book he was given was written by this Being. As proof that the False Prophet did not write the book on his own volition the False Prophet claims he himself is illiterate. This is a great mystery that fulfills the Christian Prophecies and is devouring the Earth as we speak and the foolish Atheists and Witches cannot see how their own dark master has sold them out. They cannot even hope to fight it even if they do see it because they do not understand it, nor believe it, even as it devours their brethren and children in this very day to their very face. The followers of the False Prophet and their unholy war waxes hot across the face of Earth even today and this fire is growing, not shrinking. Yet the foolish witches and atheists persecute and ridicule the Christians, their only possible defense against it.

          4. You say I should tell the poor sods killed long ago that I do not pity their First Death. However, what shall you say to them on the Day God raises them up from the netherworld? Will you say you are sorry that they get to live again? I pity the living more than I pity the dead, for the Promise of God is the Resurrection. So seeing as their death is only momentary; why pity?

          5. So you confirm that if a stupid person made a stupid bet that you would take it yourself. This is the same with God, since God is Truth I see no reason why God would not vindicate Himself when so brazenly dared by such a stupid being as the Old Serpent. Why would God be above proving Himself correct time and time again? He does this all the time and only the stupid, like that stupid worm, seem to never comprehend this and continue to challenge Him no matter how many times they are proven wrong to their face. Lol but don't dismay, for just as you would vindicate yourself when so openly dared, so God also vindicates Himself. Know this and you will begin to get wisdom, and I think you stand a good chance of gaining wisdom. You seem like an okay person to me.

          (I must go for now and I should say I trully did enjoy our conversation, particularly with you cedar, throughout the commentboard. Even if we have disagreement I enjoy the philosophical aspect of the debate/discussion if anything. I would encourage anyone, even if you do not believe in God, to at least read the many books, written variably throughout history, compiled in what you call the Bible. For the Bible is not One Book, it is a collection of Many Books, it was not forged by the catholics, but in fact provably predates the catholic church. I am not telling you to believe it, but I recommend at least reading it as matter of philosophical contemplation for in it is contained the wisdom of our Ancient forefathers. Remember the Literati have hope, the Illiterati are doomed to fulfill the prophecies in the Books by the hand of their own foolishness. God bless you all with greater understanding and good night.)

          January 7, 2014 at 9:07 pm |
        • Cedar Rapids

          '1. Why would God care what Satan says: because if God did not prove Satan wrong wouldn't you argue that Satan was right?'
          But if I wasn't told what satan claimed how would I know about it to make that argument.? Couldn't god have just as easily told satan 'no bet' and that story not been put in the bible? No one would have been any the wiser.

          'So seeing as their death is only momentary; why pity?'
          What about their act of dying? His 10 kids dying when the house is destroyed by a strong wind. Were they terrified you think? Were they screaming in fear? Was their deaths instant as the house collapsed? Was their mother okay with her kids being killed you think? You need yo forget the whole once dead thing and remember the terror caused during the act of dying and the effects of the ones left behind.
          Let me put this to you.......you have a young child. They die in front of you and there is nothing you can do to stop it.....then you get told they died because of a bet. Can you really shrug your shoulders and go 'not an issue, they will be reborn later'?

          January 7, 2014 at 10:13 pm |
  10. davessworks

    Yeah – like that's ever going to happen

    January 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
  11. Observer

    We could always bring back the Christian witch hunts here.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm |
    • Easy

      Atheists are not murders?

      January 7, 2014 at 6:50 pm |
      • Observer

        Easy,

        You don't KNOW???

        January 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm |
      • Dippy's Aide

        Murders?

        Maybe you meant murderers?

        Are you a hillbilly?

        January 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm |
        • Easy

          Are you a spelling bee teacher?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
        • Observer

          Spelling bee teacher?

          lol.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:58 pm |
  12. Robert Raulerson

    Satan is the First Friend of Knowledge. Gawd had Adam and Eve in ignorance till Satan wised them up. Adam dint even know Eve was nude till Satan showed him. Boy, was Adam grateful! Thank you Satan! Thank you very much!

    January 7, 2014 at 6:15 pm |
    • Anonymous

      You are incorrect. For Adam and Eve had knowledge, but not knowledge of evil. Thus they were immortal and could not die. However you can thank the Stupid Snake for using a lie to bring Death into the World. This also means Satan was given a mortal life span as well, thus making him the most supremely stupid of all literary characters and also Adam and Eve in their stupidity for following him began to die.

      Or so the story goes.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:25 pm |
    • Easy

      Adam was never that ignorant, the truth is Adam and Eve were not perverts until Satan the King of gays and atheists showed and perverted them.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm |
      • Observer

        Easy,

        Do heteros engage in any "perversions"?

        So SKIP the HYPOCRISY.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:29 pm |
        • Easy

          You seem to have a problem with the term hypocrisy. Is this because you are indeed an hypocrite person, and you can't stop being one that you blame everyone else being one?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:40 pm |
        • Observer

          It's Christian HYPOCRITES who CHOOSE verses against gays while CHOOSING NOT to follow the Golden Rule when it comes to gays.

          Now THAT is HYPOCRISY.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          So how did you do on the HYPOCRISY test?

          Do heteros engage in "perversions" too? Stumped?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:51 pm |
        • Easy

          I notice one other thing from you, when someone hit you on the right nerve, you always switch to swing around the original subject, it seems like you you're trying to avoid keeping the original subject on track.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:53 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          lol. Sorry you've missed this TWICE. See if you can do better:

          Do heteros engage in "perversions" too? Stumped?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm |
        • Easy

          When or if they do is with an opposite s e x gender, it may be called perversion but it's less disgusting.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:59 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          Ask some of your male friends if they consider it a "disgusting perversion" when they drool over watching two attractive women engaging in gay s3x. lol. Get serious. Skip the HYPOCRISY.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:02 pm |
        • Easy

          Of course if i ask some teenage kids it would. It's just about every teenage bot fantasy until they grow up into being a mature person. Any teenage boys and girls have all kinds of s e x a u a l fantasies. It's like gays and lesbians for example, these people never grow past their teenage period, mentally speaking. And that is also why they act like they do.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:09 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          Reading disability? Ask your MALE friends. You know, the ones that buy and watch more of the p0rn.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:12 pm |
        • Easy

          Watching something pervert doesn't make someone a full pervert, it is perversion but to a certain degree. But participating in those pervert acts is another thing, and therefor those participants are fully perverts. It's just like everything else, someone stealing a bag of chips once in their lifetime don't make that person a major bank robber. Or someone driving their cars at 100mph once in a while don't make that person a professional racing driver. You seem to have difficulties in making differences between a seasonal worker and a person working all year around.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:21 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy

          "Watching something pervert doesn't make someone a full pervert, it is perversion but to a certain degree"

          Lol. So they drool as they watch it, but consider it "disgusting" and "perverted". By the way, the word is "PERVERTED" in your statement.

          You haven't thought this through at all. How many "disgusting perversions" do you buy videos of and fantasize about?

          Get serious. You are just desperately trying any EXCUSE you can think of and not succeeding at all. Ask your ADULT MALE friends and get back to REALITY.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:27 pm |
        • Easy

          You see that's the difference between you and me. You're not realistic as much as you might think you are. Your mind is so black that you think every one is even worst than you are. It must be very sad being you, and you must feel so empty inside. I wish you luck and hope someday that you will open up to the possibility that not everyone is like you or worst than you.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm |
        • Easy

          You see that's the difference between you and me. You're not realistic as much as you might think you are. Your mind is so datk that you think every one is even worst than you are. It must be very sad being you, and you must feel so empty inside. I wish you luck and hope someday that you will open up to the possibility that not everyone is like you or worst than you.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:41 pm |
      • Willis Fitnurbut

        I thought Christians believed in free will and all that jazz? Didn't those two wacky kids have a choice to be evil?

        January 7, 2014 at 6:57 pm |
        • Snap out of it

          If you were there parents is that what you would want?

          January 7, 2014 at 7:09 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          God is Adam and Eves parents? That's even weirder than two people populating the earth and no one ends up r etard ed.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:31 pm |
  13. Gollum

    When there is a perfectly good atheist state like North Korea on the map, why don't these people make a trip there and get inspiration.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
    • Robert Raulerson

      Marxism is a religion.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:16 pm |
    • asdrel

      Maybe because they don't want to leave thier own country just because some people feel that the United States should be a country just for Christians.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm |
    • bostontola

      There is a perfectly good state with a state religion in England, why don't you go there? I prefer a secular state.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm |
      • Gollum

        You make no sense. Secularism isn't atheism. North Korea is atheist, not secular.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:40 pm |
        • bostontola

          Unlike you, I prefer a secular state, not a state that imposes a belief, even if it matches mine.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:43 pm |
        • The Real Satan

          North Korea isn't atheist – they worship the ruling family.

          January 8, 2014 at 1:58 am |
      • Gollum

        Hey, pompous moron. I never said what kind of state I'd like. So sit in your pompous hoity-toity world where you like to think you are better than others. I simply said North Korea is an atheist state.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      If you wish to reside in a theocratic country, might we suggest Iran, Irag, Seria?

      January 7, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
      • Gollum

        Don't know what you mean. It makes no sense. I can choose to wish in any country I like. But I think atheists should visit North Korea just to see what happens when atheism is taken to a logical and legal conclusion.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Re-read what you typed! It sounded very like you were advising Atheists to leave.
          Yes you can reside where you wish, just as all other can.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
        • Uncommon Sense

          Gollum: Of course you don't understand what they are saying... You are arguing that those who favor Freedom from YOUR Religion should go to an "Atheist" country like NK. However, they in turn are saying you should follow your own advice and go to a "monotheistic" country like you seem to support here in America. Therefore they suggest a country like Iran, Saudi Arabia or other Theocracies. If you visited one of those countries you would see what a mess it is to have national support for one religion.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
        • G to the T

          You are confusing "secular" with "anti-theist". Most totalitarian regimes don't like to share power (that's the "total" part in totalitarian) – religion can either work with the regime (as we sometimes see with Islam or Spain in the 1600's) or against it. When it's seen as a rival for power, these regimes will do everything they can to remove that rival.

          Secular on the other hand, protect you, me and joe schmo in pieora all the same. Which would you prefer?

          January 8, 2014 at 11:22 am |
    • Alton Copland

      North Korea isn't an atheist state... they worship their emperors/leaders as Gods with Divine Mandates. Nice try, though.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:21 pm |
      • Gollum

        Sorry. Wrong. That's the misconception spread in the West, because it is reported that they worship their leaders like gods. The truth is, there is no god, that's why the leader becomes all important. It is an atheist state (even Soviet Union was not and China isn't). North Korea has laws on the books banning any kind of religion. Soviet Union had state atheism, but allowed the practice of religion. The Chinese may persecute religious sects they feel are threats to the state, but they allow the practice of religion. Communism may be godless, but the state can allow the practice of religion. In North Korea it is different. It believes that belief in god should be illegal; and going by laws on its books, it is. They call the leader 'Dear Leader', not god.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:38 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          I sure am glad that the North Korean diplomat is here to explain how their country works and its religious laws.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:10 pm |
        • dlindie

          Nobody is suggesting that religions be outlawed in this country. Why is it so important that religious texts of any type be promoted by our government? Secular is not the same as atheist. A secular government allows for all or no religious belief systems. Christians think that if their gods are not promoted, then their individual right to self expression is being violated. Ludicrous.

          January 8, 2014 at 10:34 am |
        • G to the T

          "They call the leader 'Dear Leader', not god." That's your defense for why we shouldn't consider it a cult of personality worhiping the leaders as if they were gods?

          Pretty weak bud...

          January 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm |
    • sly

      Why? We own this country now. We now have our first non-white President. We ended your 2 Bushie Oil wars. We kicked the TeaBillies butz when they tried to shut down America and seceed.

      We are now whuupin' on y'all evil Godsters, and preventing you from beating up all the minorities and gay folks.

      Yup – we won. Our nation. If we want to smoke our pot – we won – we will!

      Our America: Love it or leave it baby. (we may still kick your little white tail out anyway though, so be good!)

      January 7, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
      • Gollum

        You are just another atheistic moron who thrives on misunderstanding. I'm not even American and I'm definitely more liberal than you. What a dimwit. I just think that all the atheists should make a visit to North Korea to see what the world would really be like if religion was made illegal. And remember: there's not much difference between a leap of faith and a leap of logic. So think before you speak. Atheists think they have the cornerstone on rationality and logic. They don't. A simple conversation with one is easy to illustrate this. You, for example.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:46 pm |
        • Uncommon Sense

          Gollum: You misunderstand most Atheists. We don't desire to outlaw religion, we just want religion out of laws, off public property and kept in private where it belongs. You can worship the tooth fairy for all we care. But when you try to make laws based on Great Sayings from the Good Book of the Tooth Fairy, that's where we draw the line.

          January 7, 2014 at 7:01 pm |
      • Snap out of it

        I just can't take anyone serious when they come up with their clever names for those they are against whether on the right or left. Bushies? Teabaggers? Democraps? I don't think anyone does.

        By the way, think of what you are saying. Yes you have the right to be an atheist. I wish you well. No you should not try to take a principle and support something evil. Let's just use common sense.

        And for those that are telling Christians to move to a secular country, they have the right to be in the USA as much as anyone else and promote things like love, grace, forgiveness, tolerance, kindness. As an atheist why not promote good vs. evil. The comments the gentleman made about North Korea are true. They are an Atheist state. Look at the shape they are in. That is the last place I would want to live.

        January 7, 2014 at 7:06 pm |
  14. Uncle Al

    1) The Devil is a redheaded woman whose knees bend the other way.
    2) Cast it in Inconel 686 or Hastelloy C-2000. Pyroceram would be wonderful, but brittle toward physical assault.
    3) God asks everything of you in this life, with a promise to compensate afterward, maybe. The Devil rewards up front, then dickers repayment afterward. Who brokers the more trustworthy deal?
    4) Don't the arms look kinda skinny? I have the David O. McKay 1963 edition of the Book of Mormon, illustrated (scares away Seventh Day Adventists like a, well, miracle). Color plate to the left of page 39. Did the kid grow up to be Steve Reeves?

    January 7, 2014 at 6:12 pm |
  15. Yes It's Not!

    "a satirical religion that 'worships' the Flying Spaghetti Monster." Oddly enough, believing in a probably-genetically-modified, flying spaghetti monster is STILL more realistic than the belief in God. If you want to believe in something that actually has some backing, why not Odin. Have you seen any Frost Giants walking around lately? No? Well, you shouldn't thank God, you should thank Odin for that. Obviously, what happened was Odin smited the h e double hockey sticks out of a bunch of ice giants a long time ago before he was KO'd by a wolf. Duh. You silly Christians and your ideas about zombie saviors and one person being three people all at the same tiem. Everybody knows there is no such thing as zombies... 🙂

    January 7, 2014 at 6:12 pm |
  16. Jeebusss

    Good thing is only in people's deluded imagination! However, if the Bible WAS real, God killed a héll of a lot more people than Satan ever did. I think Satan's total kill count was around 10 people in the entire Bible, but meanwhile God participated in genocide amounting to over 2 million+ deaths. Turns out God is kinda a model psychopath.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
    • Austin

      well this is a different aspect of justice.

      there are 2 groups of people.
      people who accept salvation, they get eternal life
      people who reject salvation, they are eternally seperated because they want to be

      there is no injustice-just the torment of seperation that they choose.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm |
      • Uncommon Sense

        Austin: There are two types of people:
        Those who use rational thought and look for truth through science and reason, they live productive lives.
        Those who use theocratic dogma to waste away their hours worshiping the non-existent and dreaming of an afterlife that will never come.

        My comments above are as ridiculous as yours. It is a shame you don't realize the your comments are nonsense.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:44 pm |
  17. Robert Raulerson

    If The Devil dint exist people would have had to invent him. Actually, the devil doesn't exist and people did invent him. But what a handy-dandy excuse he is! How easy to blame him for all the rotten things you've done!

    January 7, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
    • Easy

      The devil is less likely to be blamed, the one who's blamed all the time is either God or Jesus.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:10 pm |
      • Observer

        According to the Bible, God killed FAR FAR FAR MORE people than Satan.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
        • Easy

          According to history Mao and Stalin both atheists killed even more than that.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:20 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          Mao and Stalin killed everyone in the world twice? Good thing Noah saw those two weirdos coming and built a boat that could fit all of the animals on the planet in it. I just want to know who's going to be responsible for Celine Deon?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          According to the Bible, at one point God torturously drowned EVERY pregnant woman, child, baby, and fetus ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

          No tyrant EVER came close to that.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
        • Easy

          Just give the world more atheist leaders and then do your math in 20 years from now, after that see how many dead people there will be.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          Will EVERY pregnant woman, child, baby, and fetus ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH be torturously drowned like God did? Will ONLY EIGHT people be left?

          lol..

          January 7, 2014 at 6:33 pm |
        • Easy

          The whole planet will be brainwashed into turning everyone gay, then who's going to populate this planet after everyone's gone? Now who's the biggest planet killer?

          January 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm |
  18. Shark

    The point of the satanist statue is to show how ridiculous it is to allow certain religions to have statues while others do not have representation.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
    • Easy

      What will be next, gays will be approved to expose a huge monument representing a big male p e n i s in public?

      January 7, 2014 at 6:12 pm |
      • Observer

        Easy,

        The ONLY person making that claim is YOU.

        Please keep your FANTASIES to yourself.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
      • truthprevails1

        What??? Are you saying gay is a belief system?

        January 7, 2014 at 6:18 pm |
        • Easy

          Yeah, gay is a religion of faith. They have faith that someday they will color this whole world in pink and make everyone gay.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
        • Willis Fitnurbut

          Gay is a religion. Just ask any priest who loves the boys.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:54 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy,

          Grow up. Get an education. You are just making a FOOL of yourself.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:26 pm |
        • Easy

          Observer, if you would only spend less time reporting other people opinion as abusive, maybe you would be able to concentrate much more and make sense out of their opinions.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:32 pm |
        • Observer

          Easy

          "Observer, if you would only spend less time reporting other people opinion as abusive"

          Are you DELUSIONAL enough to claim I pressed "Report abuse" on something you said? Really? I want everyone to be able to see the NONSENSE you are spouting.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:37 pm |
        • Easy

          Observer you are in fact an addicted liar. I've been seeing you for at least the past 8 months if not more, and have read your comments. It's didn't took me too long to figure out you were the one doing this and also didn't took me long to figure out how much of a liar you are.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:46 pm |
        • Easy

          Sorry i wanted to say compulsive liar instead.

          January 7, 2014 at 6:48 pm |
  19. Atheism is a religion?!

    Many Satanists don't worship the Christian idea of satan. It literally has nothing to do with the worship or believing in Satan. If anything, the foundation of the religion is do what you want without facing any type of punishment in the afterlife. I see no reason why they want a statue of the devil when many don't worship him? Look at black metal. Most black metal bands are strongly against Christianity(most people think metal is connected to Satanism) for many different reasons. Besides, Satan is still an angel regardless of what movies and paintings depict him as.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:08 pm |
  20. Q

    This sounds like a very stupid idea. I can see the humor in it, but in the end all these folks from New York are going to do is upset the locals who will at very least desecrate this $20k monument, or drag off with it and destroy it somewhere else. If it was something they really believed in, and were the locals doing it, I wouldn't say too much, even though I disagree with their beliefs, but seeing that they are reaching out to afar just to upset the locals who are going to see it as an attack does nothing constructive but make it a Monty Python moment at the very least.

    January 7, 2014 at 6:07 pm |
    • Easy

      That's atheism at work, that's how they respect people paying taxes.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
    • Jane

      It's to make a point, nothing more. OK overstepped, and now they'll have to deal with the consequences.

      Although a MP statue of the Inquisition guys would be hilarious.

      January 7, 2014 at 6:12 pm |
      • Easy

        Nonetheless, it's a very expensive point to make.

        January 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      you suggesting the local christians are law breaking vandals?

      January 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm |
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