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January 13th, 2014
12:00 PM ET

Breastfeeding in church? Pope says yes

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - Amid the iconic art in the Sistine Chapel on Sunday, Pope Francis told mothers that it's acceptable to breastfeed their children in public, even in holy sites like churches.

Children's voices, even when crying, make "the most beautiful choir of all," Francis said during a service in which he baptized 32 children.

"Some will cry because they are uncomfortable or because they are hungry," the Pope said. "If they are hungry, mothers, let them eat, no worries, because here, they are the main focus."

The Sistine Chapel, with its famous frescoes by Michelangelo, is the official chapel of the Apostolic Palace, traditionally the papal residence. Francis, though, lives in the Vatican guesthouse, Casa Santa Marta, saying it better suits his low-key style.

The Pope's remarks echo statements he made to an Italian newspaper in December in which he tied breastfeeding to the problem of global hunger.

At a recent General Audience - or public appearance by the Pope - a young mother sat behind a screen with her crying infant, Francis told La Stampa.

"I said to her: 'Madam, I think the child’s hungry. ... Please give it something to eat!' " the Pope said.

"She was shy and didn’t want to breastfeed in public, while the Pope was passing," he continued. "I wish to say the same to humanity: Give people something to eat! That woman had milk to give to her child; we have enough food in the world to feed everyone."

Emer McCarthy, a journalist at Vatican Radio, told Catholic News Service that she breastfed her daughter discreetly during Sunday's baptism ceremony. "Who would have thought the Pope would be this great proponent?" she said.

Breastfeeding in public, particularly in sacred sites such as churches, remains a sensitive issue for families, as noted by a recent Religion News Service article.

A blog post on "Five Places Moms Need to Breastfeed Discreetly" listed churches as No. 5, following public pools, restaurants, airplanes and sporting events.

"It's wonderful when moms want to bring the kids to church and nurture their faith early on," wrote blogger Mary Fischer. "But a coverup is a necessity with a baby in tow. Do I really have to elaborate here?"

- CNN Belief Blog Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Church • Ethics • Faith & Health • Food • gender issues • Health • Houses of worship • Mass • Pope Francis • Sacred Spaces • Women

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  1. Anthony Crispino

    I already went to a 5pm mass yesterday and made an early one today and I didn't see any breast feeding goin on. Did they fire off the cannons to make this a law everywhere already? I'm ready for the feeding frenzy – I even got a new pair of them laser vision sunglasses and my nephew Toolie said he'd watch my neighbor's hubcaps for the next few days for me.

    January 14, 2014 at 9:34 am |
    • Anthony Crispino

      Someone help me out here already. I think I confessed too much yesterday and today – I won't know what to say next time. Hey – can I confess in advance – you know, like about something I'm going to be lookin at that I shouldn't be lookin at?

      January 14, 2014 at 10:22 am |
      • Daniel

        I could be wrong, but I think you have to do it first. I don't know. Try and confess first and see if you have been "touched". If not, do the sin first and confess. Good luck with everything. Let us know how it turns out. And have fun lookin.

        January 15, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
  2. tallulah13

    Obvious troll is obvious.

    January 14, 2014 at 9:13 am |
  3. Jesus Christ Son of God

    So, why are we hiding food from the children? All women should not wear tops.

    January 14, 2014 at 9:13 am |
    • G to the T

      It's not against the law in Maine...

      January 14, 2014 at 9:32 am |
    • Prayer Leads To Obesity

      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise. Prayer makes you fat.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer messes up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer dulls your senses.
      Prayer makes you post really stupid stuff.
      Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Prayer wastes time.

      January 14, 2014 at 9:13 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Can you show that atheism denies any obvious facts?

      January 14, 2014 at 9:17 am |
    • igaftr

      ridiculous equal to what?

      Does your god really need you to lie for him?

      January 14, 2014 at 9:39 am |
      • Atheism is equally ridiculous and deserves public mockery

        It's false and ridiculous. Fact!

        January 14, 2014 at 10:07 am |
        • ME II

          You obviously don't understand the word "fact".

          January 14, 2014 at 10:09 am |
        • Billy

          If it was false, you be able to easily answer Tom's question above.

          January 14, 2014 at 10:10 am |
    • Troll Is A Brainwashed christian

      Sure is!

      January 14, 2014 at 9:51 am |
  4. Brother Maynard

    What happens to babies that die prior to be baptized ?

    January 14, 2014 at 8:58 am |
    • Ashes

      Cremation or burial, why?

      January 14, 2014 at 7:23 pm |
  5. Baby gets better feast than dad. He gets a shot of wine and a wafer.

    >>>>>>>>>> :(

    January 14, 2014 at 8:57 am |
  6. mungo

    Breast feeding??? It's just not natural.!!!

    January 14, 2014 at 4:50 am |
    • Steve

      Did someone really say breast feeding is not natural?!?!? It's one of the most natural things in life. Do people think that formula and bottles existed before the early 1900's? No! Women have been breast feeding since the dawn of man. Get real, yes women should cover it up but its the most natural thing a woman has with a child. People need to stop being so closed off and sensitive.

      January 14, 2014 at 6:07 am |
      • Reality # 2

        Mungo was no doubt being sarcastic !!!

        January 14, 2014 at 7:58 am |
  7. Keith

    What a guy, this pope is great, I love the possibilities he is opening the Church to.

    January 14, 2014 at 12:50 am |
    • Reality # 2

      Opening up indeed with the following disclosures:

      Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

      Added details available upon written request.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      January 14, 2014 at 8:00 am |
      • Ah

        even if there was a crucifixion, Pilate demanded all jews on crosses remain. Even after there are only bones left.

        More so, during the 'jesus' time, jews were rebelling. Many were arrested as a jesus might have been, a common thing at he time. And when you are down,, create a hero. people still do that today.

        January 14, 2014 at 8:21 am |
        • Reality # 2

          "even if there was a crucifixion, Pilate demanded all jews on crosses remain. Even after there are only bones left."

          Please give reliable references supporting your statement.

          January 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
      • Keith

        No matter how I feel about the things you wrote, I like this pope. He is doing things that will make life in the church better. He is also doing things that will make folks like you that seem so offended not feel like you are an outcast because of your beliefs. I do not belong to any religion. You are making many erroneous assumptions about the religions that you know very little about.

        January 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
        • Reality # 2

          Only for those interested in a religious update:

          1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

          “New Torah For Modern Minds

          Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

          Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

          The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
          prob•a•bly
          Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

          2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

          The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

          earlychristianwritings.com/

          For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

          Current RCC problems:

          Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

          2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

          Current problems:
          Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

          3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

          This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, the Filipino “koranics”and the Boston Marthon bombers.

          And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

          Current crises:

          The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

          4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

          The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

          Current problems:

          The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

          5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

          "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

          Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

          Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

          Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

          January 14, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • Keith

          Did you think that was going to make any difference to me?

          January 14, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
      • RC@Reality # 2

        How many times are you going to copy and paste that same post? Not sayin' your wrong, but come up with something new once in awhile.

        January 14, 2014 at 2:50 pm |
        • Reality # 2

          First, the comment was an answer for Keith's desire to know about religion. He unfortunately expressed no interest. Normally, I start with "only for the new members of this blog" when the comment is not posted as an answer.

          And of course there is this:

          o Reiteration is great for the learning process. As is reading and rational thinking followed by conclusions based on all of it.

          January 14, 2014 at 6:34 pm |
  8. brian

    Does anyone listen to a pope anymore?

    January 14, 2014 at 12:34 am |
    • No Evidence

      Still lots of brainwashed people in the world.

      January 14, 2014 at 8:12 am |
  9. Vstarguy

    I posted my comment...it disappeared...screw it!

    January 14, 2014 at 12:28 am |
    • Russell

      whimp.
      I try to post the exact same thing – or something more offensive – when I get deleted for expressing my opinions.

      January 14, 2014 at 10:09 am |
  10. MashaSobaka

    I've never, ever understood why people freak out over breastfeeding mothers. Breasts exist to feed babies. If you don't want to see them, don't look. It's really not that difficult.

    January 13, 2014 at 11:40 pm |
    • Vstarguy

      Lol! I agree! Exactly what the Hell are breasts for? We are one ass backwards society....I'd be stunned if the Pope said "No not allowed in church"....It's almost funny at how screwed up society is about breast feeding.

      January 14, 2014 at 12:26 am |
    • orangina

      Hm. I don't have a problem with mothers breastfeeding in places where people are meant to eat. Breastfeeding in a bathroom is actually kind of gross, IMO. I wouldn't have said yes to breastfeeding in a church mostly because the atmosphere is really not a food one. It feels rude to eat anything in a church, other than taking the Sacrament. Pools, though? Yuck. I was a lifeguard, and people who ate near the pool were the worst. They spill stuff, they let it get into the pool, they don't re-shower after eating, they want to eat a sandwich and then go swim hard and get themselves a cramp... blech. Parents, don't feed your kids in the pool, no matter the age!

      January 14, 2014 at 12:52 am |
      • Bubba Gump

        You're right. A crying infant should wait until after church to eat.

        January 14, 2014 at 1:55 am |
      • Brother Maynard

        Funny lifeguard story -
        I have a good one too.
        I was guarding the baby pool. About 1/2 way through my shift a mother stands up and literally YELLS across the pool, "Junior time for lunch!". Initially, I didn't think twice about it until this lady pulls down her suit and exposes her breast. The child who could walk unassisted ( which basically means 1.5 – 2 years old ) walks up and starts sucking. I was in shock. Luckily I really didn't have to "do" anything ... the other mothers at the baby pool self policed the situation.

        January 14, 2014 at 8:26 am |
      • Saraswati

        I won't swim in any pool that allows kids. Yuck. If you don't know what I'm talking about you haven't read the results of tests conducted at resorts across Europe. Just yuck.

        January 14, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
    • Sef

      Totally agree,

      January 14, 2014 at 5:58 am |
  11. Reality # 2

    And the easy solution? Convert all churches, mosques, temples and chapels into museums, parks or parking lots. Currently, such edifices are just wasting people's time and money. Added details available upon request.

    January 13, 2014 at 11:27 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      would help with taxes too.

      January 13, 2014 at 11:32 pm |
    • jbcal

      It seems to me that it's the peoples time and money and if that's the way they want to spend it, it's their business, not yours.

      January 14, 2014 at 12:25 am |
      • Reality # 2

        To help those who are wasting their time and money on religion:

        Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

        • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

        • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

        • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

        • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

        • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

        • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

        • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

        • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

        Added details available upon written request.

        A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

        e.g. Taoism

        "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

        Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

        January 14, 2014 at 7:56 am |
  12. Dyslexic doG

    I am sure the book character Mary breast fed the book character Jesus. If this is what the catholic religion is about, then it would seem silly to ban it. Way to go Mr. Pope.

    January 13, 2014 at 11:23 pm |
    • gsidwell82

      Congratulations...by me replying to this comment you just got the attention you were looking for when putting the effort to list Mary and Jesus as book characters

      January 14, 2014 at 12:15 am |
      • No Evidence

        Fictional book characters I might add.

        January 14, 2014 at 8:15 am |
  13. thenakedpolitico

    why would a woman want to brestfeed in public,it's a very private moment,not to be shared by all,my church used to have a private area for new mothers and babys,they could still hear what was going on but were not disturbing the rest of the church..this pope is getting alot of things wrong,hope he won't last long as the head of the roman catholic church...

    January 13, 2014 at 11:17 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      and you can put your clothes back on too Politico!

      January 13, 2014 at 11:24 pm |
    • Christine

      it's not a "private moment," nakedpolitico, it's called feeding your baby. society (and you) need to get over it.

      January 13, 2014 at 11:39 pm |
    • MOCaseA

      How is feeding a child a "private moment?" If you are bottle feeding the child, do you cover up the child when giving it a bottle as well? Do you sit behind a screen, or in a separate room in a restaraunt when you eat? Or is it simply that you are so programmed with the idea that a female breast, "designed" to feed an infant by the very diety you worship, is something to be embarased about. That feeding a hungry child from the best and most natural source is somehow bad anywhere but in private? That is not only ridiculous, but is NOWHERE to be found in the religious text you profess to follow. If you are too embarrased to feed your child in public, that is on you. Do NOT try to force every other woman to feel embarrased just to make yourself feel better about your embarassment though.

      January 14, 2014 at 12:23 am |
    • hurricaneangel

      Um, the pope in infallible, you dope. He is the mouthpiece of god on earth, he is incapable of getting anything wrong. Nitwit. What kind of Catholic are you anyway?

      January 14, 2014 at 12:23 am |
    • Bill Marvel

      a naked politico - with a name like THAT, you're fretting about mother's breast-feedng in church? Wow!!

      January 14, 2014 at 1:09 am |
    • same

      oh just let the baby suck on it to get some food. what is wrong with people for caring either way?! JESUS HELP THESE BRAINWASHED SCARED OF SKIN DUMMIES. what a bunch of strange mindsets.

      January 14, 2014 at 1:09 am |
  14. Monkies

    If this entire article doesn't support Darwinism I don't know what does.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:58 pm |
    • sly

      Yup. Dat kid gettin' the boob milk is gonna be strong. Kick those non-suckers butz. Mate with the strongest, cutest boob sucker chick, who got strong, and bingo, we've got a dominant offspring, who by the way, will kick the weak (non boob suckers) butz again, and guess, what, bingo ... add a few billion years, ok, million, and ... you guessed it ... bingo, we've got species, plants and animals, changing, reacting to several billion, ok, million years of actions. Wow .. we could almost say they evolved?

      Ok, let me put it to you more simply ... has anything ever happened to you? Did you .... 'react'? Next time it happened, oh .. forget it....

      January 13, 2014 at 11:26 pm |
    • Catherine

      I don't really see your point. If it is that the Catholic Church is somehow against the theories presented by Darrin, then you are way off base the Church does not take a creationist view. The Catholic Church views the old testament as a book that teaches us about our relationship with God not as a historical text. The Church has no problem with natural selection or evolution at all.

      January 17, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
      • Catherine

        *Darwin.... Stupid auto correct

        January 17, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
  15. sly

    The Pope is a powerful person, there are many people with religious opinions.

    He will be in the news, just like the President of the United States, who is significantly more important.

    Both are figureheads. There are a few more important people in this world, and those are the one's we should be questioning. But they are way too smart to be identified, even as they live right next to some of us.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:35 pm |
    • Do you ever wonder...

      Just once in a while why people feel they need a leader in the first place?

      January 13, 2014 at 11:00 pm |
      • SN

        Amazing how each person has a different view of the same topic, even though we all benefitted by the same actions of this Mother feeding her child.

        January 13, 2014 at 11:04 pm |
        • What?

          I'll bite how did we all benefit from this? Life hasn't changed all that much for me.

          January 13, 2014 at 11:08 pm |
        • it's me! it's me!

          tastes great, filling.

          January 13, 2014 at 11:12 pm |
      • sly

        Not until you mentioned it, but it is an interesting question, and to me, humans 'Gods' are just those leaders, but since humans cannot agree to support any single human leader, a hero from a book is much easier to fathom.

        Still ... your question is why do humans covet 'leaders'. Interesting.

        January 13, 2014 at 11:11 pm |
        • Fan2C

          People are sometimes sort of insulted by the fact that humans are social mammals. They seek a leader (of the pack, if you will), who has qualities of wisdom, benevolence, and the power to protect them from harm. They range from leader of the tribe, to leader of the nation, or some other group unit. Sometimes these human leaders were even considered to be gods.

          Since humans are aware that their lives will end, and they are not at all thrilled by this fact, they then seek an imaginary leader who will provide the same wisdom, benevolence and protection in a much hoped-for afterlife. It is not surprising that they envision this leader with human-like characteristics of love, anger, wisdom, benevolence, etc. Also, much of nature was a mystery to them and this fantasy filled the huge gaps in their knowledge.

          The supersti'tions dreamed up over the eons regarding what these gods liked, hated, rewarded, punished, etc. fill many books. The shamans, whether they believed the supersti'tions or not, found a great mechanism for power and control of the populace.

          January 13, 2014 at 11:16 pm |
        • sly

          Whoa. This is the Internet. You are posting something Intelligent? Wow ... and pretty good to. Like it. Whoa.

          January 13, 2014 at 11:29 pm |
        • sly

          "too", not "to"

          January 13, 2014 at 11:29 pm |
        • Fan2C

          Thanks, sly.

          Maybe I should have started it with, "It seems to me...", or something like that. I surely can't claim to have it all figured out!

          January 13, 2014 at 11:44 pm |
  16. Universe

    Quran says (Islamic Scripture)

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” [19:35]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know." [2:30]

    “They say , "We live only this life; we will not be resurrected. If you could only see them when they stand before their Lord! He would say, "Is this not the truth?" They would say, "Yes, by our Lord." He would say, "You have incurred the retribution by your disbelief." [6:30]

    “We have honored the children of Adam, and provided them with rides on land and in the sea. We provided for them good provisions, and we gave them greater advantages than many of our creatures.” Quran [17:70]

    “O children of Adam, when messengers come to you from among you, and recite My revelations to you, those who take heed and lead a righteous life, will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.” Quran [7:35]

    “O children of Adam, do not let the devil dupe you as he did when he caused the eviction of your parents from Paradise, and the removal of their garments to expose their bodies. He and his tribe see you, while you do not see them. We appoint the devils as companions of those who do not believe.” Quran [7:27]

    “Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting God, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load! [6:31]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:35 pm |
    • sly

      Seriously though, we have libraries to go to, free, if we want to read that much. This is the internet (Pal*m 32x5G8.1aGates) if we wanted to learn that much.

      Heck, to this non-godster, I couldn't even tell if it was Christian or Jewish or Wiccan or Muslim Buddhist, AirPortHari's.

      January 13, 2014 at 11:15 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      Why Islam? Why indeed since it is a religion based on terror and horror as noted in the koranic passages below:

      http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/005.asp et al

      o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
      o
      "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

      "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

      "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

      "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29-)

      "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

      "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

      "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

      "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

      "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

      "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)

      January 13, 2014 at 11:33 pm |
      • Reality # 2

        Again, just a few examples of the terror and horror that is Islam:

        As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

        The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

        ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

        and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

        and more recently

        1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

        1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

        2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

        3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. Iraqi civilians killed as of 05/10/2013/, 113,249-123,978 mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

        4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

        5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

        6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

        7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

        8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

        9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

        10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

        11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

        12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

        13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

        14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

        15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

        16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

        17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

        18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

        19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

        20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

        21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

        22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

        23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

        o 24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT
        o
        BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.
        The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

        25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT

        (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

        26 ) September 12, 2012
        U.S. AMBASSADOR KILLED
        Envoy to Libya dies in rocket blast

        27) Boston Marathon horror – April 2013, four dead, hundreds injured and maimed for life. A

        January 13, 2014 at 11:34 pm |
        • Keith

          A Christian and a Muslim argueing about who it worse !!! You guys are funny, you are both bad, you are both wrong

          January 14, 2014 at 12:40 am |
      • Reality # 2

        Christian? Give me a break !!! Once again:

        The Apostles' / Agnostics’ Creed 2013 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

        Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
        and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
        human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

        I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
        preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
        named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
        girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

        Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
        the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

        He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
        a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
        Jerusalem.

        Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
        many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
        ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
        Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
        grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
        and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
        called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

        Amen
        (References used are available upon request.)

        January 14, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
  17. Anthony Crispino

    In the article this Fisher broad talks about covering up if someone's breast feeding. What is she assuming your doin when you're watching a lady breast feed for crying out loud? Sounds like Ms Fisher needs to wash her mind out with soap. All you really need is a pair of sunglasses – jeez.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:31 pm |
  18. sly

    Terror Bombings. School Shootings. Chemical Weapons in Syria. Beserk Kung Fu Panda in North Korea (no, not Dennis).

    Breast Feeding in the Vatican.

    Next, on CNN.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:28 pm |
    • Keith

      life is a mystery isn't it?

      January 14, 2014 at 12:47 am |
  19. noillusion

    More marketing from the Catholic church. I wonder if the Pope knows they are using him.

    January 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm |
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