By Kevin Liptak, CNN
(CNN)– President Barack Obama plans to soon meet with Pope Francis for the first time.
Secretary of State John Kerry said the President was “looking forward” to visiting the popular new leader of the Roman Catholic Church at the Vatican.
Kerry did not say when the trip would take place.
The White House said it had no specific travel announcements to make, but that Obama “very much looks forward to meeting Pope Francis at some point in the near future.”
Kerry, a Roman Catholic, met with Vatican leaders on Tuesday to discuss foreign policy and economic issues, including Francis’ outspoken stance on income inequality worldwide.
I thought Rick Warren was the only national religious leader the President would recognize. What a wasted opportunity to lead the U.S. into the 21st century. Pandering to those who believe in ancient myths and dismiss, if not inhibit, scientific advancement.
Every President since Eisenhower has met with the Popes; some multiple times. This isn't anything new.
Are they going to smoke pot together? Will BO kiss the ring more than once? Will they watch gay por-no?
The pope meeting Obama is not a argument for atheism against Christianity. That's one blog up.
I agree; neither the two you mentioned are atheists.
Ref.: “Obama to pay visit to Pope”, Posted by CNN White House Producer Kevin Liptak
...“But Francis’ approach to world economic issues is widely seen as more in line with Obama’s own approach…”.
Jorge Bergoglio follows President Obama’s belief in the freedom of equal economic opportunity….for each to have the human right, the freedom to have the equal opportunity to financial gain. But this “opportunity” is controlled by those that also believe in the same freedom of their right... to be rich….which Obama and Bergoglio support and live by…..see the wealth (hidden) of the Roman church of general values.
Freedom of financial gain supports self interest….the desire to serve and magnify oneself (XES).
….for each justifies doing what is right in their own eyes.
Jesus Christ said that one must love his neighbor...that one must serve his neighbor….that one must be his “brother’s” keeper….
...as you can see this is the opposite of the desire for the “freedom” to serve oneself.
Soon, Christ, Son of the One Creator God, will return to rule in power the earth according to and in obedience to the will of the Only Creator and NOT according to man’s first love for his “freedom”.
...a bondman of the One Lord and King Jesus Christ
True freedom comes from God, not men. Charity comes naturally when you follow the example of Christ the servant of humanity. When Christ returns it will be to restore the universe to it's original state and those who worship money will have nothing in their pockets.
Oh how atheists are cowering over the new pope. They want to bring him and the church down but can't. I bet the new pope is dreading meeting Obama. I know I would.
And he is going to kiss his ring!! ;-)
I hope Mr. Obama comes out as an Atheist later in life. He has to say he's a Christian now, or he wouldn't be elected. He's far too smart to really be religious.
Actually in practice he is. An atheist is not only the one who say he/she/it is, but also those who live like there is no God. Idolaters for example are atheists in practice though they may deny with a mouthful that they are not. That is why instead of serving and worship God, they make for themselves and idol out of a piece of wood and worship it. In that atheists and idolaters share many commonalities. They are like 2 little men in a canoe rowing in different directions while the canoe is taking in dirty waters.
I thought Obama claimed to be a Christian? So why is he meeting with the pope?
Maybe to tell him the fig leaf is the biggest cover up/scam perpetuated on humanity ?
Reason #2: Christians are often arrogant, hateful, pompous toward one another based on the fractured nature of Christianity which goes back to its very roots.
Truth is divisive by its very nature. "I have not come to bring peace to this world, but a sword..." But lets be honest, we would much rather be divided by truth, than united by error.
Yes it is divisive when anyone tries to assign more meaning about "truth", especially in a meaningless, generic way. It is also the problem with any assumption that divine truth is real. Give me good evidence that any divine truth, moral or otherwise, comes directly from your god and I might start to pay attention. Give me evidence that is not tainted with subjectivity nor consensus.
Truth: God is.
Non-subjective Proof: Every physical ent.ity requires an agent outside of itself to account for it's existence. Nothing can be self created, and nothing can create itself. Therefore, the physical universe requires the existence of something supernatural as its first cause.
Sorry, that was supposed to be: "nothing can be self created, and no physical thing can be self existent."
"we would much rather be divided by truth, than united by error."
lol. oh Larry...
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." –Thomas Jefferson
In the news recently we have learned that Nigeria has passed laws that gays can be jailed now for various reasons. They have followed in the footsteps of mostly Christian Uganda who now has similar laws. I certainly hope that topic is on the list of things Mr. Obama and the Pope will discuss.
I've heard your conjecture before Larry. It's an interesting idea to contemplate, but we simply don't know enough even about this universe to make those particular claims. I don't consider a wildly unsupportable claim to be non-subjective evidence of anything.
LoA Adam and Eve and the fig leaf is a BAD JOKE on humanity – talk about the sword – that they might !
Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High
"Why"-I am pretty sure that "Christian disunity" is just an excuse. If Christians were unified you would immediately be baptized? I doubt it. Every week in millions of churches people gather, get along, are welcoming and help each other, but that is not the real issue is it? Your rejection of Christianity is just some type of intellectual game or rationalization for a lifestyle you just feel like leading.
Chris – " If Christians were unified you would immediately be baptized? I doubt it."
I was already Baptized. I would not go through it again. For more reasons than the splintered nature of Christianity.
Chris – "Every week in millions of churches people gather, get along, are welcoming and help each other, but that is not the real issue is it?"
Why bring the feel-good-together stuff into this? Are you trying to tell me something I haven't already experienced? Are you avoiding the question I asked Larry?
Chris – "Your rejection of Christianity is just some type of intellectual game or rationalization for a lifestyle you just feel like leading."
Good to know you're a mind-reader, Chris (eyeroll). OK, so obviously you also cannot answer the questions I posed to Larry.
Turn back to the cross my friend, we are sinners but we can choose not to sin anymore if we invite the Spirit of God, which is also the Spirit of Christ to dwell within us. Many Christians today try to live a life of goodness on their own merits but fail to realize no matter how good they may be, they are wretched to God, The Father of all. Please try to forgive those Christians that take the Father's name in vain by failing to be Christlike as well as forsaking their brothers and sisters according to the 6 commandments of the second tablet.
I can see why my #2 reason alone would warrant this response. However, further investigation, so far, has led me to disbelieve the claims made by those who follow the Abrahamic religions. That of course is reason #1.
Because world leaders meet with other world leaders now and then. It's that wacky diplomacy thing.
Because Revelation 13 says the two horned beast would speak as a dragon and cause the entire world to worship the first beast whose deadly wound was healed.
A Friend For You – you might want to go back to school .
from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Human biology is an academic field of biology which focuses on humans; it is closely related to medicine, primate biology, and a number of other fields.
A human being is a multicellular eukaryote consisting of an estimated 100 trillion cells.
It should be noted that there is no consensus on the actual number of cells in the human body; estimates vary widely.
As a species, humans are primates and can be distinguished from other primates by their more highly evolved brains.
Even though humans are multicellular animals, many of the basic life processes of human cells are basically the same as in simple unicellular eukaryotes such as yeast and even prokaryotes.
Science does work and so does the education provided by the True and Living GOD. My friend, Revelation is wrapped in symbology that has been revealed by the book of Daniel.
You as well as others completely miss the mark related to this article. Why accept the thinking of Egypt (who is God, I know not Jehovah?) But rather open your eyes to what has been written by Martin Luther, Cranmer, Melanchton, John Calvin, Charles Spurgeon and others?
While many of you REASON away its significance, bible prophecy is being fulfilled right before your very eyes.
Just as you used Wikipedia to show me the human biology, use it to reveal to you why Ronald Regean was the first president to have official relations with the Beast.
The US has had diplomatic relations with the Papal States and the Vatican since 1797.
A Friend For You – Or he shares this story with the pope. (talks about the brainwashing )
Why I Am Not a Catholic and Why I Am a Humanist
Because, No True Lawrence, Catholics ARE Christians, no matter what you and your divisive sect tells you.
And Obama has met the former Pope.
And Bush met with JPII 3x and Benedict 2x.
And as matter of fact, Every President has met a Pope at least once, going back to 1959.
And your post was a cheap shot at Obama, and you know it.
The papists teach that justification follows sanctification. That is opposite of what Jesus taught, and it makes salvation a result of human works.
So? What does this have to do with a President meeting a Pope?
Nothing. I said that to show that catholics are not christians according to the Biblical definition. You said that catholics ARE christians. How?
Catholics follow the teachings of Jesus as our Savior. Because you don't like the way they teach it doesn't make them any less Christian, and has zero to do with your disingenuous remark of "I thought Obama *claimed* to be Christian?"
You don't like Catholics. Got it.
of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
"the Christian Church"
a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
Want to tell me how Catholics don't qualify?
The no true Scotsman garbage is getting old.
You've every right to opinion, but having to defend my faith from other so-called "Christians" is as idiotic as having to defend them by antagonistic non-believers.
Have a nice life, Lawrence of Arabia.
Why would one world leader wnat to meet with another world leader?
You question is inane, but I think you worded it that way so that you could, in a round about way, say the pope isn't christian.
Long way to go for a No True Scotsman.
Obama is all about photo ops. The Pope is more popular than he is so why not get in on that!
the potus is going to get the pope to denounce the rich and income inequality its all part of the BO agenda to manipulate the low information voters who he thinks are all catholics.
Well, this is a steaming pile of BS. What was Bush doing when he met with the two Popes 5x? Hedging his bets?
Neil Armstrong made one great leap for mankind. Obama should make a second great leap for mankind by declaring all religions to be the cons they are. No trip therefore needed thereby saving the strapped US taxpayers some added money.
Oh, shut up. He's a Christian, you idiot.
Obama is a Christian? Give us break !! He mouths Christianity because Christianity is the one of the largest voting blocs in the USA. Another huge voting bloc he caters to? Ironically, the Immoral Majority. The Immoral Majority you ask?
The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012. Do the math using Guttmacher Insti-tute statistics. It is on-line.
2008 Presidential popular vote results:
69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.
2012 Presidential popular vote results
65,899,660 for pro-abortion/choice BO 60,929,152 for pro-life MR.
And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. ( they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)
Yes, Obama is a Christian. Give us a break from your wall of voodoo text.
Wall of voodoo? How so as the numbers speak for themselves.
Jeff, it's doutbful Obama actually believes in Christianity, much less organized religion. He's a Harvard Graduate (thank you affirmative action), and has access to some of the best education/academics in the USA...it's highly unlikely someone so educated would believe in an all powerful deity uses magic to casually defy the laws of the universe.
Obama does state he's christian or religious/spiritual but it's to have mass appeal to his biggest voters: black people. Ever notice why losers in jail and black/latino races are the largest groups obsessed with westernized Christianity? It ain't because their highly intelligent or educated!!
And, again, what does this have to do with him meeting the Pope, which every sitting President has done, some multiple times, since 1959? Why do people insist his motives are somehow more conspiracy-theory worthy than other Presidents who have done the same things?
Why should anyone doubt the veracity that he's a Christian any more than, say, Bush or Ford or LBJ?
You anecdote about prison inmates has nothing to do with Obama.
And Bush graduated from Harvard... I assume your objections to a Harvard grad applies to him, as well.
It's easy to call yourself a Christian but living as one is something altogether. Obama's actions reveal that he does not believe respect life nor religion especially the Christian religion. If he did, his policies would reflect that but instead he wants to force Christians to take actions that are contrary to their belief, forced by legislation or even worse, by executive order. He is a product of a culture that has turned their backs on God who had blessed this nation. He doesn't even respect the military enough to make sure they are not fighting in vain. Check out the Robert Gates book and you will hera the eyewitness truth about Obama's true character.
I hope he doesn't embarrass us like the Clintons did when they met JPII. "They didn't care about what I was saying. They were too busy looking at the art."
That art is pretty nice.
Why wouldn't they? Think of all those millions of voters? To disregard them would be to miss out on all their donations!
Who is God?
The "Great I AM"
13Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" 14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.…
1. That He is self-existent: He has His being of Himself.
2. That He is eternal and unchangeable, and always the same, yesterday, to-day, and for ever.
3. That He is incomprehensible; we cannot by searching find Him out: this name checks all bold and curious inquiries concerning God.
4. That He is faithful and true to all His promises, unchangeable in His word as well as in His nature.
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Hope that answers your question about who God is. You can read the Bible and the scriptures that have been quoted to find out about God.
Does God exist?
Neither does allah, thor, ra, or any of the other hundreds of gods people have worshipped through history.
Yes, God exists. Think about it. If God does not exist, then the universe is without meaning or purpose. If God does exist, then He created the universe for a purpose. But how can we know?
One way is by reading the Scriptures about His great works through His servants. One such servant was Moses. God revealed Himself to Moses as the "Great I am"..
Also in the person of Jesus Christ, God revealed Himself to mankind. That is proof that God exists.
There is only one way to get to God. Jesus died to free people from sin so that they could be with God forever.
Sorry, could not get to answer your question earlier. Hope you stopped by to read these post. Wishing you well in your journey in knowing more about God. Please consider reading the Bible.
Has there even been a black pope? Since when do secular organizations support religious ones?
What does the Pope in Rome have to do with a bi-racial president in the US?
Some other questions to consider:
Why don't snakes have vocal cords complex enough to speak as humans? Why do women listen to personified snakes? Why is Jesus considered mortal if he could resurrect himself all along? Why does an all powerful God demand worship? Why is getting people drunk at a wedding considered a miracle? Was Mary's hymen intact when she have birth to Jesus? Why aren't woman allowed a high status within the catholic church? Why do so many 21st century Americans believe a 6,000 year old middle-eastern sky god will grant them immortality upon their deaths?
Why do all these questions stem from an ancient unprovable book that's been dissected and rewritten so many times it no longer even resembles the original language or text it was written in?
Two Beasts Become Friends!
*1. **Has there even been a black pope?*
*Answer: Yes -> Founding of SJ in 9/27/1540 by Ignatius of Loyola*
*2. **Since when do secular organizations support religious ones?*
*Answer: Beginning in 1984 when POTUS R. Reagan appointed the first official US Ambassador to the Vatican.*
*3. **What does the Pope in Rome have to do with a bi-racial president in the US?*
*Answer: See Revelation 13: 11-15… First Beast = Little Horn that comes out of the Fourth Kingdom of Daniel 7… Second Beast =”Home of the free and the land of the brave” who started out as a lamb with its two horns representing Republicanism and Protestantism.*
*4. **Why don’t snakes have vocal cords complex enough to speak as humans?*
*Answer: Because the One True GOD gave dominion of all things to the first man, who named all things according to the One True GOD’s will.*
*5. **Why do women listen to personified snakes?*
*Answer: Because she strayed from her husband, who was her protector.*
*6. **Why is Jesus considered mortal if he could resurrect himself all along?*
*Answer: The One True GOD told the first man he would surely die if the fruit of the true of knowledge was eaten. The One True GOD promised a savior in Genesis 3:15 to redeem the race of men. Jesus did not resurrect himself, The one True GOD, the Father of all things resurrected is Only Begotten Son.*
Hell, I'D like to meet the Pope.
Does this pope make people kiss his ring?
You know...I'm unsure of that...but I'd still wouldn't pass up an invitation to meet him. That's what air kisses were invented for.
And kiss his ring more than once?
Sure why not!!
the bells will be ringing in vatican city for this meeting....DING talking to DONG
“A QUEEN” WHO MISCALCULATES HER CHANCES
5 What yet unseen event will take place next? Paul stated: “Whenever it is that they are saying: ‘Peace and security!’ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them.” The first phase of this “sudden destruction” is the attack against “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion, also known as “the harlot.” (Rev. 17:5, 6, 15) That attack against all forms of false religion, including Christendom, is the start of the “great tribulation.” (Matt. 24:21; 2 Thess. 2:8) For many, this event will come as a surprise. Why? Because up to that point, the harlot will confidently view herself as “a queen” who will “never see mourning.” But she will suddenly discover that she has miscalculated her chances of survival. She will be wiped out rather quickly, as if “in one day.”—Rev. 18:7, 8.
6 God’s Word identifies the harlot’s attacker as a “wild beast” with “ten horns.” A study of the book of Revelation shows that the wild beast refers to the United Nations (UN). “The ten horns” represent all present political powers that support this “scarlet-colored wild beast.” (Rev. 17:3, 5, 11, 12) How devastating will the attack be? The nations of the UN will plunder the harlot’s wealth, expose her real character, devour her, and “completely burn her.” Her destruction will be final.—Read Revelation 17:16.
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