By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor
(CNN) - For decades, the March for Life has followed a familiar formula: Bus in thousands of abortion opponents. Protest in front of the Supreme Court. Go home.
But this year, in addition to braving snow and bone-chilling wind, the March will move in a different direction, says Jeanne Monahan, president of the anti-abortion group.
Long-winded political speeches? See ya.
An exclusive focus on Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court case that lifted restrictions on abortion? Gone.
A hipster Catholic musician, evangelical leaders and March for Life app? Welcome to the protest.
And those changes just skim the surface.
The March for Life, billed as the world’s largest anti-abortion event, is remaking itself in deeper ways as well, says Monahan.
For its first 40 years, the march was marshaled by Nellie Gray, an occasionally irascible Catholic who had little use for modern technology, political compromise or the mainstream media.
Gray died in her home office in 2012 at age 88. A short time later, Monahan was named her successor at the March for Life.
While abortion opponents praise Gray’s legacy, there’s a popular saying around the March for Life’s Washington headquarters: “We’re a brand-new, 41-year-old organization.”
The goal: to turn their annual, one-day demonstration into a potent political machine.
Abortion rights advocates say they’re skeptical that March for Life leaders can convince more Americans to join their cause. Since 1989, the percentage who want to overturn Roe has barely budged above 30%.
“It’s an impressive show,” Jon O’Brien, president of Catholics for Choice, says of the March for Life. “But at the end of the day, they have failed dramatically at their goal.”
Still, even O’Brien expressed respect for his foes’ new plans. “It’s pretty clever, actually.”
With that in mind, here are six big ways the March for Life is changing this year:
1) 9 to 5
Since 1974, the March for Life has made a really loud noise every January 22, the anniversary of Roe. V. Wade.
Estimates of the crowd’s size vary, but it seems safe to say tens of thousands have attended the protest each year.
Organizers estimate that at least 50% of the marchers are under 18, as busloads of Catholic school kids descend on the capital from across the country.
But some abortion opponents complain the March for Life had morphed in recent years from a political demonstration to a photo op.
Ryan Bomberger, an anti-abortion activist who is speaking at march events, says the protest needs to find ways to harness its youthful energy throughout the year.
“You’ve got all these young people with energy and passion and the desire to do something about the injustice of abortion. But what do they do when they leave the march and go home?”
March for Life leaders want to turn its young protesters into citizen lobbyists, much like Tea Party partisans and the Obama campaign did with their troops.
The key to that, says March for Life's Chairman of the Board Patrick Kelly, is to keep them engaged throughout the year, including through social media. (More on that later.)
In addition to Monahan, an experienced Washington politico, the March for Life has beefed up its Washington office by hiring a full-time lobbyist and social media manager who will also lead outreach to evangelicals, a big and politically active constituency.
The focus this year will be combating the Obama administration’s contraception mandate, which requires most companies to provide free contraceptive coverage to employees. Abortion opponents say that some covered services are tantamount to abortion.
2) If You’ve Got the Money, We've Got the Time
For decades, the March for Life subsisted on a meager budget: Just $150,000 a year, according to tax filings from 2009-2011.
But new Washington offices, lobbyists and social media managers don’t come cheap. Fortunately for the March for Life, a donor who was a friend of Gray’s bequeathed $550,000 to the organization last year.
That, along with a more robust fund-raising campaign, has allowed the March to increase its budget from $252,000 when Monahan took over in 2012, to $780,000 this year.
“We are professionalizing the March for Life,” said Kelly.
3) With Arms Wide Open
Though various religious groups oppose abortion (many support abortion rights as well) the March for Life has come to be considered mainly a Catholic event.
Catholic clergy offer prayers, Catholic politicians make speeches and Catholic school kids fill out the rank-and-file.
Monahan says this year will different.
The March for Life has hired a full-time staffer devoted to bringing more Protestant evangelicals to the protest, and they hope to see that effort bear fruit this Wednesday.
They’ve tapped James Dobson, founder of the evangelical powerhouse ministry Focus on the Family, as a keynote speaker. Dobson and his adopted son, Ryan, will talk about adoption, an issue close to the heart of many evangelicals.
4) The Hardest Part
For the first time in its 41 years, the March for Life will focus on an issue besides abortion on Wednesday.
Through Dobson and other speakers, the march is also promoting the idea of “noble adoption” as an alternative to abortion.
“Adoption is a heroic decision for pregnant mothers who find themselves in a difficult situation,” says Monahan. “We want to eliminate the stigma of adoption and encourage women to pursue this noble option.”
The spotlight on adoption dovetails with new focus within the anti-abortion movement on crisis pregnancy centers, which urge women to carry their pregnancy to term.
Critics charge that the centers divulge false medical information about abortion and deceive unwitting patients into thinking they provide abortions, only to advise them otherwise. Supporters say they help women through financial assistance, counseling and adoption referrals.
5) Wish You Were Here
Despite the youth of many March for Life participants, the group’s website had been decidedly Web 1.0.
Under Monahan, that has changed dramatically.
The group posts Instagram pics of chilly protesters trudging through snow at past marches on Throwback Thursdays. They upload posts about prenatal development to Pinterest and tweet throughout the year, including this one about the difficult choices pregnant women sometimes face.
For the more technically advanced, the March has developed an app that connects to a 360-degree camera so folks can follow the protest from home. The app also has anti-abortion information, links to articles about adoption and tips for lobbying Congress.
“We have to find a way to take those boots on the ground and talk to them throughout the year,” says Kelly. “And with Facebook and Twitter and other social media we have the tools to do so.”
The March is also hoping for a high-profile social media endorsement on Wednesday: Monahan says she’s asked the Vatican to send a tweet from the Pope in support of the March for Life.
UPDATE: On Wednesday morning, Monahan got her papal tweet.
I join the March for Life in Washington with my prayers. May God help us respect all life, especially the most vulnerable
— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) January 22, 2014
I join the March for Life in Washington with my prayers. May God help us respect all life, especially the most vulnerable
— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) January 22, 2014
6) Yakety Yak
Imagine listening to politicians drone on for hours about their voting records in the chilly January air.
Monahan didn’t think so either, so she’s trying to accomplish a minor miracle: limiting the speaking time of politicians at the pre-march rally.
Only a handful of politicians, including House Majority Leader Eric Canton, R-Virginia, and Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Illinois, have been invited to speak. They’ve all been asked to keep their speeches to a just a few minutes.
“In past years our rally has gone on for two or three hours and people lost interest,” Monahan says.
So, instead of boring speeches, the rally this year will feature a live concert by Matt Maher, a Catholic singer-songwriter with a huge following among young Christians.
So, will all this make any difference?
Clearly, changes are afoot this year at the March for Life. But what effect, if any, will they have on the larger anti-abortion movement?
Not much, says Ziad Munson, a sociologist at Lehigh University and author of the book “The Making of Pro-life Activists.”
The March for Life hasn’t really been politically influential since the early 1990s, says Munson. Meanwhile, other abortion opponents, like Catholic bishops and National Right to Life Committee, have led the charge.
“In effect, what we’re seeing is a new organization within a movement, not a new approach,” he says. “I don’t think the March for Life is likely to make inroads that haven’t already been made.”
Monahan is more optimistic.
If the March can recruit even a slice of its youthful protesters into citizen activists, she says, it might be enough to tip the balance in a country deeply divided on the morality of abortion.
Let's get this PERFECTLY clear:
You have predicted a class f5 or f7 tornado will hit Raymond, NE in April or May, 2014. Yes or no?
If not, please make the corrections and TRY NOT to run away to avoid answering.
no i take it back. i don't have the authority to project into the future, i want to simply write my dreams down and i can speak to the ones that have been confirmed, but i should not say that i know that it will happen.
here is what happened and why i think it might. because i had a dream about tornadoes in missouri right before the joplin missouri tornadoe and this was the same dream but in lincoln ne.
"no i take it back. i don't have the authority to project into the future"
Totally FALSE. You claim you can do that ALL THE TIME.
Can't you be HONEST?
observer, i had done it twice, about chemical weapons, and a train attack,
and i was correct about both of those.
isnt it kind of too late now, we will wait and see. ok? sounds fun huh?
How many dreams do you have? How many are exactly accurate? How many are non-obvious – predicting a tornado in Tornado Alley is something I could do.
"isnt it kind of too late now, we will wait and see. ok?"
Nope. We aren't going to wait until something happens and then you say "Yep. I knew it".
If you are UNWILLING or UNABLE to clearly make your visions for the future known, then don't waste our time with WORTHLESS claims later.
You could make $1 million for your church and convince millions of people that God exists, but you are too AFRAID to try.
observer. a prophet could make such a claim. I am not a prophet. i should not risk becoming a "false prophet", when all i know is that i have a spiritual gift. I am not the one who does it. God is.
I have no clue other than I write my dreams down and then experience them when they come true. Its really amazing. I spend much time in the word of God because I know that He is the father of all things spiritual.
Austin: Submit your dreams for independent verification, if you have the g-o-n-a-d-s for it
listen to this. after my buddies funeral last week, i went to buy a few bibles for 2 people at the funeral. at the bookstore i saw this woman i had not seen in ten years i asked her "how is your twin sister" she said "she died of a drug overdose"
and just then my ex girl friends mom (hadnt seen her for 5 years walks in ) and says, "my twin sister died too".......
i get home and i had a dream from jail, from two years ago that there was a girl who overdosed, and that my ex girlfriends mom was in the dream. and this girl overdosed only 6 months ago.
there was another part to the dream, "two guys caught on tape"
and i called crime stoppers and told the cops and i personally think that this information led to the arrest of 2 guys for 1st degree se.xual assault on top of the wreckless ho.micide.
You're hallucinating or your a liar. Just man up and admit it.
Bearing false witness is forbidden in the 10 commandments, liar.
there were 2 men booked on 1st degree s.exual assualt in the mugshots, and one of them looked like the guy from my dream .
however, no response will be given to me i have no way to verify. aside from that, I had the dream 2 years ago that my ex was in a dream with something about a death overdose, and the dream CAME TRUE. This is ANOTHER VISION FROM JAIL
the dream was 18 months ahead of the crime, and 2 years ahead of the sovereign work to put the girls sister, my ex gfs mom and me in the same store.
TALLY THAT ONE UP IT HIT.
Austin: You clueless dolt, no-one believes you. We all see another Andrea Yates in your righting...you're crazy and need serious help. Now if you don't want this truth to be known then stop being a little coward and contact James Randi.
solon THIS IS NO LIE MAN.
i am speaking about the dream and then the book store experience. i don't have any proof that the men arrested were related to the woman who died, but I have a feeling they were. i think i gave them the information they lacked, and they questioned the men and they ratted each other out.
truth prevails, come to lincoln NE and you can meet me and i will show you my stuff. ill by half your plane ticket.
tp, i am way out of line to predict a tornadoe. and the James Randii thing is for personal gain, that's is forbidden.
research, "the error of Balaam"
Any excuse will do, Austin, any excuse will do. Well done.
"the James Randii thing is for personal gain, that's is forbidden. "
You could refuse the prize, or donate it. Just think of how many 'souls' could be 'saved' if your claims can be proved!
" i don't have any proof... but I have a feeling"
At least you can admit you are wrong; well done.
Feelings, emotion and intuition are not evidence, they are not proof. They are nothing.
I constantly say that Austin could win the million dollars for his church and all the GOOD it could do.
Austin insists on LYING that it would be for him to keep.
Austin: You're a liar and a coward. The fact is you are making it up as you go along and screaming foul when confronted...either put up or shut up!
again, i had this dream and i called the police over the matter, because i know that God is the only sovereign enti.ty that could have given me the dream. and there was an unsolved case, and i had information that would appear to be case related."2 men caught on tape" is what I wrote down. 2 years ago.
salvation "otoh" is the baptism of the holy Spirit. If you do not seek the holy spirit now, you will not change your mind later. I just gave you the most recent supernatural example and you don't believe me. that is a problem. you can't believe me and you could simply ask for the gift of faith and forgiveness.
and you would inherit eternal life too. thats a no brainer.
John 4:24, "God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
Austin: And again you are a liar! Your dreams are not evidence of the supernatural. You are delusional and need to seek help at the local asylum before those dreams turn you back in to the drunken fool we know you are and in turn cause you to harm someone!
tp, i don't know if the guys arrested were due to my tip. but one of them looked like the guy i saw in another dream were there was a tape of 2 men r.ping an unconsciouss woman, and she died in the process in my dream.
i think that God wants justice and is showing me what happened.
If you are too AFRAID to actually predict something in detail, don't waste our time making claims later.
You have no credibility. Twisting dreams to match a situation doesn't hack it.
As some people say, why not "put up or shut up"?
i had a dream about a woman who died of an overdose, and my ex girl friends mother. this was 2 years ago. i walked into the store and wam, this dream had come true. now i could not even remember the dream. it was not until i had another dream of a woman who died while being ra.ped, did i even go back and read other dreams. this is a supernatural experience. not one of you can prove that it is not. and i KNOW, that it is.
how do you even rationalize that i could be sitting here telling you this after everything else i have allready explained to you , and sit here and claim "delusional" AGAIN.
I feel sorry for you.
observer , what did i twist? do you have some questions?
We have no idea what you twisted. You REFUSE to go on record for the future.
If you want, I'll come back after the weekend and tell you about all of my visions for the weekend that came true.
truth prevails......you called me a liar.
what am i lying about?
observer..this dream was from 2 years ago. do you see that pattern? do i have to go to James Randii for 2 years?
i have to take off. c ya all later. i have accurately put the details of this latest one out. and i called crimestoppers in lincoln NE as well as 2 people who i think are informants or higher up.
Austin is a well known mental patient to police, dispatchers, detectives and hospital staff in Lincoln.
Austin: Put up or shut up
So glad to hear you are psychic...let us know the number to your psychic hot-line when it's up and running.
Oh, and learn how to spell "tornado." You look a bit silly not knowing.
Austin again 20% of people on this planet can have these types of dream regardless of their beliefs, it has nothing to do with religion. I have these types of dreams and don't believe in a god. This is about our brains and not religion, so stop trying to sell as part of your god because that is a lie.
The deranged christian god murders newborn babies. What a sicko.
2 Samuel 12:14 – Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
Don't forget the week-old babies, embryos, and fetuses in the whole flood fiasco.
tower of Babel, man is so depraved that God had to interveine.
You can be thankful that you have a savior and that you are loved and justified through the name and the blood of Christ.
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
take a step out of spiritual blindness/depravity
And your stupid god couldn't come up with a better fix than world-wide genocide?!?? What a disgusting and stupid terrorist azzhole you serve!
capt obvious, Paul had Christians killed. He was ignorant, and then he was called to the light.
you can seek the supernatural light and receive it.
Your god is pretty weak if it is threatened by a building.
Israel was a holy nation, if you read the old testament, stoning people was something where one would die, and the guilt of the whole congregation was placed upon the guilty person. an animal sacrifice was where the sin of the congregation was placed upon the head of the cow.
this was foreshadowing Jesus Christ. That is a prophetic truth.
Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Leviticus 4:29.
And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.
There has never been such a thing as "prophetic truth"; you are a parrot and a liar.
According to mythology, jesus told his listeners, the people in front of him he was speaking to, that he would return in their lifetime. FAIL.
no he didn't . mis interpretation.
According to the goofy bible, infants under one month old are not considered people. Sick, deranged, lunatic bible bangers don't know their own bible. Instead they claim to know what their imaginary god wants.
Numbers 3:15-16 – Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD.
According to the deranged, malevolent christian god, abortion is NOT murder.
Exodus 21:22-23 – If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life.
God is love. God told Adam, "the day you eat of the tree you will surely die"
and God spared his life. and then cain killed abel and started the caananites and there was war.
what do you think you can change about that?
God is a hateful hypocrite. He tells us to love our enemies, but he tortures his forever in a pit of never-ending fire. What a torturous azzhole. Pol Pot, Hitler, and bin Laden got nothing on him.
Come on Austin no Adam to speak of.
God is far from love. Your god impregnated a young lady against her will-better known in the real world as ra</bpe; your god had a Britney Spears moment when it decided to wipe out its entire creation because it screwed up; your god condones oppression of women and children; your god condones child abuse. Your god is not so loving and you are still crazy as ever for accepting it.
And Lot was a "just & righteous" man after getting his daughters pregnant and blaming alcohol and them.
What a flock of hypocrites. According to their fictional bible, their imaginary god was the first abortionist. Goofballs don't even read their own babble. They brainwash and condition the above mentioned children in their sick jesus camps. Disgusting.
the apostle Paul and gospels were written by people who had proof of God. many other people, including myself, also have proof of God. The Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word within a persons heart.
This is real, I can attest to that. I say this and this is true.
Correction, you and others claim to have "proof" of God. That does not mean that you do.
That is complete and utter bull and you know it.
You have no proof; only unsubstantiated claims. There has never been a shred of evidence that proves your sick, deranged, twisted, malevolent, fictional murderer god exists nor has there been any proof supporting the fictional bible. "the bible is true because the bible says so" is not proof.
Austin, you have no proof of that, the reason is because I can get the exact same feeling my accessing a particular part of my brain that releases a chemical to create that feeling. ALL people of ALL the thousands of religions that man has come up with can make the same claim, because it has nothing to do with your religion or your god, it has to do with our brains. Plus it's really hard to take you seriously when it's been shown that the bible is not an historical book because it's full of literary genre and folklore.
So lovely watching hateful bigoted people trying to enforce their religious beliefs on others. How many of these anti-abortionists are anti-welfare, anti-government, yet pro death penalty? Its a nice thought that they apparently care about life (when it fits their ideals), but could care less about that life once its born into the world. Thanks CNN for once again sharing what the far right in the world are doing. Maybe one day you'll care about the left and progressive side of the world enough to post stories about their protests (though it obviously wouldn't be part of the religion blog).
the secular government is an abomination in the eyes of God. this government teaches children to reject God.
That is satanic. secular is satanic. its all bad.
Zeus is the King of all gods; your god is a weakling.
According to the bible your sick, malevolent god is omnipotent; mere mortals could not possibly overpower an omnipotent god. You've spent too much time at jesus camp and not enough time in science class.
No-one is forcing you to live in a democratic nation Austin. If you want theocracy please feel free to do the good people of the country a favor and leave.
Give me a break. First of all, it is very clear that Roe v Wade has had a significant impact on the decrease in crime in the US. Non of these bleeding heart conservatives are willing to put step up and open orphanages to house all the unwanted babies that would come from a repeal of RvW. And I don't get where the shame comes from in adopting in this article. I know plenty of parents who have gone to extremes including adopting children from overseas to fulfill their dreams of a family. Unfortunately, it all comes back to the communities that are the biggest users of abortion as BC. Their communities are not willing to step up and clean up their problems. But at the end of the day, it is time for RTLers to keep their noses out of mine and everyone else's business.
While many may argue against me, religion is much like poverty. It has been reinforced through the generations to the point it gets into your blood. But if you take a child away from the influence of either, there is a new benchmark to begin with. Believe what you will and I won't argue with me so long as you don't try to shove your baseless, mystical views down my throat. Just because everyone has told you there is a god since the day you could remember a thing does not make it so. So don't try to shove your god-based beliefs about RTL down my throat. This country separated church from state for a reason, so that sanity and reason would reign supreme over blind faith and irrationality!!!
hell is poverty, and the effects of sin are poverty. and the secular lie is poverty. death is poverty. life is from God.
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
God never mentioned abortion, but he did give man a formula to create a drink to cause them.
was that the curse for some women or what was that reference? if God did not mention abortion that means it is not a Godly process. Correct? did God not cover His bases?
I garintee you that the fallen angels taught abortion.
God's Formula for Sterility and Abortion:
Numbers 5:26-27) “The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.”
no if she was innocent then that woud not cause the abortion so this is not an abortion drink.
"no if she was innocent then that woud not cause the abortion so this is not an abortion drink."
Lol. Are you SERIOUS at all? IF she was GUILTY this would cause an ABORTION.
right , however this potion was a supernatural potion causing death, and not abortion. you can compare it to the destroyer who saw the passover blood on the door. and He passed over those who were set apart.
supernatural Death does not =abortion.
hebrew women would put the live newborn in the dump. this is historical cultural truth. they didnt have abortions. they put the baby live into the dump and left it.
Austin, the fetus was just as dead, whether you like it or not; God killed a child innocent of its mother's supposed crimes. You excuse it because you excuse all things God does.
"right , however this potion was a supernatural potion causing death, and not abortion"
"When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will MISCARRY, and she will become a curse.”
What part of the word MISCARRY don't you understand?
Austin believes that might makes right. He believes that his god could never be wrong.....EVER...because of his t!tle.
well Liz, i wish it was that simple. I struggle to accept everything that God does, but I know that I should not arge with God's will. sometimes His answer to prayer is "no'.
No Christ follower can relate to the decisions that God makes . Our flesh does not agree with our spiritual intuition.
But the Holy Spirit reveals the fact of His presence and then you realize that this happened through the Word of God
John 1 (New International Version)
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Revelation 19:13 (New International Version)
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13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
ONce you seed the HS, you will know that the Word of God is true.
this was not the insti.tution of abortion. this potion can really be understood as a curse through judgment. Does a potion detect guilt or innocence?
of course not, the potion was activated by a sovereign God. there is a difference between a miscarriage and an abortion.
an abortion is deliberate invasive action, miscarriage is natural. it happens. abortion does not "happen" naturally.
Austin debunked !
Humanity's Most Common Male Ancestor Emerged Earlier Than Thought: 209,000 Years Ago, Study Finds
Jan. 22, 2014 — Our most common male ancestor emerged some 209,000 years ago - earlier than many scientists previously thought, according to new research from the University of Sheffield.
The pioneering study, conducted by Dr Eran Elhaik from the University of Sheffield and Dr Dan Graur from the University of Houston, also debunked the discovery of the Y chromosome that supposedly predated humanity.
Austin, who is man to interfere with free will?
You cannot legislate your religion into laws.
God will decide, not you. I have to assume that everything going on is according to His plan. Right?
You are a riot!
"an abortion is deliberate invasive action, miscarriage is natural."
The miscarriage wasn't "natural". It only happened because the woman took the potion COMMANDED by God. It was a "DELIBERATE INVASIVE ACTION".
What kind of stupid god needs a dust-infused magic potion to do assist him? You'd think he could carry out the "curse" without a recipe for abortion. Then again, you'd think an all-knowing god could come up with a better "fix" than to murder an entire planet's worth of humans, animals, and plants by drowning.
Austin's god is just fvcking stupid. Bottom line.
no way, if she was innocent then the potion would not have been invasive. this was a judgment, not an abortion.
No, dipsh!t, it was both. Your god like to fix problems by murder. It's what he did to David and Bathsheba. He kills and tortures. It's what he does.
Observer - From your post "her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.”
Not sure which translation you used but the translations closer to Hebrew(New American Standard) DOES NOT say Miscarry:
All translations I looked at show: "her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot"
This is open to interpretation – it could mean she becomes barren - unable to have any more kids(based on vs. 28(if the woman has not defiled her husband she will be able to have children)) I believe it means barren and does not mean the abortion of a baby. Besides NO WHERE in the previous verses does it mention she is with child.
First of all look at the context - if a woman has defiled and been unfaithful to her husband and the husband suspects his wife is impure - then he takes her to the priest with the grain offering and the priest will put the woman under oath - then under oath she takes the "bitter water" and if she has been faithful no harm is done but if she has been unfaithful then this curse of barreness will be upon her.
(Numbers 5:26-27) “The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.”
Source: New International Version, the largest selling Bible in 2013
The woman supposedly committed adultery and the potion will cause her to MISCARRY, which is abortion here.
In the beginning, there was Africa....home to man; then Buddha who taught about the realities of living in the world, not out of it in some supernatural fog of an alternate universe (heaven/hell). Heaven/hell is what you make of your life as you live, not as you die.
Satan was created by Christ. He fell out of heaven and started acting like God, creating false religion.
Adam, Noah, Abraham, these men followed God most High, not like Cain who killed his brother and was banished and cottled by the devil.
Cain went off to the parallel civilization called Nod, but the Bible forgot to explain. God created it, but didn't talk about it. Maybe it started with the guy named Steve that Christians talk about when they reference "Adam and Steve".
God did not create the cain civilization. Baal was the creator if any aside from Cain. Baal is the devil's loyal demon.
Where does the Bible say that Baal created Nod? We thought that God created EVERYTHING, but you claim not.
Please QUOTE that fact from the Bible. Or did you JUST MAKE IT UP?
Austin: You are delusional. Seek the help of a mental health professional
no problem buddy, Gal 2:17
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not!
God did not create the Atomic Bomb. sinners did.
They are both stupid and foolish; the instruction of idols is but wood!
Isaiah 44:9-10 Helpful?
All who fashion idols are nothing, and the things they delight in do not profit. Their witnesses neither see nor know, that they may be put to shame. Who fashions a god or casts an idol that is profitable for nothin
the list goes on and on that men "worship the creations of their own hands" and the fallen angels helped them. they civilized the fallen world.
Happy Birthday in April!
It's the 1st, is it not? Lol
Just like in "Liz the First"
Again, when ALL the children in foster care are adopted, then we can talk.
When men can get pregnant abortion would be as common as a cold.
If men could get pregnant , There would be drive thru abortion clinics on every corner of the city
Lol. I agree with both of you. Except for Ken and a few others I have seen here, the ones bitChing the loudest are the ones who will never have any skin in the game.
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hey the people getting pregnant are the focus of the shame, not the baby or orphanage.
hey doctors, you should hire men to knock em up too!
I still like pepperoni pizza.
no you do not .
yes i do 2
Or we could dehumanize and kill them too. It's easier.
If only we could see this issue with the eyes of the child in the womb. I know, they are only called 'children' by mothers who want them, otherwise we choose to call them 'clumps of cells'.
So, around 28 weeks we should try to see thru the eyes of the fetus since that is when their eyes would be considered viable.
I asked this questoin below, but apparently no one saw it:
Do some of you really believe that you all knowing and all powerful god had no choise but to get a virgin pregnant and torture the child to death? The bible says that is the ONLY way god would be able to forgive us all for a sin we did not commit.
I use the bible for a door stop. So don't expect an answer from me.
I don't expect a straight answer from anyone.
I just hope people understand that if they don't accept the 'truth' in their own religion, I will reject any argument based on their faith.
If they accepted the "truth" they wouldn't be religious.
Alias, its a good question.
why the sacrifice? it goes back to Adam. God told adam, if you eat of the tree you will die. and that is what happened spiritually and physically, but instead of God putting creation out of it's misery (mankind), God made them tunics of skin to clothe their new found shame.
that was a substi.tutionary death. and then to remind Adam of the sin, He started the animal sacrifice, to basically make them emotionally burdened at their own sin.
Remember, God, is Christ. Christ is the love form of God.
I knew I wouldn't get an answer to the question.
I asked if he had to – you asked WHY and then answered your question instead of mine..
The Bible does not actually that Christ's virgin birth and death on the cross was the only way sin could be forgiven, but it does say that is in fact He chose to provide salvation. The Bible also says that the "cross of Christ" (ie, His way vs wordly wisdom's way) is folly to those who are perishing in their sinful blindness. It is clear He does this in direct and conscious opposition to what self-righteous human beings who reject His truth would say makes sense.
My sincere advice to you is to rethink your opposition to God and His truth.
So nice that it's just that convenient.
If you really think that aborting a fetus in the first trimester destroys a life, then think about a woman giving birth to a child she did not want and cannot support. That can destroy 2 lives.
Unless, of course the woman already had other children. Then it could destroy more.
here is why that is garbage. John the baptist ate locusts and was clothed in camel hair. being poor is not a curse. life is not a curse. struggling is not a curse.
poor people will be rich in the kingdom. poverty is not any reason put a child out. why did she allow herself to get pregnant? you are saying, "oops i had to get laid now lets kill it" this is trecherous.
"John the baptist ate locusts and was clothed in camel hair. being poor is not a curse. life is not a curse. struggling is not a curse."
Tell that to the repubs!
i really cant stand the government period . I make no distinction in a secular satanic system that teaches children to reject God.
to hell with every bit of em.
Yeah, you seem like the type to think eternal torture is a good idea. You and your disgusting god deserve each other.
Spoken like someone who has never known poverty. I grew up poor. We were hungry a good bit of the time, scrambling to put together meals. I wore clothes so worn and patched and repatched I am surprised I did not get the nickname 'Patch'. We foraged thru dumpsters for anything useful. Being THE poor kid in my school I was bullied constantly. It was HELL and it did not lead to a happy adulthood–lots of depression, several suicide attempts and sketchy lives have resulted for my brothers and I. My mother should only have had the kids she wanted and could afford. There is no 'miracle' or 'blessing' to life, especially if it is unwanted or ill prepared for. Wake the heck up! Your ilk trying to saddle thousands with hordes of children is just going to drive up the misery. Of course that is what you want to do to 'those people', don't you?
You must keep any baby you create, life is precious! Oh sorry, you cant afford health care, food, clothes, schooling for your child that is your problem. Does that about sum up the logic of these drama queens?
no the logic is the truth of God. but that doesn't start with abortion, that starts with you seeking the authority of the Holy Spirit through the forgiveness of sins.
Life is not secular like the US has set up its government.
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Life is a gift from Christ, co creator, and you are not a secular life. you simply need to open up to truth if you have not all ready.
" the logic is the truth of God."
You see there's your problem. You got it all wrong in the very first sentence alone.
Your god is not logical
Your god is not true
So stop using your imaginary friend in the sky as an excuse to tell other people what they can and can't do.
You know what? I am sick and tired of people like you who prance about the Internet acting like they are the expert on all things Christian, when they exhibit their ignorance very blatantly the moment they begin typing. If you wanted to know the truth, you'd look for it and find it, but instead you go to great lengths to practice sophistry in order to justify your own wrongdoings.
Maybe. What's wrong with expecting people to take responsibility for the children they create?
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This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
I thought truth wasn't found in religion? Why are you quoting the bible?
People with their eyes open know that this will not always happen.
I'm not into playing a blame game while the unwanted children suffer.
Exactly! I know a 25 year old who has lived his life feeling unloved by his Mother because loving him meant loving her father and years of abuse.
These people don't look outside the box at the reality of the situation and they tend to forget that where there's a will there's a way.
Yeppers...they don't give a rats hiney about the child after it's born.
thats not right either. two wrongs......
Well austin maybe if you showed some balls and show women how you would HELP them with their child maybe they wouldn't consider abortion.
But yet Austin, that is exactly what you risk when you deny a woman the right to abort. It doesn't matter in the end, you can scream your little irrational rants til the cows come home, the law is what it is and that won't change. You need to find something else to focus your obviously boring life on and realize that until you are able to put the shoe on the foot (ie; get pregnant), your opinion matters little.
So the answer is to kill the child because you can't provide for it? Let's see, maybe that should have been considered before you did "the deed"? Is that too much accountability for a consenting adult? If your motives aren't self-serving ( sacrificing a child to the god of convenience) and I have a hard time questioning that they aren't for most people who support abortion. Let's consider that the real divide is the moment that "life" begins. A philosophical question that, secularly speaking, will probably never have a hard-line defined answer that gives people a warm fuzzy. This was a topic in ancient Rome, and we still don't have it figured out. Supporting abortion is errring on the side of risk, because you don't know that life doesn't begin at conception. You just believe it doesn't. Again, speaking purely secularly, I would rather err on the side of caution and not destroy the embryo....just in case. Add some theological arguments to it, which cannot even begin to be scratched in this forum, and you have a pretty heavy argument against abortion. If you don't want a kid or the responsibility of a pregnancy, then be a little more careful about what you do and/or who you do it with. Not a popular concept, I know, but "popular" and "logically sound" aren't always synonomous.
I want to applaud you for being one of the few sane people around here. Most of us take one look at this cesspool and leave. I'd like to think there are more of us out there, they just aren't saying anything...
OK let me get this straight.. this groups wants to end abortions but they also want to fight expanded access to birth control!..Brilliant! hmmm.. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that more birth control = less abortions Just the kind of crazy that evangelical republicans can get behind!
Common sense. Unfortunately the religious whackjobs have agendas.
No, birth control is not a "solution" to abortion. What happened in the 60s? Birth control became widespread, promiscuity became rampant, and after that, abortion was legalized. Think seriously about it, I know it's hard, but think. More birth control = more people having se>< for the wrong reasons = more 'failures' = more abortions. Abortion and birth control go hand in hand; one is a more extreme version of the other.
Motives are extremely important in this debate.
Really listen to the things people say, the arguments they use on either side. It says so much about who they are, what kind of people they are. Even if people aren’t honest with themselves, their motives speak volumes about what or who they are.
Her point is that some people are using this issue to promote another agenda.
I mean give a specific point. In essence we all have agendas.
what agenda does pro life serve other than casting shame on something that is shameful and in most cases preventable?
a moral agenda? that is a Godly thing.
Where's the shame? To each his/her own. Your opinion doesn't matter. Where's the shame in the repubs cutting SNAP? I haven't read a commnet from you on that.
"a moral agenda? that is a Godly thing"
Yep. NOT one time does the word "abortion" appear in the Bible but support for slavery does. So much for "Godly morals".
observer, you go do the history and you will have to realize that Israel was a slave, and so was Christ. He was a slave to the cross.
the other issue about abortion being in the bible is settled. God has forbidden fornication, and thus would not approve of abortion either. it's obvious. abortion unless for a medical emergency is an abomination. so is a secular education.
"you go do the history and you will have to realize that Israel was a slave"
NOPE. People were slaves. They are the same PEOPLE that God said you could beat without punishment and treat as property.
"the other issue about abortion being in the bible is settled. God has forbidden fornication, and thus would not approve of abortion either"
Another FAILURE. Try again. Who said that married couples wouldn't want abortions when contraceptives fail?
8 assassinated in the US .
Abortion doctors: A matter of life and death
they deserve it
How "Christian" of you!
Typical "pro-life" hypocrite.
Wow good I have seen some way off the wall comments but yours is actually off the charts.
"A hipster Catholic musician"
All credibility goes out the window right there.
Six things? Actually the only number that counts is 57,000,000+. That's the number of abortions performed since Roe v. Wade, most of them voluntary.
Putting it in perspective.
That is heart wrenching.
Vic you may find it hard to believe, pro choicers don't celebrate abortions. As I told austin. If you want to stop abortions, tell the repubs and religious organizations to stop attacking the ACA, make birth control easier to get and teach s3x ed in school. You won't eliminate abortions but you can cut them down.
"Poor nutrition causes nearly half (45%) of deaths in children under five – 3.1 million children each year."
An unplanned pregnancy was I and a Respect for Human Lifer in all its forms am I now. Thanks Mom and Dad !!!
Were your parents married at the time?
"Most women getting abortions (83%) are unmarried; 67% have never married, and 16% are separated, divorced, or widowed.4 Married women are significantly less likely than unmarried women to resolve unintended pregnancies through abortion."
Marriage thereby is another way of reducing the current epidemic of abortions and STDs. And yes my parents were married. They were good but brainwashed Catholics and I was like many Catholic kids at that time, a "rhythm" baby.
If they had planned you maybe you would have turned out better.
thats awesome !
John The Baptist had a camel hair outfit and he ate locusts, and he is a rich man in the kingdom.
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1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them, saying: 3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
I think religion should be left out of this discussion. Believe what you want, fine, I'm glad you are pro life but if your argument is a religious one then you can not support it with any verifiable facts and that isn't helping.
This is not a religious issue, it is a human rights issue.
On one hand government does not have the right to tell women how to handle their bodies, on the other hand no one should have the right to tell someone they can not be born.
If we can set religion aside for a moment maybe we can all work together to get a solution.
Decide when life begins. Murder is already a crime.
Roe pretty much decided when the fetus is viable outside the mother's body.
eight inches for the transformation of a non human to a human?
your life is not secular. any life that adds to the kingdom of God, the book of life, is honoring to God. you can assume incorrectly and you do have that freedom. (rejecting salvation)
the fact is all men are totally depraved and spritaully dead and blind until you accept the forgiveness of sins and the baptism of the holy spirit.
until then you serve death that leads to death. That is why you proclaim the right to kill. you do not have any such right before God.
Someone's life can certainly be secular, if that's how they choose to live it. Religion is personal, to follow one, or none, is a choice.
no being wrong is not any type of validating reality. You are outside of the will of God. you are only deceived and spiritually dead. The word "secular" is a demonic tactic.
If Jesus Christ is resurrected, then I am correct right?
When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:
this says that He will prove the world. that means everyone.
You keep waiting.
ken I am following you and not waiting. The Holy Spirit (not me) is seeking your attention.
Ask for the Holy Spirit.
After a few drinks, Yes I see the holy spirit!
You are outside of the will of God
How would you know? Maybe you're outside God's will. Since we don't know what that is, how would anyone know who's in and who's out? Right, we wouldn't. We'd only have opinions, as we see here every day.
the truth about the resurrection and the Holy Spirit is not considered religion. saying that that truth is "religion" is deception. Religion pertains to mans inventions, not God's truth.
to say it is truth is the same as lying since you can't prove it.
You can truthfully say that it is what you believe to be the truth, not that it is truth.
not God's truth
And, where is this found? How do we know what it is?
technically the resurrection is proof. but people dislike the idea of a holy God judging them because that calls them to repentance. as John said, "repent the kingdom is of heaven is at hand" and "bear fruit worthy of repentance",
and he also explained that we are baptized with fire (judgment)
but you can have personal proof through the gift of faith from the Holy Spirit.
This is a supernatural gift.
Well, you said above that "religion pertains to mans inventions", which is true. But, you don't have the resurrection of Christ, you don't have John, and you don't have the Holy Spirit without christianity. Christianity is religion. So do we need religion, or not, to "know" God's "truth"? I contend it can't be known anyway, but just for the sake of discussion. Be consistent, if you say religion is deception, you'll have to stop quoting the bible. Can you do this?
Your god does not exist.
I therefore see no reason to worship it or follow the error filled bible.
Of course, this is still a free country, so you go ahead and do whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
well there are many things that do not feel good, such as having the testimony of the Holy Spirit and watching other people reject justification because of ignorance.
◄ John 3:17 ►
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For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Romans 5:8 ►
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
"yet sinners" means that you while you are yet sinful in atti.tude and will can still seek forgiveness. You are not excluded and He loves you.
Do you really believe that you all knowing and all powerful god had no choise but to get a virgin pregnant and torture the child to death? The bible says that is the ONLY way he would be able to forgive us all for a sin we did not commit.
yes i believe that He told Adam, "the day you eat of the tree you shall surely die, and that blood sacrifice was a sign that sin is death and atrocious to God, who is HOly.
and yes, as the creation fell, He did not get her pregnant through a s.ex act, He became a man through her womb as an expression of love and forgiveness. I would expect God to help your sinful, your blaringly obvious sinful condition through some means of forgiveness, and the expression of the Christ is what God chose and it makes sense.
furthermore, I am not in to religion, I have experienced salvation through forgiveness and the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word on a persons heart. in other words, I am here because God has done something within me. I say this in truth because i have experienced it.
That tree Austin is the log in your ______ !
"I am here because God has done something within me. I say this in truth because i have experienced it."
No, all you've experienced is a chemical reaction in your brain that we can all feel regardles if we believe in a god or not. We all have the power within ourselves to change who we are, some people like you have this great need to feel special even though you are not because you don't have the self confidence to love yourself for who you have become. There is no god needed in any of it, it's all in your head and imagnation. There is absolutely nothing special about you Austin and your can't handle that reality.
Please do us all a favor and move to Iran. The USA will never be a theocracy.
We did that already.
Look up Roe vs Wade.
It protrects a woman's rights toher own body and applies restrictions to protect the fetus/baby.
It also allow for exceptions in the case of medical considerations.
Some people are just too close minded to reason with.
If you want to set religion aside. Tell people to STOP SUPPORTING THE CHURCH. Don't give money, don't volunteer and make them pay taxes.
The men against abortion are your basic cavemen. Anyone that wants to take control of your body away from you, don't think very much of you as a person or individual. Kind of Rick Santorum-ish.
The women against abortion are the ones that believe "you should let men decide" and "women should know their place" type of women. In other words. Old, alone and out of batteries.
Ken you get a pass for your opinions I cant deal with that. But where that can all change is if you experience salvation, if you seek salvation, you will receive supernatural light.
9The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Austin for all the salvation you've received, all it has gotten you is blogging with non believers like me. I'm not going to change just like you're not going to change. You want to stop abortion? Tell repubs and religious organizations to stop attacking the ACA and make birth control easier. People have s3x, get over it.
What you read in the bible is 99% myth. If Jesus was a single historical figure, he was a man – no resurrection or second coming. So keep your religion to yourself and out of public policy.
no , no sector of life is secular. Not in China , not in india. Jesus Christ is resurrected and the savior of "all " the world.
your secular politics are exactly as disclosed in the book of REV the "who.re that rides the beast"
The Bible is prophetically genius and accurate.
Also, I have personal proof of the resurrection through my spiritual gift of prophecy. No one, can discredit me.
You have no personal proof; how does one distinguish that from delusion or worse?
"Also, I have personal proof of the resurrection through my spiritual gift of prophecy. No one, can discredit me."
Good. So let's get this PERFECTLY clear:
I meant objective proof. Must have thinking of your words.
That's a nice narrative you have there, but how does it fit me, a 17 year old female, and thousands of other young women who are against abortion because they are for human rights? You can't argue against the truth so you make things up. Interesting.
"thousands of other young women who are against abortion because they are for human rights?"
Fascinating. So you believe that laws should eliminate any input you have concerning abortion? Seriously?
I agree religion should be left out but I disagree that we can find a solution because we all want something different and conflicting. The majority "want" will prevail, right, wrong, or indifferent.
It is primarily a religious belief that drives this "pro-life" movement. Rules designed to produce more believers in a time when there were not 7 billion people already. It would carry more weight if they were consistent across all causes of death.
I note Pope Francis offers his prayers for this group. That's great considering that Catholic theology claims that God is unchanging and has set his plan in motion (not subject to change) which, in effect, makes the Pope's prayers not only useless in support of this group but insulting to his own theology.
No, in Catholic theology God knows what we will pray for before we even do it and plans accordingly. Note, this does not negate free will. Just because I know the sun will rise tomorrow doesn't make my knowledge the cause of it.
The Republicans have their women. They are not making war on their mothers wives and daughters. Only on yours, I would guess. And maybe their strays.
Got it in one.
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