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Ken Ham: Why I'm debating Bill Nye about creationism
Bill Nye and Ken Ham will debate the origins of life Tuesday at the Creation Museum.
February 3rd, 2014
01:15 PM ET

Ken Ham: Why I'm debating Bill Nye about creationism

Editors note: Ken Ham will debate Bill Nye on February 4 at the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, with CNN's Tom Foreman moderating. The debate will be livestreamed at CNN.com at 7 pm ET, and Piers Morgan Live will interview Ham and Nye on Tuesday at 9 ET.

WATCH TUESDAY NIGHT'S DEBATE HERE: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvplive/cvpstream1.html

Opinion by Ken Ham, special to CNN

(CNN) - Public debates on evolution and creation have become increasingly rare. Several hundred well-attended debates were held in the 1970s and 1980s, but they have largely dried up in recent decades.

So I look forward to a spirited yet cordial debate on Tuesday with Bill Nye, the "Science Guy" of television fame.

I also look forward to the opportunity to help counter the general censorship against creationists' view of origins. While we are not in favor of mandating that creation be taught in public school science classes, we believe that, at the very least, instructors should have the academic freedom to bring up the problems with evolution.

Even though the two of us are not Ph.D. scientists, Mr. Nye and I clearly love science.

As a former science instructor, I have appreciated the useful television programs that he hosted and produced, especially when he practiced operational science in front of his audience.

He and I both recognize the wonderful benefits that observational, operational science has brought us, from cell phones to space shuttles. But operational science, which builds today’s technology, is not the same as presenting beliefs about the past, which cannot be tested in the laboratory.

For students, the evolution-creation discussion can be a useful exercise, for it can help develop their critical thinking skills.

MORE ON CNN: Bill Nye: Why I'm Debating Ken Ham 

Most students are presented only with the evolutionary belief system in their schools, and they are censored from hearing challenges to it. Let our young people understand science correctly and hear both sides of the origins issue and then evaluate them.

Our public schools arbitrarily define science as explaining the world by natural processes alone. In essence, a religion of naturalism is being imposed on millions of students. They need to be taught the real nature of science, including its limitations.

Nye, the host of a popular TV program for children, should welcome a scrutiny of evolution in the classrooms.

As evolution-creation issues continue to be in the news - whether it relates to textbook controversies or our debate - there is an increasingly bright spotlight on the research activities of thousands of scientists and engineers worldwide who have earned doctorates and are creationists.

On our full-time staff at Answers in Genesis, we have Ph.D.s in astronomy, geology, biology, molecular genetics, the history of science, and medicine. Yes, creationists are still a small minority in the scientific community, but they hold impressive credentials and have made valuable contributions in science and engineering.

I remember the time I spoke at a lunchtime Bible study at the Goddard Space Flight Center near Washington. I was thrilled to meet several scientists and engineers who accept the book of Genesis as historical and reject Darwinian evolution. They shared with me that a belief in evolution had nothing to do with their work on the Hubble Space Telescope. Why should our perspective about origins be censored?

Our young people and adults should be aware that considerable dissent exists in the scientific world regarding the validity of molecules-to-man evolution.

It’s an important debate, for what you think about your origins will largely form your worldview. If you believe in a universe that was created by accident, then there is ultimately no meaning and purpose in life, and you can establish any belief system you want with no regard to an absolute authority.

Ultimately, I have decided to accept an authority our infallible creator and his word, the Bible over the words of fallible humans.

Ken Ham is founder and CEO of Answers in Genesis (USA) and founder of the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky. The views expressed in this column belong to Ham.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Creationism • Culture wars • Evolution • Opinion • Science

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  1. Geo Bruno

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
    Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    What is it men cannot be made to believe!
    Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal

    February 5, 2014 at 12:27 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Maybe that was before creationists were trying to push their beliefs into science classes, their religious texts on public buildings, their prayers at public meetings, their beliefs into law, etc.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:35 pm |
  2. bubba

    Creationists are not censored any more than are believers in astrology, alchemy, numerology, and phrenology. It's not science. It's religion. Simple.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
  3. Byron

    I despise these debates. It is so pointless and always ends up the same. You cannot "debate" religion/creationism. The whole idea of creationism comes from a place of "belief", which is possible through "faith". This is not a jab at religion or people's beliefs, but there is nothing logical or rational about faith. There is no evidence that can support someone's "faith"; that would defeat the point of faith now wouldn't it.

    Besides, a debate requires an open mind on both sides; two or more people who are willing to possibly concede to the other person's point(s), or to at least address the points in a logical and rational way. This is never the case when engaging in a debate with someone on their religious beliefs. I have been to a "Does God exist?" debate where the religious of the two pointed to the Bible and said, "this is all the evidence/proof I need"... There was no dialogue or debate; it was just a closed minded religious guy proclaiming his faith. Despite the other guy making thoughtful points, they were never addressed by the religious debater in any sort of logical or rational way. I have seen this happen a number of other times as well and they always end up the same.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
    • JK

      So are political debates are any different?

      February 5, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
  4. cheezel

    "For students, the evolution-creation discussion can be a useful exercise, for it can help develop their critical thinking skills."

    Incorrect. It dilutes fact with farcical delusion. "God" has no place in legitimate scientific examination.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm |
  5. AmericanPatriot

    Creationists need to be corrected and then censored.

    February 5, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
    • Thomas Jefferson

      Whenever... preachers, instead of a lesson in religion, put [their congregation] off with a discourse on the Copernican system, on chemical affinities, on the construction of government, or the characters or conduct of those administering it, it is a breach of contract, depriving their audience of the kind of service for which they are salaried, and giving them, instead of it, what they did not want, or, if wanted, would rather seek from better sources in that particular art of science.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
    • JK

      Because? Truth has no reason to fear scrutiny.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
    • Les Mangus

      Censorship is always a bad idea. It is better to let all ideas be exppressed.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
  6. Almighty3201

    I think it's awesome Ken Ham made this "man" look like a fool!!! HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA ! Evolution is a joke people!!!! If you even remotely consider all the stochastic processes reuiqred to position us "perfectly" in a nearly infinite universe and produce the miracle of life by chance... luck..... Talk about a fairy tale! It's simple my beautiful and mighty God did it! And being the creator of everything in the universe he can do it however he chooses! He doesn't have to play by anyones rules or stipulations or proof! Long ago and far away..... wait is this Star Wars or just another pool of idiots in primordial soup waiting to evolve into the perfect piece of organic mud! LOL - get real!

    February 5, 2014 at 12:13 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      There is no evidence for creationism. All the evidence is explained by cosmology, geology, evolution, etc. Believing in your fairy tales is delusional.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      A vast universe with trillions of stars, waits billions of years to pick an obscure tribe near Jerusalem as its chosen people – only to change its mind and go with christianity. That makes sense.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:20 pm |
      • compms

        oh no, you should study the Bible much more in-depthly, you've missed it bro! Don't be like the rest and just learn enough to sound like you know what you're talking about. Read it and read it again and you'll find the depths of knowledge are vast and not to be taken at surface level. Nor are any scientific truths, you must gather many many facts and put them all together to come up with truths. God didn't swap people. His plan from the beginning was to send a Savior through the first woman, Eve (Genesis 3:15). The rest of the Bible follows her lineage as God keeps showing who the Savior is coming through. The Savior/Messiah/Christ would bless all peoples of the earth. Through Abraham, through Isaac, then He said it's coming through Jacob, later called Israel. Israel was chosen to bear God's holy name. A name being a description of who God was. The whole Bible, more thoroughly explained in the New Testament, declares how God chooses all people to be saved. The Old Testament is full of references (which the New Testament highlights) that show God was for ALL people to be saved. Israel was the family God chose to bear His name, therefore God gave them laws how to be priests, how to offer sacrifices, what was right, and what was wrong, so that the rest of us non-Israelites could study them and learn who God is. To know His name. Through their society we know more of what Jesus meant when He called Himself our great High Priest (He stands before God to atone for our sins).

        February 5, 2014 at 12:31 pm |
        • Almighty3201

          Thanks for the tip my friend, but I do understand the "meat" But you dont give meat to the lost, you dont cast your pearls to swine! I know some deep doctrine maybe even deeper than you! I have studied my bible and I continue to do so! I am a bible believer. I wouldn't be here if I didnt know what I was talking about.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:35 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          That would be great if there were evidence, but there is not. All evidence points away from the biblical account.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
        • compms

          answersingenesis.com

          February 5, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
        • Huh?

          compms,
          "His plan from the beginning was to send a Savior through the first woman, Eve (Genesis 3:15)."

          "His" plan from the beginning was to make a huge mistake, regret it, and hideously kill all living things, except for 8 "righteous" doofuses and their menagerie?!

          February 5, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
        • compms

          God loves you all! Keep reading and and take nothing at the surface level. I am off to the rest of my day, praising our wonderful God and Savior, Jesus Christ!

          February 5, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
    • Old Enough

      Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean (a) GOD did it.
      If you bring up the argument that because we (people) "fit" so perfectly with our environment (the world) your argument is flawed. "fit" is what evolution does. organisms that "fit" better than others survive.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
    • Geo Bruno

      But you only believe in the Christian god and none of the many others, other folks believe in.

      So there ya go

      February 5, 2014 at 12:26 pm |
    • Almighty3201

      Way to substantiate no argumentative point other than to agree that you cannot approach the questions I raise! Thats a very legitimate concern and yet with all your badgering you still cannot come up with a reasonable explanation! I agree that I cannot explain all of God's processes as long as you agree that you cannot explain evolutionary processes involving Macro evolution i.e. from one species to another. They drew it out on paper and thats where it ended.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        Here's a good starting point: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

        February 5, 2014 at 12:46 pm |
    • Geo Bruno

      Again you mean the Christian god that you follow

      There are many other that other folks follow, that are just as real to them as you god is to you

      February 5, 2014 at 12:38 pm |
    • 867-5309

      Except Ham didn't make this "man" look like a fool. Both presented their sides in an even manner; you're predisposed to believe what you want, and by your username, you had your mind made up before the debate began.

      Why did you even bother to watch?

      February 5, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
    • sandalista

      OK, let's go with your claim of creation. The Earth was then created to be inhabited by people us, his flock. Many questions arise but here are a few:
      Why is only 10% of the Earth inhabitable for humans? (90% is ice, desert, mountains, oceans). If it was meant to be created for us, 100% should be usable.
      Why do whales have lungs? They spend their entire life in water.
      Why is our aorta 5 times as long as needed? Why do we have an appendix?
      Why are our eyes 'created' inverse?
      Why have we not found another planet with life? There are billions of stars and planets just as dead matter floating around. Why the waste? The universe should be teeming with life, humanoid or different, if a deity created it.

      Of course there are thousands of questions about the OT as well. Do you stone anybody to death if they work on a Saturday? Do you kill your children if they are disobedient? My guess is not...which means you are cherry picking.
      I understand the emotional crutch religion provides; the fear of death and the hope of an afterlife can be powerful feelings..
      However, once you claim to rely on a 2000 year old book and you try to publicly promote it (schools, courts, etc.), you lost all credibility for a rational discussion.

      February 5, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'I think it's awesome Ken Ham made this "man" look like a fool!!! HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA '

      I think you must have been watching a different debate. Even the Christian today website has 92% of people claiming Nye won the debate.

      February 5, 2014 at 2:42 pm |
  7. Jerry Frey

    The Old Testament is significant only as it relates to the New Testament.

    Decide for yourself.

    http://napoleonlive.info/judas-the-galilean/

    February 5, 2014 at 11:49 am |
  8. Manalto

    This is about as rewarding as arguing with your cat.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:47 am |
    • Jeff

      HAHAHAHAH, This is by far the most logical statement presented in this entire article and comment section, nay the entire debate!

      Done and done.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
  9. Jim

    Fact: 9 million children under the age of 5 die every year worldwide – Let me see, 80% (believers in a religion) of roughly 18 million parents had their prayers go unanswered. So, god either can't do anything about it or chooses not to. Which makes him either impotent or evil – Yet he saved a couple of thousand animals – hum, doesn't seem logical – must be god's way

    February 5, 2014 at 11:40 am |
    • youreyesareweird

      Good stuff, but you need to credit Sam Harris when making those quotes.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:50 am |
  10. charley

    So a science guy debates a guy who believes in fairy tales ? Come on. Sometimes i wonder if anyone has ever bothered to read the Bible.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:38 am |
    • Just The Facts

      Jesus Christ was not a fairy tale, or haven't you heard...

      February 5, 2014 at 11:39 am |
      • Hill

        No proof he actually existed. No records survive from the Romans about a crucifixion, and the Romans kept records.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • Just The Facts

          Liar. Even you are not dumb enough to believe that…

          Do a simple Google search for the name "Jesus Christ" and you'll find are a billion records calling you al liar….

          February 5, 2014 at 11:58 am |
        • In Santa we trust

          Lots of google hits only means a lot of sites mentioning Jesus which is not surprising as christianity and islam are two of the biggest religions. It doesn't mean that everything written about Jesus is true. There is very little evidence for Jesus and none for the miracles and resurrection which are the foundation of any belief.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:24 pm |
    • Jay

      It's the most popular read book in all of history, you should study history too! It's not an American thing either, it's actually Middle Eastern in origin. And it has believers in every nook and cranny of the world. It's changed my life in more ways than you can imagine! Thank you Jesus! I'm not a normal church goer, as most Americans, I actually read it, and let me tell you, it's truly good news! Before you understand the good news, you must understand the bad news first: check out livingwaters.com

      February 5, 2014 at 11:44 am |
      • saysame

        It numbers matter then there are more Muslims. I'm guessing that suddenly you don't think numbers matter.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:49 am |
        • compms

          not talking about numbers of followers, Jesus already said his would be smaller in number, so watch out if there are supposedly more Christians, they must not be TRUE followers, I was referring to the number of times the Bible has been sold, it's the most popular, most sold book in all of history

          February 5, 2014 at 11:55 am |
        • Drake

          He never said anything about numbers (Shakes head in disappointment, because of ignorant people).

          February 5, 2014 at 1:17 pm |
  11. Seoras

    All theories should be discussed in classrooms, not just one. Classic Darwinian evolution, punctuated equilibrium, intelligent design, biblical creationism including evidence for & against each one should be discussed. Then people should be allowed to make up their own minds.

    This kind of debate will stimulate critical thinking which is sadly in very short supply in American schools. Due to the deterioration in our educational system, students can hardly read or calculate, much less critically evaluate anything.

    Kudos to both Bill Nye and Ken Ham for this kind of debate. Sadly, too few people will even pay attention, much less try to understand the ideas presented.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:36 am |
    • I AM

      What about seperation of church and state ?

      February 5, 2014 at 11:40 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'Classic Darwinian evolution, punctuated equilibrium, intelligent design, biblical creationism including evidence for & against each one should be discussed.'

      sorry but religion has no place in a science class, it really doesnt. And why stick to biblical creationism? why not the Egyptian ejaculation creation myth? or the Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime myths?

      February 5, 2014 at 11:41 am |
    • Jason

      The problem is intelligent design and other creationism ideas are not scientific theories, they are not backed by science, by evidence of any kind. So discussing them in a science class takes away from the real theories. You could, given infinite time, discuss why creationism and thousands of other crackpot ideas are not science, but I can't think of any reason to give that a priority of any kind. It is much more useful to teach real science.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:42 am |
      • Bill Renrewd

        But Evolution is bad science at best. It's placing stock in questionable information because you just assume that it's the best information we've got. I'm at least willing to accept the fact that there are things that are beyond my understanding. Now, who's close minded, you or me?

        February 5, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          I would say the person that describes evolution as 'bad science at best. It's placing stock in questionable information because you just assume that it's the best information we've got.' is the closed minded one.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
    • saysame

      Creationism is not a scientific theory. As creationists have admitted in court many times. That's why they are barred from a science classroom. We don't teach Astronomy vs Astrology, Alchemy vs. Chemistry, etc.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:51 am |
    • Craig

      I'm ok with adding Creation in public schools as log as Evolution is taught in church.

      February 5, 2014 at 12:10 pm |
    • M

      you cannot compare science and a made up fairy tale-they are NOT EQUAL

      February 5, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
  12. JeffreyRO5

    Hamm treads on thin ice by implying that faith beliefs can withstand scientific scrutiny, that is, evidence, observation and predictive power. They can't and to try to sell them on this basis risks alienating both current and potential believers. Faith is just that: faith. It's not science and can't be treated as such.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:32 am |
    • JK

      I understood his point to be the opposite, namely that 'origin of life' is a matter of faith exclusively. Evolution requires faith, just as much as creationism, since observational methods are not applicable. His argument is that for him, creationism makes more sense of the facts so he chooses to have faith in it, rather than have faith in evolutionary theory. Of course that has broader implications (i.e. the question of God's authority) that people seem to want to avoid.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:41 am |
      • saysame

        Ham is being modest in his skepticism. He dismisses at least a dozen fields of science. He's trying to make his dismissal seem reasonable but it's pretty extreme.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:53 am |
      • Dee3

        it take take "faith" to believe in evolution if you don't understand the evidence.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:55 am |
      • ummmm

        Facts don't require faith. That's why they're called facts. It doesn't matter whether you believe its right or not, that's the point of facts. Evolution has millions of facts and pieces of evidence behind it. Creationism has one book written two thousand years ago by people who had no idea what science was. I can believe the world started because a bear took a dump in space. That has as much scientific evidence as the bible. Does it mean it's right? No, because I have zero evidence or facts to support my theory. The whole reason this debate exists is because one theory has evidence and thousands of people working to verify that evidence and paint the most clear picture of what occurred millions of years ago, and the other theory has one book of fiction that people take literally. Its shameful that as a human species, our scientific progress is bogged down by people who are not grounded in reality.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
  13. Jim

    I didn't get a chance to watch the debate. I was late getting home from my Alchemy class but maybe I can watch a re-play before my Astrology class today. Wonder if they are summer taking job applications at the Creation Museum?

    February 5, 2014 at 11:23 am |
  14. Reality #2

    Obviously, Mr. Ham has never been to a natural history museum.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:21 am |
    • Jim

      or received an 8th grade certificate

      February 5, 2014 at 11:31 am |
  15. Gabe

    "If you believe in a universe that was created by accident, then there is ultimately no meaning and purpose in life, and you can establish any belief system you want with no regard to an absolute authority." The same is true about religious views, just because you are so desperate to find a meaning in life you are willing to believe anything otuside the boundaries of common-sense and proven science and go to the extreme of trying to rationalize fantasy. For the religious person, the word "Faith" is the ultimate get-ouf-of-jail-free card.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:19 am |
    • Jim

      It's all about the wish to deny that death is real. It's the central core of all religions. Our species needs to grow up and emancipate itself.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:27 am |
      • JK

        Why the drive to empty life of all meaning whatsoever?... and why feel so passionately about it, if it doesn't matter anyways?

        February 5, 2014 at 1:13 pm |
    • JK

      I'm curious... explain "proven" science. How do you "prove" what no one was apparently around to observe? Consensus belief is not proof.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:28 am |
      • DaveCA

        "I'm curious... explain "proven" science. How do you "prove" what no one was apparently around to observe? Consensus belief is not proof."

        No- but science delves into questions and forms theories and questions which evolve as scientists learn more and more. Creationists- not so much. In fact they never change their beliefs and Ham said this exactly when questioned in the debate. As for your question- a little light reading:

        Cosmic background radiation (sometimes called the CBR), is the afterglow of the big bang, cooled to a faint whisper in the microwave spectrum by the expansion of the Universe for 15 billion years (which causes the radiation originally produced in the big bang to redshift to longer wavelengths).

        February 5, 2014 at 11:37 am |
        • Just The Facts

          DaveCA… You stated… Creationists never change their belief…" Answer: If what we believe is the truth (backed up by Jesus Christ himself) then we have no reason to change it….

          You also stated "Cosmic background radiation is the afterglow of the Big Bang…" Answer: That statement is nothing more than a theory, in the same manner the Big Bang is nothing more than a theory…

          February 5, 2014 at 11:48 am |
        • fyi

          JTF,

          Your creation idea barely merits being called an hypothesis - which is lower down the list than theory.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:49 pm |
      • Gabe

        Evolution is proven science, wether you believe Darwinism or not, it is proven science that species evolve and adapt, including humans. It is also proven science that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, scientifically proven. The theories of creationism are based on thin-air, rationalized fantasy only explained by "faith".

        February 5, 2014 at 11:45 am |
        • JK

          Asserting something strongly doesn't make it true. Underlying everything you stated is your faith in the idea that natural processes we observe today have always operated in consistently the same manner and speed. I'm not questioning that it is a reasonable possibility, I'm questioning how it can be "proven" when there is no way to test it.

          February 5, 2014 at 11:58 am |
        • Just The Facts

          Gabe… Wrong. Evolution is in no wise proven. Evolution is based upon a theory, and a theory is not proof. As regarding dinosaurs, no one is disputing that such animals once existed (the existence of their skeletons is proof of that fact), what is in dispute is the "age" of those skeletons. I contend the skeletons are only a few thousand years old, and not millions of years old as scientists claim. The belief they are millions of years old is nothing more than a theory….

          In contrast, creationism is not a theory. Creationism is a fact. It is a fact confirmed by Jesus Christ himself who was personally there and witnessed the earth being created…

          February 5, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          You should change your name as all your comments are fact-free.
          There is no evidence for creationism which is why it is not taught at higher levels of education.
          Here's a start for your learning about evolution: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

          February 5, 2014 at 12:29 pm |
        • OTOH

          Just The Facts,

          Let's have your definition of "theory", please. (and one for "fact" too, if you wish)

          February 5, 2014 at 12:55 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          'I contend the skeletons are only a few thousand years old, and not millions of years old as scientists claim. The belief they are millions of years old is nothing more than a theory….'
          Its a scientific theory backed up by collected data. Your contention of the skeletons being a few thousands years old is backed up by what science?

          'In contrast, creationism is not a theory. Creationism is a fact. It is a fact confirmed by Jesus Christ himself who was personally there and witnessed the earth being created…'
          Ah ok, so you are just trolling then. You should have said.

          February 5, 2014 at 2:47 pm |
      • usdtmcs1

        How can you prove the Bible and anything written in it? Were you there to see the Bible being written? Ken kept making that same argument last night that the Bible basically trumps everything in science. Someone, anyone, please explain to me how the Bible is anything more than a group of stories that is any different than any other piece of fiction ever written. Just one piece of proof.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
    • Just The Facts

      Gabe… Wrong. The Christian belief is not based upon mere faith, but is based upon Jesus Christ who was a real person who came to earth and died on the cross…

      February 5, 2014 at 11:38 am |
      • Gabe

        Sorry to burst your bubble, but again with this evidence thing, there is no proof that Jesus Christ existed, again, the bible is the written word of men.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:53 am |
        • Just The Facts

          Do a simple Google search for the name "Jesus Christ" and you'll find a billion records calling you a liar...

          The bible was written by holy men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (meaning God told those me what to write)...

          February 5, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
        • PR

          @Just the Facts,

          Would a real smart god send the likes of YOU to be its ambassador? Really?

          Keep it up, though, you are giving non-belief a big push.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
      • UncleM

        If Jesus was a single historical figure, he was a mere man. There is no evidence for virgin births and resurrections.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:09 pm |
        • Just The Facts

          UncleM… Please show us your evidence that Jesus Christ was a "mere man". We'd love to see it…

          February 5, 2014 at 12:27 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          'Just The Facts
          UncleM… Please show us your evidence that Jesus Christ was a "mere man". We'd love to see it…'

          Seeing as that is the default position of mankind I think you would need to present evidence to show he was anything other than a 'mere man'

          February 5, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
      • Geo Bruno

        Jesus

        They guy who would be called a Marxist by his so called followers, if he appeared and read the sermon on the mount to them?

        February 5, 2014 at 12:32 pm |
  16. Gabe

    "Ultimately, I have decided to accept an authority — our infallible creator and his word, the Bible — over the words of fallible humans". This is an oximoron, the bible is written by fallible humans.

    February 5, 2014 at 11:06 am |
    • Aram

      CHECK the video on you tube " Our Created Solar System" posted by idea pump. The astronomer is dr.Psaris. Amazing facts about the Solar system

      February 5, 2014 at 11:14 am |
      • Paul

        Yes, there are amazing FACTS about the solar system. But last night's debate was about origins. How did the solar system come into existence? Like Ken Ham said last night, origins are ultimately about philosophical worldviews.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:31 am |
      • cedar rapids

        You are backing the wrong horse if you think that video holds water of any kind.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:38 am |
    • Jay

      The Bible is actually written by the Holy Spirit, which the Bible teaches is God. Holy men of God wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2Peter 1:21). Further confirmed in 2Timothy 3:16: All Scripture is God-breathed....

      February 5, 2014 at 11:24 am |
      • Jim

        and you know this to be true because? Oh, yes, you were indoctrinated – had you been born in the middle east, you'd have another delusional belief system – huh?

        February 5, 2014 at 11:29 am |
        • Jay

          Actually I was just responding to the original comment that the Bible was written by fallible humans. And no, I wasn't indoctrinated. Christianity (Biblical christianity, not catholicism, not mormonism, you'll have to study it for yourself to figure out what it truly says because Satan has put up many false look-alikes), but Christianity doesn't punish it's followers for investigating other religions, I grew up going to church, but investigated other books and beliefs and without any pressure from fellow christians or family came to my own conclusion that the Bible was true. Jesus loves you bro, He proved it by dying on a cross to take the punishment of your sins. I know it's weird to the world, but followers of Jesus are not of this world, we're born again. Read John chapter 3 if you're interested.

          February 5, 2014 at 11:39 am |
      • Flappy

        So Timothy wrote in the scriptures he was writing that the scripture he was writing was not written by Timothy but was breathed onto the pages directly by God himself? Do you think he was able to keep a straight face while writing that?

        February 5, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • Jay

          only thanks to the Holy Spirit, who was empowering him to write it (2Peter 1:21)

          February 5, 2014 at 11:47 am |
      • Gabe

        Again, my point of rationalizing fantasy to explain the unexplainable. What is interesting to me is that if I came up to you and told you that a snake asked me to eat an apple today you would think I'm crazy. Yet, somehow, thinking that there was a talking snake thousands of years ago and we were all created out of thin air somehow seems rational to you.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm |
        • compms

          actually I believe in SUPERnatural events, God-ordained or satan-initiated, I know super natural events from both sides happen all the time via dreams, sickness, death, curses, blessings, appearances (angels), etc etc etc

          February 5, 2014 at 12:06 pm |
      • Geo Bruno

        Again I ask which god?

        There are many other gods that billions of non christians worship

        When do you mention them

        February 5, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
        • compms

          Yes, the questions could fill up a lifetime, but to your specific question: the Bible calls other gods, just that, other gods. They are either the creation of man, from his imagination, or from the work of his hands, but there is only one God that created all things, and that is over all things, and that loved all people, by becoming a man to die on a cross to take on the punishment of our sins. Because God is just and good He must punish sin (Psalm 7:11), but He is also good and merciful so there is atonement available to those who would accept the atoning sacrifice. Read John 3. Check out livingwaters.org too

          February 5, 2014 at 12:18 pm |
      • Gabe

        @Jay, I stopped reading after the word "Satan". Keep on throwing out those Disney fantasy names, it will continue to enhance the "credibility" of your arguments.

        February 5, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
    • Just The Facts

      Gabe… Wrong. The bible was written by God. The prophets who wrote the scriptures were "holy men of God" who were moved by the Holy Ghost, meaning they were being controlled by God and God was telling them what to write. The men were nothing more than the writing instrument, in much the same manner that a writer uses a pen….

      2 Peter 1:20 – Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost…

      2 Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God…

      February 5, 2014 at 11:32 am |
      • cedar rapids

        Harry Potter was written by god. God directed Rowling on how to write the series of books.
        Now prove me wrong.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • Don't limit Science

          You can't, and that's the beauty of it. You can't make anyone believe anything, we are all free to believe what we want. That doesn't make it right. Just like science, you can come up with any theory you want, but that doesn't make them right.

          Also, let's go back to the basics of science. You test all theories, not just the ones you want to be true. Science doesn't discount anything. There are few laws in science because it is set up to test all options. On top of this you can't test or recreate ANY creation theory. We can't make a big bang to test it, we have no records of any animal evolving into another, we just have peices to the puzzle. You can't test and religeon with a god because, again, we only have peices. Plus to test any god would imply that they are limited and that there must be another explaination. Debating this is just flexing intelectual muscle, but no side will ever "win" or be 100% right. But guess what, that's how Science is supposed to work! I'm sick of these "intellectuals" claiming that science has proven them right when claiming that is against the very basics of science.

          February 5, 2014 at 12:22 pm |
      • Gabe

        And you know this because? Ah, because it says so in the bible. Never mind the circular argument that you believe that the bible is the "word of god" because the men that worte the bilbe tell you that god told them to write the bible. You don't see the irrationality of your argument? Men are known to make up stuff, yet somehow you take the word of the authors of the bible when they tell you that god himself told them to write the book, and you take these people at their word because?

        February 5, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
        • Just The Facts

          Gabe... I know the bible is true because Jesus Christ says it is true. And his word is infallible...

          February 5, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
      • Jackson

        And what evidence can anyone on the planet today possibly possess to show that, say, in 610 AD, a group of clergy didn't get together and change the bible to suit their purposes? And that it didn't happen again in 900 AD and 1150 AD. After all, movable type didn't come along until the 15th Century. There are different translations out there as it is.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
        • Just The Facts

          MYTH: The bible has been modified or tampered with…

          FACT: Although false bibles do exist today (courtesy of Lucifer, in an attempt to deceive you), the real true bible still exists today. The original scriptures and original manuscripts has never been altered. God would never allow it. The following confirms this fact:

          Matthew 5:18 – (Jesus speaking) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one ti-ttle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled…

          In the above scripture, Jesus is saying that both heaven and earth would pass away before he would allow even a single jot (the dot at the end of a sentence) or one ti-ttle (the short line that crosses the letter "t") to change in the law (the word of God). God would never allow it. Yes, false bibles do exist, but the original "unmodified" scriptures also still exits, and shall always exist. God only needs a single copy of the original scriptures to fulfill his will. He don't need a thousand. Jesus further confirms this by saying…

          Luke 16:17 – (Jesus speaking) And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one ti-ttle of the law to fail…

          Luke 21:33 – (Jesus speaking) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words (the scriptures and word of God) shall not pass away…

          The original scriptures will forever exist, and will exist long after both heaven and earth have passed away. People who say the bible has been tampered with have no truth…

          February 5, 2014 at 12:51 pm |
        • OTOH

          JTF,
          "The original scriptures will forever exist..."

          Please tell us where these "originals" are located.

          February 5, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
      • John Doe

        "This napkin is the one true text because it says so right here on this napkin"

        February 5, 2014 at 12:27 pm |
        • Just The Facts

          People who make statements like that are "scorners" who have no interest in truth. The bible is true not because it says it is true, but because Jesus Christ the Son of God has verified it is true...

          Proverbs 1:22 – the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge…

          February 5, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
    • Gabe

      Back to my original point on topic here; so you can argue all you want that Jesus Christ himself can vouch for the veracity of the bible (which he never did), or that somehow the authors written words were guided by the "holly spirit; the point in fact is that the bible was written by men, men like you or I, so yes, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of "taking their word for it. It's hard for me to understand why so many people that otherwise seem rational in their every-day life, continue to believe on this fantasy based religious view of the world that defies all rational way of thinking. I don't deny the existeance of a supreme being (call it God if you will), what I find idiotic is the irrationality in which we allow religious beliefs to have an effect on our every day lives and not always for the betterment of mankind. These ideas that somehow if we don't belong to your particular brand of religion we are doomed in our existance and we are condemn to a post-life of misery. People are nutz with their religion, they kill in the name of "god" and judge in the name of "god" and are exclusionary in the name of "god", and hate in the name of god; there is nothing more divisive in the world than religion, so I do take issue when people want to bring their religious ideas into the public education of impressionable young minds and continue to argue that these ideas (worthy of a Disney fable) somehow equate to the rationality behind scientific thought.

      February 5, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
      • cdaniels317

        Jesus Christ is a person who really lived, not a fantasy character. If you read the Gospels, you will see that He did vouch for the veracity of God's Word. And if you study history, you will find that multiple more atrocities against humans have been committed as a result of naturalist evolutionary philosophy than any other. Just read Richard Wurmbrand's book, Tortured for Christ. You can get a copy free at The Voice of the Martyrs website. Also, read A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Read The Bridge at Andau by James Michener. I hope you will not respond until you read these.

        February 5, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
        • Gabe

          Jesus Christ may have been a person if you can in fact prove that he existed, but it's a long way from being a person to being the son of god. Again, you are basing your beliefs in the written gospels which were written by men decades after the supposedly death and resurrection of Christ. If Jesus was such a transformational figure in his time why is it that we don't have any first-hand accounts from witnesses at the time? Once again, you are relying on anecdotal writings of men and considering these to be the infallible word of god. On your other point, defending the atrocities perpetrated in the name of religion or in the name of god by comparing them to similar atrocities perpetrated on other sets of beliefs does not make for a good wining argument.

          February 5, 2014 at 11:10 pm |
  17. T

    The evidence and "peer review" people are looking for in any school of thought like "evolution + a creator to fill the gaps" cannot be given.

    Take a blind man and ask him to see. Take a deaf person and ask them to hear. Its impossible. Similarly the creator worked in mysterious ways that are on purpoise hidden from you. It is arrogance to think you can "explain" his ways.

    February 5, 2014 at 10:53 am |
    • cedar rapids

      'Similarly the creator worked in mysterious ways that are on purpoise hidden from you'

      Why? why would he hide them? for what possible purpose?

      February 5, 2014 at 10:55 am |
    • OldSchool

      LOL actually science is working on making it so that the blind can see and deaf can hear, because we understand how those processes work physiologically, via scientific experimentation and discovery. You know, to make up for the mistakes of this "god"....

      February 5, 2014 at 11:05 am |
    • Aram

      CHECK the video on you tube " Our Created Solar System" posted by idea pump. The astronomer is dr.Psaris. Amazing facts about the Solar system

      February 5, 2014 at 11:11 am |
  18. John

    Answer to every Creationist test question: "God made it."

    February 5, 2014 at 10:48 am |
    • Reality #2

      But never answer the question as to who made their god!!!!

      February 5, 2014 at 11:23 am |
    • Jay

      If it's about what makes sense, what makes more sense, nothing made something, or something made something. I know, you're thinking, but what made the first something, and to that I'd say, nothing, God always was. To you that may be ridiculous, but to me, I see creation, so the idea of a Creator makes a lot more sense than nothing made something. God loves you bro, He showed it by becoming one of us and taking on the punishment we deserve. That's why I even care to take time to answer this post now... it's why I take time to love everyone else too 🙂

      February 5, 2014 at 11:31 am |
      • redzoa

        It made "sense" to believe that certain diseases were caused by "bad air" (mal aria) or the "influence" of the stars (influenza). What makes intuitive sense does not always hold up to critical examination.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • compms

          i agree, which is why i said, "IF" if it's about what makes sense (my user name has changed since i signed up for this blog thing)

          February 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
        • compms

          "there is a way that seems right to a man, but it's end is the way of death" -Proverbs 14:12

          February 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm |
        • redzoa

          What I was trying to point out was that "what makes sense" always gives way to what is supported by empirical physical evidence. Evolution does not argue "something from nothing." We don't know what may or may not have existed before the expansion of the universe, but to my knowledge, the evidence indicates a singularity, not "nothing." To excuse your preferred cause from the "everything that exists must have a cause" premise is simply special pleading via definitional fiat.

          [insert pithy quote from non-religious text]

          February 5, 2014 at 12:20 pm |
  19. OldSchool

    What I found the most absurd about Hamm's arguments is that he kept trying to re-define the meaning of the word "science", utterly hilarious...

    February 5, 2014 at 10:36 am |
    • JK

      What I find most absurd about the most intelligent people in the world is they can't see the distinction between objective proof and mere speculation. Lumping it all into the term "science" and then bullying anyone who would dare try to be accurate in their use of language is most juvenile, and quite sad.

      February 5, 2014 at 11:25 am |
      • cedar rapids

        'What I find most absurd about the most intelligent people in the world is they can't see the distinction between objective proof and mere speculation'

        you mean like the creationists that like to dismiss the science are 'mere speculation'

        February 5, 2014 at 11:50 am |
      • saysame

        Pointing out that a liar is lying isn't bullying him. It's just noting that he's lying. Ham is YEC creationist. He dismisses much of Palentology, Astronomy, Cosmology, Physics, Geology, Anthropology, Linguistics, Evolutionary Biology and more.

        February 5, 2014 at 11:57 am |
        • JK

          So Ham is "lying" by pointing out a distinction between observational science and historical science?

          February 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm |
      • saysame

        He's a liar because he lies about what the science actually says. Like all YECs.

        February 5, 2014 at 12:09 pm |
        • JK

          I'm sorry, but "what science says" is not the issue. Ham and Nye claim the same objective evidence. What a scientist says... now that's another thing altogether.
          So is Stephen Hawking a liar now, or was he before?
          "A new paper released late last month in which famed British physicist Stephen Hawking contradicts his own theory and says that Black Holes – in the real sense – do not actually exist has startled the world science community."

          February 5, 2014 at 12:40 pm |
        • OldSchool

          @JK – THAT IS THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF SCIENCE. It is OK to be proven wrong, it is welcomed in science. The problem with creationists is they refuse to abandon the litany of principles they have proposed that have been thoroughly discredited. They begin with a forgone conclusion and hopelessly attempt to twist everything in that direction, instead of going in the direction where the evidence leads. THAT is their problem, they can't stray from the bible because it is all they have, so instead they come up with ridiculous nonsense in an attempt to validate what clearly cannot be validated...

          February 5, 2014 at 2:11 pm |
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