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March 26th, 2014
02:55 PM ET

Jimmy Carter lectures the Pope on women

(CNN)– Erin Burnett talks to former President Jimmy Carter about his letter to Pope Francis concerning the abuse of women.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Baptist • Catholic Church • Pope • Pope Francis

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  1. rosalindlucindaharris

    SCIENCE PROVES GOD POSTED A COMMENT BUT IT DID NOT BLOG

    April 8, 2014 at 12:10 pm |
    • rosalindlucindaharris

      I DID NOT POST ANY COMMENT ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER AND THE POPE, NOW FRANCIS.. I GI JANE POSTED A COMMENT ABOUT THE BIBLE AND WHY LEADERS OF RELIGION KNOW ABOUT ORDER IN ALL THINGS AND WHY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD HAVE TO BE OBEYED.
      MAN WAS TRYING TO MATE WITH ANIMALS. NUMBERS. GOD IS AGAINST ALL THE SINS MENTIONED BY BOB EVEN THOUGH HE AND I MAY BLASPHEME UNWITTINLY. PRECISION PROVES GOD, MATHEMATICALLY, THE PRECISION OF THE HEART AND THE UNIVERSE AND GRAVITY WHICH AFTER HAVING TRAVELLED THROUH TIME THESE LEADERS ARE NOW FIGURING OUT. SIMPLE SCIENCE.
      THE WOMANS CHILDREN WERE EVIL AND THEY AINT MINES. THE OTHERS GOD ARE MAN MADE IF YOU WOULD LAUGH IF YOU KNEW WHO DID IT. BUT FOR THE EVIL THAT IT CREATED. COLOR WAS LOST.

      April 8, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
      • LinCA

        Please seek professional help. Show your posts to you primary care professional and ask for a referral.

        April 8, 2014 at 5:12 pm |
  2. kev2672

    Maybe he should be lecturing Clinton, Gore, and so on about the treatment of women.

    April 4, 2014 at 9:46 am |
  3. joeyy1

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848SpsjdMyI&w=640&h=390]

    March 30, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
    • rosalindlucindaharris

      THIS WILL NOT GET YOU A PHD. TIME TRAVEL OCCURRED AND THE HID 80 YEARS OF TIME ON THIS SIDE OF TIME AND THEY DESTROYED THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEY BLACKENNED AND FRAME. THEY DID IT IN THE SO CALLED MOVIE WORLD AND IT CAN BE EASILY PROVEN.
      AND THE BOOK THE BIBLE STATES THAT THEY ARE STILL MAKING MADMANNEH TO THIS DAY TRYING TO MATE MAN WITH ANIMALS. CAMP LEJEUNE. BURNT.
      TELESCOPIC PHOTOGRAPH IN 1930 SHOW ONE PLANET AND THEY DID LOOK. ONE MOON AND ONE SUN.
      ELLIS ISLAND SIGNATURES. RECORDS OF NAMES AND FAMILIES.

      April 8, 2014 at 12:34 pm |
  4. lookatuniverse

    Quran says (Islamic Scripture)

    Does the human being not see that we created him from a tiny drop, then he turns into an ardent enemy? [36:77]

    “He raises a question to us – while forgetting his initial creation – "Who can resurrect the bones after they had rotted?" [36:78]

    “Say, "The One who initiated them in the first place will resurrect them. He is fully aware of every creation." [36:79]

    “Is not the One who created the heavens and the earth able to recreate the same? Yes indeed; He is the Creator, the Omniscient.” [36:81]

    “All He needs to do to carry out any command is to say to it, "Be," and it is.” [36:82]

    “O people, here is a parable that you must ponder carefully: the idols you set up beside God can never create a fly, even if they banded together to do so. Furthermore, if the fly steals anything from them, they cannot recover it; weak is the pursuer and the pursued.” [22:73]

    “They do not value God as He should be valued. God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.”[22:74]

    “If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.” [Quran 6:116]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” [19:35]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    March 30, 2014 at 12:07 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the eyes of all the Muslims out there:

      And from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi-

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
      alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      March 30, 2014 at 7:13 am |
  5. joeyy1

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_F9nIps46w&w=640&h=390]

    March 28, 2014 at 5:11 pm |
  6. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    "Jimmy Carter lectures the Pope on women"

    So this is really promotional material for President Carter's new book: "A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence and Power" and the letter he sent seeking Papal "blessing" or endorsement for his campaign on human rights abuses against women.

    It's hardly "lecturing the Pope" dear CNN Belief Blog editors.

    March 28, 2014 at 11:28 am |
    • new-man

      I appreciate that you usually go beyond the headlines to ferret out the reality of the topic at hand. Unfortunately, CNN's Belief Blog editor(s) have proven over and over they're more interested in posting a "catchy" or somewhat inflammatory headline – which is really pointless in my opinion as the comments on the blog will most likely be the same.

      Editors, seek to sow peace instead of strife, please. Thank you.
      Blessings!

      March 28, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
      • observer

        new-man,

        It can be hard to sow piece when many Christian hypocrites are trashing gays or pro-choice supporters.

        There are plenty of rude comments from atheists on here, but none surpass those of the Christian dimwit on here advocating segregation of gays.

        March 28, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
        • new-man

          observer,
          it may be hard, but not impossible. you have to decide to be the example that you seek others to be.

          March 28, 2014 at 12:41 pm |
        • observer

          new-man,

          Are you saying that I am not?

          March 28, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
      • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

        They write 'snappy' headlines to get more keyclicks. This one is particularly inaccurate.

        March 28, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      More interesting to me was President Carter's comments to Stephen Colbert that he was ready to convert to Catholicism, so long as Pope Francis "stays on in office" and "when a female Catholic priest asks me to join her church".

      http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/xepzs5/jimmy-carter-pt–1

      (About 2 minutes in.)

      March 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
    • Akira

      Yeah, it's a pretty sketchy headline.

      March 28, 2014 at 12:43 pm |
  7. Reality

    Granted the RCC has some correctable issues with how they treat 50% of their members but then there is Islam:

    Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Aya-an Hi-rsi Ali in her autobiography, In-fidel.

    "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hi-rsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

    ref: Washington Post book review.

    some excerpts:

    "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

    "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had cas-tes. The Untou-chable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were unt-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we to-uched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as un-touchable, des-picable to the human race."

    "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were ki-lled by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exa-ggerating."

    "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tr-ibal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hypro-cricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

    March 28, 2014 at 8:46 am |
  8. Bob

    Some review reading for Vic follows. Maybe he'll eventually get it and stop his Jeebus babbling.

    Vic, your starting point, your "lord" Jesus-sacrifice-salvation story, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core foundation of your silly beliefs is complete rubbish.

    Now, as for the bible bile that you keep dumping on us, let's have a closer look at some of the other content in your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, re some of the demands that your horrid sky fairy is said to make of you:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    March 27, 2014 at 8:16 pm |
    • MadeFromDirt

      First of all Bob, if you think that by posting your blasphemous comments you are going to convince any of God's people to reject Him, you are more foolish than most deniers. Your comments are exactly what Jesus told us His enemies would do. But I am not saying that you are wasting your time, because you are confirming Scripture with your utterances against God's people, and you are probably "heaping burning coals onto your own head."

      And to the starting point, all of God's people can see that you have no understanding of the nature of Christ. Jesus Christ is not a son in an earthly sense. He is the Son of God in the sense that he embodies the nature of God and He is the personal presence of God. He is one of the three Persons of the triune God. He is as eternal as the Father and Spirit; He is, always was, and always will be. He cannot be "replaced" as you suggest. And Jesus is the Son of Man, God's gift to us to reverse the fall of Adam and to bear God's righteous punishment for our failure to be perfectly Holy and suitable for His presence. Jesus was in eternal unity with the Father until during His crucifixion, and as an eternal Person that time of being forsaken and isolated will always be with Him even though it long ago passed in our linear time. These simple Truths are crystal clear to God's people, and Scripture says to the wicked it makes no sense, and so you are an unwitting confirmation of the Bible.

      In the same way, you have no credible understanding that the entirety of the Bible is a progression of God's revelation and method for reconciling man back to Him. In the biggest way, all of Scripture points to Jesus Christ. The Bible is not something to be fragmented. God's people know this, but the lost love their sin, do not want to hear they need saving, and do not look for the common thread and purpose of Scripture, including the instructions to early Hebrews. Those laws seem odd to our modern ways of life, but in general were for the purpose of separating and preserving God's chosen people until civilization was ready for the arrival of Christ, and showing them that sin has a price and God is a righteous Creator and Judge. Also, there is a difference between God's moral law and the ceremonial law of the Old Testament. Of course, you want to group them together and claim that God demands we follow it all to this day, creating in your mind a legitimate reason to reject God's authority over you. Indeed, God gave man the ability to reason and form understandings, and Scripture tells us that the lost will use that skill to fool themselves, instead of using it to seek God who is the source of all knowledge and wisdom. Scripture, history, and the natural world are God's chosen methods for showing us His Truth. To God's people, Scripture is complete and perfectly sufficient for us to know what God wants us to know in this time, and it is a delight to study His Word to full depth.

      So none of God's people can be persuaded by your garbage, only strengthened in their faith. Isn't it amazing how God uses evil for good in the end?

      March 28, 2014 at 6:29 am |
      • hotairace

        But in fact, religion is in decline. The percentage of nonbelievers is increasing. The only place religion is gaining is in third world countries with high birth rates. Young people, gays and non-gays, have led the gay rights movement, radically changing how gays are perceived, protected and accepted within only a couple of generations. They will be the driving force behind the collapse of religion. But the delusionals will say this is foretold in The Babble. I hope I live long enough to witness their shock when they realize their alleged but never proven gods are just childish mythology.

        March 28, 2014 at 6:50 am |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Hotairace, I agree that organized religion is in decline. It is in decline because in recent decades it has veered away from the hard Truths of the Gospel. It has compromised God's instructions to try to make it more palatable to men, yet that process paradoxically weakens its attraction. Also, the example of the rights issue and the bashing that occurs from so-called Christian organizations is a doctrine that is not consistent with the teachings of Jesus, and it does more damage to the promotion of the Gospel than to the protection and spreading of it. Deep study of Scripture confirms that. Most commonly and in a nutshell, the bashers are essentially ranking sins, and consequently putting their works above the works of other sinners. In truth, we are not saved by our works whatsoever, so it is a dangerous error to elevate one's distaste and avoidance of certain sins over other people who are struggling with that sin. We are all victims of our own sins and we need God's grace to avoid His righteous punishment. Scripture is full of warnings of the dangers and consequences of false doctrine. It is a mistake to group the inevitable self-destruction of false doctrine with the timeless and eternal Word of God, which will always endure in the hearts of God's people regardless of the tumult that grows in society. The declining percentages you refer to are not the result of God's people falling away, because none of His people do fall away, but it is the result of fewer people finding God's salvation in the first place, because of the errors in doctrine we see today coming from "organized religion" which has taken a place of vocal prominence in our culture, much as intended by Satan, and yet still permitted by God for His ultimate purposes.

          March 28, 2014 at 5:10 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          And it is predicted in the Bible that many will have their hearts wax cold toward the end before Christ comes back. The disdain for godly things is accelerating due to the lust people have for THEIR own ways, not God's ways, Loving yourself does not mean getting all the stuff you want or actually not helping others in love , which only God can change your motivations for.

          I shudder when I see how much hatred there is for Christianity and ignorance of what many Christians are doing for mankind.

          March 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm |
        • hotairace

          Hate the sin (all religion, there's nothing special about the dead jew zombie cannibal vampire death cult aka christianity), love the sinner (all delusional believers).

          March 29, 2014 at 10:05 pm |
      • TruthPrevails1

        God's people?? Blasphemous??

        If god could be shown beyond a reasonable doubt to exist then you could call people its people but until then they are not. You may believe that god exists but it is merely opinion not fact. It's not blasphemous if it involves the imaginary.
        It's not that you believe that bothers people, it's that you try to impose that belief on the general public and use it to try to dictate rights. It's the fact that you keep making extraordinary claims and holding society back as a result of those claims. It's the fact that you think your imaginary friend is the only way to live and those who don't live in accordance to the immorality within the book are doomed to suffer in an afterlife that can't be shown to exist. It's the fact that you keep spewing the same old rhetoric from the same out-dated book and don't care about true evidence. Christianity has held societies back by the numerous fallacies it presents and fortunately rational, open-minded, educated people are seeing through the lies and leaving the immoral belief system behind. It will be a wonderful day when christianity is put to the shelves of history as a dead religion (and it will happen).
        Stop worrying about whether or not there is something after the only life you are guaranteed of and start working to save our species-no god will be able to do that, only mankind can and it's people like you who keep waiting for the imaginary second coming that fail society. Time to worry about your own life and mind your business about other peoples lives. Time to grow up and be a benefit to society, instead of a hindrance.

        March 28, 2014 at 6:55 am |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Truthprevails1, you are making a similar mistake as Hotairace by grouping all believers together with the promoters of false doctrine. Your motivation for doing so is similar to the motivations of deniers who distort and separate Scripture rather than studying it with a mind for seeking God, whose existence by the way is proven merely by our existence and consciousness and the beauty and order of Creation all around us. God calls His people not to impose our beliefs and dictate rights, but to warn others of the price of sin and the finality of inevitable death (in the same way we would wake someone asleep on railroad tracks), and to defend His Truths and to correct false understandings that deceive, and to share the joy that we experience from God's grace. In truth, those who seek to impose beliefs by force or law do not know Christ, nor do they honor Him.

          March 28, 2014 at 5:17 pm |
        • observer

          MadeFromDirt,

          Amen.

          Of course, the existence of Zeus also is "proven merely by our existence and consciousness and the beauty and order of Creation all around us"

          March 28, 2014 at 5:24 pm |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Observer, you can call God "Zeus", if you regard Him as our eternal infinite Holy Creator and Judge, who created all and will continue to create, whose purity requires purity to dwell with Him, whose love within overflowed to create man in His image with free will, who permitted rebellion for the purpose of destroying evil, and who surrendered His Son to allow us to use our free will to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. That certainly isn't the Zeus of mythology, and God really doesn't care about labels.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:18 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        See how that works?
        Any follower of Mohammad can see that you have no understanding of Allah...

        Jesus Christ is not a son in an earthly sense. He is the Son of God in the sense that he embodies the nature of God and He is the personal presence of God. He is one of the three Persons of the triune God.

        Anybody who can worship a trinity and insist that their religion is monotheistic is capable of believing anything given the time to rationalize it.

        What about all the non-trinitarian sects of Christianity? Remember, the Triune God didn't become official dogma until 300 years after Christ's death. Even those who formalized the doctrine (the RCC) say openly in their Catechism that nobody can properly understand it, so just accept it and don't ask questions.

        In the same way, you have no credible understanding that the entirety of the Bible is a progression of God's revelation and method for reconciling man back to Him. In the biggest way, all of Scripture points to Jesus Christ.

        Well, not exactly. When the NT came on the scene, the Jewish people had Messiah fever! Around the same time, there were MANY claimaints to the Messiah role like Simon of Peraea, Athronges, Menahem ben Judah, Vespasian, Simon bar Kokhba, etc. ad nauseum.

        That the protagonist in the Torah sequel seems to fulfill the prophecies from the original isn't too surprising. But there are some flagrant holes in the story where the authors obviously cribbed the facts in order to fulfill prophecy.
        To wit, the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem so the authors of the NT invented a circu/mstance in which Christ's parents had to go there to be "taxed and counted".
        But taxation and census taking in the Roman Empire didn't happen that way. They had roving assessors. They didn't force all the itinerant Jews to travel to their ancestral home (around 1,000 miles for Joseph) carrying all of their worldly goods.
        It is a plot device to move the story forward.

        The Bible is not something to be fragmented.

        Except that Christians do it all the time. The Bible is such a mass of contradictions that it has been used to support just about any kind of ridiculous nonsense – often by those on either side of a debate. Slavery, women's rights, gay marriage, capital punishment, crusades, inquisitions....

        A lot of the OT rules for Jews were common sense dictates that weren't commonly known.
        There's no ancient Hebrew word for "trichinosis", but someone noticed that people get sick more often from "unclean" animals. You'll notice that God's menu pretty well eliminates all omnivores and bottom feeders...

        Also, there is a difference between God's moral law and the ceremonial law of the Old Testament. Of course, you want to group them together and claim that God demands we follow it all to this day, creating in your mind a legitimate reason to reject God's authority over you.

        Are the rules calling for communities to join together in stoning sinners to death moral or ceremonial? How about the bits regarding the proper ways to treat slaves?

        Indeed, God gave man the ability to reason and form understandings,

        While God may have given us this capacity, He obviously does NOT want us to use it.
        The original sin for which all of mankind is cursed forevermore is the heinous crime of curiosity. Gaining self-awareness is what got us booted from paradise.
        "Ignorance is bliss", right?

        Scripture, history, and the natural world are God's chosen methods for showing us His Truth.

        Then why have Christians historically railed against discoveries that explain the mechanisms of the natural world as heresies? Heliocentrism, evolution etc.

        http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion

        March 28, 2014 at 8:45 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          First of all Bob, if you think that by posting your blasphemous comments you are going to convince any of God's people to reject Him, you are more foolish than most deniers.

          Of all the crimes ever invented by mankind, "blashphemy" and "heresy" are the most ridiculous, especially considering how many countless thousands have been executed for them.

          Your comments are exactly what Jesus told us His enemies would do. But I am not saying that you are wasting your time, because you are confirming Scripture with your utterances against God's people, and you are probably "heaping burning coals onto your own head."

          Many religions have that kind of psychic safety valve built in.
          "Don't worry about those who reject the fantastic, unebelivable stuff that you have to accept on faith. Heathens will always mock "The Truth" but they'll get punished...
          God doesn't seem to send down angry bears to maul gangs of lippy kids anymore, so I guess you just have to take comfort in thinking that all the non-believers will suffer eternal torture.

          March 28, 2014 at 8:45 am |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Doc, thank you for your thoughtful questions and comments, giving me a reason to clarify and expand.

          Salvation by God's grace alone through faith in Christ alone as revealed in Scripture alone is unlike any other belief or world view. Grouping it together with others is a similar mistake to the ones I just described to Hotairace and Truthprevails1.

          Man did not create the concept of the Trinity. The undercurrent of the Truth of the triune God is present throughout Scripture, even though it was not formalized as a doctrine for teaching until the early centuries of the Church. God is One, in three Persons. He is not three distinct gods as your comment suggests. Of course it is difficult for man to comprehend, in the same way it is difficult for us to comprehend more than the physical dimensions of our universe. But the Truth of the Trinity is perfectly consistent with all the Gospel, and perfectly consistent with the way God works His will as He has revealed it to us.

          Your assertion of "Messiah fever" is incorrect. The Jews at the time of Jesus expected the Messiah to be a conquering warrior and earthly king, and they were disappointed when He taught of His mission to establish a Kingdom in Heaven for us, and when He ultimately submitted to Roman execution without raising a finger against their despised oppressor, they fell further away. By God's grace, a very small minority then began to realize what Jesus had accomplished, and they spread the Truth at great risk to their earthly lives. The power of that Truth is evident as it now extends nearly to the ends of the earth.

          Scripture was written for the audience at the time as well as for audiences of all time. When Scripture was written, slavery was prevalent in society. There were no public schools, and there was little upward movement of socio-economic status. Those born into slavery stayed there, and those born into poverty stayed there and often had to surrender their "freedom" to survive as the last resort. But most slaves were not in chains and mistreated, they were protected as an asset. Scripture gave rules for their safety and well-being so that they could find hope from God even in subjugation.

          Your most glaring error is to say man's original sin was curiosity and self-awareness. Adam and Eve lived for ages in the Garden, exploring, enjoying, and learning about the wonders of the natural creation. The original sin was when they doubted God, they replaced God's truths with Satan's deception that they could become like God, and they disobeyed God. After all God had provided to them, they turned against Him. Similarly, today even in this fallen world, God's providence surrounds and sustains all of us, but most still reject Him, at their peril. God's people do not take comfort in the eternal punishment for that rejection, but we do take comfort that God will be glorified eternally by all men, whether in heaven with Him by His grace and love, or separated as receivers of His righteous wrath.

          Your comment about Christians railing against scientific discoveries is another example of unfair grouping, again caused in part by the Christians themselves unfortunately. It is an error for Christians to close their eyes against science. I imagine they do so with good intent, but it is a short-sighted approach to be locked into previous interpretations of Scripture regarding understanding creation. Science and faith are not mutually exclusive. Science is the study of how God designed and works His will in the physical creation. God designed the universe and placed us in this time and place in a manner that we can gradually discover more and more about it, and thus more and more about Him. And it is all in God's plan when new discoveries show that past interpretations of Scripture regarding the physical realm were incomplete or inaccurate, and He expects us to be constantly seeking to align our understanding with our discoveries, not to cling to interpretations about the physical realm that arose before more facts became available to us by the use of our God-given curiosity and intellect. But in the big picture, no scientific discovery has or ever will disprove the Truth of the Gospel.

          As a sidebar here and for my earlier responses about unfair grouping of all believers with promoters of false doctrine, I should mention that Jesus warned us to strive to enter His Kingdom through the narrow gate, because the many who claim to serve Him and come to the wide and easy gate will be turned away. That is not to say that our works represent a striving for the narrow gate; it is saying that our faith will be tested, and easy, superficial, non-engaged responses are perilous. God does not group together all who claim to follow Him, so neither should we.

          Regarding blasphemy and heresy, I agree they are open to mistaken and ridiculous definitions. The heroes of the Reformation were called blasphemers, and the New Testament itself was called a book of heresy at the trial of Thomas Forret in the early 1500's. But it truly is blasphemous to profane the name of God and to curse and revile His works.

          Regarding your comment about a "psychic safety valve", just because something is true in one way does not mean it is not true in another way. That is, should Jesus not have warned that His followers would face mockery, resistance, marginalization, and even persecution, so that He could have prevented those enemies from making the argument you just did?

          To end on a positive note Doc, I can say it is encouraging that you seem in some ways to admit to the truth of God's creation of everything, and to His intent of revelation to us, including Adam in the Garden and Adam's representation of the entire human race, even though you disagree with His methods. Such recognition, as opposed to cowardly voluntary ignorance, is an early baby step toward a regenerated mind. Perhaps God is preparing to open your eyes to all of His wonderful Truths.

          March 28, 2014 at 6:08 pm |
    • Bob

      Dirt, if quoting from your bible and sincerely interpreting what it says is a crime in the eyes of your nasty sky fairy, and if your god is as murderous and evil as your folklore shows him to be then I feel that I can fairly call your "god" an ASS HOLE.

      And to you I say plainly, it's 2014 already. Fuck your stupid, fictional Jesus stories and get with the modern world. Such foul, bigoted superstitions as Christianity should have no place in it.

      March 28, 2014 at 10:35 am |
      • hotairace

        Yup!

        March 28, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
      • MadeFromDirt

        Bob, your inability to express disagreement in civil language speaks further of your panic and desperation in the darkness, being unable to see your own hypocrisy, and is a shining example of a hardened heart and a cautionary tale for all who are not yet as far along your stumbling path to see.

        March 28, 2014 at 6:14 pm |
        • Bob

          Baloney, Dirt. You are the one without an argument to make, and hence you've attempted more directing without validation. That "foul" language that makes you tremble so, and as I have plainly shown you, accurately describes the ASS HOLE that you worship. It is language that is fully justified by the text regarding the murderous, bigoted, and sexist "god" of your horrid mythbook.

          You do not have the right to not be offended. Toughen up, grow a spine, and try to have a case to present, next time.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 28, 2014 at 6:24 pm |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Bob, you are wrong again, and you already forgot what I wrote earlier, and just dug yourself deeper. What makes you think I am offended? You are harmless to me, but a danger to yourself. I just have to wonder, are you crying for help, or already displaying the rage that will burn in you forever?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:59 am |
        • Bob

          Dirt, you just get more and more desperate. You try to tell me that I'm wrong, but then you have no case that you can make other than empty accusations; your "case" for your "god", your ass hole in the sky, falls apart immediately on examination. I have plainly shown you that my terms accurately describe the ASS HOLE of your folklore that you worship. I intentionally use language that is fully justified by the bible text regarding the murderous, bigoted, and sexist "god" of your horrid mythbook.

          You merely claiming that I'm "wrong" does not a case make. You do not have the right to not be offended. Toughen up, grow a spine, and try to have a case to present, next time.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 29, 2014 at 11:43 am |
        • MadeFromDirt

          Bob, I agree with you on one thing: The god you built into your head does not exist. The god in your imagination is not the God who put us here.

          March 29, 2014 at 8:53 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          The fact that this "gentleman" has to resort to swearing and profanity reveals much about his character .

          March 29, 2014 at 9:59 pm |
        • hotairace

          The fact that you believe in alleged but never proven gods for which there is not a shred of actual evidence reveals all we need to know about your intellect.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:08 pm |
        • Bob

          snr and Dirt, as I've already had to say, I have plainly shown you that my terms accurately describe the ASS HOLE of your folklore that you worship. I intentionally use language that is fully justified by the bible text regarding the murderous, bigoted, and sexist "god" of your horrid mythbook.

          You merely claiming that I'm "wrong" does not a case make. You do not have the right to not be offended. Toughen up, grow a spine, and try to have a case to present, next time.

          Now, look again at what your nasty mythbook presents your ass hole "god" as demanding of you. This time, actually read it:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 30, 2014 at 9:57 am |
  9. sealchan

    Early in the history of Christianity before it even became the state religion of the Roman Empire, there was a turn away from women leaders in the church towards a male-exclusive leadership. Even Paul's comments are arguable latter additions by scribes of his epistles. It would be great for the church to show some moral development. Maybe next they can drop this notion that same se-x orientation is a sin.

    March 27, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
  10. Vic

    ♰ ♰ ♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰ ♰ ♰

    March 27, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
    • igaftr

      Do you really think you are gaining brownie points by spamming that every day?

      March 27, 2014 at 12:02 pm |
    • hotairace

      Jesus Christ is Lord is Bullshit!

      March 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
    • Vic

      This is my daily praise, relevant to the subject matter. The "focus" of the Christian Belief is Jesus Christ Himself. I share it with everybody. When you keep your eyes on the target, you don't lose your way.

      March 27, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
      • Reality

        Obviously, you continue to miss the target. Might want to check the wind direction of your outdated, mostly fictional bible.

        March 27, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          He has his eyes on the Alpha and Omega. the fact that you hate it so much reveals much about you.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:00 pm |
      • sam stone

        "When you keep your eyes on the target, you don't lose your way."

        Perhaps not, but if you are aiming at the wrong target, you are still SOL

        March 28, 2014 at 2:38 am |
    • Jim

      Amen, brother!

      John 1:1 – "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 – "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

      March 27, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
      • sam stone

        wow, jim, very convincing

        March 28, 2014 at 2:36 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Jim: Do you think there might be a reason those words were written like that?? If they said something else, you might not be gullible to accept them. The bible was written by primitive con-men who saw that people could be easily fooled and you've proven it by posting this silly little quote from your big book of lies and immorality.

        March 28, 2014 at 7:27 am |
        • saneandreasonable

          Yes, con men that went to their deaths in many cases due to their assertions to governmental officials of the day. Not really con men if you were totally honest with yourself.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:01 pm |
    • Bob

      More review reading for Vic follows. Maybe he'll eventually get it and stop his Jeebus babbling.

      Vic, your starting point, your "lord" Jesus-sacrifice-salvation story, is nonsense out of the gate. How is it that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core foundation of your silly beliefs is complete rubbish.

      Now, as for the bible bile that you keep dumping on us, let's have a closer look at some of the other content in your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, re some of the demands that your horrid sky fairy is said to make of you:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      March 27, 2014 at 8:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      Jesus Christ is a myth attached to a long dead man

      March 28, 2014 at 2:34 am |
  11. Doc Vestibule

    Women.
    Can't live with 'em.
    Can't phuk beer.

    March 27, 2014 at 11:48 am |
    • Akira

      Lol. Well, that hasn't stopped men from trying with the Micky's Wide Mouths, from what my friends in the medical profession tell me...

      March 27, 2014 at 5:09 pm |
  12. revrickm

    As a former Baptist, it is now interesting to watch how the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) will deal with the topic of women in positions of influence within the Southern Baptist church. I know a few women who are allowed to teach Sunday school classes - as long as there are no men in their class. It's also strange that Mr. Carter still identifies himself as a Southern Baptist when they have their own issues regarding equality for women within their ranks. I think it's admirable that Mr. Carter wants to raise these issues with the pope, but perhaps he should clean up his own house first?

    March 27, 2014 at 6:59 am |
    • hotairace

      Cleaning up ones backyard is a two way street. Is Jimmy C or the SBC known to have systemically protected pedophiles and are they continuing to block investigation into child abuse and its coverup?

      March 27, 2014 at 9:48 am |
      • revrickm

        I don't disagree with you ace, but if you'll bother to read my post carefully, I was specifically addressing women's roles in the church. But since you brought it up, yes there are many recorded cases of pedophilia in church denominations other than the RCC, including Baptist. It's just with males playing such dominate roles in the RCC, they are certainly more prevalent in the RCC.

        March 27, 2014 at 12:45 pm |
        • hotairace

          I completely understood your post. Perhaps your message would have been better received, and not opened the door to my example, if you had left off the last bit starting with "but ..."

          March 27, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
        • revrickm

          Somehow I doubt it would have made a difference...

          March 27, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
    • sealchan

      I suspect that for many their church is their extended family and just because they don't think they way the rest of the family does doesn't mean they still don't think of themselves as part of that family.

      March 27, 2014 at 6:53 pm |
  13. Doris

    This is interesting. Note that President Carter identifies himself as a Southern Baptist. Well, there should be no shock there except for the subject matter that included not a recommendation, but perhaps Carter's wish for a greater role for women in the Catholic church (really as a side note to the purpose for his communication with the Pope, and not argued to the Pope by Carter). I'm not sure every run-of-the-mill Southern Baptist worries much about that particular "flaw" (if you agree with Carter), in the Catholic hierarchy. I suppose it's interesting to me because I know many people personally who are Baptists who have broken away from the SBC over women's roles in the church.

    More importantly Carter says the Pope agrees with him on the need to somehow work together to end slavery and various forms of abuse against women worldwide. That's good to hear from anyone regardless of your beliefs. It will be interesting to see if there is any further effort beyond Carter's letter and the Pope's response toward that goal. It looks like the Carter Center is at least encouraging discussion on the issue. Let's see if the Pope and the RCC build anything from this.

    March 26, 2014 at 7:25 pm |
    • Akira

      I wish it would let me watch the clip.

      March 26, 2014 at 8:20 pm |
      • Doris

        You only have one browser, Akira? Or are you trying to watch from a phone?

        March 26, 2014 at 8:25 pm |
    • cassandra012014

      Jimmy Carter left the SBC several years ago over precisely this issue, according to news reports such as http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/jul/12/jimmy-carter-womens-rights-equality

      March 27, 2014 at 1:46 am |
  14. Bootyfunk

    good, the pope needs to hear it.
    besides a few flowery words, what has the pope done to change the church?
    he said there is a place for women in the church, it's just not in leadership positions.
    the pope tells women they must follow and never lead.
    but he says it with a smile, so it's okay.
    the pope has not changed dogma or doctrine.

    March 26, 2014 at 5:14 pm |
    • CS

      As per Frank, no non-Christians weighing in on church doctrine.

      March 26, 2014 at 5:27 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        luckily, we're not living in a christian theocracy, so all of us can all weigh on all matters.

        March 26, 2014 at 10:21 pm |
    • hotairace

      Nor has he come clean on priestly pedophilia. I wonder what/who he is hiding.

      March 26, 2014 at 5:31 pm |
    • ausphor

      No you darling girl you should not use a contraceptive, we need more youngsters for the flock, seems to work in South America and Africa. Not so much in Europe and the USA where almost all of the catholic woman use contraception as they chose, not some Pope's dictates.

      March 26, 2014 at 5:38 pm |
  15. Dalahäst

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VN2a13ou4&w=640&h=390]

    March 26, 2014 at 4:41 pm |
    • doobzz

      Well, isn't that special.

      March 26, 2014 at 5:35 pm |
  16. Dyslexic doG

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    March 26, 2014 at 4:23 pm |
  17. CS

    These injustices against women are caused by greed and ignorance. I am not optimistic.

    March 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm |
    • Alias

      I would share an old joke about most of the abuse being initiated by the women (they just WILL NOT SHUT UP!), but i'm afraid some idiot would think I meant it.

      March 26, 2014 at 4:23 pm |
  18. Frank

    Can you explain why it is important to have a women priest?

    March 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
    • hotairace

      No, but being an atheist, I can't explain why any charlatans are needed.

      March 26, 2014 at 3:09 pm |
    • CS

      Can you explain why it is important to pay attention in English class?

      March 26, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
    • Alias

      Not important at all, unless you think equality matters.

      March 26, 2014 at 4:20 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      Some women provide a good example of how to live the life that Jesus asks us to. I'm not Catholic so I really don't have a say on who should or shouldn't serve in that kind of role. But I do support pastors and leaders in my tribe that happen to be female.

      March 26, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Can you explain why it is important to keep women from serving as priests?

      March 26, 2014 at 4:56 pm |
    • Akira

      Do you honestly think that women can't spread the word of Jesus?
      Why is the gender of the person more important than the message itself?

      March 26, 2014 at 5:05 pm |
      • CS

        A woman?????????????????

        March 26, 2014 at 5:21 pm |
        • Akira

          Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
          You crack me up, CS.

          March 26, 2014 at 6:37 pm |
    • Frank

      That question was addressed to the Catholics. What next, a non-Christian weighing in on church doctrine?

      March 26, 2014 at 5:15 pm |
      • hotairace

        Any other cult that thinks it is The One True Delusion has weighed in on every other cults' doctrines.

        March 26, 2014 at 5:19 pm |
        • Dalahäst

          "Jesus also taught that we should not judge other people (Matthew 7:1), and that it is God who judges people, so I am willing to let God make those judgments, in the ultimate time whenever it might come. I think ‘judge not that you be not judged’ is the best advice that I will follow. Maybe it is a rationalization, but it creates a lack of tension in my mind about that potential conflict.

          There are many verses in the Bible that you could interpret very rigidly and that makes you ultimately into a fundamentalist. When you think you are better than anybody else - that you are closer to God than other people, and therefore they are inferior to you and subhuman - that leads to conflict and hatred and dissonance among people when we should be working for peace."

          Jimmy Carter

          March 26, 2014 at 5:32 pm |
        • doobzz

          Ooh, another quote from Dala.

          March 26, 2014 at 5:44 pm |
      • CS

        Frank, are you aware there are non-Catholics on the blog? Did you know non-Christians weigh in on church doctrine all the time?

        March 26, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
      • Alias

        Are you suggesting we should watch women being treated unfairly, but say and do nothing?

        March 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm |
      • Frank

        Not having a woman priest is not "unfair", killing female babies is unfair.Did you watch the video clip? What are you doing about female infanticide?

        March 26, 2014 at 5:30 pm |
        • CS

          Not having female priests is unfair.

          March 26, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
        • doobzz

          People can support more than one cause, Frank, didn't you know?

          March 26, 2014 at 5:48 pm |
        • Frank

          You are barking up the wrong tree.

          President Carter addressed the issue well, covering pertinent issues around slavery, infanticide and honor killing and what the Catholic church can and must address. Killing 160 million female babies is not okay.

          March 26, 2014 at 5:55 pm |
        • Frank

          Also, church leadership roles is none of your business if you are not a Christian.

          March 26, 2014 at 5:56 pm |
        • hotairace

          But it is ok for a delusional believer cult such as the RCC to tell others how to live their lives, right Frankie?

          March 26, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
        • Akira

          Are you a Christian, Frank?

          March 26, 2014 at 6:42 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Infanticide refers to a living child and if that is the case the perp in either mentally ill and incarcerated in an asylum or prison.

          Church business is everyone's business when the church is attempting to dictate equal rights and when said church is harboring criminals and not paying their share of taxes.

          March 26, 2014 at 6:56 pm |
        • Akira

          I wonder why anyone thinks it's the Pope's responsibility to eradicate these things?

          Who is killing female infants? Infanticide is killing an infant that is already birthed. Any other use is hyperbole and really silly.

          March 26, 2014 at 7:54 pm |
        • mk

          Maybe we can stop killing female babies AND have women priests! What do you think?

          March 27, 2014 at 9:00 am |
        • Jim

          Ah, the irony!

          It takes a man to point out these atrocities against women.

          March 27, 2014 at 12:19 pm |
    • Allen Paulos

      The church is called first and foremost to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.

      Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me."

      There are some great organizations at work within the Catholic church that are run by women such as:

      Sisters of Charity
      Little Sisters of the Poor
      Missionaries of Charity
      Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
      Religious Sisters of Mercy (R.S.M.)
      Sisters of Charity of Saint Elizabeth
      Sisters of Charity of Saint Vincent de Paul
      Sisters of Charity of the Immaculate Conception
      Sisters of Charity of Jesus and Mary
      Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth
      Sisters of Charity of Montreal
      Sisters of Charity of Nazareth and the list goes on and on.

      The Catholic church has been doing a great service to the poor,needy and the underpriveleged and nuns have been leading the way in those life changing efforts for centuries.These women have already set a great example by actively participating and leading in activities of the Catholic church.

      The church should rise above all the distractions that have snagged them in the past and not entertain any corruption inside the church in terms of power mongering by feminists or otherwise and must continue to stay focussed on spreading the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, which must remain their top priority.

      March 27, 2014 at 11:47 am |
      • Jim

        "The church should rise above all the distractions that have snagged them in the past and not entertain any corruption inside the church in terms of power mongering by feminists or otherwise and must continue to stay focussed on spreading the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, which must remain their top priority."

        Amen & Amen to that!

        March 27, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
      • Bob

        Actually, Allen, religious charities generally are inefficient at getting resources to the needy, compared with secular ones, and Catholic charities are among the worst of the lot. And that is before we even get into Catholic priests buggering little boys and then the pope trying to hide them from justice. In regard to both women and children, the sexual deeds and biases of the sicko Catholic cult hierarchy are nothing to boast about; they are shameful. The well known Mother Theresa was even recently exposed as a very cruel person, in regard to the poor; she caused a lot of needless suffering.

        As for your Jesus story, it's complete bull manure and it stinks. How is it that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The foundation of your crazy religion is complete nonsense.

        Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
        Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

        http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

        March 31, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
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