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March 28th, 2014
01:22 PM ET

Does God have a prayer in Hollywood?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Los Angeles (CNN) – Forgive Darren Aronofsky if he’s begun to identify with the title character of his new film, “Noah.”

Like the infamous ark-maker, the 45-year-old director has weathered a Bible-sized storm – and it’s not over yet.

Aronofsky’s epic, which stars Russell Crowe and boasts a $130 million budget (with marketing costs to match), rode a swelling wave of controversy into American theaters on Friday.

Despite fierce criticism from some conservative Christians, "Noah" was the top box-office draw last weekend, raking in $44 million in the United States.

Part Middle-Earth fantasy flick, part family melodrama, the film is an ambitious leap for Aronofsky, director of the art-house hits “Black Swan” and “The Wrestler.”

Both of those films were showered with praise and awards. “Noah,” on the other hand, has sailed into a stiff headwind.

Glenn Beck and megachurch pastor Rick Warren blasted the film. The National Religious Broadcasters insisted “Noah” include a disclaimer acknowledging the filmmakers took “artistic license” with the Bible story. Several Muslim countries have banned the movie, citing Islam’s injunctions against depicting prophets.

Even Paramount, the studio releasing “Noah,” has agitated Aronofsky, testing at least five different versions of his film with focus groups.

“I can understand some of the suspicion because it’s been 50 years since an Old Testament biblical epic has come to the big screen,” Aronofsky said recently. “And in that time a lot of films have come out of Hollywood that have rubbed people the wrong way."

Box office report: 'Noah' wreaks Old Testament havoc on its competitors

2014 is supposed to be the year Tinsel Town reversed that trend and finally got religion.

A decade after “The Passion of the Christ” surprised Hollywood, rankled liberals and raked in $600 million worldwide, big studios are backing a flotilla of faith-based films.

In addition to “Noah,” there’s “Son of God” from 20th Century Fox, which came out in March and is culled from the History Channel’s megahit miniseries, "The Bible."

In April, Sony Pictures will release “Heaven is For Real,” based on the bestselling book and produced by Bishop T.D. Jakes, a Texas megachurch pastor and multimedia entrepreneur.

The movie “Exodus,” directed by Ridley Scott and starring Christian Bale as Moses, is scheduled for December. So, too, is “Mary, Mother of Christ,” which is billed as a prequel to Mel Gibson’s “Passion.”

More biblical epics may be on the horizon. Steven Spielberg is reportedly in talks to direct another movie about Moses, and Warner Brothers recently bought a script about Pontius Pilate.

The box office hasn’t seen this many faith-based films since Charlton Heston delivered the “The Ten Commandments” in Technicolor. And that’s not even counting “God is Not Dead,” the indie sleeper that took in $8.5 million last weekend.

So what’s behind Hollywood’s religious revival?

“The biggest factor is the dynamic growth of the box office in international markets,” said Paramount vice chairman Rob Moore, one of the forces behind “Noah.”

MORE ON CNN: A flood of reviews for 'Noah'

Moore pointed to the $14 million his film has made in Mexico and South Korea, two of the more than 20 countries where “Noah” will run this year.

As Hollywood’s supply of comic-book heroes seems to run dry, studios know the Good Book comes with a built-in audience of billions. The Bible’s heroes and villains are jeered and cheered on nearly every continent. Its morally complex stories are rife with blockbuster-ready special effects like locust plagues, apocalyptic floods and talking donkeys.

But the controversy over “Noah” illustrates the promise and the peril of bringing the Bible to the big screen.

Yes, there’s a ready-made audience that loves the book, but will they tolerate a script that strays from Scripture? On the other hand, will increasingly secular young Americans flock to see films that look and sound like sermons?

"The earlier emphasis of faith-based films was to sacrifice quality for the message," Jakes said in a recent interview. "But it's dangerous to divide entertainment from evangelism. You're not going to connect with the average movie-goer if you're not putting out good stuff."

But even Jakes, a longtime pastor and film producer, said it's not easy to turn a religious text into a movie.

Megachurch pastor and multimedia entrepreneur Bishop T.D. Jakes' latest film, "Heaven is For Real," releases in April.

The author of "Heaven is For Real" has been adamant that the movie mirror the bestselling book. And Jakes cautions that the film's depiction of heaven does not comport with Christian orthodoxy.

"It's a little boy's vision of heaven," he said. "It's not a theological film by a council of scholars."

Like Jakes, Mark Burnett said he sees the silver screen as an evangelistic tool.

"We believe that over the next few decades, billions of people are going to see 'Son of God'," the reality-show producer said. "This is not just some film to us."

Burnett pitched his movie hard to religious leaders before its release. Evangelical pastors like Rick Warren rented out entire theaters, and Catholic bishops endorsed the film – which hews to the New Testament telling of Jesus’ life.

The Christian push lifted “Son of God” to No. 2 on its opening weekend in February when it made more than $26 million in the United States.

Since then, sales have fallen sharply. But Burnett cautions filmmakers against bowdlerizing the Bible to succeed at the box office.

“There’s a big price to pay for departing from the sacred text,” he said.

Just ask Universal Pictures, the studio behind Martin Scorcese’s “The Last Temptation of Christ,” which sparked outrage in 1988.

Not only did Christians boycott the movie, in which Jesus fantasizes about married life, some sent death threats to studio executives.

“These stories hit really sensitive areas,” said Elijah Davidson, director of the Reel Spirituality program at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California.

Noah’s tale is a prime example. Just four short Bible chapters, it’s more sketch than story: The protagonist doesn’t speak until the boat finally lands ashore.

“And yet it’s a foundational story for many Christians,” Davidson said.

For centuries, theologians have taught that God’s covenant with Noah and post-flood promise to be merciful prophesied Christ’s later arrival.

Building Noah’s arc

Aronofsky, who describes himself as culturally Jewish but not especially religious, said he respects how important the Noah story is for believers.

“We tried very hard not to contradict anything in the Bible,” the director said. “But we also wanted to bring the story alive for a 21st century audience.”

Wiry and intense, with a shaved head and a Brooklyn accent, Aronofsky looks like a man who’s just finished one fight and is girding for another.

“What’s been missing from the whole controversy is my personal passion for the film,” the director said. “I’ve been thinking about this for 30 years.”

"Noah" director Darren Arnofsky's previous films have included the art-house hits "Black Swan" and "The Wrestler."

When he was 13, Aronofsky’s middle-school class in Coney Island was asked to write about peace.

He penned a poem about Noah called “The Dove” that was recognized by the United Nations. (As a thank you for setting him on the creative path, Aronofsky gave his teacher, Ms. Fried, a bit part in “Noah.”)

Even as a child, the director said, the Noah story unsettled him.

Aronofsky didn’t see the happy tale of rainbows and doves told in children’s books. He saw the humans and animals consumed by the waters – the world drowning in the deluge outside the ark.

As he began his film career, the director grew obsessed with telling the Noah story from that perspective – and employing the power of modern special effects to portray Earth’s first apocalypse.

“It’s one of the oldest and most famous stories in the world,” Aronofsky said. “And yet it’s never been told on the big screen.”

There are good reasons for that. After all, it’s a dark story.

God, distressed at human wickedness, decides to hit the cosmic reset button. His waters wipe all life from the planet, except for the fortunate few on the ark. After the storm, Noah gets goodly drunk – perhaps the first known case of survivor’s guilt – and curses the descendants of his son Ham to slavery.

To understand Noah, and to give his character a story arc, Aronofsky and his co-writer, Ari Handel, spent 10 years poring over the Book of Genesis and the midrash – stories written by rabbis to fill out the Bible’s narratives.

They also read texts like the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch, a work ascribed to Noah’s great-grandfather. Handel, who studied neuroscience, is known as an obsessive researcher. The script’s bibliography runs five pages long, single-spaced.

“We had to figure out how Noah and his family would get through this, and what it would feel like,” Aronofsky said.

The studio also hired a Christian consultant for the film. John Snowden is a former youth pastor at Vineyard Christian Fellowship Church, where Moore, the Paramount executive, is a member.

Snowden, who was pastor to Moore's son, said the filmmakers’ questions ranged from the sublime (Why did God create human life?) to the ridiculous (Would Christians be upset if Noah wears pants?).

“I gave them a sort-of manifesto of Christian theology,” said Snowden, 38, who now lives in Nepal. “The most important part of the story is why God created humanity, which is basically to reflect God’s glory. Those are the kind of conversations we would have.”

Script or Scripture? 

Several evangelical leaders have posted positive reviews of the film, and, with the help of a Christian marketing firm hired by Paramount, are spreading the word that nothing in "Noah" belies the Bible.

But others aren’t so sure.

On March 16, megachurch pastor Rick Warren tweeted this message to his 1.3 million Twitter followers:

Director of new “Noah” movie calls it “The LEAST biblical film ever made" then uses F word referring to those wanting Bible-based [films]

For the record, Aronofsky said he’s made the “least biblical biblical film ever made.” That is, don’t expect the camel-and-sandals settings of last century’s Bible movies.

“We wanted to smash those expectations, Aronofsky said. “We are reinventing the biblical epic for the 21st century.”

Count conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck among the unimpressed.

Before he even saw the movie, Beck, who is Mormon, called “Noah” a “slap in the face” to religious people.

“It’s dangerous disinformation,” he told his 10 million radio listeners.

After Paramount screened “Noah” for Beck last weekend, he acknowledged that blasting the film sight unseen was “kind of a dirtball” move.

Then he blasted the movie again, calling it a “$100 million disaster.”

Beck’s biggest problem with “Noah” was Noah himself, whom Mormons believe is the angel Gabriel in human form.

“I always thought of Noah as more of a nice, gentle guy, prophet of God,” Beck said, “and not the raving lunatic Paramount found in the Bible.”

MORE ON CNN: Is 'Noah' film sacred enough?

Jerry Johnson, president of the National Religious Broadcasters, said he has the same problem with Aronofsky’s depiction of Noah.

The Bible calls Noah a “righteous man,” Johnson said. In the movie, his character is much more complex.

Noah begins the film as a rugged environmentalist who teaches his family to respect the Creator and all of creation. As he becomes increasingly zealous, Noah seems bent on destroying life rather than saving it.

“I understand that the writers want to create tension and resolve it, but they push it to a spot where if you haven’t read Genesis, you wouldn’t know whether Noah is really a man of faith or not.”

Moore, the Paramount executive, said focus groups had similar questions: How much of the film is from the Bible and how much was invented by Aronofsky?

At Johnson’s urging, Paramount agreed to include a disclaimer before the opening credits and in marketing materials stating that the film is “inspired” by the Bible and true to its values but takes certain liberties with the story. (The language mirrors Dreamworks' disclaimer for “The Prince of Egypt,” which was based on the Book of Exodus.)

“People needed to know upfront that this is not a literal re-telling of Scripture,” Moore said. “It helped set their expectations for a movie about a guy who goes on an intense journey. This is probably not the Noah they remember from Sunday school.”

Aronofsky and Handel insist, however, that their film never directly contradicts Genesis, and even takes pains to remain faithful to it. The ark, for example, is built to the Bible’s specifications, down to the last cubit.

Ultimately, though, the director has little patience with literalists on either side of the believer-atheist divide.

It's ungenerous to insist, as some Christians do, that there is only one way to interpret Genesis, according to Aronofsky. But it's also pointless to argue, as some atheists have, that no ark could possibly hold all the animals.

The story of the flood has lasted for millennia not because it’s "right" – or wrong – but because it’s deep and alive and unsettling, the director said.

The artist's job, like Noah's, is to make sure those kinds of stories survive – to prepare us for the next storm.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Art • Bible • Business • Christianity • Media • Money & Faith • Moses • Movies

soundoff (2,089 Responses)
  1. shehar39

    When the liberals try to portray something they basically disagree with, it always results in disastor.. other Christian films.. that didn't try to put forth a liberal agenda.. have been hugely successful in the past

    March 29, 2014 at 6:34 pm |
    • Evan

      shehar, best pull that footlong conservastick out of your fat butt. It looks pretty silly there and makes you look even more stupid.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:46 pm |
    • Akira

      Ayup pup pup. That Noah and his wacky, crazy story is about at raging liberal as it gets. Ayyyyyup.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:57 pm |
    • G to the T

      Are you referring to that anti-Semitic diatribe, the Passion?

      March 30, 2014 at 3:43 pm |
  2. blakenaustin

    Typical Hollywood nonsense. The film has little in common with the Biblical account of Noah. It portrays both God and Noah in a very negative light. And it champions the far left's obsession with climate change. Bottom line: don't waste your money on this far left propaganda.

    March 29, 2014 at 6:32 pm |
    • observer

      blakenaustin,

      How could it portray God in a negative light? All he did was kill MILLIONS of animals and torturously drown EVERY pregnant woman, child, baby, fetus, and embryo on the FACE OF THE EARTH?

      March 29, 2014 at 6:36 pm |
      • saneandreasonable

        Uhh, there was never millions of people mentioned in the Old Testament at that time

        March 29, 2014 at 9:07 pm |
        • Bob

          snr, so your murderous sky fairy wiping out thousands according to your mythbook is fine with you? Now regarding your so-called loving god, take a closer look at the horrid deeds that he asks of you, from both testaments of your Christian book of horrors:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 29, 2014 at 9:53 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          Nope.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm |
    • otoh2

      blake,

      Sure... and Silence of the Lambs portrays that brilliant psychiatrist, Hannibal Lector, in a bad light too!

      March 29, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      "obsession with climate change"

      I'd rather it be an obsession than to be waiting for the imaginary son of your imaginary god to save our planet. Take off the blinders and pay attention, climate change is very real and it is happening faster due to humanities own neglect and ignorance.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:49 pm |
    • meatheist

      Yes. you can't portray god in a negative, he's as negative as can be right out of the book. How can you screw up a fictional story based on a fictional story? That's got nonsense.

      March 29, 2014 at 7:05 pm |
    • Akira

      Lmao. Sure. Okay.

      Save your money and feed the hungry.

      March 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm |
  3. homebuydallas

    I don't need to preach in here, that's why I have four blogs and have published 17 books. But I do have this to say: I have believed in God and his Son Jesus Christ since I met them when I was five years old, in the form of a sparrow. (I tell that full story in one of my books.) God IS, and He loves His Children, even the ones who deny Him. It is up to God how each of our stories turns out, really, though he did give us Free Will and we are allowed by God to make our journey for ourselves, under or not under, His Grace, of course. He can see all of time and knows how each of our stories turns out. That is a given. But there is one more thing that is a 'given'. You can rant and roar against God, but I have read The Book, and know how it ends. I praise the Lord for that!

    March 29, 2014 at 6:23 pm |
    • Akira

      Really? What's you're name? Your blog is just an advert.
      Would be interested in your books.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:28 pm |
    • hotairace

      Clearly you do need to preach, and to preach crap it appears.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm |
    • Evan

      homespamdall-less, I met Jesus too when I was a kid. He was a little garter snake. I caught him and squished him and burnt him on a small fire.

      Yippee, Jesus became burnt toast. No more stupid Jesus-freakers to knock on our door and bother us, my mom said.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:39 pm |
    • doobzz

      Was your meeting with the sparrow/Jesus something like this?

      http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/northeast-ohio-man-claims-bird-droppings-show-image-of-christ

      March 29, 2014 at 7:23 pm |
    • newsrell

      So among the millions of slave children abused around the world, what is your god doing with them ? Letting them decide for themselves to go under or not under ? How these young innocent but helpless powerless uneducated children can decide for themselves ? Your god just gave them "free will" and let them to merci of the cruels ? Is he himself cruel , in your opinion ?

      March 29, 2014 at 7:42 pm |
      • saneandreasonable

        What we do know is God will judge justly everyone. The more you know about God and Christ, the more accountable you will be held. Children that have not heard much of the gospel will be judged on a different plain.

        March 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm |
        • hotairace

          What's to know other than there is no actual evidence for any god?

          March 29, 2014 at 9:18 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          This is what this age is looking for , is "proof" . You know deep down inside a creator exists, but cannot handle being held accountable. We will all be held accountable . ....

          March 29, 2014 at 9:34 pm |
        • hotairace

          And why should children be judged at all? A what a fucked up god, real or not, you worship!

          March 29, 2014 at 9:28 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          Nice language. Everyone is judged, Kids not so much as they did not reach the age of accountability.

          Another bitter atheist judging from your using profanity.

          March 29, 2014 at 9:33 pm |
        • hotairace

          I'll settle for a single bit of actual evidence. All you've got is unfounded mumbo jumbo. And a really fucked up imaginary friend.

          March 29, 2014 at 9:37 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          More swear words. Is that how you discourse with your friends face to face? God has given you significant evidence in the creation. You seem like a very bitter atheist. Why is that?

          March 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm |
        • Bob

          snr, regarding your Christ story, the whole Jesus-sacrifice thing is a lot of nonsense. How is it again that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there. The core foundation of your religion is complete rubbish.

          And then there is your murderous, vicious sky fairy, your "loving" Christian "god", who according to your book of horrors AKA the bible places horrid demands on you such as in these direct quotes from both foul testaments of your book of nasty:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 29, 2014 at 9:50 pm |
        • hotairace

          Not bitter at all. Just giving your imaginary buddy the respect it is due in plain English. So tell us about all the evidence I'm missing.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:28 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          Oh, and he is imaginary. If you seek Him, he will answer you.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:39 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          meant, no imaginary. Watching basketball at the same time......sorry.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:44 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          What we can be guaranteed of is that the user name is an oxymoron. It simply is not reasonable or sane to believe in a god that condones so much horror.

          March 30, 2014 at 6:18 am |
        • saneandreasonable

          God judged the earth back then very stringently. We are now in a age of grace, but at some point, he will do a wrap of this whole thing. And when you die, what will be on the other side?

          March 30, 2014 at 10:20 am |
        • igaftr

          sane
          What makes you think there is an "other side"?
          There is no evidence of such a thing.

          It is possible that you will be in Valhalla, if you died in glorious battle.
          It is possible you will be on Mt. Olympus with Zeus.
          You may be judged by Quetzlcoatl, who is angry for you wrohipping the wrong god all these years.
          It is possible ( and the most likely) that the energy and atoms that comprise you simply return to nature, with no cohesiveness such as sentience.

          Many things are possible, but again, no evidence of the "other side".

          March 30, 2014 at 10:29 am |
        • G to the T

          "You know deep down inside a creator exists, but cannot handle being held accountable."

          Arrogance and presumption. I could just as easily say you know deep down that a creator isn't necessary, but can't imagine a world without some kind of cosmic justice and the continuation of the ego after death.

          March 30, 2014 at 11:42 am |
        • saneandreasonable

          It's not ego. It's who we are. Our bodies are just vessels and coats we take off after death. It's where we will be after this short life that is one of the questions, along with who we loved(God) and our neighbors.

          May 29, 2014 at 1:40 am |
  4. Entertainment Today & Beyond

    Ricky Gervais – The Invention of Lying – don't over-think it

    March 29, 2014 at 6:13 pm |
  5. one24scale

    Sure God has a chance. Only this time around it will be to create a God that fits what ever agenda is being sold at the moment.
    I suspect within 10 years maybe even less this God will be a cross dresser with eye-liner, have a felony record and be a dope smoker.

    Hollywood ran out of ideas quite a long time ago. So they revamp things and create 4 part sequels.

    And if you have director like a Quentin Tarantino look for this God to have come by way of evolution. With the mistake being when mankind popped out of the magic salamander.
    Stay tuned, coming to a theater near you

    'God and the mystical kingdom of gaydom'
    staring Tom Hanks and Lady Gaga

    March 29, 2014 at 5:37 pm |
    • doobzz

      Why are you so hung up on drug use and homosexuality? Are you interviewing for the open position at Westboro Baptist Church?

      March 29, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
      • Akira

        You know what they say... Those that protest the loudest...

        March 29, 2014 at 6:19 pm |
        • doobzz

          Yup!

          March 29, 2014 at 6:21 pm |
        • one24scale

          The gay fall back line, suppressing our h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l thoughts and desires. The book has been read.
          Enjoy yourselves no one really cares except the atheist it seems.

          March 29, 2014 at 10:06 pm |
        • doobzz

          @24

          Could you say that again in English?

          March 30, 2014 at 2:23 am |
  6. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    No one's mentioned this yet.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bputeFGXEjA&w=640&h=360]

    I wonder if Maximus Decius Meridius (aka Russell Crowe) get's to say

    "What's a cubit?"

    "Am I on Candid Camera?"

    March 29, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
  7. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    As all churches worldwide turn apostate (or have turned apostate), we can expect new divine Judgement similar to the Flood. This probably will be the last Judgement, and will also be very harsh. We have rejected the Son of God who died and rose for us, and nothing remains than an expecting of Judgement with great fear.

    March 29, 2014 at 4:08 pm |
    • ausphor

      Rainman
      You have yet again come here to pontificate your views on religion without a smidgeon of relevance to the topic, bad boy. Okay you are dealt with a 10 and 2, the dealers up card is a 3, the card count is minus 23, wow do you play the hand, think Rainman.

      March 29, 2014 at 4:17 pm |
      • Akira

        Yeah, what is the deal with bad opinion and even worse proselytizing and this guy?

        Phelps would be proud to call this guy kin. Same fire and brimstone rhetoric.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:26 pm |
        • hotairace

          Drugs or mental illness, take your pick.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:31 pm |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        There is a relevance to the topic: The contemporaries of Noah rejected the message of Noah, and finally the Flood came and killed them all.

        We reject the gospel of Jesus Christ which was once preached through Jesus himself, then through the Apostles and finally through the Church. As we reject such a great salvation, we will face a very harsh Judgement, worse than the Flood.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:37 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Rainer: a few passages you might soak on...

          Jesus said *no one* knows the day, & it comes unexpectedly. (Mt.24:50)
          Elijah despaired because he could not see the faithful remnant. (1 Kgs.19:18).
          Christians are called *out* of fear, into the joy of love & adoption (Rom.8:15; 1 Jn.4:18)
          And note well: Jesus identifies with the Church in Acts 9 (v.4-5), despite how messed up it already was. Don't be so quick to jettison Jesus' bride.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:39 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          The apostasy of all churches of today is certainly unique in history.

          My only hope is that Israel converts, and becomes the Church, the true Israel, the Israel of faith.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Rainer:
          you get the image of 1 Kgs.19, right? Elijah, whining in a cave on Mt Horeb because his "big victory" didn't go the way expected... he just SURE that *everyone* has left the faith... sound familiar?

          now, i'm not claiming to be the whispering voice of God, but what do you get out of 1 Kgs.19:18?
          and on what grounds do you claim something so extreme as to think God has preserved *you* alone?

          March 29, 2014 at 4:49 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          I don't think that God has preserved me alone, but I assume that today live very few Christians on earth. It is like before the Flood, I suppose.

          I don't get to know people keeping the good old doctrine of the Christian Church. That is really a misery.

          Maybe my few Christian fellows live somewhere where Internet is not available, maybe somewhere in the wilderness. How to find them?

          March 29, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
        • Bob

          Actually, Russ, the whole Jesus-sacrifice-salvation thing, regardless of differing interpretations by you and Rainer, is complete nonsense from the get go. Ask yourselves how is it that your omnipotent being couldn't do his saving bit without the whole silly Jesus hoopla? And how was Jesus' death a "sacrifice", when an omnipotent being could just pop up a replacement son any time with less than a snap of his fingers? Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourselves there.

          Then, in regard to the many interpretations of your crazy book of horrors AKA the bible, also ask yourself why we should have to rely on very stale, thousands-of-years-old, many-versions old text, that is only reasonably subject to debates over its meaning. Why is it that your pathetic sky fairy can't even get with the past decade and create his own web presence (no, religious shill sites don't count), or push some tweets out? Even the pope, that creepy hider of criminal priests, could do that much, as can most children. After thousands of years of radio silence, reasonable doubt in the existence of your sky creature is easily justified, to say the least. Your absurd "god" is also apparently less capable at communication than any modern 10 year old.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 29, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Jesus has borne our sinful flesh or the whole sinful mankind. Jesus' sacrifice was much more than an atonement.

          God doesn't want to skip our will because that would actually mean our annilihation (I mean, if God had simply changed us without Jesus' sacrifice).

          The mystery of Jesus' sacrifice is that our free will remains uninjured. A baptized Christian can voluntarily accept every day that he has died and resurrected together with Jesus. Doing this he or she can practice love of neighbour despite the sinful ego or will. It is a miracle.

          It was really necessary that God incarnated in Jesus.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:12 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Bob/Marshall Brain:
          i was serious about Bart Ehrman. i think you'd actually like him (note: i don't) – not to mention your arguments would begin to actually have a basis in scholarship. i really think Ehrman is ultimately out to lunch, but since he actually attempts to engage the scholarship, it'd be a huge step forward for you from Marshall Brain's purposeful straw men.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:01 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Rainer:
          you said: "but I assume that today live very few Christians on earth..."
          why? what is your basis for evaluation?

          March 29, 2014 at 5:09 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          I get to know nobody keeping the true doctrine. That is the basis of my evaluation.

          I only get to know Anabaptists, Cheap-Grace-Protestants, adherents of the pope (Western forerunner of the Antichrist), adherents of Mohammed (Eastern forerunner of the Antichrist), etc.

          I would really like to get to know people simply believing in Jesus, and living a life of love and righteousness through the releasing power of Jesus.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Rainer: what do you believe is "the true doctrine"?

          March 29, 2014 at 5:24 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Jesus sacrifice was more than an atonement: Jesus has borne our sinful flesh when he died on the cross.

          Through faith and (sacramental) baptism we die and resurrect together with Jesus. We die for the sin, and enter Christ. In Christ, and dead for the sin we can practice love of neighbour despite our selfish old nature or will or ego. That is a great marvel: People selfish by nature practice unselfish love. That is a divine work.

          Infant baptism is valid. No rebaptism! Infants can believe, it is a work of the Holy Spirit. If faith comes later, the certain person can refer to his or her infant baptism.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:42 pm |
        • Doris

          (Monitor mode. I'll check back in a while to see if anyone has highlighted the multiplicity and veracity of their marble collection, gathered them in precisely the traditional prescribed manner and run away in a snit.)

          March 29, 2014 at 5:46 pm |
        • Russ

          @ Rainer: so it sounds like you identify with what has classically been called "reformed" theology. is that accurate? if so, why do you distance yourself from reformed churches?

          March 29, 2014 at 5:59 pm |
    • Vic

      Isaiah 54:9

      "9 “For this is like the days of Noah to Me,
      When I swore that the waters of Noah
      Would not flood the earth again;
      So I have sworn that I will not be angry with you
      Nor will I rebuke you." (NASB)

      March 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm |
      • ausphor

        Vic
        Is there a biblical verse you can help Rainman with, on how to play the hand, dealt a 10 and 2 with the dealers up card a 3 and the card count minus 23, he seems to be stuck.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        The last judgement will be a lake of fire.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:38 pm |
        • Bob

          Rainpain, sounds like your nasty sky fairy being an ass hole again. Torture by burning like that would be a crime against humanity. What a jerk.

          Take your tales of your nasty god ass hole and shove them. Enough already.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:44 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          You will regret your useless words.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
        • Bob

          No, Rainer, we regret that you post your useless words, regarding your ass hole of a sky fairy. Get a life.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          March 29, 2014 at 4:54 pm |
        • otoh2

          Bob,

          I sort of consider keeping Rainer busy here a little gift to society. We can scroll on by his diatribes or put in our 2 cents worth, well aware that we will most probably never get through to him... imagine the poor people that he lives near, works with or otherwise interacts with! Aaarghga! We are doing them a big favor.

          I wonder if he's the same one as PRISM1234, who was also similarly tortured (and torturing)?... haven't heard from that one since the registration began.

          I used to say the same thing about LionlyLamb too!

          March 29, 2014 at 4:57 pm |
        • otoh2

          p.s. Lionly was much more benign in his ramblings, however - I'd never compare him to Beastly Braendlein.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:00 pm |
        • Bob

          Yeah, otoh2, I hear you re Rainer. I feel sorry for his neighbors and anyone else he spews his lengthy drivel at.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:06 pm |
        • sam stone

          der fuhrer speaks.....you will regret those words.....

          rainy.....jesus is fully engorged, waiting for your silky mouth

          go service him

          March 29, 2014 at 7:49 pm |
        • saneandreasonable

          Bob, another atheist type that is full of venom. Did you get beaten as a child?

          March 29, 2014 at 9:12 pm |
        • Bob

          Worst ever choice of a handle you have there. Lose the insults already too, you typically vicious Christian, and then we'll talk about your murderous sky creature stories.

          March 29, 2014 at 9:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      Fvck you and this supposed judgement, rainy

      March 29, 2014 at 4:46 pm |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        It is not supposed, it is real.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:47 pm |
        • Bob

          What sam said. Exactly. Rainer, we regret that you post your useless words, regarding your ass hole of a sky fairy.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:56 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Recently some German celebrities were severely injured or died. We are only dust.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:15 pm |
        • Jill

          Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

          So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

          Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

          Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

          And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Always the same.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:22 pm |
        • hotairace

          Rainy, Jill makes at least as much sense as you do. If you study her material hard and long enough, you might find the answers you are looking for. Now, get at it!

          March 29, 2014 at 5:25 pm |
        • sam stone

          it's a hoax and you are a chump

          March 29, 2014 at 7:41 pm |
        • sam stone

          "Always the same."

          Same as you, Rainy

          Condemnation of other sects of Chrstianity and empty proxy threats

          Go home and get your fvcking shinebox, boy

          March 29, 2014 at 7:45 pm |
    • xmfjpaweof

      Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

      March 29, 2014 at 5:51 pm |
  8. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    Hebrew 1

    God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

    The contemporaries of Noah certainly were not Noah's friends though Noah certainly practiced love of neighbour to everybody. The same experienced Jesus. Jesus practiced love of neighbour, but the religious leaders of Israel hated him without cause. What all the patriarchs and prophets suffered small scale, Jesus had to suffer large scale. Jesus was rejected up to the death on the cross. The Flood came and destroyed all the evildoers, Judgement Day will come, and all people who denied Jesus through bad words and works will be punished with eternal fire.

    Let us repent, believe, and get sacramentally baptized, and baptism will carry us through like an ark:

    1 Peter 3: 18-22

    For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

    Baptism is the gateway to a Christian life. If we really have lived the Christian life, we will come through at Judgement Day.

    March 29, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "Noah certainly practiced love of neighbour to everybody"
      +++ except when he sentences his own son to slavery?

      March 29, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        God sentenced Ham or Canaan to slavery. Noah certainly spoke in God's name.

        March 29, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
        • otoh2

          So this "God" character flubbed it again?! He had to send magic evil spells via Noah? What an incompetent, bumbling dope. Good thing 'he' didn't/doesn't exist.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:02 pm |
        • Akira

          So God endorses slavery. Nice.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:02 pm |
        • ausphor

          Ah yes Rainman god was certainly into slavery, nice touch. On the other hand, if you are dealt a pair of 8's and the dealers up card is a 7, with a neutral card count how do you play the hand? Keep practicing if you want to break even or possibly walk away with a few marks.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:07 pm |
    • Akira

      If you see this movie, it'd be tantamount to idolatry.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:51 pm |
      • punkware

        No more than seeing any other fiction movie.

        March 29, 2014 at 5:55 pm |
    • Reality

      Judgment Day has arrived. Noah is pure fiction as RHB continues his US Lutheran ooze.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
    • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

      Baptism connects us with the releasing power of Jesus sacrifice. By our reason we can only accept it as true that Jesus died and rose for us, but baptism connects us with the releasing power of Jesus sacrifice: We die and resurrect together with Jesus. We die for the sin, and enter Christ. Dead for the sin, and in Christ we are able to practice love of neighbour despite our intrinsic sinfulness of our body. Baptism is the seal of faith, the perfection of faith, after that we are able to live the Christian life.

      March 29, 2014 at 4:00 pm |
      • Akira

        ....in your opinion.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:14 pm |
      • sam stone

        you know, rainy, if you take yourself out, you can be kneeling at the feet of jesus immediately. why are you waiting?

        March 29, 2014 at 4:49 pm |
        • Bob

          Yeah, it seems Rainy is pretty eager to lick the anus of his jerk of a sky fairy.

          March 29, 2014 at 4:59 pm |
      • saneandreasonable

        More venom by Bob. what's the hate about, Bob?

        March 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm |
    • danab1234

      What a bunch of gibberish.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:02 pm |
  9. Bootyfunk

    i wonder if this movie only tells the story of the flood or if it goes into what happened after as well.

    noah is an alcoholic. after the flood, he is in his tent, passed out from drinking with his junk hanging out.
    ham, one of noah's sons, comes in and sees dad's family jewels.
    ham goes out and tells his other brothers, shem and j.apheth, that he saw dads twigs and berries.
    shem and j.apheth enter dad's tent backwards and manage to cover dad's trouser snake without seeing it.
    then they wake noah up and tell him that ham saw his sack.
    noah declares that ham and all of his future progeny are to be slaves to shem and j.apheth and their future progeny.

    so let's review
    noah got drunk and passed out with his dork hanging out.
    ham came in to talk to dad and accidentally saw his dad's frank and beans.
    noah punished ham by making him forever a slave to his brothers.

    amen.

    March 29, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
    • ausphor

      Bootyfunk
      Of course Noah could have been having one of those dreams and Ham laughed at the pathetic example of the junk, hence the result.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:38 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        i think you're on to something...
        perhaps noah had an extremely tiny p.ecker and was just really angry and embarrassed that ham saw it.

        March 29, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
  10. Vic

    Any guesses on how the movie will fare in the Box Office?

    March 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm |
    • hotairace

      I hope it tanks.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:30 pm |
    • ausphor

      Vic
      If the evangie crowd boycotts it, as other countries have banned its release, hard to say. The curious and Crowe fans may make it a weekend winner hard to say. Any opinion from you, thumbs up or thumbs down.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:35 pm |
    • Vic

      Well, I myself don't think it will fare well because people are more interested in the controversy itself rather than embellishment. But of course, I could be wrong.

      March 29, 2014 at 3:59 pm |
      • ausphor

        Vic
        You could be wrong as a movie critic but never about the bible, how interesting.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:10 pm |
      • Akira

        I believe it's the poetic license that is stirring the controversy, Vic; true. I am not sure I've ever seem a Biblically based movie that was 100% true to Scripture.

        I have no guesses. I am not a ginormous fan of Russell Crowe, so I wouldn't go see it anyhow.

        March 29, 2014 at 4:13 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Based on the reviews, it isn't a good enough movie (independent of "Biblical accuracy to do well) without the support of the religious.

      The religious won't come because they've essentially been told it is not "Biblically accurate".

      So I'm going to guess that it might cover costs but it won't be a big hit. It will probably do OK once they start selling DVDs.

      March 29, 2014 at 4:17 pm |
  11. ausphor

    To wilburw7
    You completely misunderstood my earlier post, please, please continue to post comments, I beseech you. There is nothing like a fool to convince people that a belief in a god can be dangerous to mental health. Why do I assume you are a fool, let me show you why. On the top of page 3 you offered a list and when asked to provide a source you would not do so. The problems with the post, your total was 204 but the numbers listed were 175, a gap of 29 but when you total your stated %'s it equaled 108.7%. Did you even bother to check your ridiculous post for basic arithmetic? Do you believe everything on an apologist website without hesitation? You are not a scientist, you can't even make an honest post, my advice is not to show what a fool you are, but carry on, it does provide entertainment.

    March 29, 2014 at 2:31 pm |
  12. Peaceadvocate2014

    I know somebody who prayed all his life for a boy to carry his last name, his legacy.

    His wife gave him 4 girls. What is the moral of the story?

    March 29, 2014 at 2:15 pm |
    • Peaceadvocate2014

      Prayers are not for ones own self interest but the interest of others. Interest should be moral.

      March 29, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
      • Doris

        Hoping for a boy should not be considered immoral, should it (as long as the four girls are considered a "blessing")?

        March 29, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • ausphor

          Wasn't the CofE formed because Hendy VIII had to keep beheading the wives for the same reason? Pops trying to dictate to governments, when will they ever learn.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
        • ausphor

          make that Henry, now I have the Herman Hermits song in my head.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:37 pm |
        • ausphor

          and Popes, I need a drink.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
        • Doris

          lol

          March 29, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Precisely the point Doris, having a boy or a girl should not matter both are considered a blessing! Alleluyah!

          March 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
    • hotairace

      Simple: Open yours eyes, value what is in front of you and ditch childish myths. You are welcome!

      March 29, 2014 at 2:25 pm |
    • Akira

      He doesn't know basic biology?

      March 29, 2014 at 2:26 pm |
    • otoh2

      I know a woman who has kept her birth name after marriage. Their two daughters have her last name and their son has the father's... I'm sure it's a bit confusing at times, but I guess she's satisfied with it.

      March 29, 2014 at 2:39 pm |
    • danab1234

      Prayers a like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.

      March 29, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
    • doobzz

      Better yet, what is your point?

      March 29, 2014 at 6:15 pm |
  13. Vic

    If God has a prayer in Hollywood, that would make it Holywood.

    I believe it was originally Holywood.

    When I look at the Academy Awards event, it looks like a Church with pews.

    March 29, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Only if you consider the Crystal Cathedral a church.

      March 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
      • Vic

        The Hour of Power Ministries moved out of the Crystal Cathedral last year, which the iconic landmark was sold to a Catholic Diocese in 2011, due to financial troubles.

        And yes, I believe it is a Church.

        March 29, 2014 at 1:53 pm |
        • midwest rail

          Then it is easy to see why you view the Academy Awards in the same vein. All political theatre.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:55 pm |
    • Akira

      IIRC, it was originally called Hollywoodland. I know the famous sign originally said Hollywoodland.

      March 29, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
      • Vic

        That is it, thanks.

        March 29, 2014 at 1:43 pm |
    • otoh2

      Vic,
      "I believe it was originally Holywood."

      Nope.

      "1888 – A bucolic hillside area populated by citrus farmers is given the name "Hollywood" by Harvey Henderson Wilcox and his wife, Daeida, as part of a residential development. It is Daeida who selects the name after she meets a lady on a train whose summer home is called Hollywood." - http://www.beachwoodcanyon.org/HISTORY.htm

      (and yes, the famous hillside sign did say "Hollywoodland" for a while)

      March 29, 2014 at 1:46 pm |
      • Vic

        I see, I was thinking about the sign, though.

        March 29, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
    • ausphor

      Vic
      People sitting at tables and booths are more like a Vegas showroom depends upon the venue.

      March 29, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
  14. observer

    No doubt there were MILLIONS of prayers around the world for the safety of the passengers on the Malaysian plane.

    March 29, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      Sadly, you're probably right. If ever that plane is found I think I'll give credit to the men and women who did the work and I'll empathize with the families in their loss.

      March 29, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
      • observer

        Yes. Incredible efforts being put in. The second biggest shock is the total lack of satellite help from the US. Would've figured we'd be leading the way instead of being nearly invisible.

        March 29, 2014 at 12:19 pm |
      • CS

        It is hard to accept the heartache and grieving that those with such catastrophic losses must endure. The mud slide is another miserable, horrible example. If I believed in god I would be very confused by these events.

        March 29, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
        • hotairace

          All tragedies sadden me but I fail to understand why many listen to the alleged but never proven word of some alleged but never proven god but ignore warnings by the USGS.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:35 pm |
    • Peaceadvocate2014

      Times like this is always hard to explain to the affected families. Our faith would be tested and how we react is first and foremost.

      March 29, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
      • CS

        "Times like this is always hard to explain to the affected families. Our faith would be tested and how we react is first and foremost"

        Your faith would be tested because it is nonsense. These people deserve better than "faith" and they will react to the tragedy as humans evolved to absorb pain and grief.

        March 29, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Cs,

          Humans evolution is not to absorb pain and grief but to eliminate it. The answer would not happen overnight or by sacrificies by others but through generations and by all.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:02 pm |
    • wilburw7

      You seem to have the roles reversed. Prayers are not commands. They are humble requests from people that do not deserve anything.

      March 29, 2014 at 1:36 pm |
      • observer

        wilburw7

        "They are humble requests from people that do not deserve anything." - the Christian view of empathy, love, and the Golden Rule

        March 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm |
    • Doris

      If there is a spirit world, the God of Abraham is either unaware or not concerned, or intentionally wants to make people suffer waiting for news about the plane. But if there is a spirit world, then maybe in an other way Hollywood can help. Just in case, the folks over there at Ghost Hunters ought to get crackin' and start channeling Herve Villechaize.

      March 29, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
  15. CS

    Is the Pope in Hollywood? Why this article? No Pope!! Unacceptable. Unless, maybe the Pope is in town to see "The Book of Mormon" ? Good luck parking.

    March 29, 2014 at 11:50 am |
    • CS

      P.S. If you haven't seen "The Book of Mormon" you have GOT to see it. Hilarious.

      "Dazzling" ~ Pope Franny

      March 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
  16. CS

    Summary:

    I prayed to god for cheap and plentiful parking. Nothing.
    I prayed to god for good food. Nothing
    I prayed to god for easy egress from the parking lot. Nothing.

    Proof that god does not answer prayers.

    March 29, 2014 at 11:20 am |
    • wilburw7

      Maybe the answer was no.

      March 29, 2014 at 11:32 am |
      • CS

        The nerve!!

        March 29, 2014 at 11:34 am |
      • otoh2

        wilbur,

        Identical results occur from wishing upon a star... ("IF your heart is in your dreams" - it is written).

        March 29, 2014 at 11:34 am |
      • ausphor

        Wilbur
        You are still here after been thoroughly trashed about the garbage you posted on the last page.

        March 29, 2014 at 11:38 am |
        • wilburw7

          I didn't realize disagreeing with you took away my first amendment rights. You must think of yourself as some kind of god or king or something.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
        • observer

          wilburw7,

          You obviously don't have a CLUE what the First Amendment says.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • Akira

          Theirs were not taken away from them, either. Just hyena Fox causing the great divide.

          What field of study are you a scientist in, Wilbur?

          March 29, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • otoh2

          wilbur,

          It's not about your *right* to post; it has to do with your temerity and bone-headedness.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
        • CS

          Wilbur, who told you that you can't post? ausphor made the point that you shouldn't post, but no one is taking away your rights.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:04 pm |
        • wilburw7

          CS wrote "Wilbur, who told you that you can't post? ausphor made the point that you shouldn't post, but no one is taking away your rights."

          But it is likely no one else will tell you that you are headed straight for hell. You need to do a 180 degree turn to avoid it. .

          March 29, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
        • midwest rail

          Will lying about the 1st Amendment endanger you ?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
        • otoh2

          I encourage wilbur to continue writing here. It saves a lot of accusations of making up strawmen when this hay right from the horse's mouth is up front and center.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
        • ausphor

          Wilbur
          No, please continue posting, thank you, see my post above, you are hilarious.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
        • Doris

          Wilburrr: [avoiding the fire] "You need to do a 180 degree turn to avoid it. "

          Wilbur, if you hooked up in a rotisserie, eventually you will burn up regardless of the number or amount of turns.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • Doris

          correction: if you're hooked up....

          March 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
      • hotairace

        Hey Willie, do you know of even just one case where it has been proven your alleged but never proven god has said yes?

        March 29, 2014 at 11:40 am |
        • wilburw7

          Yes. When Joshua prayed for the sun to stand still in the sky the Chinese recorded the sun did not set.

          “Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
          And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
          13 So the sun stood still,
          And the moon stopped,
          Till the people had revenge
          Upon their enemies.

          In the Chinese history it is reported, that in the time of their seventh emperor, Yao, the sun did not set. That is during the same time frame. Yao and Joshua were alive at the same time.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • hotairace

          ok, I will research that. But surely you have better evidence than "it was reported" and "in the same timeframe" (not exact quotes, I acknowledge)?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:01 pm |
        • wilburw7

          hotairace wrote:"ok, I will research that. But surely you have better evidence than "it was reported" and "in the same timeframe" (not exact quotes, I acknowledge)?"

          To answer your question: No I do not own a time machine so we can verify that history has been recorded accurately. Your comment is unintelligent.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
        • observer

          wilburw7,

          So maybe that was the source for the biblical NONSENSE. Know anything about the laws of physics and mathematics?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
        • Akira

          Emperor Yao

          Born 2324 BC
          Died 2206 BC (aged 118)

          Wiki had nothing on the earth standing still....but interestingly, China has a Great Flood story also, lasting a few generations.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • Akira

          "To answer your question: No I do not own a time machine so we can verify that history has been recorded accurately. Your comment is unintelligent."

          Yet you are the one offering this as proof?
          And you call HHA's comment unintelligent?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:23 pm |
        • wilburw7

          Akira, You think there is scientific proof that a fish and a human had a common ancestor, huh?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
        • observer

          wilburw7,

          That makes more sense than unicorns, dragons, and talking animals.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • hotairace

          Not surprisingly, I was not able to find anything even remotely supporting the story of Joshua's Long Day. Well, that's not exactly true. There are a number of believer sites that attempt to provide proof but they tend to end with something like "can't explain it, must have been a miracle, god can do anything."

          I do applaud you for going for the "home run" of prayers despite your spectacular failure to provide actual evidence of a prayer being answered. I expected something more like "a friend of a friend had incurable cancer but a bunch of us got together and did, with the help of some alleged but never proven god, what no heathen doctors could not."

          But perhaps you have a more realistic prayer you'd like us to consider?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • Akira

          "Akira, You think there is scientific proof that a fish and a human had a common ancestor, huh"

          Non sequitur. Or, should I say red herring?

          What is your field of study as a scientist, Wilbur? I’m beginning to think you told a falsehood because you don’t answer. That can’t be…

          March 29, 2014 at 1:45 pm |
        • hotairace

          Looks like Willie has gone soft again. . .

          March 29, 2014 at 2:50 pm |
      • hotairace

        Looks like Willie has gotten soft again ...

        March 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
      • hotairace

        It appears that Willie, nor any of his fellow believer cult members, can provide a single example of a prayer actually being answered positively. Silly me, I expected to be inundated with zillions of proven examples!

        March 29, 2014 at 12:58 pm |
        • wilburw7

          Two minutes before you wrote that comment, I gave an example. You are wrong.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
        • Akira

          It is an example that you admitted below you couldn't prove...

          What is your field of study as a scientist, Wilbur? I'm beginning to think you told a falsehood because you don't answer. That can't be...

          March 29, 2014 at 1:32 pm |
        • hotairace

          Yup! Wrong on timing but not substance.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:08 pm |
    • ausphor

      CS
      Nice to see you back, it was a rather short inquisition, thank the..... Any plays in the works?

      March 29, 2014 at 11:34 am |
      • CS

        Thank you ausphor. No, not right now. My daughter has a callback today so all my attention is on her right now. She is up for the lead with four other girls. What have you been up to?

        March 29, 2014 at 11:39 am |
        • ausphor

          CS
          Not much other than losing my children's inheritance on March Madness, can't even pick my nose this year.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:43 am |
        • CS

          I was pulling for Wichita State (I am a former Kansan) but when they got knocked off I lost interest.....

          March 29, 2014 at 11:46 am |
        • ausphor

          CS
          Dropped a few shekels on Wichita State myself, great season, hope to get bailed out by the Gators even though I don't really like the team.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:52 am |
        • CS

          I will pray for you.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:56 am |
        • ausphor

          Oh dear, I didn't mean to convert you, LOL.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:57 am |
        • hotairace

          Ummm... You guys aren't talking hockey are you? Heathens! You're going straight to hell!! One of the reasons I'm an atheist is 'cause no god, not one of the zillions, answered my prayers for The Leafs. I knew I was on someone's sh!t list when they acquired Phaneuf.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:58 am |
        • CS

          God frowns on the violence of hockey, that's why.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:01 pm |
        • ausphor

          hotairace
          Round ball, you should have got Wiggins on skates instead of the hardwood. Leafs are just performing to their nature watch the Raptors instead, they are in the playoffs as of last night. Being dragged off to the mall, later.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
        • observer

          CS

          "Killing children is ok if you are on god's side"

          Yes. One Christian on here says it was okay to sell 6-year-old daughters to strangers to be used for slaves and another Christian says it was okay for women to be prizes of war. All from the God who loves people.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:30 pm |
    • Peaceadvocate2014

      Cs,

      God does not grant all prayers. The prayers reason is important. Example, i cant ask God for a million bucks just to make me feel better. If i asked for a million bucks to help the less fortunate than God may consider. Consideration would be on the prayers purpose and need.

      March 29, 2014 at 11:56 am |
      • CS

        Does god consider dying children important? 200,000 a year with another 1/2 million grieving parents who prayed and prayed but received nothing. Not important enough? What IS important enough?

        March 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Cs,

          Why stop at dying children? Why not examine dying of all? We could examine each death and determine why the death occcured. Why not stop all killings, hate, lying, stealing, etc. Are you suggesting god is responsible? Have you considered humans are responsible?it is not about the power of God but humans ability to be moral.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:06 pm |
        • CS

          I think either you did not read my comment or you are responding to someone else. Moral? What is less moral than a god that kills children in horrible and unthinkable ways every day for 250,000 years? God bless.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:10 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Dont think too hard to make a point. Its easy went you are in the side of right.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
        • CS

          Peaceadvocate2014

          "Dont think too hard to make a point. Its easy went you are in the side of right."

          How to spot a Christian:

          1. "Don't think too hard to make a point"
          2. "Killing children is ok if you are on god's side"

          March 29, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Cs,

          You clearly missed my point. Humans did the killings not God. Blaming others is convinient.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
        • hotairace

          Just another example of "If I agree with or like something, some alleged but never proven god did it, but otherwise it's the fault of sinful man." Standard religious bullsh!t.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:17 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Cs,

          Did you see God do it? Videos? Recordings? I have testimonies humans did it.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:18 pm |
        • CS

          Peaceadvocate2014, who said anything about humans doing the killing? God made man, man kills, god's fault. God made disease, disease kills. god's fault. God made natural disasters, disasters kill, god's fault. God clearly loves no one.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:20 pm |
        • CS

          "Did you see God do it? Videos? Recordings? I have testimonies humans did it."

          I would, but god conveniently never bothers to show up for anything. I wouldn't either if I were that big of a douche.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:22 pm |
        • Akira

          Peace, do you not know the subject of the article you're posting on? Noah. The Flood.

          Are you suggesting God is somehow not the one who made it rain?

          March 29, 2014 at 12:52 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Akira,

          Noah was instructed to built an ark and warn others of the coming floods. Warned. People mocked noah. Should noah gather all people by the neck and escort them in the ark? Who is to blame?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • otoh2

          PA,
          "Should noah gather all people by the neck and escort them in the ark?"

          In the story old Noah gathered his own family that way (too bad he didn't know that he'd be casting an perpetual 'curse' upon some of them anon) - so, yes, he could have done a better job of it.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:15 pm |
        • observer

          Peaceadvocate2014

          "Who is to blame?"

          Obvously the God who torturously drowned EVERY pregnant woman, child, baby, fetus and embryo on the face of the earth.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
        • Akira

          Peace, I asked if you were suggesting that it was not God that made it rain.

          Your answer is akin to the man who blames his wife for making him beat her....I asked a simple question. Are you suggesting it wasn't God who made it rain?

          March 29, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Otoh,

          Noah could have done a better job? Or God? Built a bgger ark, with air conditioning ?

          This is our problem. They are always wrong, we want better service. Like a spoiled brat. Me. Me . Me.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • observer

          Peaceadvocate2014,

          The entire story is so ludicrous that saying Noah could have done better doesn't matter at all.

          How much room did each of the THOUSANDS to MILLIONS of animals have? What a joke. Let's get serious.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Akira,

          I do not know if God made it rain. All i know is there is a story of a man called noah who was said to be instructed by god to built an ark to save themselves from a flood. He warned people of the upcoming flood but was mocked.

          Could it be global warming? Therefore Gods warning.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Observe,

          Instead of saying noah or god should have done better. Humans should have done a better job believing in God. Faith.

          Could the flood happened in the vicinity of the ark? It is not global? Why are there still chinese, indians, other races. Is it the physical evolution? Only applies to early believers? Too many theories. I am not god i do not know. What i know now is i believe in god.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm |
        • observer

          Peaceadvocate2014

          "Humans should have done a better job believing in God. " Tell that to all the children, babies, fetuses and embryos that were drowned.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:50 pm |
      • doobzz

        "God does not grant all prayers."

        You spelled "any" wrong.

        March 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
        • CS

          LOL

          March 29, 2014 at 12:11 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          It means God is selective on prayers to be granted.

          March 29, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • doobzz

          Yeah, that's what I meant too, lol.

          March 29, 2014 at 5:58 pm |
        • hotairace

          There is no evidence to indicate god is selective but then there is no actual evidence for any god so why fuss over what some unproven god might do? Such speculation is no different than hacking over the most arcane rules of the world's oldest fantasy role playing game, with heavy emphasis on fantasy. Time to grow up and shed infantile mythology.

          March 29, 2014 at 3:07 pm |
      • Peaceadvocate2014

        Dont forget the sincerity of the prayer counts.

        March 29, 2014 at 12:00 pm |
        • otoh2

          "If your heart is in your dream
          No request is too extreme
          When you wish upon a star
          As dreamers do"

          It is written.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:07 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "What happens when the same number of people pray for something as pray against it? How does God decide whose prayer to answer? Does the total number of people praying for or against something matter? How about the righteousness of the supplicants? Are positive prayers answered more frequently than negative ones? Does God take the positive ones and Satan the negative? Does the intensity of the praying have any effect on the outcome? Does the length of time one devotes to praying have any effect on the frequency with which one's prayers are answered? Do the words and phrases used in the prayer - either positive or negative - have any bearing on the success rate? Does the nature of the thing or things prayed for have any bearing on the prayer's success rate - either positive or negative prayers? Why or why not??" Robert A. Baker, "Prayer Wars" Skeptical Briefs

          March 29, 2014 at 12:18 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Blessed,

          Prayers favorable consideration is not a democracy. What if everybody prays for a million bucks? Does not mean the prayer has merit for Gods consideration.

          Prayers or wishes by the grantee is granted by the grantor provided there is sincerity has a moral need and purpose. To act on a prayer is your sincerity.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:28 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Prayers or wishes by the grantee is granted by the grantor provided there is sincerity has a moral need and purpose."

          If there is a moral need why does it require a prayer? Can't god see the need and act on it? Many people pray sincerely and have a moral basis for their prayer and it is rejected. Does that prove your assertions about prayer false?

          March 29, 2014 at 12:40 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          That is the whole concept of prayers. Moral, acting to show sincerity. For me prayers are not simply kneeling and asking for something from God.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          To touch on if the prayers were rejected even if the prayer is sincere and moral.

          I prayed everyday for peace and still we have wars. I honestly dont know why. It may be granted not in my lifetime.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
        • doobzz

          " What if everybody prays for a million bucks? "

          You are pretty hung up on people praying for money. People pray for other things too, like world peace and the end to hunger and disease. You don't seem to have such an easy answer for that one.

          Didn't Jesus say " Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." as well as ""Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?"?

          Yet when prayers for an end to hunger, disease and poverty are offered, your god ignores them in favor of giving the Seattle Seahawks a Super Bowl win.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:04 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Doo,

          Prayers moral and magnitude should also be considered. Right?

          Seahawks prayers is somewhat on a national level and result is a form of entertainment. Peace or hunger is a global level and result is moral.

          I prayed for peace everyday and we still have wars. It may take a while because the evil perpetrators of war is more powerful than the the Broncos.

          March 29, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • doobzz

          "Prayers moral and magnitude should also be considered. Right?"

          I agree. Apparently your god doesn't. It

          March 29, 2014 at 6:03 pm |
      • doobzz

        "Example, i cant ask God for a million bucks just to make me feel better. If i asked for a million bucks to help the less fortunate than God may consider. Consideration would be on the prayers purpose and need."

        So god answers prayer when your sports team wins, but can't help all those dying children in Africa?

        March 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          Africa to sports team, you are overreaching.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:08 pm |
        • doobzz

          How so? Christians claim that god helped them score the winning point all the time, but their prayers for enough food and water for poor children don't seem to be getting through.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
        • Peaceadvocate2014

          It happens when you lack arguement. You present a new arguement. We can discuss that too.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
        • doobzz

          How do I lack argument? You are the one stating that your god answers all prayers, then you are adding conditions to that statement.

          "All" prayers includes those for dying children and sports teams. Since you claim to know how your god triages all the billions of prayers it receives, you should be able to explain why it likes sports more than humans.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
        • doobzz

          That should read "does not answer all prayers".

          March 29, 2014 at 12:39 pm |
      • danab1234

        he "answers" half. it's the same chance as using a rabbit's foot, four-leaf clover, or magic 8 ball.

        March 29, 2014 at 6:06 pm |
  17. CS

    I am praying for a prayer for Hollywood to improve the food at that brewery/restaurant next to the Pantages. It sucks but the place is so handy.

    March 29, 2014 at 11:02 am |
    • bostontola

      Pray for a parking spot.

      March 29, 2014 at 11:05 am |
      • CS

        ....that is less than $20

        March 29, 2014 at 11:06 am |
        • bostontola

          That would be like praying for a human dismembered limb to regenerate.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:07 am |
        • CS

          Which leads us to the fact the gods don't answer prayers. The proof is parking on Sunset.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:16 am |
      • CS

        For the record I always park in the lot right behind Capital Records or right across the street.

        March 29, 2014 at 11:18 am |
        • CS

          Then I pray I can get out later.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:18 am |
  18. bostontola

    Does God have a prayer in Hollywood?

    Which God?

    March 29, 2014 at 10:53 am |
    • CS

      Martin Scorsese

      March 29, 2014 at 10:59 am |
      • bostontola

        That one doesn't need a prayer.

        March 29, 2014 at 11:02 am |
  19. Holmes

    What is one prayer that Hollywood can pray for?

    March 29, 2014 at 10:37 am |
    • Holmes

      Dear Lord,

      Please lead us to the TRUTH.

      Amen.

      March 29, 2014 at 10:38 am |
      • Holmes

        The question and answer is:

        Does God have an answer to the prayer in Hollywood?

        Yes, earnestly sought prayers will have answers.

        March 29, 2014 at 10:41 am |
        • Holmes

          God has an answer to all prayers even for those prayers out of Hollywood!

          March 29, 2014 at 10:44 am |
        • CS

          Something earnest in Hollywood. LOL

          March 29, 2014 at 10:56 am |
    • CS

      I have no idea what you are trying to say, but it is hilarious.

      March 29, 2014 at 10:51 am |
      • otoh2

        @Holmes is talking to, and answering, himself. Just like prayer.

        March 29, 2014 at 10:53 am |
      • CS

        Dear Holmes, how does one pray for a prayer? Amen.

        March 29, 2014 at 10:55 am |
    • CS

      Hollywood can pray for a prayer that will be a prayer about praying.

      March 29, 2014 at 10:57 am |
  20. saggyroy

    "Before he even saw the movie, Beck, who is Mormon, called “Noah” a “slap in the face” to religious people. “It’s dangerous disinformation,” he told his 10 million radio listeners.

    Dangerous disinformation? For mythology? Really?

    March 29, 2014 at 8:46 am |
    • observer

      Isn't "Dangerous Disinformation" the name of Beck's show?

      March 29, 2014 at 8:50 am |
    • alphabatt1

      The movie is actually a slap in the face to those of the " Reality Based Initiative".

      March 29, 2014 at 10:21 am |
    • hotairace

      Beck got this one right. It is dangerous disinformation because it might lead someone to believe gods actually exist, when in fact there is zero actual evidence to support that.

      March 29, 2014 at 10:45 am |
    • bostontola

      Beck, who is a Mormon minus the second m.

      March 29, 2014 at 10:54 am |
      • hotairace

        Hey! That might be hateful. Even if true.

        March 29, 2014 at 11:07 am |
        • bostontola

          It ain't bragging if it's true, and it ain't hating if it's true. I'm with you, the whole whining game that atheists are hating is tiresome. The religious penchant of some for oversimplification is amusing.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:11 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          My 19 year old was sucked in by the Cult of Moron's...she thinks I hate her god when I call it that...it's humorous coming from a kid raised by a practicing pagan father and a christian now atheist mother.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:44 am |
        • hotairace

          My youngest son is dating a mormon but all indications are she doesn't take her parents' silliness seriously.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:48 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          That's how my daughter got sucked in. The guy is an ass to say the least.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:50 am |
        • hotairace

          This girl is very nice and appears to value a "close intimate relationship" (wink, wink) over whatever crap they teach. She did get my son to attend a cult meeting once but that had zero effect.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:54 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Ever read David Fitzgerald"s book on Mormons? I read it recently and I recommend it.

          March 29, 2014 at 11:55 am |
        • otoh2

          When Joseph Smith's "scribe", Oliver Cowdery, asked to look into the hat and saw no "revelations", this is what Ol' Joe told Oliver that "God" "said" from deep in the hat:

          ----------------------------

          Doctrine and Covenants
          Section 9
          1 Behold, I say unto you, my son, that because you did not translate according to that which you desired of me, and did commence again to write for my servant, Joseph Smith, Jun., even so I would that ye should continue until you have finished this record, which I have entrusted unto him.
          2 And then, behold, other records have I, that I will give unto you power that you may assist to translate.
          3 Be patient, my son, for it is wisdom in me, and it is not expedient that you should translate at this present time.
          4 Behold, the work which you are called to do is to write for my servant Joseph.
          5 And, behold, it is because that you did not continue as you commenced, when you began to translate, that I have taken away this privilege from you.
          6 Do not murmur, my son, for it is wisdom in me that I have dealt with you after this manner.
          7 Behold, you have not understood; you have supposed that I would give it unto you, when you took no thought save it was to ask me.
          8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must cask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.
          9 But if it be not right you shall have no such feelings, but you shall have a stupor of thought that shall cause you to forget the thing which is wrong; therefore, you cannot write that which is sacred save it be given you from me.
          10 Now, if you had known this you could have translated; nevertheless, it is not expedient that you should translate now.
          11 Behold, it was expedient when you commenced; but you afeared, and the time is past, and it is not expedient now;
          12 For, do you not behold that I have given unto my servant Joseph sufficient strength, whereby it is made up? And neither of you have I condemned.
          13 Do this thing which I have commanded you, and you shall prosper. Be faithful, and yield to no temptation.
          14 Stand fast in the work wherewith I have called you, and a hair of your head shall not be lost, and you shall be lifted up at the last day. Amen."

          -----------------------------------
          If you don't think that this is a giant blob of bull pucky, you don't know what is...

          March 29, 2014 at 12:03 pm |
        • hotairace

          Will check it out. Might be fun to have a copy on the coffee table next time the parents visit, not that that happens very often.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:05 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          It is a very interesting read that fills in a lot of gaps. Anyone who has to deal with Mormons should read it. And it cited well.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:14 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          *is* cited well.

          March 29, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
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