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April 23rd, 2014
08:13 PM ET

Does 9/11 museum slander Muslims?

(CNN) – Interfaith leaders object to a film slated to be part of an exhibit in the National September 11 Memorial Museum.

"The Rise of Al Qaeda," narrated by NBC's Brian Williams, is supposed to provide a brief history of the terrorist group.

The opening lines:

“This program describes the emergence of the terrorist organization that carried out the 9/11 attacks. It concentrates on a period of roughly 15 years, beginning with al-Qaeda’s founding during the Soviet-Afghan War and concluding with its rationale and planning for the attacks of 2001. The program tracks al-Qaeda’s embrace of violence and the decision of its leadership to commit mass murder, at the dawn of the 21st century.”

But faith leaders say the film does not draw a sharp enough distinction between al Qaeda and Muslims in general.

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- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Reality

    Interfaith leaders? Does that include atheists?

    Probably not as an atheist leader would call Islam to task for being the terror religion that it is. And the idiocy of it all is that said religion is based on the hallucinations of one illiterate Arab !!! Imams should be prosecuted for continuing this con of horror!!!

    April 24, 2014 at 6:09 pm |
  2. Vic

    ♰♰♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰♰♰

    April 24, 2014 at 2:00 pm |
    • Vic

      This is the intended link:

      April 24, 2014 at 2:03 pm |
    • Vic

      Regarding the first link, I trust in the Lord it happened for me rephrase the original quote into this:

      When fascism comes to America, it will be countered with a flag carrying a Cross"

      April 24, 2014 at 2:12 pm |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        Paraphrase it all you want. It's actually stealing the quote, but hey, that's okay. Y'all stole the Hebrew Bible, and then have the nerve to tell the Jews they're not good enough believers.

        April 24, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
        • Vic

          I was viewing multiple pictures at the same time, and I accidentally picked the wrong one in haste to post. When I noticed the error, I was completely worked up over it, and I was instantly inspired to rephrase the original quote and not paraphrase nor steal.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:52 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Rationalize it as you like. Still stealing.

          April 24, 2014 at 3:01 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Or, I'll put it this way: you "sampled" it. Because Sinclair's quote is more truthful than your "sample".

          April 24, 2014 at 3:03 pm |
        • Vic

          I posted the original quote by accident and then refuted it, how is that stealing?!

          Meanwhile, what you just said would be lying on your part!

          April 24, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
        • Vic

          For those who didn't notice, the original quote is totally on the picture, with proper credit, I posted by accident.

          April 24, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Aw. So it's fine to take someone else's work and totally change the meaning by "paraphrasing"?

          Okay.
          And Sinclair's quote would be more truthful. Look what your beloved religious right wants to do to the rights of people in this country. Sinclair was spot on.
          You cloak injustice with piety. Get real.

          Incidentally, you need to look up what "lying" means.

          For those that didn't notice, Vic took a quote he didn't like, and "paraphrased" it to fit with his ideology. Changing the meaning of the whole quote completely.

          Hey! Let's have some fun with the Bible and do the same thing! Won't that be fun?

          April 24, 2014 at 4:33 pm |
      • midwest rail

        " I posted the original quote by accident and then refuted it, "
        I believe you should look up th definition of "refute".

        April 25, 2014 at 5:27 am |
    • Vic

      Regarding the first link, I trust in the Lord it happened for me to ephrase the original quote into this:

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be countered with a flag carrying a Cross"

      April 24, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        The original quote is :
        "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

        – Sinclair Lewis

        April 24, 2014 at 2:20 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Exactly. A typical Christian tactic is to rewrite history.

          I am so shocked that Vic would engage in a deliberate lie. Not.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
        • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

          @Doc,

          it's a misquote.

          wikiquote:

          Harrison Evans Salisbury in 1971 remarked about Lewis: "Sinclair Lewis aptly predicted in It Can't Happen Here that if fascism came to America it would come wrapped in the flag and whistling 'The Star Spangled Banner.'"

          April 24, 2014 at 9:04 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Vic,

      noting that you chose the wrong picture (which I do find amusing) let me note that the quote is actually incorrect.

      It's a great pithy phrase and rings very true (think Tea Party), but it was not said by Sinclair Lewis.

      Look at the bottom of the page from the following link for "misattributed quotes"

      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis

      April 24, 2014 at 9:01 pm |
      • Vic

        Thanks for the reference.

        I indicated earlier that I picked the picture in a haste, since it included that opposing quote. I intended to show picture of the American Flag with a Cross shining through. I was viewing multiple pictures of the same scene at the time.

        Since I accidentally posted an opposing quote, I felt inspired to refute it by rephrasing it to mean the opposite of it.

        April 24, 2014 at 9:24 pm |
  3. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    When we talk about this issue we have to distinguish between Stone Age-Islam and modern Islam (of course, it yet challenges the validity of a religion when its moral code depends on the the time).

    Today all old religions are influenced by the American or Anglo-Saxon civil religion which has dampened the bigotry of the old religions whereby the Islamic beast is very tough. Yet Frederic the Great, King of Pruzzia, said that it is nearly impossible to change the habits of the peoples under Islamic rule. Today we see that Frederic was right (I don't claim that all Muslims are extremists, but seemingly there is high inclination).

    What actually is worse: American civil religion or Islam?

    Rather American civil religion because it includes more hypocrisy.

    The faithful followers of Muhammad killed their victims publically. The Capitalist system kills people slowly and furtively, and makes us very unhappy.

    Maybe Al Qaeda realized the depravity of the Western system, but it was or is not right how they fight it (us).

    Maybe yet Muhammad was horrified about the materialism (this is a hypothesis of mine) of the Eastern Roman Empire which was actually a very Christian state (there Christianity was legalized large-scale). Yet, seemingly, they neglected the holy gift, sacramental baptism as we do today. They did not overcome their selfish nature through the releasing power of Jesus' sacrifice. Muhammad concluded (wrongly) that Christianity would be false in itself, and that it would be the distortion of the old genuine religion of Abraham (Islam in Muhammad's eyes). Yet, the problem was not that Christianity was false, but the disobedience of the Christians of the East of the Eastern Roman Empire.

    How to encounter capitalism?

    Certainly it will be of no benefit, if we crash into high buildings. What is the benefit of killing innocent people? Someone who assumes that the killing of innocent people would please God, must be obsessed by demons or Satan himself. So, perfect Islam is Satanism.

    What would a faithful Christian do against capitalism in contrast to a faithful Muslim?

    We must pray for a new power elite whose God is not the Mammon (idol of materialism) but Jesus Christ. If these pious people yet exist, they will certainly know how to seize rule in a legal way. Constantine the Great was such a man. He destroyed the anti-Christian leaders of the Roman Empire, and founded the Christian Eastern Roman Empire. We certainly need a new Constantine.

    Today ordinary Muslims should be seen as victims of the False Prophet (Muhammad) and evil Imams (also false prophets). We should love them unbiasedly, and when there is opportunity we should tell them that they can get saved through Jesus Christ, if they repent, believe in Jesus, and get sacramentally baptized, and decline Islam. It is very important that they realize that Jesus is the incarnate Son of God who has borne our sinful flesh when he died for us on the cross.

    Conclusion: Modern Islam is only a tamed beast, but it can become a wild beast again every moment. Nobody can really tame a lion. When extremists crash into buildings Islam shows its true colors – it is just the most fanatic religion which was ever established.

    Get the real thing!

    April 24, 2014 at 1:28 pm |
    • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

      You posted this lie down the sane page, you lying twit.
      Islam is now as Christianity was 700 years ago. YOUR RELIGION DID THIS SANE CRAP.

      Conclusion: lying for Jesus won't get you into Heaven.

      April 24, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
  4. hearthetruthonline2014

    http://www.Hear-The-Truth.com

    http://HearTheTruth.imgur.com

    April 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
    • igaftr

      No truth on your site. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

      April 24, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Not just crazy, but racist too!

      "Look what happened during WWII, 6 million white people pretended they were Jewish people and God’s people and look what happened to them."

      April 24, 2014 at 1:31 pm |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        It didn't really say that, did it?

        Holy crap.

        April 24, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
  5. His Panic

    People who get involve in anarchy, brawls, rebellions and riots do it because they do not Trust in God and in Jesus Christ God's Only Son. Anxiety, Fear and Hysteria can lead to Panic, then Panic can lead to stampedes and riots. Animals do Panic and go into stampedes, so do people.

    However those who Trust in God and in Jesus Christ God's Only Son WILL NOT Panic Muslims, Catholics, Protestants etc. may claim as they do, to trust in God, but if they do not Trust also in Jesus Christ God's Only Son they will still Panic. If they Panic, and they WILL Panic they will get into Anarchy, brawls, rebellions, riots and stampedes just like animals when they Panic. You Must Trust in God AND in Jesus Christ God's Only Son, otherwise you WILL Panic eventually at some point in time.

    April 24, 2014 at 12:40 pm |
    • yeahright14

      So how do you explain the crusades and inquisitions, when the jesus beleivers were panicking and killing people becuase they were freaking out about other religions?

      Nice try, but you're full of bs.

      April 24, 2014 at 1:38 pm |
      • transframer

        So, what do you know about crusades and inquisition?

        April 24, 2014 at 2:29 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          In regards to the Spanish Inquisition, prominent and reliable historians have presented convincing arguments that amongst their weaponry were such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms.

          One on't cross beams gone owt askew on treadle.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm |
        • igaftr

          Doc
          I personally witnessed the Spanish Inquisition using soft cushions ( with the stuffing all on one end) and comfy chairs. Oh, they are a brutal lot.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
  6. thefinisher1

    Atheist leaders killed millions of their own people or worse, they would rather have power than feed their own people! When atheism got power, millions died as a result. Churches were burned, thousands of religious people were killed. Atheists tend to ignore the dark and muderous past of atheism because it destroys their fantasy. Which system is worse? All atheists do is shout how wrong every religion is but their own. Atheists hate all religions, so, what's gonna stop them from murdering billions who aren't atheists once some nut case obsessed atheist has power? Atheism is the most evilest and murderous system alive.

    April 24, 2014 at 12:31 pm |
    • MidwestKen

      Please don't feed the trolls!

      April 24, 2014 at 12:49 pm |
      • thefinisher1

        Dawwwww. Thank you! You do more harm to your own atheism than I ever could! Thanks so much!

        April 24, 2014 at 12:53 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Moron.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:56 pm |
  7. Vic

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghan-hospital-guard-kills-american-doctors-23452378

    April 24, 2014 at 11:51 am |
    • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

      Hey! It's Anabaptist Vic! Read your article...that's horrible. I'd stay out of countries that the US is engaging in war with, if I were you. Otherwise, really, your point is.....?

      Condolences to the families. Your loved ones were trying to do the right thing in the wrong place.

      April 24, 2014 at 12:54 pm |
    • Vic

      I am a born again Christian Protestant, mainline.

      Cure International Hospital is affiliated with the Christian charity Cure International.

      April 24, 2014 at 1:33 pm |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        I know that. Rainier was the one who called you Anabaptist.

        We are still at war with Afghanistan. It doesn't matter if the hospital/people are Christian. The Afghan soldiers see an enemy.
        I'm sorry they're dead, but they knew the risks.

        April 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm |
  8. Alias

    Do any of you have any grasp of history?
    This was just another example of using religion to justify an attack against us.
    Our foreign policy was the reason they attacked. Islam was a toll just like christianity has been used for the past 1,000 years.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:57 am |
    • igaftr

      "Our foreign policy was the reason they attacked."
      And you know this because...? Did you speak to the murderers before they attacked?

      April 24, 2014 at 12:25 pm |
      • Alias

        Yes.
        I spoke to each and every one of them. In a brothel.
        They attacked a symbol of America instead of the Vatican because they were mad at the USA, not our dominant religion.
        They all thought our country, not our religion, was oppressing them.

        April 24, 2014 at 12:38 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Before he became fish food, Bin Laden said:
        "Oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance."
        He often hearkened back to the Isreali/American campaign in Lebanon in the early eighties, stating "as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children."

        They were targeting America, not Christianity.

        April 24, 2014 at 1:37 pm |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    All religions are equally foolish. Once you take away a man's common sense and reason and have him believing in fairy tales, there is no limit to what unbalanced leaders of the religion can make him do.

    religion is the cancer of the human race.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:43 am |
    • truthfollower01

      Do you think atheism gives hope for the world?

      April 24, 2014 at 11:43 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Hope for the world can stem from a Naturalist and/or Humanist outlook.
        Atheism is a negative statement that describes only what one does NOT believe.

        April 24, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • truthfollower01

          What hope does naturalism or humanism provide?

          April 24, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Look up the meaning of the terms. You seen unclear on a lot.

          April 24, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          @ministry
          To whom is your post directed?

          April 24, 2014 at 3:11 pm |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        Christianity is only interested in the afterlife. Get real.

        April 24, 2014 at 11:47 am |
        • truthfollower01

          You are severely incorrect.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:13 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Nice comeback.

          How am I incorrect?

          April 24, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          Christians are called upon to be witnesses in this world and to spread the Gospel message to a lost and dying people.

          April 24, 2014 at 4:55 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          tf01, With what purpose?

          April 24, 2014 at 5:20 pm |
      • igaftr

        no,but neither does theism, though atheism allows people to look at reality unhindered by baseless belief.
        Does theism do any good? Not what people do or believe beyond the existance of any gods...that is dogma, thinking you have a clue what "god" wants.

        Theism and atheism have the exact same effect on humanity. Neither in and of itself offers anything.

        You will likely try to go off on some issue of morality, but since morality is not ties together with belief,, nor any gods, I fail to see why you are so hung up on it.
        It appears that our morality evolved like all other traights evolved, and most animals and even plants have been shown to have different forms of morality.

        looks like you are trying to open that same old can of worms, but since you cannot tie morality to any gods, you continue to fail, which is sad that you keep trying, but fail every time.

        Study the other life forms on the planet if you want insight into morality. you will not find it through any god belief.

        April 24, 2014 at 11:50 am |
        • truthfollower01

          There is no real morality on atheism. It's an illusion, an invention of man. With God as the Moral Law Giver, Christians can affirm objective morality.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:16 pm |
        • igaftr

          belief follower.
          Man has always had humanity. that humanity was written into your book by men. It appears that our humanity is just one of the many things we gained through evolution. Still no sign of any gods.
          No gods are required, and you really need to look into the other life forms on the planet if yu want to ACTUALLY follow truth.

          And what do you mean by "on atheism"? That phrase makes no sense.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          Let's say a person thinks it morally good to ra-pe and decides to do so. Why are they wrong on atheism?

          April 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm |
        • In Santa We Trust

          tf, Animals understand right from wrong so morality is not endowed by religion. Do you really expect us to believe that the only thing stopping you rape and murder is that you fear god's wrath?

          April 24, 2014 at 2:31 pm |
        • igaftr

          belief follower
          Again with the "on atheism"...what does that even mean?

          Our humanity is what decides what is moral and not. Our humanity existed long before your god was written. Our HUMANITY existed and some of it was written into your book. 400 years before your christ allegedly existed, Buddha was teaching his thing, with no need of any gods. Why then fdoes your god quote from the Buddha?
          Your god was written by men, created by men.

          Our morality is evolved, as with all social animals Look to the other life forms on the planet including plants and you will find morality in many forms. you will not find it from your man made god.

          Ateheism simply does not believe in gods. We still have our humanity.

          I don't harm others because my humanity says it is wrong, not because someone said a "god" would be angry with me.

          Our humanity was written into your bible, not the other way around.

          And stop with "on athesim"...that makes no sense. Find another way to say what you are trying to say since that phrase has no meaning.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:35 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          Santa,

          How are determining what is "right" and "wrong" on atheism? What standard of "wrong" are you comparing to to determine what is "right?"

          April 24, 2014 at 2:38 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          It's time for another installment of:
          Doc Vestibule's Primer in Moral Relativism

          Effective cooperation is a learned skill and the successful religions recognize this.
          Christianity reveals this truth about ourselves most poignantly in the character of Jesus Christ. His message is one of peace, charity, modesty and forgiveness – the traits most important to develop when living in a society.

          But moral relativism is still a truism. Ethical codices existed prior to the Abrahamic religions and have evolved independently since.
          People are inherently selfish. We instinctively do that which is least painful. Children do that which is least painful to themselves. Maturity comes when we are able to put aside our own immediate comfort and do that which is least painful for the group. Were it not for our ability to reason this out and cooperate, our species would not survive. As individuals, we are prey animals – soft, squidgy, slow and bereft of in-built offensive capabilities. As a cooperative group, we have become the dominant species in nearly every eco-system on Earth.
          But it takes a mighty big stick to beat the selfishness out of us! Historically, it has been a God sized stick capable to inflicting unimaginable devastation in this life and the hereafter.

          A prime example of the reality of moral relativism is cannibalism.
          Our culture has a very strong cannibalism taboo, but it cannot be "human nature" or something "written on our hearts by God" to feel repulsed by it as virtually every branch of the human species has praticed it at some point in their development.
          The Aztecs believed in transubstantiation. They consumed their human sacrifices in the belief that the dead literally became a part of the God to whom they were given.
          Binerwurs in India ate the sick amongst them to please Kali.
          The Karankawa, an indigenous Texan tribe, ritualistically consumed their enemies to gain their strength.
          The Wari, The Kuru, Fore, Caribs, Fijians, Popayans, Serengipeans, are all fairly modern examples (within the last 500 years).
          Indeed, Christians from the 1st Crusade consumed the fallen Arabs at Maarat.

          Sociological evolution is leading us away from religion – not because Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc are negative in and of themselves, but becuase they are necessarily sectarian and divisive.

          Universally accepted ethics can never be based on the supernatural. Any proposition that relies on faith can and will be twisted by unscrupulous individuals for their own gain. Its just far too easy to manipulate those who are willing to suspend critical thinking and accept something without evidence.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:43 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Atheists have morals. Stop lying.
          You have been told this again and again, and yet you bring up this garbage. You are breaking the 9 the Commandment by lying about atheists all the time. You may have to rely on a book to tell you what common sense SHOULD tell you, but apparently you are too dim to realize that atheists don't believe in your God, AND YET HAVE ENOUGH MORALS NOT TO KILL, MAIM, STEAL, RAPE, AND LIE....

          As you keep bearing false witness against atheists, crack open that Bible again. What else are you doing? You clearly need a refresher course.

          April 24, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          Doc,

          Objective morality does not have to "universally accepted" to be correct. Because the Christian grounds morality in the nature of God, we can say that things like child sacrifice is morally evil, even if the society who carried it out thought it to be morally good. On atheism, who says child sacrifice is morally evil? Why does their opinion carry any more authority than those who carried out the sacrifice? It doesn't.
          Even though people can twist Christian doctrine to suit there evil desires, this does nothing to discredit the actual existence of objective morals.

          April 24, 2014 at 5:03 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          Ministry,

          You are misunderstanding the argument. I agree that atheists can have morals. Atheists can certainly act morally. The question is, on atheism, what is the foundation for morality?

          If a ra-pist thinks it morally good to commit ra-pe, why, on atheism, is he wrong?

          April 24, 2014 at 5:48 pm |
        • truthfollower01

          "I don’t harm others because my humanity says it is wrong"

          Let's say someone (like Hitler) thinks it morally good to harm others. On atheism, why is your view on what is moral right and Hitler's wrong? Why does your view carry more authority than Hitler's? On atheism, it doesn't. On atheism, each view is equal with regards to morality.

          April 24, 2014 at 6:41 pm |
      • rogerthat2014

        Atheists don't claim that Harry Potter or The Lord of the Rings are real and fight each other to prove it.

        April 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm |
  10. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    Islam is anti-Christian:

    Sura 4: 171

    O People of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:39 am |
    • Rynomite

      And Christianity is anti-Islam. Your point?

      April 24, 2014 at 10:11 am |
    • Apollo to Zeus

      And christianity is anti-all other religions

      Deuteronomy 17
      If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

      April 24, 2014 at 11:19 am |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        Assuming you would know of a man adoring Satan. Wouldn't you feel disgust about that? I hope you would.

        "The host of heavens" are the host of the demons (fallen angels). They are very evil beings cooperating with Satan who is their ruler.

        Thus, God expressed his disgust about the worship of demons.

        I find that is fully okay.

        Certainly when such an evildoer was ready to repent, he was not punished, but got welcome again in the holy community of Israel.

        Certainly only the persistant sinners were punished.

        Still today there are people adoring the demons. Yet, if they repent until Judgement Day, they will not get punished. However, they should consider that Judgement Day can descend on us every moment.
        God hesitates to judge for a long time, but one day his patience will have an end.

        Old Israel does no more exist. The new Israel is the Christian Church. Shall the Church stone people? No, according to the New Testament the maximum punishment which the Church can impose is exclusion from the Church.

        The general society outside the Church has to stand the worshippers of demons (they need any place of organized life until they may repent). Yet, the society should never legalize the adoration of demons. This must always be connected with obscurity. If the society legalizes the adoration of demons, it would cause God's wrath, because sinners would see no more reason to repent, and to return to the Church. Their church would be the pseudo-society.

        As we have legalized the adoration of Mammon, the demon of materialism, we should really fear God's wrath. He can educate us through wars, hunger (drought), plagues, etc.

        April 24, 2014 at 11:50 am |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Once they (Jewish leaders) brought an adulterous woman to Jesus, and asked if she should be stoned. Jesus said, that the one who would be without sin should throw the first stone. They got ashamed, and left Jesus and the woman alone. Jesus did not condemn the woman, but told her that she should go her way, AND SIN NO MORE. Jesus did that though he himself was sinless. He was extremly merciful. Our good Lord and Saviour.

          We can imply that holy Moses was as meek and humble as Jesus and aware of his own sinfulness. Thus, he certainly hesitated to judge the sinners, and gave them one more chance.

          Who of us is without sin?

          Muhammad, the jerk, was an extreme sinner, but he judged other sinners. He will spend eternity on the bottom of the hell.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:15 pm |
        • igaftr

          "Rainer, the jerk, was an extreme sinner, but he judged other sinners. He will spend eternity on the bottom of the hell."

          It is not your place to judge, at least according to your god, yet you continuously do it. For shame.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:22 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          It is a difference, if I insult a heresiarch who has already died (some say he was eaten by dogs), or If I insult somebody who is just a harmless Christian being aware of his sinfulness.

          You make a mistake.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:34 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          You'll be in hell yourself, Foolius Caesar. Think God will judge you long rants against people kindly?

          April 24, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Regarding your hatred it appears to me that you are yet an extreme Muslim.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:36 pm |
        • snuffleupagus

          Shoveling smoke, Rainey beats his drums again. I wonder if that's all he beats.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          John 8

          Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm |
        • igaftr

          raimman.
          Quoting from an unverifiable story book is pretty pointless. As far as any can tell, it is just stories from men, by men, and meant to be propagated to the people...the very definition of propaganda.

          You really need to stop judging others, as your god commands.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:37 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          I guess if a man like Muhammad would appear again, you would believe his stories.

          Your mind is so confused that you regard truth as lie and lie as truth. Fare you well!

          Muhammad was an extreme sinner, a seducer, a murderer, a womanizer, a false prophet, etc.

          If you require me to honor such a beast, you must be really confused. I prefer to judge him. It is allowed to judge the obvious heretics. Paul had said: "Anathema over Muhammad!!!"

          April 24, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          I don't hate you, idiot. I pity you.
          Your retarded persecution complex sure is in overdrive. You can sling it, but you cry when it's returned to you?

          Hey! Here's something! What do you have against the Amish? Go ahead? Vent your spleen, bigot. They won't be reading it.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:48 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Meaningless!

          April 24, 2014 at 1:00 pm |
        • igaftr

          It is clearly you who cannot tell lies from reality if you actually believe the bible is true. You have no idea if any of the supernatural claims of the bible is true.
          You are quite good at twisting the meaning of words to justify your hatred, but it cleartly indicates you are the one who is corrupting the words in the bible.

          I suggest you take a long hard look at why you allow such deep hatred to fester within you. Seek non-religious professional help.

          As far as your hatred of Islam, I see Islam as the second most corrupted religion, second only to christianity, and YOU are a prime example of how christianity can be corrupted. Your god does not wnat you judging or hating anyone, yet you have found a way to corrupt that into you vile hatred.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          You lie, a Christian is even obliged to judge heretics.

          Gal 1: 6-10 (by St. Paul)

          I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

          Muhammad did not only distort the gospel, but even denied the divine sonship of Jesus Christ completely. He was a heresiarch.

          Anathema over Muhammad – now and for ever. Amen.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:59 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Answer the question, Rainier. Do you think Gid will judge your long rants against people kindly?

          Stop deflecting the question.
          What with all your bigotry and vitriolic hatred against everyday Americans, you sound like you hold a great big grudge against the USA, similar TO the extremists...hope you don't plan to visit us very soon.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:02 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          I don't like the American capitalism. I admit that frankly. Yet, I don't hate Americans, but hope that they one day will accept the genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

          Modern USA adores the Mammon. 99.99999...% of US Christianity is certainly hopocrisy. The real US god is the Mammon. The whole world knows it.

          May all US citizens repent until Judgement Day.

          Muhammad presumed to be a divine judge, but he himself was an extreme sinner. He himself will get into the hell.

          I am aware of my sinfulness. Rainer, the sinful monk. I hope that God's grace in Jesus changes me completely until Judgement Day.

          (Mammon = idol of materialism)

          April 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • igaftr

          that quote does not give you license to judge at all. Let him be accursed, does not say YOU should be the one to curse...nice way to corrupt the meaning of your book though.

          your mind is ill Rainman.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:06 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          You are almost a hopeless case.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:16 pm |
        • observer

          Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          "We can imply that holy Moses was as meek and humble as Jesus and aware of his own sinfulness. Thus, he certainly hesitated to judge the sinners, and gave them one more chance."

          READ a Bible:

          (Numbers 31:18) “But do not kill the young women who have never had s3x. You may keep them for yourselves." [Moses]

          April 24, 2014 at 1:07 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          All of your babbling is meaningless, as you wield the Bible to trash others. You are a giant hypocrite, Rainier. Keep hiding behind your keyboard. God will find you.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:08 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          " Paul had said: “Anathema over Muhammad!!!” "

          Lie, lie, and lie.
          Just like Jesus knows the hour He will come back, but said he didn't....according to you.

          Another lie.
          Is religious education system so bad in Germany that they told you it was okay to embellish the Bible with lies?

          April 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          You need to get born out of Water and Spirit.

          As long as you stick in your flesh, you will never understand spiritual matters.

          It is not a matter of education, but a matter of repentance, faith in Jesus and baptism.

          Baptism is the gateway to the kingdom of God.

          Get born out of Water and Spirit.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          And you need to get your head out from under that water and quit lying about people. If this is what it does to a person, I'll stick with my own religion, thanks. One that you would undoubtedly bash. And no, Squidward, it's not Islam. Said again because you lack reading comprehension.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:52 pm |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        Rainier, You're calling ifgtr a liar? You lie on this blog every single day!

        You're really quite incapable of seeing what you project, aren't you? You really have zero self awareness.

        April 24, 2014 at 1:05 pm |
    • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

      You ass. What is the 1st Commandment? Same principle, dolt. Christians are against all other religions.

      How does it feel? You do this crap to other CHRISTIANS!

      April 24, 2014 at 11:41 am |
  11. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    Sura 9: 111

    Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers (Muslims) their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

    Muhammad claims that the gospel would command Jihad – he was a real jerk.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:28 am |
    • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

      Are you being deliberately stupid? We already know what a bigot you are.
      Mohamned commanded in God's name just as Jesus commanded in God's names hut up already!!

      April 24, 2014 at 11:38 am |
      • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

        Muhammad was a false prophet. He told fabrications.

        Are you a Muslim?

        Decline Islam (forget that crap), and become a Christian right now. God is still ready to welcome you!

        Jesus cured people. In contrast Muhammad killed innocent people. Can a murderer be a prophet?

        April 24, 2014 at 11:59 am |
        • G to the T

          "Can a murderer be a prophet?"

          Yes – Moses.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:08 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          No, I'm not a Muslim, but you have a horrendous tendency to denigrate every single religion/person who doesn't follow your constantly changing, rules made up as you go along religion.

          Instead of glorifying Jesus and God, you only trash other Christians, and now Muslims...

          Go proselytize, like Jesus commands, in Iran. Or Pakistan. Let's see you say your garbage without the protection of being a cowardly keyboard warrior. Do it.

          April 24, 2014 at 12:16 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Moses was no murderer, but as member of the Egyptian authority he judged a criminal. Moses was Egypt-executioner. Moses was an Egyptian prince because the daughter of Pharao had adopted him. Don't misinterprete the Bible, or are you as dull as Muhammad?

          April 24, 2014 at 12:19 pm |
        • G to the T

          If you want to redefine "murder" that's fine, but it doesn't change the what the story says. Exodus 2:11-15

          That's why Moses fled to Midian in the first place.

          April 24, 2014 at 2:56 pm |
      • snuffleupagus

        Ministry, I don't think Rabid is stupid, but I do think he's delusional. Probably a manic-depressive, but I'm not a doctor, though I did stay at a Holiday Express once

        April 24, 2014 at 12:29 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          This boy hates everyone except his own brand of religion, which has no formal name... This gives his the "authority" to judge all others as harshly as he himself will be judged someday. This guy isn't a Christian. He is an abomination hiding behind a Bible.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • snuffleupagus

          Ministry, concur, especially reading his latest posts. That boy is a hateful bigot, and a liar.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:35 pm |
  12. Doc Vestibule

    Islam came into being during the Middle Ages, not the Stone Age.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:27 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Whoops!
      Meant as reply to Rainer

      April 24, 2014 at 9:27 am |
    • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

      That is clear, but the German media use the term Stone Age-Islam. They mean the Islam of the 7th century though this century belongs to the dark age.

      April 24, 2014 at 9:31 am |
      • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

        Germany is quite skilled at using propaganda, and you are quite skilled at parroting it.

        April 24, 2014 at 1:14 pm |
        • Rainer Helmut Braendlein

          Regarding your hatred you are a faithful Muslim. Ain't I right?

          ("faithful" related to Muslims means "extreme")

          April 24, 2014 at 1:19 pm |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          Do you not comprehend the responses given to you? Or are you just exhibiting more of your trademark lying?

          I already told you I am not Muslim. I pity you, because you, on the other hand, are a faithful Christian. (“faithful” related to you means “extreme”)

          Do you think you get a pass from anyone criticizing Germany when you bash my country every single day? No, my lederhosen. You don't.

          April 24, 2014 at 1:48 pm |
  13. Rainer Helmut Braendlein

    When we talk about this issue we have to distinguish between Stone Age-Islam and modern Islam (of course, it yet challenges the validity of a religion when its moral code depends on the the time).

    Today all old religions are influenced by the American or Anglo-Saxon civil religion which has dampened the bigotry of the old religions whereby the Islamic beast is very tough. Yet Frederic the Great, King of Pruzzia, said that it is nearly impossible to change the habits of the peoples under Islamic rule. Today we see that Frederic was right (I don't claim that all Muslims are extremists, but seemingly there is high inclination).

    What actually is worse: American civil religion or Islam?

    Rather American civil religion because it includes more hypocrisy.

    The faithful followers of Muhammad killed their victims publically. The Capitalist system kills people slowly and furtively, and makes us very unhappy.

    Maybe Al Qaeda realized the depravity of the Western system, but it was or is not right how they fight it (us).

    Maybe yet Muhammad was horrified about the materialism (this is a hypothesis of mine) of the Eastern Roman Empire which was actually a very Christian state (there Christianity was legalized large-scale). Yet, seemingly, they neglected the holy gift, sacramental baptism as we do today. They did not overcome their selfish nature through the releasing power of Jesus' sacrifice. Muhammad concluded (wrongly) that Christianity would be false in itself, and that it would be the distortion of the old genuine religion of Abraham (Islam in Muhammad's eyes). Yet, the problem was not that Christianity was false, but the disobedience of the Christians of the East of the Eastern Roman Empire.

    How to encounter capitalism?

    Certainly it will be of no benefit, if we crash into high buildings. What is the benefit of killing innocent people? Someone who assumes that the killing of innocent people would please God, must be obsessed by demons or Satan himself. So, perfect Islam is Satanism.

    What would a faithful Christian do against capitalism in contrast to a faithful Muslim?

    We must pray for a new power elite whose God is not the Mammon (idol of materialism) but Jesus Christ. If these pious people yet exist, they will certainly know how to seize rule in a legal way. Constantine the Great was such a man. He destroyed the anti-Christian leaders of the Roman Empire, and founded the Christian Eastern Roman Empire. We certainly need a new Constantine.

    Today ordinary Muslims should be seen as victims of the False Prophet (Muhammad) and evil Imams (also false prophets). We should love them unbiasedly, and when there is opportunity we should tell them that they can get saved through Jesus Christ, if they repent, believe in Jesus, and get sacramentally baptized, and decline Islam. It is very important that they realize that Jesus is the incarnate Son of God who has borne our sinful flesh when he died for us on the cross.

    Conclusion: Modern Islam is only a tamed beast, but it can become a wild beast again every moment. Nobody can really tame a lion. When extremists crash into buildings Islam shows its true colors – it is just the most fanatic religion which was ever established.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:13 am |
    • igaftr

      Regarding your last line...False. It is CURRENTLY, but christianities crimes against humanity still regin as number one.

      April 24, 2014 at 9:18 am |
  14. Vic

    My first impression was it's hard to tell without watching the video, then it developed into maybe it's wise to take Reverend Ruth Yoder Wenger's sage advice and present a nuanced enough context, I call it a more neutral documentary. After all, you don't want to provoke the wrong crowd, especially at ground zero.

    April 24, 2014 at 9:11 am |
  15. revrickm

    When a Christian believes the Bible is literally true, we call them a fundamentalist. When a Muslim believes that the Qur'an is literally true, we also call them a fundamentalist, and at times, an extremist. So what's the difference? I don't particularly care for Christian fundamentalists, but I have never had one try to kill me.

    April 24, 2014 at 8:03 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      If you're a white, hetero, American Christian you are unlikely to encounter religiously motivated violence in your own country.
      If you're a dark skinned, ho/mose/xual, Muslim you may be targeted by any number of US Christian terrorist groups – especially in the southern states where white supremacist cults seem to abound.
      It's probably also a good idea to stay at least 100 yards away from any abortion clinics down there...

      April 24, 2014 at 8:11 am |
      • revrickm

        I have no problem with what you said. There are any number of white supremacist groups that use violence. However, when they tried to "convert" me, they didn't try to kill me if I said I wasn't interested. I am a Christian, but I'm just not Christian enough for some groups.

        April 24, 2014 at 8:17 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Even if you were an ascetic monk running an orphanage who spoke nothing but scripture, you still wouldn't be Christian enough for some folk.
          Unfortunately, there are some groups elsewhere in the world who still practice violent conversion, like the Manmasi National Christina Army and the National Liberation Front of Tripura.
          You'd think people like that would've realized that God is smart enough to see through a baptism done at gunpoint...

          April 24, 2014 at 8:29 am |
        • The Ministry Of Bad Opinion says...

          How many Muslims have tried to convert you, anyhow? I'll bet none. Cut the hypebole. Islam is at now where Christianity is about 700 years ago. Christians did the same crap.

          April 24, 2014 at 11:46 am |
  16. rogerthat2014

    If you can't handle the truth, then stay away from the memorial. 9/11 is the result of a religious group using their delusional thinking to justify murder.

    April 24, 2014 at 3:51 am |
    • thefinisher1

      "Justify". So you believe criminals and what they claim? LOL!!!!! Logic and reason has died in atheism.

      April 24, 2014 at 7:28 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Your enemy is never a villain in their own eyes.
        The KKK think they're doing God's work too....

        April 24, 2014 at 8:14 am |
      • rogerthat2014

        You've got your faithful Bible blinders on I see. That's nice. Practically all wars are religion based. The South had the Bible on their side with every cannon round. There is nothing God appreciates more than a hard working slave.

        April 24, 2014 at 11:48 am |
  17. realbuckyball

    Nope. It's not "slander" to report the truth, (inconvenient as it is). BUT , it IS discriminatory to leave out Yahweh's violence.
    - Deuteronomy, Chapter 17:2-3,5
    If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant, And hath gone and served other gods, and worshiped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; ... Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
    – Quran (2:191-193)
    "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

    April 23, 2014 at 11:41 pm |
  18. Reality

    Stop all the verbiage and cut to the truth:

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers, Flight 93 and the Pentagon?

    And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror?

    The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means.

    Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed.

    Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein.

    Until then, no Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

    April 23, 2014 at 11:18 pm |
    • kazemah

      'Removing said passages'... that why you have a bible that's corrupt and contradicts itself. People removing and adding what they want. This verse is related to a people who had killed and tortured muslims, and driven them from their homes.
      Muslims can't be trusted? Just imagine how people in muslim countries feel about trusting americans. The people who say they're coming to your country (uninvited, mind you) to 'free' and 'liberate' you, and then they kill your family for no reason.
      Get a grip on reality and stop believing everything you see on tv.

      April 23, 2014 at 11:56 pm |
      • kazemah

        Disregard this comment. Thank you.

        April 24, 2014 at 12:16 am |
      • snuffleupagus

        No,muslims can't all not be trusted. A mulsim gunman, who was supposed to be a police officer in Kabul, shot and killed three doctors and wounded a nurse. They were American. They were targeted. They were there to help children and other patients. See the over- arching morality in religion? Kill those who try to help because they are infidels. Xtianity is no fukking different, kill doctors who perform abortions, harrass and harangue those women who seek one. Bully, bully, as much as you can, to get others to step in line with the xtian doctrine of bullschitt.

        April 24, 2014 at 12:44 pm |
    • Reality

      Some of the koranic passages that drive Muslims to the horror and terror that is Islam:

      http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/005.asp et al
      o "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
      o
      "Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

      "Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

      "...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

      "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29-)

      "It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      "Say: 'Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom..." (Surah 17:111)

      "'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)

      "Fight for the cause of God with the devotion due to Him...He has given you the name of Muslims..." (Surah 22:78-)

      "Blessed are the believers...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls, for these are lawful to them)...These are the heirs of Paradise..." (Surah 23:1-5-)

      "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

      "Shall the reward of goodness be anything but good?...Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents...They shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets...Blessed be the name of your Lord..." (Surah 55:52-66-)

      April 24, 2014 at 6:51 am |
    • Reality

      Conservative Jews in the USA have rewritten the Torah to reflect the myths therein basically making it a doc-ument of peace.

      Thomas Jefferson did an a-nalogous rewrite of the NT. Ditto for the rewrite of the NT by the Jesus Seminarians, Professor JD Crossan in his over 20 books on the historical Jesus and related subjects and Professor Gerd Ludeman in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 694-695.

      " Thomas Jefferson omitted it (Revelation) along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it (Revelation) as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

      April 24, 2014 at 6:57 am |
  19. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    There is no way to determine that this video lacks context or conflates Islam with terrorism without seeing the video.

    It is a bit of a stretch when the woman in the Jake Tapper piece says:

    ... history of Muslims in general who have been present in the fabric of the United States since early days, since the colonial days. who play a vital role ... etc.

    Really? Muslim colonists? That's new. Can anyone point to Muslim colonists for me?

    I do have to admit that 'broken English' voiceover is a bit too much.

    April 23, 2014 at 9:34 pm |
    • flightfromfrostmtn

      A lot of revisions going on these days with our history.

      April 23, 2014 at 9:43 pm |
    • G to the T

      Yup – from what I've read about 10% of african slaves were Muslim. Also in the last 1800's early 1900's thousands of muslims moved to US to escape all the violence around fall of Ottoman empire.

      Not since the colonies per se, but still they've been here just as long as about any group.

      April 24, 2014 at 12:12 pm |
  20. MidwestKen

    It's hard to evaluate without the text of the video. The quote of the Intro doesn't even mention religion.

    April 23, 2014 at 8:45 pm |
    • flightfromfrostmtn

      The full article says muslim leaders that it should be stressed that these were al Qaeda operatives not muslims. essentially saying we need to ignore the driving cause for their extremism.

      April 23, 2014 at 9:28 pm |
      • flightfromfrostmtn

        muslim leaders say....

        April 23, 2014 at 9:29 pm |
      • MidwestKen

        The full article has a lot of quotes, but not from the video itself.

        April 23, 2014 at 10:24 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        "No true Scotsman" strikes again.
        It's like when fundamentalist Christians say that Catholics aren't part of the club.

        April 24, 2014 at 8:16 am |
      • fintronics

        The "cause"??..... as posted above;

        "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

        April 24, 2014 at 8:53 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      It's all 'he said / she said' without the movie.

      Other than a reported whiff of smoke it's not clear there's a fire here.

      April 23, 2014 at 9:37 pm |
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