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June 20th, 2014
10:18 AM ET

Presbyterians vote to allow same-sex marriage

(CNN) - The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Thursday to allow pastors to marry same-sex couples in states where it is legal.

The church also voted, by an overwhelming majority, to change the language about marriage in the church constitution to "two persons" from a "man and a woman," according to More Light Presbyterians, a group that supports gay rights.

To take effect, that change would need to be approved by a majority of 172 local presbyteries, which have a year to vote, the church said in a statement.

However, starting Saturday, pastors can go ahead and begin marrying same-sex couples in the states that allow it, according to Toya Richards Jackson, a church spokeswoman.

"The church affirmed all its faithful members today. This vote is an answer to many prayers for the Church to recognize love between committed same-sex couples," said Alex McNeill, executive director at More Light Presbyterians.

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  1. joeyy1

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeedE8vH1FQ&w=640&h=390]
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    June 26, 2014 at 9:52 am |
    • igaftr

      Daniel Burke. Please make this spam stop. Thank you.

      June 26, 2014 at 10:14 am |
  2. Doris

    Gay Marriage News

    From the Washington Post, 6/23/14:

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    Social Security agency shows why Supreme Court must act on gay marriage

    Further proof of the need for the Supreme Court to rule that state same-se.x marriage bans are a violation of the equal protection clause of the U.S. Consti.tution came via a Friday announcement from the Social Security Administration. “Social Security has published new instructions that allow the agency to process more claims in which enti.tlement or eligibility is affected by a same-se.x relationship,” the federal retiree agency said. Unfortunately, “the Social Security Act requires the agency to follow state law in Social Security cases.”

    When the Supreme Court invalidated the so-called Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), federal agencies set about making their policies reflect the new reality. That is, ensuring that legally married same-se.x couples were being treated equally under the law. In addition, Attorney General Eric Holder issued a memorandum last February announcing that “same-se.x marriages, valid in the jurisdiction where the marriage was celebrated” would be viewed as legal under federal law. Except if that law is the Social Security Act.

    “As with previous same-se.x marriage policies, we worked closely with the Department of Justice,” said Carolyn W. Colvin, acting commissioner of Social Security. “We are bound by the law within the Social Security Act, and we have to respect state laws.” Last month, I told you about a bill sponsored by Sens. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) that would “confer spousal benefits to any individual legally married in United States.” It would also “eliminate the requirement that the spouse reside in a state that recognizes same-se.x marriage in order to be eligible for Social Security benefits.”

    Given Capitol gridlock, I placed great hope in the agency’s ability to make things right for legally married same-se.x couples. That the Justice Department could not find a legal way for the Social Security Administration to use the demise of DOMA to treat all Americans “fairly and equally, with the dignity and respect they deserve,” as Colvin said last year, means the law needs to be changed. That’s not an easy task when the prognosis of passage of the Murray-Udall bill from Govtrack.us is “0% chance of being enacted.” That’s why the Supreme Court must act. Until marriage equality is legal nationwide, legally married same-se.x couples won’t be able to avail themselves of the benefits they deserve without impediment.

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    Also, "Louisville [KY] mayor joins gay marriage effort"

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/20/louisville-mayor-joins-gay-marriage-effort-/11198601/

    June 23, 2014 at 12:21 pm |
    • Doris

      The author of the Washington Post article above is Jonathan Capehart.

      June 23, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
  3. Vic

    ♰♰♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰♰♰

    God, out of His Love & Grace, did not leave us to our own devices to be saved, rather, He took charge.

    John 1:16,17
    "16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ." (NASB)

    John 3:16,17
    "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him." (NASB)

    Ephesians 2:8,9
    "8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." (NASB)

    Also to remember that even under the Law, before the "Dispensation of Grace," the Lord Jesus Christ set a high standard for passing judgement, which He knew is impossible but to set a precedent:

    John 8:7
    "7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”" (NASB)

    Early on:
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/20/presbyterians-vote-to-allow-same-sex-marriage-2/comment-page-2/#comment-3032225

    A side note:

    As it has been pointed out already, the Presbyterian Church has many Presbyterian denominations, the largest of which is the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), abbreviated as PCUSA, and headquartered in Louisville, KY. There are over 10,000 congregations of the PCUSA throughout the U.S. that are grouped into a total of 173 Regional Presbyteries. Each Presbytery is a governing body for all the congregations in its geographical area/region. The PCUSA has about 2 million congregants/followers.

    p.s. It is interesting that at the same General Assembly in Detroit, the PCUSA also voted —310 to 303— to divest from Motorola Solutions, Caterpillar and Hewlett-Packard Corporations, an estimated net worth of about $21 million in stock shares, on the basis of that those businesses are inadvertently aiding unfair Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, but without boycotting Israel. That's another high profile, political however, issue.

    June 23, 2014 at 7:04 am |
    • realbuckyball

      So ... a bunch of random quotes from a 2000 year old set of books. Was this supposed to mean something ?

      June 25, 2014 at 8:15 pm |
  4. Salero21

    Corruptions and Perversions in the world and in the church (apostasy) was foretold by Christ our Lord, so no surprise here at all. Near the end of all things it was going to be like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    June 23, 2014 at 2:36 am |
    • tallulah131

      Hey, sally. Still no friends?

      June 23, 2014 at 3:08 am |
      • Salero21

        Do you mean corrupt and perverted friends? Well maybe!

        I really don't know everything my friends do in the privacy of their bedrooms or when I don't see them, but I'm pretty sure they're not. Are you a corrupt or a pervert?

        June 23, 2014 at 2:13 pm |
    • observer

      The sin of Sodom was GREED.

      June 23, 2014 at 12:10 pm |
      • Salero21

        Yeah that too! However in your hypocrisy and compulsive lying, you chose to ignore the Context of the narrative. If you can read above 6th grade level try reading again the entire chapter, instead of pick and choosing isolated fragment out of the context. Don't be a fool, 'cause the www is seeing you.

        June 23, 2014 at 2:10 pm |
        • observer

          Salero21

          Speaking of LYING, the quote was from God.

          Ooooops! So was God LYING or just an unreliable source?

          CHOKE!

          You continue to make a COMPLETE FOOL OF YOURSELF. Grow up.

          June 23, 2014 at 2:18 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      "Verilly I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass away until all these things have been accomplished".
      --And just as he was dead wrong on that one, so shall his other sooth-sayings be wrong. Madame Zelda and her crystal ball does better.

      June 23, 2014 at 6:24 pm |
  5. observer

    The war against equal rights for gays is winding down. Bigotry is losing out to education. This is another step forward just like when women and blacks got equal rights.

    June 22, 2014 at 11:13 pm |
    • Dalahäst

      It is amazing to me how inst.itutionalized it is. Even in my life, calling another guy gay or a f.ag as an insult was acceptable and the norm, especially at school and within organized sports. It was something I had to learn to change after having gay people prove to me such kind of talk is hateful and not helpful. I remember how backwards one of my grandparents was toward black people. It used to drive me crazy. Luckily I had parents and other grandparents that taught me differently.

      Even on a professional level at my very progressive and inclusive workplace disparaging comments about g.ays, transgenders and lesbians still pop up. All in the name of jokes.

      June 22, 2014 at 11:20 pm |
      • observer

        Dalahäst,

        There has been amazing progress is wiping out discriminations. Hopefully, there aren't many left.

        June 22, 2014 at 11:30 pm |
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