By Delia Gallagher, CNN
(CNN) - Using his strongest language to date, Pope Francis told Italian Mafia members Saturday that they are excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
“Those who in their life have gone along the evil ways, as in the case of the Mafia, they are not with God, they are excommunicated," Francis said.
It is the first time a Pope has spoken of excommunication for the Mafia.
Excommunication, which excludes Catholics from the church, can be imposed by church authorities or incurred automatically for certain grave offenses.
The Pope’s remarks will resonate strongly in this part of southern Italy, where the Mafia attempt to portray themselves as upstanding religious men in good rapport with the Catholic Church, in order to maintain local credibility.
During a one-day visit to Calabria, in southern Italy, the Pope denounced the local mafia, called ‘Ndrangheta, as an example of “the adoration of evil and contempt for the common good.”
According to reports, ‘Ndrangheta is one of the wealthiest international crime organizations, with an annual turnover of 53 billion euros, much of it from the global cocaine trade.
Calabria also suffers from 56% youth unemployment, which the Mafia exploits with promises of jobs for disillusioned young people.
“They must be told, No!” the Pope said to a crowd of over 100,000 gathered in Piana di Sibari, Calabria, for an outdoor Mass.
Prosecutor: Pope faces threat from the mafia
Earlier during his visit, Pope Francis met with relatives of a 3-year-old boy, Nicola Campolongo, who was the victim of an alleged Mafia hit in January. Nicknamed Coco, the boy was with his grandfather when they were both shot and their bodies subsequently burned in a car.
It is not the first time the Pope has spoken out against the Mafia. In March in Rome at a meeting with families of victims, the Pope called directly on Mafia bosses to repent, saying "hell ... awaits you if you continue on this road.”
Some anti-mafia prosecutors have worried that mobsters may target Pope Francis, who is reforming the Vatican, including its scandal-scarred bank, the Institute for Religious Works.
"The strong will of Pope Francis, aiming to disrupt the gangrene power centers, puts him at risk. He disturbs the Mafia very much," Nicola Gratteri, an anti-mob prosecutor in Calabria, told CNN in November.
(CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this report.)
You are actully like the other trolls...Please condenm it please...
I condemn it.
"you are so nieve" ....there is no answer for you, only "the catholic church is an evil crimnal cult"
Okay, so you don't support the abuse but yet you still pay heed to the church, thus inadvertently supporting it.
You can spout all you wish about all the good the church does but yet you can get all of that without a church and until the church turns over the peds and stops the conspiracy crap of hiding them, they don't deserve the recognition they are given.
Abuse happens in all walks of life but the RCC cover it up, whereas other groups will be happy to see those people removed from society.
Stop your whining when the reality is that you started this whole thing out by attacking another person.
That much anger must eat you up...seek help.
"But the RCC Covered it up, other organization where glad to see people removed"
Jewish community in NY – abused chldren and covered it up – huffington post
Scout groups in 4 countries covered up abuse ....had to pay millions in compensation
schools in the USA "much worse then Catholics" in cover up and abuse...cbs news
cyril smith abused children for years as a british MP...the libreal party covered it up...recommended him for knighthood
etc. etc. etc....you should educate yourself before you post about catholic abuse.
and here is the really ironic one - the UN peacekeepers abusing those they are suppose to protect..."how much more abuse will the UN ignore –Globe and Mail Toronto...
The same UN that condemns the Church
You said this....."Apparently, children don't matter to rrbb333. He keeps defending the pedophiles"
"Truth" said...."he is a priest...probably has something to hide"
Fact – "Priest and pedo protector..."
You ask to address the issues, when I do you attack with this filth.
I call out a troll who post anti catholic posts for years and you say "proof it pedo protector"
I prove it and you say. "Listen, say he IS a troll. So?"
Then this beauty..."rrbb333 you are not furthering the conversation"
Disgusting internet garbage from people looking for trouble.
Agains just stop please.
Considering the fact that there WAS a conspiracy, that is still being covered up today, the RCC has earned their reputation.
Considering the nature of the crimes, it is clear the RCC protected THEIR interests over the children.
Perhaps over time the RCC will gain their credibility, but considering this is just the latest in a long, long line of corruption, why are you so surprised that it gets brought up?
Would you rather we bring up the Reichsconcordat, or the relationship with Napolean?
The RCC has given MANY MANY reason to question their morality
gettin all Don Quixote on him...nice reference...old school. ( wait...at this point, is using the term "old school" old school?
So I accuse (and prove) "Facts" of lying...you say he is against pedophilia (he really says the Catholic Church is a criminal cult infested with pedos, but whatever). So...in a rare move of logic....Akria concludes that because i caught him lying I am for PEDOPILIA....that just embarrassing...
"Please condemn the evasive actions that have been displayed by the RCC."
Two hidden premises...
1. you somehow assume, with abosultly no evidence, that I don't, like any normal human being, abhor pedophillia whom ever the perpetrator.
2. "Displayed by the Roman Catholic Church" – the RCC did not abuse anyone!!! People who happen to be in the Church did. I condemn all those who have been PROVEN committed these crimes and/or covered them up...where ever they are!!!
Your question betrays your prejudgment.
"you are so nieve" ....there is no answer for you, only "the catholic church is an evil crimnal cu
"Men do evil things not the church" if you mean that we gave way more in common then I thought. "Facts" and "truth" do not in any way approach his understanding. Hmmmm I hope so.
Ok well lets just leave it like that...I appreciate that you understand the difference between the good people of the church who work everyday of the poor and those who have committed these horrible crimes.
May I ask you to only use my screen name...that other one was shown in error and I have since corrected it. It is private.
" I did stop it" – Ok who was this "attack the messenger, ignore the message", directed to?? The guy who posted the "CLOCKS" video or the guy who made the joke about Lobsters? They are the only other ones here. Come on.
What in the world does that mean???
All victims of these crimes...whether committed by the RCC, the boy scouts, the BBC, Jewish synagogs, the Mormons, the Jehovah wittiness, the baptists, the BBC, etc etc etc...to be given every consideration.
This is a story about the pope's excommunication of the mob....do you go on stories about student proms and start talking about educator abuse??? Rediculous statement.
Richard, take my advice.....don't feed...
"Message"? Really. Here is the message. I can tell you EXACTLY how it would go....,
Victim/facts/time: show what the church had done.
Response: list of the changes with proof the church is leading the way in reform.
Victim/facts/time: only because victims lobbied. (No proof)
(Notice the trolling tactic....ask a question that you already have a negative answer for)
Response: many, many organizations (list provided) do not have reforms as good as the church... And they have very effective victims lobbyist.
Victim/time/facts:the Catholic Church is a pedophile infested cult
not a debate.... It is useless TROLLING .
And you do the same:
You: prove he is a troll
Me: here is proof
You: who cares about proof, it's the "message".
Last post same as the first...Trolls, trolls every trolls...
Wow, such hypocrisy from the one who started out attacking an individual. It doesn't matter if the same person uses various aliases, that would be CNN's issue, not yours...try focusing on your own life and stop trying to start a battle where there isn't one to be had.
"one who started out attacking an individual"l.
"Attaching" ? Ok, now "attacking" means "show with undeniable proof some is lying." – you seem to make words mean what you want them to mean.
It doesn't matter if the same person uses various aliases"
So it does not matter to you that "facts" let you and everyone else here believe that I was a liar all the while knowing he lied...If it "doesn't matter" why didn't he just say it at the beginning?? It only "doesn't matter" because he agrees with you. Interesting analysis from a guy with the handle "truthprevails". Makes your name look like a joke....
"stop trying to start a battle where there isn't one to be had"
If you don't want a reply to filthy, anti catholic, one sided, disgustingly bigoted, and lying posts......stop posting here.
rr: Purchased CNN, did you? Don't see how you have the right to tell others not to post unless you did.
I didn't say I supported it but your initial comments were attacks and it would seem to me that when that happens, the one making the comments is the troll. If you have an issue, take it up with CNN not here...we don't care about your whining.
Go, Pope! The Italian governement should take this cue from the Vatican and change its policy on the inclusion of illegal activities in the Italian GDP: http://on.rt.com/j0rqpt . Whatever is included is necessarily endorsed, whether it be mobsters or "marriage equality". Glad to see the Catholic Church understands this concept. Unfortunatel that so many mainline protestant denominations don't.
In a surprising turn of events, the pope recanted and claimed that it was LOBSTERS he excommunicated, not mobsters.
"I made the error and recant of my own free will. I hear the Italian mobsters simply got a bad name, and are actually a bunch of nice guys" the pope said, though he looked visibly shaken.
what has the pope done to help the children abused by the cover ups? Oops, nothing. Instead he judges others, deflects.
This is how the catholic popes, cardinals and bishops behave. Yes, and they were recently caught money laundering again.
is how the catholic popes, cardinals and bishops behave. Yes, and they were
recently caught money laundering again.
This is how the catholic popes, cardinals and bishops behave. Yes, and they were recently caught money laundering again.
Spamming multiple screen name Troll on CNN....
When confronted lied... said sarcastically..ya right the catholic church is so bad "No way anyone else could have anything negative to say."
Can't post under any of those names anymore when you know you are a liar...
bts time stamp and page for the 1st comment on this tread..... http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/21/pope-excommunicates-mafia-members/comment-page-5/#comments June 22, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Maybe you should show us proof where the pope has done something to help the many victims of abuse from the cover ups. Show me where he did the right thing by setting the example to others on caring for those who are mentally ill and suffering today due to the cover ups.
That would be the correct and mature response. Avoiding the answer to this with rantings only helps prove my point.
You do understand that in order to troll with different handles, the requirement would be multiple handles within the same articles. Odd that only this handle I am using is within this entire article. Your post is childish and silly.
Now respond to the post, not deflect. How has the pope (or vatican) set the example for caring for those who are suffering today from the illness caused by the cover ups, denial of help?
It's really a simple question, honesty is all that is required to answer.
You knew that you post spam on multiple screen names but you let people here accuse me of lying...you actually said to another poster "I agree with you according to rrbb is must be you". That is the way you operate. You paint people as bad even when you know it's not true just like you did me..what kind of a person does that??? And you are still rationalizing!!! Oh and you lied again...you have posted on the same thread as two people and you know it....WOW...years of posting anti catholic crab all as a liar.....you are actually pathetic....
Unable to answer.. Guess you like to play games. bet your jesus and god must love you
you are not a very good person
"you are not a very good person" – wow, you called me childish, were you crying when you wrote that?
If you lie, deceive and cover up you lie with more deceit, what do you expect?
Respond???I have given you answer after answer about issues that you bring up (on stories that have nothing at all to do about abuse)....you are not interested in answers...you want everyone who responses to you to say "The Catholic Church is an criminal, pedophile infested cult" and then to call me a pedophile priest...are you kidding me????. Vile comments. Sorry, not responding to anything you say...only going to call out your lying every time. Have some understanding of the good people working for change and the poor in the Catholic Church stop making bigoted remarks about those people...
correction you actually said: "I agree with you according to rrbb I must be you"
"you are not a very good person" – wow, you called me childish, were you crying when you wrote that? – un-call for comment ....my apologies....the rest i am good with.
then he can cast outthee demons.
Maybe the pope should have an exorcism also the cast out the demons as he believes that nonsense no ?
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