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How an apocalyptic plague helped spread Christianity
Remains of victims of the Plague of Cyprian, discovered in the funeral complex of Harwa and Akhimenru in Egypt.
June 23rd, 2014
09:01 AM ET

How an apocalyptic plague helped spread Christianity

By Candida Moss, special to CNN

(CNN) - Archaeologists in Egypt have unearthed relics from an apocalyptic plague that some Christians believed heralded the end of the world - an idea that likely helped spread the faith centuries ago.

A team from the Italian Archaeological Mission to Luxor unearthed the remains in a funerary complex in the ancient city of Thebes. (The city is now known as Luxor.)

As archaeologists excavated the site earlier this month, they found remnants of bodies covered in a thick layer of lime. The lime was significant, as it was used in the ancient world as a form of disinfectant to prevent contamination.

Nearby, there was evidence of an enormous bonfire, used to incinerate the remains of plague victims, and three kilns used for lime production.

Pottery located in the kilns enabled the scientists to date the discovery to the middle of the third century, the time of a gruesome epidemic known as the “plague of Cyprian.”

Cyprian, the mid-third century bishop of Carthage, provides us with the most detailed description of the plague’s terrible effects. In his essay “De mortalitate” ("On Mortality"), Cyprian wrote:

“The intestines are shaken with a continual vomiting; the eyes are on fire with the infected blood; that in some cases the feet or some parts of the limbs are taken off by the contagion of diseased putrefaction.”

In many cases, Cyprian went on to say, blindness and deafness would ensue.

At its height the epidemic is estimated to have killed 5,000 people a day in the city of Rome alone. Among them were two Roman emperors: Hostilian and Claudius II Gothicus.

The effects were just as extreme elsewhere in the empire. Sociologist Rodney Stark writes that as much as two-thirds of the population in Alexandria, Egypt, died.

Modern scientists may believe that the disease was smallpox, but to Cyprian it was a portent of the end of the world. Interestingly, this belief may have actually helped the spread of Christianity.

Cyprian noted that Christians were also dying from the plague, but suggested that only non-Christians had anything to fear.

His compatriot Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria - one of the most hard-hit areas - wrote that it was a period of unimaginable joy for Christians.

The fact that even Roman emperors were dying and pagan priests had no way to explain or prevent the plague only strengthened the Christian position.

The experience of widespread disease and death and the high probability that they themselves might die made Christians more willing to embrace martyrdom.

And that, somewhat paradoxically, helped the faith thrive, providing early publicity that Christianity is worth dying for.

Add to this the fact that the epidemic coincided with the first Roman legislation affecting Christians, and martyrdom became both a possibility and a more reasonable option: When death is always around the corner, why not make yours count?

As the martyr Apollonius is reported to have said at his trial, “It is often possible for dysentery and fever to kill; so I will consider that I am being destroyed by one of these.”

The harrowing images of putrefying bodies and burning pyres of corpses also influenced early Christian descriptions of hell and the afterlife, which were already filled with fire and brimstone.

With the spread of the plague, these threats seemed increasingly real. Now that hell had become a place on earth, Christians were increasingly eager to avoid it in the afterlife.

The epidemic that seemed like the end of the world actually promoted the spread of Christianity.

Candida Moss is a professor of New Testament and early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame and author of "The Myth of Persecution."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: archaeology • Christianity • Death • Egypt • End times

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  1. Doris

    If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies– that is, longer than two thousand years.

    -Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

    June 29, 2014 at 4:27 pm |
    • southerncelt

      How about the lies of Martin Luther? Bad example.

      July 16, 2014 at 10:51 am |
  2. ldavid69

    Why people invest so much money, time and loyalty to any unproven external influence is beyond me? The stupidity of humans never ceases to amaze me. And such high numbers too. These people may as well believe in the flat earth theory as well.

    June 27, 2014 at 5:17 am |
  3. joeyy1

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeedE8vH1FQ&w=640&h=390]
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    June 26, 2014 at 9:52 am |
  4. thesamyaza

    its a fact the judeo-Christian-islamic preys on suffering, with out suffering there can be no Judaism Christianity or Islam, so its smart business to
    a. spread suffering whenever possible,
    b. take advantage of poor conditions to gain converts,
    c when said suffering shows its self do nothing to stop it.

    life is painful ans suffering is all around us and the three of them use it for their own gain; instead of teaching people that suffering makes the better part of life even greater and it helps us become better and wiser people. they provide a scapegoat that's its the devil or sin.people want some one to blame and they give them that. this diminishes any and all wisdom to be learns from tribulations and perpetuates the Dark-ages

    June 26, 2014 at 5:06 am |
    • idiotusmaximus

      Right on with the suffering by way of GUILT, SHAME and FEAR ....if that is not enough most religions have their ACE IN THE HOLE...the Christian one being that...YOU'LL ALWAYS BE LEFT WITH THE ORIGINAL SIN OF ADAM AND EVE...so there is no way to escape....those early religious perpetrators thought of almost everything......thank the universe they did miss a few.

      June 26, 2014 at 10:01 am |
  5. Dr. Diana

    All religions are equal. Instead of spreading religion we should spend our time in God's presence. Do prayer daily and connect with God.

    ~Diana

    June 25, 2014 at 5:26 am |
    • Reality

      Yes indeed all religions are equal (in their absurdity) making prayers and god-loving a waste of time.

      June 25, 2014 at 8:48 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      Prayer doesn't work...it is merely a feel good measure to make you think you're doing something when in fact you're not.

      June 26, 2014 at 5:16 am |
      • idiotusmaximus

        BINGO Truthprevails.......its 'so passive sit on your a s s' and feel you're bringing a power to the situation....losers.

        June 26, 2014 at 10:03 am |
      • southerncelt

        Sure it does. Just becasue it never worked for you is no excuse for generalizations.

        July 16, 2014 at 10:54 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Tell that to the Schiable children and the numerous others who are dead because moron's like you believe it does.
          Unlike you, I'm not so weak that I need imaginary friends to guide me.
          I suggest you TROLL your delusions on FOX where they meet your low level of intellect.

          July 16, 2014 at 11:30 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I suggest you TROLL your delusions on FOX where they meet your low level of intellect...

          Lololol...where you'll find those EVANGELICALS that hate all other Christians cause you don't believe what they believe.

          July 17, 2014 at 9:54 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Prayer doesn’t work…it is merely a feel good measure to make you think you’re doing something when in fact you’re not...

          THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE REALITY....like taking drugs to feel good.

          July 17, 2014 at 9:51 am |
    • thesamyaza

      which God?
      because Amaterasu would rather me spend more time helping the unfortunate then Flattering her,...off course ever God and girl likes flattery now and then,.. but shes clear on the priorities Family, Nature, the Gods. spend less time with your hands folded up your ass

      you know this is why i say Christians are dead, death means separation, and you all have separated your self from the world [IE] separated your selves from life

      5 pnts. calling a christian a deadite using there logic,...seriously that's all biblical

      June 26, 2014 at 5:21 am |
      • idiotusmaximus

        I don't think most people want to live in a real reality...to do that one must take responsibility and most people would rather live in that twilight zone where fantasy can be involves so they can duck responsibility when the conversation is painting them in the corner because of their ignorance about what is being discussed.

        June 26, 2014 at 10:09 am |
      • southerncelt

        There is only one. Really, any Jew, Christian or Muslim couldl tell you that.

        July 16, 2014 at 10:56 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Ole delusional one...does your imaginary friend like you lying?

          July 16, 2014 at 11:32 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Ole delusional one…does your imaginary friend like you lying?

          Since imaginary s don't exist this is a moot point.

          July 17, 2014 at 9:56 am |
        • In Santa We Trust

          What would a Hindu or Sikh tell you?

          July 16, 2014 at 11:34 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          There is only one. Really, any Jew, Christian or Muslim couldl tell you that.....

          There is only NONE .... that's the reality.

          July 17, 2014 at 9:52 am |
  6. fiftypercenthollow

    Breaking news..Truth prevails is actually a term of victory not an Internet handle with a monopoly. Be aware.

    June 24, 2014 at 6:00 pm |
    • AnnieCee

      That's good to know. 😀

      June 24, 2014 at 7:02 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      50%BrainDead: What?? Obviously you are wrong when I am using it as an alias. Your comment is absurd and proves you are delusional.

      June 26, 2014 at 5:18 am |
      • idiotusmaximus

        LOLOL....right ...it's just a name meaning nothing like almost all names...

        June 26, 2014 at 10:05 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          My intention in using it is not what 50% implied, so yes it is just a name!

          June 26, 2014 at 12:23 pm |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Hmm, delusional no. You have you no proof that I'm wrong. Your just mad cause I'm picking on you and you think too much on what other people say about you.

        June 26, 2014 at 10:39 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Your comment was childish and I'll leave it at that.

          June 26, 2014 at 12:22 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Your funny girlfriend 😛

          June 26, 2014 at 1:29 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Come on truth. I was just funning with you, I'll stop.

          June 26, 2014 at 3:46 pm |
      • southerncelt

        That's enough kettle calling, Mr. Pot. That's the truth!

        July 16, 2014 at 10:59 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Yes, I suggest you take your own advice. Stop trolling and picking battles where there are not any to be had. Try moving forward with time to the newer articles or are you afraid that by doing that you'd get your lying ass handed to you?

          July 16, 2014 at 11:34 am |
  7. mymmatraining

    Bold, unsubstantiated religious claims that go contrary to actual history from a revisionist history hack... Spare me.

    June 24, 2014 at 10:17 am |
    • awanderingscot

      well that's exactly right. like somehow we're now going to believe there has been a grand conspiracy of people over the years falsely testifying of persecution. someone wanted the money from a book deal.

      June 24, 2014 at 2:06 pm |
      • idiotusmaximus

        LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO....BOOK DEAL? i'M IN!....LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

        June 25, 2014 at 10:06 am |
  8. gumbythecat

    One plague causes another.

    June 24, 2014 at 5:38 am |
  9. lhovey1

    where is this 7 year old girl you speak of in the Bible?

    June 24, 2014 at 2:15 am |
    • AnnieCee

      I assume he's referring to the young Jewish girl who was captured and made a slave in the household of a Syrian by the name of Naaman. I summed up the story down below.

      June 24, 2014 at 4:16 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        You condoned it the child loved her captors. Stockholm syndrome comes to mind. The story is immoral and so are you for supporting such tripe and trying to make it sound like it was okay. So blinded by this book of fallacies that you can't see facts and immorality for what it truly is.

        June 24, 2014 at 4:22 am |
        • AnnieCee

          Don't make such a leap... that's not even good logic. It's an element of the story, not central to it. The girl being a slave only explains why a Jewish girl was in a Syrian home.

          I hardly have any patience debating with the religion-haters. They're so intent on their agenda they hop all over the place: and they miss the point entirely. Dishonest debate and diversion tactics. I don't play games. If you truly want to learn something, then settle down and get real.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You have no tolerance? That's truly funny coming from someone who think people need god to be survive.
          It's not a leap when you made excuses by saying the little girl loved her captors. It's not a leap when you made the claim that people need your god.
          Religion is best kept to your home and churches, it has no place in the public or near anyone under the age of 18.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:09 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          One more thing ,why are you here if you have no patience? You're not likely to find many who do have patience for your belief, the ones that do are on your side and are not usually that intelligent. Grow up, the bible is fallacious and has been proven to be.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:12 pm |
        • AnnieCee

          The real question is: why are YOU here? When it's obvious this is the Belief Blog so I think you're in the wrong neighborhood completely. You don't have to be here, especially if Faith and God annoy you so much.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:00 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          So what? I have beliefs, I just happen to care that my beliefs are based on evidence...can you the same? (that is a rhetorical question)
          Faith and the Christian god should offend people, especially when those who believe in that god attempt t take it out of their homes and churches and in to publicly funded places. The Christian god is not a moral god and you'd comprehend this if you actually took off the rose-coloured glasses and read the book with an open-mind.
          As a recovering Christian, I have as much right to speak on the topic as you do. Some day when you've joined reality, you'll understand.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:15 pm |
      • Doc Vestibule

        The slave girl is just a tertiary bit in the story of Naaman.
        She was the servant of a famous Syrian Captain who had taken Jewish slaves as spoils of war.
        The captain had leprosy, so the little slave girl told him to go see Elisha, the prophet of God.
        Elisha cures the dude by having him wash himself off in the River Jordan.
        He is so grateful that he offers to pay Elisha handsomly, but Elisha refuses payment in worldly goods.
        Instead, Naaman declares that he and his men are going to stop worshipping their false, pagan gods and start serving Jehovah.
        Hooray for Abraham's God!

        Naaman had the Jewish slave girl in his service before he saw the magic of Elohim, so in that case the Bible isn't really condoning taking little girls as servants.

        That happens in Numbers 31:17
        "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

        June 24, 2014 at 8:50 am |
        • awanderingscot

          D0C
          are you going to be honest and tell the whole story of the Midianites or merely cast aspersions?

          June 24, 2014 at 12:47 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          What kind of story do you want?
          The Midianites has committed various war crimes against the Jews so God told Moses to give as good as they got.
          "So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. And they killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods, they plundered. Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire."

          June 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
    • awanderingscot

      she's been parroting this lie for some time now, blaming God. she's clueless and delusional.

      June 24, 2014 at 8:30 am |
      • AnnieCee

        You don't have enough info to make such conclusion.

        Besides... how do you know FOR SURE that you're not the one who is deluded? One of these days you might need God's help with something: it's best to be on good terms with Him when that happens.

        June 24, 2014 at 1:10 pm |
        • awanderingscot

          i think not and i have a good relationship with the Lord, not that He has never chastised me when I've needed it. this person blasphemes the name of the Lord on a regular basis impugning his decrees and claiming He is immoral. s/he rambles on about this 7yr old slave girl who supposedly served a man in an immoral way, a relationship sanctioned by the Lord, baseless claims, and yet cannot point to the scripture to prove her claim.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:47 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          awanderscot.....keep wondering as you wander....better you wonder than settle on something that has NEVER EXISTED except in the minds of those willing to waste time on living in an unreal hopeless fantasy.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:02 am |
        • awanderingscot

          lol .. and she calls herself "truth".

          June 24, 2014 at 1:49 pm |
        • AnnieCee

          The little girl was a servant for Naaman's wife, and the girl approached her mistress with the suggestion that Naaman could go see the prophet in Israel. There's no evidence in the story that the girl was being mistreated.

          The people here don't seem to know very much about the story. And to convert the story into a case of Pedophilia is complete fiction.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:06 pm |
        • AnnieCee

          The Healing of Naaman is in 2 Kings 5:1-19

          June 24, 2014 at 3:08 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Now that sounds delusional. You can't be sure yourself what that story meant, so don't act Holier Than Thou and pretend you do...those stories have been translated so many times, that they have become unreliable as to what they originally meant. For you to claim you have the answer is blatant dishonesty.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:19 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          i think not and i have a good relationship with the Lord, not that He has never chastised me when I've needed it....love this awanderscot....and yet you never question it.....afraid to lose your delusion of a god that seems to not know you exist....maybe because it doesn't exist?

          June 25, 2014 at 10:04 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          So annie....I didn't waste my time worrying whether Santa was going to bring me something I WANTED and i don't think I'm going to waste my time worrying about this fantasy either.

          June 25, 2014 at 11:20 am |
      • AnnieCee

        awanderingscot, I'm not sure who you are talking about. Perhaps I misunderstood.

        June 24, 2014 at 11:27 pm |
  10. lhovey1

    I find it so funny how humans call on God when they need help, and blame God when things go wrong sounds kind of childish doesn't it?

    Proof of God
    http://www.bibleintheclouds.com
    and
    http://www.signsandmiraclesfromgod.com
    and
    http://www.twitpic.om/photos/signsfromgod1

    June 24, 2014 at 2:07 am |
    • colin31714

      Yes, it is every bit as ridiculous as crediting your god for good things in life and exculpating him for blame for bad things, like disease and disaster, isn't it. About time we grew up as a society.

      June 24, 2014 at 2:41 am |
      • thirdhope

        If you could exterminate people of faith... Would you?

        June 24, 2014 at 2:51 am |
        • colin31714

          no, but I think the eradication of faith itself would be a positive step.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:53 am |
        • awanderingscot

          faith is an open hand that accepts salvation. you don't have it and you don't want anyone else to have. grow up.

          June 24, 2014 at 8:32 am |
        • Keith

          If I could exterminate "Religion" I would.

          June 24, 2014 at 8:36 am |
        • Doris

          Snotty: "you don't have it and you don't want anyone else to have."

          Not if they are going to "grow up" into a sanctimonious bag of wind such as yourself.

          June 24, 2014 at 9:31 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          What's a matter with you thirdhope, what's all this extermination talk about?

          June 24, 2014 at 6:06 pm |
      • thirdhope

        So... If we aren't killing them on purpose and they obviously aren't all going to suddenly wake up one morning enlightened – how do we get rid of faith?

        June 24, 2014 at 2:59 am |
        • colin31714

          Education.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:02 am |
        • thirdhope

          Yeah... But they are going to have churches and synagogue and mosques and places like that. get rid of those.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:07 am |
        • thirdhope

          Meant to be a question... Get rid of those?

          June 24, 2014 at 3:08 am |
        • thirdhope

          But again... That stuff is gonna be preached and taught in Sunday school. Obviously late night posting in comments are not going to do much good. Should we create laws to say what can be taught in churches or just outlaw them? Or should we limit their speech?

          June 24, 2014 at 3:26 am |
      • lhovey1

        Colin

        God did not make all that is bad, wouldn't it be so easy to take away human blame, and no not all good is done by God or God fearing people- but one of life's greatest lessons is not that Good people do bad things–it is that bad people do good things!

        Take your doubt and go to:

        Proof of God
        http://www.bibleintheclouds.com
        and
        http://www.signsandmiraclesfromgod.com
        and
        http://www.twitpic.om/photos/signsfromgod1

        June 24, 2014 at 3:07 am |
        • colin31714

          Not buying it. The simplest thing to do is to take a set a of facts, like, for example, a person getting sick or a tornado ripping through a town, and giving the Judeo-Christian god credit for the good (such as the recovery from the disease or the people who survived) but saying he is not responsible for the bad – like those the tornado didn't miss or the contraction of the disease in the first place.

          Silly, childish stuff.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:16 am |
        • thirdhope

          But again... That stuff is gonna be preached and taught in Sunday school. Obviously late night posting in comments are not going to do much good. Should we create laws to say what can be taught in churches or just outlaw them? Or should we limit their speech?

          June 24, 2014 at 3:27 am |
      • frosty13148

        I credit god for the miracles in this world. bad and good stuff happen to bad and good people everyday.

        June 24, 2014 at 3:36 am |
    • mocasea

      Yeah. Those aren't proof of God. Those are people applying their beliefs to their observations and images. Many of the images are at best stretches of the imagination. I once saw a cloud that looked like a well known picture of an Ice Giant, does that make those real too?

      June 24, 2014 at 3:34 am |
      • lhovey1

        Really?????

        who painted these in the sky if not God? stretches of the imagination–some of these clouds match paintings from Renaissance masters of the 1500's coincidence?

        C'mon lets be real how did they get there?

        June 24, 2014 at 3:46 am |
        • neverbeenhappieratheist

          lol. I guess they say there's a sucker born every minute.

          If you believe this nonsense then I have some beach front property in the Maldives to sell you...

          June 24, 2014 at 7:42 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Nothing you think points to your imaginary friend points to your imaginary friend. Only an uneducated lazy man thinks that. An Education is obviously needed, you might wish to start by watching both COSMOS series and opening that closed-small mind.

          June 24, 2014 at 7:49 am |
        • observer

          lhovey1

          "C'mon lets be real how did they get there"

          Zeus. Or maybe one of THOUSANDS of other gods. Or maybe a completely different explanation that man has not verified yet.

          June 24, 2014 at 11:03 am |
        • igaftr

          lhovey
          "C'mon lets be real how did they get there?"

          Let's be real. I could explain to you why clouds appear, but you probably already know why, throw it out and claim "god".
          By all means , show the direct cause and effect relationship that demonstrate this "god" was involved. you will first need to show evidence of your "god".
          All of the "proofs" you posted have something happen that people did not understand...they then jump from we do not know" to goddidit. There is no correlation, let alone a causation.

          You want it to be your god, and not having another cause, proclaim it to be "god" with no cause effect relationship at all.

          June 26, 2014 at 10:47 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      That is not proof of god when they all point to the one book written about this god. That is Circular Reasoning and it fails. Care to provide Scientifically backed evidence? No matter what way you try to spin it, any time you must revert to the buybull to prove your imaginary friend, you have failed. Such a gullible fool!

      June 24, 2014 at 4:25 am |
    • observer

      lhovey1,

      I find it funny how believers give God credit for anything good that happens, but no blame for anything bad.

      It's like when one person survives a disaster. It's a miracle from God, but he gets no blame for ALL the deaths.

      June 24, 2014 at 10:24 am |
  11. fiftypercenthollow

    The power of spreading the Word is not in how we can force people to our way of thinking. It is in our testimony that He has given us that changes hearts. Get it straight this is not a human effort and it never will be.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:57 am |
    • TruthPrevails1

      It is a human effort. Without humans to spread the stories, those stories don't make it to the next generation. To give credit to your imaginary friend is to give credit where it is not due and it is the lazy way out of facing reality.

      June 24, 2014 at 4:27 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Is it now? You must know for a fact he is imaginary, tell me your facts about God and I'll judge for myself.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:41 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          What evidence to you purport to having? The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim and so far nothing that any believer has ever provided has met the standards....not your bible, not stories told on here, nothing. So until there is such evidence I see no point in believing...is that hard for you to comprehend? Is it hard to comprehend that some people care that what they believe is based on evidence, opposed to you accepting it on faith (belief without evidence)?

          June 24, 2014 at 2:45 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Truth listen to yourself. I can't sell you a cure if you believe none exists. Your choice not mine.

          June 24, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          What evidence to you purport to having? The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim and so far nothing that any believer has ever provided has met the standards….....

          .THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON RELIGION…..
          If you propose the existence of something such as a god, you must follow the scientific method in your defense of its existence, otherwise I have no reason to listen to OR BELIEVE you.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:43 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          Pre-supposition? You started out with a pre-supposition when you implied god.
          You asked for my evidence that your god doesn't exist, I merely responded to that by explaining how the burden of proof works..you then go off on a 10 year old child's level of a tantrum.
          GROW UP

          June 24, 2014 at 2:49 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Haha, ok you don't want to talk about it fine, I get it.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          YOU GET NOTHING Truthprevails1......you've missed the boat and your life that you live in the twilight of the fantasy world.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:49 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Truthprevails not with YOU.....

          THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON RELIGION AND THOSE THAT BELIEVE…..
          If you propose the existence of something such as a god, you must follow the scientific method in your defense of its existence, otherwise I have no reason to listen to you.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:46 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Without humans to spread the stories, those stories don’t make it to the next generation....CLARIFICATION.....WITHOUT IGNORANT FEAR INFESTED PEOPLE AND THE DESPERATION TO BELONG....

          June 25, 2014 at 10:41 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Same concept you describe for ignorant people, I can't assume who your pointing to, works for what the bible calls an unbelieving world.

          June 25, 2014 at 2:51 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          idiot: Not once have I proposed the existence of a god. I stated that the burden of proof for the existence of a god lies on the one making the claim...you took a lot out of context. My point stands...now stop the ranting, you truly do look like an idiot!

          June 25, 2014 at 11:44 am |
  12. fiftypercenthollow

    The church isn't founded on human martyrs. Something the world can't understand.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:54 am |
    • wordclock

      But it is based on martyrdom since Jesus had to die.

      June 24, 2014 at 2:24 am |
      • colin31714

        it's based on a silly, illogical myth about the creator of the Universe "having" to send his son to die when he makes the rules. Silly, simple stuff.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:52 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Jesus paid for our crimes once and for all. The world makes all of us believe that we have to keep enacting this impossible heroism to prove we are forgiven. It's not possible for us to do what Jesus did ie. You don't do something for someone that has been done perfectly already for them.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm |
        • TruthPrevails1

          You may think torture is a good thing but not all are so foolish. There is zero evidence to support that jesus came back from the dead after 3 days. There is zero reason to think that it is justified to allow ones own child to be slaughtered for mistakes that have yet to happen. The resurrection crap is one of the worst stories in that book. What a vindictive ass of a god you believe in when it allows its own child harmed.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • joey3467

          I find it disturbing that so many people don't seem to have a problem with this. As far as I am concerned it is immoral to let someone else take your punishment and thus Christianity itself is immoral as it is entirely based on doing just that.

          June 24, 2014 at 4:52 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          It's only immoral to take something that wasn't given to you. Christianity is finding the courage to take something that is offered to you even though you don't deserve.

          June 24, 2014 at 5:45 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          wordclock is wrong...Jesus paid for our crimes once and for all....not true...because of Adam and Eve's sin in the garden people are born in everlasting guild, shame and fear....which the church created to keep the people paying into their coffers....maybe you should read the story of the Popes and Vatican...you"ll see the story behind why Martin Luther and Henry the Eight created new churches.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:34 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Lol. Sounds like a fascinating story you weave. That still doesn't make it true.

          June 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I don't weave...that's something you do when you don't like what you see or hear...so go read...the Popes are waiting.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:43 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          What?

          June 25, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          WHAT? is the most intelligent thing you've said so far.....stick with it.

          June 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm |
    • TruthPrevails1

      If humans can't understand it, why are you claiming to? Superiority complex perhaps?

      June 24, 2014 at 4:28 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Oh wow! Changing words around, I said the world. Do you want to know what I meant by world or are you going to put your pre suppositions to my thoughts and have a name like truthprevails. Disingenuous is more like it.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:46 pm |
    • Keith

      Not only is the Christian religion founded on persecution it could not survive without its persecution stories.

      June 24, 2014 at 8:38 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        That is your preference to make your self feel comfortable, if you will, even though the reality of the matter is that this article mistakes why the church has been allowed to survive. This is what the prevailing thought is.. Christianity is outdated and it will die away in this modern age, right?

        June 24, 2014 at 2:33 pm |
        • Keith

          I don't need anything to feel comfortable with Christianity, I left it behind a long time ago and found God on my own. Religion is for people that are scared of hell. Spirituality is for people that have already been there.

          June 24, 2014 at 11:07 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Man, I'm sorry that you went through that. I'm not talking about our testimonies though. This is a different discussion all together.

          June 25, 2014 at 12:17 am |
        • Keith

          We are all walking testimonies, you are testifying that you do not believe in anything unless your Fundamentalist Preacher tells you it is true.

          June 25, 2014 at 7:57 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          I believe what I read in the bible and yes it says to be in the power of the church but the word is foremost the only way to become rooted and self sufficient while becoming aware of others trying to mislead you. Do you think that's what I'm doing?

          June 25, 2014 at 3:14 pm |
        • Keith

          I believe using the bible to try to convince me that you are doing the right thing is a waste of time.

          I also believe that if the bible helps you live your life that is a good thing. If you think I should live by it then that is another story all together.

          June 26, 2014 at 12:38 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          What does to "live by" entail when you say it next to the bible? Are you saying as a guide to living sort of like principles or rules for good people or are you saying something else?

          June 26, 2014 at 1:33 am |
        • Keith

          I am saying that I do not follow the Christian God, living by the rules of your religion is what I am talking about. Living by the Bible would be horrible, bronze age and iron age people were not very nice to each other.

          June 26, 2014 at 9:04 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I am saying that I do not follow the Christian God, living by the rules of your religion is what I am talking about. .....

          The rules of ALL RELIGIONS were plagiarized from early philosophers.....like the TEN COMMANDMENTS which go back into pre-civilization history ...without them any common defense from outside threats was not possible....they are a way for people to survive for the common group.....apes do this too.

          June 26, 2014 at 10:15 am |
        • Keith

          Yes I know that, I like Zarathustra, probably the first Monotheistic religion.

          I dislike fundamentalists of every religion, and I believe that organized religion has been the most destructive force in human history.

          June 26, 2014 at 11:07 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Amen to that....lololol...oopppsss!...lololo

          June 26, 2014 at 3:42 pm |
        • Keith

          thanks

          June 26, 2014 at 7:14 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          I don't want to say something benign to you about what you are saying. You must see that whatever your avoiding still in fact occurs even by our own government. You seem like a nice person I know you don't want the constraints of something you can't trust, all I'm saying is that maybe you have been looking at God from the wrong perspective.

          June 26, 2014 at 10:33 am |
        • Keith

          I am 65 years old, there are not many ways I haven't looked at God. In fact I have a fine relationship with god, I only hate religion, not god

          June 26, 2014 at 11:09 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Well, what are your views on Jesus?

          June 26, 2014 at 1:03 pm |
        • Keith

          That would take a lot of writing, my views are probably closest to the Theosophists. I do not believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. I do not believe that he was "God Incarnate"

          June 26, 2014 at 7:04 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          If giant pink towers and celestial spheres aren't gaudy enough, the larger building will have the unlikely boast of housing the world's tallest kaleidoscope driven by a wind turbine.

          June 26, 2014 at 7:14 pm |
        • Keith

          well, good for you

          June 26, 2014 at 7:16 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I do not believe that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. I do not believe that he was “God Incarnate” ....

          This is funny to an Atheist.....a theoretical so called person that has never been proven to exist being a way to get to a place where no one has ever returned from in 2000 years to verify that it even exist and then not believing this non-existent person is this non-existent being incarnated......the mind that can make all of this make any rational sense is certifiably insane.

          June 26, 2014 at 7:21 pm |
        • Keith

          Do know any psychology? Do you believe in that? It is a purely theoretical discipline. I am here discussing theology and argue with Christians. It would seem that I do not have anything to discuss with a atheist. But, I do see that we do have some points of agreement. Waiting on someone for 2000 years seems pretty silly to me.

          It would seem that there have been thousands of years of insane people, I don't know how to explain that to you.

          June 26, 2014 at 7:40 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Theosophist? Is that a combination of theist and sophist?

          June 27, 2014 at 12:14 am |
        • Keith

          Theosophy refers to a system of esoteric philosophy, concerning or investigation of seeking direct knowledge of the presumed mysteries of being and nature. Particularly concerning the nature of divinity.

          Theosophy is considered a part of the broader field of esotericism. You are pretty close, a sophist is a teacher, but I think that a literal translation would be some one that understands god through philosophy.

          There is a lot of information available on line.

          June 27, 2014 at 12:25 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          I see

          June 27, 2014 at 1:27 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          So then what? You assume to know why I am Christian.

          June 25, 2014 at 12:06 am |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Not only is the Christian religion founded on persecution it could not survive without its persecution stories.....True.....in fact the church took torching to a higher perfect level in its cruelness...and the Office of the Inquisition is still in operation...they change its name in 1903 to camouflage it.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:29 am |
  13. observer

    fiftypercenthollow,

    Your stalling is OVER. I may have asked a dozen times and you REFUSE to say whether you support what the Bible says.

    Your refusal to answer the simple question has ACTUALLY answered my question. Thank you, but we BOTH already knew what the answer was.

    Why not spend some of the remaining time tonight to READ a Bible and then maybe you'll have a CLUE whether or not you believe and support ALL of it?

    Good luck.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:42 am |
    • fiftypercenthollow

      Good luck to you as well, buddy. Sorry it wasn't what you were hoping for. Maybe you'll get the answers your searching for. PEACE!!

      June 24, 2014 at 1:46 am |
      • market1977

        @fiftypercenthollow I was reading this discussion going back and forth and I got to say, you aren't helping your cause. Answer the question. If you expect to sway minds, you got to be prepared to answer tough questions. If you are having trouble believing in just one single thing in the bible, such as giving a child away to be used, don't you question the bible in general. It's supposed to be this infallible book of holy origin that was written with divine guidance and yet there are so many contradictions and bad things in there. The fact that the bible has been re-written so many times now should warrant questions period. It's not like God says, oh people have changed so now I need to re-write the bible.
        What god would want a follower who worships without asking questions? A follower who believes in anything out of fear. The fear of what will happen when he dies. If he wanted nothing but worshipers, he should of made us all mindless worshiping drones. If you step back and look at the bigger picture, it all doesn't add up. When people stop fearing what will happen when they die, a lot of people will see the truth clearly. I was brought up in a very christian family, but I had too many questions and eventually I saw the truth. I hope you see it one day as well.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:28 am |
        • thirdhope

          But isn't that the point... God could have made us robots who did nothing but worshipped him – but instead He gave you the choice not to follow, love or cry out to him in your times of desperation.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:40 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          You say I believe out of fear? I would say you are speaking from your own self. I believe because I know the truth and I need God to help me to avoid myself in order to stay truthful. I miss the mark but observer is intently miss outing that scripture therefore he does not get his answer because he is misleading others for his benefit.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:40 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          If you expect to sway minds,....is not possible with the religious believers they have to much time and faith invested in the fantasy...where as the scientific mind is always changing as new information is uncovered....the religious are LOCKED INTO THE DISTANT PAST...out of fear and blind terror.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:38 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Sounds like you understand fear and terror. How bout you leave a reasonable view on reality to people who don't just shift blame to people they know nothing about.

          June 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I don't live in fear ...that is for people who are afraid they won't get what they want or could lose what they have...I do neither....

          June 25, 2014 at 3:41 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Man, I'm sorry that this is going on like this between us, can we drop the posturing?

          June 25, 2014 at 4:35 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Better we drop the waste of time conversation since you live in an altered world of reality....bye.

          June 25, 2014 at 5:51 pm |
      • observer

        fiftypercenthollow

        As I said, I got my answer. You were AFRAID to answer so we BOTH know what the answer was.

        June 24, 2014 at 10:32 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Lol. Love your perceptions on reality. Couldn't talk to you about it, since your mind is so made up on the fact that I'm scared to answer you. Sounds like you might be deluding yourself. Do you want to learn what and why I believe or not?

          June 24, 2014 at 2:19 pm |
    • lhovey1

      where is this 7 year old girl you speak of in the Bible?

      June 24, 2014 at 2:26 am |
      • observer

        The question applies to ANY 7-year-old girl.

        June 24, 2014 at 10:33 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Hey observer why don't you observe what is really motivating you to avoid me and stop asking your twisted questions to anyone who gives you attention. It's like you crave this stuff.

          June 24, 2014 at 5:53 pm |
  14. observer

    fiftypercenthollow,

    Do you support the selling of a 7-year-old girl to a stranger for his USE as a slave like the Bible does?

    YES or NO?

    It's such a simple question that ANYONE should be able to answer it. Why are you STILL STUMPED?

    June 24, 2014 at 1:27 am |
    • fiftypercenthollow

      Alright, I'll give you an answer but I need your word on one thing. Can you do that?

      June 24, 2014 at 1:33 am |
      • Keith

        Can't answer the question can you. The "bible" is a book put together to keep roman soldiers in line. thousands and thousands of so called "sacred writings" were left out by the men that Constantine choose to create the unified Church.

        You can't defend your faith if you don't accept the truth of it's history.

        June 24, 2014 at 8:46 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          This is unfounded. I can defend my faith by what I know is already true. That is by not making statements that I know are my opinions. Keep roman soldiers in line. That's not what I've found out to be the actuality.

          June 24, 2014 at 2:14 pm |
        • Keith

          You should try a few college level courses in comparative religion.

          June 24, 2014 at 11:05 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          fiftypercenthollow...is right about Constantine the Great but he made the deal with the then bishop of Rome to get the Western Roman Empire back that the bishop of Rome promised if he made Rome the Center of catholicism which he did...by ignoring the bishop of Constantinople that then created the Eastern Orthodox church.... but the western part only lasted 10 years and was lost for good...but by then Rome was the center of Catholicism.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:12 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Hmm Catholicism and the bible seem to be a major fixation among sceptics. It doesn't effect what the biblical historians have found concerning the old testament and new testament. You two may be right about Constantine but your way off base with this assertion that this.. kept Romans in line and therefore negates the power of the Bible.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          The only power the bible has is for the people who believe to be true and factual....were it the actual truth everyone in the world would believe it.....like in 2 plus 2 is 4 is a fact everyone agrees ( even those who have never heard of it) on because it can be proven (all the way to the edge of the universe 13.8 billion light years away)...the bible, Koran and Torah is fiction and like any fiction...it's all a matter of hearsay OPINION AND NEVER WILL BE PROVEN....that's why heaven is a good sell...no one can come back to prove it's not there.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:53 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          So I'm going to stop wasting my time with your annoying way of communicating your beliefs and ideals. I'm sure they mean something to you and yes I believe the bible. We follow what we believe, this is absolutely the truth whatever you believe.

          June 25, 2014 at 4:40 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I glad you do follow the bible.....and I hope Santa is good to you.

          June 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Sacred writings, like the gnostic gospels. Which were proven forgeries. Do you think that you could explain what your talking about before I go into detail?

          June 25, 2014 at 12:14 am |
        • Keith

          The Gnostic gospels have not been proven to be forgeries. Copies of the same gospels were found in two modern archeological finds. One at Nag Hamadi and the other in the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are also the thousands of "sacred texts" at the Vatican.

          It always amazes me how ignorant people defend their faith. You either have faith or you don't. If the bible has to be the unerring word of "god" for you to believe then you do not have faith.

          June 25, 2014 at 1:29 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          What! The dead sea scrolls confirm old testament only. Dude that is not what I'd expect from someone who goes to college. Also the gnostic gospels where written somewhere between 2nd and 4th century ad. The gospels in the bible on the other hand where written some 30 to 50 years after the accounts of Jesus' crucifixion.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:21 pm |
        • Keith

          The Nag Hamadi library was left behind by the Essene sect of Jews and include what some folks would call "new testament" texts. Your timing of the writings are disputed by many bible scholars, but I don't care because that was not my point at all.

          June 26, 2014 at 12:43 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          They were not new testament my friend. And the Essene was believed to be John the Baptist group but I can't see what your getting at without making your point. The gnostic gospels aren't reliable because of the dates they were written which is way they never made it into the canonization.. You keep alluding to the fact that the bible isn't reliable because it's has errors, I say your misrepresenting what you know about the bible.

          June 26, 2014 at 1:38 am |
        • Keith

          I say you aren't interested in the truth. That is fine with me, I have nothing to gain or lose either way.

          June 26, 2014 at 9:05 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Well I am interested otherwise I would have never invested time talking with you on these subjects. Tell me what you think or learned and I'll research or tell you what I know.

          June 26, 2014 at 10:35 am |
        • Keith

          sorry, I mistook your intent in your last statement. I do enjoy discussing these issues. I can appreciate someone's faith and if you need religion to keep that strong then I believe that is good for you. I had a very difficult childhood and bad experiences in the Fundamentalist Church I was raised in then I spent 3 years in Vietnam. Those two experiences affect everything I do as a person. I had to find a spiritual connection that worked for me and for me to do that, I spent 20 years studying religions. I do not have to believe that any books written are the unerring word of god to have the faith that I have, or follow any particular religion.

          For a Christian, studying the formation of the Catholic Church by Constantine would be a good first step. If you need your Bible to be literally true in order to maintain your faith, do not look. I believe a person can know the truth and still have a faith in their god.

          June 26, 2014 at 11:33 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Your awesome man. I hope to be doing what God calls all of us to do and that for me is revealed in faith, I will invest some time in the history of the church and the bible because I already have. Still, I'm sorry for your losses, I can't offer you much but I do enjoy seeing your patience with finding out what's going on and still seeking God.

          June 26, 2014 at 1:28 pm |
        • Keith

          I appreciate this honest discussion with you more than you could know. Sharing our stories is very meaningful for me. I heard a saying that seems to fit my life story. Religion is for folks that are afraid of hell, spirituality is for folks that have already been there. I have god in my life and I am at peace in my older years, I just don't have a church to go with that.

          June 26, 2014 at 7:08 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          I just don’t have a church to go with that....

          Count yourself lucky because you're not wasting even more time than you are now if you did...

          June 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm |
        • Keith

          My journey is mine, and none of it has been a waste of time because as far as I know we just get this one shot at it.

          June 26, 2014 at 7:42 pm |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          There's always a church for that and I know what you mean by seeing hell. I was a drinker and pill popper and I was brought to a place that could only be God's providence. God's funny like that.

          June 27, 2014 at 12:11 am |
        • Keith

          I know a little about that battle too.

          June 27, 2014 at 12:25 am |
    • observer

      fiftypercenthollow,

      Last chance.

      God must be really impressed with someone who REFUSES to say they support all he says.

      June 24, 2014 at 1:35 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Well if I can't get your consent on something that will solidify my stance on my belief on the bible then I can't properly explain myself. Doe you understand?

        June 24, 2014 at 1:37 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Well observer it's time to put up or shut up. Do you want an honest answer?

          June 24, 2014 at 1:44 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Well I guess you got impatient. You are welcome to read Philemon in the bible and that was going to be my basis for the slavery question you had.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:48 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow

          "Well I guess you got impatient."

          How could I get impatient? I only asked a DOZEN TIMES?

          June 24, 2014 at 11:05 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          True. True. We can still talk like the civilized people we are, if you would like?

          June 24, 2014 at 2:21 pm |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow,

          I am talking like a civilized person. You were the one to start with juvenile insults.

          It is usually hoped that civilized people have the INTEGRITY to answer simple questions, but sadly it's not always the case..

          June 25, 2014 at 1:12 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          True true, sadly.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:22 pm |
    • frosty13148

      Selling a child for any reason is disgusting. It happens everyday i am sure in the world we live in today. It is just greed and pedophiles doing the work. This is not what God expects from us, it's what satan wants and humans by nature are to willing to give him what he wants.

      June 24, 2014 at 3:43 am |
    • AnnieCee

      Dishonest question. That story in the Bible does not condone or support the slavery of the little girl. It only includes that fact: she was a slave. And apparently she was concerned about the Master of the household so she suggested to her Mistress that Naaman should go to the prophet in Israel to be healed of his leprosy. And Naaman was in fact, healed.

      What's interesting about the story is that the little girl CARED about the family that owned her. And she is actually the little heroine of the story because her Master came home again, free of the leprosy. The story doesn't say what happened to her after that but I can imagine that she was treated very well for her role in the miracle.

      Slavery was a fact back in those days. Every spring the Kings went out to war, and they brought home slaves from the cities that they conquered. Nobody would say it was right. It's just the way it was. The issue of slavery was not the point of the Story.

      June 24, 2014 at 4:04 am |
      • TruthPrevails1

        Making excuses does nothing good. Slavery was accepted then and you are blind not to comprehend that. Stop making excuses for your imaginary friend...it doesn't exist and it is a weak minded person who thinks it does.

        June 24, 2014 at 4:32 am |
      • neverbeenhappieratheist

        Israel was and in many ways still is, a theocracy. Every aspect of their lives had to meet their ancient Gods approval as shown by the detailed laws given them in Leviticus. Slavery was not only allowed, it was theocratic law. This means that the God of the Israelites condoned slavery, made two sets of rules for it concerning the owning of Israelites and the owning of foreigners who you could pass on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is either a moron or illiterate.

        June 24, 2014 at 7:51 am |
      • observer

        AnnieCee,

        HONEST question. God supported slavery. He even told people where they could get their slaves and even how badly they could hurt them WITHOUT punishment.

        June 24, 2014 at 10:29 am |
  15. fiftypercenthollow

    I already told you. You believe in employment and so do I. The course of sin has power over those who allow it. Slavery and employment go hand and hand my astute friend. Don't be so quick to judge yourself better because you look like you don't want to learn anything.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:16 am |
    • fiftypercenthollow

      This is for observer

      June 24, 2014 at 1:17 am |
    • observer

      fiftypercenthollow

      This is a RIOT. You are pathetically trying to keep changing the subject when all I asked is a simple YES or NO.

      Well done.

      June 24, 2014 at 1:19 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Ha, Only for you my friend. Of only you could see the lists of different things I've really been saying. Let's see.. Slavery equals employment. The power of sin etc. Love you!

        June 24, 2014 at 1:21 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow

          June 24, 2014 at 1:25 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow

          June 24, 2014 at 1:25 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          50%hollow(brain): Wrong, indentured servitude equals employment, not slavery....one can walk away from their employment at the end of the day, one can't walk away from slavery so easily. It takes a weak mind and an uneducated one not to realize the difference. Buy a dictionary and maybe the other 50% of your brain will start to function.

          June 24, 2014 at 4:37 am |
  16. AnnieCee

    It's an interesting article. When people are desperate, they are more likely to turn to God for help. That's true at any time, so I can imagine that the horrifying plague did serve as motivation to turn to God.

    Besides, when life seems to be going to *ell in a handbag, then Christianity is very comforting because of what Jesus taught us about the afterlife... Thank God that this mess isn't the End: it's just boot camp for our REAL life.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:13 am |
    • observer

      AnnieCee,

      It's always fascinating to hear Christians talk about what a horrible world this is that God created.

      June 24, 2014 at 1:16 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        It's horrible what someone's choices can do yo others when we chose ourselves over everything.

        June 24, 2014 at 1:19 am |
      • AnnieCee

        The world is beautiful. But the news reports every day reveal that mankind has deep problems, and I think there is increasing frustration and concern that everything is getting worse instead of better. People don't even know how to turn it around. They can't agree on what will work to turn things around. Nothing works. Big problems get bigger.

        It's a good time for mankind to turn to God once again: He's the only real hope we've got.

        June 24, 2014 at 3:48 am |
        • TruthPrevails1

          No, it's time man dropped believing in your imaginary friend. Belief in your imaginary friend is at the core of many atrocities. Grow up...you lack empathy if you need this immoral vindictive god to get you by...how very sad for you-trapped by lies an deception, not capable of living for yourself...such a weak minded person you are!

          June 24, 2014 at 4:40 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Now more than ever we need to unite as brothers and sisters and ask ourselves who we serve. God or mammon?

          June 24, 2014 at 5:57 pm |
  17. fiftypercenthollow

    Do you believe that it is OK?

    June 24, 2014 at 1:08 am |
    • observer

      fiftypercenthollow,

      Why are you AFRAID to answer the question?

      June 24, 2014 at 1:10 am |
  18. fiftypercenthollow

    But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our inquities, the chastisement for our peace was upon him and by his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5

    Proven innocent according to Moss her self and this is our example. Not some fruitless pipe dream blood bath of frail human figures.

    June 24, 2014 at 1:07 am |
    • observer

      Stumped?

      June 24, 2014 at 1:08 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        But you wouldn't know would you? All powerful observer. Who has pure judgment.

        June 24, 2014 at 1:13 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow,

          lol. You are still COMPLETELY STUMPED about whether you believe and SUPPORT everything in the Bible.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:18 am |
      • lhovey1

        where is this 7 year old girl you speak of in the Bible?

        June 24, 2014 at 2:11 am |
    • G to the T

      Why do you quote Isaiah? Because you have been told it's foreshadowing for Jesus? Only to those that already believe this to be the case.

      June 24, 2014 at 8:17 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Well I regret to inform you that this IS the basis of the article is it not.

        June 24, 2014 at 2:22 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Jesus is not even a name used in the middle east....and the new testament says that an angel gave him that name when Mary was still carrying him so that was before he was theoretically born.....funny given a name that has nothing to do with the middle east...it's from the Greek ...why would this so called person be given a Greek inspired name but for the reason many early writing were translated by Greek writers and so made up and gave that name.....not to mention the 4 stories written by Mark ,Matthieu, John and Luke all disagree with each other on almost everything.....funny how some believe what they want.

          June 25, 2014 at 10:21 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Those gospels as you point out don't disagree and they all focus on different aspects of Jesus ministry. They actually fit the methods of early 1st century oratory in Rome. Telling the same story but highlighting different aspects.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm |
        • idiotusmaximus

          Actually no...but like I've said of fantasy believers before....their minds are made up and they don't want to be confused with facts....that don't fit what they want to believe.... like telling a child....THERE IS NO SANTA.

          June 25, 2014 at 3:45 pm |
  19. fiftypercenthollow

    All I have to say right now is cynicism promotes indifference. Indifference is what Candida should be writing about not devising a way to make her self look like a hero to the down trodden. She can't be serious about how presecution is the beginning of church.

    June 24, 2014 at 12:51 am |
  20. fiftypercenthollow

    Hey Candida Moss can pander to the masses all she wants about martyrs but someone needs to tell her to get off her cross. She writes a good book but who is she trying to convince using scriptures she cherry picks to sway.. christians?? She understands the signs but she doesn't see the times.

    June 24, 2014 at 12:40 am |
    • observer

      fiftypercenthollow,

      No one believes EVERY word of the Bible. That's why Christians especially just pick-and-choose.

      June 24, 2014 at 12:48 am |
      • fiftypercenthollow

        Maybe you don't and to state that everyone does because you say so is to be ignorant.

        June 24, 2014 at 12:53 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow,

          Speaking of IGNORANT, do you believe EVERY word of the Bible? Do you support SLAVERY like the Bible does?

          June 24, 2014 at 12:55 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          I'll just answer it with a question. Do you believe in employment?

          June 24, 2014 at 12:58 am |
        • observer

          Do you support SLAVERY like the Bible does?

          Do you believe it's okay to sell a 7-year-old girl to a stranger for his USE as a slave?

          June 24, 2014 at 1:01 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Do you believe that's alright??

          June 24, 2014 at 1:09 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          How bout this what do you think of America's record on out sourcing jobs and forcing to children to work?? Must be A ok right?

          June 24, 2014 at 1:11 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow,

          lol. Do you really think that you are FOOLING anyone other than yourself by REFUSING to answer?

          June 24, 2014 at 1:14 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          Hmmm. Fooling myself no. I know where I stand. You on the other hand are all questions and no substance. Weak..

          June 24, 2014 at 1:29 am |
        • observer

          fiftypercenthollow,

          Speaking of having NO SUBSTANCE, why are you such a COWARD about answering a simple yes-or-no question?

          June 24, 2014 at 1:31 am |
        • fiftypercenthollow

          You call me a coward but you have no idea what the context of that word entails. Don't make this into an argument. If you don't want to here an honest answer go crawl back to where you came from.

          June 24, 2014 at 1:43 am |
      • ck02623

        Lol you bully. He clearly didn't know it said that and now you're just being mean.

        June 24, 2014 at 1:17 am |
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