June 10th, 2010
02:19 PM ET

Anti-Islam party's success worries Dutch Muslims

Opinion polls had predicted the anti-Muslim Party for Freedom would do well in Dutch elections this week - but not this well.

Led by the controversial politician Geert Wilders, the party nearly tripled its representation in parliament, from 9 seats to 24, according to exit polls.

That has Dutch Muslims worried.

"We are all concerned now. It's like we are not welcome any more," said Ibraham Spalburg, the head of SPIOR, an umbrella organization of Muslim groups around the Dutch city of Rotterdam.

Once famously tolerant, Dutch "society has changed a lot in a very dramatic way," Spalburg said. "It's like Islamophobia. It's not nice any more."

Holland is not alone in its apparent distrust of its rapidly growing Muslim population.

Switzerland voted to ban minaret construction last year, and France and Belgium are considering bans on Islamic veils such as the burqa.

"Today's election result in the Netherlands is the latest evidence of rising anti-Muslim sentiment across western Europe," Lucy James, a research fellow at the Quilliam Foundation in London, told CNN.

"Far-right parties such as Wilders' have increasingly targeted anti-Muslim votes by manipulating popular grievances - such as economic recession, unemployment and housing - and laying the blame for these problems on Muslim immigrants," she said.

"Europe is therefore less witnessing a 'clash of civilizations' than a deft manipulation of people's fears by far-right populists," she said. The Quilliam Foundation describes itself as a "counter-extremism think tank."

Negative views of Muslims have become slightly more common in France and Spain in the past half-dozen years, while British and German views are about where they were in the middle of the last decade, according to Richard Wike, associate director of the Pew Global Attitudes Project.

British views toward Muslims are consistently less negative than those found in France, Germany and Spain, he added.

The project has not polled the Netherlands.

Spalburg understands that native Dutch people - especially older ones - may be nervous about the fast growth of the country's Muslim population. "They see minarets around them, or women with scarves, and they don't like to see them in the public space," he said.

The Netherlands has just under a million Muslims, representing 5.7 percent of the population, according to "Mapping the Global Muslim Population," an October 2009 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life in Washington.

It has relatively low levels of social hostilities related to religion, it found in a separate study, "Global Restrictions on Religion," in December.

But Wilders is fanning the flames with "propaganda," Muslim leader Spalburg says.

"Wilders is saying all the time he was wants to stop the Islamicization of Holland," Spalburg said.

Wilders - a potential kingmaker in the formation of the next Dutch government - faces criminal charges of inciting discrimination and hatred over comments he has made about Islam over the years.

They include an October 2006 interview with the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant in which he said he wanted to stop the "tsunami of Islamization," and another in September 2007 with Radio Netherlands in which he said the Quran should be banned.

Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online in March 2008 to international outcry, is also named in the charges against him. The film features disturbing images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran in order to paint Islam as a threat to Western society.

He is due to go on trial in October.

Last year he said he had "nothing against Muslims. I know the majority of Muslims in our society are law-abiding people."

"I have a problem with the Islamic ideology, the Islamic culture, because I believe that the more Islam we get in our free societies, the less freedom we will get," he added.

Spalburg disagrees.

"We don't want to be the cause of problems in society," he said. "There are always people who are more radical. We don't have everything under control, but 99 percent of people are not radical."

There is a possibility that the rise of Wilders' party will radicalize Dutch Muslims, Spalburg conceded, but he said his organization was working against it.

"We are trying to explain to Muslims, especially to young people, that they don't have to feel provoked," he said. "We have to stay calm and we have to show that we are normal people and don't want to make a problem in society, to show that Islam is a peaceful religion."

He took some comfort from the thought that Wilders still does not have widespread support.

"There are a lot of Dutch citizens even now who are very sympathetic towards us, towards Muslims," he said. "About 1.5 million people in the whole of Holland are supporting the policy of Geert Wilders," he said, out of a population of around 16 million.

"The majority are not supporting that, so there is a lot of hope," he said.

And Muslims were not leaving Holland, he added.

"We cannot go away," he said. "It is our country as well as the country of the Dutch citizens. There are people who have been here 40, 50 years. They are Dutch now."

CNN's Lianne Turner contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Islam • Politics

soundoff (386 Responses)
  1. boocat

    Did your mother have any children that lived?

    June 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm |
  2. Abd al-Latif

    Good old xenophobia...it's as old as mankind.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:58 pm |
    • Johannas Von Vilhelm

      xenophobia – irrational fear of peoples who are not like yourself, either in appearance or traditions.
      It's not so irrational once you consider the violence committed by these "freedom fighters" on behalf of their Prophet.
      The sad part is that with sweeping generalizations come vast amounts of people who are not accounted for – the "Good" Muslims who have no intention of committing violence. I'm not sure that community /can/ police itself. It hasn't been able to for a couple thousand years now. Good thing the US needs oil or this would've been settled with some tactical nukes in the 80's.

      xoxo, Johannas

      June 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm |
    • jonathan

      caused by Muslim intolerance of others and terrorist acts of suicide for the religion of peace!!!!!!!!!!

      June 11, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
  3. Johannas Von Vilhelm

    Welcome to what we call "backlash" – and by the way, it isn't racism when it's targeting a /religion/ and not a /race/. If Islamic fundamentalist extremist morons hadn't already killed 3k civilians in NYC – how many in Spain? – and how many in any other place Islamic law becomes the norm. It's done. The age of religion is over, and if you're not going to wake up to it, then you can just die asleep. xoxo, Johannas.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:56 pm |
    • sfhr

      and you still think that 9/11 was done by planned by some moron in Afghanistan (when Afghanistan is very well disconnected to outside world and people there don't know the life outside)? one word.. Wow

      June 10, 2010 at 4:45 pm |
  4. PeaceinMIDeast

    You guys are all dumb, you wanna talk about terror, crusaders anyone??? you didn't have a choice of religion with them. this whole European thing is strictly based on economy. Europe f'ed themselves, and now they need a scapegoat.

    There is a problem however, there are Muslims out there that are warmongers and there are also Muslims that precieve the Koran for what it is, Allah's word and that word is peace. Acceptance of other religious beliefs and the respect for everyone is also taught.

    Christianity has like seven branches, and some of them more crazy than next or last one. I am a Muslim, i have all kinds of friends which include Jewish people. so stop spewing your hate and get a long with your neighbors. i guarantee 80 percent of you either didn't make it through high-school or have you GED's.

    Oh and BTW, its not muslams its Muslims, go back to high school and get you GED on.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:54 pm |
    • Johannas Von Vilhelm

      Crusaders. That ended .. what? 500 years ago?

      Cool story, bro.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:12 pm |
    • Casual Observer

      The crusades are certainly nothing to be proud of – but why was there the need for the crusades? Seems like the followers of Islam had their own little regional crusades going on. Remember the Ottoman Empire – they had their own versions of the crusades – their victims are in the millions. The Muslims had a neat agreement with Nazi Germany and with the Kaiser in WWI – all with the intent of killing off the Jews. What happened to the religion of peace and respecting the "children of the Book" as mentioned by the Prophet in the Koran?
      The intent of the modern Muslim world is to recreate the Ottoman Empire and expand it – no what what they have to do to get it done. Given the tenants of Islam and how they are supposed to treat the poor etc – it seems that there is a severe disconnect between the Saudi Royal family and the other 995 of the country that has the same standard of living they had in the 10th century – nothing like progress.
      There are as many variations on the message of the Prophet as there are imans – and most of them are based on hate.
      Just listen to their words and watch their actions – they are not men of god. They dance to the beat of the gin.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm |
    • Kevin

      Crusades didn't end 500 years ago, more like 700. Not to mention every single one of them is dead now. Not to mention that no one here is touting Christianity to be any better than Islam. I'm sure most folks who know better would rather live in modern Iran than medieval England or France. Because yes, they were unbelievably intolerant back in those days.

      June 10, 2010 at 6:40 pm |
    • jonathan

      If what you say were only true..but we see in say Pakistan for instance where it is punishable by death to convert from the Muslim religion,,...In not one Muslim nation is tolerance ever practiced...Not even the very liberal Dubai...Thus your whole argument is debunked BIG TIME!!! by your own background...and your expression here is a great example of dishonesty of your very own religion....

      June 11, 2010 at 5:09 pm |
  5. boocat

    Being anti-Muslim is not racist. All different races practice Islam. I personally am anti-religion (all of them).

    June 10, 2010 at 3:51 pm |
    • Atheist

      Yes boocat, the problem is with 'belief' and 'faith'. Any and all kinds. It makes people stupid, even if they had a decent brain to start with. Plus religions force people to stay stupid, damning all education or books that may question them. If they didn't. they would lose too many of the suckers that follow them and finance them. In the end sucking the people dry economically is what it's all about.
      The reason Muslims are doing so well is, because they keep their members more stupid (uneducated) than anyone else.
      By also punishing them for following any entertainment, music, TV, videos you name it, they make their followers totally willing to commit suicide at a young age. Would YOU want to live like that?? 😉
      And then they promise them 72 virgins when they get to their non existent heaven. First of all, virgins? Give me a break. After having been into screwing chickens, sheep, goats and donkeys (as long as they are females!!!). Yea, Islam allows that but is intolerant of them buggering male animals. How idiotic does any religion have to be for people to recognize and avoid it?
      Finally, Muslims still bellyache about the crusades. Don't any of these idiots know that these were the reaction to them coming to the west and trying to inculcate people their with their new idiocy? These people had their own idiocy already, thank you (called Christianity)! And reacted by going to where the Muslims came from to give them something they would understand... which over time obviously got lost on them. So they are coming back for a second helping now?
      Human insanity

      June 12, 2010 at 1:24 pm |
    • Christopher Hitchens

      Whenever someone tells me how to live and think based on the rantings of an ancient goat-herder from the Middle East, I stop listening. People who believe in Bigfoot are so much easier to tolerate. There's no ideology or mysticism involved; just pure hillbilly stupidity I can easily overlook. I hope Wilders succeeds in his aims. If he does, watch the rest of Europe and the US race to follow his lead!

      June 13, 2010 at 3:49 am |
  6. relians

    in saudi arabia, a western "ally" the school books teach young arabs that jews are pigs, all non-muslims are dogs, and killing one is like killing an animal. this is the "friendly" islam. islam is like a dark shadow covering europe. everywhere the muslims go they try to change the country to their ways, not joining the country. the backlash is deserved and necessary.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:49 pm |
    • jonathan

      I have a great anti-virus for their religious ideas..I am waiting to destroy them (ideas) all at once...

      June 11, 2010 at 5:03 pm |
  7. Alison

    One in Six of the Dutch population voted racist. W*lders is a racist. Make no mistake. He craftily chooses his words to juxtapose criminals with 'foreigners'. Unfortunately things here in Holland look politically bleak. The trouble has been brewing for several years now, masked by the so-called Dutch-tolerance (which was never much more than an academic veneer – Skin Deep). Now, on national television a Volendammer (town here) can unabashedly state that foreigners are monkeys and he doesn't want them in Volendam. And one in six agrees with him. It's a sorry day.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:47 pm |
    • Selfish Gene

      Islam is a religion, not a race.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:12 pm |
    • Vinit

      "@Allison" there is nothing wrong with the Dutch, if yu ask a Hndu in India they will also say that they dont want a muslim in their neighbourhood, you never know when an imam in Soudi Arabia calls for a Jihad and he comes butchering me :).. so relax allison, your people are fianlly awakening and you kids will have a better future than to become muslims, cause islam will not stop untill you convert... 🙂

      June 10, 2010 at 6:13 pm |
    • Art

      This is just a guess, but perhaps the one in six Dutchmen are tired of the riots, the killings (remember Van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn who were killed by Muslims for speaking their minds?), the rapes of Dutch girls because they wear short skirts and therefore are called prostitutes and deserved it, the muggings, the insults, the threats and on and on. Why does Wilders need 24 hour police protection? What about Ayaan Hirsi Ali? She has death threats against her too. Sorry but wanting to live in peace and security in your own country, free from threats from ungrateful immigrants whom you you tolerantly let into your country is not racism, it's logical and smart.

      June 13, 2010 at 10:31 pm |
  8. hack61

    Suicide bombers and terror attacks were invented by the jewish people.Just ask the Brits how many times they were attacked back in the 40's and 50's , and it worked for them.This is how they stole Palistine as their home land.So all terrorist were trained by the jewish people.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:45 pm |
    • Bubba

      zion- Allah is God you donkey.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm |
    • boocat

      Zion, hack61 and bubba – – the three Stooges 2010 version....why don't the three of you take a long walk off a short pier?

      June 10, 2010 at 4:06 pm |
    • Bubba

      boocat- why don't you go buy yourself a slightly used brain?

      June 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm |
    • Johannas Von Vilhelm

      I do believe that complete and unilateral NATO backing helped a bit there.

      Or perhaps you don't recall it was NATO that formed Israel, not Israel.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:17 pm |
    • Bubba

      zion- I said I was sorry to offend donkeys by calling you one so that's not an option for you anymore. Since you apparently don't believe in God and have the guts to offend him like that, you better hope you're right. Good luck to you and goodbye moron.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm |
    • cbc

      to Johannas Von Vilhelm: How did NATO (which was formed in April 1949) form Israel in May 1948? Did they use that donkey wheel from "Lost"?

      June 11, 2010 at 4:04 pm |
  9. JK

    That's what happends when you have too much Democracy, Democracy is a good thing but you have to control it also.
    You can only blame the goverments for that, They are the ones who let this happen.
    It is important to preserve the beauty of our own indevidule cultures and races, Think about what would happen to that beauty if we all start intermixing with each other.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:42 pm |
  10. Adam


    June 10, 2010 at 3:39 pm |
  11. anon

    Not to worry. Europe goes through this every 50-60 years and now has developed a highly efficient system of racial management and tolerance in which Holland was a prime testing ground circa 1940-44. Besides, when the Europeans start rounding up people, they have always start with the Jews. So sit back, relax, and a read good book before they start burning them (I recommend the Diary of Anne Frank).

    June 10, 2010 at 3:38 pm |
    • sofiamx

      You are an idiot....

      June 10, 2010 at 4:41 pm |
    • Kevin

      Yes, he definitely is.

      June 10, 2010 at 6:35 pm |
    • Naana

      What an ignorant statement, how is Israel's immigration policy doing? How many non-Jews have they allowed to work and settle there?

      June 10, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
    • jonathan

      you'd make a tremendous prophet..don't just sit there...write a book, lest your ideas get buried...

      June 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
  12. Rick McDaniel

    Islam has made a very bad name for themselves, everywhere in the world, with their violence, and their intolerance of others.

    Changing that, will be a monumental task.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:29 pm |
    • jonathan

      They are such a threat , and rightfully so...The Lord has raised up the Muslims to give you a choice..Their religion or mines Christianity in it's original form I believe that as the world views the two and see which is better they will choose Christ in spirit and in truth even Muslims .... I am set to do battle with them; to fight them all at once to defeat them all together..That's 1.6 billion people against one...With Jesus this is easy to do...

      June 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
  13. USoldfolks

    Muslams have no room to talk about racism. Who have they ever been tolerant of? The are spreading over the world like a cancer, not to assimilate into the society, but to take over and change all cultures into their own image. Watch out USA, it's here to. Only when their moderate majority starts to control their radicals will we feel safe.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:15 pm |
  14. USoldfolks

    Jewish people never tried to change or take over the cultures they lived among.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm |
    • boocat

      But alot of them have a history of not assimilating either.....

      June 10, 2010 at 3:55 pm |
    • Buenaventura

      With the very notable exception of Palestine.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:06 pm |
    • sofiamx

      Not all jews asimilated but they didn't try to convert everybody else or threatened the life of others that made fun of their religion...they're not terrorists blowing themself up in embassies or landmarks or hijiking planes or kidnapping soldiers or attacking others that don't behave like them....

      June 10, 2010 at 4:40 pm |
    • zzmook

      Saying the Jewish people don't try to take over the culture is ridiculous – but saying that they at least publicly assimilate is not.

      The person addressing the Michigan "call to prayer" has a point – nobody should be able to ring a bell daily that can be heard a mile away at 6am unless there's a fire. But getting out of joint about a bunch of praying Muslims, I'm not with you. As long as they're not blocking your way, then let them have at it. And on the work site, as long as they're putting in the hours then whatever.

      Now, on the point of them wanting to instill Sharia law – no way. But, also, no way to laws based on Christian values either. Laws should be based on good sense, not religious texts. The separation of church and state is a really, really good thing. And yes, I am a Christian. Just one who understands and respects the values the USA was founded upon.

      June 14, 2010 at 3:17 pm |
  15. Peter

    Dear people, this is scary. Some of the rhetoric sounds very close to the way people were talking about jewish people several decades ago....think about it.

    June 10, 2010 at 3:02 pm |
    • Tim


      Nothing scary about speaking the truth. Muslims do not assimilate. You're either, a Muslim, or an infidel. Do you realize a non-Muslim can not even enter Mecca? What's up with that? And what's up with the burqa? How much more exclusionary can a human being become?

      Keep up the good work Geert. I saw Fitna and world events confirm your movie 100%.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:51 pm |
    • Vinit

      Whites are so scared of their past that they are equating jewish holocaust to the legitimate call to moderate Islam. Jews were not persecuted cause they were trigger happy, jews were not persecuted cause they would kill if you spoke against their relgion, jews were not persecuted cause they wanted to convert everyone to Islam, jews do not preach 72 virgins in heaven :)... Jews were persecuted cause they were successful applicationists who were industrial and knew how to make money anywhere in the world and yet they were also proud of their blood line, there is nothing wrong in that....so whites please come to yoru senses before you become a history .. words from Winston Churchill's book The River War from 1899: "Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step ... the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

      June 10, 2010 at 4:46 pm |
    • The Truth

      Peter, I have thought about it and there is no legitimate comparison between the treatment of Muslims and Jews. For starters, no one has talked about putting Muslims in concentration camps and/or gas chambers. For America's part, Muslims have emigrated to our country over the years and we let them in. Some (certainly not all) of those Muslims decided to thank us by killing thousands of our people on 9-11-01.

      I guess they think we should overlook that, especially since they conveniently had land purchased near the site of 9-11 and are using it to open a mosque there. Just a coincidence they claim. BULLCRAP!!! Think about it: they're erecting a shrine to the religious belief of the bombers who blew us up as close as they can to the site where it happened. Imagine what they would say IF a group of Christians slaughtered thousands of Muslims and then we put up a church right by the slaughter area. The Muslims, who claim to be such good people, decided that opening the mosque at the 9-11 site just wasn't enough; they're planning to open it on the anniversary of 9-11 !!!

      When it comes to religion, I'm generally very tolerant of other beliefs but there are limits. One of those limits includes the enslavement and abuse of women. They are forced to hide themselves almost completely from head to toe and Allah forbid they be found in the company of non-relative man or doing anything that might embarrass their husband. Worse, they marry off girls to adult men, sometimes old men, for the sake of alliances or other personal gain.

      Not all Muslims are bad, evil terrorists or that all of them hate the U.S. but, compared to other groups, a relatively much larger portion of them are terrorists or hate us and most times there is no way for us to know the difference between the bad Muslims and the innocent Muslims. Should we allow them into our country knowing that there is a far greater chance that any given one of them may try to kill us compared to other foreign people we could allow into our country instead? Add to that their faith-based exploitation of little girls and women and I think that is plenty of reason not to let them into our country!!!

      One final note: anyone think something is wrong when we can allow terrorist sympathizers to build a mosque at ground zero, but in the same city they can't turn on the Empire State Building lights for Mother Theresa? What the heck is wrong with the USA these days?

      June 10, 2010 at 6:48 pm |
    • WorldPeacePlease

      i cannot agree more.... just reading the article and reading the readers comments left my hairs standing up.... why dont we forget who is from what religion and treat each person for who they are. I am an American Muslim. born and raised in this country.... i come from a family of doctors, police officers, lawyers, and people who pay their debt to society. Law abiding people... if my country were to all of a sudden elect anti-muslim people.... i would be so shocked and afraid. And even if im Muslim and they were to elect Anti-Jewish or Anti-christian.... i would be just as afraid. because humans are humans no matter what religion they come from nobody should be subjected to that. Because if you flee, you have no where to turn, everything you would have built, your home and business...gone. But if you stay and defend yourself the world will call you unruley and unpeaceful. Any person in this situation is a person being unfairly treated... not just muslims.

      June 10, 2010 at 7:03 pm |
    • jonathan

      absolutely not true! Muslim nations like Pakistan should provide you with some idea of the truth..Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Even Indonesia ...all of these nations represent intolerance of others...This includes every Muslim nation on the earth....Westerners should watch out for the Islamic threat from every source....

      I am set for war on Islam...

      June 11, 2010 at 4:50 pm |
    • stephen douglas

      Peter, I get angry every time someone says this is like the Jews in WWII. It is not. The Jewish people were not sending out homicide bombers. The Jewish people assimilated for the most part with German society. They were persecuted by a madman who was on a mission not unlike the mission Muhammed was on, to take over the world.

      Muslims do not want to change the Qu'ran because it contains the actual words of God as given to a man who rode a flying horse to the temple mount and was told to build a mosque there. Then God also told him to "kill the pagens" "smite the unbelievers" "do not burden yourselves with prisoners until the people are subdued" "fight in the cause of Allah" and so on.

      I don't think the Jewsish people in Germany espoused any teachings like the Qu'ran. They were victims of a madman who used terror to control the population. Hmmmm, sounds like Muhammed – history repeating itself?

      The Dutch response is simply a response of frustration. They are fed up with Islam and Muslims. Hopefully, nations will eventually begin to take a bolder step and start to refuse recognition of Islam as a legitimate religion. It is an intolerant, vicious cult, nothing more.

      June 13, 2010 at 11:44 am |
  16. Naana

    The Muslims brought this on themselves.... Europe is fed up!

    June 10, 2010 at 3:00 pm |
    • mr. mark

      right on! the world is SICK of "Muslim rage". Name ONE accomplishment they've given mankind over the last 25 – hey – 50 years besides misery and death. they want to drag everyone back to the Stone Age because that's where they feel comfortable. If there are any "moderates" in that religion, time to step up and dial back the hate.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:09 pm |
    • USoldfolks

      Muslams have no room to talk about racism. Who have they ever been tolerant of? The are spreading over the world like a cancer, not to assimilate into the society, but to take over and change all cultures into their own image. Watch out USA, it's here to. Only when their moderate majority starts to control their radicals will we feel safe.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:11 pm |
    • Bubba

      This whole world is going mad. If I were a muslim living in Holland or any other country that elects idiots like this, I'd pack up and leave and once I got home, I'd make sure those people were told how welcome they were there. Who would want to live amongst a bunch of racist morons anyway? This is scary and anyone who thinks it's justified, keep laughing-you're probably next.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:57 pm |
    • Johannas Von Vilhelm

      Perhaps followers of the Muslim faith would find it easier to live in their HOLIEST OF HOLY LANDS .. which is not the Netherlands.

      June 10, 2010 at 4:10 pm |
    • sofiamx

      I'm sorry.....I agree with freedom of religion....but the extremists have taken this too far....I think the europeans didn't appreciate having their freedom of speech cut off because they can't print a cartoon of the prophet or any other similar notes and having cartoonist killed...so kind of brught this to themselves by being so intolerant to others....

      June 10, 2010 at 4:34 pm |
    • ScottK

      So when a Dutch Cartoonist does something that a religion dislikes the leaders of the religion condemn his act and some loyal radical assasinates him...
      And the Christians cant believe this kind of behaviour from a religion, something they would NEVER do... unless that Dutch cartoonist had say, been an abortion doctor or worked at a clinic, or married his gay partner, or wanted to have real science taught in schools instead of the fictional class "intelligent design".
      There is ignorance, hate & intollerance in every religion, and eventually no one will be safe to associate with them for fear of being labeled as such, which will be a very good day for the planet.
      As an insurance underwriter I dont think there would be any Religion in the world that I would approve for liabilitycoverage, they all have way to much risk of inciting their followers to commit either property damage or bodily injury to others.

      June 11, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
  17. Sint Aldegonde

    Wow, Muslims are not a racial group, Islam is not a race, it is a religion which is subject to criticism.

    June 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm |
    • gary provencher

      Sint, I am a muslim, and if you criticize me I will KILL YOU. Joking of course; Islam is NOT open to criticism, especially by infidels.

      June 12, 2010 at 10:46 am |
  18. Peter

    Scary...racism and hatred are still a danger to humanity in 2010. Good luck Dutch people.

    June 10, 2010 at 2:59 pm |
    • jess

      It's not a race moron.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:41 pm |
    • Steven

      I think you're talking about the islamic countries whose the racism, intolerance, inhumanity and hatred on the infidels are much worst!

      June 10, 2010 at 11:33 pm |
    • Holy Grail

      Since the advent of Islam, all religions/faiths have been persecuted, Hindus have been historically persecuted during Islamic rule of the Indian subcontinent. Millions coverted by sword, Thousands of Budhists/hindu monks were annihilated in the University of Nalanda and invaluable books fumed cause they were non islamic...check the wiki on nalanda and hindu persecution..I fear Europe is going the same way...
      In modern times, Hindus in the Muslim-majority regions of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh have also suffered persecution. Hinduism repects everyting that is living including plants and insects, sadly for us it includes Muslims with whome we have lived for over 1000 years and somehow managed to survive. The ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus in the 1980's within India has opened our eyes, we no longer have faith in our own hindu ideology that anyone can be won over by love, we have seen how muslims are and unfortunately some of our Hindu bretheren have taken to violence after intimidation from the muslims , ..however wrong but we do not live in isolation, our peaceful ways dont seem to work with muslims.. we are all the more resolved to suppress any hindu violence as opposed to just paying lip service as the muslims do in india for terrorists...the biggest celebrities and bollywood stars in india are Muslims(Shahrukh Khan, Salman Khan, Amir Khan, Saif Aii Khan) and this shows that by and large indian population does not subjugate or discriminate against muslims... At the same time I would like to say that Indian Hindus are utterly dissapointed and disillosioned with indian muslims who are pro-pakistan and pro-terrorists by and large...

      June 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
  19. suha

    that is to show you the PC cannot be imposed on one party the non-muslims while giving a blank check to the other. The truth of the matter, muslims done a zero effort to assimilate while maximizing efforts to turn Europe into the countries from which they came from. Second, it is a fact that the largest part of any social welfare program goes to muslims in Europe while at the same time their contribution in taxes is close to zero. So some parents decided enough is enough, my tax money for education should be spent on improving education services for the community not a portion of it.

    June 10, 2010 at 2:54 pm |
    • Peter

      Dear Suha, can you show some of your sources? Where do you get these numbers from?

      June 10, 2010 at 3:00 pm |
    • shakham

      Suha, there is a chinatown in every city you go to. Zero effort has been made to assimilate. People don't even speak the local language. China is also a communist country with nukes, hardly a friend.

      Same case could be said for Indians. There is an little India everywhere. No assimilation.

      Why don't you have an issue with any of these folks?

      Also, people of color....many are not muslim.

      June 10, 2010 at 3:45 pm |
    • Bil

      you realize Islam is a religion,belief,an idea!!! You can NOT condemn an idea, its illogical to do so. this party's purpose to exists is a purpose of hate. This is like the KKK in the USA. Hate my friend, is exactly what this party seems to accuse Islam of, however, the soul of this party is to hate. If the party was to say we are against immigration i would understand but this, this is stupid...

      June 10, 2010 at 6:27 pm |
    • Reecie

      I don't think much of the problem is the fact that they don't want to assimilate (even though its there) But that they are so different from the countries where they want to live. I think that they should go with the laws and norms of those countries because If western women went to the middle east and other muslim countries they would have to wear the veil or the burqa or be in Purda or whatever is was the norm over there for women. So why is it that they should go to other countries and not want to do what is the norm there?

      June 10, 2010 at 7:07 pm |
    • Michael, Chapel Hill

      Sudha, you said it!

      June 12, 2010 at 8:35 am |
    • Chinese Immigrant

      This is in response to Shakham's reply. Please don't make assumption based on 1 or 2 people you have met in Chinatown. Elderly immigrants might not speak the language but their children and grandchildren do. Most Chinese immigrants like my parents and myself have learned to adopt the Western culture while still retaining our own culture. We know that in order to succeed in a different country, we have to change our way of life and infuse the Western one into ours. BTW – many Chinese immigrants do not come from communist China. They come from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam...

      June 15, 2010 at 10:13 am |
  20. wow

    This is getting out of hand...racism is a strong illness spread by ignorant politicians for the sole purpose of getting elected in office, sole purpose of striving off the power over the people.

    June 10, 2010 at 2:28 pm |
    • boocat

      Islam is not a race!!! It's a religion!!! Jeezy Creezy!

      June 10, 2010 at 3:53 pm |
    • sfhr

      @boocat – and how do you compare this to what happened with Jews in 1930s and 40s in Europe?

      June 10, 2010 at 4:19 pm |
    • Vinit

      Is there a religion in this world or in the entire universe that Islam does not have a problem with? I see them fighting with all the religions/beliefs of this world...Please do let me know so that I can convert to it to save my life ....words from Winston Churchill's book The River War from 1899: "Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. No stronger retrograde force exists in the World. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step ... the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

      June 10, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Dear God:

      All religion is in some way bad. Catholicism has definitely had it's moments in the past, Jews are blamed for almost everything (mainly by Muslims and Nazis) however ISLAM has become perverse and nearly taboo due to the amount of hate and injustices that come from the culture as a whole. The good Muslims of the world should do more to stop this from happening because it may not be something that can be reversed. Are you really that afraid of AchmedJihad and King Paula Abdullah?

      June 10, 2010 at 5:45 pm |
    • bob

      to: sfhr
      why does everything have to go back to the jews? This is nothing like that. Maybe if certain groups of people would try and adapt to the culture of the country they immigrate to, then there wouldnt be large populations of people that to a local, looks like they are getting crowded out.......

      June 10, 2010 at 6:15 pm |
    • Tojp

      Islam is not a race...

      June 10, 2010 at 6:25 pm |
    • Bird

      Are you suggesting that perhaps certain segments of Islam are not trying to impose their control over established cultures? Human history is all about power struggle.

      June 10, 2010 at 6:58 pm |
    • Zak from Israel

      I don't agree with you.
      Racism IS bad, but this time around the fight is against a fascist ideology.
      I may not agree with the way Geert is taking the fight
      but often enough we just see the problem growing.

      I have a problem with Muslims, Jews and Christians who are fundamentalist
      who are anti-secular
      anti-women rights
      Cause I care for the western values and freedoms I grew up on.

      Peace out.

      June 10, 2010 at 8:08 pm |
    • Robin Hagendoorn

      If you studie the historical sources of the bible and the koran, you'll discover that there are slite, but importand differences. One of the most importand one is the view on abraham and witch son he had to sacrifice. According to the koran Allah had said, that he should take his son Ismael to sarifice him And that Ismael is the son of the promise. and the blble says that Isak should be sacifised. And that Isak is the son of the promise. A hudge diffeence,causing the middle east conflict.

      June 11, 2010 at 9:05 am |
    • WorldPeacePlease

      Zack from Isreal..... Its nice to hear that some people are holding accountable the right people. I am from Lebanon, i have many many close friends who are from all over the world including Isreal, and together although we come from diffrent faiths...never once will you hear blame being put on the people of a certain religion as a whole... we blame the crazy extremists who have been put in power. More than that.. we stand together, and although alot of uneducated people are told other wise.... all of the Three Great religions come from the same seed. I wish people would take time to learn before generalizing. 🙂

      June 11, 2010 at 9:40 am |
    • jonathan

      Islam is an intolerant religion..it is like dirt that gets in your house...if you don't vacuum, it will take over eventually ...

      June 11, 2010 at 4:40 pm |
    • tedon

      Fifty percent of young dutch man are Muslims! Would that get you worried?! The Dutch jails are overflowing the Muslims. They kill anyone who critisizes with their way of life. They abuse the local welfare systems. And they do not accept Western values.

      June 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm |
    • Ligaya

      VINIT, that's what I noticed also in this modern age of us it seems Islam and Muslims cant fit to live and be tolerant of other religions. In modern conflicts of this modern world its always agaisnt Mulsims versus somebody else. In India, Muslims vs Hindus, in the Philippines and Lebanon, Muslims vs Christians, in Israel, Muslims vs Jews, in Thailand, Muslims vs Buddhists, in China Muslims vs the govt, in Muslims countries its Muslims vs Muslims like Sunnis vs Shiates, etc etc etc.Now in Europe they cant fit to live in European societ that they are demanding sharia law be imposed in Europe so they can fit.

      June 11, 2010 at 7:06 pm |
    • chris

      any culture that devalues 51% of their population (complete supression of all female input or influence) will always be an inferior society. They are doomed to fail and don't even know it. They are so unfun. Hey lets take off this weekend and go any where in the middle east! I rather work through the weekend, or have some dental procedures done. These poor folks are suffering from chronic lack of any pleasure in life.

      June 12, 2010 at 12:34 am |
    • ssk


      Islam is not a religion. It is medieval political philosophy, read barbarism, dressed up in Allah's clothes and enforced with a sword. It is a philosophy where every questioning, every rejection and every disagreement of opinion become a heresy. It is a philosophy in which all laws are forever etched in stone.

      June 12, 2010 at 7:55 am |
    • Someone

      Islam is a peaceful religion: really? Immediate jihad is waged if you doubt it.
      Muhammad is a messenger of God? Satanic fatwa is awarded if you doubt it.
      Islam respect women? We whip them if they doubt it.
      Islam respect other religions? We demolish their temples and deities. There is no deity but allah.
      Islam respect followers of other religions? We kill them they are infidels.
      Muslims are loyal to the country where they live in? We break the country if we are large enough in number. Sometimes we send our sons to liberate our brothers and sometimes invite foreign muslim brothers to liberate us.
      Muslims are suppressed in non-muslim countries? We don't suppress non-muslims, we have cleansed them long ago.
      Muslims don't get jobs? We don't get jobs even we are so learned, even when we are Hafiz (memorized kooran by heart). Even when our children are so intelligent, we keep brainwashing them since their births.
      Muslims integrate with locals? What is the problem if we wear hanging Pyjamas even in Alaska (muslims in arabia were used to wear pyjamas enough above the ankle in order to avoid tearing at the bottom due to friction with the sand) .
      Muslims are hated by others? We don't hate non-muslims, allah hates them.
      Kooran is the words of God? Who dares to doubt it, even if it is full of satanic verses. We have traded our brains with solidarity.
      So many muslims are killed worldwide daily in militant activities? Who cares, we are the fastest growing religion. We produce 20 children per woman; fodder for the canons.
      Muslims are modern and civilized people? Thank to allah, who has given us oil and sharia laws. Having oil we don't need to use our brains (if there is any) to get money for modernisation. And we have provided eternity to our civilization after anchoring it with Sharia.
      Muslims retaliate when they are oppressed? Who says, muslims start a conflict, we have right to hurt others, non-muslims are already guilty of not believing in muhammad.
      World evaluates you by your behavior, not by your name. Please correct your behavior first and be civilized so that world does not need to civilize you with bamboo sticks. It's high time to bring muhammad and islam to justice. Also, in view of the latest developments, it seems that muslims world wide are persona non grata. It is in their interest that they should leave non-muslim countries as soon as possible, otherwise, I can foresee that days are coming soon when muslims will be kicked out from these countries forcibly and bluntly, the way it is happening in many parts of the world.

      June 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm |
    • naomi chambers

      Islam is not a race!!! It is a religion.

      Islam is completely against democracy in every form. Islam is not good for humanity, neither Westerners or Muslim people. We need to keep our governments secular by any means possible

      June 13, 2010 at 2:16 am |
    • Richard

      "It is not their country anymore. It is our's?????? Muslim's!!!!! The Netherlands better get with it or they are going to be subjugated to that dammed sharia law!!!

      June 13, 2010 at 11:43 am |
    • rs1201

      Jews were not blowing up buidlings or jumbo jets or killing innocent innocent people indiscrimnately and without remorse...as a matter of fact...muslims were seen celebrating their success at killing innocent people. What happened to Jews in Germany in the 1930s is a totally different scenario.German Jews were doctors, lawyers, university professors, and generally highly educated successful segment of the population. A house painter such as hitler was irritated by the Jews' success and used them as a scapegoat. Absolutely nothing to do with muslims around the world. Although most Musliims are peaceful, there's hundreds of thousands...if not millions or Muslims who engage in terrorist activities. No country will or can tolerate that. Muslims have to police their own people...if they don't, the rest of the world will.

      June 14, 2010 at 6:44 am |
    • sfhr

      @rs1201- Western nations only give a person immigration visa if he/she has certain qualifications. So the Muslims who emigrate to western nations from their homeland are well educated and peaceful. They also bring well defined family values (which is dying in holland) along with them and they do not usually enforce it on other people. I think this Wilder guy is using Muslims as a samething as you proclaim German did with Jewish people (a scapegoat). Also, if you do not agree with me, go and interview the people who have legally migrated from muslim countries and review the immigration laws.

      @bob – Jewish people had their own culture (different from mainstream culture) when they were prosecuted by Nazi's. They also dressed, eat, and lived differently compare to mainstream culture as Muslims usually do in western nations. By the way, Jewish people still have very distinct culture.

      June 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    • mps543

      when i can carry a bible in saudi arabia without fear, i will fear bad for the muslims in europe. until then, tough luck.

      June 15, 2010 at 10:21 am |
    • Alex

      Jews weren't going around blowing up people/buildings, forcing conversions, ethnically cleansing, raping, robbing. Don't dare compare the two.

      June 24, 2010 at 12:55 pm |
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