June 23rd, 2010
10:09 AM ET

Doubting the apostle images

Writes one reader about yesterday's announcement that archeologists have found the oldest known image of the apostles Andrew and John in Rome:

absolute and utter nonsense. the article is irresponsible in not making clear to the reader that these images were created hundreds of years after the fact by enemies of Christ (Romans) who subsequently saw it as political beneficial to gain political control of the otherwise uncontrollable christian cult for the purpose of expanding the roman empire.

 The Roman Catholic Church was established starting with the conference in Nice (322 AD). The images are those of Romans/Italians and bear no relationship whatsoever with the actual people. It is utterly incorrect and misleading to refer to these as "images of apostles" or even worst stating that they are the "oldest known". We must categorically reject the continued propagation of such shameless falsehoods almost 2000 yrs later in this 21st century. These are no more the apostles than Michaelangelos' images of his uncle in churches across our nation are true images of Jesus. The life of jesus and the apostles and emulating it is what we should obsess over – not ancient Roman propaganda.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Art • Christianity

soundoff (30 Responses)
  1. Luke Myintthu

    In essence of the Kingdom of God, it is not the structures of political system, economic system, education system, defense system, military offensive system, or the system & management of the church, it is guidance of holy spirit that we may know what to do next in times of crises or peace so as to save all humans’ souls by the mercy of Jesus, not necessarily building perfect society of utopia. This Holy Spirit may be poured out to humans only upon our making efforts to pray and to follow the will of making effort to pray if not to the end of sainthood, to a certain extent to rise above the levels of temptations that each human will face inevitably.

    In every structure of every system that involves the operations of the very humans, whose errors may be forgiven, but whose lack of Holy Spirit may never be transfigured; thereby errors of holy spirited humans may never be failed; but, victories of humans who lack holy spirit will never be achieved to the Divinity only relocating, not eliminating, the sins in the society that will never allow us, humans, to achieve the optimal level of harmony.

    May all humans realize that the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is ministry of Jesus who is God, Love, Life, Just, and Truth and who has come and shown us that we, humans, are not human beings having spiritual experience; we, humans, are spiritual beings having human experience.

    When we corporatenize the Ministry of Divinity whose head is Jesus Christ, we will lose the real value of Divinity that is indescribable in humans’ understanding and concepts and that is beyond this world.

    The view of Corporatenizing the Christianity is the view of the person who posted the message that is picked by CNN.

    Corporatenize (the Christianity): View Jesus Christ’s Ministry of Church (Ministry of Divinity) in human’s perceptions, concepts, and understandings.

    June 25, 2010 at 1:17 am |
  2. George

    I wish cartoon characters looked more like real movie stars! What nonsense.

    June 25, 2010 at 12:07 am |
  3. VSSaucouer

    I should have mentioned that Ignatius according to early biographies was a convert to the Church and a disciple to the Apostle John. During a long voyage from Antioch to Rome to be executed he composed six letters to churches in Asia Minor and Europe: Epheus, Magnesia, Troas, Rome, Philadelphia, and Smyrna. He also a wrote a personal missive to St. Polycarp (c.69 – c.155, a disciple of St. John the Apostle as well), the bishop of Smyrna. In his epistles he testifies to early Christian teaching about marriage, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the primacy of the Roman Church, and the authority of priests and bishops. (the above is taken from "The Fathers of the Church: An Intoduction to the First Christian Teachers" by Mike Aquilina.

    June 24, 2010 at 11:51 pm |
  4. VSSaucouer

    St. Ignatius of Antioc writes:
    "Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

    June 24, 2010 at 11:22 pm |
  5. Luke Myintthu

    Without referring to Bible –> prove Jesus was born???

    Hahahaha... without referring to internet –> prove there is cnn.com??? May I reply like this.

    Without referring to books, audio CDs, and video DVDS,

    There exist humans in the world in the milky ways galaxy in the universe.

    In this very world, there are air, water, soil, and fire or light.

    If all these things are for humans, whom humans should be worshiped???

    oneself or ONE who created all these things.

    June 24, 2010 at 8:56 pm |
  6. sjenner

    I believe the phrase "absolute and utter nonsense" applies to the poster's comment. I suspect the poster comes from a deeply conservative Evangelical tradition that finds it impossible to believe that his or her ancestors could have, at one point, taken communion from a priest. But the history is the history. It's certainly not wrong to be Protestant or to believe that the Catholic Church got derailed some time round the [pick your century]. Certainly, there's more than enough fodder for complaint. But to deny the authenticity of these images as a genuine expression of Christian sentiment at an early stage of Christian formation is deeply ignorant.

    June 24, 2010 at 5:52 pm |
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