July 15th, 2010
03:31 PM ET
Victims' group: new Vatican abuse guidelines 'a tiny step'
SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, has a response out on the new guidelines put out by the Vatican.
David Clohessy, director of SNAP, posted on their website Thursday:
You can read the full statement from SNAP here.
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hey people i think you all missed the larger and more important point.....and that is, women who try to become ordained priests will be prosecuted, with swift vengence. to actually put this in clearly shows Rome's ignorance and unwillingness to address the problem.
@catholic mom 1) your logic is so flawed..you sound like "everybody is doing it" why pick on little ole RCC? and if the baptists were to jump off a cliff......hahaha
2) you say you have faith in the big JC standing by his church and revealing the truth....well now would be a good time to get off his ass, don't you think?
don't get me wrong i was well brought up with the baltimore cathechism...but unfortunately could not answer my questions. doesn't instill much faith. faith is hoping the check will clear...i, on the other hand, prefer cash.
What are the questions that you couldn’t get an answers to? There is now a ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church’ which explains any question I have ever had and it is easy to read and understand.
It appears that you don’t understand why women cannot become ordained priests in the Catholic Church…..Priests stand in for Jesus Christ, called Personna Christi. Jesus was a man; the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ; Priests are married to the Church [Personna Christi] and most love their Spouse and would want no other; Marriage is between a man and a woman, making a covenant with Jesus Christ. So a woman could not take Christ’s Bride, the Church, for her Spouse; the Church cannot change the Truth to suit people’s ideas of today if it goes against the Truth. We know that Truth is constant, never changing. At least we have that stability in our lives, thank God!
God bestowed wonderful gifts upon women; His Mother, a woman, had the highest honor a person could ever receive….she was the vessel which brought Jesus to the world. We have Mary as our model of perfection--be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect, the Bible tells us. When a man and woman unite in the Sacrament of Matrimony, they have the gift of possibly bringing life to the world as long as they remain open to this covenant with God. No others are to partake of this marital covenant except a man and a woman, married to each other.
It sounds as though you have rejected Jesus Christ and now money is your God.
Note on catholic mom, a priest. The RCC has won through manipulation and deceit, don't expect those who engage in such deceit to practice honesty. "Catholic mom" is a nice fool name when they want to act out as if all this rubbish is "mom" approved.
Hope you all get it now.
At first I couldn’t figure out what you were saying; then it dawned on me; YOU THINK I AM A PRIEST!! No one has ever flattered me in such a wonderful way in my whole life! I try really hard to make sure that my posts are truthful on every point; thank you for noticing my efforts.
More subsequent demands. There is no appeasement and there will never be, for if there were these organizations would cease to exist. If the Church would meet all the demands of David Clohessy, at the very instant of meeting the last demand, he would create more. Yes, much must be done to prevent these things form ever happening again, but criticizing the Church and the Pope after every step taken is senseless and irresponsible, for it does nothing for SNAP, but land it in news networks. The world is aware of these atrocious sins, and they will not be forgotten by the Church or the people. SNAP ought to give time for the reforms of the Church, whatever they may be, to be put into practice instead of slamming them on the ground before they have even been put to work. The reforms in the US speak for this. They have worked and have been very successful.
Thank you for you will stated thoughts.
Is not this topic a bit overdone? The RCC is collapsing from within for many reasons. Might as well watch as all of Christianity also slowly passes into oblivion. Jesus simply did not rise from the dead and was never some son of some three part god. Add to this the pedophilia in the RCC, the Seventh Day Adventists, the Southern Baptist Convention, and the very "Christian" Boy Scouts and one can hear the foundations crashing.
And not to mention all the other denominations which have added to the number of abused children on file of the above mentioned organization. They claim that their total is created not just by Catholic Priests but by every other denomination. Where are the guidelines put forth by these groups?
@CatholicMom.... I think @Reality is mentioning the full demise of 'christianity' in general, and does mention several other denominations of christianity..........not commenting on where are the guidelines for the other groups.
II think Reality is capable of responding if Reality wants to....you perhaps are just a little disturbed that someone might begin to realize that child abuse has taken place in every denomination, Christian, or not, and that the total number of abused children on file with this organization [snap] comes from other groups as well as from Catholic personages. And I am just curious as to why they withhold any guidelines submitted to them by these other religious denominations….. I know that is a fair inquiry. If Reality doesn't want to speak out about the lack of guidelines from other denominations, maybe someone else will. Why didn’t you, Peace2all?
@CatholicMom.....Hey there..... Nope, please go back over my post to yours. I was noting that your posting totally missed that @Reality had mentioned other christian denominations. Also, @Reality seemed to be commenting on the fall and demise of ALL christian religions. Yes, everyone is aware that it happens in all denominations.
The catholics, are apparently the largest denomination of christianity( and biggest offender of these atrocious crimes). As such, it seems that you are trying to defend and pass the buck and 'wonder why other denominations, etc..etc...'
Everything I have read states that the Catholic denomination is the largest however numbers of abuses is lower percentage wise compared to others denominations. Apparently the Catholic Church is still being persecuted but it is no surprise. [I am not defending sin here but I am defending the Church.]
Your defense of the RCC will do nothing to prevent its collapse as its severely flawed theology and history crushes it to Mother Earth. And by the way, even the RCC admits that pedophilia in the RCC priesthood is equal to that of other denominations not lower. Just more proof that all denominations are human denominations.
That is wishful thinking, Reality, on your part; don’t you believe the Words of the Bible? Jesus Christ promised to be with His Church, guiding and revealing the fullness of Truth until the end of time and the devil will not prevail against it. This is what I have faith in. What do you have faith in?
CatholicMom asks, "What do you have faith in?". Common sense and the truth. Once again, Jesus was a simple preacher man who was made into a god by Paul et al using the necessary accessories of Pontius Pilate and a fictional resurrection and an ascension. I recommend a few days of "Googling" or "Binging" the words "historic Jesus studies". Include in your search for the truth the names of the following NT historians/theologians : Schillebeeckx, Crossan, Armstrong, Borg, Funk, Vermes, Pagels, Meyer, Mack, Doherty, Ehrman, Eisenman, Fredriksen, Ludemann, Macoby, Meier, Sanders, Freke and Gandy, Horsley, Johnson, Wright, Strauss, Reimarus, Holtzmann, Bultmann, Kasemann, Robinson, Jefferson and Schweitzer.
I find it incredible that there are actually such things as "Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests"!
Is SNAP a non-profit organization with 9,000 members?
SNAP has no credibility at all. Like many orgainizations that started out with good intentions, they have degenerated into a group of people who depend on a crisis for their paychecks. They are in it for the money and publicity. It is to their advantage (read= paycheck) to keep things stirred up.
Imagine the victim before SNAP? This large organization denying harm to the many victims. Many victims committed suicide and others mentally ill due to the abuses.
There is more credibility in SNAP's little finger than this entire RCC organization of lies and deceit.