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August 5th, 2010
10:34 PM ET

A mosque, a strip club or a toxic waste site?

From CNN Senior National Editor Dave Schechter:

Would you be more comfortable with a strip club in your neighborhood than a mosque? What about a toxic waste site? I admit those questions sound extreme, but considering the opposition to the proposed location of mosques in this country, perhaps they’re not so far-fetched.

Look beyond the controversial Islamic center and mosque to be situated in a building (above) near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York City.

In the New York City borough of Staten Island, the board of a Catholic Church reversed an agreement initially made by its pastor to sell a building that formerly housed a convent to Muslims seeking to create a mosque and community center.

“There is a sense of sadness because people are so much misinformed in their opposition,” said Hesham El-Meligy, of the Arab Muslim American Federation. “You would think we’re in Nazi Germany and Muslims are Jews. I mean people are claiming so much nonsense. I know myself and I know Muslims. I don’t know where they get this information. Why don’t they ask a Muslim?”

In Murfreesboro, Tenn., hundreds of people opposed to construction of a mosque held a public rally. Hundreds have attended meetings of the Rutherford County planning commission, which has approved the plan, and similar numbers may turn out at next week’s meeting. A Republican candidate for Congress proclaimed that the mosque was "designed to fracture the moral and political foundation of Middle Tennessee."

In Temecula, Calif., the idea of local Muslims building a larger mosque sparked fears. "The Islamic foothold is not strong here, and we really don't want to see their influence spread," Pastor Bill Rench told The Los Angeles Times.

"There is a concern with all the rumors you hear about sleeper cells and all that. Are we supposed to be complacent just because these people say it's a religion of peace? Many others have said the same thing."

That attitude confounded at least one Muslim community leader.

"Our children go to the same schools their children go to. We shop at the same stores where they shop," said Mahmoud Harmoush, the imam of the Islamic center and an instructor at the California State University-San Bernardino's World Languages and Literatures Department.

"All of a sudden our neighbors wake up and they're opposed to us building the Islamic center there, the mosque. I hope it's a small group," Harmoush told the Times.

Back to Manhattan for a moment. Arsalan Iftikhar is a Washington, D.C.-based human rights attorney and creator of http://www.themuslimguy.com. His book, Islamic Pacifism: Confessions of a Muslim Gandhi, is to be published next January.

Referring to the “ground zero” controversy, Iftikhar asks: “So, to the fear-mongering xenophobic opponents of this mosque; my only question is this: How far away would be acceptable for you? Five blocks away? Ten blocks? Twenty blocks?”

That question would seem to apply to other locales in this country.

Washington Post contributor Pamela Taylor advertises herself as a “Muslim. Feminist. Progressive.” and recently offered this advice: “American Muslims and our friends must redouble our efforts to show how ludicrous the fears that right wing and conservative media have been whipping up actually are."

"As for those who are so scared by Muslims, I suggest you get to know some of us," she wrote. "Before you picket to forbid a proposed mosque, go meet the people who are going to pray in it. Before you burn that Qur'an, read a few pages of it.”

There are some 2.5 million Muslims in the United States, according to the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. As their numbers grow, American Muslims are moving to communities where many people may never have met a Muslim and have little knowledge of Islam, creating the potential for greater understanding and awareness.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • Houses of worship • Islam • Mosque

soundoff (79 Responses)
  1. amuslim

    By the Almighty God full of Grace and Compassion.

    In all honesty, I would usually never respond to such controversy because I trust in my fellow Americans. It's usually the extreme fringe that does this, most of my Christian/Jewish/other neighbors/boss/coworkers treat me wonderfully. The strength and loudness of this protest shook me enough to start talking in this case.

    BTW if I may be uncharacteristicly bold as to presume to say such to a person I am not talking to face to face and do not know: Thank you for your service. I honor you because you bring honor to us through your sacrifice.

    August 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      Assalam Alaikum, i just wanted to say, you shorted it up beautifully. Jummah Mubarak.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:37 pm |
    • A Soldier Deployed

      I thank you.

      Our Lord is most merciful. He is a God of wisdom and reason. Having granted us the ability to learn and understand our world. He also granted us an insatiable desire for knowledge. To seek and enlighten, to improve our society. The same people who hate all muslims are the same in character as the extremists who attacked all of God's children on 9/11. They would seek to destroy our freedom, our will, our understanding. In the name of blind vengence. May we seek justice and understanding instead.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:58 pm |
  2. A Soldier Deployed

    pink hijab and amuslim. Know that you have allies. Our Republic is stronger than ignorance. While the ignorant will languish, we who are wise and enlightened will spread the truth. I am a strong traditional Roman Catholic. I hate to see the lies and wickedness spread about your faith. Most of these individuals couldn't identify the Imam as a Sufi. Much less the difference between a Sufi, Twelver Shia and a Sunni. Bismillah al-Rahman al-Raheem we will have peace and our children's children will be free together.

    August 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm |
    • amuslim

      I thought I hit reply. Please see response below.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      InshAllah, God willing!!

      August 6, 2010 at 3:38 pm |
  3. pink hijab

    Fuuny, this am i tried posting something that had absolutely nothing wrong on it, and it was never posted. Really bad job for the moderators here, allowing other people to spew hate and for my post, in which i was inviting people to take time out this weekend to actually go visit a mosque or get to know a muslim person, was decided it wasnt good? May Allah's peace be with you all... lets see if this one goes through...

    August 6, 2010 at 2:20 pm |
  4. whatinit

    I would prefer a strip club than a feminist women with head scarves.pathetic!

    August 6, 2010 at 1:36 pm |
    • pink hijab

      Astagfirullah, hope you know that in the day of judgement, even your eyes will testify for you and whatever you allow your eyes to see and your tongue to speak and your limbs to do... Good luck with your strip club sir, i rather keep my scarf on my head...

      August 6, 2010 at 2:23 pm |
  5. whatinit

    Here is couple more.. to choke for Feminist Progressive Muslim Pamela Taylor.
    Where do you pray in the mosque? Either in last row(s) or store room next to the prayer hall? Why in the world a Feminist attracted to this cult? Every religion except Islam allow their women to pray either side by side or in the front rows. What a shame to Feminism!!

    What is your opinion on Female Genital Mutilation? Try something else instead of saying its a culture issue.

    August 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm |
    • amuslim

      Try going to many mosques in east asian countries... the women pray beside the men (seperately, yes, but I see no problem with that).

      Whatinit: What is your opinion on Female Genital Mutilation? Try something else instead of saying its a culture issue.

      It's a horrible practice that should be banned the world over with no concessions for traditions/sensitivities.

      Next?

      August 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm |
    • TrueFax

      You've never been in a temple the women and men are on separate isles, this actually happens in some churches as well. This happens all over the place i.e. convents and monasteries, girls and boys schools, wake up moot.

      FGM is abhorrent, it is not a part of Islam it is something Africans practiced since before the Iron Age. There are Islamic nations that practice this as a mechanism of domination but it has no part in the religion anymore than witch hunts do in Christianity.

      Did you know that in this very America adulterers were flogged, come on people crack a history book. Things have to taken in context, and honestly just posting mistranslated passages that don't even relate the context of the verse is just evil and hatemongering, so shame on those that did it.

      Arguments should stand on their own merit don’t rely on lies to get your point across.

      August 31, 2010 at 12:18 pm |
  6. whatinit

    What did Pamela Taylor (Muslim. Feminist. Progressive) say about
    1) Stoning by death for adultery – I don't need to give example in googlage.
    2) Amputations for thefts
    3) Rape victim should bring at least 4 witnesses. (If witnesses were around why dont they stop rape in the first place)
    4) Women's value is 1/2 of Man
    ..
    ..

    August 6, 2010 at 1:16 pm |
  7. St.Nick

    Cluebat to Idiotarians: Imam Rauf and Cordoba House already have a mosque in New York City!
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2462

    This has NOTHING to do with our tolerance of Muslims and everything to do with Rauf's sharia-inspired intentions to torment infidels and desecrate Ground Zero.

    August 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm |
    • Joamiq

      The imam is a Sufi. If you knew the slightest thing about Islam, you'd know that that means that extremist Muslims consider him their enemy.

      August 26, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
  8. Acroyear

    In my neighbourhood? No problem with a mosque...at least no more problem then I'd have with any religious institution that insists on waking me up at the crack of dawn with bells, calls to prayer, singing praises to Jesus. The point being, I have no objections to a mosque... my objects are to a center for Islam at THAT location.

    And to answer the question of where? To me, four blocks is a reasonable enough distance. Close enough that those who want to can visit both locations, yet far enough that, at least to me, it's not salt rubbed into a still bleeding wound.

    Fair or not (btw, who the heck said life is fair?) just or not... Islam is perceived as the enemy of freedom and choice by the Western world, and Sahria as the sort of abomination that the West took centuries to shake off, and went through bloody wars to finally realize was wrong.

    By putting an Islamic center at THAT location, this is saying that once again the Muslim community does not care about Western traditions and feelings and that WE must adapt to it, not it to us. That's a wall, not a bridge.

    How would anyone react to German veterans building a memorial to their own died in Poland a few hundred feet from Auschwitz? Does that thought, even though the vast majority of Germans are good people and had nothing to do with that place, not make your skin crawl?

    It is not the center I protest to, it is the utter distain and callousness to the feelings of others I protest...and which will also make the stated goal of this place impossible.

    August 6, 2010 at 12:09 pm |
  9. Frogist

    LoL Reality, got any new material? The old stuff is getting cliched.

    August 6, 2010 at 11:40 am |
  10. Pink Hijab

    Each and one of you out there bashing muslims and Islam, i have a challenge for you, why don't you take some time this weekend, and seriously, go pay a visit to a mosque , talk to the folk there or ask to speak to the Imam, ask any and as many questions you have or doubts about Islam, go with an open heart and mind and you will be very surprised to learn that most of the things you read on the media are non sense. Get to know a muslim, i'd be thrilled to have someone come up and talk to me at the store , or anywhere else, rather than having them look at me with suspicion or fear or wondering if i am an oppressed woman. Peace to you all.

    August 6, 2010 at 11:31 am |
  11. much2say

    Let's wake up! The organizers will not back down form building this mosque, just by looking at the name meaning, the building's purpose is to establish a domain. They will not be sensitive to 9/11. This is about establishing a lasting symbol of domain. They will only be sensitive to getting the right people in power and influence to support their effort. Establish a monument to the people who have suffered and endured great loss and not a domain of islam.

    Córdoba
    "City (pop., 2001: 308,072), capital of Córdoba province, southern Spain. On the banks of the Guadalquivir River, it probably had Carthaginian origins. Occupied by the Romans in 152 BC, it became, under Augustus, the capital of the Roman province of Baetica. It declined under the Visigoths (6th – 8th centuries AD), and it was captured by the Muslims in 711. Abd al-Rahman I, of the Umayyad family, made it his capital in 756 and founded the Great Mosque of Córdoba, which still stands. By the 10th century it was the largest city in Europe, filled with palaces and mosques. It fell to the Castilian king Ferdinand III in 1236 and became part of Christian Spain. Modern Córdoba's streets and buildings evoke its Moorish heritage."

    August 6, 2010 at 10:54 am |
  12. Reality

    As per the following, Homeland Security should close all US mosques:

    Muslim convert journalist Stephen Schwartz, American Jewish Committee terrorism expert Yehudit Barsky, and U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer have all separately testified to a growing radical Islamist Wahhabi influence in U.S. mosques, financed by extremist groups. According to Barsky, 80% of U.S. mosques are so radicalized

    August 6, 2010 at 8:26 am |
    • Joamiq

      ::rolls eyes:: yeah, those are all dependable sources for goes on in mosques in the US. If you're so curious, come visit one. I dare you to find even the slightest hint of Wahabbi influence in an American mosque.

      August 26, 2010 at 12:06 pm |
  13. JJ

    STRIP CLUB!!!!!!

    August 6, 2010 at 6:15 am |
  14. Jay

    To hell with 4 years I'll even wait 9 like them

    August 6, 2010 at 4:34 am |
  15. Jay

    Tell ya what, lets go to Mecca, blow up their biggest banks, claim it was done in Christ's name, then 4 years later try and build a Church near by, hell even in the same city. Lets see how well that flies. Something says that has about a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

    August 6, 2010 at 4:33 am |
    • Paul

      Oh, so we must do as the Saudis would do? Is that really how low you're stooping right now?

      August 6, 2010 at 4:50 pm |
  16. P20009s

    If they would really care then they would propose to build a center for religious tolerance, not a mosque. That simple. This is such a slap in the face.

    August 6, 2010 at 4:19 am |
    • amuslim

      Read the description of the place again. That's exactly what this center is.

      August 6, 2010 at 10:44 am |
    • P20009s

      Yeah. I read it. It specifically says ISLAMIC religious center. Not a Catholic Center, Not a Jewish Center, not a Buddhist Center, not a Hindu Center, AN ISLAMIC CENTER. A center representing one and only one religion, yours. By religious tolerance center I mean a center representing ALL religions, NOT ONE!!!

      August 6, 2010 at 12:37 pm |
    • amuslim

      So... A "Multifaith Center for Religious Tolerance" is bad because it was made by Islamic people...? They can't have a mosque on the premises even though the center itself is for people of all/no faiths?

      You read the article, obviously, but you did not read the mission statement from the Park 51 initiative which does not contain the words "Islamic Center".

      If you want a non-denominational center, build one. There is nothing wrong with that.

      This is being built by a man for the purpouse of promoting peace and understanding between muslims and others. There is no way that can be interpreted as being intolerant of other religions. If it was strictly a mosque, your definition (and thereby your complaint) would stand. It's not.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:00 pm |
    • P20009s

      You can describe it however you want to. Unfortunately, it is a matter of trust. If every week there is some sort of a story of a terrorist attack on people in foreign countries (not just US) or brutal attacks on their own people in name of Islam, trust goes out the window. I am not an ignorant redneck American. I read the Koran. I'm not an expert on it, but I was exposed to the book and the culture of Islam from a scholarly perspective. And you will not like what I have to say, but based on what I have seen and read it is a religion of autocracy and violence.

      Lets just look at simple examples. The Catholic Church may feel that homosexuality and infidelity is a sin, but they don't give 100 + lashes for it, put people in a hole and cover them with earth to their chest and stone them to death. Islam does. Buddhist Monks do not bomb buses, trains, buildings or places where congregations of innocent people meet, Islamists do it in the name of Allah. Orhtodox Jews do not kill cartoonists because they drew pictures that offend them and their religions, Islamic groups do. Oh and Mormons don't pour acid on faces of innocent girls because they want to go to school or kill their daughters in the name of honor, Islamists do.

      Yes, you can say that these are just radicals and normal Muslims do not follow such practices. But if they don't, why haven't they done anything about it. Why are they allowing such things to happen, and happen often. If these are just actions of a couple thousand extremists, why haven't millions of moderate Muslims done anything about it? It makes me wonder whether deep in their psyches and in their culture they condone such actions. Instead of talking how peaceful and tolerant the Muslim religion is, show us how peaceful and tolerant it is. Words are cheap. Anyone can tell stories.

      Needless to say, it is a matter of trust. You can call it all you want, Multicultural Center, Cordoba House (a title that can have double meaning if you look at Spain's history), Project 51, these names mean nothing. They are just names. A mutton dressed as a lamb is still a mutton.

      August 6, 2010 at 11:06 pm |
    • gcrv

      That is what it is. The board of the park51 projects consists of muslims and some christians and jews. The mosque on one of the floors of the park51 will be governed by a seperate board consisting of muslims only.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:09 am |
  17. Tommie

    Since the victory mosque proponents refuse to consider the opinions of local people and relatives of those killed, including policemen and firemen there will forever be bad blood on this mosque. Too bad for the muslims. Realistically the mosque will never be built. Object will be for the proponents to burn through all their money with nothing to show for it but a partially completed building. Ripe for further non-completion. And more money down the drain. Like a big black hole.

    August 6, 2010 at 3:59 am |
    • CalyGurl

      I thought it was an Islamic Cultural Center with an area for local muslims to pray, not a mosque.

      August 24, 2010 at 7:53 pm |
  18. Chandana

    Why does Ground Zero relate to Islam? it is some screwed up individuals who did it.

    I won't blame you for what your friend or brother did... or should I?

    August 6, 2010 at 1:58 am |
    • jremy

      True, but I would advise you to get new friends and brothers (in the islamic sense!) !

      August 6, 2010 at 10:42 am |
    • amuslim

      (darn it for browser delays and accidentaly hitting wrong buttons)

      jremy:
      Already done a hundred times over. Now stop associating us with them.

      Or do you mean you will consider me to be forever tied as long as I am a muslim? If that, then I might consider it as soon as you stop being an American and apologize for Tim McVeigh, Charles Manson, the people who slaughtered Native Americans, etc.

      August 6, 2010 at 10:52 am |
    • whatinit

      Chandana,

      Islam for past 14centuries destroy others religious and cultural sites and construct Mosques on top of them as a victory. You need to read the history. There is no freedom in Islam. Women always must be owned by man.
      For a basic reading try fiathfreedomDOTorg.or try 'the religion of peace dot com'.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:07 pm |
    • amuslim

      In response to whatinit:

      Or you can go to the source instead of a anti site. Why depend on filters?

      BTW my wife is a doctor. Her circle of female muslim friends include a professor, post-docs, accountants, and several medical professionals.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:38 pm |
  19. I'm with...

    I vote for the strip club. Hopefully they won't charge a cover.

    August 5, 2010 at 11:48 pm |
  20. Reality

    OK, we ask any Muslim.:

    Question 1- Is Islam based on the "angelic" hallucinations of one illiterate, warmongering, womanizing Arab named Mohammed?

    Question 2- Are said hallucinations written in the koran as dictates to all male Muslims to dominate not only women but also the world by any means?

    August 5, 2010 at 11:16 pm |
    • ron

      I'll ask you a couple of questions myself:

      1. are your ignorant, hate based and racist questions based on your inability to read and make proper judgments about certain topics or is this how you always act. When do you plan to take of the poster of Hitler from your bedroom?

      2. Do you have a tendency to hallucinate and how do you deal with the fact that it impacts your ability to think clearly.

      3. Finally, how many muslims do you know; have you known any muslim women; have you ever read even a page from the Quran.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:39 am |
    • G3

      @Ron
      Why do you digress? Reality has asked questions in most of the non Muslims mind and please do not ask proof, we read about it everywhere! Afghan and UAE girl children are subject to atrocities in the name of the same religion you are arguing for. Don't point a finger to say it happened in the West too, they've learnt from mistakes(slavery abolished, women have equal power, child labour abolished) but when will Islam or will it ever?
      Do Muslims ask themselves why does the world unite against their religion? We do not seem to have such big an issue with other religions, if Islam is being singled out by all, surely, you guys need to introspect? What have you done to assuage our fears?
      There could be other terrorist organisations world over from different faiths, but they fight for a reason other than religion while Muslim terrorists strike in the name of it.
      About time you start answering rather than questioning?

      August 6, 2010 at 7:14 am |
    • Reality

      It is all about the koran, the SOP for all Muslims. The following passage from the koran, one of many saying the same thing, sums up why there should be no mosques anywhere in the free world. And note, said passages supersede any other passages that the hallucinating Mohammed may have said about being submissive and peaceful.

      Verse 2.193
      "Fight against them until there is no more disorder and Allah’s supremacy is established. If they desist, let there be no hostility except against the oppressors."

      August 6, 2010 at 8:45 am |
    • amuslim

      So you are going to base your arguement on a criminally mistranslated verse?

      Verse 2.193
      If they break treaty and attack you with violence, fight against them until the conflict is resolved and they recognise your right to worship Allah. If they offer to make peace, accept it and do not continue attacks unless they break the agreement and resume oppression.

      I mean, honestly, how is this any different than the Geneva convention?

      August 6, 2010 at 10:35 am |
    • jremy

      @Ron,
      Answering a question with a question seems to be typical for the followers of the ""perfect Mo(nster)! Do you think the adding a few insults would cover your inability to think!? To many days in your madrassa will do that..vide your friends and brothers!!
      By the way what race is Islam!!??!!

      August 6, 2010 at 11:14 am |
    • SR

      Ron: Before you and other apologists for Islam hurl invectives at Reality, please pause and answer these questions.

      For those who are waiting for the "Moderates" in Islam to speak up about the killings in the name of Islam, you may want to move on. It's never going to happen, at least not in your lifetime. Again, why? Read history (of Islam).

      Here's a simple question that you might want to ask your "Moderate" Muslim friends:

      Have they ever thought about whether there may be something in the teaching of their prophet, Mohammad, that might be the cause of this problem (killings and mass conversions of Infidels)?

      For example, here's an article today in Newsweek from a Catholic who has pondered such questions about his own faith and come to some conclusions. Can we ever expect a question like this from an Islamist? Ever?

      "As I went from my adolescent to my teen years, I and many others like me began to have doubts. Can a supposedly all compassionate and all forgiving divinity only like one type of human and have created a place of eternal damnation for those who are different? "
      http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/ramdas_lamb/2010/08/who_owns_god.html

      Why are Islam and islamists totally devoid of self-introspection?

      If people are killing millions in the name of Islam and in fact, we go back and find hundreds of verses (108 by last count) in the Koran that advocates the killing of infidels, could there be something wrong with Mohammad himself?

      This is why I and many others are skeptical that Mohammad can be a "Prophet" when he advocates killing human beings for whatever reason that "he" might find justifiable.

      However, I, as a human being, find that unjustifiable on any ground. I am sure many others will agree as well.

      My challenge to you and others is simple: "When are we going to see a reform of the Koran (similar to the Protestant Reformation) and in Islam from "Moderates" like you?"

      August 6, 2010 at 11:30 am |
    • amuslim

      SR: Have they ever thought about whether there may be something in the teaching of their prophet, Mohammad, that might be the cause of this problem (killings and mass conversions of Infidels)?

      2:256 There is no compulsion in religion

      (i.e. if there is to be any sort of conversion it has to come from the individual and any sort of force whether it be economic, violence, etc. to elicit such conversion is evil)

      There is nothing in the Quran that allows killing of other except in defensive postures. If you didn't believe in killing in defensive situations, you would be seeking to have all armies and police forces abolished.

      SR: [Questions about divine punishment as posed by a Catholic priest]

      You could fill libraries with Islamic discussions on the subject. I am not an expert and am content with the fact that I will not be until I die.

      SR: Why are Islam and islamists totally devoid of self-introspection?

      hahahahaha No matter how much you want to potray us as unthinking beasts, we think and feel just like everyone else.
      It's potrayals like this that is our secret weapon. Everyone who had a negative opinion of Islam and met me has come away greatly impressed simply because I don't have to do much to impress people when the bar is set so low.

      SR: [unsubstantiated mention of verses that call for killing infidels in Quran]

      I could reinterpret US laws a hundred different ways to make the case it calls for the killing of innocents for arbitrary reasons. the Bible, Jewish laws, British laws, etc. It's just a twisted spin from hatemongers.

      Read the Quran. The evidence is right there. If you can't translate Arabic, find a version that was translated by a muslim instead of one translated by some deranged Frenchman.
      I have read it six times and have yet to find the 108 passages you talk about.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm |
    • Illuminated

      It's ironic that the radicals which you so deeply despise in "reality" resemble you very much: they too are bigots full of ignorance and hatred.

      [A1+2]"Is Islam based on the "angelic" hallucinations of one illiterate, warmongering, womanizing Arab named Mohammed? "
      Mohammed granted women respect, dignity, honor. The right to vote, the right to own business(es), and the right to be educated. Nowhere else where women granted this at that time in history. Islam teaches women to be no less intelligent than men, and that a husband's virtue will be judged by how he treats his wife.

      Numerous [Western] Oriental scholars who have studied his life have revered him as one of the most just and tolerant individuals in the history of mankind. Michael Hart from the Reader's Digest wrote in his "100 most influential ppl": "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

      If you do a simple google search, Reality, you'll be able to read about the many other scholar's POV's, too. But that requires a dose of open-mindedness 😉

      August 6, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Reality

      Islam’s Koran and World Domination

      Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      When will people realize that just as there are good doctors and quacks, good cops and rogue cops, there can also be good religions and bad religions?

      August 6, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • max

      Islam is bad Honor killings are bad stonings are bad I understand I can buy a women for less than I can a camel? IU think I will become a Muslim

      August 24, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
    • Joamiq

      #2... uh... is that a joke? The Qur'an says nothing of the kind. You'd know that if you read it, which, of course, you haven't.

      August 26, 2010 at 12:00 pm |
    • RUReal

      Why so hostile? You act like every Muslim dominated nation is plagued with barbarism and mistreatment of women and religious minorities. I mean, I've never heard of one, but I'm sure there has to be one.

      August 30, 2010 at 9:28 am |
    • gcrv

      So Islam dominates others? how come Coptic Christians have survived for 1400 years in Egypt about 10 million of them!
      Christian canon law is available as per denomination to Christians in Egypt and many other Muslim countries for their person and family matters yet Egyptian Muslims dont say that Christian canon law is set to over take the law of the land.
      Now Americans they are a different matter altogether.
      Perhaps the reason for the difference is because of this.

      [Quran 39:41] "Surely We have revealed to you the Book with the truth
      for all mankind; so whoever follows the right way, it is for his own
      soul and whoever errs, he errs only to its detriment; and you are not
      a custodian over them."

      [Quran 10:99] "And if your Sustainer had pleased, surely all those who
      are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force
      men till they become believers?"

      Read the Quran it helps instead of reading the regurgitated quotes with half truths, translations and out of context quotations.

      Being able to reach the moon does not mean that you are educated or particularly logical in every aspect of life.

      August 31, 2010 at 5:01 am |
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