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August 5th, 2010
05:40 PM ET

U.S. Muslims underestimate 9/11 effect, Muslim thinker warns

Linda Rivera holds her head after a New York panel ruled the site of a planned Islamic center and mosque near ground zero can be demolished.

There's been plenty of opposition to the plan to build an  Islamic center near the site of ground zero in New York, but so far it has overwhelmingly come from outside the Muslim community.

Now a prominent Muslim thinker is warning that the idea is potentially dangerously misguided, and that American Muslims have failed to grasp how deeply the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, affected the country.

"I don't think the Muslim leadership has fully appreciated the impact of  9/11 on America. They assume Americans have forgotten 9/11 and even, in a profound way, forgiven 9/11, and that has not happened. The wounds remain largely open," said Akbar Ahmed, an Islamic studies professor at American University in Washington, D.C.

"And when wounds are raw, an episode like constructing a house of worship - even one protected by the Constitution, protected by law - becomes like  salt in the wounds," he argued, even as he said that "blaming an entire community for 9/11 is ridiculous."

But a leading spokesman for the American Muslim community is not convinced by Ahmed's analysis.

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations feels the impact of 9/11 on a  daily basis," said its communications director, Ibrahim Hooper.

"We take hundreds and hundreds of cases each year of anti-Muslim bias and  hate crimes. To a large degree it's the by-product of 9/11," Hooper said.

He rejects the controversy over the planned Islamic center as "manufactured" by "bigots."

"There has been a mosque in that neighborhood for 27 years," Hooper asserted.

And he said Muslims should not back down simply because a vocal minority was complaining.

"I am not going to base my actions and my principles and my future on the  ability of bigots to manufacture a controversy," he said.

The American Center for Law and Justice filed a lawsuit Wednesday, trying  to throw an obstacle in the way of what has come to be known as the "ground zero mosque" - although it is two blocks from the site of the World Trade  Center and backers say it will be more a community center than just a house of worship.

Ahmed and Hooper did agree, however, that the New York dispute is just an  extreme example of a problem Muslims face whenever they set out to build a  house of worship in the United States.

"Every time Muslims raise their head in America, these groups are going to come against Muslims," said Hooper, adding that the problem is worse now than in the immediate wake of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks.

"There was still a reservoir of good will after 9/11," Hooper said. "Now you've got people bringing dogs outside a mosque in California last week."

"The attacks on mosques are increasing in frequency and intensity," Ahmed  concurred.

"You recognize a minaret, so that becomes the focus and the lightning rod  of the fear and anger," said Ahmed, whose new book, "Journey Into America: The  Challenge of Islam" is an intensive study of Muslim communities across the  country, based on a year of travel, visits, meetings and surveys.

He found that the closer you get to New York, the higher the tension is  between Muslims and non-Muslims.

"Step back and put (the Cordoba Initiative project to build the New York Islamic center) in the context of American society today and then it will make perfect sense - the anger, and also the failure of the American Muslim leadership, an influential leadership, to explain to Americans that we, too, are Americans. We live here," he said.

The Cordoba Initiative did not answer CNN requests for comment.

Ahmed, who is also critical of "the American leadership" for not building bridges with Muslim America, warns that the New York project could become a dangerous flashpoint.

"Say non-Muslims go attack this mosque or attack the imam, and in response some young Muslims blow something up or blow themselves up," he warned. "That is the worst-case scenario."

"The best-case scenario is that the Muslim leadership really steps up its activity to explain themselves to the American community. We are at a crossroads," he said.

And whatever happens will resonate far beyond America's shores, he said.

"What happens in America will have an impact in the Muslim world,  especially Afghanistan and Pakistan, and vice versa," he argued. "Whatever happens now becomes critical."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • Houses of worship • Interfaith issues • Islam • Muslim • Religious liberty • Violence

soundoff (904 Responses)
  1. Mark Kalafatas

    I wish that my fellow citizens were sufficiently tolerant to permit this mosque. But I know, they are not. Right now such a mosque is a lit match in a room filled with gunpowder. Let's clean up the gunpowder, and only then dare to light the match.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:15 pm |
    • Matt

      Forget that. If the "gunpowder" manages to take a break from watching Faux News long enough to try something, they'll get to find out just how brutal the security apparatus they've been cheering on can be. Waterboard Cooter and the rest of his idiot redneck buddies; maybe even cruise-missile some megachurches: they should already know what happens to America's enemies, and if they start blowing up houses of worship in NYC that's what they will have become.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:46 pm |
  2. AdamF

    Many of these protesters and even a radio commentator have proposed destroying this mosque, one person has proposed bombing the mosque - thousands of bigots have agreed rather than condemning these hateful statements.

    So lets step back here, who are really the terrorists?

    August 5, 2010 at 7:15 pm |
  3. D Reaves

    contrary to the notion engenderd by the sign in the photo, muslims around the world won't be taking a 'victory lap' until everyone swearing under oath in American courts is swearing on a Holy Qur'an.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
  4. Kevin

    I think the whole idea of a mosque near the site is in bad taste. The planners should have seen this in the beginning.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
    • Nimrod

      I'm sure they did and that is the whole point.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:45 pm |
    • -_-

      No, that was not the point. The point was to promote religious understanding and acceptance.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:45 am |
    • John Toradze

      Oh, they know exactly. The planners of this huge new center are doing it for exactly the reason that it upsets people who think it is in bad taste. It is a victory monument, a shrine to the success of 9-11. This has been done all over the world. The great mosque in India is built literally, around the broken shaft of the greatest hindu temple. That is what is still there at the center. This tradition is the equivalent of the West raining bombs down on Mecca, then smashing the Kaaba and building a Catholic Cathedral around the smashed Kaaba rock. That is what islam is supposed to do.

      The imam who is in charge of this is a salafi – he is in the same bed as osama bin laden. And he is very proud of it. It will make him famous and a great man to have built this shrine to commemorate the destruction of the WTC towers.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:55 am |
  5. Fuyuko

    I think it is cruel to the families and those who died in 911 to allow this. There are plenty of less controversial places where mosques can be built. I say no, to a 'victory' mosque. Just as I would say no Catholics in NI if they wanted to build a church on a place where IRA had bombed protestants and killed thousands

    August 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm |
    • CL2

      Yea, its kind of like the way we took away land from the middle-east and created Isreal. Broaden your perspective and quit being so self-absorbed. If you don't like the mosque, then don't pray there – whatever.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:42 pm |
    • Jack Chambers

      THERE IS A MOSQUE 2 BLOCKS AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO ALREADY!!! IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 27 YEARS YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!!!!!!!!!

      August 5, 2010 at 8:07 pm |
    • DAve

      CL2 you should check your facts a bit, the majority of land that Israel was created from, was purchased in the 1800s and early 1900s. Its was useless land owned by Arabs, that they couldn't, and didn't use for themselves. Thus settled by Houlocast survivors and created by UN vote.

      August 5, 2010 at 9:46 pm |
    • Gaven

      Jack – So they NEED to build ANOTHER mosque, oh wait..."community center", there WHY? If Muslims want to help "ease the pain and promote unity" they would help fund the project that is rebuilding the site itself. They would not selfishly promote their religion to build another structure like some triumphant monument that casts a shadow over the site, especially when there is already a mosque close by that has been there for, like you say, 27 years.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:26 pm |
  6. Atheist

    oh boy the monkeys always need something to fight about dont they. How about this....we can have a crazy religious monkey fight between muslims and christians where instead of shooting each other or dropping bombs or blowing up stuff they chuck the quran and the bible at one another, AND ONLY at other quran or bible holders. All others (non-believers, nobible thumpers or koran holders) are off limits and must be let alone. That would suit me just fine.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm |
    • Dave

      Not particularly bothered about crazy "Christians" myself. If they want to throw bibles around and yell about "jeeeaaaassuus" that's fine with me ... freedom of speech etc. But to put those sad-but-harmless nutters in the same bag as tens of thousands of beheaders, suicide-bombers, cartoon-journalist-killing, women-stoning, airplane-crashing mass mudering lunatic freakazoids is not exactly intellectually honest.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • Mobius007

      Don't monkees normally throw their own crap at each other? Oh, I see your use of symbolism...

      August 5, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    • Inglourious

      @Dave: if only it were true that Christian zealots are harmless. They gun down doctors who don't share their beliefs, they blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City, they set off bombs of at a US Olympic site and at abortion clinics, and they joined the military in droves after the invasion of Iraq in order to kill Muslims. They are anything but harmless.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:55 pm |
    • John Toradze

      Sadly, Christians are "people of the book" and they are second class citizens, but they are to be respected if they pay the "head tax". (This is literally a tax to allow you to keep your head on your body.) Everyone else, (that's you) is worse than an infidel christian. Everyone else is to be killed or enslaved as pagans or worse. An atheist is the lowest of the low. Don't kid yourself. This is absolutely a battle that includes you. You are not left out, you are worse than a Christian, lower than a dog.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:50 am |
  7. Ben

    In the United States of America we have freedom of religion. That means that New York Muslims should be able to be allowed to put a mosque wherever they want. This sort of freedom is why we were attacked in the first place...our enemies hate that we have that freedom (well among other reasons.) They want a world where no one has that sort of freedom. That's what they've tried to create in their own countries. Those opposed to the mosque are asking that we give into terrorism. That we allow those trying to foster hate, division, and pain in us succeed. I don't hold to that. Let them build it. And let it stand as a beacon of American freedom and unity, strongly facing those who would see the same destroyed.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:11 pm |
    • Dave

      Tell that to Theo Van Gogh and the people of Amsterdam – the most liberal and tolerant city in the world.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
    • SBWitmer

      Ben .. I couldn't have said it better myself !!

      August 5, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    • Jack Chambers

      Beautifully put Ben!!!

      August 5, 2010 at 8:05 pm |
    • Me

      Yes but Islam wants to take over the world and will use violence if needed. Lying to infidels is not a sin.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:03 pm |
    • malik

      i think no one can say better than you also in the way you explain. Very nice

      August 5, 2010 at 10:45 pm |
    • Gaven

      Ben, you are absolutely wrong. Freedom of religion allows you to freely practice your religion. It does not grant you the right to build a religious structure wherever you please. Nobody is saying they cannot build a mosque so they can worship...people just don't want a mosque built so close to hollowed ground that became that way due to the very religious ideologies that made the area what it is today. I think you are also failing to grasp the deeper issue here. The professor from American University hit is right on the head – 9/11 is a wound and putting up a mosque in that area, shrouded in the label of a "community center", is salt on the wound. Do you think any given Muslim country would be OK if we took out a couple of their most important buildings in one of their major cities along with roughly 3000 people in them and then decided to put up a big American "community center" right next to that attack site that was being funded by Christians and Jews? Muslims would be absolutely outraged all over the world if we tried to pull a stunt like that. I am blown away Muslims who support the Cordova Initiative are so naive to the sensitivity of the issue, which only furthers my belief that they either too ignorant to understand why MOST people are against the structure they want to build there and/or they are trying to advance their agenda.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:19 pm |
    • John Toradze

      You should pay attention to what is happening in Europe. There are no more tolerant people than the dutch. The French have been tolerant and the Swedes and Danes. They are all fed up with islam and it's utterly bigoted ideology.

      Islam = Bigotry (against all who are not muslims)

      August 6, 2010 at 1:47 am |
    • Lily

      Ben, this has nothing to do with the freedom of American Muslims to practice their religion. Nobody is talking about banning Islam or the construction of mosques. THAT would be a matter of religious freedom. Nobody is being bigoted here except possibly the Muslims involved, who seem to think that they have the right to behave any way they please without regard for the feelings of others, because in their view, Islam and Islamic culture are superior and deserve special treatment. Think about this for a minute: Why would people who claim to want to promote "intercultural understanding" start by offending and alienating vast numbers of their neighbors? They want to build bridges, but they start by dividing people? Please. This project has nothing to do with religious freedom or with bridge-building.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:47 am |
  8. Guy Montag

    How about we just stop wasting resources building religious buildings all together. The fact that religion is always surrounded in scandal and violence should be a warning sign that maybe its time to phase it out of mankind as a whole.

    And don't say, "but what about the Churches that act as community centers and charities!"

    Without religion, there would still be charities and community centers, just without money being thrown down the drain for religious ceremonies.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:09 pm |
    • NOMAD82

      here here...excellent ideas....

      August 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
    • -_-

      I actually agree.. and I'm a Muslim. Religion would not cause nearly as many problems if individuals kept it inside their homes.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
    • Stan

      Thanks Guy you just saved me from leaving the same comment !!

      August 5, 2010 at 7:42 pm |
    • cheylna

      Amen!!

      August 5, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
    • dave

      people who lump all religions into one ball have not really studied religion. and yes i will bring up salvation army, world vision, compassion international, canadian food for the hungry ,PAZ, etc for these christian charities are feeding children who are starving but isnt it interesting how you dont credit them for that. so we are all to take your 'imagine all the people and no religion too' as the answer for peace. really its not God who is to blame its wicked people. its not imagine all the people but rather imagine no people.

      this earth would be a lush paradise without man so lets put the blame where it should go- man messed up a good world God made. and yes the quaran talks about killing the infidels, in contrast Jesus showed love by dying for sinful man.

      there is a difference, and your answer of abolishing religion is much like building a computer out of lego blocks. its a block head answer to the worlds evil. evil starts in the heart of man. from what i have seen, only Jesus transforms people to do good.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:43 am |
    • Chuck

      Really Dave, you have physically seen Jesus transform people to do good? I agree, most violent acts, wars, etc are in the name of religion. Because people can't think for themselves and need their interpretation of their religion to tell them what to do.

      August 6, 2010 at 9:18 am |
  9. NOMAD82

    there will NEVER be an acceptance of a hate based religion in this country...and Islam is clearly hate based...put whatever spin you want to on that fact, it will change nothing...the truth is the truth...period...the sooner religion ceases to be a deciding factor in world affairs, the sooner we can work towards becoming an intelligent and enlightened society...

    August 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm |
    • Ben

      You really thing their won't be an acceptance of hate based religion in this country? Tell that to the millions of devout American christians who have a deep-seated hatred of homosexuals.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:13 pm |
    • CMRS

      Quote: "there will NEVER be an acceptance of a hate based religion in this country..."

      I beg to differ. Much of this country has most definitely embraced the right of christian zealots to spread hate. This country is not immune to this kind of thinking and never has been.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm |
    • Dew

      Amen to that!

      August 5, 2010 at 7:29 pm |
    • Heather

      I 100% agree with you. It is blantantly obvious that the Islamic religion is all about "killing the infidel", and will stop at nothing until they blow everything up. My husband has been on 6 tours to Iraq and Afghanistan, and has seen them at their best and their worst. He is convinced (as am I) that their religion will never be able to peacefully exist with people of other faiths. The fact that these "peace-loving" Muslims cannot take a step back and see the real reason Americans are opposed to this is one more shining example of their lack of empthy for other people.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
      • Claire C.

        The religious answer to any question about motives is always to suggest one read their doctrine so you will understand them. I live in a community with a lot of Muslim immigrants, and as long as they don't try to force me to wear scarves or body-coverings, or force sharia on me, it's really none of my business what they believe. As long as they follow rule of law and don't undermine the Republic, I have no quarrel with anyone.

        If it ever turns to tyranny, then it will become my business, and the Constitution will kick in. And that also goes for any religious group that tries to create a theocracy.

        August 6, 2010 at 1:40 am |
    • -_-

      Heather, you are confusing culture with religion. 😉

      August 5, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
      • NYC#1

        Islam is everything rolled into one, not just a religion.

        August 6, 2010 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mobius007

      Dude, be careful what you say... You've seen what they do to cartoonists!

      August 5, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
    • CL2

      You need to look at this from the outside in. How do you know Islam is a hate based religion? Have you ever spent 10 minutes researching its fundamentals. This country loves hate and fear, look at the media, look at the posts to this column. I bet your a christian. You should also study your history. Christianity is the most violent religion in the history of the world. All of our wars are in the name of your god. Christian Crusades...every heard of 'em.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:39 pm |
      • Nimrod

        Don't care what the so called principles of Islam are, it's their actions that count and in this age their actions indicate that they are NOT a peace loving, tolerant culture. It is certainly true that many have died and been killed in the name of Christianity, but as they say, that was then, this is now. Christianity went through the Reformation (or hadn't you heard?) The inquisition has been over for centuries and conversion at sword point is a thing of the distant past (except in islam).
        On a totally different note, I would like to point out that "your" cannot be substituted for "you're".

        August 5, 2010 at 11:36 pm |
    • Mobius007

      @CL2 – Dude, check your calender. 😉 When were the crusades? And what time today was the last muslim suicide bombing?

      August 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm |
      • Mandel

        Pretty much took the words out of my mouth.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:01 am |
    • knowwhat

      Muslims did not participate in 9/11 attack.
      The Terrorist did that.
      In India 40,000 people are murdered every year. In USA 16,000 are murdered every year. Does this mean Hinduism or Christianity are bad religions.
      Please don't blame Muslims.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:06 pm |
      • surjit

        May be those murders are comitted by muslims.

        August 6, 2010 at 3:39 am |
        • Mike

          Good luck with the peacefull religion.....

          August 6, 2010 at 4:02 am |
      • David Stone

        ONLY IN ISLAM is there a concerted, WORLD WIDE effort to wage war in the name of their faith against non-believers. ONLY IN ISLAM do the "good muslims" stand by SILENT as the "bad muslims" organize global groups to wage terror, build schools to teach terror, behead, stone, and dismember people in front of crowds....etc.....YES ISLAM IS DIFFERENT, and it SUCKS

        August 6, 2010 at 10:34 am |
        • Americano

          THIS IS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT ISLAM.

          This issue about the right of an AMERICAN TO PRAY FOR THEIR RELIGION WITHOUT INTIMIDATION, OPPRESSION, FEAR.

          It is about AMERICANS WHO HAVE THE UNDENIABLE RIGHT

          TO LIVE where they want, TO WORSHIP where they want, TO PRAY to whom they please to without some WHITE TRASH PREJUDICE BIGGOTSSS to tell what they can or what they can't.

          THIS IS AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEE

          Don't like it? so get packing go back to your WHITE TRASH, RACIST, PREJUDICE, LITTLE VILLAGE IN EUROPE

          WE WILL NOT LET ANYONE UNDERMINE OUR RIGHT AS AMERICAN FOR ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER

          August 6, 2010 at 1:02 pm |
        • Sarah

          DITTO!!

          August 6, 2010 at 3:00 pm |
    • james

      muslims have yet to prove they -aren't- a religion of hatred. all we see is women getting their noses cut off, random terrorist attacks/suicide bombings of innocents weekly, threats and abuse of simple cartoonists, genital mutilation of girls, girls being married off and being continually abused when they are 10 years old, etc etc etc... you can blame the media. you can blame the west. you can blame culture. you can say 'yeah, but christians and jews do that too'.....but it comes down to the muslim community not stepping up and doing something about their image. if you guys are so great, then prove it. until then people are going to get more scared and more angry about what we see.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:14 pm |
      • jeffallan

        That is because thats all you see in the media. I bet you didnt know that a women gets raped every minute in America? I also bet you didnt know the only country in the world with 2 women leaders of both major party is an Islamic country(Bangladesh). Not a single western country has ever had both major party led by women but here you see a Muslim country. Imagine a country so poor where democracy shouldn't even exist in the first place because of its fragility. Im tired of teaching people like you since nothing seems to penetrate your thick skulls.

        August 6, 2010 at 2:18 am |
  10. Andrew

    How can you call yourself a defender of the constitution if you pick and choose which parts of it you want to defend?

    August 5, 2010 at 7:07 pm |
  11. Celia

    WTF?? The muslim "community" thinks America would forget and/or FORGIVE the attack?

    August 5, 2010 at 7:07 pm |
  12. RickRude

    the whole what if thing is the whole problem so lets not take the risk shall we? And im a moderate / progreesive saying this.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:05 pm |
    • Bill

      I tend to agree with you on this one. I honestly feel as though I can argue both sides of this one, but for me it comes down to the question "is this the right time?"... I fear for the mosque and I fear for the potential recruiting tool this can be used by our enemies.....Is this the right time to do this?

      August 5, 2010 at 9:06 pm |
    • Emma the Grey

      Right, and you voted for Obama, but . . . .

      Nice try. I guess it might not have been the right time to give African Americans any rights either, because, you know, the KKK might get angry and all.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:28 am |
    • Lily

      I agree with you, Rick. The people planning this so-called "community center" talk a lot about wanting to build bridges and promote intercultural understanding, but it's already dividing people, not bringing them together, and it's not even built yet! If they really wanted to build bridges, they would back down & say, "You know, maybe this wasn't such a good idea." The very fact that they're persisting when it's clear that this project will divide people further should make it clear to us all that the real reason for this project is NOT mutual understanding.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:37 am |
    • John Toradze

      The ground zero mosque imam is an islamist. He is doing this for two reasons. First, because islam is supposed to make monuments out of victories and this mosque nearby is the next best thing. Second, he is doing it because it is his job to foment islamist revolution in the USA, and in New York. It is his job to recruit and bring islamism here.

      About the purpose and what he is going to do with the center? It's all lies. Taqqiya is the word for it. It gives the muslim a religious duty to lie to infidels. Once built, the mosque is theirs and they can do with it what they will. Believe me, they will do things with it.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:44 am |
    • Amanda

      To those who are ignorant enough to know that this islamic center is not being built at Gron Zero and that there's a lreadyu is a mosque next to where the islamic center will be built and are shouting like idiots against this process, it is exactly for people like you that this process must go through. If Muslims, who are being bullied like this – obviously someone started this propaaganda campaig using the phrase Ground Zero instead of two blocks from Ground Zero – baack down, they will always have to live like sheeps and no one should have to live like that, not in America. as for the propagandista nd the ignorants, I feel sorry for you.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:28 am |
  13. castmembersonly

    What we see in the middle east, muslim X...out to get muslim Y.....out to kill muslimZ......that's our new America if this thing goes forward. Good-buy USA..Hello.HELL!

    August 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm |
    • Jack Chambers

      What are you talking about!!! There are already OVER A THOUSAND MOSQUES IN THE USA!!!!!!! There is one mosque today that is 2 blocks away from GROUND ZERO ALREADY!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW UNEDUCATED AND IGNORANT AMERICA IS!!!!!

      August 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm |
    • madarain

      Hey D-bags "-_-" & "Jack Chambers"...castmembersonly is only saying it will bring middle eastern style violence to America..which is EXACTLY WHAT THE F-ING ARTICLE SAID you numbskulls. did you not read the article? "Say non-Muslims go attack this mosque or attack the imam, and in response some young Muslims blow something up or blow themselves up," he warned...of course this is going to happen. This is what they want and why they are trying to build the mosK...to kill or convert. WHY ARE YOU TALKING WITHOUT PAYING ATTENTION?

      August 5, 2010 at 9:13 pm |
    • John Toradze

      Yes, there are now over 1000 mosques in the USA. That's true. Each one is teaching an ideology that is utterly bigoted. Islam teaches that only muslims can rule. Islam teaches that muslims rightfully should kill or make slaves of everyone else. Islam teaches that a muslims respects no nation except islam. Islam teaches oppression of women. On and on. Islam is absolutely opposed to every value that America is based on. The future holds war with islam, not because we want it, but because they are required to bring it.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:39 am |
    • not_really_helpful

      Possible solution: wait until they break ground, then go to the construction site one night, slaughter a bunch of pigs, and leave the pig blood and entrails all over. See if construction continues. Repeat if necessary. The only problem is getting pigs through manhattan...

      August 6, 2010 at 8:47 am |
  14. bluenote

    These Muslims really can't understand why some of us would not like to see a mosque go up at Ground Zero? That can't possibly be true. You would have to be a drooling idiot to not understand the problem with that idea. And as far as some young muslim "blow something up, or blow themselves up"...b That would, in fact, be a response TO a response. I certainly don't think that I speak for all Americans, but I believe that Muslims are asking for trouble, putting that building there. I won't respect it, and neither will thousands of other people. I want to go to NY and spit on it, if it is built,

    August 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm |
    • CL2

      You don't respect anything that doesn't support your belief system.
      Live and let live.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:36 pm |
    • Junaid

      im a muslim, i understand your point. But that doesnt make it right. This group is trying to do something positive, once the controversy dies down and peoples angst subsides this islamic center will be seen as a positive move because it will open the eyes of many americans as well as muslims. Its a great step in promoting peace and tolerance. The center is open to the public and people will start understanding each other through this.

      non-muslims will learn that muslims just want to live peaceful lives just like everyone else, and muslims will learn more about western cultures which will help them better adapt, if they havent already. I was born and raised here and grew up with my three closet friends being a jew, a hindu, and a christian. We learned about each others cultures and that helped us understand others. This is a great thing for america. We should support it.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm |
    • Woodyag

      Junaid; intellectually, morally, etc; I'm with you 150%. You're right. But- right now; we've got a large faction in the US which will NEVER learn anything about anyone. They're as full of hate and stupidity as the people who blew up the towers. It might just be better not to push anything; right now.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:55 pm |
    • Agibo

      Here's the deal. Admittedly, there are many good Muslims in the world, but the religion itself inherently encourages the death and distruction of all infidels. Just look at the Koran–109 versus that advocate acts of violance against non-believers, and the glorification of those that fight in the name of Islam in the after life. It's no wonder that Muslims want to kill "infidels". They're practicing their religion.

      Now as an "iinfidel" myslef, how can I be tollerant toward this religion and watch my chlidren, and my chlidren's children get slaughtered "in the name of allah'. Please don't talk to me about tollerance when you believe in scriptures like this:

      Qur'an (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

      August 5, 2010 at 10:01 pm |
    • hoeech

      You say that Muslims are "asking for trouble." Did that question not occur to most Americans when George H.W. Bush permanently stationed a few hundred thousand American soldiers in Saudi Arabia in the late 1980s? That was the seminal act that fired up the anti-American hatred in many Muslims throughout the Middle East. You can't place an armed camp in the middle of the holiest area of Islam and NOT expect a response. Ever since that decision, American intersts have been attacked all over the world: The World Trade Center (twice), American embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; the U.S.S. Cole; etc. How would you feel if there were Saudi garrisons stationed in New York, Los Angeles and Miami? You'd be ticked off and you would demand that they be removed. If your government refused to listen, you'd be forming a militia of your own.

      The saddest thing is that all of thgis could be avoided if people would stop pointing fingers and thumping their chests and just LISTEN to each other.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:42 pm |
    • jbobj

      Muslims keep saying that Americans need to understand them. Why don't they start by condemming the attacks of 9/11. I have never heard a muslim straight up condemn the attacks. The closest that they come is to say something like "It was a great tragedy", or, "it was a shame that so many died". Why won't a prominent Muslim openly condemn the attacks and those that committed them?

      August 5, 2010 at 10:57 pm |
    • Bill

      Why dont they just build their Muslim center somewhere else? It is because they are trying to provoke a response. It would be like a Neo Nazi group trying to build a Nazi Party Awareness Center at Auschwitz. It is disrespectful and that is their intent. If it was not their intent they would simply build it elsewhere.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:59 pm |
    • Roscoe Chait

      The article says: "What happens in America will have an impact in the Muslim world, especially Afghanistan and Pakistan, and vice versa," he argued. "Whatever happens now becomes critical." What??? How dare you put this on us Americans? So now everything is our fault? You insult us by wanting to build this monument to murder and you say it's our fault? Just like with Israel, you and your supporters are doing everything you can to provoke America. Well, you may get your wish.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:27 pm |
    • Nimrod

      CL2 It strikes me as the height of irony that you would use the phrase "live and let live" when suggesting that we need to be more tolerant of the excesses of islam.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:39 pm |
    • Linda K.

      Many prominent Muslims have openly condemned the 9/11 attacks. Unfortunately, their statements aren't reported on the evening news. Google it. I'm sure you'll be surprised. I'm not a prominent Muslim but I strongly condemn, hate, and abhor the 9/11 attacks and any other violent acts no matter who commits them and why. There is no excuse for violence. If you live in a large city I would suggest you watch for news of an open house at your local mosque and go there to pose these questions personally. You will probably be surprised by the hospitality you encounter.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:56 pm |
    • Emma the Grey

      This is not about a mosque, it is about a community center, and it's not at Ground Zero, it's two blocks away, you know, next to where a mosque has always been, and about the same distance as the nearest strip club. If you don't know the facts, please don't comment.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:26 am |
    • stan t

      yup folks. they hate us for our FREEDOM...

      August 6, 2010 at 1:00 am |
    • Bierman

      Oy, I see I could be here all night if I tried to address all of the bad stuff being said here. Some of you are either lying to yourself or lying publicly to justify discrimination against these fine people. The US constitution guarantees freedom of religion wherever you are in the country. The entire muslim faith didn't attack those towers, just a few wingnut maniacs with really bad ideas in their heads. We have muslim Americans in the Army, we have Muslims american's paying taxes, they obey the law as well as everyone else does and I'm sure they don't mean to hurt anybody. Why would they? I'm sure they like it here as much as the next guy.

      There's what? 1.4 BILLION muslims in the world? Should they all be blamed for what a few mickey mouseketeers a one way ticket and a defective brain did? No. I refuse to accept that.

      This is the melting pot where all people are equal, the most sacred government document guarantees freedom from religious oprression and as long as I live, which so far has been a really long time, I'm not going to accept any crazy ideas about keeping people from having fair treatment under the law. Anything else would be an awful injustice. These are good people, as good as any other religion has I'm sure, let them have their mosque.

      In my opinion, you should go down and talk to them like regular people, invite them to your neighborhood and make with the brotherly love. If you can't let them have their freedom under the law, in my opinion, all your patriotism is just for show and you don't have the willpower to be a good american and you aren't any kind of patriot that I ever saw.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:47 am |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      If I am ever around (at 76 I rather sit on my ass), I may go BEYOND spitting. Perhaps an egg or two, no bombs, of course. These people have no idea the trouble they will be in. Directly from Ground Zero people will come and SCREAM at them. They will probably love it. The idiot mayor Bloomberg is too rich and detached from reality to see it. Instead, he lectures us. To hell with him. He may be better than Mayor Dinkins but not much (if at all) than Giuliani, definitely not Koch.

      Too much money fogs your brain.

      August 6, 2010 at 4:55 am |
    • daniel

      Spit on it? Wow, real classy man.

      Why? No one at that building had anything to do with 9/11, or even knew the terrorists who did it. They woke up on the morning of September 11, 2001 to the same news reports you did, and felt the same emotions we all did. They are just as American as you are.

      And all the people "quoting" the Koran about violence need to take a look at the bible a point out all the violence, wrath, vengeance in there. You're obviously taking things you know nothing about out of context.

      August 6, 2010 at 7:40 am |
    • TK

      I agree. NYC is still in pain over 9/11 and will be for a long time. As long as there is a reminder at ground zero people will NOT forget. Why hasn't the imam at this purported "cultural center" given one interview stating what the REAL purpose of this building is? If this building project goes through, and there is violence against those who support it, they have no one to blame but themselves. Its a slap in the face to the families of those killed and the ones who are pushing this should RESPECT their feelings and build somewhere else or not build at all!

      August 6, 2010 at 7:47 am |
  15. Christopher

    The article states that the opposition for the mosque is a vocal minority? Yeah sure...
    That's a lie. To think that most Americans want this insult built by the world trade center sight is insane.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:03 pm |
    • Oregon

      Most Americans also do not live in New York City and thus do not have a right in saying what should and should not be built where.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:50 pm |
    • The LORD

      Most Americans don't care, you know freedom of religion and religous persecution and all that good stuff the country was founded on? No, most Americans either don't care or are in favor of this, it's the vocal minority of the ignorant bigots who would like to see this blocked. These are the same types of radical crazies killing abortion doctors, protesting at soldiers funerals, and calling for prayer and spanking in schools.....

      August 5, 2010 at 8:14 pm |
    • anopinion

      all the people that died on 9/11 were not just people from NY. they were from all over US so to say that only people from NY have a say in this dispute is just silly.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
    • Emma the Grey

      No, that is not a lie. Only loud-mouthed intolerant people who want to blame every member of a religion for the acts perpetrated by some loony messed-up members of that religion are opposed to this. What religion are you? Because they've all had members how killed people. Should your religion not be allowed a house of worship near a school, a day care center, a hospital, a doctor's office, a federal building?

      August 6, 2010 at 12:24 am |
    • John Toradze

      Well, Emma, if you read Koran and Hadith you will find out that islam is precisely about war on the infidel. (That's you.) That is what it says. Islam has it's own government, etcetera. Salafis, who consider themselves the only real muslims, do everything the way mohammed did. They take koran and hadith literally. Part of that tradition is to build mosques on the site of victories. That is why the greatest jewish temple has a mosque built on the ruins. That is why the greatest hindu temple was broken and a mosque was built (and remains) around the broken pillar. This is what islam is supposed to do. The imam behind this huge mosque is a salafi, He is as radical as osama bin laden. No kidding.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:34 am |
    • Bierman

      Mosque's are not remotely anti-american and the constitution is at stake here. I'm an old man and I've seen enough racism and intolerance to last a lifetime. Look, my fellow jews and muslims have been killing each other since forever and what has it gotten for us? Nothing but heartache. It starts when one side tells the other side they aren't equal and then the protests and then somebody throws something and the next thing you know the whole place goes up in a mushroom cloud of dung. (That's POOP son.)

      So they want to build a mosque, so what? It's not like they're opening a chemical weapons factory. It's a church, a temple, a place of worship that they are CONSTITUTIONALLY entitled to. When I enlisted many years ago, it was to defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Thankfully, voting does all my defending for me because my back is shot. Part of defending the constitution is ensuring that it is enforced nationwide at all times and freedom of religion is right there at the top in the bill of rights.

      It's their constitutional right to build a mosque, the constitution is on their side, the law is on their side and I am especially on their side. In the civil rights era, I like to call that my retirement years if that gives you a clue (oy, i'm so old), some people didn't like Jews building temples around in the south and they got burned down by idiots with no sense and a lot of stupid ideas.

      Blocking this mosque isn't right, it's a violation of their constitutional rights which should be holy to anyone who claims to love the United States.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:21 am |
    • Chuck

      MINORITY!!!!!!!

      ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!
      Who did they survey? The non-Muslims that are lined up at the mosque doors trying to get in?

      Once again the lies role in. I am guessing that they will scream racism against everyone that\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ opposes them. That is the regular MO. The people that are organizing this obviously have no clue what it means to be American and needs to get deported ASAP...and everyone of the meat heads that agree with them....good bye and don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Feel free to build all the mosques you want in India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria....wherever...these are Muslim places....Canada and the US were built on the backs of Christian men and women....with Japanese and Chinese workers as well with the railway and expansion.....middle eastern people....hmmmmmm....don't recall any.

      The thing that ticks me off the most. Non-Muslim people go as soldiers to helps and save people in the middle east all the time....the Muslim people in the military opt out and wish not to fight under the US flag to free their own people...and the thanks we get...nothing...the condemn us, and try to change us...ungrateful and bad house guests that need to GO HOME!!!

      August 6, 2010 at 2:47 am |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      I agree 100%.

      August 6, 2010 at 4:51 am |
    • daniel

      I personally think its a good idea to start the healing process.

      And maybe help all you ignorant bigots out there to get the f*** over yourselves.

      Muslims aren't terrorists any more than Christians are. Timothy McVeigh was Christian, but you don't see people complaining about churches in OK City.

      August 6, 2010 at 7:31 am |
    • allah

      @emma the gray: what a stupid question. what do you think would happen if we built a church in the middle of a prominently muslim country?

      @daniel: you failed to come up with an example that makes sense. Timothy McVeigh was christian, yes. but so are most of the people who live in OK city. religion had nothing to do with the bombing. thats like if a muslim bombed a muslim community in a muslim country, then the community decides to rebel against a new mosque being built there. which doesnt make sense. it would be advantageous for you to sit at your computer a little longer to dream up something a bit more sensible.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:46 am |
  16. joe america

    when terror is used, it creates suspicion. all veiled women could be potential suicide bombers. all muslim men praying on their carpet in the sidewalk might be happy to kill you and your family. You just dont know.
    This wasn't the case before 9/11.
    it worked, they succeeded in creating a terrible stereotype for themselves. and its here to stay.

    August 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm |
  17. cyaml

    this is going to cause serious issues at the site...i'm sure there will be a lot of destruction.

    August 5, 2010 at 6:50 pm |
    • jbobj

      Why don't american Muslims ever stand with there American brothers and sisters and condemn the 9/11 attacks. Join arm and arm to help protect against further attacks. Will a significant Muslim leader stand up and mobilize its followers to stand up against those that want to kill all of us.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:11 pm |
    • Marsha

      Damn straight.

      Why don't the Muslims in this country and ALL OVER THE WORLD, go out and kill all the radical ones? What is the matter with you people? We don't care if you are Muslim or Methodist, we have to refuse to allow terrorism to destroy innocent lives.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:35 pm |
    • Linda K.

      @Marsha: I'm a Muslim and I don't like the radical Muslims but why would I want to kill anyone? I do try to educate, but it's a big world with over one billion Muslims. And why should people want to destroy this mosque? What is the purpose? What will they gain? Why is any violence necessary? I hate the actions of those who were responsible for 9/11. Unfortunately, they didn't ask my permission.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:43 pm |
    • averagejoe

      @jbobj – why don't Americans who supposedly care to know what Muslims leaders have to say about 9/11 do a simple google search to find out what Muslims leaders have said about 9/11. To save you some trouble, here is one site dedicated to educating the public regarding Muslim condemnation of the terrorist attacks: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

      August 5, 2010 at 11:53 pm |
    • Colin

      Is it just me. Or is Islam trolling NYC?

      August 5, 2010 at 11:56 pm |
    • Calypso

      @Marsha
      Oh yeah, let's stop people from being violent radicals, WITH RADICAL VIOLENCE!

      August 5, 2010 at 11:58 pm |
    • jbobj

      I just read my post and must appologize for my spellng and grammer. I'm an engineer so you know how that goes.

      I think there is also an Arab culture issue at stake. It is rare for an Arab to criticize another Arab. Especialy in front of a non-Arab. Chineese and Koreans have a similar twist. It is actually from a sincere attempt to prevent another from being embarrased. Similarly there is an avoidance of blaming anyone.

      So Mohomad chockes on some pork. Who is to blame? Why the dead and roasted pig of course. "Blame the Pig"

      That is why no Muslims will not condemn the 9/11 attacks. They would be criticizing a fellow Muslim. Their silence is a tacit approval. By the way, I have heard several American Muslims state that the attacks were "tragic, yet justified".

      I once worked with a Muslim that told me he believed that he was commanded by Islam to kill me. I told him he would die first and he agreed.

      August 5, 2010 at 11:59 pm |
    • jbobj

      @Linda K. – I undestand that you are trying to educate. But you still side step the issue. Do you condemn the 9/11 attacks and those that committed them? Can you declare it that bold of a statement?

      August 6, 2010 at 12:11 am |
    • Barbara

      I do not think the Muslim community understands how angry people still are over this act. I am not a bigot and have worked in minority based jobs for years now; however, I would NOT put a mosque near the Twin Towers simply because it is too soon and people are still angry. It many ways it reflects the same anti-American anger in other countries. Perhaps the mosque should be put elsewhere , not so close to the Twin Towers, so it won't cause as much controversy. To imply that it is only bigots who are against it is very unfair. The fact is many people are still angry about what happened and do not want a reminder of those who crashed airplanes into buildings killing people simply because you have the right to do so. There are responsibilities in play here and the Muslim community would be better served to pay attention to those responsibilities.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:12 am |
    • jbobj

      @averagejoe – I agree that the Media has little interest in presenting these kinds of statements. The Mosk in NYC may be a great opportunity to make that kind of statement. Since it getting so much attention it definitely has the attention of the media. Do you thik it would be possible to have some kind of plaque or memorial at the Mosk that has a condemnation of the attacks that people could sign their names to.

      Do you know of anyone that could be contacted with (that isn't receiving hate mail) that is affiliated with the project?

      August 6, 2010 at 12:17 am |
    • JP

      Throughout history, as the ultimate "dis", religions have built their own religious buildings over the remains of the most sacred grounds of others that they've just finished destroying – just look at the mosque in Jerusalem. While this may not be directly on the exact same ground, I believe it strongly parallels this heinous custom. The problem is that the people who are doing it are completely unaware or unconcerned about how this affects anyone else, nor do I think they really care. This is out and out wrong – whoever does it. Unfortunately, the Muslims are probably the biggest perpetrators of this act – shame on you!!!

      August 6, 2010 at 12:24 am |
    • Dennis

      A muslim will never stand in arms with a christian brother or at least denounce 9/11 because we are the enemy and the terrorist are the warriors.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:33 am |
    • -_-

      What planet do you people live on?

      Honestly... a Muslim American will never stand with Christian American and denounce terrorism? or 9/11?

      I would do that any day.. and I am a Muslim.

      The ignorance on this website is incredible... have half of you people even SEEN a real live American Muslim?

      August 6, 2010 at 12:39 am |
    • -_-

      Dennis: You are confusing two words: terrorist and Muslim.

      MUSLIMS that ARE NOT RADICAL do NOT view TERRORISTS as WARRIORS.

      We view them as the cold blooded , retarded, human filth that they are!

      Muslim does not equal terrorist. These words are not interchangeable.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:42 am |
    • seek&find

      9/11 was an inside job! is there really any doubt about that?

      August 6, 2010 at 12:48 am |
    • Mike

      Without going into a theological justification, I liken this to putting a pizza joint at Auschwitz or any other concentration camp, if you are a religion of peace, well then peace out, build it somewhere else.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:02 am |
    • Ronnie, from New Orleans,LA

      Ok, lets look at this, first of all the main etnic group who is opposing the Muslim Masque is White Americans, the same fear faced, lying , cowardly, control hungry, bigited people who is dealing with immigration in Arizona, the same White people who lied on Shirley Sherion,a Black America, and hates President Obama and opposes every step he makse to make this country better.

      These radical White cowards will stop at nothing to fully gain back the power they have lost over the years. From forming political hate groups like the Tea Party movement and paying a coulple of Black and Muslim tokens to join there hate filled group so the can lagitamize themselves as a diverse group of Americans. These fearfull White Americans are so scared that Black, Muslim and Hispaniic Americans will join forces and go against White Americans, Soon White peoples fear will doom them all, I just pray it does not doom America as well.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:04 am |
    • Emma the Grey

      No, there won't be. This is a non-issue. It's New York.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:10 am |
    • Mike

      Way to skirt the issue Ronnie, from New Orleans,LA, what to identify yourself as, I'll wager whatever ethnicity you are you put American last. I suppose you hate those who hate, you probably have used the term racist just to shut someone up to win an argument. You are not from AZ so you can shut your cakehole about the issues there, it is a whole different kind of problem

      August 6, 2010 at 1:17 am |
    • dcg309

      Yes, this will cause serious issues, but not just at the ground-zero site. The problem is that Islam has no voice. It appears to be a chorus of clerics and followers marching toward confrontations that will inevitably result in destructive behaviors on both sides. It is the Ulama that need to clarify and calm both believers and non-believers. If Islam is a religion of peace then its content must not continue to be the inspiration for evil.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:20 am |
    • John Toradze

      CAIR has NOTHING to do with American muslims. CAIR is an unindicted conspirator and is highly likely to have been involved in the 9-11 attacks. CAIR is under investigation by the FBI. CAIR has been exposed in the book "Muslim Mafia" by P. David Gaubatz, CAIR has sued the author, not for lying, but is trying to get their "stolen property" back so that the evidence is gone.

      CAIR is part of Al Qaeda, paid for by the same people. No kidding. No joke.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:27 am |
    • -_-

      Why would you hope for that? For a plane to crash into the mosque while people are praying?

      Why on earth would you hope for that?

      They are not terrorists, and they are not Al-Qaeda, they are every day people like you and me.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:40 am |
    • -_-

      Oh my lord. Honestly. Islam is an inspiration to evil?

      There are about 1 billion Muslims on earth. A few thousands are terrorists... and 'evil'.

      I'm not seeing a correlation. ESPECIALLY in MUSLIM AMERICA.

      August 6, 2010 at 1:45 am |
    • Tania

      I teach in New York City, I am a Christian woman and the hate that flows over this issue is TOXIC. Let me point out that there are mosques throughout the five boroughs of New York City where devout Muslims try to lead good lives, condemn terrorism, work hard for the American Dream to ensure their sons and daughters are not exposed to the evil of terrorism. The American public makes it really hard for a person who is tolerant of others and has never hurt anyone nor subscribed to radical Islamic beliefs to move forward. STOP STEREOTYPING.... THIS IS AMERICA....OUR COUNTRY IS BUILT ON DIVERSITY....For those backwood people who have no exposure to other cultures STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES. A small portion of people did this... The attacks have been condemned by the Islamic community repeatedly and if we are to move forward as a community we must learn from each other and accept differences, not be afraid of them. I welcome the mosque into that community.... just as I welcome them into the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens... It hurts me to see this issue even come up... The religion did not attack us.... idiots did....

      August 6, 2010 at 2:01 am |
    • Amanda

      jbobj

      You said that a Muslim coworker said that he believed he was commanded to kill you. It is impossible that he would say that unless you said something like I will attack you, and your people, destroy your livelihood, etc. It just simply is impossible that he said it the way you are sounding that he said, that is if he said it at all.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:05 am |
    • Bierman

      @jbobj: Listen up, this is a jew speaking up on behalf of the muslim Linda K. I'm sure the young woman can speak for herself, but I find it ridiculous that you would want an apology for the 9/11 terror attacks from a random muslim person. It's insulting.

      Let's say for instance that you might be a white christian guy or a german goy as the case may be, should I be able to ask for an apology for the holocaust from you or from every German I see? No, of course not, that's ridiculous. Hitler didn't ask permission from the people to kill millions of jews, what makes you think this young woman should bare the responsibility for what a bunch of evil b@stards who happen to have wildly different views on the same religion did?

      We know who did it, we should blame those guys and those guys only. You blame people who didn't have anything to do with it and all that does is spread hatred around. Besides, jow humiliating it must be for a young woman, or anybody for that matter, to have to bare such blame because of her faith. Most muslim people aren't any different from anybody else.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:08 am |
    • Chuck

      well put joobj I agree. It seems all they do is scream about their rights and not those of the people BORN here. They want to change us to Muslim and if we are not Muslim....then eliminate the infidel, so naturally they will not stand with us. To stand side by side with the infidels...again infidels are everyone that is not Muslim....is going against Muslim beliefs...which is why in Texas their is a Muslim ran mall that closes to honer the martyrs on 9/11....they want to change us and twist our laws to favor them..racism cards played no matter what the dispute and no matter what the situation...it's sad and shows a huge flaw in the immigration system.....unfortunately the United States has a president that bows to Muslim kings so lets just hope he doesn't give them a country before the people can fix a wrong...and people....I am not a Democrat and am sad that the Republicans don't have a really strong candidate, but at this point I would vote for a fridge magnet before giving Obama 4 more years to really wreck the country....lok at the damage he has done so far....wake up people before women are wearing veils, not allowed in schools, not allowed to work and beaten and killed if a man gets jealous due to his inadequacies as a man...time for a change.

      August 6, 2010 at 2:38 am |
    • Andrew

      Seriously you ask why don't Muslims go out and kill all the extremists... Why don't Christians go out and kill on their extremists, like the FTLSers who force underage girls in to marriages, Or the IRA who until recently would bomb good portions of Ireland in the name of god and country. Or the KKK who still operate and who some (not all) promote violence... Before you tell others to take care of their trash...maybe you should take care of your own.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:03 am |
    • Bierman

      @ Chuck: Lot's of muslims are born here, serve in our military, pay taxes and obey the law. Those muslim people in NYC are americans for the most part and if you ever served in the military, you'd know the first thing you do is swear to defend the constitution from any attack. Denying them the right to build a place of worship is an attack on the constitution as sure as any and a shameful display of bigotry.

      Freedom of religion is at the top of the list in the bill of rights. You go agains the bill of rights and you're down right unamerican. I don't like patriotic truthisms but that one you can't deny.

      I'm a Jew and served this country a long, long time ago during a very terrible period in american history. You think maybe jews and muslims never fought before? It's a lose-lose situation. You think I served in the army maybe so other people could crap all over the constitution when it became convenient? Either these people get their mosque or you are shaming the very creation of this country. You know they used to treat jews and black people the same way in this country before people learned better.

      You see the kind of stupid fighting over in the homeland? Israel? With all the killing and hatred you could drown in it forever. You know how that starts? It starts when people deny other people their rights because they don't like an entire group of people because of what only a few of them have done and then it escalates on forever. If nobody steps up and makes a stand against intolerance it will shame you for the rest of your life when you get to be my age. You either stop it now and show your determination to live in a country where all men are free or you steal their rights and become one of the many sad, cowardly figures our nation left behind in the civil rights era.

      You think maybe the Bill of Rights was signed because they thought it would look good in the library of congress? Nertz. Lemme guess, you'd go to war over the 2nd amendment but you wouldn't lift a figure to protect the 1st amendment? Is that how it is for you? You can't have it both ways.

      Be a real mensch, do the right thing.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:11 am |
    • crmrz

      I wonder what would happen if a Christian were to build a place of worship in Iran or Afghanistan?

      August 6, 2010 at 3:26 am |
    • 55reasons

      Muslim and leader are two words that don't co-exist in a single person.

      August 6, 2010 at 3:41 am |
    • Mike

      Hope in one hand and crap in the other, see which gets filled first.
      I hope that they are not doing this as a slap in the face of the people killed. I hope that some asshat extremist does not blow up the mosque.
      I hope that not taking steps to protect the people both inside and outside of the mosque will work. It is a horrible idea, this is not a perfect world.
      Hang your hat on hope, send you child into a room full of reformed pedos, and hope their ways have change, or just keep them the hell away and be sure nothing bad happens.
      NOTHING good will come of this.

      August 6, 2010 at 4:00 am |
    • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

      Very likely. This provocation by the unrepented Muslims may just escalate the conflict. There are religions and there are religions. Islam, at this point, is synonymous with its most militant part, the 'jihadist' – call them terrorists or whatever. The total nonsense of our bigotry has no basis in reality. We ARE afraind of Muslims, the killers as well as the Muslims, their admirers.

      With a few exception (none in the Muslim world), the leaders never properly condemned 9/11 and the imam to become the 'boss' of this abomination blamed America immediately after the attack for 'partially responsible' for it. No American policy (and it is sometimes bit misguided or one-sided) is a reason to kill thousands of people. Never ever.

      If something happens at this 'center', only the arrogant Muslims are to blame.

      August 6, 2010 at 4:48 am |
    • boody

      There are two issues: 1- So many Muslim leaders condemned the 9/11 attacks. But CNN and major news agencies just don't report that. They just report the question why Muslim leaders don't condemn the attacks! 2- 9/11 was an inside job, and the WTC towers didn't fall because of the airplanes, it was a planned demolition. How a small fire make building 7 fall in free fall speed! Search on Youtube to know how NIST fakes results.

      August 6, 2010 at 5:10 am |
    • samson

      I dont understand why we treatening muslims like this do you know they are second largest religion in USA about 7 million and none of those 911 terrorists were American , but I olso I heard lot of those 911 victims were muslims about 200, so can you tel me whay some of us take this as only their grief and blame other inocent muslims , we are all greaving those we lost in that targedy and this mosque shoud be like other Church and syngoges in NY and let all enjoy freadom of this country

      August 6, 2010 at 5:15 am |
    • jeff

      free the JUICE!!! (oops...ah, sorry!)

      August 6, 2010 at 5:28 am |
    • cobra81

      What pisses me of is the fact that the americans are so obsessed with the muslims and anything that happens they blame the religion ?there is hundreds of terrorist organisation in the world like ETA ,IRA, and nobody speaks about their religion but when it comes to al qaeda they blame the muslims !use your brain people dont listen to propaganda of the government , the christianity must be responsible for massacres of hiroshima and nagasaki and the vietnam and hitler s massacring of jews , so dont go and build churches in hiroshima and israel ,its the same as the americans saying for the muslims not to build mosques in new york ,AND WHY ISNT AMERICA TERRORIST WHEN THEY HAVE KILLED MANY PEOPLE IN JAPAN ,VIETNAM,AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, WHY ?OR BECOUSE THEY CONTROLE THE MEDIA

      August 6, 2010 at 6:08 am |
    • GOD help us all

      Saying "Muslim does not equal terrorist" is like saying "Catholic priest does not equal pedophile". You don't see a lot of Muslims or their leaders making loud public announcements today vehemently denouncing the actions of those responsible for 9/11, just like you don't see a lot of Catholic priests or their Vatican leaders making loud public announcements today vehemently denouncing the action of those responsible for all the molestations of innocent children in their care. Maybe if we did, there'd be a lot less public and private outrage and hostility towards both groups.

      In other words, to all Muslims crying foul of the anti-Muslim sentiment over 9/11, put your money where your mouth is. Stand with us against those responsible. Show us your loyalty. Let us see it for ourselves, on national television and on the internet, then perhaps the idea of a mosque near Ground Zero won't be regarded as such an offensive slap in the face to the victims, their families and the rest of America.

      Because, up to now, you've been suspiciously quiet on the subject.

      August 6, 2010 at 7:04 am |
    • Common Misconception

      Why doesn’t every Christian in the world put a stop to the Westboro Baptist Church? Why don’t they apologize for invading the middle east and slaughtering Muslims by the thousand during the Crusades? Why don’t they publically condemn the IRA every time a church is built in Belfast? Why doesn’t every Christian apologize to every kid ever molested by a priest?

      Why? Because they didn’t have anything to do with those things, just like 99.9% of Muslims have nothing to do with terror attacks, and are just as victimized by it because ignorant people like you seem to believe all Muslims belong to the same secret club. Islam is just as diverse as Christianity, and shouldn’t be held to a different standard just because you are a bigot.

      By the way, even though they had nothing to do with it, most Muslim groups actively denounce the terror attacks. If you did a two-minute google search, you’d know this.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:19 am |
    • FromNJ

      Here are a group of people that issue Fatwas of death against cartoonists and cartoon TV producers for depicting something that THEY believe should not be depicted. Yet, they are totally insensitive to the emotions and pleading of so many people hurt, directly or indirectly, by 9/11. 9/11 no matter how you look at it (radical fundementalists or not) is inexorably linked with Islam.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:29 am |
    • Carl

      To everyone who says "Muslims didn't do enough to condemn 9/11", you are ignorant. www (dot) muhajabah (dot) com/otherscondemn.php

      Now you no longer have an excuse not to believe that Muslims are decent people just like you.

      August 6, 2010 at 8:31 am |
    • Rich

      Mr. Ahmed And Mr. Hooper, if you seek tolerance and ecumenical change, understand two issues. One, given the circumstances, the move to construct that mosque was insensitive, bordering on arroganct, and would be so for any faith that might encounter a corresponding situation. Two, in accordance with my considerable experience with the Muslim community, tolerance toward Islam would greatly increase if just one or two individual Muslims would disavow the incredibly cruel behavior of their brethren. I hasten to add, Moslem institutions have already done so, but the community at large has so far failed to commit on the moral and humane side of the issue. My wife and adopted children, all dear to me, are Muslims. My uncle-in law is a mullah. Still, I do not trust the good faith of the Muslim community. And I have very good reason.

      August 6, 2010 at 10:26 am |
    • Sean

      Maybe one of you can answer this for me... Are the "moderate" Muslims the ones that were flying the planes into the World Trade Center building on 9/11? Or are the moderates the millions upon millions of Muslims that were dancing int he streets all over the world when it happened?

      August 6, 2010 at 10:50 am |
    • Alicia

      Get over it people...stop acting like this is high school....there building a masq to worship Allah....I bet you people preferred if they built a bar and or strip club....thats how lame some of you are....I live next door to a Muslim Family...and they are very friendly and respectful....In the begining when they moved in I didnt really care for them....Since all this media nonsense on muslims....The husband and parents (many muslim couples support their parents and dont send them to Care Homes like many Americans do) would greet me every morning even though I would roll my eyes on them, and would avoid saying hi....Till one day the couples parents asked us how were doing...and invited us over for a party they were having at their house....After going to that event....my husband and i both realized how wrong we were by judgeing muslims, and labeling them as Terrorists....The family was so loving, sweet...The kids respect the elders to a level I had never seen before, and the elders show affection for children.... So get a life people...We have terrorists all over the world....many of them are Christians and Jews....let them build a Islamic Masq and praise their lord...or I should say OUR LORD...ALLAH=GOD.....it wont get you far....Stop the Hate...learn to love and respect....and you will lead a happier life....

      August 6, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • Me

      Hmmmmm ... is it not true that the quran states that the infidels MUST be killed in the name of Islam? Sems to me this is the basis of the 911 attacks. It also makes statements about the women and killing them for certain "Sins". Is this REALLY a religion of peace. I don't see this preached in the Christian bible.

      August 6, 2010 at 11:55 am |
    • jbobj

      @Amanda – It was simple. We were working on a project together about 20 years ago. We had known each other for several years and usualy ate our lunches together. There was a song that had come out titled "Jihad". I asked him about some of the lyrics knowing that he was a Muslim. He told me that if he were to be a good Muslim he would have to kill me. He did know that I was a Christian due to my weekend activities. I have a witness to ths conversation.

      There is a misconception that America is a Christian country. Only about 10% of Americans are active believers that read the bible at all. Much the same with Jewish people. Slight difference is that Jewish people are mostly genetically related while Christians are not. A person must choose for themselves to become a Christian. No one is Christian at birth. A Jewish person is Jewish at birth due to there parents geneology.

      August 6, 2010 at 12:13 pm |
    • Tony

      I say build it so good Americans have an outlet for their frustration and anger the Muslims are causing the entire world including their own homelands. Id let my dog take a dump out front and hope I was confronted by a angry Muslim that would dare lay hand on me. I promise they wouldn't walk away from it.

      August 7, 2010 at 10:24 pm |
    • John

      Ideology was the cause of the 9/11 tragedy. Ideology was the cause of the crusades. Ideology has divided mankind from the beginning. We owe it the sacred dead of 9/11 to keep all new development in the world trade center area secular and free from any ideology (no crosses, no jewish stars, no korans, no bibles, no torahs, no temples, no churches, no mosques). NYC under its broad Landmarks authority gives them the power to do this and take all of this damned ideology off of the table and the let the dead rest in peace and the rest live in peace.

      August 8, 2010 at 6:14 pm |
    • Ruth

      It still comes to mind, that these terroist groups are STILL working hard to destroy our American peace. Now they are converting American people to help kill us Americans. I don't see any trust in that. What can American muslims do to help our aid against terrorist threats?

      August 10, 2010 at 10:39 am |
    • free2comment

      Re the headline; no, no, they don't perhaps the Muslim thinker underestimates the Intelligence of the American vanguard; read about spline keys, the secret of min, lusonas and other quirky islamic matters at apage in the life blogspot com and let's all get on the same page. Time to Let Go, and Let God. or is it Let's go! or Lettuce go>

      August 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm |
    • Thalios

      The American Muslim community is out of their freaking mind to think that the events of 9/11 are forgotten. Find another spot for your mosque idiots.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:35 pm |
    • jin cheng

      oh my gosh! what r you doing American readership!!! wake up!
      America is not my country but I know that the mosque might give you American severe problems!
      l dont understand why did you stand some of law for protecting terror but just easily they can infiltrate into America.
      that is so ridiculous!

      August 19, 2010 at 3:02 am |
  18. Mike

    you have got to be kidding. I cannot believe they would be so incredibly insensitive as to build a mosque on that site. EWWWW I really wanna hurt somebody.

    August 5, 2010 at 6:48 pm |
    • Doug

      They want to rub our noses in this.. They feel victorious and want to be as close to the killing field as they can get... These people are monsters !

      August 5, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
      • Kendall

        They who Doug? You generalize way too much. Nearly 1/6th of the world's population are Mulsim. Do you really think that the majority of them thought what happened on 9-11 was a good thing?
        Do you think that the Christians in Europe thought that the Crusades a thousand years ago was a good thing?
        How about the Christians in Germany during WWII?

        Making generalizations on a group merely by one detail like their religion is foolish to say the least.

        I am curious: How many Mosques have you been to? How many Synagogues? How many Muslims have you personally knew? How many Middle East nations have you visited?

        August 5, 2010 at 9:29 pm |
        • hawk

          Kendall it is not about one detail of their religion, but their teachings. Read and learn and you will find out that anybody that does not convert to islam should die by the sword, its not me that says this but its them and their book.

          August 5, 2010 at 9:36 pm |
        • Victor

          Actually, I've read their book and read hadeeth that don't permit killing of non combatants.

          August 5, 2010 at 10:51 pm |
        • Caspian

          Here are some verses for you from the Quran. Read it for yourself.
          9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then SLAY the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them;
          4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and KILL them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

          August 5, 2010 at 11:20 pm |
        • Kendall

          Caspain...might I suggest you read the Book of Judges and Joshua. I do believe the ppl of Israel completely wiped out every man, woman and child within many cities simply because they were not worshippers of God.

          August 5, 2010 at 11:36 pm |
        • Caspian

          Kendall,
          If I remember correctly, Israel was never asked to destroy any nation simply because they were non-jewish. Jews were specifically instructed in Exodus to never mistreat the alien among them, as they were aliens in Egypt.

          Now the quran instructs moslems to kill and mistreat non-moslems and you will find generic terms like "non-believers" and specific people like Jews, Christians and idolators. They are not targeted against a nation that fought the moslems, but used against all non-moslems.

          August 5, 2010 at 11:52 pm |
        • AZI

          Caspian,

          don't make things up. there's no where in Quran that says kill non-believers just because they are non believers. to give you the bottom line, here are two verses from Quran that say it all:

          60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

          60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:01 am |
        • Watching

          @ Caspian ...Luke 19: 26-27 “but this enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and slay them in my presence”.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:09 am |
        • YouDopes

          Watching, You are quoting a parable (a story, if you have trouble understanding), not a commandment!

          The Parable of the Ten Minas
          Luke 19:11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
          14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

          15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

          16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

          17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

          18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

          19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

          20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'

          22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'

          24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'

          25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'

          26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

          August 6, 2010 at 8:31 am |
        • Nimrod

          Been a while back. Not something that the Jews or Christians have really been doing or even professing for oh, I don't know, what, about 1000 years maybe.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:22 am |
        • AZI

          @ Caspian, if you just want to list stuff without knowing what they mean, that's ignorant. here's the verse just before the one you listed
          "9.4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous"

          if you have a problem with that verse, it means you don't believe in the right to defend your self. what are the US troops doing in Afghanistan??? aren't they fighting back those who attacked them ???

          the other verse you mentioned was talking about muslim betrayers who worked with others to kill muslims. here what says:

          4.88 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

          4.89 They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

          4.90 EXCEPT those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

          August 5, 2010 at 11:39 pm |
        • SkyLion

          Awesome response.
          It like my teacher always used to tell me. Read the whole chapter/book first then analyze it.
          He used to tell us to let the other person finish talking ... and then state your opinion.

          It says in the Quran: DO NOT PRAY (this is where everyone starts jumping up and down and ask ....why do we have to pray then?) .... but the next line is .... IF YOU ARE INTOXICATED !!! So without reading the full line/sentence/chapter/book ... do not start jumping up and down !!!

          WhyIslam.Org

          August 6, 2010 at 12:37 am |
        • Americano

          AZI,

          STUPIDITY CAN KILL YOU FASTER THAN SITTING ON WHITE TRASH TRAILER PARK WATCHING "KING OF THE HILL".

          This is controversy really showed the true color of some white trash biggggots.

          During the roman time they were so scared from Christianity they killed, tortured, slaughter anyone who believe or pray for GOD and what happened???

          Christianity became stronger and stronger and NOW,

          Everyone is trying to crush the muslims as a religion and as humane being in every which way they can from "PAT ROBERTSON" (THE KING OF HATE AND RACISM), to the Alaska's queen of white trash and the controlled FOX NEWS MEDIA etc...

          AND DECADES FROM NOW history would repeat itself...
          and every other

          August 6, 2010 at 2:40 am |
        • Sarah

          Thank you so very much for this intellectual contribution. People like you need to speak up more often and defy ignorance.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
        • hoeech

          Allow me to repond to that with a little something called Deuteronomy 20:10-17 - When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes”

          August 6, 2010 at 12:08 am |
        • Watching

          @ Caspien...Luke 19: 26-27 “but this enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and slay them in my presence”.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:08 am |
        • Kendall

          @Hawk- I have read the Quran.......but may I also suggest you read the Book of Revelation from the Christian Bible. I do believe that if you have not converted and become a follower of Christ you'll end up in a Lake of Fire. Kind of an ultimatum if I ever heard one.

          August 5, 2010 at 11:03 pm |
    • -_-

      Doug, you simply amaze me with your idiocy. If you truly believe what you said, then I truly feel sorry for you.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
    • Emily

      You do know that it is not solely a mosque, but a interfaith center that INCLUDES a mosque? And that it is actually two blocks from ground zero? I'm sorry, but you cannot pick and choose who gets constitutional rights. It is this that makes our country great, and blatant racists and bigots are determined to mar a whole community of people, most of whom have nothing to do with the events of 9/11.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:32 pm |
    • CL2

      The mosque is not on the site, it is two blocks away. Quit living in fear. These people are not your enemy. You wanting to hurt somebody is how this all got started in the first place. Wake up and learn to love your fellow brothers and sisters.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
      • observer

        CL2 I bet you wouldn't be loving your Muslim brothers if the sword was on your neck.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:48 pm |
      • hawk

        CL2 you speak of love from muslims, but the truth is they don't even love themself, kids, wife etc, etc, etc... what makes you think that they love their fellow american brothers. You wake up and if you love them so much, move to Iran so that you can fullfill your own dreams

        August 5, 2010 at 9:47 pm |
  19. evensteven

    I'm not Muslim and in fact, I do not belong to any religion. But I think it would be a wonderful statement of the religious tolerance on which this country was established and a positive gesture toward Islam and the millions of good, wonderful Muslims around the world if our country would support the building of this mosque. It would actually help make our country a safer place.

    Yes, the Muslims of this country would be well-served to communicate in positive and creative ways the good represented in Islam and the Muslim people. Every religion has a sense of the sacred which we can all identify with. Islam is no exception. We need to look for the good in people.

    August 5, 2010 at 6:28 pm |
    • Dew

      "A wonderful statement of religious tolerance"???! You've got to be kidding me. How can anyone be tolerant of a system of fanaticism founded on the oppression of women and annihilation other religions. Though I am not particularly religious, I do believe this country was founded on the principles of preventing oppression of all kinds. The "Freedom of Religion" must apply in all directions, and those that don't adhere to principles of freedom are defacto enemies of the U.S. Constitution and the United States of America.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm |
    • Snowdog74

      Doug: Maybe you should learn to read. Or are you afraid that knowing more instead of knowing less will cause you to think more and be more progressive-minded? Funny how knowledge and education does that. We wouldn't want you to burst a brain cell.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:32 pm |
    • CL2

      I fully agree with you. Doug is an idiot without an opinion. "These" people did not attack our trade towers. They are spiritual beings seeking awareness and a more collective view on the world -which is more than their brothers and sisters in opposition are doing. New York should welcome this and any other path supporting the highest good in all people. One country's terrorist is another country's freedom fighter. Isn't that how we took control of this country in the first place. Fear based living will only further divide us. Whatever path brings you peace, knowledge of the true nature of what you are and a path of conscious living is the right path for that individual. This includes the practice of Islam. We need to quite worrying so much about everyone else and let go our attachments – our need for validation and agreements in our belief systems.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
      • David Stone

        "These People" silently stood by when it happened for the most part. And the "Good Muslims" around the world stand by silently as the "bad muslims" form groups and schools to teach terrorism and hate, when they mutilate and behead and stone people in public, on and on. The problem with islam is that the "good majority" ALWAYS stands by silently and allows the "bad few" to do their things seemingly with a nudge and a wink sometimes, then stand behind this defense of "but most of us don't do that".....it's really tired and old, and I think a lot of people are seeing through it now.

        August 6, 2010 at 10:24 am |
        • Sarah

          David Stone,
          You know what? I'm sick and tired too. Sick and tired of the ignorance of people like you. Right now among the death toll in this war against terror do you know that the larger number of dead is INNOCENT MUSlims? Who are risking their lives to rid the world of crazy people using 'Islam' as an excuse for behavior that Islam itself strongly condemns and in fact holds sinful.

          You say Muslims stand around and 'let' things happen-
          well, first- how do you suggest Muslims combat this; and second why does combating this global problem lie solely on the shoulders of just Muslims?
          Do you suggest Muslims form organizations, lead efforts and demonstrations against radicalization of Islam? Including military efforts? Because all that has already been done. Just because you haven't not looked for it or have chosen to not acknowledge it does not mean it has not happened.

          It is just so unfortunate that the media does not pay even a fraction of attention to Muslims' efforts against radicalization and terror organizations than it does to the terrorist organization. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be a responsible citizen and find that out for yourself before you make comments based on racism and hatred.

          August 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm |
        • CSnord

          Careful ... thinking like that will have you strapping on an explosive vest in no time....

          August 11, 2010 at 12:25 am |
    • Burner

      We recognize there are stand up Muslims through out the world but the issue is when are they going to speak out and stand up in public world wide about those Muslims who are terrorists. Espeicially those terrorists the hide behind a great regilion and culture.

      Building this mosque now is like having a synagogues in Gaza.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm |
    • The LORD

      Doug, you have a lot in common with the radical muslims which you have so much venom towards. You both characterize an entire group of people based on the actions by the radical few, and use that as your platform for hatred and bigotry. You represent teverything that is wrong with America, and really the world.
      I'm sorry, but your "our country" "your country" "these people" rhetoric makes no sense. It doesn't matter what religion someone is, if they are born in America, they are American...

      August 5, 2010 at 8:10 pm |
    • Benji

      Doug actually makes a point... I think it's fine to have a mosque for "tolerance." But put it somewhere else. Would the Muslim community fight so hard to have it in Harlem?

      August 5, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
    • The LORD

      There are already mosques in Harlem...and I believe that any religous group would be fighting for any situation where there are those who want to limit their rights as Americans, and not allow them to build a house of worship on a particular site. Do you think there are protests about a church or youth center being built at the site of the abortion clinic in Kansas whose doctor was shot in his own church?

      August 5, 2010 at 8:17 pm |
    • willowspring

      Any "religion" that espouses killing others because they do not "convert" to their so called religion is nothing more than a murderous cult.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:21 pm |
    • madarain

      I think it would be a wonderful expression of compassion and sympathy if the muslims who want to build this mosque would realize they are hurting people deeply by building a mosque anywhere near this burial ground...The fact that they want to commemorate it on 9-11-2011 reveals their true intention...claiming victory. Something they want but will never have.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:21 pm |
    • CERO

      Until Muslims, en mass, take to the streets and denounce terrorism that takes place in the name of their religion, then they don't deserve a mosque. I am not talking about Muslim leaders issusing statements, I am talking about them leading their flocks, taking to the streets in large marches across the US, speaking adamently against Islamic inspired terrorism, honor killings, forced marriage and rights for women. Until they do this, they do not deserve to have any property on on near ground zero. To allow the building without this is like condoning all the thing Muslims won't speak out against en mass.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm |
    • Bob

      Better idea: send the worshipers of the 7th century turbaned pedophile back home.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:48 pm |
    • lorne

      burner,
      " building a synagogue in gaza"
      difference is that even if someone wanted to build a synagogue in gaza they would not be allowed to. Muslims have built many mosques in any number of western countries. also try building a synagogue in saudi arabia, or iran, or any number of muslim countries. so i don't understand your point at all.

      August 5, 2010 at 8:56 pm |
    • Priscilla

      I agree. Muslim groups need to make a point of demonstrating to the American people that they are not affiliated in any way with the terrorist group responsible for 9/11. It is hard for American citizens to seperate the two. Good press goes a long way.

      August 5, 2010 at 9:06 pm |
    • nomoregbldgk

      The problem is not any religion but literacy. The ones who highjacked each individual's ability to read and think for themselves also highjacked your planes, your televions, your computers and ultimately the responsibilty rests squarely on each individual's shoulders to learn to think for themselves and not just lackadazically follow the crowd or what is shouted from a soapbox, a pulpit, or the high mountain. Turns out the Quran is actually a cookbook of sorts read the secret of min at a pageinthelife blogspot com and while you are laughing your heads off someone tell me what the 754th electronic systems group is all about that they can't seem to get enough of that site.

      August 5, 2010 at 9:09 pm |
    • Bill

      Very well said....I respect your position as I struggle with this one. Thanks for your POV

      August 5, 2010 at 9:10 pm |
    • Bill

      Tend to agree with Priscilla – where is the public out cry from the Muslim community? Why isn't there more of a public stance, more effort to let the rest of the country know they are Americans too? If I was part of that community I would feel compelled to make sure EVERYONE knew.....there are A'holes over here and we're on your side too to get rid of them.

      Am I wrong here? Is there an stance in the community and it just isn't reported?

      August 5, 2010 at 9:23 pm |
    • Braveheart32

      People like you are a curse to America. You have no idea what you talking. Islam is deception and there is nothing good about it. You call Islam good because it's against freedom, democracy and civilisation. First go read Quran and speak to an X Muslim about Islam and they will tell you what is true Islam. They clearly teach to kill and hate non believers and destroy everting that is against Islam. They will always say there is no compulsion in Islam , the truth is this verse is abrogated and replaced by the latter verse calling Muslims to kill every Jews and Christians..Do you call this a religion..???? then what is the meaning of PEACE and Coexistence...

      August 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    • Dr David

      Building a Mosque here a few blocks from the WTC Attacks shows absolutely no empathy for the victims of the disaster and as we have seen over the 9 years since that the victims are not just those who were laid to rest but ALL AMERICANS who are still trying to live a normal life buffetted by trauma. TheWTC site is a shrime to the many victims who held various faiths including ISLAM. They all melted and blended together when those buildings came tumbling down. When we know that ISLAMIC EXTREME FUNDUMENTALIST caused this tragedy it is a slap in the face to ALL AMERICANS to allow this tragic construction to even be considered. Yes, it's constitutional to build again where is the empathy even for Muslims that died in the buildings? I do not think they were happy to give their lives for what those bombers believed! They were just going about life trying to be Americans and building and working on thier American dreams. Do you think they would think it alright if you insulted their memories, their peaceful hopes in AMERICA that these terrorist stole? In fact many of these same terrorist come into this country to study peacefully, find residence peacefully, become naturalized peacefully and take those peaceful protections provided to them by the constitution to attack their fellow USA countryman. Why can't this so called Islamic leadership that dwell in this country put their adopted HOME that we call the USA above their own petty aspirations. How about this Islamic leadership stand up and combat the anti USA nationist sentiment that exists all over the world in MOSQUES. There are so many other streets and avenues in NYC where a Large wonderful Mosque could be built, why does it need to be in the shadow of this tragedy? It makes no sense but to insult. It's supposed to be a center for peace that brings people together. How about sending out a heartfelt apology first to all the victims of 911, sharing empathy with them, and say no to this build! How about you Islamic leaders stand hand in hand with AMERICAN BLACKS, WHITES, ASIANS, MEXICANS, GREENS, PINKS, YELLOWS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, MUSLIMS, VEGANS, whatever ,who call themselve true RED , WHITE, and BLUE AMERICANS so that the worlds media can see that THIS IS THE MELTING POT THAT WE HAVE PEACEFULLY SETTLED WHERE I AM FREE FROM PERSECUTION To BE MYSELF! I AM AMERICAN FIRST and if you attack my country, though I wear ALLAH over my heart, I will stand with my fellow americans and come after you with every resource I have to rain down retribution!! Mybe then all the middle east countries would think twice before attacking this peaceful country that gives so much of it's resources to the problems that exist in this world. Poverty, hunger, social welfare and discord, famines, earthquakes, Sunamis, plagues, you name it the USA. AMERICAN ISLAM stand up to wear your Americanism proudly!!!!

      August 5, 2010 at 10:10 pm |
    • -_-

      1) I am a Muslim and I often come on CNN to tell the ignorant that they are wrong.

      2) Expecting Muslims to flood the streets to denounce terrorism is unrealistic. There are many muslims, like myself, who try to fight misinformation but it is nearly impossible when there are so many people who willingly remain ignorant. Right now it feels like a battle that cannot be won.

      3) Talking to ex-muslims about Islam is like talking to ex-christians about Christianity. *Of course they will say bad things about it*... duh?

      4) Nowhere in Islam are men taught to treat women like they do in Afghanistan. Nowhere in Islam does it teach murder. Murder is one of the greatest sins in Islam... JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ABRAHAMIC RELIGION. Those who claim otherwise are spreading misinformation. Culture is all too easily confused with religion.

      5) I converted to Islam by choice so I could marry my wife. I came from a Christian upbringing. Oh, and I don't want to kill anybody.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:11 pm |
      • M&M

        you would not have been allowed to marry a Muslim if you didn't convert. Doesn't that speak volumes about this religion and any other religion who make you convert to theirs in order to get married. A Muslim would not have an infidel marry into their family. Very cult like and very controlling.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:34 am |
        • Junaid

          Miss America comes from a mixed family- her father is muslim and her mother is not. There are countless marriages like that. If you only look for what you want to see then you will find it. You are only trying to find evil in islam- if i were trying to find evil in christianity, judiasm, any other religion, i would be able to. But that doesnt make those religions evil. Open your eyes, dont take things out of context. Try to unite instead of divide. Ask yourself what would jesus do.

          Lets not let history repeat itself. Lets learn from our mistakes. Lets not hate but instead try to unify.

          If you try to separate american muslims from the rest of america then you weaken america- but if you try to unite us all then you strengthen us and help end extremism. This is a real opportunity to strengthen america- i say we act on it.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:57 am |
        • David Stone

          Actually, she is Miss USA, and she is very pretty. SO WHAT. What in the earth does that have to do with the fact that islam is a sick death cult with no redeeming qualities, the only religion with an organized world wide effort to wage war against non-believers, the only "religion" where the "good ones" stand by silent as the "bad ones" commit horrific acts of terrorism, wagging their fingers later saying "we don't support them".....I'm tired of that game

          August 6, 2010 at 10:36 am |
        • SR

          Junaid:

          I assume you consider yourself a pious, "moderate" muslim. Here is a simple question for you, can you answer it?

          Have you ever thought about whether there may be something in the teaching of your Prophet, Mohammad, that might be the cause of this problem in the world (i.e. mass killing of infidels and subjugation of women)?

          For example, here's an article today in Newsweek from a Catholic who has pondered such questions about his own faith and come to some conclusions. Can we ever expect a question like this from an Islamist? Ever?

          "As I went from my adolescent to my teen years, I and many others like me began to have doubts. Can a supposedly all compassionate and all forgiving divinity only like one type of human and have created a place of eternal damnation for those who are different? "
          http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/ramdas_lamb/2010/08/who_owns_god.html

          Why are Islam and islamists like you, totally devoid of the self-introspection trait that is found in other great religions?

          Is it because of your fear that asking these questions might be considered "blasphemy"?

          Is "fear" the motivating force for your belief in your religion?

          My challenge to you and apologists like you is simple: "When are we going to see a reform of the Koran (similar to the Protestant Reformation) and in Islam from "Moderates" like you?"

          For those of you who are waiting for the "Moderates" in Islam to speak up against the killings in the name of Islam, you may want to move on. It's never going to happen, at least not in your lifetime.

          Again, why? Read the history (of Islam).

          August 6, 2010 at 11:43 am |
        • Junaid

          I actually did question by religion which led me to learn more about it and i feel it has only strengthen i belief that islam is a peaceful religion. I took a course about world religions a few years back and it intrigued me so i went learned more about all the diffferent religions and their histories. What ive learned about all these religions is that their message is a peaceful one- but people are have their own agendas and some use religion in a negative way to achieve their own goals.

          I think that your perception of "islamist" is wrong, we are told at a young age that it is okay to question religion but you should also search for honest answers. There is no compulsion in religion(you will find that in the quran), so if you question islam and find that you dont believe in it, then that is your choice.

          I dont fear asking questions and i think that is precisely what you should do in all religions. But your questions sound like you ahve your mind already made up but i will answer honestly and i think i have already answered some of them.

          Well i believe that this islamic center is a step towards "reform." Opening an islamic center and having it be open to the public and trying to reach into the community for a goal of tolerance and understanding is exactly the reform we need.
          It not only helps non-muslims learn about islam but it helps muslims learn about non-muslims and will help to create a better understanding so that we can strengthen amercia.

          I am a muslim, i despise the terrorist who attacked my country on 9/11. But those people are not true muslims.

          SR- islam says to kill an innocent person is like killing all humanity- you should only fight in self-defense.
          and i have read the history of islam and i suggest you reread it with an unbiased opnion. Islam is actually a progressive religion. in the 7th century islam helped the womens moment and gave them more rights then they had before. It helped give others who were less fortunated have rights.

          SR- my question to you is, how many muslims do you know?
          Do you honestly believe that our sole goal in life is to kill you or convert you? you dont think we want get an education, buy a nice house, start a family, and live in peace just like you?

          i suggest you stop hating, not for me or anyone else but for yourself because your hatred only hurts you. I hope i have answered your questions. If you have more i dont mind answering, but i hope you answer mine as well.

          take care

          August 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm |
        • whatinit

          TAQIA in its highest form.
          try some news at 'the religion of peace dot com'.
          – Malaysian woman fails to nullify conversion to Islam when 7, vows to fight for Hindu rights
          -Journalist accused of atheism arrested in Maldives [4 incidents in two months including Zakir Naik's involvement of a case]
          -No need to talk about status non-Muslims in Islamic countries.
          -Try some sites like faithfreedomDOTorg or jihadwatchDOTorg to learn more about islam.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |
        • whatinit

          This is a reply to Junaid.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |
        • Junaid

          If you read what i wrote correctly you would see i said that religions generally have a message of peace- people however use religion for their own purposes, hence the examples you gave.

          Because someone does something wrong does not mean that the religion preaches it.
          If no other logic makes sense to you, put yourself in my shoes. People hate you for things others have done

          August 6, 2010 at 2:38 pm |
        • Sarah

          Whatinit,
          first of, I agree with you- evil people are everywhere, so then why are you so adamant about blaming Islam for these particular acts of violence? Islam does NOT preach any killings of innocent and specifically condemns suicide- much less suicide bombings! This is the Islam that million of Muslims practice. If someone decides to ignore these teachings and kill out of hatred and call it in the name of Islam- then what's Islam got to do with it??
          When a nut-job bombs an abortion clinic- they do it in the name of Christianity, do you then blame the entire religion for being faulty? I doubt it.

          Second, it is highly biased of you to 'learn about Islam' from propaganda websites developed by people who aren't even Muslims? and are in fact anti-Islam. If learning about Islam was truly your intent you would go somewhere that was actually recommended and followed by actual Muslims. This would be WHYislam.org
          Please check it out- maybe it will clarify a thing or two for you.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:58 pm |
        • Sarah

          News Flash SR: I'm a Muslim and I am speaking up (yes in your lifetime!). The reason you haven't found Muslims (and people who believe in Islam are called Muslims- NOT Islamists) condemning the attacks on 9/11 is because you haven't looked for it. (I am guessing you are a FOX news watcher). There are plenty of Muslim organizations and governments that have spoken out against terrorism and are leading efforts against it. People often forget that Muslims too have been a target of terrorism. Plenty of Muslims died in 9/11 and not to mention in other terror attacks around the world.

          It is ignorant of you to not be able to separate millions of Muslims (following the most peaceful religion on earth-Islam) from the actions of a radical few. If I started to follow your logic then I should completely disregard the article you posted because Catholic priests are child molesters and I should surely not care what they have to say. But if you can separate Catholicism from those priests, why can you not separate Islam from radicalism.

          As for questioning your religion- you'd be surprised to find that Islam actually encourages that. In the Quran it says repeatedly that more blessed are those who ponder and reflect. Every time I've had a question about something in Islam- I have found the answer either in the Quran itself or from the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and each time the answer more than satisfactory.

          For example, I am a Muslim woman and I questioned the fact that why do female have to wear the Hijaab (the head covering and modest clothing). What I found, made me even more determined to wear the Hijaab and gave me more confidence in it. The reason Muslim women veil themselves is because so they do not have to abide by the society's pressures and standards of beauty. This is so they will be recognized by their character, personality and ability rather than the outwardly beauty and therefore be given equal treatment as men. There are much more detailed reasons for this and for that I invite you to google this subject or check out: WHYislam.org

          The last thing I would like to clarify for you pertains to your comment on "reformation of Quran". See, unlike any other religion or religious text in the world- Muslims believe that Quran is the actual divine word of God. It is even the opinion of Christian and Jewish scholars that the Bible has been so changed over the years that it is now the word of Humans-not God. Quran, on the other hand has been the same- WORD BY WORD since the past 14 hundred years. Absolute and exact same. It is the ONLY religious text to survive centuries without anyone making a change to it, because we believe that God Himself took an oath to protect it. Therefore, there never can be any changes to it because this text itself is a miracle of God.

          For more information or question you might have- I suggest you visit WHYislam.org

          August 6, 2010 at 12:47 pm |
        • SR

          Sarah:

          Your ignorance about other world religions is absolutely breathtaking. Where do I start...

          You claim that the Quran is the only book in the world that is the same WORD for WORD for 1400 yrs. The ONLY Book, huh?

          Then YOU have not heard of the Vedas, they were written 5000 years ago and you know what there was not even books then. But they have been maintained orally for 5000 yrs. Word for Word. You know why? There is a form of the Vedas called the SAMA Veda that is sung. Hence, they recite it fast like a song and that's how they remembered it.

          You say that the Quran is Divine and given "straight" from "your God". Let alone, Mohammad's obsession with "Your God and My God", let me straighten you on this.

          The Vedas are assumed to have been given by God straight to us Hindus. Nobody knows the origin or the ancientness of the Vedas. I am assuming it is 5000 yrs old but it could be older.

          So here you are LECTURING us about how peaceful your religion is, all the while, trying to patronize Islam as some "true religion" as if all others are following some false religion.

          And a message to all you Islamists: Please don't try to get score some brownie points by claiming that you, the Christians and the Jews are all blood brothers and how much you love them. They know how much you love them. It shows....in the Middle East.

          All of us posting here are not just jews, christians and muslims. There is more to this world than that. Get a grip.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:05 pm |
        • SadPanda

          Hey idiots! My magical deity could being up your magical deity! Na na naboo boo stick your head in doo doo. We should be killing eachother over real things like resources...killing over self contradicting, hypocritical fairymen is totally out. GROW UP!

          August 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm |
        • Junaid

          Hey SR- you didnt respond to my questoins, i answered yours honestly. Im expecting the same.

          August 6, 2010 at 4:18 pm |
        • SR

          Junaid
          Please don't misunderstand me. I don't hate muslims or any body else. But i can't stand the shirking of responsibility that a founder of a religiona has and its followers as well. I understand we are all humans. We make mistakes. However, a "Prophet" and a "Book" supposedly from God should not have hatred and advocating the killing of infidels and such. Such a"prophet" shows that he is just human. Such a "book" shows it is just the words of a human. This is the perspective that Hindus and Christians have developed over their "Books". Unfortunately Islamists and Muslims never developed such maturity. This is what i called "reform". I am a Hindu and i have never seen Hindus en masse going and killing people like the Islamists have rampaged throughout History. You don't have to believe me, you can just Google it. The number of people killed by Islam, Christians is an unbelievable amount. So there is something wrong there. Start your questions from there. Islam and Islamists will become peaceful, neot just through empty words from people like you.

          We need a rational discussion of Islam and the Koran from within Islamists. Otherwise, the rest of us have to start researching Koran rationally and make a real peaceful religion out of it. You give us no choice.

          August 6, 2010 at 9:09 pm |
      • question

        What kind of woman is your wife that makes her love conditional on your religion? What kind of religion is Islam that engenders such bigotry?

        August 6, 2010 at 3:52 am |
        • daniel

          Many Christians require spouses to convert to their denomination, as do many Jewish folks. Its not uncommon. To say this is cult like is just ridiculous. You're obviously a racist. Or just ignorant.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:20 am |
        • allie

          yOU CAN'T BE RACIST OF A RELIGION......

          August 6, 2010 at 8:23 am |
      • Stephanie Anderson

        Yeah define muder according to Islam. Killing an innocent, right? Well, too many Muslims define innocent in some mighty strange ways! You are not innocent if you 'spread corruption', Muslims take that as prosletyzing. Voila, you are not innocent anymore. Or if you fight against the domination of Islam in government. Not innocent anymore!

        August 6, 2010 at 10:08 am |
    • RawDawg

      Maybe if there had been a mosque a little closer to the World Trade Center buildings they would not have been targeted. That would be like us hitting a target next to a recruiting office.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:12 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      MashaAllah, very well said, it's very refreshing to read the comments like yours. Most people blind themselves with ignorance and bigotry and it only creates a bigger gap betwen faiths and understanding.
      Thank you sir for your post. May Allah's peace be with you.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:29 pm |
    • First Born American

      Hearing all this talk about this Mosque so close to ground zero only makes my blood boil. When they allow a Church or Synagogue in Mecca I will then know that Muslims are in support of religious tolerance (there is a Mosque in Rome). When handing out the Bible or the Torah in Muslim nations, or even being in possession of one, is punishable by jail or even death is the way in which Muslims operate with no voice from the "silent" majority just shows those of us who are paying attention that their silence is deafening. If i am ever walking by this place with my dog I will allow him to take a big deuce right in front of the door (to show my respect of course). Tolerance works both ways and until it comes from Muslims, Muslims will have a tough time receiving it.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:41 pm |
    • Steve Schoner

      You are very ignorant of the facts... HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE KORAN? I have and it is FULL OF HATE TOWARD JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND THOSE OF OTHER FAITHS. And what is worse is that these ideas are 7th Century ideology that IS BEING PRACTICED TODAY... AS 9/11 APTLY DEMONSTRATES.

      Do you know what Cordoba was, or stands for? It stands for the Caliphate of Córdoba, and it is the aim of Islam to tear down the palaces of their perceived enemies and replace them with mosques. Thus Islam conquered their adversaries, and this has been done throughout the world. The Dome of the Rock, the Church of St. Thomas in Damascus destroyed and replaced with a Mosque. I can go down the line of history and show this to be the case where ever Islam has "conquered." Putting a Mosque anywhere near Ground Zero is an AFFRONT TO ALL AMERICANS. And if not it should be to all, just as much as if Japan proposed to build a Shinto Shrine to honor Hirohito at Pearl Harbor, or some half brained group putting up a monument to honor Hitler at Auschwitz... They can build their Mosque anywhere they like, but not on our "sacred" ground where Islam killed 3,000 people. Humm... I wonder if they would like us to build a place of Christian worship and a memorial for the 3,000 they killed on 9/11 in Mecca right within sight of the Kaaba.... What do you think ?

      I have read the Koran from page one to the very bitter end... And I already know the answer.

      August 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
  20. Reality

    Why we cannot build bridges with the koranic-driven horror that is Islam:

    Muslim convert journalist Stephen Schwartz, American Jewish Committee terrorism expert Yehudit Barsky, and U.S. Senator Chuck Schumer have all separately testified to a growing radical Islamist Wahhabi influence in U.S. mosques, financed by extremist groups. According to Barsky, 80% of U.S. mosques are so radicalized.

    August 5, 2010 at 6:24 pm |
    • DAISHI

      I'd like an independently financed, non partisan survey conducted rather than one by a potentially biased American Jewish Committee. I don't like attacking the messenger but in this case I think it's appropriate to question the source, ask for further study and then begin arguing the point.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm |
      • J.B.B.

        There is already a mosque there ... why rebuild a bigger, taller, in-your-face one?? Take those millions that it will take to construct it, and give it to needy people in your homeland or for reconstruction in your homeland to ease the financial burden on the American taxpayers who are paying for that reconstruction! Further, if the current mosque has not helped to better muslim relations in America for 20+ years, what makes you think a new one will?! Lastly, if you don't like our American ways, GO HOME!

        August 5, 2010 at 11:03 pm |
        • Americano

          JBB

          WHY NOT?

          Aren't they AMERICANS???

          First excuse it is ON GROUND ZERO
          Second excuse it is near GROUND ZERO
          Third excuse WHY BUILD IT BIGGER
          Fourth excuse GIVE THE MONEY TO NEEDY PEOPLE

          Response to number:
          1: IT IS NOT ON GROUND ZERO
          2: IT IS TWO FREAKIN NY CITY BLOCKS (you now how far is that)
          3: When a church/senagogue become too small don't they work on it to make it accommodate growth so WHY NOT A MOSQUE

          AND MOST OF ALL THIS AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREE

          NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LAND FOR THE CHRISTIANS
          NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LAND FOR THE JEWS,
          NOT AN EXCLUSIVE LAND FOR THE PAT ROBERTSON

          IT IS A LAND FOR ALL AMERICANS!!!
          where as long as you obey the law YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUILD WHAT YOU WANT AND WHEREVER YOU WANT ETC.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:16 am |
        • Amanda

          You are right AMERICANO.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:33 am |
        • Watching

          Why did you highlight his name...is this another way to racism.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:05 am |
        • AGeek

          You make it sound like two blocks is a large distance. Were you aware that the building in question was damaged by a part from one of the planes flown into the Trade Center? ...that's not sufficiently far away in my book.

          August 6, 2010 at 9:35 am |
        • Americano

          Ageek,

          so what>>>>

          THIS IS AMERICA – THEY ARE AMERICANS – READ MY PREVIOUS POST.

          NO ONE AND NOTHING SHOULD HINDER, OPPRESS, TWIST OUR RIGHTS as

          AMERICANS

          NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON ARE.

          OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICANS ARE NONE NEGOTIABLE...PERIOD

          Otherwise, for every little reason here and reason there you and all the white trash ignorants would want to twists our rights for this reason or another.

          NO WAY JOSEEEEEEEEE

          August 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm |
        • Sarah

          Thank you Americano- ditto!!

          August 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm |
        • Faraz

          American ways? whats the american way? Look back at the country's history to what is now and how we got here and define what is the American way!

          August 6, 2010 at 12:15 pm |
      • percysmama

        I am not a Jew and I do not support this insensitive move. Stop fighting the Jews. 9/11 was an attack on all of America.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:36 am |
        • AntiPalinAlaskan

          Building an Islamic Community Center is NOT "fighting the Jews". The attacks on 9/11 were not primarily aimed at Jews-they were aimed at American imperial arrogance(and no, I don't agree that that's how such arrogance SHOULD be attacked).

          9/11 was a universal tragedy. It was not an event in which Jewish people were singled out and it is offensive to imply that it was. Or that it had anything in common with the Holocaust.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:55 am |
    • Craig Considine

      @Reality – that is simply not true. I was with Ahmed for Journey into America and entered over 75 mosques in one year. I can tell you that the Wahhabi influence that those people claim is exaggerated and politically motivated. I saw very little traces of Wahhabism. Please refrain from making ridiculous statements without any credibility. And stop spreading gross rumors about Muslim Americans and Islam.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:15 pm |
      • Victor

        Gracias!

        August 5, 2010 at 10:55 pm |
    • Doug

      Hey Daisha... You can build the mosque, when we can build a synagogue in your country ... How's that hater !

      August 5, 2010 at 7:16 pm |
      • James Bond

        Excellent point – for each mosk they erect here, we should be allowed to build a Christian church, a Jewish temple, or a Pagan place of worship on their soil. It will soon become clear who's society is one of tolerance and whose is not. Freedom of religion only works, if we are equally tolerant of each other. Unfortunately, the islamists are using our freedoms as Achilles heel to establish their expansive radical ideology, until nobody is left to speak up. It is time we amend our Freedom of Religion and from Prosecution laws to protect our core values that our ancestors instituted.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm |
      • nomoregbldgk

        Jews were charged with preserving Sacred Scripture and not ever meant to be a 'separate' ethnic group. The fact that that experiment failed and they became elitist and closed themselves off from others is the reason the Message had to be renewed. Read more. Learn more. Think Smart. Start with a primer.
        The Secret of Min (if you can get in )at apageinthelife blogspot com or The UFO Human Link...keyword 'zero point field'

        August 5, 2010 at 9:26 pm |
      • AntiPalinAlaskan

        It's not Daisha's fault that you can't build a synagogue in Saudi Arabia. Most Muslims are NOT Wahhabis.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:51 am |
      • Yatnavalkyan

        There is not a single sinagogue, church or temple or freedom of religion even for Shias in Saudi Arabia. how can Whabism exported from Saudi be allowed to spread its vicious tentacles in USA and all other countries? It is very obvious that this triamphalist mosque is planned , funded and orchestrated by Saudi oil money and the ideology of Islamist Supremacism. This mosque is going to be a monumnet to Muslim insenstivity and triamphalist mentality.

        August 6, 2010 at 3:34 am |
    • -_-

      Doug, you are a fool.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • -_-

      I'm the fool? You just said "you towel heads make me sick!"...

      You are just another ignorant and prejudice idiot.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:28 pm |
    • Doug

      I'm ignorant, prejudiced ? Hmmmm I didn't drive 2 planes into 2 buildings in Manhattan... The Muslims did that... The are the haters and perjudiced !!! Know the facts and don't put spin on it ok !

      August 5, 2010 at 7:31 pm |
      • Conqui

        "the Muslims" didn't do any such thing. 19 individual Muslims with a radical, perverted concept of Muslim beliefs did that. Crazy, illogical thinking like yours ends up being intolerant of anything besides similar crazy beliefs, in a perpetual cycle of irrationality and ultimately destructiveness.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:21 pm |
        • Sashland

          19 fundamentalist muslims who followed the letter and spirit of the green book, as shown by edicts from their religious leaders, attacked the US on 9/11. They were as muslim as muslim can be, and THEY have the stronger claim that "non-radical" muslims don't follow their religion correctly. Read what is written about that book by people who have fled the religion, under threat of death, and learn what the liars from CAIR (un-indicted conspirators and with many leaders convicted of aiding terrorists).

          The game is deception, but the words of the book are clear – it explicitly calls for hate crimes. This is an active command for today's times, and is acted upon daily in murders and attacks throughout the world.

          Don't believe the deceivers, or me; go investigate and learn for yourself and you will begin to recognize the serious threat to our country and our freedoms.

          August 5, 2010 at 9:35 pm |
        • Steve Schoner

          No you are wrong. Read the Koran, if you can stomach it. It rambles just like Hitler's Mien Kamph, and reads like it, too. Full of hate toward Jews, and Christians. No, the ones that did the deed on 9/11 are true to Islam, they held to heart the very essence of the Koran, because that is where it leads. So read it first before you prove your ignorance for the facts. There is no such thing as a "moderate Islamic" for according to the Koran they are in the ranks of the Infidel, and are to be killed just like them. Go to Google and check out "Hatred in the Koran" for an eye opener if you cannot stomach reading that foul hate fulled book.

          August 5, 2010 at 10:53 pm |
        • Kendall

          Steve..and to others, I suggest you study up on the history of the Muslims and Jews. You will see that Jews have had a lot harder of a time in Christian nations than Muslim ones. in 1492 the Jews were booted out of Spain....not to mention England, France and other nations around that time. Christians did that to them not Muslims.
          Mohammed wrote the 'Constitution of Medina' which promoted interfaith relations with Jews and Christians. In the Hadith, Mohammed even said, "He who wrongs a Jew or Christian will have myself as his indicter on the Day of Judgment."

          August 5, 2010 at 11:13 pm |
        • SheDillo

          So, these 19 just had a spontaneous brain fart and decided to get a wild hair up their butt to commit their atrocious crimes? You are saying then that they didn't learn a specific ideology from some of your so called peaceful, loving leaders and then acting on those teachings. Get real and give us a break. The radical views of those 19 were not rare back then and they certainly aren't today...By just figuring the law of multiplication and how wide spread these 19 were across America these evil ideals must be far more widespread than many decent Muslims would like to accept. It is your job to fix it and you can't reasonably expect any other religion or culture to accept you fully until you do.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm |
      • Conqui

        "the Muslims" didn't do any such thing. 19 individual Muslims with a radical, perverted concept of Muslim beliefs did that. Crazy, illogical thinking like yours ends up being intolerant of anything besides similar crazy beliefs, in a perpetual cycle of irrationality and ultimately destructiveness.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:22 pm |
        • Ladislav Nemec, Big Bear, CA

          Your are partially correct. I am still waiting, however, for fatwahs being issued by the 'good' Muslims against these 19 and bin Ladin. Will never come. Usually, only small number of people claiming to be the 'representatives' or 'vanguard' of major religions or political movements commit murders. The issue is: are the perverted as you say or are they heroes/martyrs for large number of 'good' Muslims?

          I will not advocate any harm to Muslims in general but I will prefer if they practice their religion somewher else. They are, of course, not all murderers but they certainly are fifth column among us. What you are saying is just a regurgitation of politically correct mantra that completely ignores facts and reality.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:30 pm |
        • Conqui

          @ Ladislav: What ignores facts and reality is a system of logic which justifies painting 100% of any group with the actions of some members of that group. Even if most members of a group believe something, there is no system of logic which says it can therefore be concluded that all members of that group believe the same thing. Being rational and following every known method of logic is not a matter of being politically correct. PC these days seems to be the practice of not disputing nutcake intolerance based upon irrational and illogical thinking.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:39 pm |
        • AZI

          How do you know that there were no fatwas condemning those horrible actions??? there were 100s of fatwas by well known clerics against terrorists, but the media was not interested in showing that side of the picture...

          August 5, 2010 at 8:59 pm |
        • Mike

          Will never come? There have been many already issued condemning 9/11 specifically and terrorism generally. Get your facts straight.

          August 5, 2010 at 10:51 pm |
        • SR

          They are a "fifth column" everywhere. I came from India and as soon as we became independent, they started agitating for kicking out all the Hindu Pandits who were living in Kashmir for thousands of years and wanted Kashmir to be an "independent nation under Allah".

          So if you are thinking that America is not under threat once Muslims become a significant majority in any state, then you are on the right path.

          Wait and See America, this provocation by the Islamists in NYC is just the beginning. There are hundred more provocations yet to come. If you give in now, you will have no way to stop it.

          August 6, 2010 at 11:47 am |
        • madarain

          Conqui; You are wrong. Everyone on earth saw all the celebrating from all the Muslims worldwide on 9-11. We all saw it, from Cairo to Baghdad and many, many other places too..DANCING while innocent strangers DIED. Celebration while the Bodies Burned. LAUGHTER while the victims CRIED. 19 men huh?...except they were funded by rich Arabs and trained by maniacal demon called imams to do the dirty work of 7th century throwbacks. They were not alone...many supporters and millions of fans...NOT ALONE!

          August 5, 2010 at 9:50 pm |
      • Shantal

        You didn't drive 2 planes into Manhattan? Really? because I thought that was you. Meh, oh well.

        August 6, 2010 at 4:39 am |
    • Doug

      Let them build it... We will see what happens then...

      August 5, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
    • -_-

      AL-QAEDA BLEW UP THE TRADE CENTERS! Muslims did not! YOU get the facts right! READ SOMETHING

      August 5, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
      • dublnirish

        Simply this...all Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims. Change the problems within your own religion and maybe you will earn respect. Otherwise, keep on the path you are on trying to argue your case and continue to suffer the backlash. Build you mosque and see if there is one crazy deranged individual that shoots everyone just for that fact. I doubt there will be much sympathy forthcoming but you might get an "I told you so"!

        August 6, 2010 at 7:24 am |
        • daniel

          What about Timothy McVeigh? He was Christian.

          And remember those sniper shootings in DC? Not muslim. You need to educate yourself man, seriously, or just start thinking before you say something that ridiculous.

          August 6, 2010 at 7:47 am |
        • Common Misconception

          The DC Sniper was a Muslim, actually. I'd use the IRA as an example instead.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:22 am |
        • Colton

          The IRA is NOT a good example. The IRA was born out of what the Northern Irish Catholics felt was a need for protection against the Brutal British Police who were attacking and harrassing them, as well as Protestants in the communities who were doing the same.

          The IRA was provoked into existence, and if you know the history of the Irish/English struggle then you also know that for teh English, it was a long time coming. I don't condone the violence, but DO NOT compare the hate that the IRA feels for the English to the BLIND hate that Muslim EXTREMISTS feel toward Americans.

          Also.. modern-day Irish struggle was not about religion. Nationalists vs. Republicans. It was about representation.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:27 am |
        • David Stone

          DC sniper? Not part of a WORLD WIDE GLOBAL JIHAD. Mcveigh? Same thing. IRA? Same thing, they are a local issue....there is no WORLD WIDE effort by catholics or protestants to wage holy war.

          August 6, 2010 at 10:37 am |
        • BobRoss

          daniel – Timothy McVeigh was an agnostic, he said so himself. However, even if he were a Christian, and people who claim the Christian religion do commit terrible crimes, that still does not nullify the arguments about Islam. There are many major differences between the faiths, and one cannot discount someone's claim about Islam simply because of their beliefs or because of the actions of a different faith.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:23 am |
        • Gary

          daniel DC sniper was a muslim

          August 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm |
    • Snowdog74

      @Doug: When white people bomb abortion clinics do we get to ban churches from being built here? You armchair patriots love to wave the flag but you have no appreciation for the freedoms for which it stands, or how much blood was shed to have those freedoms... particularly religious freedom. Be careful what you wish for, because one day it may be one Christian denomination deciding to ban all other Christian denominations. After all, isn't that essentially why the colonists fled England?

      When you yahoos run out of people to persecute, you start persecuting each other. If you took the time to read anything, you'd have learned this in history class.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:36 pm |
      • SB

        That history lesson is taught in middle school...he didn't make it that far...lol

        August 6, 2010 at 1:52 am |
      • David Stone

        Bad analogy. White people (one guy I believe) bomb an abortion clinic, it is NOT part of a a world-wide organized group who gathers under the banner of a given faith to wage war in the name of GOD. SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

        August 6, 2010 at 10:30 am |
    • Kendall

      Doug- So I guess that means no one can build a church in Waco..considering what Chritsians did there? No one can build a church in Israel because of what the Crusaders did there. Actually...all Churches in N and S America should be taken down because of what Christians did to the Native Americans. Right?

      August 5, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
      • hoeech

        Now, now....don't start using rational thought and reasonable comparisons with these folks. You'll make their little heads hurt.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:06 am |
    • Ann

      Doug, you are misguided in placing blame on an entire community for the crimes committed by a few equally misguided people. When you start hurling insults like "towel heads", your arguments lose all credibility. Please try to be civil.

      August 5, 2010 at 7:41 pm |
    • superfly

      "Doug

      I'm ignorant, prejudiced ? Hmmmm I didn't drive 2 planes into 2 buildings in Manhattan... The Muslims did that... The are the haters and perjudiced !!! Know the facts and don't put spin on it ok !"

      So, Doug, it was Christians who persecuted 6 million Jews during WWII. You gonna blame all the Christians for that?

      August 5, 2010 at 7:55 pm |
      • Adrian

        It was christians who foght the nazis and helped save the jews. Besides the nazis wanted a racially pure Europe and didnt care what religion you were.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:07 pm |
        • watching

          500 Years of crimes by the Church and it's followers...from the Spanish inquisition, to Hitler and the KKK

          August 5, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
        • Foreverzionist

          We don't hate muslims in this country, we are just demanding respect for our institutions and values. Be more of a team player.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
        • asdf

          Though America has many catholics we are still considered a protestant country (granted with our deficit you would think we are a catholic country ala Greece (orthodox), Italy, Spain, Ireland, Portugal). Also note almost all of these sins were mostly political crimes that used the always corrupt Catholic Church to legitimize them. Also note most of your example occured a minimum of ten generations ago. We have come a long way baby.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:17 pm |
        • Adrian

          Read about the religion of Hitler he may of been christian in public but in private he was most likely an Occultist.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
        • The Choobs

          Add to that: History will look at the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan as modern Crusades, mark my words. We are terrorists too. Frankly, I wouldn't blame people in those countries for feeling animosity towards putting up a church. The difference must be, we allow room in America's freedom for ALL peoples to find their way towarcds pece and God.

          August 5, 2010 at 8:27 pm |
        • Sashland

          why did you take down the post where "watching" says he "masterb"s to the Bible?
          It showed what he really is about...

          August 5, 2010 at 10:12 pm |
        • Watching

          @ Slashland..I love the P0rn stories,,,but hey..Luke 19: 26-27 “but this enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and slay them in my presence”.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:15 am |
      • madarain

        Superfly, get you facts straight..it was Nazis and other fascists who killed the Jews in WWII, not Christians ...Christians are people who believe in Jesus and follow his teachings. Nazis are people who believe in Aryan mythology and followed Hitler. The fact that a few early references to Christianity were made by Hitler is no more proof than when Obama said he was a Christian. Both lied for political gain and both have proven to be otherwise...Hitler turned to the occult, Obama to islam...Here is a clue. If you sign up for mass killing, you are not a Christian...I don't care what you call yourself, if you pray to allah and go against Israel, you are not a Christian.

        August 5, 2010 at 8:38 pm |
        • Common Misconception

          Germany is (and was) a Christian country. They didn't simply stop being Christian because they commited atrocities.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:26 am |
        • Jerry

          Common Misconception... Germany's crimes were not committed in the name of a religion.

          Everything you have said so far has been dumb.

          August 6, 2010 at 8:31 am |
      • digital

        WW II was more caused by Darwin's survival of the fittest ideology studied by Hitler, than any religious beliefs he may have had. Comments like these just throw mud on the issue.

        August 6, 2010 at 8:42 am |
        • Lauren

          Thank you! So true!

          August 6, 2010 at 9:25 am |
    • Doug

      More spin and more bull... Why do you want a mosque at ground Zero ?... Come on, don't use our laws to shove your hate at me... When you drive 2 planes into 2 building I think you lose credibility ... Don't blame me, it is you that bestowed this hatred on yourselves... You reap what you sow !!!

      August 5, 2010 at 7:56 pm |
    • Doug

      When you go to Iran, Iraq, saudi arabia and the the united arab emirates we can't even kiss in public or we go to jail.. And they want to build a mosque here ... Are you serious ????? And you call me a hater ???? Hmmmmm Stay over there and I will stay over here !!!! Period !

      August 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm |
      • Americano

        DOUG, the dimmwittt,

        they are AMERICANS not Saudis nor Iranians.

        They are like you and me and have EVERY RIGHT to worship, pray ...

        If you don't like it THEN GET PACKING AND GO BACK TO YOUR LITTLE WHITE TRASH village in EUROPE.

        THIS IS AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEE

        August 6, 2010 at 2:29 am |
        • davidh

          You know you have decent points and arguments and what not but you took it a little far with the white trash part. No argument will ever be properly acknowledge while it is used in conjunction with negative terms. That being said your an idiot, while it is within the letter of the law for it to be built it is also within the letter of the law for people to protest its construction if they dont like it. And while it is not on ground zero the mosque is close enough, it has ended up becoming a symbol of frustration and anger for many.
          Putting that mosque/community center there is like asking for something to happen. Its one big tinderbox asking for a match. All it takes is one idiot, be it a radical muslim or otherwise. It probably wouldnt be a good idea for that mosque to be there until we are 5 years out of being in any war.

          P.S. go get your towel, wrap it around your head and go pray at a mosque in tehran where you can stone women and detain hikers for a year on false charges. I am sure you will fit right in.

          August 6, 2010 at 3:21 am |
        • Sarah

          Your ignorance Davidh is where you do not see the separation between Iranian/Saudi law, AL-Qaeda and One billion Muslims around the world.
          Did you know that Hitler was a Jew, do you know that the Ku-Klux Klan is largely a Christian based organization? Not to mention countless acts of terrorism done by Christians around the world. What about the fact that Catholic priests molests little children?? Do you also assume that all Catholics are child molesters?
          So in your head if you can separate Judaism and Christianity from the radical acts of few- why can you not apply the same logic to Islam. Wake up already. Saying that an Islamic Center is a target, IS NOTHING SHORT OF TERRORISM.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm |
        • r. m. giffin

          Hitler might have been born to Jewish parents but he was not a devout Jew....He did not commit atrocities in the name of religion.
          The KKK might have attended a christian church on sunday, but they did not do their deal in the name of Christianity. As for "countless acts of terrorism done by Christians around the world" In recent history? Where? When? And besides, this is about America...And i don't suppose you think catholic priests molest little children in the name of God...

          You logic is flawed....What this is all about is...certain members of a certain religion are violent..others are not..there is no way to tell the difference and the non-violent ones will not deal with the violent ones....
          And until they do..they will all be targets for people who do not trust them

          August 11, 2010 at 3:14 am |
        • Sarah

          Your ignorance Davidh is where you do not see the separation between Iranian/Saudi law, AL-Qaeda and One billion Muslims around the world.
          Did you know that Hitler was a Jew, do you know that the Ku-Klux Klan is largely a Christian based organization? Not to mention countless acts of terrorism done by Christians around the world. What about the fact that Catholic priests molests little children?? Do you also assume that all Catholics are child molesters?
          So in your head if you can separate Judaism and Christianity from the radical acts of few- why can you not apply the same logic to Islam. Wake up already. Saying that an Islamic Center is a target, IS NOTHING SHORT OF TERRORISM.

          August 6, 2010 at 12:48 pm |
        • whatinit

          Sarah,
          Evil people are everywhere. But the non-muslims who commit evil actions do it because of their individual selfishness/lust/greediness. But a when a Muslim commits it he/she does it based on Quran or Hadiths.

          August 6, 2010 at 2:03 pm |
        • Americano

          DAVIDTH,

          WHO IS THE IDIOT NOW...You can't even have analyze what I posted while you are actually making my point stronger.

          "Putting that mosque/community center there is like asking for something to happen. Its one big tinderbox asking for a match."

          That is what I said:

          NO ONE AND NOTHING SHOULD INTIMIDATE AN AMERICAN TO EXERCISE HIS OR HER AMERICAN GIVEN RIGHTS. PERIOD

          "And while it is not on ground zero the mosque is close enough, it has ended up becoming a symbol of frustration and anger for many."

          SEE MY EARLIER RESPONSE:

          They are Americans they can built, live, worship where ever and when ever.

          NOT AFTER FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 1 DAY etc.

          About your p.s.
          I AM AN AMERICAN FIRST, CHRISTIAN BY BIRTH, BAPTIZED, WITH FIRST COMMUNION ETC....

          The last time I checked Iran is a sovereign country, they have their laws and traditions. Who are you to dictate to them what to do?
          How many innocent people are sent to jail in our AMERICA SPENDING YEARS
          and then they found out that they were innocents???
          It is up to the Iranians, THE MAJORITY, to change their laws if they do not like it.

          The same is true everywhere...It is up to the people NOT UP TO YOU OR our GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS BAD.

          Through out history, people will STAND UP and take their RIGHTS sooner or later.
          The french did it.
          The Algerians did it against the french (WITH A COST OF ONE MILLION INNOCENT CIVILIANS

          The people of Libya against the British (same over a million life)
          India and so on and so on.

          BUT I guess living in a white trash trailer and watching "KING OF HILL" you can only see beyond "YOUR HILL".

          THIS IS AMERICA THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEE.

          I am pretty sure the Homeland security is crawling around the sites and taking note
          on any one threatening with violence and hate crimes because the last time I checked these are FEDERAL OFFENSES even if you target AMERICAN MUSLIMS.

          SO BEWARE... YOU WERE WARNED....hahahahahaha

          You are using scare tactics to scare and twist the hand of people to surrender their AMERICAN GIVEN RIGHTS.

          August 6, 2010 at 1:50 pm |
      • Faraz

        Dude I agree that a Mosque shouldn't be built so close to the site. But how do you say that it is all Muslim's who did this? How can you point at a random Muslim person and say that he did or didn't commit the crime? My point is that these terrorists who did this has only used religion as a scapegoat to create a something more out of nothing. Its your hate created from this tragedy that only leads to more tragedies. And you say why aren't Muslim Americans speaking out and taking action? I think they did in other countries and they have taken action too. Just google it. But as for Muslim Americans, we are no different from you guys, we have work and feed our family and enjoy our lives. We're just contributing as much as you are to the country's economy and welfare.

        August 6, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
    • Doug

      Let's stay with the subject... I never asked to put a swastika up where the jews were killed, that would be just sick.. a mosque at ground zero is the same... It's a victory mosque and all of you know it !!! Quite playing on the goodness of he American people... NO was in hell should this be allowed !!!!

      August 5, 2010 at 8:06 pm |
      • watching

        No but many of your Fathers cheered when Jews got killed by the Germans...I suppose your church supported that as well...

        August 5, 2010 at 8:07 pm |
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