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August 10th, 2010
06:16 PM ET

New York bus ad opposing planned ground zero mosque approved

From CNN's Julie Cannold:

An ad opposing a planned mosque near ground zero will soon appear on some New York City buses after getting the green light from the city's Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

The controversial ad features a photo of one of the hijacked jets flying into the burning World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, along with a drawing of a high-rise building with an Islamic crescent and the label "WTC Mega Mosque." The ad, emblazoned with the words, "Why There?" was initially rejected by the transportation authority.

The group that created the ad, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, sued the authority last week for censorship and obstruction of free speech.

The transportation authority approved the ad on Monday and released a statement saying, "While the MTA does not endorse the views expressed in this or other ads that appear on the transit system, the ad...was accepted after its review under MTA's advertising guidelines and governing legal standards."

Pamela Geller, executive director of the group that created the ad, said, "It's an issue of free speech. I mean, what is the principle of free speech? It's to protect all ideas, not just the good ones, not just the ones that everybody likes, but all ideas."

Geller said the main message of the ad is to express concern with the choice of location for the proposed mosque, not to oppose mosques in general. As to controversy that the ad has generated, she said, "Why is there an issue with the actual image of the attack, but not of a 15-story mega-mosque looking down on ground zero? I don't understand that at all."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which supports the planned mosque, expressed concern over the motivation of the ad and the effect it will have.

CAIR released a statement saying, "While American Muslims support free expression, we maintain the right to question the motives of the group behind the bigoted bus ads opposing the planned community center near Ground Zero. Anti-Muslim fanatics...are exploiting the tragedy of 9/11 to spread hate and fear. That kind of divisive tactic is not only insensitive to New Yorkers, it risks threatening the safety of an entire religious minority."

According to the transportation authority, the ad, which cost $8,000 to place on buses, will appear on 26 buses and will run for four weeks, starting some time next week.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • Houses of worship • Islam • Mosque • New York • United States

soundoff (84 Responses)
  1. Luke

    joe –

    I never liked that terrible argument. Here's why:

    When I debate religion, it is inevitable that a person that is of one of the many Christian sects will defend themselves from my attacks when I quote treacherous lines of the bible by saying something like, "That is not the true teaching of Jesus, It's irrelevant to today's society." To that extent, the same people then cherry pick lines out of the Koran and say, "hey, look, they are doing exactly what the Koran tell them to do", just like you did to me right here. It's a terrible piece of logic.

    In any event, if I were tell you that the bible specifically tells you to stone your children to death if they misbehave or cast a woman outside the city walls if she has short hair, will you obey? You aren't going to do so, are you? Same argument with the Koran. Don't be silly and cherry pick lines that fit your narrative.

    Moreover, I just adore how you defend the Catholic Church by saying, "Oh, they didn't follow Jesus, so it's all good, right? Yeah, they did terrible things, but they were just misguided." No Joe. Priests have routinely abused young children for the better part of a 2 centuries, with coverage from high above to avoid any law coming down on them whatsoever. And you stand beside them still? The muslims that attacked the US ten years ago were brain washed. They truly believe in heaven and that the only path is by what they did. What is most dangerous about this sort of indoctrination, is that it is happening here too. It is neurologically identical to what happened to you, Joe. It's the same neurological pathway that is in your head. You think following the teachings of your Church will get you into heave, and that means that you must deny homo-sexuals the right to marry and that the use of protection during s-e-x is outlawed. Clearly, these are nonsense, but the church taught you so, hence you follow. Identical brain activity. We will continue to slow our progress as humans so as long as pathways in the brain like this exist.

    August 11, 2010 at 9:38 pm |
  2. Luke

    I'm tired of this. Someone, who clearly can't debate me, keeps clicking the report abuse button and now even my cleanest of replies is blocked. I basically just put up a test post, which was in turn blocked because someone found a backdoor to censoring me because they can't handle my points.

    August 11, 2010 at 9:37 pm |
  3. Joe

    @Luke
    I believe all Christians, of which I am but not Catholic, are appalled by what went on in the Catholic church as well as the cover up. There have been hundreds of protests as well as a mass amount of people who left the Catholic faith because of what went on in their church. However your point is moot because the priests who committed those acts were not following the teachings of Jesus. The muslims who flew the planes into the WTC and tried to blow it up years before are following the teachings of Mohamed, 'O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers near you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous.'.

    August 11, 2010 at 9:16 pm |
    • Luke

      I never liked that terrible argument. Here's why:

      When I debate religion, it is inevitable that a person that is of one of the many Christian sects will defend themselves from my attacks when I quote treacherous lines of the bible by saying something like, "That is not the true teaching of Jesus, It's irrelevant to today's society." To that extent, the same people then cherry pick lines out of the Koran and say, "hey, look, they are doing exactly what the Koran tell them to do", just like you did to me right here. It's a terrible piece of logic.

      In any event, if I were tell you that the bible specifically tells you to stone your children to death if they misbehave or cast a woman outside the city walls if she has short hair, will you obey? You aren't going to do so, are you? Same argument with the Koran. Don't be silly and cherry pick lines that fit your narrative.

      Moreover, I just adore how you defend the Catholic Church by saying, "Oh, they didn't follow Jesus, so it's all good, right? Yeah, they did terrible things, but they were just misguided." No Joe. Priests have routinely abused young children for the better part of a 2 centuries, with coverage from high above to avoid any law coming down on them whatsoever. And you stand beside them still? The muslims that attacked the US ten years ago were brain washed. They truly believe in heaven and that the only path is by what they did. What is most dangerous about this sort of indoctrination, is that it is happening here too. It is neurologically identical to what happened to you, Joe. It's the same neurological pathway that is in your head. You think following the teachings of your Church will get you into heave, and that means that you must deny homo-sexuals the right to marry and that the use of protection during s-e-x is outlawed. Clearly, these are nonsense, but the church taught you so, hence you follow. Identical brain activity. We will continue to slow our progress as humans so as long as pathways in the brain like this exist.

      August 11, 2010 at 9:36 pm |
  4. Joe

    @Luke
    You and your future children are in my prayers. I hope you enjoy living under Sharia law. I got out of NYC just in time in seems. Perhaps you have heard of the "Camel's Nose in the Tent" parable. Maybe if you saw what was going on in Europe right now where they have appeased every request that the muslims have made from them you would understand the threat of "Creeping Sharia" . Maybe if you understood that in any Islamic country it is punishable by death to speak ill of their religion or prophet in any way. Maybe if you understood that women are considered slaves and anybody who is not muslim is considered Dhimmi. Maybe if you understood that Mohamed had relations with his 9 year old wife therefore it is legal in several Islamic countries to marry a girl at 9. But I realize you are probably to busy patting yourself on the back for how understanding you are of the people who want to build this mosque to worry about those other people, that are suffering under Islam like Rubina Bibi or Maryam Ghorbanzadeh.

    August 11, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • Luke

      I really how you assume that I am ignorant on the topic if religious studies. To that I say; wrong. I am very much aware of Islamic history and the current political battles in Europe, having lived there for quite a while. I won't bother replying to much of what you jibed at me, since it hardly warrants a reply. Perhaps you need a quick American history lesson. As far back as this country dates, there has been a sense of banishing the outsiders despite this being a country of immigrants. First, it was the Christians arguing that Black people were not fully human and therefore incapable of being Christians, so they could get around laws and enslave them. They worked the sugarcane fields so the white man can have his rum. It took another 150 years to give black people equal rights and we had to fight a civil war as collateral damage. Incredible. Then we imported tens of thousands of Chinese people to build our railroad, denying them rights of the land and then exporting them like cattle. Laws were passed in California to prevent them from having children that became citizens (this is your anchor baby argument).Then we rounded up the Japanese during WWII. Way back, there were signs across the land that said, "Help Wanted, Irish Need Not Apply." The government did little to help this along. Then we had this thing where it was communist to allow black people to marry white people – never understood that one honestly. And each time, this country overcame its differences and level heads prevailed. Today, we are doing the exact same thing to Muslim Americans. In time, this too shall pass and you will be on the wrong side of history, Joe.

      August 11, 2010 at 9:25 pm |
    • Luke

      I would very much enjoy replying to you, but I am being censored.

      August 12, 2010 at 10:52 am |
  5. RIghtaltheway

    I think I'll build a gay-Islamic bar across the street from this proposed mosque and see just how tolerant they and those on the left would be then – I'll cal it – TURBAN COWBOY – we'll serve 72 virgin cocktails. Do you think the left would like this idea.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:09 pm |
  6. GSA

    @Travis. Sorry Travis, you fail big time. I am Canadian as well and there were so many Muslims denouncing the attacks and many Imams here in Mosques across Canada were denouncing the attacks and praying for the dead and their families. I'm guessing you never talked to anyone that is a Muslim, never went to or saw on t.v. the many gatherings at Universities across Canada with the crowds being majority Muslim students publicly stating what happened was wrong, raising aid money, rallying against the evil people that did this and letting the world know what happened on 9/11 is not a representation of all Muslims. Try reading many newspapers, watching many news channels, look, listen, open your eyes. That being said, I am from Edmonton and none of our Catholic churches here have stood up and denounced the wrong doings of the Vatican and it's refusal to properly punish the child rapists within it's ranks (that still wouldn't make me hate Catholics in general and I wouldn't even consider the people who committed the wrongs Catholic at all). You don't see that though do you? At least have the guts like Reality and say what you feel (even though I do not agree with his viewpoint) instead of hiding behind lies. Please stop mentioning you're Canadian as well, it makes us all seem like a bunch of backward, red-neck bigots.

    August 11, 2010 at 10:28 am |
  7. Reality

    More evidence that there should be no mosques on the face of the globe:

    Wedged between a fitness center and a restaurant, the mosque called Masjid Taiba is a small, unassuming building in the central quarter of Hamburg. In the late 1990s, the mosque's prayer rooms became a cauldron of terror — the place where Mohammed Atta and his "Hamburg Cell" henchmen congregated before the deadly 9/11 attacks. On Monday, Aug. 9, German police raided the mosque, confiscated dozens of computers and files and announced that because the spiritual home of several of the 9/11 hijackers had once again become a magnet for violent extremists, the mosque would be shut down.

    August 11, 2010 at 8:02 am |
    • Americano

      REALITY...

      NOTHING TO DO WITH FEELING....

      IT IS ALL ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT PERIOD....

      TODAY ABOUT THIS GROUP FEELING, TOMORROW ABOUT THE OTHER GROUP FEELING AND SO ON AND SO ON....

      Until no more freedom to talk about...

      The only reason BIGOT, ISRAELI MOSSAD, WHITE TRASH HILLBILLY, FOLLOWERS OF PAT ROBERTSON are all over this subject because their IGNORANCE, RACISM, AND BIGOTRY...

      AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEE......

      August 11, 2010 at 6:15 pm |
  8. paul

    Luke are you a convert to the Killers religion,Then it is ok. Otherwise read Koran or go to some places in the world where MUslims are in sizable population. Now feel the difference. What a fool you people to allow a project at Ground Zero. And can you check why they have selected tits name as Cordoba. If you dont know read the Spanish history. Hey man the project is actually the victory memmorial of Alquida over US. The Muslims want to give "dua" (Muslim prayer ) to Muhammed atta from Ground Zero itself ,You got the idea.

    August 11, 2010 at 7:55 am |
  9. Ahu Dam

    Sorry, but still totally unconvinced that the planners are moderate muslims. The state department and the FBI have a different standard to utilize reliable Muslims in combat/hostile settings, and on Foreign soil or as a bridge to a certain population. But that standard, does not mean an individual or group are universally trustworthy in their religious interpretation and practice. That is, in the eyes of critics.

    There are many sufisms, and sufi as understood by some in the media, is not a syncretist's consensus. As a matter of fact, many extreme radicals plagiarize sufi poetics to prettify the potency of their incitement.

    Agreed, it is biased to presuppose by default that a Muslim prayer leader (adopting the high title of Emam) is immoderate, however, the absence of records, the symbolism of the location, the incessant refusal to discuss the property manager's claims to the building (an eye injury is not exactly an eschatalogical pass) , are grounds for objection.

    The onus to convince and persuade that they will adopt a tolerant position, and use a rhetoric of tolerance, and, not remain silent on issue of reform from within beyond terror, is on them.

    It is not for commenters to decide their fate, but being heard might reduce future harm. That is why such open fora as this one on CNN, could be a great resource for peace.

    August 11, 2010 at 12:15 am |
  10. Ahu Dam

    Totally unconvinced that the planners are moderate muslims.

    There are many sufisms, and sufi as understood by some in the media, is not a syncretist's consensus. As a matter of fact, many extreme radicals plagiarize sufi poetics to prettify the potency of their incitement.

    Agreed, it is biased to presuppose by default that a Muslim prayer leader (adopting the high title of Emam) is immoderate, however, the absence of records, the symbolism of the location, the incessant refusal to discuss the property manager's claims to the building (an eye injury is not exactly an eschatalogical pass) , are grounds for objection.

    August 11, 2010 at 12:01 am |
  11. Tara

    I'm sorry, but this nation is not a catholic nation, a jewish nation, or any other religious nation; its a nation of immigrants that was built on the belief that all men are created equal, free to live their lives without fear of religious persecution or any other form of degradation. We as Americans have forgotten this...personally, i take offense to the fact that a religious group is being punished for something and extremist TERRORIST group did...and to those who question why no Muslims publicly denounced the attacks: would you have HONESTLY believed them? And why is a church (Catholic or otherwise) so much better then a Mosque? So if a church was built instead it would be acceptable? If a Jewish temple was built it would be more acceptable? Are you ppl forgetting that more then likely there were AMERICAN MUSLIMS INSIDE THE TOWERS? Who are you to so blindly judge when you cant even see past your own narrow noses...

    August 10, 2010 at 11:08 pm |
    • Luke

      Why are you sorry? You're actually on target. Chew on this nugget:

      I work in a still standing tower of the World Trade Center. Have been here for a decade. A few weeks ago, there was a protest against the mosque outside. A few hundred people were there and eventually, a few walked over to the food cart guy and bought some Street Meat. He sells kababs, hot dogs, pretzels...you know...high quality NYC Street Meat. Anyway, I see him everyday twice a day. Great guy. Very nice man with two good looking kids. He's muslim. Appears that these people have no problem buying food off of muslims, but do enjoy denying their right to practice free religion.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:14 pm |
    • Tara

      Thanks Luke...it's just blind hatred and ignorance that i cant abide, especially in ppl who parade around and hide behind their faith and use it as a weapon....I dont give a hoot if you worship a rat that shoot flaming arrows of death from it's eyes, as long as you practice your faith with respect to others of different faith then i dont care....ppl forget that PEOPLE died in 9/11: black, white, Catholic, Muslim, Islamic, Hindu...they ALL died and yet no one cares to address that fact. Everyone would rather feed the ignorance and hate then do the REALLY hard thing and accept the fact that, like it or not, people ARE different. I was raised Catholic, i know ppl who lost family members in 9/11 but they aren't feeling disrespected by the Mosque being built...they have no qualms about it...it's only a "slap in the face" if America continues to boast it's "home of the free, land of the brave" while simultaneously butchering it's own amendments and laws that are the foundation of the country....

      August 10, 2010 at 11:21 pm |
    • amuslim

      @Luke

      I imagine they would have been surprised that a muslim man was selling them pork hot dogs... I mean with all the pig phobia muslims are supposed to have and stuff.

      August 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
    • american

      luke – then get back to work and stop writing nonsense on website forums, else you won't be able to afford your apartment to raise your athiest children. Hopefully some of those priests nearby will be able to save their souls.

      – George Washington

      August 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm |
  12. Joe

    We maintain the right to question the motives of the group behind the mosque building.
    There have been 15,000 Muslim terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11. Hmm, don’t know why people are nervous, doesn’t sound like bigotry it sounds like common sense
    Creeping Sharia….
    Classes commence at America’s first Islamic college on August 24.
    Zaytuna College, which has attracted applications from Muslims throughout the world and substantial financial support from Saudi Arabia, is located in Berkley, California.
    With the motto “Where Islam Meets America,” Zaytuna upholds the goal of cultivating Islamic scholars.
    What kind of Islamic scholars?
    The examples have been set by the three Islamic radicals, who serve as founders of the college.

    August 10, 2010 at 10:14 pm |
    • Luke

      Hi Joe, what are your thoughts:

      I live on West 98th Street and recently got married. My wife and I want to have kids pretty soon, but there are two Catholic Churches within 3 blocks. We fear for their safety as priests are globally known for abusing young kids. Should we protest them? Should we politely ask that they shut down? They should be more sensitive to the feelings of parents, don't you think? Please let me know what you think.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:17 pm |
    • Tara

      Luke: in the same respect to those lumping all Muslims together, one can not do the same to all priests. I'm not saying you are, my point IS, however, that "a few rotten apples spoil the bunch". Trust your instincts when it comes to picking a church and a priest (If you are Catholic) or just use caution. It doesnt matter anymore what a person is, anyone has the capability of being a monster, of CHOOSING to be evil....choosing what's right is harder then what most ppl can handle nowadays. I grew up on a military base and had a different priest every three years; b/c of this I can safely say I'm not the general, preconceived idea of a modern Catholic is. I'm not blind to what's going on around me, I don't force my religious CHOICE on others, I don't tell non-Catholics or ANY non-Christian that they are going to Hell....i'm sorry, but in my church, i wasn't taught to HATE. I was taught to love, to have compassion, understanding, dignity, respect.....apparently these values have fallen out of style....and i'm only 25!!

      August 10, 2010 at 11:41 pm |
    • OldManSmell

      @Tara
      uh...I forgot what I came in here for...
      Oh! Yeah. I'm looking for my religion-colored glasses. Can't see a thing on FoxNews without em.
      They pinch my nose – that's why I keep taking them off.
      Have you seen my little dog around anywhere? He knows where my slippers are. Finds 'em every time. Yessireee.
      What was your name again?

      August 11, 2010 at 1:26 am |
    • Whoops

      @Tara
      I like your support of the US Constitution. It's easy to forget that we have it when there are so many people "up in arms" about so many things.
      Keep whacking away at the ignorance in the world. It a thing that is worth doing well.

      August 11, 2010 at 1:33 am |
    • Luke

      Tara – I am a strident atheist. I will not be seeking a church. I find it silly.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:14 am |
    • Theo

      What teabagger website did you cut and paste that info from, Joe? Walk with me for a minute: one of your "Islamic radicals" is a guy named Mark Hanson from Walla Walla, Washington who converted to Islam and believes that the notion of "us v. them" in terms of Islam and the US is bad because he's both "us" and "them," so he digs cooperation instead. So . . . he's really dangerous, I guess, talking all that peaceful coexistence stuff. I assume that the other two are equally terrifying.

      Sometimes if you bother to do independent research instead of blindly believing the crazy someone else feeds you, you find out that there's not really a monster in the closet after all. For me, it's worth it to look into assertions like the ones you made; there are too many real things out there to be scared of for me to whip myself into a frenzy over stuff that isn't true.

      August 12, 2010 at 10:20 pm |
  13. Travis

    I just listened to this song. It made me PROUD. I am a canadian, however my mom was is tower two 1 week before the plane hit it. I was shocked to read that some radical terrorist group wanted to build thier version of a churc on that site. Yes I am lumping them all together. Because NOT ONE muslim denounced the terrorists in public after that act of WAR on Sept. 11th. If something like that happened in my country I would be ashamed to have stood by and let it happen. As for that song being racist, OPEN YOUR EARS NIGEL. Try listening to the words. specificly the part about " we welcome you here with tolerance"

    August 10, 2010 at 9:53 pm |
    • Luke

      "not one muslim denounced the terrorists in public"

      Oh, sir, I beg to differ. In fact, the leader of the group attempting to open the community center has publicly spoken about 9/11 dozens of times in the last 10 years. You should read before posting nonsense. Go check for yourself. The world is at your fingertips. I'm sure you will see if you open your eyes.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:11 pm |
    • Leeanne

      Thank you Travis. 🙂

      August 10, 2010 at 11:24 pm |
    • Nonimus

      You are incorrect.

      August 11, 2010 at 10:59 am |
    • cathy

      The 9/11 murderers were 100% Muslims; while the victims were 99%+not. A normal religion group would've humbly kept away from showing off in the focus of controversy. Like Islam in Europe, by the name of tolerance, they are procreating by time to live in the land and one day to practice their Sharia law in the land they live. In Muslim mind, the building lot is no more a land of American when they erect a mosque on it.
      Wake up America, 9/11 is the beginning of the war no American has ever experienced.

      August 11, 2010 at 2:48 pm |
    • Americano

      TRAVIS,

      NOTHING TO DO WITH FEELING....

      IT IS ALL ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT PERIOD....

      TODAY ABOUT THIS GROUP FEELING, TOMORROW ABOUT THE OTHER GROUP FEELING AND SO ON AND SO ON....

      Until no more freedom to talk about...

      The only reason BIGOT, ISRAELI MOSSAD, WHITE TRASH HILLBILLY, FOLLOWERS OF PAT ROBERTSON are all over this subject because their IGNORANCE, RACISM, AND BIGOTRY...

      AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEE......

      August 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm |
    • Ripon

      @Travis-what you mean by "we"? Did "Red Indians" welcome you ? United States of America is for every religion,race & ethnic group from every part of this world.

      October 24, 2010 at 3:22 am |
  14. Nigel

    WT*, im outraged, who the fr*gg wrote/sang this racist song?
    You people should be executed by a firing squad for being so racist...it is not that serious, its a relgioius site, not a terrorist camp site...educate yourself more you morons!

    PS-Im not Muslim...

    August 10, 2010 at 9:24 pm |
  15. edla

    Please no mosques in America, islam does not belong here, it's like mixing oil and water

    ESPECIALLY NOT NEAR GROUD-ZERO, PLEASE SOME RESPECT TO THE FAMILIES

    August 10, 2010 at 9:13 pm |
    • Nigel

      Where does Islam belong? Who the eff determines where religion belong...your statement is unconstitutional...I thought we weren't suppose to discriminate against any race or creed...this reminds me of slavery...moments like this make me ashamed to call my self american...no wonder the world hates us...

      August 10, 2010 at 9:28 pm |
    • Tara

      If Islam doesn't belong in America then you can, by all means, be the first person to go up to Islamic-Americans and tell them they cant practice their religion freely in the country they were born in...which would be America. Last time I checked, the First Amendment not only protects YOUR right to express your opinion, but ALSO the freedom to practice the religion you so choose to practice. By all means, feel free to re-write the Bill of Rights to suit your need to feel less threatened by something you 1) dont understand and 2) refuse to understand.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:48 pm |
    • Venice Venus

      First the religion has to be established here, on US soil. Further, its practices must be reasonable and legal.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:56 pm |
    • Tara

      @Venice Venus: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
      the establishment clause prohibits the establishment of a national religion, the exercise clause refers to government having limited to no control over how it is exercised. My point was that we cant bend the Bill of Rights to suit our needs, we cant pick and choice when to uphold them and when to trample all over them....

      August 11, 2010 at 12:03 am |
    • Dannii

      Muslims died in the 9/11 towers too. you seem to want to forget that Muslims work and are part of New York city.

      August 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
    • Ripon

      Just give us a good reason in support of your demand.And why you are using oil & water example here?

      October 24, 2010 at 3:15 am |
  16. Tolerance and Truth

    The building of a mosque is legal within the framework of both US constitutions and Islamic thought so there is no legal issue.. The PR issue of location is hardly helped by Ms Geller (Jewish, I think) whipping up anti muslim sentiment and then disingenuously suggesting that they could simply move somewhere else. In any event WTC 7 falling down without even being hit together with the owner being Israeli seems to suggest an alternative hypothesis.

    August 10, 2010 at 9:04 pm |
  17. not far enough

    Why is it ok in their eyes too build a mosque near the site were so many parished?
    How about building Catholic Church near Masjed-e Jome'eh or for that matter, in their own country.I bet you it would not sit well with them. Its the same thing.
    Its disrespectful and I am against it. It seems that we are slowly replacing the Catholic relgion and converting to the "Other"
    relgion.

    August 10, 2010 at 8:45 pm |
    • NEON whip

      oh? you have a problem getting your false religion replaced? that seems awful.

      August 10, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    • Luke

      Aww, that's so cute. You see, in America the 1st amendment grants citizens equal religious rights. That is, I can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you can worship Yahweh and Muslims can practice Islam. That is what makes American an amazing place to live. However, in a country like Saudi Arabia, they do not have an equivalent measure granting citizens freedom of religion. So to answer your question, one cannot build a church there because their government is is a monarchy based on a theocracy. If you don't see the difference, then there is no hope left in this country. What I find so amazing about this argument is that it is the Right that has always stuck the constitution in their back pockets, and it is me – the atheist – that has to stand up for religious freedoms in a free country. Truly mind boggling.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:06 pm |
    • Luke

      Dear moderators. It appears that my well thought out posts are constantly being moderated and deleted. I never use any derogatory words or personally attack anyone. My words may be tough, but they are poignant and relevant. My only thought is that people can't handle the truth and click the "Report Abuse" link in an attempt to censor me. Please look into it.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:08 pm |
    • Jim

      Hey not far enough: Try learning spelling and grammar, that would be a better use of your time than writing illiterate bigoted comments.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:22 pm |
    • Tara

      NEON whip: how exactly is Catholicism a false religion? Please enlighten us, Oh All Knowing One, so that we may learn....learn and put into action the most laudable of all phrases to live by: Think before you speak.

      August 10, 2010 at 11:31 pm |
    • All-Knowing-One

      @Tara
      I know better than to answer your question, but I knew you didn't know that – so I thought I would just kinda pass it along, 'cause I knew you needed to know that, so there you go!
      I know, I know...that's not what you wanted to hear...I know...

      August 10, 2010 at 11:47 pm |
    • Tara

      @All Knowing One: thanks for clearing that up...i feel so much better knowing that your lack of debate skills and your overpowering mental capacity have set me straight....er, made me less Catholic....no, no....ah, yes, you have just proven that your opinion, as intricate and mind-blowing as it is, is neither supported by any fact nor is it, oddly enough, moving or thought provoking in anyway....::shakes head:: I know my religious and historical facts therefore anything you have so far said or will say in the future is useless...i'm not one to beat a dead horse so kindly stop commenting me or anyone else on this site until you have learned the ability to make a point that is supported with some sort of VALID proof....thanks

      August 10, 2010 at 11:54 pm |
    • All-Knowing-One

      @Tara
      I know, I know...you think I'm that NEON guy. I'm not. I heard you call my name. Was it in vain? No it was not.

      But I knew that already, of course.
      lol
      If you jump to silly conclusions or say silly things, I know I have a right to appear and make fun of you.
      This is done for fun, to tease, and to make you feel silly. This is a blog, not a chatroom. I knew that and you apparently forgot.
      I know, I know...(jazz hands)

      August 11, 2010 at 1:05 am |
    • Americano

      NOT FAR ENOUGH,

      NOTHING TO DO WITH FEELING....

      IT IS ALL ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT PERIOD....

      TODAY ABOUT THIS GROUP FEELING, TOMORROW ABOUT THE OTHER GROUP FEELING AND SO ON AND SO ON....

      Until no more freedom to talk about...

      The only reason BIGOT, ISRAELI MOSSAD, WHITE TRASH HILLBILLY, FOLLOWERS OF PAT ROBERTSON are all over this subject because their IGNORANCE, RACISM, AND BIGOTRY...

      AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEE......

      August 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm |
    • Americano

      NOT FAR...

      Y'R SO FAR FROM REATLITY..... HAHAHAHA

      NOTHING TO DO WITH FEELING....

      IT IS ALL ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT PERIOD....

      TODAY ABOUT THIS GROUP FEELING, TOMORROW ABOUT THE OTHER GROUP FEELING AND SO ON AND SO ON....

      Until no more freedom to talk about...

      The only reason BIGOT, ISRAELI MOSSAD, WHITE TRASH HILLBILLY, FOLLOWERS OF PAT ROBERTSON are all over this subject because their IGNORANCE, RACISM, AND BIGOTRY...

      AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEEE......

      August 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm |
    • Theo

      "Not far enough," either I missed a Constitutional amendment, or you missed years upon years of Civics classes: Catholicism is not the official religion of the United States. Neither is Christianity in any broader sense. The United States doesn't, in fact, have an official religion, which kind of makes sense in light of the fact that we were founded by people who were trying to escape religious persecution. And which is also what makes so many of the comments on this board so terrifying and depressing.

      August 12, 2010 at 10:05 pm |
    • american

      There's no "o" in American, thanks.

      August 19, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
  18. Eric G

    I think we should have a bus ad made with a whiteboard and dry erase markers so we can all draw pictures of mohamed on it. Believers are cute. They make me chuckle.

    August 10, 2010 at 7:37 pm |
    • Pepe

      Great idea! I love it!

      August 11, 2010 at 4:11 am |
  19. chris mccune

    "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE " song by Chris McCune, chrismccune.com
    Please view this video as well pay attention to the lyrics. I hope this "story" we all know far too well will not be forgotten.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odLPx7mebzs

    August 10, 2010 at 7:15 pm |
  20. Reality

    What the ad should convey to believers of Islam et al:

    Your heart and soul reeks from the stench of the biggest con job ever pulled on humankind. Islamic tenets are nothing but the fairy tales of an hallucinating, contriving, warmongering, womanizing Arab named Mohammed. And that is the message said learning center/mosque should teach. That along with the messages about the other oozing, stench-filled con jobs pulled by the likes of Paul et al and the scribes of Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

    August 10, 2010 at 7:00 pm |
    • fwap

      Another billboard suggestion: "Reality needs to take a chill pill" might make people think about it instead of the original idea of the pictures which most people ignore these days.

      August 10, 2010 at 9:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Not a fan of religion myself, but I can certainly detect the stench oozing off this message.

      August 11, 2010 at 10:50 am |
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