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August 11th, 2010
03:12 PM ET

Controversial New York Islamic center will not relocate to public land

CNN's Alona Rivord filed this report:

Developers of a Muslim community center near the site of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks in New York Wednesday declined an offer by Gov. David Paterson to relocate the project.

Paterson had suggested Tuesday that state-owned property could provide an alternative building site for the controversial project.

"If the sponsors were looking for property anywhere at a distance that would be such that it would accommodate a better feeling among the people who are frustrated, I would look into trying to provide them with the state property they would need," Paterson told reporters.

Developers say the current location for the project - two blocks from ground zero - was selected intentionally to serve the Lower Manhattan community.

"We have a tremendous amount of respect for our governor, and we are always interested in hearing what our leaders have to say, and what their ideas and proposals are. But this has always been about serving Lower Manhattan," said developer Sharif El-Gamal of Soho Properties.

The proposed $100 million, 13-story facility, which is being built by the Cordoba Initiative, will include a mosque, performing arts center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces. The Cordoba Initiative describes itself as a Muslim outreach group.

The project has drawn fierce opposition from many families of victims of the 9/11 attacks, as well as from several members of Congress and some religious groups. Some have argued that building a mosque near ground zero is disrespectful to the victims of the attacks.

"I don't have any objection to it being built there," Paterson said Tuesday. "But I am very sensitive to the desire of those who are adamant against it to see something else worked out."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and other city leaders support the center.

"Those of us in public service are going to have to create a greater dialogue right now to try to make sure those feelings are heard to whatever extent we can," Paterson said.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • Islam • New York • Politics • United States

soundoff (859 Responses)
  1. mike

    The most disturbing thing to me is the closed mindedness of our nation as a whole. We are supposed to be a melting pot where we appreciate everyones cultures and live in harmony....That is the poster we put up but behind the poster our nation is filled with hate, racism, greed and overall closed mindedness. Between this and the gay rights "controversy" I am disquisted. All men are created equally...remember that.

    August 11, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    • Guest

      It is amusing that those who express support for a timeless institution that spans cultures, geography, and religion are branded as haters. If you desire a something more appropriate and sensitive to the victims and loss of 9/11 at Ground Zero, you are bigoted. The folks who really are close-minded are not who you think.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:09 pm |
    • Guest

      Doesn't "melting pot" indicate that you assimilate at least somewhat and respect the values of America – freedom of religion, freedom of speech, equal rights under the law, the rule of law, etc.? Wear you hajib, pray 5 times a day facing Mecca, whatever, I will respect that – just do not expect Americans to tolerate the radicals speaking freely in some (many?) of the mosques who are out to destroy America and the American way of life.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
  2. M.Sundaramurthy

    I think it is most appropriate that a mosque be "constructed" to make up for the "destructed" trade center. May be the good Muslims coming to pray will see the destruction caused by bad Muslims next door on a daily basis. It is wrong for the governor to offer free land elsewhere. You just must have the courage to face the issue and not sweep it under the rug.

    August 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
    • Chafic

      what you call the good muslims have seen the destruction and have spoken about it countless times. there is no one to listen. most people hear only what they want to hear, or are easily swayed by others' opinions.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:56 pm |
  3. gretchen

    I understand exactly what "madmo" said, and I definitely believe there will come a time that NYC and the US in general bitterly regrets its foolish decision to believe this "outreach center" is a good thing. It will become a recruiting center for all those who want to see America sink for good. A very good percentage of the modern description of a mosque? In all honesty, "a place to develop total disrespect for anything except Islamic lies and madness." America is blind, deaf, and dumb. Mark my words.

    August 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
    • cassie

      OK we'll mark your words. All that fear that the radical muslims will take over is fueled by thou, oh religious one. It's called a "self fulfilling prophecy." Still, in all, I agree that unless it can be a place of worship/meditation for all, it should not be built. It is too hurtful for too many people – not bigots, just people in grief. Peace to all. You moderate muslims continue to speak up about respecting other people's grief.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm |
  4. Budda

    This is what you want preaching at that site?

    "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

    August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Budda

      "If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)

      "Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

      "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

      August 11, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    • Ryan Smith

      Exactly right. However, it's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to point out what the Quran ACTUALLY teaches....

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Budda

      Please explain to me how you think this is a peaceful religion?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Budda

      It may not be POLITICALLY correct but it is still freedom of speech πŸ™‚

      August 11, 2010 at 5:07 pm |
    • Budda

      Why is it every time I quote what their own book states, they can never defend it?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm |
    • Momo

      Thats funny... I'm looking at my copy of the Quran and a few online sites and I have this for 9:27: "Again will Allah, after this, turn (in mercy) to whom He will: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The preceding verse is: But Allah did pour His calm on the Apostle and on the Believers, and sent down forces which ye saw not: He punished the Unbelievers; thus doth He reward those without Faith.

      So as you can see, nothing to do with war and infidels but more a general statement about faith. Stop manufacturing lies.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:24 pm |
    • Stuart

      If you cherry pick lines from the bible you could make christians look pretty horrible as well. These quotes prove very little.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:29 pm |
    • Lulu

      That's taking an ancient book way out of context. At the time when the Quran was actually written, there was a danger in befriending Jews and Christians who were trying to destroy Islam AT THAT TIME. It does not mean to kill everyone who is not Muslim, and any moderate Muslim who doesn't abuse Islam to gain political power knows that. Islam forbids killing of anyone innocent, and any "Muslim" who kills innocent people, Muslim or NOT, is not following Islam the way it is intended. That is not Islam.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    • Budda

      Koran 9:29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.
      Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.

      Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

      Koran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm |
    • Budda

      Tell you what, lets quote for quote on violent actions that each others god commands and see who's is more violent, shall we?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:42 pm |
    • Momo

      Heres a site for you to look at about atrocities in the bible. INteresting stuff.. does it mean I condemn all christians because of it. No.. because I'm not ignorant like you.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:50 pm |
    • Budda

      YOU DONT CONDEM? WHAT DO YOU CALL 9-11

      August 11, 2010 at 5:53 pm |
    • Chafic

      Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

      So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords."

      And He said to them, "It is enough." " (Luke 22:35-38, NKJV)

      did Jesus here tell people to sell their clothes and buy swords? – that is pretty violent don't you think? – I don't. my point is you can take anything out of context and it can be misunderstood.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:54 pm |
    • Antares

      Budda, the problem with lying about other people's scripture on the internet is that the people reading your lies have the internet at their fingertips to check your sources. If you'd like I would be happy to cherry-pick a few verses from the King James Bible which would "prove" that all Christians are murderous terrorists as well. But instead I'll just post the actual excepts from the Quran which you "cited".

      9:27 Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

      9:37 Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fairseeming unto them. Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.

      9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

      9:121 Nor spend they any spending, small or great, nor do they cross a valley, but it is recorded for them, that Allah may repay them the best of what they used to do.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
    • Budda

      "THE KORAN" TRANSLATED BY N.J. DAWOOD PUBLISHED 1990

      August 11, 2010 at 5:58 pm |
    • Budda

      iF YOUR GOD ALLAH IS ALL POWERFUL WHY DOES HE NEED YOU TO DO HIS KILLINGS AND WHY DOES HE NOT RESOLVE THESE ISSUES AMONG OTHER RELIGIONS? THIS IS NOT THE WAY OF A JUST GOD, AND FOR HIM TO SAY SLAY THE UNBELIEVERS PRETTY MUCH THROWS OUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF A FORGIVING GOD

      August 11, 2010 at 6:02 pm |
    • Antares

      Ah, no. I have the Dawood Penguin Classic right here. Whomever you're quoting has taken Dawood and the Quran entirely out of context.

      Thanks for playing.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:12 pm |
    • Antares

      You mean like this?

      13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

      Hosea 13:16 (King James Version)

      People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:19 pm |
    • Dave

      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

      "Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

      "Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

      The bible has that kind of thing too, you know.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:01 pm |
    • Art

      Most of you don't know what you're talking about. Yes the Koran has passages that seem to say that Islam is a peaceful religion. Unfortunately that doesn't hold up. First of all those lines are early in the Koran during the Medina period. At that time Mohamed and his gang were weak and of course wanted to appear peaceful. But after a while when he got stronger during his Mecca period, the second half of t Koran was written. That is the violent intolerant part that counts. Why does that count and not the early part? Well Mohamed himself said that the (early part of the)Koran can be corrected. In any written work the later part always takes precedence over earlier works.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:17 pm |
    • free2comment

      @Budda
      I Am completely overwhelmed by your total grasp of Quranic Arabic–or abysmal lack thereof.
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      August 11, 2010 at 9:29 pm |
    • Kay

      Historically, Mohammedanism (Islam) is actually a perversion of Christian doctrine. If you look in the writings of Mohammed, you will see all the connections he took from the Jewish faithful and Christian religion to make up his own religion. True, Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christians but that is not how they see it. Islam is also more connected to political thought. Separation of church and state are not something Islam wants. This is very dangerous.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:51 pm |
    • Intruiging

      I just love it when people spin things to suit their own motives. The verses you all have quoted are COMPLETELY out of context. They are not speaking to Muslims today. They were revealed to the prophet Muhammad in response to events in HIS time, mainly the attacks on Muslims from neighboring tribes by the Quaraish. Educated yourselves. Even the Bible can be picked through for to make it look evil. Understand FIRST what your write and only then can you make a claim.

      August 22, 2010 at 12:01 pm |
    • Intruiging

      My goodness Kay you really have a hateful goal. Islam is the 3rd Abrahamic religion; a continuation of Judaisim and Christianity if you will. If you want to make a perversion claim, you can say that Christianity is a perversion of Judaism if you want to be fair (I am not saying it is however). Islam order Muslims to not only respect the two faiths but to believe in the original words of God revealed to these religions. You know absolutely nothing of Islam but what you learned from Fox news.

      August 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm |
  5. Nick

    Lets face it. There are over 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. There are over 7 MILLION in the U.S. There are over 1500 Mosques in the US right now. Why is there even a debate about this project? They are everywhere. They always have been. People are just ignorant of what the truth really is. Muslims are not terrorists. Sure some of them are but no more than any other religion. The media just dramatizes it. Perhaps if the US would stop meddling in everyone's affair we would see terrorism decline. WHAT A THOUGHT.

    August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      Mr Nick, I applaud your point of view. Thank you.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Linda

      I, for one, am very grateful that America does not mind its own business in times of injustice, or I may not have been here today. My great-granmother survived the Holocaust.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:43 pm |
    • Juan Del Pueblo

      Maybe a bunch of us latinos are illegals. But we are all hard working christians... hopefully America will soon realize that MUSLIM IS THE NEW BROWN πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

      August 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm |
    • white

      People just don't like to see Islam succeed in anything.They don't understand how beautiful of a religion it is.You have to be around them to acheive the secureness many of us lack.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:37 pm |
    • Guest864

      "Muslims are not terrorists. Sure some of them are but no more than any other religion."

      Seriously?

      August 11, 2010 at 11:16 pm |
    • Temperence

      No more than any other religion? When's the last time a bunch of Christians went abroad and flew some airplanes into important structures? No, these are not a peaceful people, and they are being incredibly insensitive to us. They are building on AMERICAN soil, and no one seems to care. I knew that they were going to be allowed to do it, because America is pretty much just rolling over for anyone and everyone who sniffles a little and calls us racists. Well, except the gays. I mean, we have to take it out on SOMEONE, right?

      Unreal

      August 12, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
    • A Soldier Deployed

      In the 1990's thousands of Muslims were slaughtered by Christian militias in the former Yugoslavia. Kosovo, Serbia, etc.

      In the 1980's Christian militias backed by Israel killed Muslims in Lebanon.

      There are terrorists in all religions. Islam being a billion strong appears to have more.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
  6. burd

    If I was the Muslims doing this I hope they reconsider, because when it goes down they will be sorry

    August 11, 2010 at 4:59 pm |
    • Nick

      Goes down? Are you a terrorist Christian?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:07 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      Yep, sounds like a terrorist to me...

      August 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm |
    • white

      I see another threat.What COWARDS you are.I have to report you just like Im reporting guest.This project is going up GOD WILLING and your threats aren't bringing it down.God is higher than you and if something goes down it'll be you buddy.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:32 pm |
      • Davidson

        I pooped my pants and on you

        August 12, 2010 at 2:03 pm |
    • free2comment

      Ok burd as a Muslim i am sorry, that maybe you don't know any better.
      Crash course for you UFO Human Link apageinthelife –start anywhere.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:57 pm |
  7. PeterV

    I say build a gay bar right next door to it. After all, this is about promoting "integration and tolerance", right?

    August 11, 2010 at 4:59 pm |
    • Gidgit

      It's Manhattan, there are already gay bars on every corner.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
    • Ryan Smith

      My thoughts exactly!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:01 pm |
    • Hemdog the Doggy Hunter

      And just try to build a Christian Church or Jewish synagogue right next door..can you imagine the uproar about how disrespectful we are being to Islam?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    • sllabymkcussmilsum

      And a hotdog factory.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    • Lulu

      Hemdog, why would there be an uproar? Just because Muslims view Christianity and Judaism as flawed, doesn't mean they aren't supposed to respect Christians and Jews and any other religion. The radical and misguided Muslims who preach hate against them are definitely in the minority. The media loves to focus on that, which is why it's all you hear about.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:25 pm |
    • white

      Let them build the bar.....I bet you'll be the first customer there.eeewww.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm |
    • free2comment

      @PeterV
      Ok PeterV if Gay is your issue check in at 'When you're six feet under' at apageinthelife blogspot and if you are smart enough to get around the fake 'page not found message' come right back here and tell us all how had you and others been taught that perspective about being Gay and understood what was really going on all along it would have prevented a lot of misery when it comes to the essentially non-issue of being Gay.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm |
  8. Rachell

    Good for them for not caving in to bigortry. Why should they have to move? 9/11 was caused by terrorism, not by Islam. Just like pedophilia is caused by pedophiles, not the Catholic church and the wars that we wage perpetually across the world are done in the name of our country, not in the name of Christianity. You would think that the americans who are against radical Islam would WANT liberal/moderate Muslims worshipping in their backyard. These are their best friends since they absolutely reject Osama and his ilk.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Hemdog the Doggy Hunter

      That's the poitn..how do we know that there will be moderate Muslims? How do we keep it from becoming radical? You don't...

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Nick

      You will know its radical because like most Mosques in big cities everyone is welcome. Go and see for yourself. You will be amazed. I was.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:06 pm |
    • joe

      actuall your wrong many of these peace loving muslims in new york do have ties to terrorism. The leaders of these mosques all have connections with terrorists throughtout the middle eastern world. The president of many countries are first cousins with sucide bombers (gadafi-lybia) even though we broker deals with them to get the bombers back lockerbie. Our system is so fucked up our politicans are actually feeding the same terrorism there fighting. Spend thousands of hours on wikipedia and wikileaks educate yourseld people. Things need to change and mmmm LEGALIZE prohibiton of marijuana needs to end 2010 our kids will thank us.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:16 pm |
    • Strength

      hemdog...the same way you keep every other religions radicals away...you cant, they happen regardless.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    • Yvette

      @RAS HELL, The mosque builders have links to Hamas. You know, we are at war with terrorists have you forgotten? This is like a pedophile buying a home next to somone he molested. Why don't you listen to what REAL moderate Islams say about this plot to build up a trophy mosque at ground zero. LINKS TO TERRORISM! If it were true moderates trying to build a mosque, I don't think it would be this big a deal, but then again, the real moderates practice peace and would never go out of their way to offend the victims, the families and any American that knows a sham when they see one.

      August 12, 2010 at 1:40 am |
    • Intruiging

      Where the hell is the fact check here? There is no link to Hamas!! The initiator of the project is currently a representative of the US government on a mission in the Middle East. Good god, this is why the rest of the world thinks Americans are idiots.

      August 22, 2010 at 11:57 am |
  9. Goodidea

    While I disagree with the decision to allow the Mosque to be built, I think the greater message sent is one of inclusion and toleration that shows NYC to be the cultural melting pot it has become. The vast majority of Muslims are concerned only with living in peaceful coexistence with their neighbors and are by far far from the loonies we see on TV, the Taliban and Al-Quaeda. I can think of no other country than the US, and possibly no other city than New York that, despite huge public opposition, would allow such a symbolic building to be built so near the site of one of this nation's greatest tragedies.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Ryan Smith

      If they are so tolerant, then I think we should build an islamic friendly gay bar next door to the mosque. After all, anyone has the right to do so..... Let's see how far tolerance REALLY goes with the muslims who don't care how anyone else feels about this.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Braveheart32

      Keep deceiving the Americans ,and just hold the American values for doing your dirty Islam a lift. Muslim is looking is, to exploit the law and destroy America....

      August 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • Chafic

      Ryan Smith: i lived in KC for a while and there is an area of town where a mosque and a bar share the same building. right down to the wall. no one bothers the bar.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:48 pm |
    • Strength

      braveheart...americans are already destroying their own laws and such...so why not let someone else join in?

      as far as mosque being built? there is already a mosque there, they are adding stories onto it for the general PUBLIC.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    • Art

      there was a response to the proposal of having a gay bar on the same block as the mosque.... here it is... the developer said that it would be very insensitive to have a gay bar near the mosque. Can you believe it? THEY are talking about being sensitive.
      They are not talking about tolerance of the gays but the gays should be sensitive to Muslims. There you have it my friends.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:09 pm |
    • Kay

      I do not think "Melting pot" is part of Islam. If you look at other Muslim families and communities, they try to isolate themselves by their teaching and attire. Children are purposely sent to Islamic schools, not public school and they are taught to think like a Muslim, not like someone part of the whole community. The goal of a mosque is to convert people to Isalm. Even if the mosque builders are moderate, the terrorists had the same intention: to force Islam on America. So buidling a mosque there is disrespectful to the victims of 9-11.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:36 pm |
    • Intruiging

      @Kay, you're an uneducated moron. The purpose of a mosque is NOT to convert people to Islam. It is to pray. Period. Additionally, the terrorists of 9/11 didn't attack to force Islam on America. According to Osama bin Laden, they attacked in retaliation for US policy and actions in Islamic countries. Stop forcing your hateful agenda. It doesn't work and you sound ignorant. Educate yourself.

      August 22, 2010 at 11:53 am |
  10. Ryan Smith

    And building this mosque helps the muslims.....HOW?

    They have the RIGHT to build it, however, it's CERTIAINLY NOT PRUDENT. For a religion that is "tolerant and understanding", their actions show NO tolerance and understanding....ESPECIALLY given the brutal nature of what happened close by, and the pain still VERY FRESH in people's minds from 9/11.

    Pathetic.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • barbara

      Well stated. The building of this mosque will just further alienate people.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
    • free2comment

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      August 11, 2010 at 8:33 pm |
    • Kay

      I agree. This mosque will be a school and center which will turn into a little Islamic world. People who are famliar with Muslim families, know they isolate themselves. They send their children to Islamic schools to learn an entirely different view of the world from an Islamic perspective. This is not about helping the American community, this is about helping themselves, to form a bigger Muslim community. Absolutely no respect for the 9-11 families.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:33 pm |
    • LisaLV

      Muslims aren't scary, unknowns. They are people. Think about what you are saying, then ask yourself if you think it makes sense. No, it doesn't. It's silly talk. Stop hatin'.

      August 23, 2010 at 1:47 am |
  11. Jeff

    Let it go. I'm sure the graffiti artists will pretty up the place for them. Lets let them find out what angry Americans are all about.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
    • Gidgit

      I thought Americans supported freedom of religion, not vandalism.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • Nick

      Freedom of religion exists in America as long as its the religion that they want.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • white

      As always Americans looking for more trouble.When are we going to learn to live side by side.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:10 pm |
    • free2comment

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      August 11, 2010 at 8:22 pm |
  12. Gidgit

    Way to go!!! States should not be offering public property to build churches on anyway, for any religious group. I can't wait to see the project when it is completed. I really hope this group doesn't back down and builds this community center to reach out to the people who were personally affected by 9/11 and to the nation as a whole. 10% of the people killed in the World Trade Centers were Muslim anyway, so stop acting like every member of the worlds second largest religion is out to get you. Muslim Americans suffer every day because of hatred and prejudice that others have for them based on something that they had nothing to do with. I am an Atheist, but even I support them 100%.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      Thank you so much!! I wish more people would think like you. Peace be with you.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • barbara

      Sorry to contradict you, but less than 1% of the people killed were Muslims. They have checked names against master lists of the those killed and many of those that Muslims say were killed, simply do not exist. And the ones who did die were considered expendable because they were working for the infidels and deserved to die. It is customary for Muslims to build a mosque on the site of their latest conquest as a symbol of victory.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm |
    • Beverly

      People think it is wrong to offer public land for this facility, because of separation of church and state. Funny, I don't hear a lot about that separation when it comes to the State Department using our tax dollars to send the Imam to the Middle East to explain our country and customers to Muslims, and probably do a little fund raising on the side. Let me see, we should then do the same for Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Christians, right?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:13 pm |
    • Frank

      You have no idea what your doing. You better educate yourself on Islam buddy. Your dealing with the most EVIL existence on the face of the earth.... If you have not read any books on Islam and don't understand why they went through all they did to fly the planes into the buildings then you don't have any place making an opinion. You suppose to know what your talking about before you speak!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:24 pm |
    • stan t

      beverly, we DO do the same for other groups. only about 50 of the 1200 state dept sponsored good will trips last year were to reach out to the muslim community.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:47 pm |
    • James

      Frank-

      It is obvious that you yourself have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not sure what kind of books that you have read on the subject, but my guess is that they were all written by fools and fear-mongers. Islam itself is not evil, those that use it as an excuse for terrorism are evil. I have met many Muslims who are anything but evil and have studied Islam as well. Islam has a rich cultural history that is being marred by radicals. Be sure to do your research next time before you post on any message boards (and no, conservative blogs and wikipedia don't count. If you were to use those in an academic paper you would be lambasted as an idiot.)

      August 11, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
    • AreWeWrong

      Why are people getting so upset about this? By your thought process, shouldn't the Native Americans be the ones complaining? I mean, European settlers came over to their land, destroyed all they had built, and proceeded to build their buildings and spread their way of thinking. Where do you draw the line people???

      August 11, 2010 at 10:41 pm |
    • Guest

      Frank

      Try reading the dictionary and seeing the difference between Islam and terrorism. That is if you're educated enough too.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:10 pm |
    • Kay

      It appears only Muslims and those with no religion support this project. Muslims are being disrespectful to 9-11 families but they don't care. Those with no faith have literally no say on the matter since they don't care about religion anyway. Also, I imagine the only reason a mosque is built, is to push Islam on the rest of the community and gain converts. Even though the terrorists were extreme, that is what they wanted.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:30 pm |
    • Mario

      @ Barbara
      What have you been smoking? What is the source of your knowledge? Uneducated foolish intolerant mind like yours, are the reason for all this hatred in this world
      I bet you are not complaining about 'Burn a Quran Day,' So eat it. Don't feel all emotionally hurt, it's all about 'freedom' isnt it?

      August 12, 2010 at 3:26 am |
    • Mario

      @Kay
      Why don't you get a a lil more emotional about all the families of innocent people who have got killed in Iraq by blackwater. Why don't ask you write a letter and ask government to bring the troops back. I bet their families hurt as much when they see blackwater(operating under different name but same people) roaming around their cities in humvees.

      August 12, 2010 at 3:34 am |
    • Claire

      I live in a city with a lot of Muslims, and I eat at a local restaurant owned by a Muslim family a lot. They have a number on the wall to call to get a free Quran, they have Muslim tracts (just like Christian ones, talking about how to live ethical lives), and they welcome me in shorts, sleeveless shirts, and my hair uncovered. Most of the Muslim women there don't wear the traditional garb, although a few do. Some do wear long-sleeves or headscarves, but again, it's just preference. And I'm an atheist female. It is crystal clear that these are moderate Muslims, with hopes and dreams like all people: to have meaningful work, raise families, be good neighbors, and spend time enjoying their favorite recreation and hobbies. Just like us atheists and you Christians.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:34 am |
    • ninarad

      Gidgit....you are so stupied. One day you will eat your own words.

      August 12, 2010 at 3:07 pm |
    • Stemwede-Dielingen

      Let's see, a masjid built near Ground Zero, which plans to open on the tenth anniversary of the attacks and is named "the Cordoba Project" after the islamic capital of Spain at the time when Spain was a Christian nation that had been subjugated by Muslim invaders....hmmm...and you think this adds up to nothing? Hardly. It is a slap in the face and you need to wake up to that.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:37 pm |
  13. Guest

    Why must we respect Islam when the most vocal proponents of that religion killed thousands in its name nearby? Where is the moderate Muslim voice? Will this center teach respect for human life (that is, be anti-jihad) and respect for OTHER religions the way Muslims demand to be respected? Their 13 story building so close to Ground Zero will be viewed by Muslim extremists worldwide as a sign of victory. I would hope that the Cordoba Center goes out its way to ensure that it does not want to be viewed as such. If it does not care to do so, then it is supporting terrorism, period.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
    • Gidgit

      The moderate Muslim voices are the ones that want to do this as a community outreach project to build bridges and promote unity.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • ProudMarineMOM

      AMEN ! ! ! !

      August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Nick

      The moderate Muslims voice is banned by the media. They dont want to hear it. When are moderate Christians and Jews ever going to realize this fact. They want to keep us scared. This building and others like it is the only hope for America to learn the truth about Islam.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:03 pm |
    • Guest

      Gidgit – If they get up at their ground breaking ceremony and say "Islam is a religion of peace and those who would promote violence in its name are not welcome here and will not be tolerated here," I would send them a donation! If they are who they say they are, they will emblazon that upon their building.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:09 pm |
    • Joe

      Ridiculous comment.
      By this measure all Christian groups should be banned because the Catholic church was behind the crusades. If you have freedom of religion it is for all religions not just yours because you are in the majority. What do you propose next tearing down Jewish temples, opposing Hindu temples because you are too closed minded to embrace diversity.
      Wake up, we don't live in the middle ages any more.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • Frank

      I read the book by Brigitte Gabrielle "Because They Hate" she describes the Muslims for who they are. As stated in her book during the 7 years she lived in a bomb shelter from the MUSLIMS in the late 70's when they attacked her city. She described the MUSLIMS going into bomb shelters looking for Christians, the story she tells is of them finding a mother and father with a baby, they tied one leg of the baby to the father, the other leg to the mother, while laughing, they pulled the parents apart and pulled the baby in half. Another story she tells is the taped a knife to a mothers hand and tied her daughter in a chair and forced her hand to slit her own daughters throat, then raped her two other daughters in front of her, pee'd and defecated on them, burned churches. I could go on and on. She has several books out trying to educate American and Europe. Idiots like this who dong understand these people are the ones who will get us all killed and cost us our country. Below is a verse from their bible...

      Qur’an 8:12 ”Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: β€˜I will terrorize the unbelievers.’ Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
      I

      August 11, 2010 at 5:17 pm |
    • LB Colorado

      Giget, there are NO MODERATE MUSLIMS. They should reap what they sow and the LIVING GOD will see to that, No one can run from the LIVING GOD.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
    • trumod

      Did not the founder of our religion advise us that, when struck, to offer the other cheek? Oh, wait, He also said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."

      August 11, 2010 at 5:22 pm |
    • Guest

      Joe – I am saying no such thing. And 9/11 wasn't more than 600 years ago, so your comparison to the Crusades is nonsense. 10 aid workers were murdered in Afghanistan because they were Christians. The Arabs are ticked off because there are "infidels" (non-Muslims) in the "holy land." Don't tell me that Muslims are the only ones discriminated against – Christians have been virtually eliminated from Iraq, the West Bank and other places. Who complains about that? If moderate Muslims want people to believe that they want to live alongside us peacefully, then they should speak out and distinguish themselves from their terrorist fellow Muslims. But I have seen very little of that, though there has been some.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:30 pm |
    • gwing

      Timothy McVeigh was a Christian. Should we ban all Christian churches in Oklahoma City?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    • Chafic

      Gidgit – Muslim leadership in this country on local and national levels have always and continue to denounce terrorism but this goes un-noticed in the media. they will say that. jsut wait and see.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Chafic

      oops. my last reply was meant for Guest. πŸ™‚

      August 11, 2010 at 5:45 pm |
    • cassie

      Did you not read the ahmed akbar suggestions that a three faith edifice be built? I still keep to the idea of a meditation center where all religions and non religious but spiritual people may worship. Let the very rich Muslims put up the money and give it to all of us as an act of atonement. Would we accept that? Peace be with you all. I predict it will not be built.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:50 pm |
    • Beverly

      There are no moderate Muslim voices, only Islamic terrorists in disguise.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
    • Suad

      You don't have to respect Islam, Muslims or prophet Muhammad. You can draw all the images of prophet muhammad saws and burn all the qurans you want while invoking the freedom of speech and religion laws in this country and no care about hurting muslim feelings, but when a Muslim wants to build a mosque on grounds that they OWN and on grounds where there is a mosque ALREADY dont cry about your feelings being hurt or that muslims have to sensitive to you, if you dont like the taste of your own medicine.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:17 pm |
    • Suad

      You don't have to respect Islam, Muslims or prophet Muhammad. You can draw all the images of prophet muhammad saws and burn all the qurans you want while invoking the freedom of speech and religion laws in this country and no care about hurting muslim feelings, but when a Muslim wants to build a mosque on grounds that they OWN and on grounds where there is a mosque ALREADY dont cry about your feelings being hurt or that muslims have to sensitive to you, if you dont like the taste of your own medicine. Hypocrites!

      August 11, 2010 at 6:22 pm |
    • Mike

      To paraphrase someone "famous," let the religion without sin throw the first stone! All major religions have blood on their hands at some point in their history...especially Christianity. And if you really want to throw mud, then we should ban any Catholic church from building near any elementary schools...especially all-boys schools. It's time to stop the holier-than-thou attitudes, especially ones combined with blatant racism disguised as patriotism.
      Live, and let live. Most Muslims are not violent, most priests are not pedophiles, and most people will respect each other...sometimes grudgingly.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:03 pm |
    • Strength

      the moderate muslim voices are with the moderate jews, germans, christians, catholics...all the others that don't support their extremist counterparts.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:41 pm |
    • free2comment

      @LBLorado
      WOW you met Every Single One of them? how cool is that!
      and you lived to tell the tale!
      pretty slip-shod extremists if you ask me to let 1 of you get away when over 1Billion of them laid into you, tsk.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:26 pm |
    • lorgat

      Look at your own Christian or European history and see how many people you have murdered ,before you start accusing other
      people.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:33 pm |
    • BibleRulez

      Here are some quotes of Jesus from the Bible for you so called peace loving christians, where your Prince of Peace boasts to bring fire and division on the earth; "I CAME (no parable or prophesy here) to set the earth on fire, and how I wish that it were ALREADY KINDLED". Luke 12:49 and also, "Do you suppose that I CAME to bring PEACE to the world? No, not peace BUT DIVISION.." Luke 12:51

      August 12, 2010 at 12:29 am |
    • Notsosilentobserver

      so we should just do away with Islam because they have killed in the name of their religion? Ok, I will agree with you, only if you do away with Christianity. There have been millions of people who have been killed in the name of Christianity look at the crusades. Your argument is ridiculous and not at all educated.

      August 12, 2010 at 1:52 am |
    • Not Hollywood

      I am so proud to live in America and love our freedom of religion – but when does a religion become too dangerous to accept? And how do we repeal that freedom for some without running the risk ourselves of being burned at the stake once again? What right does any of us have to say that another's beliefs are invalid when they do no harm to others? And if we believe that the words of their holy books incite violence and so remove them, how do we guarantee that our own words, however harmless, will not also be censored and banned? America is the ideal but is failing – our own rights provide those that wish to do us harm the perfect environment to spread their hate under the protections of our own Constitution. What would our Founding Fathers think? They may have been flawed, but did lay down the foundation of our great country, and I can't imagine that they would let things continue the way they are heading. Unfortunately, I believe it's time to close our borders – bring the troops home – and let the Middle East destroy itself. We have enough issues as it is.

      August 12, 2010 at 3:01 am |
    • Claire

      Until everyone pulls their head out of ancient books of doctrine, we're going to have religious conflict. The idea of the "true" Muslim/Islam is as elusive as the "true" Christian. All religions have extremists and moderates, and some focus on judging others and bloodthirst, while others focus on improving oneself and solving problems through conflict resolution processes. And all the while, there have always been and are people who are sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists, etc. and who will continue to act in destructive ways, no matter what the majority agrees to.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:19 am |
    • Stemwede-Dielingen

      gwing:

      Timothy McVeigh was an agnostic who said his only religion, if he had one, was science. It kills me how he is never used by you all to demonstrate how evil agnostics are. In fact, you play this game calling him a Christian, when you know he is not.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:12 pm |
    • Stemwede-Dielingen

      BibleRulez: The fire CHrist was referring to in Luke 12:49 is the purifying presence of the Holy Spiriti, which was to be ppoured out on the earth after his ascension into heaven. He was eager for his Spirit to be poured out on believers and to bring sinners to repentance. I has nothing to do with a non-peaceful Jesus who wanted a literal fire to destroy people.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:26 pm |
    • Stemwede-Dielingen

      PS...This was fulfilled in Acts 2, when the Holy Spirit descended on the disciples with "tongues of FIRE."

      August 12, 2010 at 4:29 pm |
    • LisaLV

      No it will not. A little paranoid, are we?

      August 23, 2010 at 1:40 am |
  14. Pink Hijab

    I am happy to hear this news. The project should go on as planned and all of the people out there who have a problem with it.... well, get a life.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm |
    • Deedz

      We had a normal life until YOU came to the west Pinkie.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      Deedz or whatever ur sn is.... i was born in the west , sorry to burst your bubble...

      August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Gidgit

      There's a good chance that she was born here, many Muslims are.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • Frank

      Typical Radical Communist. You all make me sick.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • Sara-D

      Pink Hijbab: funny how people assume you're from overseas. I'm a white American Muslim convert born to a family that practices the Catholic faith (and they fully support my decision to practice a different religion). I love America, respect & appreciate America more than most Americans!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
      • Ron2158530

        Visit http://WWW.FAITHFREEDOM.ORG about islam before defending it. Muslims face mecca when they pray. If there is my

        August 12, 2010 at 5:42 am |
        • peace2all

          @Ron2158530

          Defending Peace.... and harmony..... Not hatred and bigotry which so many seem to be posting here.

          Just because someone may pray in a certain direction means 'nothing' about them and their character.

          Some christians literally participate in 'eating the body and drinking the blood' of jesus every sunday. Yes, the literally 'believe' it *is* Jesus..... And I could go on as far as the absurdities in ALL religions.

          I am saying don't overgeneralize a group of people.... and stop the hating....

          Peace and Respect to You.....

          August 12, 2010 at 2:33 pm |
    • Diddly Squat

      Death to all muslims Simple as that..

      August 11, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    • Pigeon

      PH- "get a life?" How about you get some sensitivity? Your comment is right up there with Ann Coulter calling the 9/11 widows "witches."

      August 11, 2010 at 5:26 pm |
    • Pink Hijab

      @ Sara D... Assalam Alaikum and Ramadan Mubarak to you.... I just finished my iftaar preparations and came to see what these lovely people have to say.... Salam sister.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:31 pm |
    • white

      I love your screen name PH.This project should go on.For those claiming there aren't any churches allowed to build in Mecca,well guesswhat???.......That's an Islamic country and they have every right to follow their rules.America is a multi religion country.Can't compare.

      August 11, 2010 at 6:13 pm |
    • RufusVonDufus

      SaraD, additionally, you are an idiot! Go worship in the muddled east!~

      August 11, 2010 at 8:29 pm |
    • YouDopes

      For those claiming there aren't any churches allowed to build in Mecca,well guesswhat???.......That's an Islamic country and they have every right to follow their rules.America is a multi religion country.Can't compare.
      -----------------------------------------------–
      Typical argument of Islamo fascists attempting to spread their intolerant Islamic religion under the garb of religious freedom. By the way rules are made by the people, and the vast majority of people of America are against this mosque being located near WTC site.

      August 11, 2010 at 9:24 pm |
    • sparknut

      "get a life"... tell that to the 3,000 people who were brutally killed by Muslim extremists on Sept. 11, 2001!

      August 11, 2010 at 11:34 pm |
  15. Nondual

    And the Flying Spaghetti Monster spoke to the crowd: "Woe be unto Him that destroys the place of my Worship. For He shall be hurled into the living Fire of my Wrath!"

    -The Book of FSM 24:23

    August 11, 2010 at 4:51 pm |
    • Budda

      evil meatball worshiper

      August 11, 2010 at 4:57 pm |
    • Budda

      may the bites of a thousand piratefish eat your spagetti

      August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • LB Colorado

      I say BRING IT ON. Your God is a dead one, he cannot help you. EVIL.....

      August 11, 2010 at 5:16 pm |
    • Budda

      They do have a beer volcanoe

      August 11, 2010 at 5:24 pm |
    • Woody

      Pastafarians have beer volcanoes? I'm SO in!

      August 11, 2010 at 6:03 pm |
    • bababooey

      "Since you have done a half-ass job, you will receive half an ass!" The Great Pirate Solomon grabbed his ceremonial scimitar and struck his remaining donkey, cleaving it in two.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
    • CoqCheney

      Aha!!!!!!!! But can your so-called Monster of Flying Spaghetti freeze a hamster?

      August 11, 2010 at 8:55 pm |
    • Claire

      Given separation of church and state and free speech, I don't oppose the mosque. However, I do think it is disrespectful. That being said, I hope we see the growth of more Unitarians, Pastafarians like ourselves (RAMEN!), Brights, Ethical Culture proponents, and other groups that represent the growing number of free thinkers who view the mysteries of the world as natural rather than supernatural. Rather than fight this mosque, people should use this as a galvanizing force to build a variety of centers in NYC.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:08 am |
  16. misanthropicus

    Draw blood from the vanquished. Then draw more blood from the vainquished. Then draw moreblood from the vainquished – it's your right, and you deserve it, and the vainquished deserve this, too.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:50 pm |
    • Deedz

      Wow, have you ever been to school? who taught you to write this way. who knows what you even mean.

      August 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm |
    • Momo

      @misanthropicus: you are very strange.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    • wzrd1

      misanthropicus, if your mommy and daddy got a divorce, would she still be your sister?
      Don't like it? Stop acting like it!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm |
    • Eytan

      How is this drawing blood from the vanquished in any way? The victims of the tragedy on 9/11 have had their blood spilled in a different, unrelated incident. The equation of Islam and terrorism is as valid as the equation of Christianity and terrorism because of the KKK, the crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc. etc. etc.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:21 pm |
    • free2comment

      hmmm, an artist bent on a new drawing medium; etch a sketch, crayola and paint don't do it for you?

      August 11, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
  17. Popeye

    Even if it is approved, who is going to build it? Arabs?

    August 11, 2010 at 4:47 pm |
    • JS

      Of course not Arabs, "Popeye" - Mexicans.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
    • wzrd1

      A mosque has to be built by Muslim men. Just as Christian churches have to be built by Christian men. Some little theological thing for both.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
    • TD

      Christian churches do not have to be built by Christians, that is nonsense.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm |
    • FactChecker

      Muslims don't have to build a Mosque, there are mosques bieng built all the time by non-muslims.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm |
    • Dhulfiqar

      What? First off this isn' t mosque. And it can be built by anyone. JOB creation.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm |
    • NINJA

      I must correct my reply from earlier. what i mean by it will be knocked down is they probably wont build it to code and they will have to abandon the project. ha ha ha

      August 11, 2010 at 5:38 pm |
    • free2comment

      got sumthin against AAraabs, Popey; look aroun you–or can't you see straight?

      August 11, 2010 at 8:15 pm |
    • PhilipShade

      FYI: Arab and Muslim are not synonymous terms.
      People who come from a certain swath of the middle east are Arabs, people who follow the teachings of Mohamed are Muslims. You can be a Muslim and not be Arab, you can be Arab and not be a Muslim.

      August 11, 2010 at 9:26 pm |
  18. Atom

    I say way to go, for not caving in. Do not complicate the separation of church and state by accepting a offer for public property. Plus, there is nothing wrong with the proposed location, which has been used as a gathering place for Muslims to pray for over a year. Continue the plans unchanged!

    August 11, 2010 at 4:39 pm |
    • LB Colorado

      Atom – let you be the first one to enter and the very last to leave. EVIL IS ALL OVER THIS. But you can have it, I personally don't believe that AMERICA will actually sit back and watch this happen. Good luck to all who enter.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:14 pm |
    • Russ

      Let's see.. I was taken to church until I was old enough to decide what I believe for myself. During that period heard disparaging remarks about, Catholics, Jews, Unitarians, Mormons, the Amish, Jehovah's Witnesses, Baptists, the Church of Christ, Methodists, Episcopal's, Scientology, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims just to name a few. Rather than enriching the world with good, Organized religion seems Hell Bent on fomenting hatred against any point of view but their own. Little wonder church rolls continue to decline. There is so little love, compassion, and understanding taking place within their walls. I left because I didn't experience genuine love, toward our fellow man, in any of them. I believe in a higher authority, just not what pulpits all over this country are pumping out under the guise of goodness.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
    • Eytan

      Why thank you. As a white Jew, I look forward to my first trip to see the center after it's built. Every day I see a lot of Muslims, yet none of this "evil" you speak of. hm...

      August 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
    • Sixoh

      You're an idiot. This will cause incredible tension and something WILL happen. This is not a outreach, it's a G.D. INSULT to decent Americans! They can reach out from a couple miles in any other direction, preferably the Hudson River.

      It's the muslims who loved the attacks p issing on the ashes after the house burned down!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:21 pm |
    • NYCer

      Well the oringal building is State property so it wouldn't make any differnce. I do think that is a horrible place for such a center and feel the NYC has every rigtht to fight this.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:31 pm |
    • Albert

      Religion is on a downward spiral. It does more evil than good. War, greed, corruption, hypocrisy, etc. It is only a matter of time before religion is completely destroyed. Mark My words.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    • Sixoh

      Part of this is a re-post but I felt it necessary to bring it to the top again:

      This is not a outreach, it's a G.D. INSULT to decent Americans! They can reach out from a couple miles in any other direction, preferably the Hudson River.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:16 pm |
    • ML

      I just can't see how the location of the building is an affront to people. I mean, know that the September 11th attacks were perpetrated by Muslim extremists, but what does that have to do with the people building this mosque? Is the group building it an open supporter of terrorist acts? If they aren't, I just can't see what people are upset about. Are you so closed-minded that you really think that every non-Christian person in the world is a threat?
      From where I'm sitting, the people who are threatening or encouraging people to knock down the building or commit acts are violence look an awful lot like terrorists to me. Think about that, people, and realize that your actions are no better, no wiser, and no more noble than those of the people you despise.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:39 pm |
    • Art

      ML.. The imam of that mosque refuses to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups. He has also said that the US was largely to blame for the 9/11attacks. And THAT"S what he says when he wants to get on our good side.

      August 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm |
    • Onlooker624

      They shouldn't build this thing anywhere near ground zero. Those towers were brought down, and all those people killed, in the name of the muslim faith. It's beyond disrespectful to build this centre there. Regardless of how pure their intentions are, it doesn't change the fact that it's completely inappropriate.

      August 11, 2010 at 10:53 pm |
    • Yorker

      It is surprising that the Mosque committee wants to build an Islamic center right across the street from the World Trade Center site where 3000 people died as a direct result of Islamic terrorism, even when the vast majority of New Yorkers and Americans disapprove of this. And all in the name of building bridges. With whom? Americans or Islamic terrorists across the world who hate the United States and would like to see it destroyed???

      Lower Manhattan encompasses several square miles and to serve this large area they could have located the mosque a mile or two away and still serve the area. Apparently that does not seem to be their goal and neither is building bridges!!!

      August 11, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
    • ldsmom02

      The real problem is not whether they can or cannot or should or should not build the mosque where it is. The problem is that this mosque is causing a great deal of hurt feelings among families of the 9/11 dead. And while they may have the right to build that mosque there, by doing so they show that they are not interested in promoting any type of dialog. They are, in fact, only interested in what they want to do. And another problem is that we are living increasingly in a society that no longer functions by the will of the people, but by the will of only a few. That is not what this country was founded on. If the Imam is clean and his money is clean and the families of the 9/11 dead come on board, then go ahead, but unless that is the case, any building of any mosque is a slap in the face to those families. In America, people used to care about those things. Not anymore.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:05 pm |
    • Jared

      I agree that this mosque has any right to be built, i believe all religions can co-exists. However, the stigma especially that close to such a sensitive area of New York is straining. Some could say its to make a mockery of 9/11 or it could be coincidence, i think it will cause a lot of tension. Sadly its these extremists that have made a mockery of the Islamic religion. However the builders/developers/people behind the scenes have to understand the pain suffered at ground zero. This country will never forget.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:21 pm |
    • Dorianna

      As a person who has lost no less than 25 people personally on 9/11. I have a huge problem with this location! It's being built for no other reason than to stamp claim on land that they feel they have been victorious in beating, as it states in their texts. If it is ment to unify then why are they planning on having the grand opening of the building on 9/11/2011! (the 10th anniversary of the attacks) Give me a Friggin break! All I can say is IF it does get finished I'm sure it will not be there for very long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      August 11, 2010 at 11:23 pm |
    • Kay

      NYC must fight this! It is an injustice to the victims of 9-11. Those building the mosque do not respect the wishes of the families. It is "in your face" and they know it. Shame on the Muslim community for pushing this and I hope NYC will continue to fight against the mosque. If they build it there, I hope they protest it daily with signs and banners.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:26 pm |
    • Ed

      As a U.S. infantry combat veteran I support their resolute stand on building a house of worship and a community center that will only help most people to become more culturally relative and respectfull of other beleifs and traditions. This is what I fought for overseas, for our country to be a pillar of freedom. Reading all the objections to this is heartbreaking to me and quite un-American.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:41 pm |
    • DemInTenn

      This just proves my theory. There is only one reason why they want that mosque there – to make a mockery of the citizens of New York.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:44 pm |
    • ED

      Atom lives in a loft in NYC and has never lived or worked in a Muslim country. I spent a great deal of time in Malaysia, considered a moderate Muslim nation business friendly. Believe me it was anything but accomodating to any other faith within its jurisdication.
      This religion takes but does not play on any level of tolerance to Christians and Jews. Ask them what their policy is with homosexuals. Very intolerant. We should not allow the foothold that Europe is now fighting.

      August 11, 2010 at 11:56 pm |
    • marie

      it should not be built here but it will be ...AND ARMS SHALL STAND ON HIS PART< AND THEY SHALL POLLUTE THE SANCTUARY OF STRENGTH, AND SHALL TAKE AWAY THE DAILY SACRIFICE, AND THEY SHALL PLACE THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE. DANIEL 11:31 KJV....THIS IS THE FALSE RELIGON REVELATIONS SPEAKS OF. BUT THIS SITE IS A MEMORIAL TO THE DEAD LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET THEM REST IN PEACE THAT THEIR FAMILIES MIGHT HAVE PEACE.

      August 12, 2010 at 12:01 am |
    • Princess AA

      this world is balanced with good and bad people, all it would take is ONE bad person to tip the scale and all Hell will brake out like any of us has ever seen!

      August 12, 2010 at 12:23 am |
    • swest

      Watch this and you might chagne your mind about these peoples intentions.
      I know it's Fox News but look up the history for yourself. It's true.
      http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/20947300

      August 12, 2010 at 1:05 am |
    • Christian_Beauty

      I was just in Kenya last year and was at a Christian church revival when the loud abnoxious mosque prayer hmm sounded off drowning out any sound coming from our preacher. I asked a native why it was so loud. The reply was that the Muslims intenionally build right next to Christian churches and establishements. It is a rude abnoxious and severly annoying tactic and is the first thing that came to mind when I first heard this story. Sadly it is them trying to rub salt in the wound. There have to be hundreds of other possible locations but they have to use this one....My my my....I hope we can come together and pray this out!!!!!

      August 12, 2010 at 1:15 am |
    • Lawrence

      Hey Russ,
      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints purchased and distributed thousands of Korans throughout South Asia directly after the 2004 Tsunami's. I can't speak for all of the religions you listed, I needed to do more research into them myself, but I'd recommend you looking a little deeper because I know from experience, that this church stresses just that "love, compassion, and understanding" of all people and POVs...

      August 12, 2010 at 1:42 am |
    • freepalestine

      I agree. Let freedom ring!

      August 12, 2010 at 2:08 am |
    • Bo Gillum

      What would the uproar be if we wanted to build a Christian church in Kabul ??

      August 12, 2010 at 2:48 am |
    • ironman280

      Here is a proposal. Have the chairman of the mosque leaderhip comittee build a christian or jewish church in their parent country and see how far that goes. Tolerance is a two-way street. I think our religious tolerance is a strength that recognizes that our commonalities far outweigh our differences – but this does seem to be an almost in your face bit if blatant disregard for the victims of 9/11. There are plenty of other places to build a mosque.

      August 12, 2010 at 2:53 am |
    • Lenses

      I think they are building the mosque to pray for the innocent Muslims that continue to be lost in Iraq as we look for weapons of mass destruction.

      August 12, 2010 at 5:01 am |
    • smcgov

      Russ, that's ridiculous. I've never once in my life heard a disparaging remark about any other religion from the pulpit. The constant bashing of organized religion here on CNN is over the top. Please give an example of organized religion somehow taking over congress and declaring war in America. I have not heard ONE hateful word, not even an insinuation about any other religion IN MY LIFE. What Churches are you people allegedly going to? I stopped going to church after many years because they don't have air conditoning and I prefer not to sweat my a55 off. I still pray daily and have managed not to hate or murder anybody....and honestly I could care less what religion someone else is. But it's obvious to see the constant bashing of religious people here on CNN...communist news network. This is what happens at "tolerant" liberal hangouts.

      August 12, 2010 at 6:32 am |
    • Joe

      I can remember another "gathering place" used by 19 Muslims nine years ago just a few blocks away. As I recall, that gathering didn't go so well for roughly 3,000 innocent people.

      August 12, 2010 at 6:50 am |
    • Alain

      I cannot agree more. Religion is more and more the opium of the people. It narrows the understanding of life and creates extremisms. Just let's live in peace, accepting the others in their differences.

      August 12, 2010 at 10:35 am |
    • Buzzer

      Russ you're experience with church is obviously extremely limited and your comment is ignorant and stereotypical.

      August 12, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
    • nomoregbldgk

      my kid asked me about the proper etiquette for prayer yesterday especially if she is not in a cleansed state and I told her at some point in one's life prayer becomes an ongoing conversation with God and wherever and whenever she chooses to engage in that conversation and whatever state she finds herself in there is a Mosque erected right over her head.

      August 12, 2010 at 3:53 pm |
    • Reeperbahn

      @Bo Gillum: Yousaid: "What would the uproar be if we wanted to build a Christian church in Kabul ??"

      The only Christian Church in Afghanistan ever was located in the city of Kabul and was founded in the 1950s by Pastor Christie Wilson serving the foreign community there. Afghan nationals were legally forbidden from entering the compound (I.D.s checked at the door). It was closed by the Karzai governement a year and a half ago. Oddly, this church existed under kings, the mujahadeen and even the Taliban, but was closed by the "democratic" government of Hamid Karzai.

      August 12, 2010 at 4:03 pm |
    • Gregg

      I agree with Atom.

      In fact, building a Mosque directly on ground zero would be a perfect way to push back against the terrorists that destroyed the Twin Towers. True Islam did not attack America, militant extremists fraudulently hiding under the guise of Islam did. Let’s pull the veil away from al-Qaeda by being loving and accepting of our true Islamic brothers and sisters.

      And … no, I am not Islamic myself. I am a red blooded, church going, American patriot that practices the teachings of Jesus Christ. I am also intelligent enough not to falsely endow my enemies with the non-existent support of the World’s second largest religion.

      August 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm |
    • Bo Gillum

      I meant , what would the uproar be like today ? I'm sure there would be problem acquiring permits for the build.

      August 13, 2010 at 12:00 am |
    • NAOMI

      DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MUSLIMS CONTINUES TO DROP YEAR AFTER YEAR SINCE 9-11

      http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/us-hate-crimes-against-muslims-continue-to-decline-more-hate-crimes-against-christians/

      THERE ARE MORE MANY MORE HATE CRIMES AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. AND YOU COULD ARGUE THAT IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE LESS MUSLIMS IN THE COUNTRY, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST IT AND THERE IS THIS FALSE PERCEPTION THAT MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED OFTEN HERE, WHICH JUST IS NOT TRUE.

      YOU CAN CHECK ANY HATE CRIMES REPORT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE ONE I POSTED, AND IT WILL TELL YOU THE SAME EXACT THING.

      AND ALSO, I THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO WHAT NEW YORK WANTS, THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING WHICH WILL UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE (WHETHER IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG IS NOT THE ISSUE, THEY JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS).

      August 13, 2010 at 8:19 am |
    • rsfselig

      what is the purpose of creating such anomosity, yes they have the legal right but should not a higher road be taken considering the situation or are there alterior motives, this is not the place to protest but a solem place and if any thing a nondemonotial house of worship should be built with a message of unity and true freedom for all

      August 14, 2010 at 9:23 pm |
    • Wanda Zimmerman

      I support the building of the community center, that contains a mosque, at the currently planned site. I can not belive that anyone would object. The area would greatly benefit from the community center. Think of the equally painful disaster in Oklahoma city. Many judeo-christians killed by judeo-christian men. The building of ANY judeo-christion near the location of that disaster would be welcomed with open arms....

      August 22, 2010 at 11:32 am |
    • LisaLV

      Why is the planned commuity center/mosque up for discussion? Whether or not it should be built two blocks away from Ground Zero should not be an issue. It's no more of an afront to the families of the 9/11 victims, after all, the Muslim community lost lives as well, is neither here nor there. If by simple protest one group of people can decide the where another group of people may live, worship, work or play, is unacceptable according to the Bill of Rights, thus not up for a vote. It doesn't matter. We're grown ups. This country has real problems that need to be solved.

      August 23, 2010 at 1:36 am |
  19. Kevi n

    Madmo- I dont even understand what you wrote.

    I am however all for the project.

    August 11, 2010 at 4:30 pm |
    • SR

      madmo was very clear. It is a common practice all over the world for Muslims to destroy non muslim holy sites and build mosques. It is their way of declaring victory. Don't fall for their crap about an outreach program.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:00 pm |
    • wzrd1

      Yep, the Muslims have the same policy as the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant churches. Conquest, then make a victory monument in the form of a house of worship. Where do you think they learned it?
      As for using state land for the mosque, leave it to a Tory state to ignore the constitution. That silly little separation of church and state thing, remember it?

      August 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm |
    • Dr Perry Fisher

      I have read of that.I know that you are correct in your information

      August 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    • Dhulfiqar

      SR,

      I didn't know Burlington Coat Factory was a religious site. Do you guys worship wearing yesteryears designer coats and mittens? Do you guys get a worshipers get a discount as well?

      Tsk....

      August 11, 2010 at 5:35 pm |
    • qanerd

      The Muslims view a site they consider conquered much as a dog views a fire hydrant. This is MINE!

      August 11, 2010 at 5:38 pm |
    • William

      I am all for building a mosque right on top of the twin towers wreckage. I'm also for building a memorial for the Japanese pilots who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor right on top of the Arizona. Dumbass.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:41 pm |
    • Captin America

      Constitution wins, you nut heads and ultra conservative tycoons lose πŸ˜€

      August 11, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Jeff B.

      And the epitome of their intent, is the name "Cordova"..I'm sure the people in Spain never saw it coming either.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:44 pm |
    • Demo Crazy

      I guess Muslims are desperate and trying to seek attention of other religions. It is some sort of inferiority complex they have. Let them have chance to enjoy this freedom. After they arrived at US, they know Burlington Coat Factory. I am sure in their country, they won't even get a Racoon's fur coat!

      August 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm |
    • Omar

      I feel bad for so many people on this Talkback. It really show's the extent Ignorance can lead to.

      Peace to all

      August 11, 2010 at 6:44 pm |
    • debill

      Britain has been able to put the past behind them and allow Irish terrorists into their government (terrorists who were incidentally in large part financed by US citizens.) Is the US incapable of the same forward thinking, or are we once again destined to remain firmly behind the rest of the world in our attitudes ?

      August 11, 2010 at 6:48 pm |
    • muchogroucho

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fq6TsUUDU&w=640&h=360]

      watch this about the imam behind the mosque. he is a wolf in sheeps clothing

      August 11, 2010 at 7:23 pm |
    • Edwin

      Jeff B: the name Cordova was probably chosen because the city was an example of religious tolerance. It was Muslim controlled, but Jews and Christians were able to own property and worship without hindrance. They did pay a tax to worship a non-state religion, but in other parts of Europe, non-Christians were simply burned at the stake or hung until dead or drowned.

      It is likely that the jewish and christian citizens of Cordova faced less religious intolerance than American muslims do.

      August 11, 2010 at 7:57 pm |
    • free2comment

      @qenard
      I don't know what you are all on about, if someone offered to put up a new builiding in this flagging economy and knock down the eyesore in the picture it could be a brothel for all I would care and it would still be a neighborhood improvement. anyone says otherwise is either high or just plain crazy

      August 11, 2010 at 8:13 pm |
    • YouDopes

      It is amusing that many Moslems on this comment using Christian names.

      Cordoba was the center of the Islamic Caliphate, something Bin Laden wanted to establish.

      It seems from the response of the people behind the mosque that they are adamant on building at this site, especially since they could have build half a mile away and still served the lower Manhattan area.

      August 11, 2010 at 9:17 pm |
    • Nunzi

      Read "Muslim Mafia" & you will understand the "agenda" re: this mosque. If not the whole book, at least start with Chap. 14 !

      August 11, 2010 at 9:37 pm |
    • Sally Forth

      If these "idiots" build this here........... Someone, my guess Idaho or Michigan, will find a way to "rubbleize it"... HOPE HOPE HOPE... .....or is that Change?

      August 11, 2010 at 9:46 pm |
      • peace2all

        @Sally Forth

        I gotta' say...... your post is very similar to the headset and mindset of the ignorant and angry 'radical' muslims who perpetrated the events of 9/11.

        August 12, 2010 at 1:46 am |
    • Hoog

      Grab a copy of the movie "Obsession", and tell let me know if you feel differently.

      August 11, 2010 at 10:13 pm |
    • Yorker

      It is surprising that the Mosque committee wants to build an Islamic center right across the street from the World Trade Center site where 3000 people died as a direct result of Islamic terrorists, even when the vast majority of New Yorkers and Americans disapprove of it. And all in the name of building bridges. With whom? Americans or Islamic terrorists across the world who hate the United States and would like to see it destroyed???

      Lower Manhattan encompasses several square miles and to serve this large area they could have located the mosque a mile or two away and still serve the area. Apparently that does not seem to be their goal and neither is building bridges!!!

      August 11, 2010 at 10:46 pm |
    • Dennis

      Every time I have to wait an extra hour to board a plane and realize that people around the world waste a billion hours because of increased security at airports I say, thank you Islam religion of peace. It makes me sick to see so many insensitive Muslims on this site professing their religion of peace. Listen, this is America and we cannot stop the center but at least allow us to grief through a freeken website without you commenting on every post. Seriously, there is some serious pain here and you guys need to let real american's vent a little.

      August 11, 2010 at 10:47 pm |
      • Momo

        its one thing to vent, its another to use an entire population as a scapegoat for 9-11. WE comment back because we are sick and tired of it. Yea its bad enough waiting at the airport but its even worse when everyone looks at you just coz you have a F'n beard, or because your skin is brown or your name is mohammed. I work hard, take care of my family, pay my F'n taxes and have the right NOT TO BE PROFILED because of 9-11. THere, thats my vent.

        August 12, 2010 at 1:33 am |
    • peace2all

      @Sally Forth

      "rag-head libs"....?

      A bit of a bigot are we.....?

      August 12, 2010 at 2:00 am |
  20. madmo

    Sure. That definitely does not work, because it defeats the purpose of 'Destroying non-Muslim sites and replace it with Mosques' . How can a sane Muslim( insane Human being) agree for that?

    August 11, 2010 at 4:00 pm |
    • Momo

      NObel prize nominee for stupidity.

      August 11, 2010 at 5:08 pm |
    • m1a1

      I take it you are muslim??????

      August 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm |
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