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August 19th, 2010
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Only a third of Americans say Obama is Christian; almost one in five say he's Muslim President Obama speaking in a Washington church earlier this year. A substantial and growing chunk of the country believes that President Obama, a self-described Christian, is Muslim, while only about a third of Americans are able to correctly identify his religion, according to a survey released Thursday. Nearly one in five Americans believe Obama is a Muslim, up from around one in 10 Americans who said he was Muslim last year, according to the survey, conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. While most of those who think Obama is Muslim are Republicans, the number of independents who believe he is Muslim has expanded significantly, from 10 percent last year to 18 percent now. The number of Americans who express uncertainly about the president's religion, meanwhile, is much larger and has also grown, including among Obama's political base. For instance, fewer than half of Democrats and African-Americans now say that Obama is Christian. In March 2009, 36 percent of African-Americans said they didn't know what religion Obama practices. Now, 46 percent of African-Americans say they don't know. "You would think the longer the person is in the White House, the more the 'don't knows' would decline," said Alan Cooperman, the Pew Forum's associate director for research. "But the 'don't knows' are higher now than when he came to office." The survey was conducted in late July and early August. Though Obama advertised his Christianity on the campaign trail and early in his administration - including distributing pamphlets about his religion during the 2008 presidential race and inviting the Rev. Rick Warren to his inauguration - he has been less public about his faith since then. Despite intense media speculation about which Washington church Obama would join, for example, the White House has yet to announce that he has joined any. "We had eight years of George W. Bush, who was very public about religious debates and high profile about religious practice and that's followed by Barack Obama, who is much lower profile about religious beliefs and practices," Cooperman said. "It could be that in the relative vacuum of information coming out of the White House about his personal religious beliefs, others step in to feel the breach," Cooperman said. "It allows others who say that 'Oh, he's really this or that' to gain some currency." Joshua DuBois, executive director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, said Wednesday night that Obama has "expanded in a historic way the engagement of persons of faith by this administration." The president has given six speeches on faith issues, DuBois said, and has launched the first-ever White House advisory council for the faith-based office, composed largely of religious leaders. "A lot of these facts are not necessarily what the public and the media are focused on everyday, which is not surprising given the issues we're facing as a country: reforming health care, bringing the troops home from Iraq and the economic recovery," DuBois said in an interview. False rumors that Obama is Muslim have dogged him since he declared his candidacy for president in 2007. Pew conducted its survey before the president's comments last week about the right of Muslims to proceed with a controversial proposal for an Islamic center and mosque near ground zero. The Rev. Joel Hunter, a Florida evangelical who is in frequent touch with Obama, says their relationship belies the findings of the new survey. "He is very definitely a Christian, but a lot of the things he does to work on spiritual formation are simply not public," Hunter said. Hunter said that he is in weekly contact with the president about his spiritual life, including writing devotionals for Obama and praying with him via telephone. Hunter said he received a call from Air Force One on the president's 49th birthday earlier this month. "Several of us (Christian pastors) prayed with him over the phone," Hunter said. "We talked about his life and what he wanted us to pray for and it was at his initiative." Earlier, when the president learned Hunter's grandchild had been stricken with cancer, the Florida preacher said he received a call from the White House. "He called and told me that he and Michelle were praying for us," Hunter said, referring to the first lady. "I explained that this was an aggressive form of cancer and he pastored me, saying the Lord would be with us through this and that we should trust in God. 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Obama is the first US president to cancel the National Day of Prayer. His action spoke clearly that he is not a Christian. Perhaps he is a muslim and that's why he supports the idea of an Islamic Center on ground zero.
Of course, if you'd like to continue to remain ignorant then that's your choice. Or you could do a little research and find out that it's a blatant lie that he canceled the National Day of Prayer. By repeating the lie, it makes you a liar. How's that feel.
Obama did NOT cancel the National Day of Prayer. He canceled the formal ceremony at the White House – that's all.
So only christians pray?
Obama did not cancel the National Day of Prayer, that was all a lie. What he did was observe it in private, as many other Christian presidents have done, such as Ronald Reagan. Not having the same gathering the Bush did is not the same thing. Stop believing those lies invented by morons like Rush that then get circulated by chain emails.
National Day of Prayer. Yes, that means for all believers of all faiths, not just one, as you would like to believe. And the mosque is not being built at the WTC site, it's a couple blocks away on private land. You are what's wrong with this country. Rational thought has been purged from Americans' brains and it saddens me.
your fake read it before you quote it the lord said to follow the laws of those in power do not judge another pay to him what is due, all kinds of a guide to live we can build guided missiles but we live in a wold of misguided souls
He did *NOT* cancel the National Day of Prayer.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0506/National-Day-of-Prayer-is-on-despite-court-ruling
Please, please, please, stop spreading lies.
Matthew 6:6. Jesus wasn't a supporter of public prayer.
So–Obama is actually more closely following the actual instructions of Christ than previous presidents. Following that logic–he's more Christian–not less.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I wouldn't care if he were a Muslim, but he's not. He's a little *too* Christian for my taste, and I wish he'd stop catering to religious interest groups. The more attention you pay to them, the more they think they get to tell you what to do.
So what if he's a Muslim? So what? Are we still living in the Dark Ages where a person's religion is everywhere? Only in America!!!
Don't know if the man is a Muslim, but there's NO WAY he's a Christian. No Christian would have sat in the pews of "Reverend Wright's" church for 20 minutes. let alone, 20 years. Wright's "gospel" had nothing to do with the biblical Gospel. Wright's not a Christian.....Obama's not a Christian. Period. Obama started to talk "Christianese" during the campaign just to secure votes. Once elected, he chucked the Bible and played golf rather than show up at church. He's a dark individual.
BFD. I bet you a lot of these so-called Christians never go to church, commit adultery, use prostitutes, heck, some Christian priests EVEN molested children.
So anything that's not Christian is dark? IGNORANCE. We are such a stupid nation. it's amazing.
And you are the judge of whether someone or something is Christian or not? Hmm, the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were put on by the Catholic Church. The same church that covered up decades of child molestations by numerous Catholic priests. Therefore, in your eyes, no person that attends the Catholic Church is Christian, right?
Are you GOD? Oh, you can judge people. My bible tells me Christians are NOT supposed to judge people. If they are not Christian, we are supposed to minister them the goodness of our Lord. Then they have the CHOICE to follow or not. Then GOD will be the judge come judgement day. The bible I read, says, Judge not, less you be judged.
So, why don't we scrutineze your life to see how "Christian" you are. Since you are so perfect and have NEVER sinned.............This is absolutely ridicuolus. So called Christians judging others. I may disagree with you, may not even like you. But I still pray for you. That what's Christians should be doing.
Boy, it would be great if he were not a Christian either, since Christians are not much better than Muslims.
You know some Christians only go to church a couple times a year, right? this whole "20 years" bit is just an exaggeration.
And at least Rev. Wright knows a thing or two about US foreign policy. It's nice to have a preacher who is educated too.
Why do we care? I'm not religious so I could care less whether the President is. Just once, I'd like to see a sitting President stand up and say "I'm not religious" or "I chose to be spiritual privately" or "I choose to practice my religion without being confirmed by four walls and a door that can be closed." Just let the man believe what he believes and let's move on to something important.
Thomas Jefferson
I *am* religious, and I completely agree. The man is privately spiritual. That's perfectly fine, and it's NONE of our business. He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and if he doesn't because he turns out to be some radical cult worshipper, then he can be impeached. Otherwise, even if he IS a radical cult worshipper (he's not), it's irrelevant. If it doesn't affect his leadership, it's irrelevant. Bush, though morally (and/or religiously) opposed to abortion, could not lay down some sort of presidential law banning it. His Christianity didn't matter. Whatever Obama is – who cares? And if he says he's a Christian, then accept it. There is zero proof that he is anything but Christian anyway. Sorry "Disgusted" – I realize I'm preaching to the choir here. Just venting, because like you, I am disgusted by all this.
Dear disgusted,
It matters to me and a lot of Christian Americans! Why? Because I don't like my tax money used to promote the killing of innocent unborn babies! And he even sent our tax money (23 million) to Kenya to support abortion over there! That money and the 400 million he sent to Afghanistan could have been better spent especially with so many Americans out of work. Also, Muslims by their faith are allowed and even encouraged to LIE to infidels so I would never trust a Muslim to be honest! Yes, a governing person's belief system matters because they are making laws that affect our lives.
Dear Gloria,
People like you are the reason why conservative Democrats and independents won't vote Republican and kick Obama out. Why can't you just keep your religion to yourself, remember that little thing Thomas Jefferson said, how it didn't bother him if his neighbor didn't believe in one god or 20 gods, and how it neither picked his pocket nor broke his leg? Why can't you just stop coming into people's bedrooms and shoving the bible down their throat? Gay marriage, how does it affect YOU? Are you the one getting married to a gay person? A woman having an abortion, how does it affect YOUR LIFE? If anything, it's better because you won't have to pay taxes to support an unwanted baby which may not get the needed care. Live and let live.
It is so sad how ignorant the people in this country are. The people who think he is a Muslim are the same ones who don't believe he was born in the U.S.
Just a matter of time before these right wing nuts start demanding their own United States of Christiandom to be carved out from the current US. Sort of like the French speaking Quebecs in Canada.
Well, he DEFINITELY isn't a REAL Christian if he supports gay marriage and abortion
Mehalko – President Obama is AGAINST gay marriage. He's stated it many times. BTW – who the hell are you to say who's a real christian or not? My bible tells me "judge not, less you be judged". We ALL fall short. Not a single one of us is perfect. God is our only judge. When the time comes, HE and HE alone will make the decision who has been a REAL christian. There's too much other stuff going on for people to be worrying about what religion someone is or not. BTW – there is NOTHING in the constitution about what religion a president has to be. You should pray to God for foregiveness for judging another. I'll pray for you like I pray for EVERYONE, no matter who you are. That's what my bible tells me to do.
And – let's not forget – they're probably the same ones who think we're in a post-racial America; even despite Dr. Laura. Let's just hope they're not on the bench making decisions regarding civil rights and discrimination cases; I'm sure they are, but whose watching?
And – let's not forget – they're probably the same ones who think we're in a post-racial America; even despite Dr. Laura. Let's just hope they're not on the bench making decisions regarding civil rights and discrimination cases; I'm sure they are, but whose checking?
@ (B)iraq Hussein Osama
The Separatist Movement in Québec is a far more complex issue than a bunch of illiterate, “Christian”- crazy rednecks (I put Christian in quotations because I question many of you who claim to be Christians on your many varied interpretations of what constitutes a ‘real’ Christian).
It’s not just Francophone Québécois who are Separatists. Many people who support an independent Québec live across Canada, and many are Anglophones (that’s English speakers for those of you who are illiterate). Much of their fight for independence is rooted in aspirations of equality and cultural recognition. Please tell me when the last time a (white male) American Christian faced inequality in the US? Or better yet, being a cultural minority across the country?
Might I suggest that you don’t use references which clearly have no correlation to your countries retarded squabbles and for which you most certainly don’t have any personal knowledge of.
When I saw him chowing down on the swine sandwich, there was no doubt in mind that he's a Christian. Public pressure then forced him to move a filthy dog into the white house to top it off.
Whoa.....that's pretty brutal
That doesnt say much to me, i got a bunch of practicing Muslim friends that eat pork day in day out..
they must be "muslims" like obama is muslim!! cause its well known, even borderline muslims usually don't touch pork even if they drink alcohol and fornicate outside of wedlock. and you are claiming your friends are "practicing muslims"!
Moxoxoxoo: Practicing muslims don't eat pork or drink. They wouldn't be practicing Islam if they do that.
That's no way to talk about Hillary.
What year is this, 1022? Are we launching another Crusade?
Why does it matter what, if any, imaginary friend Obama talks to telepathically? He's the President, not the Pope.
Nicely said!
how do they poll people?? how come no one ever asks me anything lol
i bet they ask a bunch of old republicans just sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring so they can say Obama is a nazi. They should go to the hood and see what people have to say about Sarah Palin
This article is ridiculous in every way. Is it a prerequisite to believe in fairy tales to be president of your country? Get over it.
It would be helpful if you also published the percentage of those polled that voted in the last presidential election.
I've got a poll for you ! How many people think we do too many damn polls ? Im sick of poll's! Poll's are for idiot's who cant think for themselves !
17% of people agree with you, according to the latest poll.
Yes, and at least 80% don't understand the difference between plural and possessive...,
Deborah: Rock on, Grammar Sister!
While I agree that they poll people for everything, I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that polls are for idiots. Voting sure is a nice right to have...and polling works pretty well to get a general idea of where people are at. Polls are the result of people already forming an opinion about a subject but I don't know anybody who forms an opinion based on a poll. You might be thinking about a scientific study.
Oh, and bagging on people's grammer on an informal comment board is just for people who don't have anything to say about the topic at hand, so unless their message is incoherent or you work for Hooked on Phonics...just chill out. So you can spell and puntuate with the best, but what good is that if you have nothing substantial to say?
@CommonSenseGuy
Chill. I thought Deb's comment was funny. Nice to have someone not take things too seriously around here.
Really CNN? you people disgust me! first of all, so what if he isn't a christian?!!!! and secondly, 1/3 of america? really? did you contact me? or anyone around me for that matter? you surveyed the entire countrY? you and your da m polls! i'm so sick of CNN
And yet here you are.....
Someone clearly failed a basic stat course.
Was it you Andrew??? I think what the person is trying to convey is that what you believe in can be skewed by where you live, etc., in other words, the person was saying random sampling was not done.
You're sick of polls? I don't like polls period because they don't have an relevance (For instance the poll about the mosque being built is not 68 to 32).
Not that I'm comparing CNN NEWS to Fox News but Fox is king of the polls. IHas anyone actually viewed a poll by Fox? Its the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. All they ask are extremely vague questions and give the answers "Yes, No, or Not Sure/ Maybe." Their polls also NEVER deal with someone or something associated with Republican party.
Yet you are reading about a poll on CNN. Looks like you are tired of CNN and the polls alright.
Right on. I thought we had freedom to practice any religion in the U.S. I know lots of people who say they are Catholic (not) or Christian or whatever, and from their behavior and hate talk, I would have to disagree with them.
Sigh. The poll was conducted by the Pew Research Center – CNN is merely reporting the results. And typical polling methodology does not include contacting and questioning every person in America, but rather a statistically significant number of randomly selected people – usually a large enough sample for statisticians to feel 95% confident (based on methematical theory) that their results accurately reflect the opinions of the entire population.
Yeah, whats up with that, why didn't they go to every single person in American and ask them!!!!111122
THAT POLL IZ RONG
It's appears that CNN is the biased ones, they are always trying to stir-up trouble regarding our President, just too sad. If you folks are going to do a poll, you folks should at least be fair about it but that's too easy because the media is always trying to stir-up fear and so what if President Obama is a Muslim. Who are u people to try to tell somebody what religion to be, the audicity. I bet the CEO of CNN is a Republican because they care about no one but themselves and folks within their little circle. CNN stop drinking that Hater-aid and try some Kool-aid, maybe u folks will feel better..
The title of the article should be "Americans – Ignorant Beyond Belief"
Seriously, how screwed up is the USA that 1 in 5 believe Obama is a Muslim.
who the hell takes a poll to determine a person's religious affiliations? what nonsense!!
"Faithless loon", you know as long as you continue to treat atheists like that in this nation, then yes, anyone really would have every right to hide their religious affiliation from the majority of the public. The founding fathers made it clear that no religious litmus test shall be issued for any office or position in the government, meaning his religious beliefs, REGARDLESS of what they are, are off limits. And if you people so adamantly stand up shouting "we won't elect you unless you are part of our religion", then the only real course of action is to say "yes, I am a Christian" if you want to be elected to a public office... directly against what the founding fathers explicitly stated and intended. If you would stop treating atheists like we're the plague, then maybe people would be more willing to step forth and admit their beliefs. People pander to you because people like you offer little recourse.
Exactly Sunsohot! A President's religion should not be an issue; what is important here is whether the President can take care of AMERICA
Its sad to see how the nation gets divided by an obsesive political group. I dont care if Obama is muslim or not, but i do care about the nations problems. Those people instead on fixating on issues that really matter, they try to pin "something" on Obama. Its these people that do not know how to come to and get helpfully involve into a real problemed issue, instead they try to accuse Obama
Who cares?
His political enemies care... the entire Religious Right. Even the mere "suggestion that he's Muslim gives them one more piece of ammunition to throw him out as soon as they can. I swear, the list of things Obama can do wrong remind me of the "Good Times" virus spoof in the 90's that suggested it will will make your ice cream melt, kick your dog, and give you Dutch Elm disease.
i agree...who cares and most americans cant even find Saudi Arabia on a map much less have the first clue about the basis of their own religion...
americans may not be able to find Saudi Arabia on a map, but believe me, billions of dollars of American made weapon systems have no difficulty finding their way to Saudi Arabia!
Exactly Travis, Who cares???? If the Americans are so upset that he is a Muslim (or not), they knew before they voted him in the White House. Next election, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM.
Obama is not a Muslim. He is a Christian, though he seems a bit agnostic, he could be an atheistic.....there's really no point of debating this, because he is the president and there is no religion prerequisite to becoming the President.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik
actually i'm sorry, there IS a point in debating the honesty of the president. If he says he is a Christian but really he is not, he is a liar. and a thief. Because he stole the country and all the Christian votes, making him a fraud. and if he lies on one thing, especially of that, what honesty does he have? DO YOU WANT AN HONEST PRESIDENT OR A LIAR? THANK YOU FOR LISTENING
Wait wait wait, how did he "steal" anything? If he happens to, in actuality, not be a Christian, how does that constituting "stealing" Christian votes? Because Christians wouldn't vote for anyone who isn't a Christian? Given that the majority of the country is Christian, wouldn't that be equivalent to stating "you cannot be elected president if you are not a Christian"? And here I distinctly remember the founding fathers stating that no religious litmus test shall be issued for the office of the president, yet you seem to be under the impression that the religious beliefs of the president are actually important.
Funny, I tend to side with the people who say "IT DOESN'T MATTER", and given the rather explicit words of the founding fathers, I would argue that the crowd saying 'it doesn't matter' are far more in line with the principles and ideals this nation was founded on, than you.
No religion requirement for president is true, but honesty would be a good start.
So what you're suggesting Faisal, is that Christians vote based on their religion? Which in turn would be the Republicans. This would imply that all Republican politics are based off the religion Christianity. All facts, not opinions. The Republican party is a joke. I'm sick of their absurd politics, I'm sick of their inability to hold themselves accountable for anything, I'm sick of their incompetent politicians, and I'm especially sick of them not honoring the Constitution.
President Obama comes from a contemporary ethnic group but what is most important, his values, are old school and traditional. He espouses the values of the founders of the USA who wanted separation of church and state.
Who cares!!
I still find it amazing people still believe that Obama said "we are no longer a Christian nation". What they fail to tell you is that he qualified it in his very next statement as "just", and in context was the equivalent to "we are no longer JUST a Christian nation" and then listed of other religions that make up the population of the US.
Not a Christian. He openly has admitted, on LIVE TELEVISION, that he is a Muslim. Do a search on it. He has said so multiple times. Too funny that CNN can't pull up their own video coverage of the events.
Obama sat in a church for 20 years where the so-called pastor preached hate for America.
I don't know what he is, but he's not a Christian.
Omar,
OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN just because he says he is! Jesus told us to LOOK AT THE FRUITS! The fruits of Obama are not that of a Christian. You cannot consent with murderers and be free from the guilt of being a murderer (call it pro-choice if you want but it's murder of the innocent unborn and God’s law says “Thou shalt not kill”). Read Psalm 50:16-18 and 21-22 from the CHRISTIAN BIBLE about those who partake in sin against God. The title “Christian” means to follow the ways of Jesus Christ and Jesus was definitely Pro-Life and abortion is out. That goes for all you name-tag-only-Christians who gave your vote to the shedding of innocent blood in our country. And did you all know that Obama sent about 23 million of OUR tax dollars to fund the pro-abortion constitution in Kenya? Yes, it does matter what faith a president is because he makes laws that affect us all and I for one do not want to answer to God for the murder of the innocent unborn!
Obama has also been caught in several lies – He is an expert deceiver. True Christian believers are not supposed to lie. How can you have confidence in a man who lies? Again, look at the fruits! OBAMA IS NOT A CHRISTAIN!
DirtyF, are you retarded?
It matters because, as President, he should not claim one thing and then be another. Unfortunately, he stated that he is a Muslim on an abc interview, with George Stephanopolous "correcting him." Have you accidentally ever called yourself a Bahaii, when you were a Jew?
Why care? Because Obama may not be Muslim but he has given Islam the greatest honor ABOVE all other religions so far. He has gone OUT OF HIS WAY to promote Islam indirectly. Consider, at Notre Dame he purposely (or his dept) had all the Christian symbols covered but he elects a MUSLIM to be in charge of National Security??! He downplays National Prayer Day which is primarily a Christian event (or has been in the past) and goes out of his way to exalt Ramadan or the Islam feast days. In my opinion, he is not good for any country because he is favoring one religion over another.
Thank you!
Barack Hussein Obama is a presage to Isam. He lied about being Christian. What Christian would mock the Bible as Obama has? He calls Islam a peaceful religion, but take a look how many innocent people died on 911! How many young women and mothers are stoned and tortured for their so-called honor killings? Barack Hussein Obama is liar.
How many family members has Obama lost or anyone else who believes the Mosque should be built close to were the Islamic terrorist maimed and kill those innocent people? Obama wants the Mosque to be built because he is one of them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
I don't think the majority of his supporters really know who this cat is. Scary that people would blindly vote for a guy that clearly does not have American peoples interest at heart.
If he meant it in the sense that America as a nation does not have Bible based Christian values, then he is 100% correct.
By President Obama showing respoect to Muslim countries he is trying to build bridges, tear down stereotypes and negativity. He is being DIPLOMATIC!!! Just like Jackie Kennedy when she spoke French in France or Spanish in Mexico. Would you then call her French or Mexican?
I thought that CNN was reputable, not like FOX News, which only deals in lies and is part of tearing down Obama only because he is black. If you really payed attention to what is really going on here, you would know that Carl Rove, Dick Cheney, and Rush Lindbaugh are behind all of this. My sister is republican and she is always saying Obama is muslem and she knows it's "so" because she hears it on Rush Lindbaugh's show. These three guys are behind the take Obama down and just say it over and over no matter how many times it is proved wrong. Shame on you CNN! I am proud to be a real American and Democrat and I believe in my President and Country, not the constant lies that are undermining the strength of the United States. Judy in Everett, WA
Why does it even matter.. oh yea because the christian TALIBAN rule this country.... some day this religious BS will stop dictating who we must hate and or snuff out.
laughable
The day religion dies or the day that Christians realize that their religion has a blood soaked history to match any other major religion, and that they are no better then the Muslims they demonize, will be the day I shed tears of joy.
If both happened simultaneously, that would be particularly nice.
So true. The Christians are trying to turn America into a backwards hellhole like Iran.
Christian TALIBAN? Oh PLEASE! Do tell! When have Christians in the last two centuries forced women into their homes at the point of a gun, killed others for not believing the "right thing"?
You need to read your American history.
WHY THE TIME LIMIT OF TWO CENTURIES? LET'S LOOK BACK JUST A BIT FURTHER AND RECOGNIZE THE CRUSADES. oH, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE GUNS THEN...SORRY I GUESS I'M WRONG.
This is what I'm always afraid of. Just like the half-wit idiots who group all Muslims with the extremeists who hate us, Christians in this country tend to be grouped with the brainless Pat Robertson/Jerry Fallwell type fundamental Christians. I don't think that's quite a fair enough assumption to make. I am a Christian, and these people don't represent me in any way. But to comment on the REAL topic, this just illustrates how many idiots we have in this country who will believe anything they're told by certain conservative-biased news networks, regardless of not having any facts to back up their claims. And why should it matter if he's Muslim or Christian or what? He's a good man, who's trying to do good for this country.
AMEN sister!!
Jen, are you kidding me. Those claiming to be Christian committed genocide against Native Americans and forced men, women & children at gun point to move off their land. Others claiming to be Christian, enslaved men, women and children; buying, selling and breeding them like livestock. Others dressed up in white sheets and terrorized those that didn’t believe the way they do. To many have decided to play God and blow up abortion clinics. And the list goes on and on and on.
What religion doesn't have a bloody history?
Some things to consider;
Christians have committed various acts in semi-recent times, but they were for the most part whacko loners.
Radical muslims are an organized group, specifically use the muslim religion as the reason to hate us and are actively recruiting members. Apparently effective enough at the recruiting to get Americans to join their cause.
The muslim communities don't appear to be doing or saying much about these radicals.
As for the bloody history, yes, Christians took this country from the Native Americans, yes they bought and sold slaves, but you know what? The American Indians did the same, only they slaughtered each other, tribe against tribe, and even had slaves. Has there ever been a country, dynasty, ruling body that has never done any of this? lastly, how is ancient history relevant to this particular article?
There is controversy surrounding obama's birthplace, his upbringing and his religious beliefs. Of course, many point to relatively obscure postings of supposed birth certificates, etc. How easily that stuff is faked with today's technology.
So, if we assume for a moment he wasn't born in the U.S. and he is a muslim, that begs the question of how has he hidden it as well as he has and how did he make it to the presidency without getting caught? Seems like an awful lot of hurdles to clear. If so, then this would be the biggest case of fraud in history.
Let me be clear, I am no supporter of obama, but some things are just a tad bit out there.
Ads for him being a "good man" and just "..trying to do a good job", well, the first is an opinion based only on what we've been shown in the media (unless you are personal buddies) and the second, well, he may be trying, but...epic fail.
Jen, look up the LRA. They are a Christian group.
And it is rightly condemed by all christians. but we do not see the same among the religion you are defending. Also if you are so sick of america please leave.
And it is rightly condemed by all christian,. but we do not see the same among the religion you are defending. Also if you are so sick of america please leave
I did leave, about 20 years ago, after recognizing that the countrywhich I still I love, was in the first phase of a serious demise; led by people who don't believe that democracy can defend itself without murder. If your God is as strong as you believe, then he doesn't need you to kill, or harm, or insult the non-believers in your world. He will take care of that for you: or is he too weak?
Frag, you don't love this country TOO much, else you would have stayed and helped organize change.
Instead, you ran like a frightened child from a nebulous fear.
I am a man. I am a veteran. I'll NEVER run, but will seek to fix what is broken.
That is so untrue. Secular atheists (or more accurate NON-PRACTICING religious people who say they believe in God but don't follow God's laws) rule this country, thus the reason we have abortion, gay marriage support and broken homes galore. It is a very pagan society with scant remaining Christians here and there around the country. But don't worry, Islam will soon be given a wider realm here from Obama's help and Islam is all about political takeover. They have no desire to blend in with the culture but only desire to make non-Muslims bow to their injust and cruel laws.
If you don't want to be christian, then don't. As for me and my family, we are. As for the blood splashed all over, well I am grateful for it. As for muslims, God is still working on me with that, I do not have a heart for them nor do I even like to talk to them or be around them. I do not trust them and that my dear is tough, if you don't trust you can't very well embrace them. I believe it is wrong to single out any one, but I can't help the way I feel towards muslims. I don't think they are nice in any way shape or form, their woman are treated horribly, the men are not kind, gentle or peaceful. I believe President Obama is muslim, but not in the true sense, if he were, he would required to say so, if for no other reason but religion itself. Deny his god and his god will deny him.
Hey Groovy, you make some good points, but I’m confused with your last paragraph. You suggest that believing the President is a “good man” is an opinion, which I agree, but infer that “…trying to do a good job” is not an opinion, but is factually wrong. Your logic fails. I believe he’s been doing one hell of a great job, yes that is my opinion and it obviously differs from yours, but it is opinion and I’d guess that you and I could use the exact same facts to support our opinions. That makes neither of us right or wrong.
@Terry in Iowa
Well said.
The people on here who call themselves Christians and then immediately spew some type of hate should be ashamed. You are anything BUT a Christian! Christ himself would be insulted by your supposed allegiance to him!
I wish claiming to be "Christians" would read and really meditate on these words. The Bible says that God is Love. The hatred you display in your remarks make you no better than the people you are criticizing. Even worse, you are bringing reproach upon God's name. You really should be ashamed of yourselves. Satanic is a better name for you.
I wish those claiming to be "Christians" would read and really meditate on these words. The Bible says that God is Love. The hatred you display in your remarks make you no better than the people you are criticizing. Even worse, you are bringing reproach upon God's name. You really should be ashamed of yourselves. Satanic is a better name for you.
Need I remind everyone that it is the Republicans who stand on religious ground when they attempt to take the high ground about morals, the good of the American people and anything else that a Democrat or a Liberal may want to do or say. Our good christian friends in the Republican party are quick to talk about values and looking out for their fellow Americans.
1) Is it not the Republicans that want to repeal what they call Obamacare ( It's actually called The Nat'l Health Care LAW)
2) Do the Republicans care if we go back to Insurance companies being able to deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions?
3) Has any Republican acknowledged that the Stimulus package halted the slide into a depression for the U.S.?
4) Is it not true that the Republicans have stated over & over that President Obama is now the CEO of GM,Chrysler, Wall Street, The Banking Industry and the entire Insurance industry??
5) Do we all forget that the likes of Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Sharon Angle (all Republicans) have taken the stance that President Obama (that socialist dictator) is establishing interment camps, directing his czars to establish death panels for grandma, has his black army staged to take everyone's guns, and I'm sure some of you have seen the black helicopters flying overhead (big brother) keeping an eye on you, right????
This is where we are in this great country all because of the Republican party who has fallen so far to the right, that they no longer make any sense. Their friends in the Tea party keep trying to tell us that they are not racist, yet there are examples over and over again of their racist tilt. Then you have at the bottom of the cess pool barrel, the Birthers. These people are so bent out of shape that this country actually allowed a Black man to become President, that there must be some logical explanation on how this happened and a clear solution in their minds as to how to quickly fix it????
Well said.
I find it mildly amusing that just below this article there is a link for the previous entry which states "Ramadan roadtrip begins". Hmmm...
Don't you think it's a good idea fo rthe President to visit Muslim countries during Ramadan, REGARDLESS of his religion? We need the moderate Muslims' help to catch the extremists. The only reason Bush didn't do it is because someone would have thrown a shoe at him!
Who cares ?
Once again CNN is trying to push it's pro-Republican views in an unethical and unprofessional manner. After it's ranting about the so so called "ground zero" mosques – a term they coined up and fueled this misled debate – the mosque is 2 BLOCKS AWAYS- now they bring up this strange data. So CNN:
1- who conducted this study?
2-who finances or financed this study?
3- who interpreted the results?
4-what population sample was questioned and who "chose" or "randomised this?
5- are they the same sample that was questioned for the earlier poll?
GROW UP AND RESPECT YOUR VIEWERS. STOP FUELING SCHISMIC DEBATES benefitting your YOUR POLITICAL AFFLIATIONS
Why do we care what his religion is? Isn't it his duty to uphold the constitution, which provides that congress shall pass no law respecting religion.
"We need the moderate Muslims' help to catch the extremists"
thats where your wrong ...there are no moderate muslims , islam is islam , there is no common ground .
look at europe , far right parties are winning because people fear what their muslim populations are doing to their countries.
take a look at the mosque situation, these guys are the so called moderates ..no thanks
You need to first understand the enemy! there are extremist muslims, fundamentalist muslims and moderate muslims. Only fundamentalist muslims can counter the extremists (terr rorists). Moderate Muslims are usually too secular to stand up for anything or too dis-organized to counter a swarm of bees, never mind a bunch of extremists.
But no Muslim is going to fight other muslims on your behalf anyway (smile). Especially when you yourself are bombing the bejesus off the Muslim World. Unfortunately, the terr orists are right about you, you are a self-serving gun toting war addicts. It would be hard for you to recruit any type of Muslim to fight another Muslim. Why take sides with a big satan just to fight a little satan in ones own backyard?
This article states that more people think he'd Muslim AND more people don't know his religion,....so less people think WHAT?? Are the people who think less also questioning whether his birthplace in Hawaii is really a state? Since when does this REALLY matter in DC?
What people forget it this man is the President for EVERONE in these United States of America and guess what ignorant, back wood, folks..............there are lots of Muslims in the United States of America. But my question for CNN is: Do you only poll stupid people? I only know 2 people that think he is a Muslim and they are as stupid as stupid get. Anyone with a TV or a computer knows he is not a Muslim, but a Christian. Personally I don't care what he is. He has done what he said he would do: He has got legislation through that protects women's rights in the work place, he has started health care reform, he has shut down the war that should have never been started and ramped up the one that should have been the focus, he saved the auto industry, he has stopped the job loses and is starting to mending the economy, he has begun the process of ending DADT, he has brought back legitimacy to our Presidential Office, he has supported the middle and lower classes, he will end the taxes for the rich. I am pleased. And many of us, who actually understand what this country is about are pleased. He will have a second term and will continue to work for the Average American and the Republican Party is scared and obviously CNN is in the back pocket of the Republican Party or they would stop reporting these stories that paint a scary picture for the stupid of our population.
1 in 5 think he's Muslim? I guess that's about right... 2 in 5 are functioally illiterate...
What a huppla in reporting. Why not do a reader survey like CNN does all the time on other subjects?? I bet they would find out that more like 35-40% of all Americans think our president is a Muslim. CNN won't do a poll like that ... instead they rely on some 3rd party biased poll. Come on CNN ... everyone knows you are biased ... but to make it so blatently obvious??
Just a view from your neighbour to the North, an outsiders point of view. While every person in a free country is certainly allowed to express their opinion, it seems that your media (only your media) is giving a lot of attention to those who question where President Obama was born (namely the doctor who just does not want to go to the middle east and his lawyer baby Huey), the morons who believe Obama is a Muslim, and people who believe that by throwing up a wall and making people's lives miserable that 12 million illegal immigrants will just go back to Mexico and Central America. Come on America this is teenage tabloid nonsense. The arguement that the extreme and unusual voices in society need to be heard so they can be stopped is tacit. Stop giving them the air time and the attention. Frankly, you make America and Americans look stupid, which is so far from the truth. You (callectively) are a generous and kind hearted people who have sacrificed much for liberty at home and abroad, please don<t sell you legacy and national spirit down the drain. I love America and visit often. Most Canadians have business and family in the United States, we want to see a more dignified America.
It is silly that so many people think Obama is muslim. Didnt he used to worship with that racist priest? I have no idea what kind of religion/witch doctory the racist priest practiced, but I dont believe the racist priest was muslim.
Obama said he was Christian yet has not supported the National Day of Prayer. Conversely, Obama makes a statement supporting the mosque at the beginning of Ramadan.
hmmm could you be trying to distort the facts and sell the lie ,is the truth even in you , so should I ignore the facts and believe the lie hmmm....
ysuora, try reading comprehension sometime, would you??
"conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life." It's in the article, if you'd bother to READ, instead of just acting like a nutjob conspiracy theorist. Now take this roll of aluminum foil, and go make yourself a hat!!
Obama's problem is that he's TOO articulate and eloquent. In supporting the Ground Zero mosque, he was trying to support the Consitution rather than Islam at Ground Zero. But he tries too hard to come up with the Harvard answer and ends up putting his foot in his mouth because most of America (including the media) operate at a 7th grade reading level. Bush was gruff, he wasn't too bright, and he was wrong on a lot of things, but at the very least he said what he meant and he meant what he said. There was no ambiguity in his words. Stupidity maybe, but no amiguity.
Obama canceled the national day of prayer in the white house but he invites muslims for a dinner to celebrate the start of ramadan, everyone should be able to see his true colors.
Young people who voted for Obama just because he is black, are finding out he is the Anti-Christ.
He did not go "pro-Mosque....he stated a fact...that no matter whether the builders are Muslim, Christian, Catholic, or Devil Worshipers, they have a right to build their church wherever they want.......however the public reaction (his "no comment" on the wisdom of such a move) was also valid....he and most other people knew it would "not go down well" in the public/non-Muslim arena..
I don't care, As long as he's a good person... and doesn't include religious morality..
I have heard this debate over and over. I am sure there is a FOXNews person somewhere who is stoking up the coals with the Republican Party and those people who sign up to the Republican rhetoric that our President is not a Christian and therefore they believe it. I have received all sorts of email from retired individuals who live in gated communities in Florida who pass along this information like "Obama declares he is a Muslim" or "Obama is going to turn the US from a Christian Country to a Muslim Country" or "Obama put his hand on the Koran and not the BIble" or the most recent that the administration stopped a fly over by the Blue Angels at some Christian Rally in Idaho which ultimately proves Obama is taking away our Christian identity. Give it a rest. First off it doesn't matter what religion someone is if they win the presidency. They need to be qualified to do the job based on intelligence not on religious beliefs. George W. Bush was clueless, had no inclination of what was going on and was just a waste of taxpayers money for 8 years. Now, Barack Obama is a very smart man. I believe he has too much on his plate. But look at what he has accomplished so far...much. Why isn't the Democratic party shouting that fact from the highest levels. Madam Pelosi I wouldl ike to see disappear with George Bush on an island somewhere. Barack Obama is doing a fine job. I wish the RIGHT would remember that more and more the United States of America is becoming less WHITE and more COLORFUL and more diverse whether it be religious or ethnic. I love it! I embrace it. AND NO – I AM NOT A LIBERAL – AND NO – I AM NOT A CONSERVATIVE.....I am honest, I vasilate. I can't be any one thing on every subject. I applaude President Obama for his remarks on the Isalmic Center / Mosque near (two blocks away) from ground zero. Many Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindi, Agnostics, Aetheists and others died on 9/11. Let us not forget that this country was founded on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM TO ALL!!! Not to a select few who think that American Exceptionalism (God Clandestined America to bring the Gospel to the world) is the right way. Sorry, we have too many individuals who call their home America and Are Note White, Are Not Christian and are still nonetheless Patriotic and Loving Americans. To all those people on the RIGHT – Stop living in Fear and Building walls around yourself. You are a barnacale and the ship of progress that is anchoring us in one spot and not able to move forward. PS: I wish the Democratic Party would get a Spine and start debunking some of the rumors coming from the Republican Party. Thank you for reading this far.
Would that be because 1 in 5 Americans is retarded????
Cheers
@ David B
You are right, I did vote for Obama because he was the only Black candidate. But I didnt know all of the facts about him worshiping with the racist priest when he was a child
I think the President is a great man and I believe he is a christian. He probably has some knowledge of Islam as his father is reported to follow that faith. Either way religion is not what makes a great president.
Muslims are like neopolitan ice cream. We have chocolate Muslims, vanilla Muslims, and strawberry Muslims (watch out for those!!!).
Funny....when folks elected Obama, they were called "enlightened". Now that many of the same folks are opposing him, they are right wing Christians, thugs, Nazis, etc....
Liberal definition of consensus....when you agree with them.
The majority opposes Obama's ideology.
Obama has made the intentions of the left clear to all....
They will not be in power for many years thanks to him.
November starts the healing....
I'm sorry Joe, but I'll take articulate over idiot any day and twice on Sundays. Also I think you are quite mistaken about GWB. Nothing he said made sense. Don't you remember all those Bushisms? They made a calendar! Just because you believe the american people are illiterate doesn't mean we have to have a president who is illiterate also. GW Bush made it ok to not read the papers or make sense when you speak or make up words that don't exist. I'm glad he's gone. And I'll bet you every english teacher is glad he's gone too.
First, who cares if he is Muslim? Religion should not matter. Consequently, Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, so again, who cares? I think we should spend less time worrying about where he came from and what he believes in, and concentrate on what he has been able to accomplish and not accomplish - like every other president before him, ups and downs.
Second, it's a community center with a prayer room. It's to enrich the community and provide a safe place for families to learn and play. Even if it was a full blown mosque, though, we have the right to exercise our religion in peace, regardless of where we do it. Is it disrespectful to Ground Zero and the memories of those lost on September 11? No. Do you think those who died that day would care if a mosque was built a few blocks away? No. Do you think they would prefer peace to be the end result of what happened and not war? Yes. Stop perpetuating hate and do what Christians say they do every day: promote tolerance and love.
Obama has been clear in everything he has said on the matter of the mosque. It's just sad that most Americans have the reading level of a fourth grader and can't comprehend that he stands by the constitution. I love my country, but sometimes I am ashamed of it.
"What a huppla in reporting. Why not do a reader survey like CNN does all the time on other subjects?? I bet they would find out that more like 35-40% of all Americans think our president is a Muslim."
Robert, I really do hope you are joking to get a rise out of people. The only way they could poll 40% of Americans into believing Obama is Muslim is if the conducted the survey at the next tea party. And if I know you as well as I think, you will strap your velcro shoes on and march your way there to be first in line!
I'd say one in 5 isn't bad considering that 2.5 in 5 are nearly too stupid to be alive. And most of them a republicans? Shocker.
Thats not bad considering 2.5 in 5 have smaller brains than a squirrel. And most of those are republicans? Shocker.
Silly miss informed Americans
Brian,
I believe he was thinking that the US is a nation of laws founded on the principles of inalienable rights that apply to everyone, not just to people the majority like and that, as President, he swore an oath to uphold those laws even if it is not popular. If we as a country decide we can dispense with first amendment protections when they are uncomfortable for us, then we have rendered the Constitution and Bill of Rights meaningless. It is unlikely the Founding Fathers felt the need to spell out these rights just for people and religious groups we like. It was done exactly for situations like this (and Jefferson, in his autobiography references debates where the FFs specifically discussed the 'followers of Mohammed' so they were well aware of and meant to protect Muslim rights, as well), where the rights of an unpopular minority are being jeopardized by mob mentality. The stunning thing is not that the President came out in (ambivalent) support of the Constitution, but that so many other elected leaders who also swore an oath to defend it have tucked their tails between their legs like cowards because of it being an election year. This is what shredding or 'walking all over' the Constitution actually looks like–ignoring it in word and spirit because enforcing it would be unpopular in a tough election cycle.
Is this really about a mosque? enough has been said but this is not about building a mosque, this should be about getting our priorities straight as a nation. It is divisive to start debating religious believes. We have a choice, a) we continue to debate for different religious believes or b) we wake up and insist on getting our priorities straight and focus on moving America forward. Lets unite on one goal: keeping America the superpower debt free. There is no country on earth like America and there will be none like it. If it did not exist, it would have been invented. We can debate all we want but while we are consumed by the debate, China's economy is getting stronger and stronger. Isn't about time we forge ahead. I dare those who genuinely care about America to turn this debate to America's real priorities.
LoL..yea but 1 in 5 Americans are dumb-asses
who cares what religion. The US was found for religious freedome...and most people don't practice religion. Who's voting based on religion? Leave the religion be. Build a mosque, legalize it and chill–SUPER CHILL.
@Chuck (who said): 1 in 5 think he's Muslim? I guess that's about right... 2 in 5 are functioally illiterate...
AND SPELLED FUNCTIONALLY WRONG....HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
4 in 5 Americans think little dick Cheney is a terrible hunter & Sarah O'Palin is a quitter.
Why you people always waste time on things that doesn't matter and doesn't help anyone and do not help the nation or world, why dont you think about something that will help the nation or help the people who are unemployed. what matters if obama is muslim or christian.
Um, maybe it's me, but doesn't the headline of this story indicate that almost two times as many people believe that Obama is Christian as opposed to Muslim.
Maybe if the headline were worded differently, the dumb people out there wouldn't feel that this is vindication of their beliefs, instead of clearly showing that most people DO NOT believe he's muslim!
I really do hate to talk about people, but doesn't it seem that Republicans take advantage of people that aren't that sharp? How else could they get so many people to actually vote against what's in their best interest?
Throw around words like higher taxes and people will actually vote against health care reform and the such, without actually how it works. Health ca
Hmmmm I wonder why.... LOL this guy waffles at the slightest wind, took forever to find a church after his America hating, hate crime loving, Racist minister was called out. I belive most Americas are really begining to wonder about this guys. Starting to see him for what he really is. His wife told us how they view America, now the American public is realizing it is all true....
@SM: You must be one of the millions of sheep. The President has most certainly supported the National Day of Prayer (even supporting it and other religious issues AGAINST the Pentagon.) Where have you been?? Stop listening to Faux News and use your own brain for once.
The interesting this is that while many people here tout Obama as a "constructionalist" seperationalist (church and state, even though its not in the consitution, but in a letter T.Jefferson wrote) they neglect the fact that the American Tax payers are footing the bill for the Imam who is supporting this Mosque to do a "goodwill" tour as an envoy to the Muslim world, that is definitely crossing the non-existent line between church and state..
I don't think he is a practicing Muslim but I do think he is catering to the Muslims MORE than any other religion in this country. Consider, when he went to Notre Dame, they insisted on covering up all the Christian symbols. His decision to support the mosque center in NYC is a prime example. This isn't just a little mosque but a huge center meant to attract thousands of Muslims to the very place where terrorists killed in the name of Islam. If Muslims or Obama had respect for 9-11 victims, they would never build even remotely close to that location. That is IN YOUR FACE and they know it.
The 1 in 5 were tea party members.
I just don't get why this country continues to be so uptight? We are supposed to be a progressive nation and we concern ourselves with what religion the President might or might not be? Really? Why not concern ourselves with how we manage our own lives? How we in our every day can be more tolerant and understanding? Why not focus more on working together regardless of race, religion or political party? In case everyone has missed it, focusing only on our differences has never worked before so why do we continue to do it? I don't care if President Obama is Muslim, Hindu, or Christian...let him do his job. On the aspect of him supporting the Mosque, I think in a country where Freedom of Religion (not just Freedom of Christianity) nobody in their right mind can prevent them from building a mosque. Did we forget, we are a capitalistic nation...money talks. They bought the area, there is nothing we can do to prevent it. I like all other Americans, still feel the disbelief of what happened to our innocent fellow Americans that lost their lives needlessly. But we need to learn to be more tolerant and open. Let's focus on the aspects that will actually cause our country to fall–the economy, the cost of the war and the cost of lives of our soldiers. Why not focus on the fact that as great as the US is supposed to be, we have an education system that ranks 18th in the world? My point–we've got bigger issues. Get over religion as the ruling factor for policy–its the 21st Century.
The 1 in 5 that believe our President is a Muslim are either Republican, a Tea Party member or a Birther. In the event anyone that is a Democrat and believes this garbage is simply that, SIMPLE Minded.
Lets say that President Obama is a Muslim, so what? All the controversy about a mosque being built in the Ground Zero area is just another negative issue that the Republicans are feeding on. Why are they not complaining about the seedy businesses that surround Ground Zero, yet they now want to ignore there sacred stance on the Constitution regarding a place of worship???
I simply do not get these people. If as much effort on the part of the Republican party had been put into working with the Democrats and President Obama as they have put into these past two years of blocking anything and everything to make our economy better, American lives better, we would most likely be out of this recession, they got us into in the first place.
One last comment, why in the world would anyone vote for a Republican candidate after 8 years of disaster under their rule?
This is about POWER, not the interest of the American people.....
Regardless of what our President is ...he is absolutely right about the Mosque and the treatment of Muslim religion.. another nut case like Bush in these critical time would eventually lead us to WW3.
Dude, it's not a Mosque...
Brian, Why on earth do you describe the President's position as Pro Mosque? Actually there is no difference between his position and the tea parties position. The only difference is the spin put on it by the source you get your news from.
Here is a trascript from Matt Lauer interviewing tea partier Dick Armey:
LAUER: When, when you talk about this particular group, though, this, this group has been in lower Manhattan for years and years. They were there before 9/11. So because of 9/11, do they have to move further away? Do they have to go elsewhere?
ARMEY: No, there's an old saying, that because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. And I would again take this group back to their own stated purposes for the mosque. What do they hope to achieve with it? Which is greater cross cultural understandings. If that is the case, then let them be responsive to the concerns that are being raised and these concerns are legitimate heartfelt concerns. And the gracious thing to do becomes the right thing to do. And the right thing to do is to say, "I'm going to be deferential to your strong feelings because my greater cause, which I stated at the outset of this debate, will be better served by my being that generously responsive to you.
So you see, the question is not SHOULD they build the mosque at Ground Zero – it is can we legally prevent them from doing because of their religious views alone. EVERYONE agrees the answer is no. Everyone also agrees it isn't wise for them to do it anyway – but there is no legal grounds to prevent them from doing it. This is EXACTLY Obama's position as well and is 100% the right call so please follow the issue more closely.
Maybe because he refused to acknowledge National Day of Prayer but did acknowledge Ramadan? Maybe because of his stance against Israel? Maybe because he supports a mosque at Ground Zero ? Maybe because he was linked to NASA chief's comments on reaching out to Muslims? Maybe because he said America is not a Christian country? The AVERAGE American is going to be swayed by his actions and comments. If he is not Muslim he is definitely sympathetic and bias to Islam. Now Pelosi wants to find out who is funding and supporting the campaign against a the mosque being built?
Never in a million years would I have thought our wonderful country would be going down this dangerous path. Nancy you can put my name on your list! Any commnets from the Right and mainstream America? There's plenty from the radical or maybe just naive left!
It just goes to show; most people are idiots.
These comments are hilarious. The bottom line is that this is an irrelevant question that does not deserve an answer nor the time. Whaaa, If I'm not like you than I am the enemy? Is that what America was all about in 1776? What is he going to do next, yell "Allah Akbar" and all the muslims in the US are going to take over? Ridiculous..This is just more fodder to make Americans more divisive than ever. If you ban the Muslim religion, you will make our forefather roll over in their graves. And Jesus is not American, he is Middle Eastern...
I like what Ben said.
It's a deliberate provocation of the American people (intended as an abuse of the privilege of religious freedom) for some contingent of Moslems to build a Mosque anywhere near Ground Zero. It's a disgusting attempt to insult and rile Americans by trampling all over our sense of right and wrong. For that matter, why don't they just go build a statue featuring an exploding jet plane to honor those who sacrificed their lives "for the glory of Allah". It's anti-American as have been many of Obama's priorities and he has exhibited a blatant need to be in league with people like this since he kicked off his term in office with the freeing of terrorists in Guantanamo. He has a Moslem name. Some faction in the press seems to be hiding the truth that perhaps this guy's sole purpose in office is to complete the undoing of America, which was set in motion nearly 40 years ago, and accelerated under the regime of "W".
Course he's a muslim, He was in a muslim school and both his parents were communists who left him in care of his grandmother who put him in a school who taught communism. Why doe's he back the muslim church but won't let the greeks rebuild there church which was destroyed on 9-11. You liberals need to find the truth before you say anything. I'm so sick of your wanting entitlements for everything. Grow up and take responsibility for your life. I;m tired of paying for your whinning asses.
One in five say he's a Muslim, the other four say he's an incompetent president.
Don Brown,
You must truly be an Obama lover. You don't care that you've been lied to? No doubt about it, he was raised a Muslim and sure he is a Muslim. If it quaks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it must be a duck.
Why in the world would anyone care if he's a Muslim or Christian? It doesn't matter and if you think it matters, you've lost touch with reality. The prominance of religion in the U.S. is fading anyway. State's will begin allowing gays to marry. Good for them! Take that radical christians!
Honestly, this is a complete slap in the face to all of the families who lost some one in the 9/11 attacks. Radical Muslims flew planes into the Trade Towers, not terrorists; although they are terrorists, they are also radical Muslims. The familis might as well just kill a loved one and hang there body in front of their house. This is what Obama is implementing. Yes, Obama is a Muslim. He did not attend the national Day of Prayer, but a few days later had some elders from Islam come in and he prayed. This mosque should not be built, but a memorial to those who lost their lives.
So what if he is a muslim? He isn't, but if he were, would anyone honestly feel differently about him? There are over 5 million Muslims living in the US. Is anyone really afraid of them?
Well it certainly looks like a number of the "1 in 5" have made it here. Everyone does know that the mosque in question can't even be seen from ground zero right? Furthermore, there are a few churches that are CLOSER to ground zero than the mosque in question.
As far as people arguing that this is a slap in the face to those who died in 9/11, I feel that they are blowing this way out of proportion. Yes it is hallowed ground but they aren't even building it ON ground zero. It is being built about three blocks away. I swear its like Americans feel that the Muslims are doing this just to piss on our hallowed ground and train terrorists under our noses. Have we really become a fear-mongering nation bent on focusing out hatred wherever is most conveinent?
While the American media outlets are partly to blame for this hatred toward the Mosque being built, I feel that the public who buys into this irrational fear-mongering is also at fault. Stop watching Fox News. Stop with the Tea Party fiasco. Try to develop your own opinions instead of using what is spoon-fed to you via many media outlets. Feel free to disagree with my opinions but please do so after you have taken a step back and looked at the bigger picture (outside of Fox News).
It is not a coincidence that 1 in 5 Americans have either very low IQ or are totally ignorant. On the flip side, 4 in 6 of those who claim to be "Christians” do not actually practice what the bible teaches and have no Holy Spirit at all and therefore could not be labeled as Christians. So, 20% of Americans are idiots whereas 65% are fake-believers or non-believers. It makes me laugh when this same barking dogs speak about religion and condemn and question other beliefs. Clean yourself first and the rest will be taken care of by the Lord.
I find it amusing and sad that people are saying "only in America," would this be a contentious issue. Amusing and sad because it is true. In every country where this socalled "peace-loving Islam" is the overwhelming majority faith, other religions / faiths are outlawed, punished, discriminated against, etc. Here's my offer: The Muslims should be allowed to build their mosque on the doorstep of Ground Zero as soon as they allow Christians and Jews to build a church and synagogue right in the center of Mecca. Then we could all believe that we all have each other's best interests at heart. Do you think that is going to happen? NO! The Muslim religion is itself intolerant. Christians tend to be more open to each person choosing their own faith because they beleive that God gives every person "free will" to respond to His love and truth in the way they choose. The Muslim faith was not created in peace – just google the history of Islam. And religious freedom doesn't exist today in Islamic-dominated countries. And yet we can believe that the Muslims want to build their mosque to support peace and understanding. Why did they build a mosque and the Dome of the Rock on its site in Jerusalem? Because it was historically understood to be the site of the first Jewish temple built to God by Solomon in his day. The facts are out there for all to see, if you will just open your eyes and look.
Antik, Your mental.
Most of the people against the President are politically motivated, or Religiously against Islam and want to connect Obama to
Islam to spread fear and hatred amongs the ignorants. Nobody stops for a second and asks why this attack against Islam growing when we are at a point we could bring peace to the world? It is a preparation for WW3. Those bible preachers think that it is time for war between Israel and Muslims not a time for peace as Iran is, as they claim, getting closer to a nuclear weapon. So, they are funding all these attacks against Islam and Muslims to rally the people with Israel when it attacks Iran and cause WW3. They justify the possible killing of millions in-order to live their "dream" of the second coming of Jesus.
May God have mercy on all of us.
ha ha! that is hilarious! ramadan roadtrip begins with 1 in 5 americans believe that the president is muslim, racist, gay and satan himself....its too much!!!
I think it is preposterous for anyone to even question what a President's religion should be. Many people thought John F. Kennedy was going to have our country answered to only the Pope because he was Catholic. Obama's religious affiliation – may it be Christian or Muslim – should not be an issue. His backing of the mosque means that he takes freedom of religion and assembly very seriously. As someone who lives in NY, the mosque has every right to be there. Anybody else who disagrees, it would come out of ignorance and lack of respect for other religions.
Why does it matter what religion he is? I honestly think it is ridiculous that this is even a debate, and even more ridiculous that the White House need to defend it. The only thing they should say is "So. So what if he is."
can we say OBAMA BINLADEN!! I knew of his muslim or islamic roots when he was running for president. Thank God I DID NOT vote for him.
What a bunch of paranoid and perverted posts. What a disappointment to those who look up to USA for wisdom and leadership ? Fear of Islam is because of lack of knowledge about Islam. All religions can be misinterpreted into religions of violence. Obama is a good Christian. A good Christian is a wise Christian. So is a good Jew a noble person. So are other religions and people. No religion condones violence ! Only the ignorant thinks so.
'Obama canceled the national day of prayer in the white house but he invites muslims for a dinner to celebrate the start of ramadan'
Ok let gets this nonsense sorted.
Firstly, the first president to ever actually do anything official for the day of prayer was GW, so its not exactly been a long grand tradition of observing it in the white house.
Secondly, Obama issued a statement in total support of the day of prayer when it was ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional. Obama came out and said he disagreed with the judge and totally supported the day and said it would remain the national day of prayer.
Thirdly, talking of GW, he was the president that also started the tradition of hosting a ramadan dinner at the white house. There are several such 'religious observation' events hosted at the white house every year. Obama himself presided over a jewish seder dinner at the white house a few months back, so I guess that makes him jewish now as well huh?
President Obama also hosted the very first Passover Seder in the White House. Is he Jewish too? I thought that America was founded by Europeans fleeing religious intolerance. He has guts to TRY to show sensitivity to different religions that make up our so called melting pot. Regarding Obama bowing to the Saudi prince, Bush did that AND called him Your Majesty. Obama was raised by his mother and grandparents. Is this when he was "raised Muslim"? His father was absent from his life. I believe that President Obama spent a week or two with him when he was ten years old.
We should be happy that our troops are finally coming home from Iraq after 7 years, but I guess this is more important.
CNN needs to research the Muslim Religion. If you are born to a Muslim parent, the religion states you are always a Muslim. He may Practice Christianity but according to the Muslim religion He will always be a Muslim. Do your research!
IS he Christian? Is he Muslim? Is he Black? Is he White? Does his wife care about this country? If I could I'd beg the man not to run again. It was a mistake America ! you are not as progressive as you thought you could be. we have not come as far as we'd hoped!. History will show he cared, tried, and was hated for it. Please Mr. Obama don't run again. Iam a black American, a Patriot, and I am so very disappointedin our country. God Bles the United States Of America, and help us to be better.
Obama is not the concern but whoever is selling the land at ground zero for the building of the islamic center.
If we were a Christian nation, then we, as a nation, wouldn't have allowed the banning of prayer in schools, aborting of thousands of babies, prohibiting the display of the ten commandments, prohibiting prayer before atheletic events, promotion of slavery, the firing of federal employees for saying have a blessed day. Honoring God has long since been gone before Obama and God denies those who deny Him.
I don't care if he is a Zoaroastrain, the man is not competent to be president.
I think that all Muslims should probably be collected up and put in internment camps. We really don't know which ones are with us and which ones are with the terrorists. I mean anyone of them could be the next Timothy McVeigh.
It is a fact that Obama's real father was a muslim and his stepfather was a muslim living in the one of the most populated muslim countries in the world. As a muslim father it is your duty to teach your children the muslim religion and have them follow the muslim religion. Obama might say he is not a muslim now, but I guarantee he was brought up as a muslim. That's a fact no one can dispute..
The fact that Obama's real father was a muslim and his stepfather was a muslim living in the one of the most populated muslim countries in the world. As a muslim father it is your duty to teach your children the muslim religion and have them follow the muslim religion. Obama might say he is not a muslim now, but I guarantee he was brought up as a muslim. That's a fact no one can dispute..
i live in finland .i am very very proamerican. but now it seems there are lots of americans who are not cleaver.
20%, that is about the same percentage of people that don't like ice cream, or about the same percentage of people that didn't think Mother Teresa was doing good deeds, or about the same percentage of people that think Sarah Palin is mature, intelligent, and competent (probably the same 20% of retards). Not bad, I think.
Pres barack Obama is our president and leader. He is an American, color should not matter. Christians do not pass judgement on others Romans 2:1;everyone must obey State Authorities, because no authority exists without God's permission Romans 13:1. the bible is a really good read and will answer this issue for you-Give it a try sometimes. Anyway aren't there more important and pressing issues we should be concerned with:such as; Why our schools are in such turmoil, corporate american and finances, border issues, murders and racism; just to name a few. How about we debate on getting prayer back into our schools.
Much love to all
I just gotta say that if Obama were a Muslim, dontcha think that somewhere, possibly in his hometown, there would at least be a mosque full of Muslims who would've gone apes&^t with support and public enthusiasm for him when he became President. Or maybe just one, teeny, weeny, Insh'allah from a teenaged fellow Muslim too enthusiastic to follow Muslim Omerta...unless, of course, he's really a life-long Jihadist sleeper agent...Come on, Americans. Remember Ben Franklin's rule about keeping a secret. Of course, Poor Richard was a Freemason and everyone knows that they worshipped the Great Pumpkin and are secretly in control of everything with the Illuminati as enforcers.
All the while I was only happy he was human. His personal faith was not an issue.
All this is a ploy to deflect attention from the Troops coming back. What a shameless bunch of bureaucrats who are behind all misinformation and disinformation. How many NON MUSLIMS does one want to list who are Criminals ? Does that make their Religion responsible ?
Corrupt Politicians and Bureaucrats would do anything to gain BROWNIE POINTS.
Some of the Republicans and their Cronies sound much like the TALIBANS of USA.
Hmm ! I find it amazing how many of you nut jobs are out there sad but true
President Obama is a Christian because he proclaimed that he is. Who are these haters who refuse to believe him and can't see that he shows his Chirsitanity in his policies and how he lives his life? Certainly not actual Christians. Do they also refuse to believe other people who say that they have accepted Christ as their personal savior? Do they deny the holy spirit?
["It may be time for them (the White House) to be a little more public about what the president does to be an active Christian," he said.]
Maybe he should bomb Iran. Isn't that what a good Christian would do?
It's time for the world to grow up and get rid of religion. We are learned and mature enough to realize that religion is nothing more than a way for the few to control the many. Fight this future and we can believe in each other. Only then can we survive
All officially atheist nations have always been oppressive and engaged in mass murder. The old Soviet Union, China, Cuba, ect. Sorry, studies show religious people are more charitable, more mentally stable, and commit suicide less often. Atheism seems to be detrimental to individuals and to society.
BULLSH@$ . You don't have any proof. Stalin: Atheist, Hittler: Christian first background, then look in the Mein kampf where there are numerous references to God, Mao: created his own religion where he was a God. What studies show that? Christiancreationistunited.com? There have been studies that show that atheist are more intelligent.
Referencing God and following God are profoundly different. Hitler may have referenced God, but he definitely did not follow God. A quick read in Matthew 7:13-14 readily shows the masses are not following God. The masses are comprised largely of people who look out and see someone or something that 'appears' right to them, and then follow after it. That is not worship or allegiance to God, but worship and allegiance to "what is right in your own eyes." {See Proverbs 14:12} I do not say this to make fun of or condemn anyone, but to provoke thought. Obedience to God first requires that you have God's instruction. Without God's instruction, we cannot follow his instruction. Faith is following God's instructions because you trust his to be capable and honest to uphold his word. (Hebrews 11:6; Romans 10:16-17)
There are countless thousands of religions formulated by man as man saw fit; ever morphing to fit man's changing views and life experiences, but God is the same always. He formed a plan in the beginning and has throughout time been active bringing it to fruition. In former days he gave instruction directly to man through patriarchs (Adam, Abraham, Isaac, etc.) and prophets (Moses, Isaiah, Elijah, John the Baptist, etc.), but fulfilled his eternal plan for man in these last days by his own son (himself in the flesh – John 1:1-14) God has always required man to obey him in order to be please him and be blessed with spiritual blessings. Earthly blessing are afforded to all regardless of one's obedience to God, (Matthew 5:45) but all spiritual blessing found in fellowship with him. (Ephesians 1:3; 1 John 1:5-10)
Many are turned away from God by such false religions that serve to no spiritual profit in God. (Matthew 15:8-9; Matthew 7:21-23; Luke 6:46)
God is not flawed, his message is not flawed, but man is and thereby any religion crafted of man, is and always will be flawed and incapable of leading man in right paths. (Matthew 15:14)
If you want to find God's truth, here is some of his words to help... 2 Timothy 2:15; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; John 8:31-32; 2 Peter 1:3; Psalm 119:11; Psalm 119:105; Hebrews 11:1; Hebrews 11:6; Romans 10:16-17; Romans 6:17-18; John 12:48; Galatians 1:6-10; 1 John 1:3-6
Problem is, have you never met anyone calling themselves a Christian admit that they weren't actually following God? Every Christian believes they are following God, and many also believe that they are in the minority of people calling themselves Christians who do. Even though there is a very wide range of beliefs within the one religion if the 2 billion odd folks out there calling themselves Christians isn't it fair to say that most of them are sincere in their efforts and have a right to call themselves by that label? If not, then you have got to admit that there is a lot of delusion going on within Christendom, and if that's the case how can you be so sure that you are within the "correct" camp when everyone thinks they are?
I dont much care about Chistians or Muslims however I dont know many Christian Suicide Bombers.
What is Obama to do now? The only thing that will please his religious critics is a full declaration of his Christian faith, but would that be enough? It will have to be the "correct", capital "C" Christian faith to please his critics, and he better go to church every day, lead prayers before every press conference, and say hallelujah at the end of most of his sentences too. Basically, his critics want him to wear his faith even more strongly than Bush. They want every president to do that. He might want to burn a couple of Qur'ans, I'm sorry, Korans on the White House lawn just to be sure. That might satisfy his faith critics. Then all he has to work on is completely reversing his politics and lightening his complexion, and he will be a president that the other half of the country might accept. The half that presently accepts him, however ...
I completely agree. Remember those atheist crusades, the atheist Inquisition, the atheist witch trials in Salem MA? And right now those atheists are at it again with their jihad. Religious people are much more rational and compassionate when it comes to how they treat their fellow man.
i think if you check it was bible thumpers who were burning the witches.An atheist would no thave cared one way or another.
First, "Bible thumpers" is a modern colloquialism that is not applicable to preachers of colonial Massachusetts. Second, the
"witch trials" to which you allude were conducted by government magistrates and judges - 'not' Christian preachers or ministers. Get your facts straight or don't post. Twit.
First, "Bible thumpers" is a modern colloquialism that is not applicable to preachers of colonial Massachusetts. Second, the
"witch trials" to which you allude were conducted by government magistrates and judges – 'not' Christian preachers or ministers. Get your facts straight or don't post. Twit.
you can try to blame the world's woes and the modern destruction of earth on religion, but it doesn't stick, because people that claim to be one religion and do something totally against the tenants of that religion aren't actually practicers of that religion, religion has killed millions of people. But science in the hands of athiests who believe in eugenics and evolution has killed billions, and religion may have killed a lot of people, but science has brought us to the brink of destroying the world.
Religion is not the source of the world's woes, a society having no moral foundation is the source of the world's woes.
Your great big beautiful 'god' is a petty, violent, vengeful sadist.
you'll eat those words soon
My God is loving, forgiving, and He sent His Son so that we may have a chance for eternal life. My prayer for you is that you will experience my God as He is the only way.
@J.T - Who is trying to blame everything on religion? Nobody that I can see. Why defend religion like a tard?
You are bent over so far trying to justify your zombie masters that I'll bet you can feel your wallet pressing against the back of your head. You are scrotal.
WTF are you talking about?
"scientists that believe in Eugenics"
I dont even know what to say to that, its obviously born out of some irrational fear of...science?
Anyway, your point about science has no basis, because while science has contributed to the development of horrific weapons, there has never been a war in the name of science. No one has ever declared war because someone believed in relativity instead of Newtonian physics.
Oh Robert, you are woefully misinformed. There is actually a correlation between atheism and intelligence (there was a CNN article about that a while back), compassion (i.e. liberalism, or an interest in the greatest happiness among the greatest number of citizens), and happiness. Your statement that atheists are more suicidal is an outright fabrication. I am an atheist and could not be happier. I also donate to several charities, volunteer in my community, and am an extremely compassionate person. You know very little about atheism. Perhaps you should do some research, check out a few atheist websites and find out what we believe and what we stand for, before you go making generalizations about an entire section of society.
Jenni
This might cuase conflict with his "blind" faith and therefore will never happen.
HA HA HA HA HA, guess you never heard of every holy way in history? Pretty sure Hiltler considered himself religious!! Oh, and the people who crashed into the Twin Towers were fiercly religious.... You are an idiot!
What's wrong with other religions? And than what? We end up with brainwashed people like you? Maybe we just should let Islam pay for all the security that's needed to protect the freedom of their religion. Everytime they blow up something, their mosques pay or for all the billion $ security that's needed to protect others from being hurt by Islam, mosques pay. I think that's much more effective. They will be more focussed on what's happening in their society and think twice before saying something Jihad on our asses.
and its time you realize that you are not as smart as you think you are.
Let's keep it real. They blasted his former pastor. I mean he had to leave his church. And it wasn't like he had been their a few days. All any rational person has to do is follow the money. Hence, the donations to his church!! Therefore, that one in five who thinks he's not a Christine must be mentally impaired and not working with a full deck!!
Was this the same church where the pastor exhorted his congregation to god**** America less than a week after the 9/11 attacks?
I wish there was a "like" button in this story's comments section!
and a "dislike" button
i wish there was a like button for this comments section too
You pretty much nailed it. Religion is the Albatross around our necks.
Believers can't be changed, only eliminated. Two ways to do it – kill them now or wait until they die of natural death. Only young people can grow up without religion. We need to start educating our young people now!
sorry Ju jub, religion has done far more for the hurting people in the world than science has. As science becomes the new religion, its benefits are accesible to the 1st world and the 3rd world is the testing grounds and "labs" for new warfare tech, drugs and other stuff that the Pharms, the Banks, and the Military Industrial Complex all who worship the science god for what it has given them, money. and thats the trick. Science only benefits people in that is secondary to the profit. Religion and religious people have killed each other, but science, based on man's evil nature could easily destroy all life on earth, religion alone could never do that...
ty darwin jr.
The Muslims are doing their very best to wipe out all religion. Except theirs, of course.
Yes it is astounding that the majority of christians in the US are mired in 16th century thought and not too far ahead of the muslim faith.
But I don't believe in YOU. So, now what?
Man's religion is vain, but allegiance to the God who created all things is not about controlling others. True religion (obedience to God) is about keeping oneself in line with God's pattern for us, and treating others as we would want to be treated. Neither of which involves ruling over another.
If you are apart of a religion that tries to exercise dominion over you or hold you accountable by force to man's teachings, you have not yet found God. God's followers first learn of God, obey God, and then teach others who have interest in God, but never go about to condemn anyone. God condemns of accepts based on his word. Our obligation to fellow man regarding obedience to God is to do so ourselves and then tell others what God has taught. We, as individuals, are not enforcers or issuers of punishment upon those who do not comply with God, vengeance is God's. He has ordained the various powers (authorities) on earth to exercise some earthly justice, but everything else is by his hand when we all stand before him in the last day.
Religion is not worthless when adherent to God's decree and exercised as he has decreed, but man, like most everything else, has and always will distort and abuse such to prey upon the unlearned. (Matthew 23:4-5; Galatians 1:6-10; John 12:48)
I like how in the past conservatives had to prove their accusations, not they expect us to disprove them. Politics has become the enquirer.
In slightly different light, does he have to be an "active" anything at all? This business of religion should not be the focus for being in the job of The President of the USA. We already have enough and more indicators out there why this focus can be destructive.
You got that right. Bush was a card-carrying evangelical Christian and as a direct consequence of it, we got some disastrous policies implemented under his watch. Faith-based initiatives, or Compassionate conservatism, anyone?
@CSnord
Well said...
Peace....
I hope that he is an agnostic or an atheist. Remember separation of church/state...? His job is to help run our government and country.....Politics not religion.
George W.... was a card carrying christian.... and he was terrible.
It doesn't matter what religion he is or isn't.
As for the 1 in 5 americans that believe he is a muslim... so what.... as for the 1 in 3 americans that believe he is christian....so what....
Peace........
I certainly shouldn't matter. Muslims are good people and just because he is Christian doesn't make him a better person. Hitler and Mussolini were Christian... whatever. The important point is that Republicans and conservatives are trying to smear Muslims and Democrats and the president and are completely shameless in the way they do it. It doesn't matter to Newt that we are polarizing Americans and stoking hate for our fellow Muslims here in the US and those abroad. These people have no scruples. Politicians are a slippery bunch but these Republicans really scare me in terms of what they can do.
@nycslicker
You got that brother...... they scare the sh!+ out of me too......
All in the name of religion it seems.....
Peace....
Look, Jesus can have Barack. It's all good, but in return, you guys gotta take the crazy Iyatolah off my hands too! And his bit^h Ahkmenidinijad! I hate those guys so much I cant spell their names even though they pray to me five times daily.
And pease2all – you better start smoking some major weed if you are going to be talking like that. Otherwise your'e just weird.
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian – a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
You're right that not all Christians are good and not all Muslims are bad (or good). Other than that, you're wrong in three main ways:
1) It does matter - not what his religion is, but if he lied about it to get elected
2) No one is trying to smear Muslims, Democrats, and/or the President - they all come up with many ways to smear themselves. For most of the Muslims it's not they're fault that some other Muslim (10K miles away) decides it's a great plan to cut off a girl's nose and ear or stone a pregnant widow. Democrats could decry some of the sleazy things they're fellows do (i.e. Rangel) instead of toasting him on his birthday.
3) The main polarizing doesn't come from Republicans - it comes from liberals who leap to labelling their opponents as 'nazis', 'racists', 'warmonger', 'heartless', etc whenever someone says anything they don't agree with - instead of engaging in intelligent dialogue.
hopefully he is not as christian as bush!
Funny it was Obama that didn't turn his back on the recently unemployed Americans, while at the same time so called followers of Jesus Christ. Is that what Jesus would do. One thing this President has done is been more compassionate toward the people in America than the last president. There is a BIG difference from saying one is a chrisitian and actually practicing Jesus-like ways. He is doing so many things evil according to the Bible by being Compassionate, Patient, Understanding, Leading by Example, etc.
You say 'What he is showing God is that he is a false prophet to the American people' Yet I've neverever heard him claim to be a prophet, let alone a false one. Obama's mother was an American, making Obama an American. 'Naturally born' is not defined in the US Constitution. His birth certificate was verfied by the highest member of the Republican party in Hawaii, yet he is hiding something, right?
We have something called 'freedom of religion' so when people talk about following GOD, who's GOD are we talking about. Religious freedom allows each and one of us to believe in any faith we choose, not be forced to by some right-wing Republican. 'In God We Trust' was added after the creation of this country as all references to GOD.
Hidden: He lied to Billy Graham. He claims to believe in Jesus yet he allows abortion because he swore an oath to uphold the CURRENT LAWS of the United States of America. He is not allowed to pick and choose which laws he wants to uphold. Laws get changed by Congress and has to pass US Supreme Court muster, otherwise we would be living in a facist, communist, monarchy society. Excatly what the right-wing nut cases accuse Obama of changing America into. If it were so easy W. Bush would have done it during the 8 years he was president. Ronald Regan or H.W. Bush would have done it during the 12 years they we held office.
we have had enough openly religious people destroy our country. Obama's religion shouldn't be important. We all share common morals. The only difference is what excuse your higher power gives you to bend some.
sorry, Obama has proven he has no morals.
Really? Or has a political smear campaign, abetted by huge amounts of propaganda financed by FOX and the Rep. party convinced you of this?
Who are you to judge someone's morals?
You know it isn't true because the same people blasted his pastor (remember)!! All you have to do is follow the money, as much money as they donated to their Church!! They think the American people are STUPID!!
Here's another idiot. Odd how I've been watching and reading about the same president as you have but I haven't seen anything immoral about him. You must be projecting. (Assuming you are smart enough to know what that is!)
@Russ
Even you have morals, although they might not be perfect. Perhaps he does not follow them as well as he should, like some other people I could mention...
And the Republicans are sweetness and light? Get real! George W. Bush had no morals when he set in motion a costly War that has sent over 4500 US soldiers to their deaths.
Obama was left with a shovel and a broom and was told to clean this mess up!
Yawn.....so cliche. Get a new routine.
Glad you can count. Just keep blaming BUSH that will get more DEM elected.
I wonder what in the world you mean by "no morals"?
If by no morals you mean that he would never lie to everyone to start a war for no particular reason at all and cause the deaths of 1,000s of American soldiers and 10,000s if Iraqis,
or
try to provide affordable healthcare to not only the poor, but EVERYBODY in our country, only to have it voted down time and again by the virtuous Healthcare companies via their representatives in congress. Yes, THEIR representatives, because they certainly don't represent the american people. I have a good job and make good money. God forbid anything happens that I would need to go to the hospital for. I may never recover financially.
If this is what you mean, then frankly, I wanna have no morals as well.
According to the Word of God, no. A real Christian would give his life even for their own enemies. I think you are an ignorant fool who has no idea what the Word of God says and need to wake up before you say something so damn stupid. Thank you, bye.
obviously your not familiar with Theology, Christian Theology... you know... the part where Christ is coming back as a warrior, and how we are supposed to be Christ like. But I guess that slipped your mind while you were busy trying to flip'n'spin doing the saul alinsky twist and shuffle... bye
Good, god! Another idiot!!
You might as well spend time counting stars. Most people are stupid.
Stop spouting nonsense and hatred. Who do you think you are, God's prophet? You obviously know nothing about religion or America and you are totally ignorant.
Who cares which religion Obama is involved in. I'm tired of listening to people judge him. We live in America a place where people can worship any religion that they please. Remember the land of the free, even if you are the President.
You miss the point, Moe. Whether the president is a Christian or not is of minor significance. What is significant is that he *lies* about what he believes. That's the whole point. He is a dishonest person and his misrepresentation of his religious beliefs is just one small example of that dishonety.
welcome to the world of politics geeg, you think it's just obama who is dishonest?? you should take a look at the track records of our current and previous senators and congressmen and presidents.....60% or more of their campain claims end up never happening, why? Because in america you can say one thing and do another and not give a fuck at all....and then go back to saying the same thing over and over again, just for votes.....when your job is on the line and you really wanna keep it you're probably gonna lie to get what you want
"judge not, lest ye be judged." (Matthew 7:1) - and what about weapons of mass destruction? GWB?
"Judge not, lest ye be judged." (Matthew 7:1) – and what about GWB being a Christian – weapons of mass destruction?
This is 2010. Get over yourself.
The destruction of this country is happening quickly enough without muslims helping it along – too much freedom is allowing all this deterioration. Too much alternative thinking isnt working out well at all. There is a difference between freedom and 'frilly liberties', and those liberties is what is devaluing what our parents and grandparents fought to preserve. Not this socialist world that is already being planned out and executed.
2010...yes it is. And a sad year it is...there will only be a few more before the Roman empire falls completely
Yea! Too much freedom is the problem! Damn 'Merican's and their freedoms! Take some away I say, make this a better country! ::rolling my eyes::
@IsrJablonski
Yeah I get what you are saying..... eye rolling too....
By the way... This whole article just seems rediculous...! Give it a rest already..!!! First, .... the right was claiming he is really not an american citizen..... Now it is he really is a muslim instead of a christian.
Give me a break..... I think the 1 in 5 americans that believe he is truly a muslim have failed the standard i.q. test ...haven't even met the minimum requirements. Scratch that.....I'll include the 1 in 3 americans who are convinced he is a christian too.
You have GOT to be kidding about this article....really !!!!
Peace.....
I think we're talking about people who get up in the morning, scratch their head, and keep mumbling "I just can't believe the elected HIM?!" It's been close to a year, and they're still in shock. They don't want Obama defeated, they want to go back in time and reverse his election. Lacking a time machine they dream up all kinds of ways to basically annul his presidency. Next they'll claim he an alien!
what complete nonsense. You can disagree with his policies, but Obama is not a dishonest person. I can't think of a president who is more honest. Try not to be such a child.
Yeah, you big baby! Nyyaaah!
You ARE kidding, right? Obama has lied so many times I think he has lost count of them. He might have his own beliefs that he is sincere about, but the man is absolutely one of the most dishonest presidents this country has ever seen.
You mean like telling people we're going to war over WMD's? Now how about this – excluding broken campaign promises, spell out some of the lies. The depths to which you Republicans have taken the national discourse since W got in is the root cause of why we have the deep division and mistrust between parties today. You say we're Socialists, we say you're fascists, and Karl Rove is laughing all the way to the bank. He and Dick Cheney are the two most evil figures in American politics since Joseph McCarthy, and Cheney might even top McCarthy. Rasputin is a better comparison for him.
@Pete
You shouldn't insult Rasputin by comparing him to Cheney. Rasputin lived a simple life of peace.*
"Simple life of peace?" Wasn't this about the time of the Russian/Communist revolution?
@das0522
No idea what you're trying to say.
Are you wondering if Rasputin was alive during the Russian Revolution, or are you saying that there were no people of peace during this time?
I suppose all of those Iraqui military trucks that were crossing into Seria thru the dessert late at night were carring blankies and teddy bears?
I bet you are as good at finding Iraq and Syria on the map as you are at spelling them.
@ Yvette - I bet you are as good at finding Iraq and Syria on the map as you are at spelling them.
OMG-I had no idea. For you see I have been on Mars in a cave with my fingers in my ears. So let me get this right...You are saying, politicians lie??????? HOLY F***!
Who are these people? If they would just do a little research they would see this guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing...
You have got to be kidding.....and how would you describe Nixon ('Liar') and Reagan ('Iran Counter-truth Contra')? Paragons of virtue?
Still waiting for any examples of lies... And what I mean is a proven lie. Not your idea of what you would like to be the truth.
Obviously you don't remember G.W.Bush who lied every time he moved his lips.
I couldn't agree more, Jimmy. I have been so impressed by his honesty and integrity, and am completely flabbergasted by those who say otherwise. Are they watching the same president? My guess is that they're judging him not on his actual words or actions, but by misinformation they hear either through FOX News or chain emails.
LOL. He said he was Muslim up until he thought he could possibly win the election...then he said he was Christian. Very honest and capable of telling a lie. Would not of mattered if he had been honest about it...but now we see who he sides with and it ain't you.
Stupid fool even spent 20 years going to a Christian Church just to trick you conservatives. Dang
It's hard to believe the guy spent over 20 years attending a widely acclaimed Christian Church just to trick you Conservatives!
1 in 5 Americans are unable to locate the United States on a world map.
He sat in a church for 20 years, but states he does not know what the preacher said. You're trying to use that as proof of Obama being a christian? If after 20 years, he cannot even recall the message of the preacher, how do you expect me to believe he has formed any allegiance to Christianity? Americans have not gotten dumber while Obama has been in office, he has just done more to negate his claim of being a christian.
Perhaps this is the case because many Americans put a disproportionate amount of value on personal religious beliefs. It is very likely that Obama, like almost all competent politicians, uses a facade of genuine religious conviction because, quite frankly, without appearing to be overtly religious, none of them could ever hope to be elected on their merit, skills, non-religious values, or intellect.
What on earth was President Obama thinking going pro-mosque? Did his advisors actually tell him to go “Pro Ground Zero mosque” with 90 days until the midterms when Democrats are about to get sliced up like a Hibachi Steak at Benihana? READ VERY FUNNY SATIRE. >>>>>>>>> http://www.dailygoat.com/?p=2653
yes of course his advisers are republican in drag . how else would they get all this fodder
Pro-mosque? They asked him if the law allowed someone to build a place of worship in that area on land they owned, and he said it did. Should he have lied? You silly wingnuts make me tired.
Jesus considered himself to be a Jew his entire life. His self stated mission was to "make all things new" in terms of humanity's relationship with God. This means to open up God's relationship to all people and renew the covenant. Everything from that point forward has been humans messing around with this core message for human reasons be they, power, excuses for violence (power), and greed. We perpetually lose our way and, occasionally, find our way back again.
My premise is that much of what happens in the American mega-churches these days has nothing to do with, 'Love your neighbor as yourself'. If it did, we wouldn't be having the current discussions about, Healthcare Reform, Climate Change, compassion for those less fortunate. Somehow, the teachings of Jesus have been distorted into discussions of moralism, churchianity, political power, bigotry, and postured social service. Because, we all are each others neighbors.
As to the subject of this article. Religon is a matter of personal choice and declaration. If Obama says that he is a Christian, then he's a Christian. Last I heard there isn't a genetic test for religon. And, it's, frankly, no one's business but his. I do find it extremely disturbing what so many Americans believe about Barack Obamaregarding his chosen faith and his nationality.