August 27th, 2010
12:47 AM ET

Some evangelicals on defensive over partnering with Glenn Beck, a Mormon

A handful of prominent evangelical activists are defending their decision to attend television host Glenn Beck's conservative rally in Washington this weekend after some Christians complained that evangelicals shouldn't be partnering with Beck because of his Mormon faith.

Video: Glenn Beck rally stirs controversy

"There is no need to 'de-Christianize' each other over the matter," wrote Jim Garlow, an influential California pastor, in a five-page memo this week arguing that evangelicals can attend Beck's rally and partner with the television and radio personality in good conscience.

"Glenn Beck is being used by God - mightily," Garlow wrote in the memo, which was obtained by CNN. "The left loves to slam him and do so viscerally and often with vulgarities. Glenn is not perfect... But his expose on America's sins is stellar."

Garlow - who partnered with Mormons in California to help pass Proposition 8, the state's gay marriage ban, via ballot initiative in 2008 - is one of several high profile evangelicals on the defensive about participating in Beck's rally, called Restoring Honor.

The rally, which is to be held near the Lincoln Memorial on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech, is to be headlined by Sarah Palin.

Christian critics of the event have taken specific aim at some evangelicals' participation in a prerally event Friday at the Kennedy Center called Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny.

Beck, who many evangelicals say is not a Christian because of his Mormon beliefs, says on his website that the Friday event "will help heal your soul."

"Guided by uplifting music, nationally-known religious figures from all faiths will unite to deliver messages reminiscent to those given during the struggles of America's earliest days," his site says of the event.

Brannon Howse, a conservative writer and founder of Worldview Weekend, which organizes Christian conferences, criticized evangelical participation in that event in a column this week.

"The Apostle Paul warns Christians against uniting with unbelievers in spiritual endeavors," Howse wrote. "While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck's conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck."

Much of the criticism - along with confusion about the propriety of evangelicals politically linking arms with Mormons - is less formal and more rooted among in-the-pews churchgoers than evangelical elites.

"Jesus Christ's Church has universally rejected Mormonism's Anti-Trinitarian theology and its claim that mortals may become God," David Shedlock, a contributor to the evangelical blog Caffeinated Thoughts, wrote in a post this month. "Beck asks Christian leaders to 'put differences aside,' but Beck himself daily peppers his broadcasts with Mormon distinctives because he cannot keep his beliefs to himself."

Evangelical defenses of attending the Beck rally are largely aimed at ordinary evangelicals. Garlow circulated his memo in an email titled "In case some criticize you for attending the Glenn Beck Rally – since he is a Mormon."

Many Christians say that some Mormon beliefs, including that Mormon church leaders are prophets and that the Book of Mormon is sacred scripture, are incompatible with Christianity.

Mormons, though, consider themselves Christian. The Mormon church is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Many conservative evangelical activists argue that evangelicals and Mormons should set aside theological differences to partner on moral and political issues.

"For Christians concerned about Glenn's faith, I would ask the following questions: What fruit do you see produced by Glenn," David Barton, an influential evangelical activist who is joining Beck's rally, wrote on his Facebook page recently. "Good or bad? If you judged Glenn only by the fruits he has produced, would you still hold concerns over his faith?"

"Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels," Barton, a former Republican National Committee consultant, continued. "After all, Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton openly call themselves Christians... Although these individuals have the right labels, they have the wrong fruits."

Other evangelical activists have gone further, arguing that Beck's faith isn't that different from that of mainstream Christians.

"I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,' " Garlow said in his memo, which was dated Wednesday. "He understands receiving Christ as savior."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Mormonism • Politics • Sarah Palin

soundoff (1,239 Responses)
  1. unbelievable

    How crazy do you have to be before people start questioning your sanity?

    August 27, 2010 at 2:05 am |
  2. Mr. T. Bag

    Glenn Beck is a TOOL.

    August 27, 2010 at 2:03 am |
  3. Aezel

    More people arguing over imaginary men in the sky.

    August 27, 2010 at 2:03 am |
    • Kate


      That's quite the sexist declaration to make there, where's your evidence? ๐Ÿ™‚

      August 27, 2010 at 2:06 am |
    • Natep


      August 27, 2010 at 2:12 am |
    • Ichthus

      It's better than arguing about philosophies that are limited to only the physical. I get that it is all that is "testable." So what?

      If you think your position is so amazing, why do you troll these commentaries and post snarky remarks about positions you do not hold? I would think a truly educated, expert person would have something better to do than argue with creationists and "mad, deluded people."

      August 27, 2010 at 3:00 am |
    • Jamoke


      Why are YOU trolling these articles and posting snarky comments? I can only guess.
      I don't know about anyone else, but I am disabled and have way too much time on my hands at the moment.
      Don't you have something better to do? Why are most of your posts filled with hypocrisy?

      August 27, 2010 at 3:56 am |
  4. violinman

    Sorry, Mormons are not Christians. They have a completely different belief in the nature of God, Christ and Satan. If your Christian faith controls your actions and associations, then associating with a Mormon is straight out. Ditto voting for Romney. Can't do it. Might as well vote for a Muslim.

    August 27, 2010 at 2:03 am |
    • Nathaniel

      May I ask who you are to determine if they are Christian or not? That really seems like the Christian thing to do. Amazing how easy it is to condemn others because of their differences. Why don't you leave here, or join the Muslim faith if that is what makes you happy. We won't miss you.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:07 am |
    • CC

      Thats true if u study it is different.Mormons have their own "added"version of the bible by Joesph Smith.I don't believe it.Thats the same as the Catholics believe in confession to a priest not me.THAT is not what the Bible says.A lot of this stuff is man made rules.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:22 am |
    • Judd

      VMan... All Christian denominations have various biblical beliefs and ideas about the nature of God, Baptism, salvation, heaven, resurrection etc...

      August 27, 2010 at 2:36 am |
    • Ryan

      ViolinMan- you wont vote for someone based on their religion? You dont care what good things that person can do for the country, you put religion above that? Thats scary.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:05 am |
  5. Nathaniel

    Funny to hear all "Christians" being discussed here focusing on "judging". Is that Christian. "Judge not lest ye be judged" "Love one another as I have loved you" Any of that sound Christlike?

    August 27, 2010 at 2:02 am |
    • RKB

      Judge not lest you be judge. When you read that in context it is speaking to christians to not judge the lost. As christians we are to hold one another accountable. Mormans that do not believe in hell are not saved. Plain and simple. Why would we need Jesus to save us if there was no hell? As for believing in Jesus, the bible says even the demons believe and shudder. James 2:19. BIG difference between believing and putting your faith and trust in Christ. Just because I stand in the garage doesn't make me a Ford! Jesus himself said "I AM THE WAYand the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

      August 27, 2010 at 11:49 am |
  6. CC

    When u croak you will see who's right or wrong.Far as being Christian thats a personal decision on a day by day basis.You sure can't look to ppl or you will always be bitter.I think there is more to this life than just being a bag of bones.Some ppl think there is nothing else but reasoning relying on their stupid thinking.

    August 27, 2010 at 2:01 am |
  7. Brandon

    Decide for yourselves at http://www.mormon.org.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:58 am |
    • TheRadicalLiberal

      Yeah, like I'm sure that website is going to be objective.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:00 am |
    • Brandon

      ...just showing you where you can learn about our beliefs. It's usually a good idea to learn about people and religions from the source rather than somebody else.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:08 am |
    • CTYank

      Another great source of info on Mormon is "Roughing It" by Mark Twain.
      They sure didn't pass his "sniff test."

      August 27, 2010 at 5:01 am |
    • Scott

      Sorry Brandon, not buying it. I'm sure you're a very nice person and outside of the world of keyboards and monitors we could get to know each other as people, but any claim that LDS is Christian is downright false. I've known several Mormons throughout my life, and each one of you is sincere in your beliefs. That's ok, but I can't believe it myself. I can't believe a religeon formed 180 years ago that claims to replace a 2,000 year old Word of God. Why did God wait so long to reveal this "essential information"? Also, if the Book of Mormon is the inspired Word of God, translated WORD FOR WORD (not thought for thought) from the plates of Moroni, then why is it written in the vernacular of the early 1820's, and why does it contain many spelling, grammatical and historical errors? I'm not sure why God would allow blatant errors such as I Nephi 18:25 Yes, I know I've misspelled a few words in this post – I'm not using Firefox, so sue me ๐Ÿ˜‰ The answer? I'm sure Joseph Smith was very sincere with what he was doing, but it's obvious he was DEAD WRONG. Maybe believed what he saw from the seer stones, but all they were was fantasy.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:28 am |
    • Cody from Canada

      Well about the horses,


      So there are people who believe that there were horses here. Further more if you'd like to disprove religious beliefs with science, explain with Science Christ resurrecting. I don't think that fits scientific criteria.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:32 am |
    • Frogist

      @ Scott: how do spelling and grammar errors make a belief defunct? You can be honest and heartfelt without having good english. I realise it does hint at a lack of education or accuracy, but it doesn't disprove what you feel.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
    • Reagan

      Wow...very interesting and enlightening...I had no idea the mormons believed all those things...sounds like to they are true christians! What's everybody so full of hate toward the mormons?...every mormon I know if honest, hard working and pariotic. Sounds like a receipe for success.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm |
  8. TheRadicalLiberal

    Mormons are no more bat s4!t crazy than Christians. What is in the book of mormon is no less believable. That John Smith found their new new testament on bronze plates in the USA (and I really don't know the rest of the details of the fairy tale so I'll stop there) is more ridiculous than Moses getting the 10 commandments from up a mountain after talking to a burning bush.

    I ashamed to livein a country that has "in god we trust" on its currency along with a big eye staring at you from the top of a pyramid (?????) where a sizeable proportion of the population reject science in favour of ancient mythology.

    We are doomed by our own national ignorance to fail as a nation.

    I'm going to Europe or Canada if they'll have me.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:58 am |
    • TheRadicalLiberal

      that should be "is no more ridiculous" and forgive the other typos, I didn't proof read.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:00 am |
    • Nathaniel

      Go. We don't need "Americans" that don't love their own country.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:05 am |
    • Kevin

      Do you even read your bloggings before you hit "post"? I think that you should take your advice and head to Europe. But somewhere in your busy schedule, you should get an education.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:12 am |
    • Ichthus

      Newsflash, religion is not just theological. Religion is, in fact, made up of the widest possible swath of philosophical positions one can take on everything from God to the Big Bang. Belief is not limited to the fantastical but can be as mundane and tiny as a full trust in one's understanding of quantum physics.
      You are mistaken to believe that the vast majority of "religious" people reject scientific discovery, when in fact it is the philosophical assumptions that become attached to it by people like yourself. In fact, in a Post-Enlightenment world, one cannot with a sound mind nor in good conscience dismiss the works of Darwin and others. What is generally being rejected, when one takes the time to really get down to it, is the idea that the science has proven something that it hasn't. Those who hold theological beliefs object to the idea that scientists (as opposed to science itself) have solved deep philosophical questions by puttering around in laboratories, libraries, or conducting surveys. It only proves what is within its scope.
      As to your understanding of the "bronze plates," if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know they were supposedly golden plates, the text of which Smith called "ancient reformed Egyptian" which he "translated" using seeing stones dropped into a hat, dictating all of this word-by-word to his brother, Hyrum.
      By the way, these so called "ignorant people" are found everywhere. I just feel sorry for you and those like you because you are so discontent, that you want to leave this land because you are too full of yourself to become educated on subjects as important as faith and philosophy. Your own worldview is philosophical, not just based on science. To say otherwise is only to further delude yourself into thinking you have more knowledge and insight than the average person. All that said, get a grip and get over yourself.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:52 am |
    • Jamoke


      A cut-n-paste from Dictionary.com
      1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
      2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
      3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
      4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
      5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
      6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
      7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
      8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

      Newsflash: I don't think that word means what you think it means.

      Religions are belief systems, but not all belief systems are religions.

      And pointing fingers at people pointing fingers is not hypocritical? Shall I tell you to "get over yourself" too? It's your choice.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:38 am |
    • Jamoke

      I really need to take some time before posting. Please ignore the above post. {}

      August 27, 2010 at 5:56 am |
    • Ike

      Don't let the door hit you on the way out.....

      August 27, 2010 at 7:31 am |
  9. jeffrey Root

    I'm an EX Mormon and yes I can tell you that although I do not believe in the religion or any for that matter Mormons are very much Christian. With that said I think people like Glenn Beck are just making America a very hateful place.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:55 am |
    • Al

      Glenn Beck is an embarrassment to all humans.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:44 am |
    • alf

      Easy to accuse, but please list some examples of hate speach that you have directly heard Beck use other from the edited sound bites used by the left. Please list a few examples of the untruths that he has told. Why are so many people so riled by Glenn Beck. He's just a commentator for crying out loud. Could it be that the truth is hard to hear? Take some time, bite your tongue for a few moments and actually listen to a few of his broadcasts in their entirety

      August 27, 2010 at 2:46 am |
    • CTYank

      alf, what is it with you? Are you Glenn's disciple or attorney? If you watch any of his shows, dispassionately, you will find that it is a stream of distortions, mis-representations and hallucinations, from which he draws the most absurd conclusions.
      He makes no claim to be a commentator AFAIK, but to be an entertainer. From here, there's nothing entertaining about seeing the gullible misled and swindled. I'd love to hear possible diagnoses by mental health professionals based on watching him.

      August 27, 2010 at 4:57 am |
    • David

      I do rather enjoy seeing how riled up he gets lefties ^_^. He's one man with an opinion. Who cares. Aaand moving on...lol.

      August 27, 2010 at 5:20 am |
    • Ryan

      Alf, my man, come on now. You cant play that game of "show me the proof". Someone will list something he said, you will argue the words or say you didnt see that show, the other person will counter with something, you will disagree....and round and round we go. Its like the people who want to see Obamas birth cert. You could staple the original copy to their forehead, but they would come up with something new. "where did you get it? Its not real. That is a forgery"......whatever.
      Beck is an entertainer.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:58 am |
  10. VegasRage

    Ahh Glen Beck believe in Joseph Smith and the imaginary golden plates and the heavenly messenger named who brought them to him, Moroni. ...the word being Moron.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:54 am |
    • alf

      Ahh, those Catholics praying to Saint Jude for strength to get through trauma or planting Saint Joseph upside down in the yard to see their house. Ahh, those Baptists walking into a river to be dunked backwards three times. Ahh, those Seventh Day Adventists believing that Saturday is the day to worship. We could continue, but the Lord tells me to judge not. I don't know any Mormons personally but I do know that every so often a few of the most All-American wholesome looking young people have knocked on my door to share some thoughts with me and the one they share is the belief that Jesus Christ was the Son of God who died for our sins. (unlike the lines I hear from the Jehovah's witnesses)

      August 27, 2010 at 2:34 am |
    • alf

      should be SELL not see

      August 27, 2010 at 2:35 am |
    • John

      Ezekiel 37
      The Valley of Dry Bones
      1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?"
      I said, "O Sovereign LORD, you alone know."

      4 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [a] enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.' "

      7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them.

      9 Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, that they may live.' " 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feetโ€”a vast army.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:32 am |
    • John

      Acts 2
      The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
      1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

      5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"

      13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much wine.[b]"

      August 27, 2010 at 7:33 am |
  11. Clark1b

    ask the Mormons to tell you who Jesus Christ is ... ask them what Jesus is ... ask them to tell you what Jesus' attributes are ... in detail.

    then ask Protestants and Catholics ... the very same questions ... then answer your own question ... do they believe in the same Jesus?

    August 27, 2010 at 1:53 am |
  12. Andy

    Good article! Jim Garlow made some excellent points. I personally believe Mormons are Christians, but that's not really the point- no matter your faith, we should all be uniting together for the common good!

    August 27, 2010 at 1:52 am |
  13. Laura

    "Glenn is saved." Now only if we could save ourselves and the country from Glenn....

    August 27, 2010 at 1:51 am |
    • Kevin

      Were you trying to make an argument here? Or were you just babbling?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:10 am |
    • Laura

      The argument is that I wholeheartedly do not agree with him. I find it immensely ironic that he is claimed to be "saved" when his programs are so divisive and often not factual (though they are presented as such).

      Anyway, whatever you think I was trying to get at, at least it got your attention ๐Ÿ˜‰

      August 27, 2010 at 2:15 am |
    • alf

      Could you please list a few examples of what Beck has said that was untrue. Please don't list what you only heard CNN say that he said. I know one that will probably be listed is where he said Obama was a racist and dislikes white people but please go back and listen to that entire broadcast and his explanation of why he said this.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:23 am |
    • Laura

      Recent offenses:
      1. "Ground Zero mosque" when in fact it is a Muslim community center & mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero; it will be at the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory.

      2. The moderate Imam Rauf, who did tons of outreach with the Bush Administration in the Middle East being painted as an Al Qaeda supporter! Where were these claims when they guy actually worked for the government?

      Glenn, like the rest of the Fox network broadcasters, only report news that is spun to the convenience of the far Right for the sole purpose of political gain. But, as they do this, they hurt our country by creating hate and fear.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:34 am |
    • travis

      More Beck lies, and falsehoods:
      1. That his up coming event is not political.
      2. Likening the current administration to Nazi Germany
      3. Using loose correlations to tie Obama to the Palestinian flotilla
      4. Claiming to be outraged at the "Mosque" planners because it is insensitive to the victims, when Beck him self said, in 2005, only 4 years after 9/11, that he hates hearing from the victims families because all they do is complain. (To provide context, he said at first he felt sympathy for them, and wanted to help them, but then he went on to talk about hating some of them because they are always whining.)

      August 27, 2010 at 2:47 am |
    • Gerard

      @Alf...how about in Jan 2008 when he did a show about the "Horror" that is the American Health Care system....then, when new health plan was being debated he says "People, we are about to lose the most wonderful health care system in the world!". Do a little research, it's all easy to find.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:25 am |
    • alf

      Travis: I don't know all of what Beck has said in the past or of all the snippets people play in trying to bash him. I did hear his thing about what is going on now and what has happened in different political systems in the past in other venues. The rise of the nazis was one of them . I did not hear his comments as comparing Obama with the nazis, only how peoples' freedoms can slowly be taken from them. Both reps and dems always jump to the conclusion that whenever the word nazi is used, someone is making a direct comparison when they are not. If I could try to use an analogy, as a biologist, I accept evolutionary theory that says monkeys and man come from a common ancestor. I constantly hear people then say that I said that man is descended from monkeys. The two statements are completely different in my mind, but no matter how I try to explain there are those who still only hear the latter. I think that is kind of what happens when people hear nazi.

      Gerard: I did not know about your example so I googled it. Here is a link to an ABC story http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/PainManagement/story?id=4101741&page=1 Please read it and see if you have the same feeling. My interpretation is that Beck in no way claimed the heath care SYSTEM was a horror story. He said that he went through a horrorible experience but he had excellent doctors. He said that SOME in the emergency room were rather unsympathetic but other were. In the end, he received great health care. (again, this is an ABC story, not FOX)
      I think if we all take the time to do our own research on issues and don't just abide what opinion/ commentators on both sides are claiming, we'd all find that we agree on a lot more than what we disagree on.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:21 am |
  14. Andrew

    When did evangelicals become sole group responsible for the determination of who is Christian and who isn't? Evangelicals tend to be the most arrogant and hate filled group out there, which is totally incompatible with the teachings of Christ. It is not their place to determine the beliefs of other religious groups.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:48 am |
    • Pete

      Do you know any evangelical christians as friends? want to meet some? Join me at Menlo Park Presbyterian and we can talk about it. Then decide if we are 'hate filled.'

      August 27, 2010 at 2:15 am |
    • Kate


      That's an offer a lot of people should consider making/accepting one way or another in a host of threads

      Just sayin'

      August 27, 2010 at 2:28 am |
    • Al

      They're always trying to convert me.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:42 am |
    • Scott

      Andrew, that's like saying who does Kiss think they are telling people how to play God Gave Rock n Roll to You. Christians believe the Bible, which has not changed in principle for 2,000 years. Joseph Smith did not find his plates of Moroni until the 1820's. If he was such a great prophet and we needed to hear this new way to God, why did God let everyone bounce around like a pinball for nearly two millenium before revealing it? I've known several LDS people, they're very nice and sincere, served with several in the Marines, but they are dead wrong on Christianity. They are not Christian by any definition of the word. If you actually research the Book of Mormon, you'll notice many grammatical errors, spelling errors, and factual errors, some as glaring as claiming that decendants of Israel that supposedly lived in North America around 73 B.C. used compasses when in fact such technology was not invented till 1100 A.D. You would think that if the text were inspiried by God it wouldn't contain such obvious errors. I don't dislike Mormons, but I can't let claims of "We're Christian" go unchallenged.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:54 am |
    • Frogist

      @ Pete. Yes, I do have evangelical friends. One of my best friends is evangelical. And she is just as nice as you can be until you mention religion. Then she will tell me I am going to hell and call me an atheist even though I am agnostic. She once sent me an email defending the murderer of John Lennon because John once said the Beatles were bigger than jesus and when I questioned its contents she raved at me about how evil I am acting. These are not acts of godliness or chrisitanity in my eyes. They are hate-filled rants aimed at someone she has known and supported her as a friend for 20 yrs. We also have a friend who is muslim and one who is hindu. I have never had the same two-faced treatment from them. They are kind and have never proselytised at me. I truly believe this is a flaw that some evangelicals fall into. The idea that you are somehow saved and loved above all others in god's eyes falls in well with a boastfulness and haughty nature that may remain checked otherwise.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:55 am |
    • Frogist

      @Pete Also, I am not condemning all evangelicals for the few incidents I have had with them. But my experiences have made me very wary of the honesty and kindness associated with religions of all kinds. I already realise that it is the people within a religion that make it what it is. But I will be hard to convince that any religion is truly the truth and the best path for all mankind.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    • Alyssa

      "If he was such a great prophet and we needed to hear this new way to God, why did God let everyone bounce around like a pinball for nearly two millenium before revealing it? "

      Great question Scott. Also ask yourself, if Christianity is the one truth path to eternal salvation, why then did God let everyone bounce around like a pinball for the thousands of eons before Jesus was born? The difference of 2000 years from Christ to Smith isn't a blip in the radar of human existence. Humans have been in their current forms for hundreds of thousands of years. Why did the christian god only make himself known 2000 years ago?

      August 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm |
  15. justin martir

    Mormons are not Christians. Let's be clear about that.
    Good Christians will be led to Hell if they compromise their faith by being misled and be misinformed.
    Think and analyze.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:48 am |
    • Andy

      I think you are wrong. I'd be interested to hear your definition of a "Christian." I can guarantee there are many fellow "Christians" out there that are labeled as such, but do not fit your description.

      August 27, 2010 at 1:56 am |
    • Kevin

      Unfortunately, there are not any filters that might screen out comments like this that are based upon ignorance and non-truths. This is just flat wrong. Period. Mormons are Christians.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:08 am |
    • Michael

      Kevin –

      The only truth one needs is that which is contained within the text. The Book of Mormon is 180 degs opposite of the Bible. The Christian community and the Mormon community are quite different. All you have to do is read to get this answer!

      August 27, 2010 at 2:11 am |
    • LaGryphon

      Mormonism is a cult .....so NO they are not christians

      Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

      Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
      No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
      No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
      Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
      There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
      Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
      There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
      Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
      The group/leader is always right.
      The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:15 am |
    • alf

      I don't know much of the Mormons but I do know that the Book of Mormon is only a secondary text to the same Bible that I read. If they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour, then they are Christians. Nothing I've read about the rest of what they believe detracts from that basic tenet. Every other Christian denomination has beliefs I don't buy into. For example, I was told by a Southern Baptist that I was not baptized because I was only "sprinkled"- I'm not Roman Catholic and I don't pray to saints. I disagree with those beliefs but that does not make them any less Christian than I am.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:16 am |
    • Barb

      The mormon faith is a cult. They are told what kind of underwear they have to wear and it has to be purchased at the "temple". They blindly sent their "tithe" to the bishop and never have any idea where the money goes or what it's used for. That is not Christian.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:19 am |
    • dcw

      "Good Christians will be led to Hell if they compromise their faith by being misled and be misinformed."

      So...does that mean that everyone who's allowing Beck and his cronies to stuff them full of their revisionist history and bigoted garbage is heading straight to Hell because they're being misled and misinformed? Ohsnap.

      At any rate, as has been mentioned, other Christians don't get to choose who does or doesn't consider themselves Christian.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:20 am |
    • Kate


      "Sprinkled"? So what would you have to do to be baptized according to that person? Drown?

      Just askin'

      August 27, 2010 at 2:20 am |
    • TP123

      Why do you say Mormons are not Christians?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:23 am |
    • Alex

      You obviously have no clue about what Mormons believe.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:33 am |
    • Rex

      @Michael- Yes! That is all we ask! Thoughtfully read the Book of Mormon to get the answer...

      August 27, 2010 at 2:53 am |
    • alf

      Kate: I was baptized as an infant by the minister putting drops of water on my forehead. I was told by a Baptist minister down in Florida that I was only sprinkled and was not yet baptized which could only be done to an adult by full body immersion. As a kid, I delivered flowers and when I had deliveries to certain churches, I wondered why they had what appeared to be a small swimming pool behind a curtain back of the pulpit.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:08 am |
    • angela

      I just love it when people like you tell who Iam and what I believe!! you must know me better than myself. intolerance is an ugly word!!

      August 27, 2010 at 4:27 am |
    • Ryan

      Alf- you have some nice comments on here, and you seem very intelligent. I have a question for you about the whole saviour thing (im not a christian and dont know, im going to the source). If all you need to do in order to be "Christian" is to accept Jesus as your saviour.....is that what gets you to heaven? I mean, could you concievably go around and do hateful and bigoted thoings your whole life, but as long as you accept Jesus as the saviour and admit to your sins.....you go to heaven? How about someone who is, say, Hindu. He lives a great life, helps others, isnt judgmental and has love in his heart....but he didnt accept Jesus. He goes to hell? Thats doesnt seem right. How about all the people that lived before Christianity? How about a guy who lived on a pacific island in say 600 AD, a man who knows nothing of Christianity....does he just go to hell as well? I have always thought about this, and I am wondering if a Christain can maybe explain these scenarios.
      I am just searching for some answers. I dont know and wont comment on it cause i dont know. Thanks.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    • Ryan

      I meant to say "how about a pacific islander who live in 6000 BC, not AD.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • The Deep Toucher

      Who cares whether Mormons are Christians other than people who are in the midst of their own spiritual crisis? With respect to accurately describing Mormonism, the only predicate that matters is Bat-Guano crazy. They believe, and by they I mean the men, that when they die, they get their own planet. In outer space. Have you ever hiked through the valleys in Utah? Giant locked vaults are dug into the sides of mountains there. What are they for? What manner of crazy drills numerous giant vaults as big as my house into the side a mountain, knowing full well that they are going to eventually get their own outer space timeshare? If you want to get rid of Beck, ask him on live television whether he personally believes that he will receive his own planet.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:37 am |
    • Rich

      @Ryan – My understanding is that many evangelical christians teach that anyone who is not "born again" before they die will go to hell (that only a very small selected few go to heaven). Christ's sacrifice is limited to only those who accept it while living, so Hindus and 600BC people will go to hell. No excuses, they just flat go to hell no matter how "good" they may be. However, this belief may vary from congregation to congregation, and individuals may also.

      Interestingly, Mormons teach that virtually everyone will be saved (will be resurrected and go to heaven), due to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. However, only those who live good lives will be able to live in the physical presence of God. All people who have ever lived will eventually have an opportunity to be saved, even if they were not christian or lived long before Christ.

      Another difference in theology between Evengelicals and Mormons is what our existence will be like in heaven. Evangelicals believe that it is happy place where will live forever with God. Mormons believe that as literal children of God, people will continue to learn, grow, and progress and that may eventually (in the far distant future) be much as God is now. Mormon's see this as the glory of God in teaching and raising his offspring, whereas Evangelicals see this as utter blasphemy! Mormons interpret the Evangelical view of heaven as a "hell" of sorts (like the movie "Groundhog Day").

      But the biggest difference which stirs the anger of some Evangelicals against Mormons is the nature of God and Christ. Evangelicals and Catholics officially follow the Trinity definition of God (that God and Christ are the same person – or different incarnations of the same being). Mormons (and Evangelicals who don't follow their official theology) believe that they are two separate beings – that Christ is literally the son of Heavenly Father and is a distinct person. Mormons believe that the government ruling (Nicene creed) in ~300AD to resolve the dispute on the nature of God was incorrect, whereas Evangelicals believe that it was correct. The bible does not conclusively provide the answer to which is correct, although modern re-written versions of the Evangelical bibles more stongly support their Trinity views of course. Mormons use the King James bible, but believe that there are a some minor mistakes in the bible. Some evangelicals believe that the bible is infallible and completely correct, but it is not necessarily clear what version they mean. The bible is just a collection of books and writings that were availble and combined by early monks. Both Mormon and Evangelical scholars believe that their teachings are 100% supported by the bible. Contrary to the beliefs of some, it is impossible to determine whether the Mormon or Evangelical beliefs are correct based solely on the bible itself (people will come up with this verse and that, but it all comes down to your frame of reference and interpretation). Mormons believe that God and Christ are both physical immortal people, whereas Evangelicals believe that god is a unconstrained non-physical spirit (except when he became Christ). Evangelicals view the Mormon belief that God is a physical being as blasphemous and limiting the power of God. Mormons view this as a key to understanding our relationship with God (literal spirit children, created in his likeness, that he is the father of our spirits and loves us).

      Mormons typically view Evangelical christians and Catholics as following God and Christ to the best of their knowledge, and that if they do so they have nothing to fear. Mormons send out gobs of missionaries to "share the truth", but they don't believe people will burn-in-hell if they do not convert to Mormonism. Evangelicals are split. Some believe that Mormons are evil incarnate and definitely going to burn-in-hell (not "born again") , whereas some believe that Mormons are "born-again" christians in every sense that matters (but are doing unneccessary "extra" stuff). In general I have noticed that many Mormons have an understanding of basic Evangelical theology, but few Evangelicals have an unbiased understanding of basic Mormon theology. It is very strange why Mormons are attacked so vehemently by some Evangelicals, but I think it must be mostly ignorance and false information. Ironically, some Mormons view these hateful attacks as evidence that their Church is correct (influence of Satan trying to hide the truth of God and Christ).

      August 27, 2010 at 2:02 pm |
    • alf

      Ryan: I am not a religious or Biblical scholar and don't have all or many of the answers. I feel that I have found my own relationship with God. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God written, translated and rewritten by flawed mortals. I don't take everything in the Bible literally .. I admit that I pick and choose passages that fit my own beliefs. I personally believe people are saved through Christ but I believe in a merciful God who doesn't send babies, Pacific Islanders or others to hell for what they don't understand here on earth. The truth will be revealed to us on our final judgement day and that is where we will have our choice. As far as people who continue to mouth that they are Christians and then continue to do very evil things, there is a passage that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, self control, etc. If one has truly accepted Christ, they will strive to live by that and it becomes easier and easier to do so. I believe that someone that has done evil things can still be saved if they truly accept God's gift (the caveat here is truly accept and that is up to God to judge, not me). If I am dead wrong about some of my beliefs, then I am comforted by another passage by Paul in Romans where he goes on and on about knowing what he should be doing and isn't, knowing that some of the things he continues to do he shouldn't be doing and felling very exasperated about this. That sounds like my life. He concludes by saying that his acceptance of Christ has saved him anyway.. That's a big weight off of someones shoulders.
      Now I've gone on and sounded like a preacher and didn't mean to. The bottome line is that it is not my place to judge others and have pretty much found peace for myself. If any one asks , I'm gald to share it, but they can believe what they want and we'll still be friends in the end. (I wish politics could be the same). Just to let you know, I grew up in the church and have always had these beliefs. My faith did not come from an epiphany or "reborn" moment in my life. A few generations ago, my ancestors were Amish. I have not attended church for probably forty years but I've put my trust in my faith and beieve God's looked out for me and has given me many blessings. I hope you find what you are looking for.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm |
    • Rich

      @The Deep Toucher – The "large caves" in Utah that you are referring to are the world-renowned genealogical history microfilm archives. The secure and climate-controlled environment in the Granite bunkers is in the same league as the Svalbard world seed bank and U.S. National Archives. The data has been collected over the past 100 years from throughout the world and is available to anyone who wants to see it (copies, not the original protected records). If you think preserving historical records is crazy, you are welcome to your opinion. The "planets" comment is an incorrect and disrespectful simplification of Mormon theology. Although every religious group has its crazies, typical Mormons are likely to be educated, rational, realistic, and reasonable people. However you feel about Beck, he is not a typical Mormon (likely no celebrity is typical of any other religious group either).

      August 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm |
  16. Nomad27

    Interesting that the Left keeps throwing charges of Islamaphobia over the Ground Zero mosque, but then turns around and tries to create a Mormonphobia with Beck. Reminding a lot of Christians that Beck is one "of those Mormons" it appears an attempt is being made here to try and isolate Beck from a swath of his viewers. However the more these declining media outlets attack the guy the more he gains in popularity.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:47 am |
    • Kate

      I didn't know he was a Mormon until I read this.

      But then again, I don't think it matters, he's still a revisionist fright-winger on an ego trip as far as I can tell. The only Mormon I know is a really nice person, so I'll assume Beck is just a tag-on more than an example.

      Religion isn't a necessary component for human beings to be s.

      August 27, 2010 at 1:51 am |
    • Laura

      I think the article is highlighting the evangelical and conservative Christian views on Glenn being a Mormon... these groups are not considered to be on the left.

      August 27, 2010 at 1:53 am |
    • Kevin

      Interesting that so-called "Christians" have the audacity to call members of the Mormon church (which is called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints") "non-Christians". I'm a Catholic and I bet none of them have ever picked up the Book of Mormon and read a paragraph.

      Debate Beck on his issues and arguments, but refrain from attacking his religion; if you attack Beck because he is a Mormon, then you validate the opinion of most logical people...you can't argue ideas with respect, facts and logic.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:07 am |
    • alf

      response to Kate:
      If you did not know that he was a Mormon until reading this, then you obviously have not really watched or listened to his broadcasts as he pretty much lets people know this regularly. How then can you accuse him of being a "revisionist fright winger" and being on an "ego trip".? Your accusations appear to be based on only the propaganda of the left who are now running scared of the not so silent anymore majority of Americans who want control of their lives back.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:07 am |
    • Kate


      Every time I've tried to watch him, about 47 seconds into his chalkboard I come to the conclusion either he's on drugs, or needs to be on drugs, and change the channel. Between that and reading the people who quote him who are *absolutely* fright wingers, it's pretty easy to decide.

      As for his ego, one just has to read his own words about the rally in DC that's coming. I seriously question his sanity because he's preaching like he's the Second Coming. Last time someone did that was a guy in this little place called Waco ...

      August 27, 2010 at 2:15 am |
    • travis

      Alf- the left are not running scared. Reasonable, tolerant people are trying to counteract the blatant fear mongering that Beck spews every day. If you think the people who believe in Beck's rhetoric are the majority, you are sorely mistaken. The real majority is so concerned with living their own lives that they don't really weigh in. People like Beck, and those who continue to concoct similar wild accusations leveled at the current administration, and liberal (or as I like to call them, opened minded) people are just as far on the fringe as true socialists, only in the other direction. Beck is an entertainer, and the people who think he is looking out for them are fooled by his audacious style of self branding. The simple point is that he has made a fortune on being a talented show man, leveling absurd accusations, and creating fear and hate amongst the population, all under the guise of educating the public. Beck is an uneducated fraud!

      August 27, 2010 at 2:41 am |
    • alf

      Kate – Style is an entirely different matter than message. I find him overly dramatic most of the time also but I have to disagree with you about the second coming comment. He goes out of his way to humble himself and point out his flaws and that he is not perfect. Again, try getting past the style, listen to a broadcast and point out where he is doing anything other than what Ed Shultz does on the other side.

      Travis – you said it best. He is just an entertainer. I can't believe that the left makes him into this demonic monster and focus ninety percent of their time trying to bash him. Just put out their message and let free thinking people decide. If he isn't expressing the thoughts of the majority then just ignore him.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:02 am |
    • travis

      That is the problem, we are not a free thinking people. The truth is we are fooled by the dog and pony show that he puts on. And people beginning to think, and act like he does is dangerous. The concern is not with Beck himself, it is with his the people who believe what he is telling them is the truth. He plants divisive seed in peoples' minds, people who are not educated enough, and do not have the resources to sift through the B.S..

      August 27, 2010 at 3:07 am |
    • Gerard

      @Travis...well said! The only thing I disagree with is the "he's an entertainer" comment...he's a performer...entertainers..well, entertain...But he is also a manipulator, liar, opportunist. I wouldn't fault any of that if I didn't think he was also damaging the country. This is America...manipulating, lying and being an opportunist seems to come with the territory.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:13 am |
    • Jim

      @alf: I did not know he was a Mormon either. Admittedly, I do not watch his show religiously (no pun intended), but I have watched it enough to know that Kate is right. The guy is not a good man. I can't speak to his religion since I do not know enough about Mormon faith to judge him by that. I do believe that a man can be judged by his words and, more importantly, his impact on the world and the people he touches. There I know enough about him to say that he is a bad man with a questionable moral compass. He is not out to make to world better, though he has the public forum from which he could. He is a shameless self promoter and there is no Godliness in his words and actions. He is simply out there to enrich himself. The religious Christian leaders should not work with him... not because he is a Mormon... but because Beck's rants are contrary to Christian teachings of compassion for weak among us, stewardship for the world that we inherit and love for one another. Of course, I have met many a Christian leader that seem to have forgotten that too. I suspect there were a good many at that conference who do not live by the teachings of Jesus and have not learned the lessons that he taught.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:32 am |
    • John

      Man, speaking as a leftist and socialist, I don't care what Beck believes. With all the hate he was spewing, I figured he was an evangelical Christian. I don't see a lot of difference between Mormons and evangelicals anyway.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:26 am |
    • vince

      Quite contrare mo faire. This Left and Right are you Lost? The Left is what??????? Oh my Oh my come back in to the light. You can be saved. Praise the Lord..

      August 27, 2010 at 9:34 am |
    • Ryan

      Great points Travis! I get a kick outta all these people that are always touting Becks audience. Most of his audience really doesnt have much else going for them. Like other hobbies or interests. They will ALWAYS be there to watch his show......cause what else are they gonna do? Most people think he is a little crazy, but you dont hear from them because they have lives, they enjoy doing other things.
      As for The Great Glenn.......you have to admire his business savvy. He knows what he is doing- playing on the fears and the phobias of his audience. He isnt dumb at all- he knows what he is doing. And he is SMART. He even admitted it- he is a showman and you cant take what he says literally. The people that do are the real jokes. He is just a businessman like all the others. I dont agree with him (I think he is silly and childish), but I really admire his business sense.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:33 am |
    • Frogist

      @Nomad: I wholeheartedly agree that you can't launch attacks at one religion and defend another.But you are mistaken by saying that the left is doing this. Last time I checked fundamentalist christian groups were not part of the left.

      @ alf: My favorite Melmacian likes Glenn Beck? Another piece of my childhood dashed to the rocks...
      Ok I have watched his ravings and read his transcripts, not regularly, and no mention is made of him being mormon. Yet I don't have to follow his every word to know he is a megalomaniacal bender of the truth. Frankly I find it hard to believe that he would be welcomed by whatsoever religion that espouses honesty and brotherhood over fear and lies.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:35 am |
    • TammyB

      @ Alf....I too did not know that Beck was Mormon (I don't care either) as I listen to him quite frequently on his talk radio program. However, although every ONCE in a while, he does make a valid point, and is kind of humorous, basically, I have never liked him due to the way he speaks to people....even when they are in agreement with him, he kind of talks down to callers, or people who may be questioning some story of his. I think this goes along with several people's observation of his big ego. Nothing wrong with it except that he kind of denies that he may ever be wrong, or that he thinks that he's all that. His "speak" totally backs me up...listen to him on the radio sometime. Like I said, even when he's in agreement with a caller, or another reporter, he talks to everyone like they are 2 years old and they don't understand anything. And I think, although he says he doesn't politicize, he actually does and does at his rallies, which are NOT supposed to be political, according to him, however, I have heard differently from attendees, all who really just LOVE him.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:27 pm |
  17. Jeff

    Mormons are Christians. People who believe otherwise don't have a full understanding of the Mormon religion

    August 27, 2010 at 1:46 am |
    • Michael

      Absolute hogwash! Mormons are no more Christian than are Muslims or Jews.

      There is nothing remotely similar between orthodoxy Christian teaching and Mormon teaching. Common words does not me common religion!

      August 27, 2010 at 2:09 am |
    • LaGryphon

      Mormonism is a cult.....so NO Mormon's are not christians

      August 27, 2010 at 2:10 am |
    • phil

      Any religion that claims the teachings of Jesus Christ and considers Jesus to be the son of God and the salvation of humanity is a Christian. Other Christians don't get to choose. Where do you think Martin Luther came from?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:15 am |
    • dcw

      Mormons might be Christians, but Glenn Beck sure as hell isn't.

      Neither is any Mormon who actually buys into his particular brand of hate-spewing bigoted bullpucky.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:17 am |
    • LaGryphon

      @dcw....where do you think Beck gets his hate spewed bigotry from? The Mormons

      August 27, 2010 at 2:19 am |
    • steve

      Unless you can agree on the physical nature of God the argument cannot be settled. Both sides will continue to claim they are right.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:23 am |
    • Judd

      Yes, Mormons are Christians..... I have always though it was interesting that Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Anglicans, Lutherans etc.. all have various biblical beliefs can all be considered Christians but some (very few) unlearned feel that Mormons are not Christians. Yes there are differences amongst the various Christian denominations but each are believers of Jesus Christ. Christians are followers of the Savior, Jesus Christ. As a Mormon, I pray to my God in the name of Jesus Christ and understand that the only way one can be saved is through the Redeemer, Jesus Christ. This is Mormon Theology. Anything said to the contrary is hogwash. Thank you and have a good day!

      August 27, 2010 at 2:26 am |
    • TripleM

      Jeff, why don't you enlighten us further about the LDS cult? I had two 19-year-old "elders" visit my home with their flip-charts and videos. The beliefs of the LDS cult are astounding! So please tell us about the Book of Mormon, deciphered from stones placed in a hat...which then mysteriously disappeared. Like magic. How convenient. They were here one minute and then they just vanished. Tell us about the huckster Joseph Smith who invented the cult about 200 years ago based on his very limited "knowledge" of history, science, the Biblical era and existing Christian beliefs, and how he hoodwinked simple-minded people to pour out their pocketbooks to fund the LDS cult. How every time he told the story of his encounter(s) with the angel Moroni, or reinterpretted the magic stones, the stories got more and more detailed. (I notice the word 'moron' in the name of that angel, by the way.) Tell us about how the Hebrew god Yahweh began life as a human and then became the god of earth when he went to heaven, and how all Mormon men become gods and get their own planets and a host of spirit wives to mate with in the afterlife. I guess, like in Islam, the afterlife is no fun for women whose sole function is to be mated with! Tell us how the Native Americans are really the ten lost Tribes of Ancient Israel. A simple DNA test should be able to dispell that bit of nonsense. Apparently, in order to belong to the LDS cult, one must first be a total idiot with the ability to believe just about anything, even simple parlor tricks that even a five-year-old could figure out. I am no bigot. I just hate ignorance and stupidity.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:26 am |
    • steve

      @ Triple M Off course there are a few things in the Bible some people might have a hard time believing also. But those stories are so much older so they must be true.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:30 am |
    • CobatVet

      Why must everyone get upset over who is Christian and who is not? Who are you to judge? Last time I checked with ALL religions, they, except the whacko's who claim to be God themselves, believe only God has the ultimate say so as to earn "salvation" or a place in heaven. For ALL Christians and those who feel they are Christian, but told by others they are not, and for EVERYONE out there, a wise man once said, "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone." So whose gonna toss the first? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:35 am |
    • dcw

      @LaGryphon - nah. He gets that from his own head, his own bankrupt intellect, and his own slavish ego. Just like every other wingnut demagogue since time began. He could be Mormon, Baptist, Muslim, Jewish, Pastafarian, it wouldn't matter - he'd still spew the same bile because it panders to his ego and pads his bank account.

      Mormonism sure as hell isn't perfect, but it sure as hell isn't the sole determining factor in what produced Glenn Beck's particular brand of crap. If you're gonna point out flaws in Mormon theology then go for it - I've spent a lot of my life doing that - but Beck is all in his own world, where the only real God is himself. Mormonism didn't give him that. That's ALL him, man. All him.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:38 am |
    • LaGryphon

      @dcw perhaps you are right...... In aligning himself with Mo's he has found kindred thought patterns. The paralells are uncanny

      August 27, 2010 at 2:46 am |
    • Gerard

      @DCW...Pastafarian? So, the have like spaghetti dreds? (sorry...I know it was prob a typo...just couldn't resist!)

      August 27, 2010 at 3:08 am |
    • hardright

      @phil, that is not correct, that's not what the bible says about who is a Christian and who gets to choose. Christians are absolutely allowed to call 'foul' on any religion that claims to be Christain but does not adhere to the definition put forth in the Bible. It's clear as mud and there is no question that the Mormon faith does not pass Biblical muster to be able to consider themselves Christians that are part of the covenant. Read it.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:20 am |
    • Barry

      Read what the bible say's about anyone who adds to the bible (Mormons) – Revelation 22:18-19

      August 27, 2010 at 3:27 am |
    • hardright

      correct Barry, and the list goes on. deity of Man, lack of deity of God, the Trinity, Hell, Jesus' relationships on earth, hundreds or thousands of CHANGES to BOM over the last century when it's found to be in conflict w/ itself or the Bible, which further violates the inerrancy of scripture (if you give in to the false assumption that the BOM is actually part of scripture). it just all falls apart under Biblical scrutiny.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:44 am |
    • Max

      Jeff is right. They are not Christians, just posers. Anyone who can believe the nonsense they spout is prime cult pickings. Their cult exists to propogate misogny and welcomes old men "marrying" teenage girls. They are a disgrace to they already disgraceful business of religion.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:53 am |
    • Max

      Sorry for the typo. Meant to say Jeff is dead wrong!

      August 27, 2010 at 3:55 am |
    • DeeMarie

      @Gerard – Pastafarian is not a typo – it's what followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are called. FSM was created in response to the Kansas Board of Education requiring Intelligent Design to be taught in schools, so this "Mock Religion" stated that equal time must be spent in schools educating students about all "intelligent design" theories.

      A massive following has since developed. Google it.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:55 am |
    • LaGryphon

      Triple M you covered just about everything except for the prophecy by Joseph Smith that "this great country's constitution would be hanging by a thread & the Mormons would be called upon to save it".....the thing is ole Joe Smith made that boastful prophecy about himself, that he would be the one in his lifetime to "save" the constitution & we all know he died in a gunfight so that prophecy was never fulfilled. I suspect Glen Beck thinks he is the "chose one" to save the constitution which he perceives is "hanging by a thread".....he does talk to God so he's believing his own hype. unwholy

      August 27, 2010 at 4:20 am |
    • Doug

      Are you kidding.. ???? you believe Joseph Smith is the same a Jesus.. Tell it like it is before you fool America !

      August 27, 2010 at 5:44 am |
    • SpyderGirl

      As a member of the LDS Church, Christ is central and most important in my life. Christ is my savior and through his sacrifice men are saved. So we do not believe in the Trinity or Nicean Creed. Those are not what makes person Christian. Belief in Christ as the Son of God and Messiah is what makes you Christian. Belief in Christ's Atonement, his sacrifice and his resurrection makes you Christian. Accepting Christ as your Savior and path to Salvation makes you Christian. No Manmade doctrine created 300 years after the death of Christ makes you Christian.

      August 27, 2010 at 6:29 am |
    • Dave

      Christians believe in the 'one god'. Mormons believe that if you are a shining example in this life you will ascend to the Celestial Kingdom and 'become' god of your own new universe... this disconnect between one god and multiple gods is inconsistent.

      Therefore, if you do not believe in the 'one god', you aren't a Christian.

      The problem with attempting to 'jump' on the Christian bandwagon is to acquire even more mindless followers... at least they could get their terminology of nonsense right... but then again, as Beck enjoys re-writing history, perhaps he'll write his own new bible.


      August 27, 2010 at 6:58 am |
    • eli

      you don't know much about mormons. they believe you can eventually become god of your own planet. that only mormons go to the top heaven (yes, there are levels) wife gets to be eternally pregnant, popping out spirit babies for their husbands planet. all this told to their prophet with the help of a talking salamander. do some research.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:26 am |
    • Sloppy J

      "If you're a (fill in political or religious group you loathe), then you're a (fill in favorite way to belittle someone)."

      "If you're a REAL (fill in political or religous group you approve of), then you're (fill in favorite positive adjective."

      Doesn't this get old? Yes, makes perfect sense . . take a collection of millions of people (Mormon, Islamic, Christian, atheist, whatever) and slap a label on every last one of them. It's very easy to do on some random BB hiding behind your computer monitor.

      I've spent my whole life as a Latter-day Saint "cult member". I've encountered a lot of people in the church I respect and admire, and I've met a lot I'd like to see get a nasty disease. Guess what? Every religion, political party, or other social group has its d-bags.

      And please, just give up the whole petty, "Mormonism is a CULT!" "Nuh UH!! Is NOT" "Yeah, is SO! My Bible tells me so!!" back and forth. The only advice I can give to fellow Mormons is to let it go . . why is it so important to you that Johnny Evangelical gets his panties in a bunch if you refer to yourself as Christian? Johnny, far as I know, is a freakin' nobody, and he sure as hell isn't chief of the Religious Label Police. He doesn't want to allow you into his little club? Boo hoo. I think I'll find a way to go on with life.

      And I'm not labeling an entire sub-culture, but two of the most trustworthy, honorable people I've ever known were evangelical Christians . . and if I wanted to see them transform into wild-eyed, raving loons, all I had to do was mention Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon. It was equal parts frightening and funny to see these friendly, mild-mannered guys go into hysterics when Mormonism entered the conversation. Bizarre. Man, we can provoke a reaction, can't we? That alone is a reason to remain a Mormon . . to be the itching powder in the jock strap of the hardcore evangelical.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:07 am |
    • Cantbee

      @Barry. Nice quote of Revelation, but the Bible as we know it had not been compiled yet. All the books were not put together, nor was Revelations the last book of the current BIble that was written. So in your theory, then much of the Bible as we know it would need to be discarded. There is also the problem of the books that the Church choose not to add to the Bible, as well as those scrolls such as the Dead Sea Scrools which may pre-date Revelations. Can we add those? Just asking. Also Read Deuteronomy 4:2:

      "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

      If I choose to interpret that as you do Revelations, than the whole of the New Testament should be thrown out, no? Again just looking at the facts...

      August 27, 2010 at 9:33 am |
    • GodLovesUsAnyway

      If Mormons are Christians and believe that Jesus died for us, and we have to make a choice while we are alive to follow him or not; how can they reconcile that with baptizing themselves in "proxy" for those who died without choosing to be Mormor? Does that mean their "temple works" are greater than the sacrifice of Christ?

      August 27, 2010 at 9:43 am |
    • myweightinwords

      It all depends on how we're defining "Christian" I suppose as to whether or not to consider Mormons to fall under the umbrella. They share the same god, but then so do Jews and Muslims, and yet we don't consider them Christians. For that matter so do Maltheists and Satanists and Luciferians share the same god, yet I doubt anyone would consider them Christian.

      It isn't a simple either or, I don't think. The waters are a little muddy, and dependent entirely on subject definition of the term "Christian". I know that when I was an evangelical Christian, I didn't believe that Mormons were Christian. But then, I didn't consider Catholics to be Christian either. Doesn't mean they aren't, just that they didn't fit my definition.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:37 am |
    • Dave

      Please, evangelical Christians are hilarious. They have nothing cornered on the Christian market. Get out of here with the bull you spew.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:51 am |
    • hardright

      @spydergirl unfortunately you have oversimplified your own religion. the trinitiy is not a post Bibilical concept and the Nicean creed only reiterates EXACTLY what is in scripture. But you are correct in that it's not (and should not) be our definitioin of being a Christain, the Bible is our measuring tool and you have chosen the one, and only one point, where Mormonism loosely adheres to a tenent of being a Christian. Pick any ONE of the other items I've listed (and other have listed) and you have deviated just far enough to be classified as (at a minimum) a heretic by Bibilical standards and 1) that makes your religion not Christian and 2) fits into a category Bibilically where true Christians are obligated to speak out against it.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:10 am |
    • Michael (LV, NV)

      Religious bigotry is ugly enough without its massive undergirding ignorance. Real answers from real Mormons (including myself) to many of these "controversial" issues may be found at mormon.org.

      We believe in Jesus Christ. We believe He is literally the Son of God; was and is the God Jehovah of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. His gospel is the only way to true peace in this life and eternal glory in the kingdom of His Father (and ours). In these days running up to His return, He has restored His ancient church with all the priesthood keys held and used by prior dispensations (see Eph. 1:10). So yes, we have apostles and prophets, beginning with Joseph Smith (who btw is NOT held in the same regard as Jesus). Yes, we have additional scripture–just as the primitive church received the New Testament in addition to the Old.

      And yes, we practice baptisms for the dead. This is not, GodLovesUsAnyway, "greater than the sacrifice of Christ." This is making that sacrifice fully accessible to those who didn't have a chance to hear about the gospel in this life. It is done by His authority and at His direction.

      As for Glenn Beck, he is a shining light in this darkening world; his detractors speak evil of him and his faith from a position of ignorance and hate. He, along with his fellow LDS, are always willing to reach out to do good with any man of honor and goodwill, of whatever religion.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:47 am |
    • RKB

      The teachings of mormonism is NOT BIBLICAL: http://www.carm.org/comparison-between-christian-doctrine-and-mormon-doctrine Any religin that doesn't believe in hell and thinks Jesus and satan are brothers is blasphemy! We don't get our own planets and become gods of thoses planets if we are good enough. Ephesians 2:8-9 not by being good, but by God's grace are we saved from HELL! I pray you cry out to God for understanding to see HIS truths not what the mormon church teaches.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:00 pm |
    • Mormon at Large

      Who freakin cares what evangelicals or atheist or anyone else think about Mormons. I am a Mormon because I have found it to be the nicest group of people on this planet..... Anyone can punch holes in any doctrine, mormon or christian. I am a Mormon because it is a great way of life. And there has been no angel or demon that has come and told me any different. Everyone thinks they are right....and that everyone else is going to H E L L....well that is hogwash.....all I have found the mormons to be is a kind, accepting, loving group of people who are quick to help, quick to accept and quick to forgive. Anyone who says Mormons are anything less than Christian.....does not know any Mormon and only believes it because that is what they have been told. Read Romans 13 about the law being fulfilled by one word....LOVE . And that my friends is what I have found in the Mormon faith....and that is what keeps me being a Mormon.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
    • Russ

      This is the one side of Evangelical Christianity that I find ugly. Religious bigotry and hypocrisy. On the one hand, most protestants will agree that it is confession and acceptance of the Jesus Christ that leads to salvation. Yet, with Mormons who claim just that, they point to beliefs in Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon and say they are not saved. Wait. Is it belief in Jesus Christ or is it correct doctrinal thinking that saves a person? "Sure you accept Jesus Christ but you ALSO belief that that fella over there was a prohpet . . . NO SALVATION for you."

      August 27, 2010 at 12:20 pm |
    • Alyssa

      "Mormonism is a cult"

      What is religion if not a cult that has more followers? I don't see much of a difference in the "cultishness" of Mormons vs. mainstream Christianity.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm |
    • breeboo

      All of this running around and tripping over each other about "who is a Christian and who isn't" is an absolute waste of time. This is the bottom line here: There are only 2 people that get to tell me if I'm a Christian or not โ€“ Christ, and me; the rest of your opinions on my status mean nothing whatsoever to either of us.

      A person can call themselves a Christian, but not behave like one, and when they die, Christ will likely disagree with them.

      Really, stop wasting so much time trying to tell another human being if he is a Christian or not, and worry about whether you and Christ have squared that definition up in your own life. As for me, I can tell you that regardless of what final answer we all decide on here in this forum, I'm going to spend my entire life making sure that when I die, Christ knows I loved him and followed him the absolute best I could.

      August 29, 2010 at 2:37 am |
    • diogenes49

      I think that it's you Jeff who doesn't understand his religion. Mormon is not Christian.

      August 30, 2010 at 11:12 pm |
  18. Andrea M

    What fruit do I see produced by Glenn Beck? I see ratings for Fox and advertising dollars along with hatred and bigotry. In those things I see nothing remotely Christian.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:44 am |
    • Chris M

      I beg to differ – The Spanish Inquisition and The Crusades.

      Hatred and bigotry fit right in with the Christians, from my point of view.

      Bring the message to the heathens by torture, destruction and death? And that 'message'? Eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. Gee, how nice. Back to the FOX/Christian comparison – Bill O'Reilly face is torture enough for me (strangely enough, I think Andrea Mackris would agree with me), not to mention that fat, overpaid, unintelligent, soulless, heartless, pig Rush Limbaugh, Fox News destroys our country by the continued lowering of our standards of decency and intelligence (I know there's not much there to begin with; still, there IS some) and encouraging people, directly and indirectly, to murder people like George Tiller and that nut case who murdered two people in a church but confessed IN COURT to wanting to murder everyone listed in Bernie Goldberg's (FOX Contributor) book.

      So, hatred and bigotry – yes, Christians and FOX have a very solid connection to. Wealth and ratings....eh, I concede to the ratings bit, and talking about how wealth is involved between these two is complex at best, starting with how these organizations acquired what they own now and how they started off. Therefore, I'll give ya those two for the sake of argument.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:37 am |
    • DC Buckeye

      ChrisM, congratulations! As with most atheists, you've countered hate with hate. If you or the other atheists ever bothered to try and open your minds and do some simple, grade school-level investigating, you'd see that there are plenty of Christian denominations that are countering the hate of evangelicals by putting the real message of Christ into action. I'll stop here, because I suspect my words are falling on deaf and intolerant ears, except for one last point . . . Yes, we've had the Inquisition, etc. But, we've still given more food, shelter, education, hope to the hopeless, and compassion to people around the world than you and your "thinking" atheists (like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Castro, to name just a few) have done, or ever will do. I pray one day, you and the other virulently bitter atheists will open those minds you seem to boast so much about.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:08 am |
    • Dustin L

      I totally agree with you Andrea. Nothing GLen Beck has done is in anway a "fruit of God". These people who are supporting him who supported Prop 8 really need to read the Bible a bit better. I am from Canada and went to a Catholic school my whole life, though I do not practice it I cannot understand why people can qouote the Bible on love and compassion yet deny the rights of human beings. If people really read the Bible they would see that it states God loves everyone no matter what. Guess they skip and ignore the parts that do not fit into there world view.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:09 am |
    • Ryan

      DC Buckeye,
      I agree with ya- it seems like quite a few "atheists" are jerks. But if I do what you said, some "simple grade school" thinking, I would conclude that religion is hoax that was set up by powerful people to maintain control over the masses.
      I know a bunch of Christians who are good people- more good then bad. Its just too bad these people are the ones who ARENT running around and judging others, as well as telling me how to live my life. Its these radical weirdos.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:14 am |
    • BeckViewer

      Beck does not preach hatred, and he does not preach bigotry. If you really watched his show or listened to him, you'd know that. Glenn Beck has done more to educate people on the contributions of African Americans to this country than Barack Hussein Obama or the Rev. Al Sharpton.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:15 am |
    • UncleM

      DC Buckeye – keep up the charity work but stop spreading the ignorance and bigotry that religion always promotes. The bible is just a book – it's made up.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:24 am |
    • pullmyfinger

      @ chris There are 8+ center left News agencies and 1 center to wingnut..........If the Conservatives have half the voting population then it would be safe to assume that 50% share of cable viewers would gravitate towards FOX......Don't be so aw inspired.......

      August 27, 2010 at 10:25 am |
    • Darren

      Beck and FOX have hijacked the bible and the flag for ratings and money. The republican party has hijacked the bible and the flag for power and money. They are the cancer that will eventually kill America.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:26 am |
    • Prevaricator

      Great comment Andrea.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:26 am |
    • TomK

      Well stated Andrea!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:31 am |
    • Gene

      It is apparent that the evangelicals have adopted the old Muslim philosophy, which in itself is ironic. The Muslims have a saying that goes, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Now that's funny.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:35 am |
    • Don

      I stopped reading this story after reading the first line....." to attend television host Glenn Beck's conservative rally in Washington this weekend ". If you have been listening to the show, this is NOT a Political rally. Nice to see the person who wrote this story did so blindly.
      Nice job, Dan.
      Typical CNN spin!!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:36 am |
    • Jessica

      I see dirty rotten apples with his attempt to rewrite history.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:36 am |
    • No God, No Religion

      @DC Buckeye

      "As with most atheists, you've countered hate with hate."

      I'm not sure about the "most atheists" part, but I agree that it's somewhat common for atheists to focus on the worst aspects of Christian history (Inquisition, etc.), rather than the good parts (many small acts of kindness). This feels a bit pointless, as there are clearly many examples of people with all sorts of beliefs doing both good and bad things. The outcome of having a belief does not prove whether the belief is true. So it doesn't matter that the Inquisition and the Soviet Union both produced a lot of suffering – either the Christian god exists or it does not, regardless.

      As an atheist, I love people of all kinds and even have some deeply religious friends. It doesn't bother me too much that they believe in (what I consider to be) fairy tales, so long as those beliefs don't cause them to things that I consider dangerous (e.g. hurt people, suppress science education, etc.).

      Anyhow, I just wanted to challenge the notion that "most atheists" favor hate-based arguments against religion. Most of the atheists that I know are pretty nice, rational people – many of them don't care much about religion and get bored pretty quickly with a conversation like this one. It's typically only the "militant atheists" that get into mudslinging with theists. And even these people, when I've talked with them or read their writings, often aren't particularly hateful. It's more like they're impatient and frustrated with living in a society in which so many people still have (what they feel) are such primitive beliefs. I can appreciate that emotion – tolerance requires some effort. But given that there's no argument that anyone can make to definitively convince another person that their religious beliefs are not correct, what else can we do but be patient and try to get along?

      August 27, 2010 at 10:40 am |
    • TomJester

      There is little comparison between Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, etc. and the killings and violence spawned by religion. These people were atheists who killed, but they didn't kill in the name of atheism. Religion fueled the religious wars and killings of the past, and it will continue to do so in the future. God is love, my ass.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:44 am |
    • habbair24

      I'm not a huge beck fan but hatred and bigotry? Give an example.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    • Nicole Dixon Davis

      A Christian is anyone who believes and accepts Christ as their personal Savior, as one who paid for their sins through his atoning sacrifice. If you watch Glenn Beck's conversion story, this is exactly what he did.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:49 am |
    • Geo M.

      Are people really that ignorant to think that Mormons are not Christian? Really? I am not mormon but have attended their mass on occasion and I don't know that I have attended anything more Christian in my life. We talked about the Old Testament, Christ and everything Christian. Come on America, we are in the 21st Century, get a clue.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:49 am |
    • Dave

      Here's the thing, I am LDS but I cannot stand Beck. I agree he has sold his soul for the $$$. He baits people with pinch of truth but then doesn't follow through. It's because he is actually serving his corporate masters. FEMA camps, 9/11, NWO, global warming; all subjects he has baited people on but pulled back from what is really going on. He's not going all in because he is controlled.

      Oh, and we are as much Christian as the evangelicals.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:49 am |
    • Jack

      @DC Buckeye: So you counter Chris M's hate with more hate of your own? That's showing him! Sounds as if you have quite a bit of hatred and bigotry toward atheists, but I guess that's okay because they are godless heathens, am I right?

      Sheesh! Sometimes I think we are all just animals acting out of instincts we don't understand, only some of us are more pretentious than others. I think we can rise above it, but many don't even seem to want to bother to try. It's just easier to hate and point fingers.

      Yes, massive amounts of cruelty have been perpetrated by people of all belief systems throughout history. But if you hold every group responsible (except for your own, of course) for the worst examples of their kind, what hope do we have? Christians, Atheists, and everyone else should be judged, if they must be, by the content of their character. If you judge them merely by a label, then you are being intellectually and spiritually lazy.

      Stop thinking you are so superior. I'm not. You're not. None of us are.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:52 am |
    • jayb

      Yes Glenn Beck will always get my view and support because the words from his mouth our "hope, faith and charity" while the words from nearly all the posts I read below are "hate, bigot, lier, stupid, " etc. I have chosen the side I will stand on. Christianity has been hijacked by evil people just as every other group, class, organization, and race at some point in history. to use the crusades as an excuse to hate but no one ever speaks against the destruction of the Nazis, the desctruction of Mao, Stalin, etc. you have chosen to follow in the footsteps of evil people and mass murderers. I will follow the one who offers life and life abundant.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:54 am |
    • ron

      CNN, instead of focusing on the positive message in Beck's upcoming rally outside the Lincoln Memorial, has chosen instead to pick a "divide and conquer" strategy – anyone else here see that? Oh yes, it's a legitimate question of course, but the timing of this divisive issue is so bare-faced obvious, CNN has it in for Beck, and they want to bring him down, having been pretty well miffed at him since he left Headline News.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:05 am |
    • demo joseph

      Glenn Beck is a great sales person. I will not call him a man. And the ya hoos just joined in to make extra money. That's what it's all about money, money, and of course control – we will control this world and tell everyone what to do, how to live and most of all how to think. You can fool some of the people some of the time and most of you may fool the as....ho... all of the tiime, but you will NEVER fool all of us...at any time.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:08 am |
    • jackson Ables

      CONGRATULATIONS DC BUCKEYE, you like most high-horse people have countered stupidity with more stupidity.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:10 am |
    • Jill

      Andrea M, I feel sad for you if you do not see the fruits and the truth. Please ask God to show you the truth. Dig in your bible and understand John 3:16. We are here by the grace of God to tell and share the truth. Glenn is doing nothing but telling the truth of the corruption in Washington and what the truth of our history in America is. How do you not see fruit from truth? I do not understand.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:13 am |
    • ryan

      I wouldn't call myself an evangelical and calling myself a Christian in the modern sense of the word (going to any church or following the word of any denomination) would be a stretch – I disagree with almost all of the churches political and social stances

      To knock the teachings of Christ for the atrocities committed by the church is a foolish stretch -knock the church but not the teachings- like Islam is today, Christianity has been hijacked by radicals at times as well, and at the root of most of these is money and politics. The churches and religious organizations, do a great deal of good and that should also be considered. Charity is a pillar of Christs teachings.

      Catholicism at this point deserves to hold most of the guilt for the actions of any church – on the scale of things, from the inquisition to the current pedophilia issues, to the catholic church indirectly contributing to the spread of hiv/aids in africa and brazil. As much good as they do, they do a great deal of bad and are extremely corrupt. That is the institution of man and its workings within the church – not the teachings of Christ.

      Evangelical Christianity in this country is difficult because people are looking for answers for modern day problems to 2000 year old text – they discourage text and that is dangerous.

      The old testament is violent and outdated – using any of that in modern day is a stretch and Christians should all but forget most of that text as it is filled with violence, plural marriage, rape, etc – the new testament is a very different message and needs to be looked at independently, from Christians to atheists.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:17 am |
    • Hank

      I agree.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:19 am |
    • blondephd

      @ Ron

      I don't watch Fox, so I went to Beck's website to see what his real purpose is so I could focus on the "message" instead of the rhetoric. Outside of bus routes on how to get there and parking, along with button to push for donations, all I found was this:

      "Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to Americaโ€™s service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nationโ€™s founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.

      Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC."

      There are a lot of us who take offense at this "message" and don't see it as positive. The United States is the most honorable country on the planet. Our service men and women are as honorable as they come and there is not lost honor to restore.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:20 am |
    • Frogist

      @ DC Buckeye: Besides the useless banter of whose philosophy is more violent, I think you have a valid point. There are numerous people who name themselves christian who do good things. Whether it is for an imaginary god or no is not my concern as long as good things come out of it. But I do believe christians have to stop being so holier than thou and acknowledge the part they have had to play in violent conflict instead of distancing themselves from it. I actually think this is true of most religions because until those similarities are recognised we will always be villifying the other. I also think christians need to practice that humility that they always claim to have while at the same time acting pridefully and putting others down for their own beliefs.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • patricia

      America...what has become of you that now you follow man not the word of GOD! I fear for you and your religiouse respected so called Leaders may our Lord have mercy upon you..

      August 27, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • mtw220

      Who cares what Glen Beck say's or does. He can stand on top of the Lincoln Memorial for all I care. Smart people know a real activist when they see one. He's just another Rush Limbaugh playing up to an ignorant audience and stacking his chips all at sametime. He could care less about anybody's well being.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • Sam

      What, exactly are the evangelicals objecting to in the Mormon faith? This article should have said so, since it is one of the main ideas in the article.

      One of them, I suspect, is the Doctrine of the Trinity, which Mormons reject. The Doctrine of the Trinity says that there are three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) unified in one eternal God. Mormons believe that the Son is a separate God from the Father, and that they were not Gods eternally (they believe Jesus was once a human and not a God at all). They also believe that any good male Mormon can become a God. So, evangelicals may regard Mormons as polytheists.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:23 am |
    • tabernacle

      ahh... but do you have magical underwear?

      August 27, 2010 at 11:23 am |
    • hardright

      @ChrisM wow, you really HATE Christians and Fox don't you. As another reader commented about you responding to hate w/ more hate I have to say a couple of things. One, what hate are you responding to? This is actually just HATE put forth by someone whoe doesn't like Christians or Fox. Two, you paint everything with a broad brush. Even your history is OFF. If you go read some about the crusades you would realize that while some of of them were most definitely hate filled attempts and pushing Christianity by force, the early crusades were defensive in nature to push back HATE filled agression of Muslims. So learn your history before you come on here pointing the HATE finger at all Christianity. If you measure a person or groups actions by Biblical standards by the Bible, you can easily (very easily) determine if they are Christian or not, whether they are true to God or not, and whether they should be listened to.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:24 am |
    • Ken in Florida

      I totally agree with your assessment. I personally don't care whether Glenn Beck is Christian, Mormon, Baptist or any other religion. When it comes down to it, I don't believe his religion (or lack thereof) has anything to do with his public political views. The only thing that fuels his ideas is celebrity. I think he would say that Jesus and Buddha drink beer together every friday if he thought it would get him ratings and that peope would believe it. He has no regard for the harm he is doing to the unity of the country or the divisive nature of his inflammatory message. If he wants to really help this country get back to it's former glory, quit spouting skewed versions of history and retire.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:35 am |
    • danbeaches

      Hey they support the same ideologies they both hear voices in their heads no one else hears both believe in theocracy. There is no story here two groups of delusional people with a hate agendas and persecution complex on common ground.

      Just another day for the Paranoid Schizophrenics

      August 27, 2010 at 11:40 am |
    • loved*to*love

      I have no interest in determining whether or not Beck is a Christian in light of his Mormonism:

      I have every interest, however, in determining if he is a Christian in light of his love for social justice, and, therefore, his love for Jesus.

      August 27, 2010 at 11:54 am |
    • Maureen

      Beck is a jerk!

      August 27, 2010 at 11:59 am |
    • AllReligionIsPoison com

      All Religion Is Poison. To be religion is to give up all the freedom you have including the ability to make rational decision and follow iron age teachings from primitive man.
      A good person will do bad things ONLY when following religious teachings

      AllReligionIsPoison com

      August 27, 2010 at 12:00 pm |
    • Jessica

      I am going to be honest and admit that i've only seen bits and pieces of Glenn Beck. Watching an entire show of his makes me want to claw my eyeballs out. Why? Because he cant just deliver a point of view – he has to act like a 3 year old child while doing it. Perhaps that works for his main audience, perhaps they get just as annoyed but can overlook it and "hear" the message behind the act. Debate all you want whether he's "delivering the truth" – as we know (or should) the truth is HORRIBLY subjective? Dont believe me...let's use an example. The truth is – americans are fat and lazy. You might say thats a broad statement – (which it is) by overall, it's truth. Which is what Beck does – he doesnt speak to reality, but his perception of it. Which is what we all do – but by calling it the TRUTH his listeners fail to exercise independent thought. (most people do this in general, so im not calling them lemmings – we all are to a certain degree). But anyone truly interested in what the WHOLE truth is – well you arent getting it from Glenn Beck. You wont get it from any TV personality or radio host, because thats not what they are doing. they are selling – as beck calls it "entertainment and enlightenment"...notice which comes first.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:05 pm |
    • glen

      Andrea and others who cry racism, You obviously do not watch Glenn's show. It is a shame the comments that people make to fullfill their own agenda's. This is kind of what this rally is about; Honor. No honorable person would make such statements without proper content being reaserched. That being said, I do appreciate your freedom of speech. Know the truth, and the truth will set you free:)

      August 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
    • Marc W

      Glenn Beck? Hmmm...no better way to grandize a "media hog" such as himself by posting our views on his rhetoric....Now, reading this article, and being a former XTian and Pastor, I have unique views on this matter of his Mormonism. That is, that mainline Christianity and Mormonism are not compatible in any way. The basic premise of Mormonism, that has been quelled over the years are that, "You too can become a god with your own universe and heaven.."; "Celestial (plural) marriage is a gift of God"; "Black men will never be saved....unless they can turn white" (must have been a prophetic Michael Jackson reference) and the list goes on. Now, that being said, the division between faiths because of dogma sickens me to no end. Glenn Beck is entitled to his skewed platforms and opinions...but, let's put all of this into perspective. He is only Glenn Beck. And, that my friends is a silly thing to be. And, to oneStarman and his comment; Isn't trying to define a set of beliefs using the texts of those beliefs kind of like trying to define a word by using the same word? Silly Christians. Hell nor Jesus (except the real historical Jesus) are only figments that we build in our minds to protect us from our very real fear...and this is the same fear that leads us to murder, kill, comdemn, judge and the other things banned by your holy text. Silly humans. We may one day learn to even get along without all of this "fantasy" involved.

      August 27, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    • John

      That's what i was thinking the whole time. I haven't seen much good come out of him. It's scary how many people have come to "follow" him and his message.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:19 pm |
    • Frogist

      @jayb: No one speaks out against Nazis, Mao and Stalin? Really? You seem a little sheltered, my friend.
      @ ron: stop being so paranoid. The reasonthis is coming up now on CNN is that it's happening now. There would be no point in mentioning it two weeks from now... that's why it's called "news."

      August 27, 2010 at 5:15 pm |
    • Mb

      So Glenn showing blacks how important they were in USA history is the racist part or the bigotry part? Obviously you repeat whatever ur told but you have never actually gone to the source! Exactly like those who claim Mormons are not Christian! As for the ratings and advertising money u act like Glenn is forcing people to watch his show. Obviously he is saying things that people agree with and that is why he is popular....funny how freedom works isn't it? Glenn isn't a corrupt preacher trying to make money off of people. He's just a tv personality who has the guts to say what he believes regardless of why people like u say

      August 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm |
    • gwalmer

      Well said, Andrea. So many conservative Christians (of which I am proudly one) need to get their head out the sand and realize that Beck is NOT their friend. He is NOT a Christian. He is NOT for America. He is ONLY for his racist, selfish, me-first version of America. I hope that NEVER becomes the America I live in. As a Christian, I want to exemplify the teaching of Jesus, like his concern for the sick that Beck is so violently, adamantly opposed to.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
    • gwalmer

      @No God, No Religion
      @DC Buckeye

      I find it totally ironic that you fail to see how illogical your argument is. LOL You state that most atheists are "pretty nice, rational people." And, you manage to include yourself in that wonderful category. STILL, you call the beliefs of Christians "fairy tales." You also excoriate them for having "such primitive beliefs." Is not that mockery a perfect example of hate speech? I don't mock you for having primitive beliefs, i.e., many ancient cultures did not believe in GOD (as you don't) so they just made up their own gods (like you deify your intellect over rational argument, personal experience and just plain common sense.). A perfect example of this intellectual god (please note the lower case) is the admission that much of creation displays the signature of an "intelligent creator." Yet since your intellectual giants absolutely refuse to admit even the slightest recognition that God MIGHT exist, they actually say this "intelligent creator" must have been an alien. ALRIGHT. Someone finally thinking on the subject. Oh...wait...where did the alien with this much intelligence come from? Darn...there goes the entire argument. It is exactly this intellectual arrogance that defines the religion you have extreme FAITH in...every bit as much a religion as Christianity. And it takes even more faith to believe your religion. But mine is actuallly proven by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. (If you choose to not believe that, go ahead. But it is historical fact as recorded by concurrent historians.) But go ahead and congratulate yourself. Just remember that your god WILL let you down some day...mine never will!

      August 27, 2010 at 8:38 pm |
    • Frank

      If everyone would step back for once and observe some physical and behavioral signs in Mr. Beck you may find your answer. The erratic behavior, glazed eyes, grandeous ideas, racing thoughts, anger, invincibility. Look it up in the medical books.

      August 28, 2010 at 12:33 am |
    • Anne

      Agreed. I suspect that his true aim is to bear Strange Fruit. He is clearly a deeply disturbed man with some deeply disturbed, frightened, and confused followers. I hope that everyone attending today leaves the event unharmed.

      August 28, 2010 at 9:03 am |
    • Kris in AL




      August 28, 2010 at 9:13 am |
    • JB

      Really, Andrea?? Did you watch or go to his rally? Our countries core beliefs are at stake. Your right to be an atheist could be in jeopardy. Mormons are, in fact, Christians. As is Obama (or so he claims). Now I can't stand Fox news, but I can't stand CNN either. THEY ARE OWNED BY THE SAME PARENT CORPORATION!!! Why do they want us to fight against each other? What could they possibly gain from us being divided? Oh, maybe they know "A house divided cannot stand". These people want our country to fail, so they can provide the solution; ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

      August 29, 2010 at 11:50 am |
    • nickwolf

      Sat Glen Beck attempted to attain or attempted to show that he had already attained "Godhood". He followed the exact same strategy as all fascists do.
      Sew hate and fear every day, then, speak to the masses as if your just "Uncle Benito".....one of the ones who loves his country! This has always been the way fascists come to power. And Beck wants power!
      He never debates his historically debunked, pathetically inaccurate statements and says he's not a newsman. What he also does not tell anyone is that he is totally unqualified to speak on history or anything else.
      He constantly twists the historical written position on our founding fathers like Jefferson and Franklin. Washington would have had him arrested by point of bayonet for the treason he speaks. His inability to respect duly elected majority leaders and the laws they pass ...... is treason! The laws of the land are just that....to advocate they not be followed is treason. Check out what Washington did during the Whiskey Rebellion. Beck has done the same thing with his Christian upbringing he deserted it! He has publicly stated that if your pastor of priest speaks of "Social Justice" you should leave your Church! Well my pastor told me that from the first word of Jesus Christ to the last, "Christian Social Justice" is Christianity.....without it you don't have Christianity!
      So while Becks drug induced damaged soul , bears false witness on his neighbors and his Country for personal power and wealth....I will stick to Jesus Christ who I am sure weeps at Becks comments. But Beware Beck...after injuring Jesus comes the reckoning.....the judgement...and yours will be terrible indeed!

      August 29, 2010 at 1:51 pm |
    • prayer warior

      It is so sad as to what is happening in America today. However, do not be alarmed because we are living in the last and evil days. God is yet in control. Pray for Glenn Beck and other haters. The bible tell s that we must all stand before the judgementt seat of God and give an account of all of our sins.

      August 29, 2010 at 9:49 pm |
    • Myron

      Jesus gave the definition of a Christian.
      (New Testament | John 13:35)
      By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
      So...Is Beck loving? If so, yes; if not, no.
      Are there any atheist Christians? Or Muslim Christians? According to Jesus, the answer has to be "Yes."
      Are there any anti-Christ Christians? Judging by some of these comments, the answer has to again be "Yes."
      So maybe, if I want Jesus to consider me a Christian, I just need to be more loving.

      August 29, 2010 at 11:28 pm |
    • diogenes49

      Three cheers Andrea. Mr. Beck has made the statement that in effect it's not about theology, it's about values. That is exactly what a Mormon, who wants to fellowship with Christians would say. The problem is, it is about Theology.

      August 30, 2010 at 11:10 pm |
    • Kathleen

      Andrea, You said it all. Need We say more? No, thanks for the top reply. Number 1.!!!!!!!

      September 9, 2010 at 4:10 pm |
  19. kurt

    Who cares. Neither Mormons nor traditional Christians are particularly dangerous. All variants of Christianity are domesticated at this point. The only utterly wild and aggressive major religion floating around is Islam. Having avoided progress for the last 600 years, it's unbridled and dangerous. As an atheist, I've no particular reason to choose Christianity (or Judaism) over Islam in this sense. All religions are more or less stupid as far as I'm concerned, but all things being equal, Islam is a wolf, and Christianity in all of its forms, comprises different breeds of domesticated dog.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:42 am |
    • phil

      Christianity is just as dangerous as ever. It's a lot less like a domesticated dog than it is trained lion held in captivity by liberal civilization. Let it loose (or scare it a little) and watch out, Siegfried and Roy are gonna get eaten alive.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:10 am |
    • Sam

      I think the Jews who lived under thousands of years of hatred, bigotry, pogroms, and other state sponsored violence culminating in a genocide would like to maybe say a word about Christianity being a peaceful loving religion. And when an Evangelical lies to get us into a war that kills over 100,000 people, I think that really doesn't qualify as domesticated. People are the problem, they just use the excuse of religion, ideology, race, etc.. Basically humans are scum. Except I don't have Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or Zoroastrians looking to persecute and oppress me here in the name of religion, it is only Christians who use their ignorance to control us. So sorry if I can't agree that Christians are necessarily "domesticated", at least I won't feel comfortable until their idiotic, and all idiotic beliefs are thrown away.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:17 am |
    • LaGryphon

      @dcw perhaps you are right...... In aligning himself with Mo's he has found kindred thought patterns.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:45 am |
    • Byron

      You will care if God chooses to save you.
      It is hard to care when you're not a real Christian.
      Check out Romans 8:14-17 in the King James Bible to see if it helps you care.
      The whole chapter is cool too.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:58 am |
      • GG


        August 27, 2010 at 11:13 am |
    • Phred

      @Byron it's not possible to "care" if you're a "Christian". You've already swallowed the cool aid. Since "God" is a fictional character, his relevance is moot. You should read, oh, a book. And stop quoting the King James (closet case) edition, of the latin translation, of the greek interpretation of the earlier writings of various people who were never around in the early days of christianity.

      August 27, 2010 at 3:41 am |
      • Robert

        Well stated. The history of the bible from a purely historic perspective is quite fascinating. To get started try "Don't Know Much About the Bible" by Kenneth C. Davis.

        August 27, 2010 at 4:58 pm |
    • andronicus

      i am a christian and i agree with much of what you say.

      But the gospels are committed to nonviolent rebellion against oppressors, there is no sanction for killing in the name of God. the old testament is another matter and is not as applicable due to the fact that much of it was merely setting the stage for the new testament, somewhat of a contrast between the law and grace, as well as many other reasons but that is for a religious debate.

      August 27, 2010 at 4:40 am |
      • Frogist

        @andronicus: The old testament is not applicable? I often find this to be a confusing statement coming from christians. The god of the old testament is the same god as the new testament. This idea that the old testament is no longer valid is almost unbelievably ridiculous.Why do christians say the old testament is not valid so they don't have to take any reponsibility for the violence done in it's name but at the ssame time they want to follow the bible word for word and that is justification for saying gay people are sinners?

        August 27, 2010 at 11:11 am |
        • oneStarman - Walla Walla, WA

          @FROGIST – The God of the Old Testament IS quite different from the God of Jesus and Paul (much different than Jesus) because it is WE who have changed. However, Jesus did not come to do away with the Old Testament – he came to Fulfill it. Just because we don't think of the world as composed of the Elements of Earth – Water – Air – Fire anymore; the world of Atoms is no more real – we can say that there are states which we call Solid – Liquid – Gaseous – Plasma. Just states of MIND.

          August 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm |
        • Frogist

          @oneStarman: He may seem different but at no time does he become another god or claim to be another god. One of the tenets of christianity is the unchanging ever presence of god. Even god cannot escape himself and his own words and deeds. So how does what you say justify ignoring half of your holy book but blindly following the other half?

          August 27, 2010 at 5:58 pm |
        • Tranquil

          When someone boast about what a good Christian he/she is, I count the silverware. A true Christian teaches by example and doesn't need claim credit as a Christian. She/He just is. This, incidentally, applies to all religious faiths.

          August 27, 2010 at 1:38 pm |
    • Paul in Long Beach CA


      Please go away. If we do not believe in your false religion in the first place, what makes you think that you can argue against us WITHIN your religion?

      We already know Christianity is a compilation of different religions, plagiarized. After millions of years of being around, why did your savior come only 2000 years ago? Where was his appearance 10,000 years ago when humans were still undergoing great pain?

      Let me guess...It was God's Plan? LOL!

      August 27, 2010 at 5:04 am |
    • Doug

      Hey Kurt, Have you heard about Mathew Sheppard ? The christians are no different.. They all have the same hate, some just hide it better...

      August 27, 2010 at 5:42 am |
    • Jeremy

      @Phred and Paul in Long Beach CA,

      Why so offended by this person's opinion. They have the right to both accept and express their own beliefs. And Phred – you're response is just a failed attempt to sound intelligent or like you know what you are talking about. You're hatred of religion has caused just as much problems as other people's love for their religion. You are on EXACTLY the same playing field you retard.

      August 27, 2010 at 6:29 am |
    • John

      Ask a gay in Ghana if Christianity is domesticated.

      Or the Muslims in Florida who had a Christian terrorist try to firebomb their mosque during evening prayers.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:23 am |
    • paul

      @john – In the article you pasted where is the part about the bomber being a christian? just interested. perhaps you have knowledge of the situation that isn't in the article that could helpful to readers and the police. just saying...

      August 27, 2010 at 8:40 am |
    • Jonee

      Actually, in the middle ages, Islam was much more enlightened than Christianity. Christians and Jews were allowed to worship freely in Muslim nations while in Europe, you had people being burned at the stake. It's really only recently as a reaction to imperialism that Islam has become the fundamentalist monster we know today.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:55 am |
    • Retired Army in San Antonio

      @Paul......I don't believe that anyone can show that the bomber is Christian; particularly since the bomber hasn't been caught. However, I do believe that video shows the bomber to be a White male.....which in this country and particularly in northeast Florida, PRESUMES the bomber to be Christion.


      August 27, 2010 at 9:55 am |
    • Ryan

      Nice comment Kurt!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:02 am |
    • Ryan

      This is a real good discussion, unlike most of these blogs. Nice and civil.
      Jonee- great comment. Shame is that most people wouldnt know that because they dont know history.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:06 am |
    • RZ

      @Kurt – I was born a Muslim, will live as a Muslim, and will die as a Muslim God-Willing. I am please with Allah as my Lord, Islam as my religion, and Muhammad as my prophet. If practicing my religion and believing in it makes me a 'radical' or a 'wolf' then I am a proud 'radical wolf'!!!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:07 am |
    • mf2

      This whole article is disturbing. Damn you CNN for covering this as news, and feeding the fire of growing idiocracy in this country.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:07 am |
    • pullmyfinger

      He's a Jack-Mormon at best, which means they take his money but 'No Temple" for the lush....."No Soup for You"!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:16 am |
    • Curt

      I agree all religions are stupid and toxic. They engage in idiots diatribes based on holy scriptures full of contradiction and nonsense. The trully important position is to defend First Amendment Freedoms and stand against intolerance and totalaterian thinking.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:19 am |
    • UncleM

      Christians have rabies

      August 27, 2010 at 10:22 am |
    • ep_vet

      #1, your first mistake is that Mormons are not Christians!

      They didn't revolt from the roman church (like protestants) nor did they have an origin in the holy lands, like most other mono-theistic religions. Believe it or not, look it up in the Book of Mormon, God came down in a spaceship and Jesus was a great teacher and a kind man.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:26 am |
    • Stephen

      Nicely said...I am also an atheist and hold no stock in any religion. Beck is deluded and condescending. His platitudes make my skin crawl and I feel that people that want/need a pied piper, with no compass follow any one that can sell their drivel, ergo Beck. YUK!

      August 27, 2010 at 10:31 am |
    • jbr

      I would rather a mosque constructed next door to me than Mr. Jim Garlow's "loving" christian church. These are dangerous men with foolish followers.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:34 am |
    • Kari

      @beckviewer You did not just say that Glen Beck has contributed to African American discourse did you? You're unstable.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:36 am |
  20. washingmachine

    This is the problem with Beck and Palin and Gingrich...and all the other so called "Christians". They are so judgmental and narrow minded that people like me are completely turned off. When I hear these people claim Christianity as their religion, it makes me distance myself from the religion. I grew up going to church and even spent two years in divinity school, but now I reject mainstream Christianity and have my own relationship with God which is based on the teachings of Christ as I learned them in my life. Christians are supposed to bring people into the fold, but these right wing evangelicals are actually making people turn away from religion.

    August 27, 2010 at 1:41 am |
    • Jared

      Where is the 'like' button?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:02 am |
      • Anonymous

        Anyone who claims they are a Christian and support Glenn Beck's Mormon religion they are fake Christians too. This is a fake counterfeit Christian religion and Glenn an these people are deceiving people away from the true Gospel in opposition to true Christianity!l

        August 29, 2010 at 3:06 am |
        • Kris in AL


          August 31, 2010 at 5:25 am |
        • CherryAnn

          Absolutely right on!

          September 1, 2010 at 4:22 pm |
    • Kate


      CNN's Belief blogs haven't discovered the Intense Debate plugin for WordPress yet, so there ain't one ๐Ÿ˜›

      Give them a decade or so, just be happy they actually have a comments section to begin with unlike some other sites ๐Ÿ™‚

      August 27, 2010 at 2:05 am |
    • Ichthus

      Amen. I too feel that God is not being well represented by such people. I also agree that their actions turn away those whose spiritual thirst is parching them. If they cannot find rest and relief in the words of those who claim Christ as their savior, what can they do?

      August 27, 2010 at 2:19 am |
      • melthemean

        They're "hungry ghosts," to use a Tibetan phrase: tormented beings who are starving to death from their inner nothingness

        August 27, 2010 at 4:18 pm |
    • jo an

      Actually they are not Christians...they are pretenders...Jesus would chase them out of the Temple...like he did the money changers..he would call them vipers and all the things he called the rigid Jews of His day...give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves...

      August 27, 2010 at 2:21 am |
      • Atlanta Doc

        You do realize that Mormons, like myself, may read your comment? I found it hurtful that you would harbor such feelings.

        August 27, 2010 at 10:07 am |
      • BJJ Rules

        Judgemental much???? Perhaps you should head down to the bar and order youself a big tall glass of get-the-heck-over-yourself!!!!!

        August 27, 2010 at 11:41 am |
    • Al

      Good for you! Stay true to your values.

      August 27, 2010 at 2:36 am |
    • veggiedude

      "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." – Gandhi

      August 27, 2010 at 3:35 am |
      • Anonymous

        Not everyone is a Christian just because they call themselves one! Read the real bible not the changed one by Joseph Smith in the 18th Century!

        September 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm |
    • Reverend Jay Bonwell

      To say that these individuals or others that you label right wing or evangelical are or are not Christians is a debatable point on each individual according to the precepts of scripture.

      The attitude you state about being judgmental and narrow minded is misstated. To stand up without budging from evil may be narrow minded and judgmental, but it is not wrong. Scripture tells us to judge all things "with righteous judgment" and to first get the log out of our own eye so that we can see clearly to get the speck out of others. This does not mean don't judge or compromise morality just for the sake of harmony. Yes, we are to bring others into the fold, BUT NEVER AT THE EXPENSE OF CHRIST'S PRINCIPLES. This is false morality, deception and intellectual dishonesty. Do bible believing Christians make mistakes that hinder others from receiving Christ, yes, but be careful not to make the exception the rule or to throw the baby out with the bathwater. To be Christian is to stand up for Godly principles and to oppose evil. Abortion is the murder of the unborn (but a child according to scripture), homosexuality is evil. These are evils that must be spoken against. Socialism destroys morality and is evil. It is forced upon people rather than being a freedom of being able to choose what is right. This also brings about some of the greatest oppression in modern history. To oppose evil's such as these may be narrow minded and judgmental, but is not wrong. As Christian's we are called to be narrow minded about God's morals and to judge all things with righteous judgment. God's morals are not debatable. The opposite view of this is "and they all did what was right in their own eyes."

      Scripture is clear, "Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Scripture also tells us that if we live a Godly life we "will be persecuted." There are only two groups that are politically correct to discriminate against and make fun of, first are BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIANS, and second, fat people.

      Maybe it's time to seek God's truth not yours.

      In the love of authority of Christ Jesus,

      Reverend Jay Bonwell

      August 27, 2010 at 3:41 am |
    • Diva1

      I understand your viewpoint, but Christanity is a personal relationship between you and God. If you study the scriptures and follw Gods' word, you can be saved. We cannot look at what other people are doing, we have to get our lives right. God will not accept the excuse that others were not living right so I did not get involved with Christanity. Chirst established one church everyone that claims to be a Christian is not acceptable to God. What are you doing with your life? I say this as an encouragement, not as a beat down. God bless you in your choices.

      August 27, 2010 at 4:15 am |
    • Jamoke


      God will not accept excuses? The merciful one? Why would God need to ask? Wouldn't God already know? Just how merciful are we talking about here? If it's a personal relationship, then why do we need you to tell us these things? Couldn't God tell us?

      August 27, 2010 at 4:25 am |
    • rudy

      true that

      August 27, 2010 at 4:36 am |
    • Rick

      โ€Ž"I say on the air all time, 'if you take what I say as gospel, you're an idiot."
      โ€”Glenn Beck, New York Times, March 29, 2009

      August 27, 2010 at 5:24 am |
    • Charles


      August 27, 2010 at 5:36 am |
    • Doug

      As soon as someone tells me they are christian, I move my wallet to my front pocket.. they will rob you without a gun and have an excuse for doing so.. Hypocrites every last one of them !

      August 27, 2010 at 5:40 am |
      • jan

        Doug, I am a Christian, and I don't want to be a hypocrite. Please be patient with me, I'm Christian, but I'm a human and make many mistakes.

        August 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm |
    • Hugo

      @washingmachine – perhaps you should start your own church or look around at your local non-denominational churches and see if their beliefs are compatible with yours. (You might be surprised, if you live in or near a big enough city. I got lucky and found one.)

      August 27, 2010 at 6:35 am |
    • AFSOC 1st Sgt

      Doug writes, "As soon as someone tells me they are christian, I move my wallet to my front pocket.. they will rob you without a gun and have an excuse for doing so.. Hypocrites every last one of them !

      You can substitute "Democrat" for "christian" in the sentence above and I'll agree with the sentiment.

      August 27, 2010 at 6:44 am |
    • bestglenn

      Beck is an idiot. Makes me ashamed that his mother named him after me.

      "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
      โ€” Steven Weinberg

      The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823.

      "...if by a liberal they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people – their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, their civil liberties... if that is what they mean by a "liberal" then I am proud to be a liberal." ~ John F. Kennedy

      August 27, 2010 at 7:12 am |
    • John

      There's whatever deity you believe in, and there's you. Your personal beliefs are a matter between you and the divine.

      Why muddy the waters with Bibles and Korans and Upanishads and preachers and pastors and priests and rabbis and imams? Religion came about as a way for man to try to understand his place in a world where he understood little. Organized religion came about as a way for priest-kings to easily control the masses by holding the power of life and death over them, not only in this world, but in an afterlife. You might be willing to die in revolt to a king, an emperor, a pharaoh, but are you willing to jeopardize your eternity? This practice continues still, with Catholic religious leaders in the U.S. frequently threatening to refuse communion to politicians who don't do what they want.

      Why buy into the charlatans and snake oil salesmen? Cut religious "leaders" out of your spiritual life. Keep your relationship with the divine between you and the divine.

      August 27, 2010 at 7:21 am |
    • Loubo

      Mormons are not christians. Read Revelations. It says it all. You cannot make any changes in the Bible. Mormons have made changes.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:17 am |
      • ParkerNC

        Here we are on the attack again. Why so brutal? By the way, the bible has been edited numerous times. Scriptures changed, books added/deleted. Looks like you should do some reading to see what changes our own church has made for their good before attacking the Mormons. Your sweet book of Revelation wasnโ€™t even added to the bible until around 353 A.D. Howโ€™s that for an edit?

        August 27, 2010 at 10:27 am |
        • Reality

          History as we know it the 21st century:

          1. There was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no bases.

          2. There was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

          3. There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

          4. There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completes fails as a religion.

          5. There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is therefore nothing more than a business cult.

          6. Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes and reincarnations i.e. Hinduism fails as a religion.

          7.Reincarnated, fat Buddhas here, reincarnated, skinny Buddhas there, Buddhas everwhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

          8.A horned god, a triple goddess, voodoo and hoodoo and therefore Paganism comes crashing down on the rocks of rationality.

          August 27, 2010 at 10:45 am |
        • Reality

          To reiterate, it is all about the founders of the major religions and their favorite "tinker bell(s)" aka angel.

          Joe Smith had his Moroni.

          Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

          Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tinkerer" got around).

          Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented.

          The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

          Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

          Some added references to "tinker bells".

          "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

          Apparently hallucinations did not end with Joe Smith.

          August 27, 2010 at 10:49 am |
        • oneStarman - Walla Walla, WA

          ANGELS are messengers from God. I see them all the time – although THEY think they are ONLY human. The ONE GOD is a God with 13 Billion Eyes – and 13 Billion Hands – Quantum Mechanics th the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle tells us that without an Observer the quanta of existence remain only probability without differentiation into specificity – therefore a UNITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS is required to Manifest REALITY. – NAMASTE

          August 27, 2010 at 11:11 am |
        • Anonymous

          masquerading as apostles of Christ.
          No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light
          .2nd Corinthian 11:13-14

          August 29, 2010 at 6:01 pm |
        • MrNirom

          Have you actually read 2 Corinthians 11:13-14? Paul is writing to the Church members at Corinth. He is not prophesying about the future. He is saying that in his day.. Satan is sending in false apostles. Men who were calling themselves Apostles. This was all based on the report that was received by Titus.

          There has not been another Apostle called upon this earth since they were all killed in the time after Christ. For almost 1800 years.. God has not called an Apostle on this earth. For the Christian world... the Apostolic calling is dead.

          Funny how you can take a man like Saul.. the greatest persecutor of the Christian faith.. and believe that he received a vision and was changed overnight to become a great Apostle of the Lord... yet.. your faith ends there.

          It is by the Grace of God that man can be saved.. but to be saved.. he must have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. And to have faith is more that to just "believe"... for even the devils believe. It takes action! Faith.. without works... is dead. And we will all be judged by Christ on our works... whether they be good.. or evil.

          In 325 AD.. It took about 320 Bishops out of 1800 to decide that the people would worship a Trinitarian God. They decided that Jesus Christ could not be the literal son of God.. but had to be a manifestation of him. So they created this ONE God theory and each GOD of the trinity was manifesting himself in 3 different ways. Talk about another Gospel!! They literally took from God his individualism and created something more to their liking. Competing with the Roman and Greek Gods must have been difficult. They needed one a bit more "mystical".

          So we now have an 18th Century man.. that did indeed have an angel deliver and restore the Gospel to mankind. To undo the other Gospel that had been created by Satan... and bring mankind to the knowledge of the error of their ways.

          It is sad to think that those of the Christian faith would disagree on anything.. if what they were teaching was the truth. For there is only ONE truth.. not 2 or 3 or 10 or 100. Man and his created Christian faiths... and you can't see that all of these are "another gospel".

          August 30, 2010 at 12:00 am |
        • oneStarman - Walla Walla, WA

          ANGELS are messengers from God. I see them all the time โ€“ although THEY think they are ONLY human. The ONE GOD is a God with 13 Billion Eyes โ€“ and 13 Billion Hands โ€“ Quantum Mechanics th the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle tells us that without an Observer the quanta of existence remain only probability without differentiation into specificity โ€“ therefore a UNITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS is required to Manifest REALITY. โ€“ NAMASTE

          August 27, 2010 at 11:12 am |
        • Emmitt Langley

          The Bible wasn't cannonized till the four century. So your point is nullified right there. There were no book added after it was cannonized. But we have early references from every book of the Bible from the early church Fathers. So as early as 100 AD we have references from the writings of the church fathers that the 27 books were considered inspired.

          You say that text was later added to these books. There are 0 biblical scholars who agree with you. But if you have proof, please, by all means, enlighten us. Thx!

          August 27, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
        • Reality

          Most contemporary NT exegetes have concluded that about 70% of the passages in the NT are add-ons. (e.g. Crossan Borg, Funk, Vermes, Pagels, Meyer, Mack, Doherty, Ehrman, Eisenman, Fredriksen, Ludemann, Macoby, Meier, Sanders, Freke and Gandy, Horsley, Strauss, Holtzmann, Bultmann, Kasemann, Robinson and Schweitzer). Even Thomas Jefferson gave the NT a thumbs down.

          August 27, 2010 at 1:13 pm |
        • jonathan

          Now why in the you know where would I want to take anything from any of those who you mentioned..they're all dead men..ut Jesus is alive!!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚

          August 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm |
        • Reality

          There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

          August 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm |
      • melthemean

        Mormans didn't change any words in the Bible.

        August 27, 2010 at 4:11 pm |
    • anglophile american

      Do you think that these people believe that there will be few people who are the chosen ones any way. So if you don't take to the bible's harsh message of damnation you were not meant to be saved.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:19 am |
    • True North

      Well said washingmachine. Glenn Beck and Palin promoting Christianity is something like Hitler promoting multi-culturalism. Rather leaves a foul taste in your mouth. Rather frightening as well to think that the two of them subtly imply that if you are not a Christian, you are not really a true American. A dangerous path in political speak.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:39 am |
    • Swabia

      Given your background I don't think that you would understand why the major denominations of Christianity reject Mormonism as a Christian church, seeing as you no longer feel the need to be a part of a church. The Churches see Mormonism as non-Christian because of their acceptance of Joseph Smith as a Prophet, and their Book of Mormon as Scripture, two things that are completely unacceptable with the Gospels and Christ (Jesus is held to be the last prophet of Christianity as Messiah, with all the holy people coming after Him being saints, and the Book of Mormon is a product of 1800s America, not of ancient Israel or of the time of Christ's life on earth and the early ministry of the Church).
      As for Glenn Beck, I don't feel any ill will towards him, because I've never really listened to anything that he says.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:49 am |
      • Jeff

        @Swabia – Funny thing is, God couldn't have given you the authority to say what's acceptable to Him and unacceptable to Him w/o revelation, which denotes a prophetic calling, which you claim is no more. So you can't have the right to say who's Christian and who's not.
        As far as Christ being the last prophet, since Christ didn't claim that, maybe you'd be safer not to.
        Don't forget that Peter received revelation as leader of the Church that the gospel should go to the Gentiles. That sounds a lot like prophetic revelation to me. Would you be a Christian now if Peter hadn't received that revelation as you suggest he shouldn't have done?
        Oh, and since He says that He gives Apostles and Prophets until we all come to a unity of the faith, and since we CLEARLY have not gotten there yet, that means that you think He's not keeping that promise.
        We need continuing revelation to one who speaks for God now more than ever in history.

        August 27, 2010 at 10:13 am |
      • Braden

        You know what's funny about people like "Swabia ". They make the same arguments against Joesph Smith that many non believers make against evangelicals.
        -You believe is a Prophet that talks to God directly? (today or 1000 years ago..its all silly if you think about it)
        -You believe in holy writ inspired from God? (Never mind the Bible mentions several other books not included in the Bible)
        -Jesus is held to be the last prophet of Christianity as Messiah. (Never Mind Amos 3:7 or Luke referring to Silas and Judas as prophets Or Paul's mentioning of a Prophet Agabus )
        -Saying the Book of Mormon is a product on the 1800's is like any non believer saying the Bible is mostly a product of man's imagination...
        What's the difference?

        August 27, 2010 at 12:29 pm |
      • Chris R


        How do you explain different versions of the Bible then? In some the wording is different, others have different books, and so forth. Which Bible, in your view, is the true one and which ones are heretical fakes?

        August 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm |
        • Anonymous

          AUTHENTIC Christianity all have the basic tenets of the faith. They agree on the majors and may slightly disagree on things such minor things as when Christ will return before the Tribulation or after the Tribulation? The Basic Tenets of the 4 Gospels all agree in the physical death, burial and physical bodily Resurrection of Christ and that he alone paid for Salvation on the Cross with his blood and that we are saved by Grace through faith for believing in him. You can research the tenets of the real faith doctrine. Stay clear of the ones changed by 18th Century men claiming an angel gave them another gospel.

          August 29, 2010 at 6:07 pm |
        • Kris in AL


          August 31, 2010 at 5:22 am |
    • ktw123

      Seriously...CNN where's the like button. This is the first time in a long time that I've seen legitimate, thought out comments on a comment section. Well done people.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:51 am |
    • Ben

      While it's personal, it is not private. We are called as a people, and community and fellowship are integral.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:55 am |
    • Bertina

      Hilarious. As an atheist I love it when christians eat each other.

      August 27, 2010 at 8:59 am |
    • foodshark

      Funny – these comments talk of Christians being critical and judgmental; and yet, the comments being posted are in themselves critical and judgmental...something of those living in glass houses...

      August 27, 2010 at 9:08 am |
    • Mother Carmody

      You speak with the devil's tongue. There is but only one true god and that liberal Glenn Beck speaks lies on behalf of false ones, leading us astray and into COMMUNISM. Thou shalt burn in hellfire for your lies.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:13 am |
    • Jack

      I'm a Christian and I cuss, drink alcohol, and have told lies. Christ Jesus loves everyone including those of you who judge another Christian such as Beck. We Christians are not perfect but the media likes to remind everyone of our faults exclusively. God forbid we challenge perveted teachings of the Islam faith or any other. If Beck was a raging liberal, most of you wouldn't have a problem with him being Morman and being in Wahsington on the day MLK gave his speech. Get over politics and love your neighbor. I for one will not judge you. God will being doing that on Judgement day. GO HOKIES!

      August 27, 2010 at 9:20 am |
    • vince

      Glenn Beck is not a Christian is even really a mormon. I was always told that people who deceive with evil in their heart and hatred for everything is the Devil little Helper. So lets not dechristenize the Satan worshipper.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:28 am |
    • Listener

      It was the church and Religion which crucified Jesus. It would be the same today. Religion is always potentially destructive; it is God inspired Faith which saves.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:28 am |
      • dsldex

        It was religion that did kill Jesus. His beliefs were different than those of the Jews!

        August 27, 2010 at 10:34 am |
        • Brownstain

          People who believe in sky boogiemen are dillusional

          August 27, 2010 at 10:40 am |
        • Surthurfurd

          More accurately the establishment was the ones Jesus' views clashed with. When religions become controlled by established powers, they often promote ideals opposite to the founder's notions.

          August 27, 2010 at 11:15 am |
    • idealist

      I don't want a "like" button... I want a 'LOVE AND TOTALLY AGREE" button...

      August 27, 2010 at 9:29 am |
    • Lew

      Evangelicals, Mormons, Heredi Jews, Islamists...all people we should be very afraid. Those who put logic behind them and replace it with blind faith put us all in danger. These so called Evangelicals are the worst, they tought there great moral values yet support policies that are detrimental to the average American. If these folks would just start thinking for themselves instead of buying hook line and sinker what their preacher and Glenn Beck tell them there might be hope for actual logical debate once again. These people are mindless mimicing robots....it truly makes me sick.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:35 am |
    • Steve

      That's true... but even more profound, people like this are turning me off from conservativism!

      August 27, 2010 at 9:37 am |
    • MadDogDad

      If I read it right the article is about others being judgmental of Glenn Beck, not him being judgemental of others. He is the one inviting others to join him. He is the one taking action to make things right. As a Mormon, I have experienced much of the prejudice illustrated by this article and in the comments. Mormons are too busy trying to live their faith and make the world better to spend any time attacking others. There are no anti- books at the bookstore written by Mormons. But there are dozens of anti-Mormon books, many written by well-meaning people who believe they are doing good when they attack those who are doing the work of the Savior, and when they destroy the faith of others.
      For those pompous enough to set themselves up as judges who can determine which churches are truly Christian and which are not, I suggest you reread the scripture that says, By their fruits ye shall know them. Even within particular denominations there are those who are truly followers of the Savior, and those who are self-righteous, judgemental, and bigoted.
      The gospel is not a system of beliefs to be argued over. It is a way of life. Those who spend their days bringing their lives more in line with the teachings of the Savior are the true Christians, regardless of whatever the name of their church. Like all of us, Glenn is a mix of strengths and weaknesses. Because of the work he does he is highly visible and therefore an easy target for those who do little more that pick, argue, and snipe and others.
      Rather than argue over whether he is a true Christian or not, many in the Christian community have joined with him to do the work of the Savior in our day. I think those that can do the Lord's work, without judgement and prejudice, are the true Christians.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:40 am |
      • DownToEarth8

        If you watch one segment of his show you'll realize that hes a racist, intolerant fear-monger that hides behind the constitution and religion. I want the evangelicals to give Beck the same treatment that he has probably been giving the Muslim people a lot more of lately: Your religion isn't as good as mine.

        August 27, 2010 at 10:33 am |
      • SanDiego

        Great comment. Spot on MadDogDad!

        August 27, 2010 at 1:29 pm |
      • bblack

        What is the "Lords' work".......i agree with you about being out of focus on what is important and what is our task . But i disagree with you on the issue of judgement. We are to use judgement .....but we have to learn how to judge rightly. My understanding of what the Lords' work is to know the Truth and to speak the Truth to anyone who is willing to listen.
        AS it is written ....."sanctify them with thy Word for Thy Word is Truth"
        You may recall when the Lord feed the masses that was because he had compassion for them having listen to him talk for quite a while and he saw that they were hungry........so feeding the hungry or these other charitable work is not what we are to focus on. We are to grow in Spirit and understanding and share this with everyone . Thank you for letting me share this thought with you ......

        August 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm |
    • ShirleyL

      Don't turn away from religion - there is too much good there - just look at the life of Jesus and live accordingly. Glenn Beck, et al, use religion for their own fame and as a club to beat people over the head.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:41 am |
    • wittman

      Very well spoken, sir.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:46 am |
    • dahlia

      Bible believing christians should never endorse any political figures. They should never take political side. However, what we need to do is pray for folks like Glen Beck, the President, all the leaders that are in the position to make executive decisions that will affect everyone. Pray for God to convict them and to guide them according to God's Laws. Because the direction I see the leaders of the world is trying to steer the world cant be benefiical for the future- whatever is moral wrong in today's world is political correct...

      August 27, 2010 at 9:47 am |
    • derek

      Washingmachine......uhm, didn't Jesus say that be brought a sword that .....divides? You better figure which side of the divide wanna be on.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:47 am |
    • Susan

      I agre with you, however, it's not up to ANY Christians to question another's faith. Judge not.....
      And then using the excuse of not doing organized religion, and instead having a personal relationship with God, is actually a cop-out and against what the Bible teaches. So, before you go and continue to make statements like that, brush up on the Word.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:47 am |
    • Coach P

      I will begin with two FACTS. (1) If you are a Christian, you follow Jesus Christ by doing your best to do what the Bible says. Anyone who does not take the Bible that seriously is really not a Christian. (2) The Bible has so many warnings about people like Glen Beck (those who masquerade as Christians) that it would be impossible to catalog them all here. For anyone who claims Christianity to attend, promote, associate with and/or endorse in anything that Glen Beck is doing or saying in any way is an indication of either ignorance of or disregard for what the Bible states plainly.

      Now let me conclude with an opinion. It is ironic (and sad) that so many well-intended "conservative" people and leaders are so desperate to get their agenda and point of view in the spotlight that they are supporting a man who has many of the same characteristics that they find so scary about President Barack Obama. From the "conservative" perspective, we should be wary of Barack Obama because he came out of nowhere, and we don't know anything about him. Ditto for Glen Beck, but it doesn't seem to matter. From the "conservative" perspective, we should be alarmed about Barack Obama's hazy and strange religious background. But, somehow Glen Beck, whose religion is based on things like a white salamander showing Joseph Smith stone tables under a rock, polygamy, church dogma declaring that blacks were sub-human and not being allowed to be part of their churches until recently...somehow there is nothing to worry about with him. It's that Obama fellow we should be afraid of.

      August 27, 2010 at 9:49 am |
      • Jennifer M

        One person's "fact" is another person's opinion.

        August 27, 2010 at 10:39 am |
        • aten

          One persons fantasy is anothers fact!

          August 27, 2010 at 10:53 am |
    • Jeff

      @Loubo – True, it says in Revelations 22:18 that no man should add to these things.
      But it says the same thing in Deut 4:2, so doesn't that make John as bad as the Mormons?
      Hold on – If it really means what you say it means, then John wouldn't have written 1 John, 2 John and 3 John 4-5 years after Revelations!
      Maybe you don't understand that scripture right.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:01 am |
    • adam

      Judgmental people are evil sinners who are going to hell.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:03 am |
      • Rick - Ex-Marine, Liberal

        @Adam – I know you are but what am I? You say don't be judgemental or you'll go to hell? Guess you're on your way Adam.

        August 27, 2010 at 11:23 am |
      • foodshark

        hopefully you are not judging judgmental people...

        August 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm |
    • Mary

      well said.

      "The left loves to slam him and do so viscerally and often with vulgarities." is so hypocritical.....this is exactly what these types of christians do to anyone who questions "their interpretations" of Christ's teachings. Or they will use name calling that is perhaps not vulgar still just the opposite of Christ's teachings......They have failed at the golden rule and refuse to see it.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:30 am |
    • rsfselig

      has Glen Beck tried to convert you to his religious beliefs? If not than don't mix issues his insight and political views are of great interest and they do awaken the mind to what is hppening in our country.those evangelicals that are opposing him need to be very clear on what premises and their motives.

      August 27, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    • Robert

      I am an atheist but I have found the comments on this article quite interesting. I do have some thoughts that I would like to hear comments. 1) Doesn't this argument extend well beyond Mr. Beck and Mormonism? Between the christian belief there are great differences; speaking in tongues for example. Exactly whose particular brand of religion sets the standard? 2) Are the catholics considered christians? I suspect not but they have existed for centuries and dwarf christian religions in purported members.3) All christian churches claim to be able to trace their lineage back to the original church, which is the true successor of the lineage (assuming there is one.) 4) In reference to the "judge a tree by the fruit it bears" mantra, do you really believe that Jesus was a god of judgment (judge not lest you be judged) and hatred (killing of abortion doctors) or should the fruit be the personification of the one purpose gave to the church, the great commission? I am just a pagan who wonders about such things. Peace All

      August 27, 2010 at 4:49 pm |
    • Michael R.

      Very dangerous when someone uses religion to arose anger in a group of people as Mr. Beck is doing. Very dangerous. Funny he talks about threats to this country and he's one of the biggest. A nation that's so divided is not strong and will not prosper. Mr. Beck is a virus.

      August 27, 2010 at 6:09 pm |
    • mike M

      Glenn Beck is a dry drunk, thinks he is in recovery. takes advantage of the ignorant. hypocrit. he miss leads, and yells at everyone. great way to practice those spiritual principles u learn in recovery from twelve steps. glenn must hate himself a lot cause he treats every1 horrible and uses every1 for money and ratings. he lies and gets caught and noone seems to have an issue with it. cause they still listen to him. STOP WATCHING HIS PATHETIC SHOW. the founding fathers would be ashamed. he preaches that he knows what the founding fathers believed in. when in fact the founding father were not christians as christianity was not the major religion. sorry beck reality is christianity was spread and abused by those preeaching it through out history . and u beck create fear from nothing over nothing so people follow u and give u ratings and enable your insanity. may "god" have mercy on your soul and i hope people finally come to their senses and see u for who u are. the worst american ever. though i dont believe in religion, i dont hate on those who believe unlike you Beck that scare people and look down on them, mislead them . so get your facts straight and act like a human . understanably that is to hard for you as Greed has taken you over. thanks for ruining our country.

      September 23, 2010 at 5:39 pm |
    • Ed Jones

      Sorry! You talk about narrow minded, read what you just wrote again and think about it carefully!

      October 1, 2010 at 1:20 am |
    • Rebart

      washingmachine, you are one confuse bigot, and you have no idea what you are talking about. You may have spent some time in bigotry, I mean divinity school, but you know nothing.

      October 7, 2010 at 5:56 pm |
    • david

      i hear you, and while i believe that people are more important than doctrine, it is crucial what we believe.

      December 23, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
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