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September 10th, 2010
12:12 PM ET

Would a Muslim burn the Bible?

If you’re trying to understand what burning a Quran would look like to a Muslim, consider this:

“For Christians, Jesus is the word of God. For Muslims, the Quran is the word of God. Imagine someone burning Jesus,” says Emad El-Din Shahin, a religion professor at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana.

Talk about the Quran has dominated the news ever since a Florida pastor announced that he would burn copies of Islam’s holiest book on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

The pastor has since announced that he has called off the event, then later said it is still being contemplated. But his plan has already evoked some of the vilest acts of religious persecution in Western history, religious scholars say.

To burn a Quran is not just offensive; it is the equivalent of “destroying a people’s soul,” one Muslim scholar says.

The Quran is so sacred that many Muslims will not touch it without washing their hands, face and feet, says Caner Dagli, a religious professor at the College of Holy Cross in Massachusetts.

“Muslims always keep the Quran
in a high place. No book is ever placed on top of it. It is never placed on the ground,” Dagli says. “When a Muslim picks up the Quran, he or she
typically kiss it and then touch it to their forehead, and do the same
when they are about to put it down.”

The Quran teaches Muslims to respect the sacred books of Christians and Jews as well, says Chris van Gorder, a religion professor at Baylor University in Texas.

“To burn a holy Quran for a Muslim is to throw down a gauntlet,” he says. “Those who deface any holy book, including the Bible, in many Muslim countries today, will be executed.

“How many Bibles have been burned in the Muslim world in the last nine years? None.”

Muslims, along with Jews and Christians are known by some as “people of the book.” Each religion descends from the same branch. The prophet Abraham is their patriarch.

The Quran considers both Jesus and Moses great prophets. It also praises Mary, the mother of Jesus, says Shahin, the Notre Dame professor.

“Moses and Jesus are mentioned more than the Prophet Muhammad in the Quran,” Shahin says.
The Quran doesn’t just preach religious tolerance; the Prophet Muhammad demonstrated it in his life, Shahin says.

The prophet would meet Christian delegations in his mosque.

“He would allow them to perform Christian prayers in the mosque,” Shahin says.

Muslims believe the Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in a series of revelations by the archangel Gabriel. They say the prophet journeyed to a mountain cave where, after falling into a trance, the angel came to him and ordered him to “Proclaim!”

The Florida pastor, however, says he is compelled by his own faith to something else –burn.
To do so, though, would replay some of the most wretched moments in religious history, says Ivan Strenski, a religious studies professor at the University of California, Riverside.

The Florida pastor who has threatened to burn the Quran has unwittingly evoked some of the worst moments in Western history, Strenski says.

When a group of people conquered another, they often sought to destroy their victims’ sacred books. The Spanish conquistadors and Christian missionaries, for example, destroyed the sacred books of the Mayans; American slaveholders tried to destroy the African religion of slaves.

Desecrating a people’s sacred book is like “destroying their soul; you destroy their sense of who they are,” Strenski says.

“It’s about controlling memory,” Strenski says. “You can oppress people. You can beat them down, but if they can retain some kind of memory of who they were before you beat them down, they can pass that on and when the time is right rise up again.

The notion of burning a Quran was so offensive to one religious scholar that he drew on his own personal history.

Van Gorder, the religion professor at Baylor University, says that Nazis not only murdered millions of Jews. They also burned Torahs.

“As a German-American,” he says, “I rue that the day of burning books has come to my own ‘civilization.’ "

- CNN Writer

Filed under: 'Ground zero mosque' • 9/11 • Bible • Books • Interfaith issues • Islam • Persecution • Quran

soundoff (376 Responses)
  1. Rich

    Illiterate, cave-dwelling, cousin ####er, starts religion of his own....

    September 10, 2010 at 10:42 pm |
    • Fast Eddie

      @Rich

      You're supposed to start a story with: "Once upon a time, very long ago and very far away indeed..." or "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..."

      September 11, 2010 at 12:43 am |
  2. dj

    Muslims don't burn Bibles Huh? http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9

    September 10, 2010 at 10:36 pm |
  3. Xchange

    Garbage article. Muhammad was not tolerant of other religions. He murdered 10 million Hindus during his religious ethnic cleansing.

    September 10, 2010 at 10:14 pm |
    • freewoman

      Tolerance is not a word religions use except to demand it from others.
      No where is any dogma book is the word tolerance used for those who do not believe in that dogma's god of choice.

      All myths demand the death of the other believers. This is used to keep the believers faithful and the money rolling in.

      September 11, 2010 at 7:38 am |
  4. 1Mohawk

    Tammy B et al.

    Exporting Religious Ideology – has been the corner stone to enslaving the minds and hearts of people everywhere.

    "Religion", per se has always been Used to regulate people's actions, and yes, death has always been a great way to persuade the people to follow any idea. Such as, honor killings, which have occurred frequently in Canada, not to mention throughout the world.

    (Honest, peaceful, respectful to each other and our environment.) If, any part of your postings were truthful, then please tell me how it is your existence on my land benefits or helps my people.

    Surely, you must address the history of a Country you'd assume to be a part of. I'm sure you're aware of how America came to be or what?

    Those before Islam, claimed the Very Same desire to live their lives for "GOD", soon came "buddism", Devil worship, non believers of any GOD and then Islam.

    History clearly shows 1492's arrival of "Western World". My land is NOT the WESTERN WORLD. 2010 your existence here, can only speak volumes regarding the true character of Islam.

    Genocidal Conditions remain in place to this day – Muslim and Islam, participate willingly since their arrival, It would seem the only solution would be to Return to the lands your GOD, has created your people from. TOO SIMPLE A SOLUTION?

    It would only be my desire, NOT to be known to the to the world as a "Terrorist Nation". Obama ordered DRONES to fly over, our sacred lands, MOHAWK Territories, and Canada Declares my Nation the Same as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (ie.
    http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/CTVNewsAt11/20070331/native_manual_070331/ Convenient Excuses not to HONOR TREATIES.

    Anyone? EVERETTE COMMISSION, was set in motion to count the Native people, so the AMERICAN GOVT. could wipe all Native Nations OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL – It's History, that hasn't stopped. Canada, is not a Humanitarian or Moral Country, but rather an extension of European Rule, as policies clearly show: ie. NATIVE FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE as of 1990 have been acknowledged as "HUMAN BEINGS".

    If your God's have ANY mercy for their followers, let him exercise mercy upon you, as you all have genocidal blood on your hands, by participating in the theft of our lands and the deaths of our children. This is what you've been calling freedom. Be REAL, this GENOCIDE continues to this day, being done in the name of ALL Americans regardless of your race, color, or creed.

    WHOM among you is willing to return home and serve your God ?

    September 10, 2010 at 10:12 pm |
    • Talking_It_Over

      1Mohawk:

      Yes, it is abominable what was done to Native Americans by some of the European settlers. I am always sad and horrified to hear those reports.

      I wonder, though, if Europeans (or any other outsiders) had never discovered the Americas, what would it be like here today? Many Native American tribes were extremely warlike, and they fought each other constantly. Who would be ruling now? And how many would have died in the aggression and defense of their tribes?

      September 10, 2010 at 10:35 pm |
    • Fast Eddie

      @Talking_It_Over

      Don't you know that the guys with the cool hair always win? It's because they use the right shampoo and conditioner.
      Are you responsible for what someone else did hundreds of years ago? Nope.
      Don't bother apologizing to someone who wasn't there when you didn't even do whatever it was in the first place. Duh.

      September 11, 2010 at 12:50 am |
  5. Queen Barbara

    Those comments are intelligent and thoughtful and show that American people are connecting intellectually.This means that when we have understanding God of Izrael will impart the right knowledge on the USA.

    September 10, 2010 at 9:44 pm |
  6. John

    Ok, first off the Imam who said how many Muslims have destroyed Bibles in the last ten years and said none got it wrong.

    In 2007 in the Gaza Strip there was Hamas henchman who went into a Church and set fire to Bibles and broke crosses. So spare me.

    Also the Saudi authorties are known to take Bibles at their airports and treat them as contraband. Is that respect?

    Also the Jesus and Quran analogy is a horriable one. If Mohammad and Jesus could somehow be braught back to life I dare say in each case both Muslims and Christians would be more then a bit upset about burning them alive then if a few dozen Qurans or Bible were lit up.

    September 10, 2010 at 9:08 pm |
    • freewoman

      To muslims.. tolerance is a one way street.

      A good example is those 2 towers.. where was the religion of peace's tolerance there?

      It isn't, and never will be.
      Perhaps those who were killed were not tolerable for Muslims.
      Americans, working their jobs on a bright Tuesday morning in America is not tolerable for Muslims.
      Os the intolerant Muslims had to kill them because their Koran told them to do it.

      Kill the infidels.. so they did... it is tolerant for the Muslims to do that because their god told them to do it and their god is perfect and a god of peace...

      They believe in their god.. not humanity.

      September 11, 2010 at 7:18 am |
  7. JAMES

    I guess Kate should move to another country if she thinks America is so bad and she obviously knows nothing of Christianity Christians don't hate Gays they disapprove of the act because their religion says its a sin any Christian that judges another person because they are Gay or for any other reason is also sinning no one is saying all who claim to be Christians are saints but to compare the Christian belief to the Muslim belief and say that it is just as violent of a religion is plain stupidity

    September 10, 2010 at 8:53 pm |
    • TammyB

      Nope, Kate should stay right here in America because in America we have the right to disagree and debate, as she is doing. And by the way, I will add, by NOT calling anyone stupid. Superior debating skills, not resorting to name calling.

      September 10, 2010 at 9:59 pm |
    • Kate

      @James

      Let me tell you exactly what I think.

      All of you "We're at war with Islam" or "Islam is evil" or "Islam is violent" civilian MFs sit there all nice and safe and sound behind your screens thinking it's easy and safe and sterile based on the latest Stallone movie or what you do with your xBox playing Red Cell.

      If we're at war, why are we still falling short on recruitment numbers? If we're at war, why aren't most of you in uniform and out there fighting it? If the threat is so great, where the frak are you?

      Sitting at home behind your monitors spewing cr@p and sending us out to do your dirty work for you is where you are. It's great you can say "We're at war" – when you aren't the ones bleeding and dying.

      We are. And we get to see normal everyday Muslims who don't give a damn about America, all they care about is being able to live, and work, and play, and have families, and we're out there risking our lives to give them those things.

      All the while the civilians back here are victims of the culture of ent|tlement – not welfare, freedom itself. you've never had to fight for it, you've never known life without it, you take it for granted, and yet you're all willing to sit there and toss it all aside just because you want to be even more comfortable.

      Because you're afraid. And you know what you're afraid of? People just like you that just happen to pray to God by a different name?

      You're willing to compromise the very foundation of the country and its principles just for your own comfort, while we're out there defending it? You throw away everything we're fighting for.

      You even turn against your fellow Americans because you're afraid. You call yourselves Americans yet you have no idea what America stands for – the people we'veve been defending know the value of freedom and cherish it, while you sit there in your little houses all happy and safe and squander it.

      None of you would have the gu7s to risk being taken out in the night by the Talib for passing a note to a patrol telling them where there's an arms cache. None of you risks being scarred and blinded for life by acid just for going to school. None of you even have the courage to sign up and actually say "Our principles, our freedoms, are worth risking my life for".

      Yes, there's bad countries, and there are bad people who do bad things and call it religion. That's what we're out there fighting against. Think we don't talk some nights and wish we could just deal with some of the cr@p out there in countries we're not fighting in the way we're trained to? Think we're blind to the abuses people commit and justify it with some warped theological BS, because no-one is educated enough to be able to challenge it?

      But wait! Then we get to hear people like you guys talk just the same as a Talib?

      See, the difference is, we get to see normal people every day, when all you dare look at is soundbites on TV, or websites, or here. You're all so busy reinforcing each other with your bad information, wild conjecture, or outright bigotry, and pretty soon you're just believing yourselves.

      Everyone in the military is warning against the Burn a Qur'an day, but you all, such experts on Islam and psychology and extremists, say "What do they know, they're just the Military, we know better".

      Worse, you set yourselves up with pre-justifications for the violence you all know will come, and want to use it to justify you setting yourselves up in some perverted circle jerk logic so you can soothe yourselves at night at say "See, I was right!"

      People like you want to dissolve the wall between state and religion? We get to see every day what happens when church and state get conflated, and you expect us to fight against it there – but you get oh so upset when we see it happening back home. "Oh no!", you say, "We're Christians, we're the good guys, no way would we do something like that in the name of religion!"

      All the while casually ignoring all the places where the very same thing happens under the banner of Christianity.

      America isn't bad. Americans on the other hand leave a lot to be desired. But hey, that's in the Const|tution, so it's part of what we swore to uphold. Only you people want to turn around and make it conditional, you want to turn American into a Christian version of the 'Stan.

      All you can think of is hate, and fear. You hate and fear a 15 year old girl whose nose and ears were cut off by her Talib husband on the orders of a Talib commander just because she's a Muslim. You hate and you fear the kids trying to get an education, because they're Muslims. You hate and fear the villagers who risk their lives trying to help our people avoid IEDs and monsters rigged in alleyways and arms caches because they're Muslims – and you'll hate and fear your own troops who happen to be Muslims.

      You dishonor every Muslim who has stood the line for your protection. You may have a First Amendment right to do so, but the First Amendment doesn't say you can't be reviled for what you say by those who disagree.

      You can say "We're at war with Islam" all you like, but the truth of the matter is you don't have a clue what Islam is, except what you pick up from websites and the media about the extremists.

      You want to declare war on an entire religion, on kids, and families, and you wonder why Muslims might start thinking "Well hell, if they're going to declare war on us, we might as well just fight back because we're not going to trade one group of religious extremists for another" – and that gets us killed by people who wouldn't have done anything until you told them they were an enemy to be destroyed.

      We swear to uphold the const|tution against all enemies – foreign AND domestic.

      I sometimes wonder just how many enemies of the Const|tution there are right here in America who claim to be Patriots from the comfort of their own home but would wet their pants at the first sight of a Muslim – not because the Muslim is a real threat to them, but because the sheeple have become afraid of their own shadows and are screaming "We're at war, save us!"

      Congratulations sheeple, on being the pawns of bin Laden and AQ. Congratulations on doing the very thing they wanted you all to do. Congratulations on betraying that oath you swore every morning in school. Congratulations on being so afraid you forgot what America means to begin with.

      You're the ones who hate America, because you can't live up to the principles it was founded upon. You're the ones who hate America because it isn't comfortable enough for you.

      You need all Muslims to be extremists, because otherwise you realize you're afraid of nothing and you don't dare have to admit that – so you'll try to make every moderate go "Oh what the hell".

      You're all the poster children for AQ.

      Why not go out and learn who Muslims are, real ones, not the ghosts of your own inadequacies or the terrorists who've got you so terrified of the boogieman you're willing to tear America itself apart just so you can feel safe.

      I don't think it's me who doesn't understand Christianity James. I think it's all of you who need to go back to Sunday School.

      Just skip swearing the oath of allegiance, you've forgotten what it's all about to begin with.

      I know what scares people like you guys you about me. The idea that someone might see past the BS and all the lies you're fed, and feed, and actually not be as afraid as you all are. You want to accuse me of being a Muslim because that way you can toss aside what I saw, and see, and think, as just being more Muslim propaganda. You afraid that people who can bring rational debate to the table will derail the house of cards of fear you've all built up to hide behind, and without that fear, you've got nothing.

      I'm one of the sheepdogs, and we swear to protect the sheeple from those who would do them harm. But we can't protect you from your own fears. God knows I keep trying, here and other places, but I guess it's true – you can lead a man to water but you can't make him think.

      Thankfully, you sheeple are still in a minority and there are still true Americans left who remember what America means. Your fear and hatred will only go so far, people are already beginning to wake up to the knowledge that there are people right here who would turn this country into the very thing the Founding Fathers made sure we weren't – a theocracy, ruled by a religion, using fear to try and bring about Christian dominion over the United States.

      Islam will not take over America.

      Neither will you.

      September 10, 2010 at 10:52 pm |
    • Kate

      @TammyB

      They don't want debate. They want to vent their hate. They just forgot that by issuing blanket statements they're insulting every Muslim who's stood the line, and I'm through listening to these civilians blithely insult people who have fought and died protecting them simply because of their religion.

      You can't debate with hate – and you can't argue crazy.

      Just growlin'

      September 10, 2010 at 11:20 pm |
    • Fast Eddie

      @Kate
      You shouldn't need my thanks for standing up for people – but you have it.

      Now THAT's a RANT! That's what I like to see and read!
      I bet you feel a bit better now that you've let some of that out, eh? 😛
      (finally got back online – hi!)

      I would like to point out that you are spouting a distinct point of view ( nothing wrong with that ), but it shows what sort of influences make YOU run in circles like any fluffy "sheeple". How much of it is really your fault, though?

      As for those fear-crazed cattle you fling words against....
      If a religion-oriented, indoctrinated / brainwashed, mentally unstable person of dubious abilities in the perception department happens to do something predictable – where does the fault go? Whose fault is it? How far back would you go in pointing the finger?
      A historical tradition of mystical-themed nonsense handed down through families and communities for hundreds or thousands of years is a big thing to go up against and it permeates human society.

      You cannot (easily) remove its influence from the human beings who are the victims / perpetrators – so what would you propose, O Sheepdog, to fix the irrationality in human affairs?

      (hint: you can't suggest using Reality's posts in any way.) 😀

      Let's hear a bit more...?

      September 10, 2010 at 11:39 pm |
    • Kate

      @Fast Eddie

      "Fault"? If it's anyone's fault it's the Corps' for showing me there's still a place in society for honor, duty, and country, no matter how dusty those concepts have become amongst those who don't want their idyllic little worlds disturbed by anything even remotely mind taxing.

      It's the fault of 19 people 9 years ago today who almost took my husband away from me and the cowards that sent them.

      It's the fault of families who had nothing who would still share what they didn't have with me and I couldn't try to share what I had with them because it would insult their pride.

      It's the fault of CNN and Fox who won't show you the bodies because you're all too "sensitive".

      There's lots of reasons. We are the product of the sum total of our experiences. There's no "fault", except surviving them.

      If I had answers to how to fix anything in the world, I'd be a mega bazillionaire. Or at least would have invented Sham WOW first. In fact, that guy probably has a better solution than me. If you act now, he'll even double your order.

      Just sayin'

      September 11, 2010 at 12:48 am |
    • Fast Eddie

      @Kate
      Ah. A survivalist. 🙂
      I was hoping you could toss out a few crumbs for those "derivatives" (my new word for them). I think they need stuff like that. They need somethin' anyways...(grrrr)

      Hey, it was either this or playing one of the "Call of Duty" games on my xbox360. I thought I'd better come back and explain what happened at least, before I fade back into obscurity....

      p.s. That huge post of yours must be the biggest I've ever seen from you. You had a lot to say, I guess. I could almost hear you yellin' at one point. 😛

      I'm going to be staying away from this blog as much as I can. Already I feel the grip tightening around my brain. My place is no longer here, I think. Take a week off from the internet and see if you don't feel like a blog-junkie going through detox...

      September 11, 2010 at 1:17 am |
    • Keith

      Kate, You're going off on rabbit trails. The question was "Why isn't the gay community screaming bloody murder against a religion that wants them exterminated?" There are laws on the books in the five countries listed above where being gay is punishable by death. Last time I checked that wasn't the case here. The question is still unanswered. Ask Rauf if g-a-y people will be allowed in the Cordoba Mosque or any mosque for that matter.

      September 11, 2010 at 8:05 am |
    • Keith

      Kate, Could you elaborate on your 'all enemies foreign AND domestic' comment? It almost sounds like you would raise up that M-16 at American Christian 'fundies' if so ordered. I hope I'm wrong.

      September 11, 2010 at 8:11 am |
    • Keith

      Kate, A lot of bad things have happend down through the centuries under the banner of 'Christianity'. That doesn't mean the people were Christians. I'm white. Now I can call myself a 'black panther', but obviously I'm not one. I get the feeling you think that Christians discriminate against g-a–ys and that they're 'going to hell' for simply being g-a-y. Not so. We believe God created man and woman. And since the g-a-y community wants to force same s-e-x marriage down our throats, we are standing up through legal means and taking a stand for what God instituted. G-a-ys won't go to Hell because they're g-a-y, they'll go to Hell because they deny being exceedinly sinful in the eyes of a righteous God. They refuse to repent of all their sins. They refuse the ONLY Way to the Father-His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. They refuse to accept that He paid our sin-debt in full at the cross. They reject God as Soveriegn of the universe. That, Kate, is why they will go to Hell. They are making a choice. They, like many others who are not g-a-y, are choosing poorly. All roads do lead to God. In judgement. But only one road leads to eternal life after that. You may not like it-but it's just the way it is and you can debate all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

      September 11, 2010 at 8:33 am |
  8. David

    How Many Bibles burnt in the last nine years?

    Depends how many were in the YMCA in Gaza

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7246454.stm

    September 10, 2010 at 8:14 pm |
  9. Patrick

    Islam is a violent and bloody religion and should never be referred to as a religion. Imagine Muslims burning the Bible. Would Christians react with violence? Never. However, even speak critically against Mohammed and watch Muslims come unglued at the seams. They are violent to their core and desperately afraid of being found out for the hypocrites that they are and the absolute farce that their religion is. Burn that nasty violent book called the Quran, or better yet, throw it in the landfill where it belongs!

    September 10, 2010 at 8:05 pm |
  10. Keith

    Would some g-a-y person please answer the above question?

    September 10, 2010 at 7:59 pm |
  11. Mark R.

    No Bibles destroyed in the Muslim world in the last nine years? Not so: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html

    September 10, 2010 at 7:53 pm |
  12. HOUSTON

    i think,buring the koran will only give the talibans some excuse to carry their attacks. America is a free country so any body at all can come in and do any thing, the same waychristians can not go to saudin arebia to establise a church the same way they can not come in to our country to build their so called mosque. America is a christain country.

    September 10, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
  13. Eric G.

    @Lester: I am not picking sides, but your post lacks logic. Hypotheticaly, lets assume that you can provide verifiable evidence that all know theories for the appearance of your "pizza" are wrong, except for the god theory. This does not prove that your "god made the pizza" theory is correct. You will still need to provide verifiable evidence to support your theory. In your response, you state that you would "choose not to believe" in the Islamic god even if he was proved to be real. Which is more important to you, knowledge or faith? Sorry to call you out on such a well worded post, but I have to play referee on this one. 2 minute penalty for lack of logical position and argument from assumption.

    September 10, 2010 at 6:37 pm |
  14. JAMES

    I just would like to say to the people who keep saying that Muslims are peaceful people and that their religion has been hi-jacked by radicals show me a peaceful Muslim country that supports religious freedom and womens rights then maybe I might listen to your opinion but till then maybe you should look at what they do to people who change religions in a Muslim country they can be killed for it or if a woman is raped she can be stoned to death for being unfaithful the list goes on and on

    September 10, 2010 at 6:08 pm |
    • Keith

      Not only a muslim country that supports women's rights, but what about gay rights?

      September 10, 2010 at 7:32 pm |
    • Keith

      Just wanted to make sure this didn't get moderated. What do Iran, Saudi Arabia, Maurintania, Sudan, and Yemen have in common? You can be executed for being g-a-y. "In Iran we do not have this phenomenom."-Ahmadinejad. Geez, could it be because you hang them? Where's the 'tolerance' now? You people who support 'tolerance' are stupid. Not dumb. Stupid. Dumb can be taught, stupid can't. If they flew another 20 planes into our buildings, you would apologize and blame 'islamophobia'. How about blaming the muslims? Why isn't the g-a-y community screaming bloody murder against a religion that wants them exterminated? Well?????

      September 10, 2010 at 7:42 pm |
    • Kate

      @Keith

      Matthew Sheppard can tell you how tolerant Christian countries are. Try being g4y in Mexico or several other Latin American countries – it's grounds for asylum application to the US. Last I heard, stats in the US show there's on average one murder of a transgendered individual every week. Remember Brandon Teena? And let's not go into Italy.

      Then there's Prop 8, DOMA, and all the states that made const|tutional amendments against g4y marriage.

      It might not be on the books, but being g4y in the US can end up with you dead just for being g4y. All of which is powered by Christianity. Want to clean up your own religion first?

      Just sayin'

      September 10, 2010 at 8:03 pm |
    • Keith

      Kate, Perhaps you didn't understand the question. Are you going to answer the question or change the subject? Once Kate takes her 'three throws for $1' someone else please try.

      September 10, 2010 at 8:20 pm |
    • Kate

      @Keith

      Hey, you were the one started playing comparative religion but decided to skip the "compare" part. Did you forget the whole "let he who is without sin" thing?

      You want to point the finger at the bad practices in some Islamic countries while in denial of your own faith's shortcomings in exactly the same areas, I'll call you on it.

      It's hypocritical, all you're trying to do is gloss over the fact people do bad things and use religion to justify them in all religions – because then you have to face the fact yours is just as vulnerable.

      Just notin'

      September 10, 2010 at 8:48 pm |
    • Jibril

      Keith:

      Ahmadinejad says there are no g-a-y-s in his country. so, no need for any rights

      September 10, 2010 at 9:25 pm |
    • Talking_It_Over

      Keith:
      "Why isn't the g-a-y community screaming bloody murder against a religion that wants them exterminated? Well?????"

      I haven't read too much gay literature, but I am certain that they loudly decry that Islamic action. It's just that they can really fight only one battle at a time. It's been probably less than 20 years that they have been even able to ask for and receive some understanding here. The threats from Islam will be dealt with as soon as they are able.

      September 10, 2010 at 9:43 pm |
    • Rich

      Not gay if it's a camel...

      Or a small boy (Saudi)

      September 10, 2010 at 10:41 pm |
    • Kate

      @Rich

      They use robots now.

      Just sayin'

      September 10, 2010 at 11:04 pm |
    • freewoman

      in the Koran.. women are not humans...

      September 11, 2010 at 7:02 am |
  15. Keith

    People are just getting their belly full of the 'religion of peace'. Rauf says he can't move the mosque because it will inflame muslims around the world. That is a threat. I don't respond well to threats. I won't roll over and play 'tolerant' to these throat cutters. If this mosque is built at its current location, it will be a sign to the muslim world that America is weak. If it wasn't their mission to convert or kill me, then I wouldn't care. These jokers understand one thing-brute force. Tolerance=Weakness + Surrender. Some of us just have the guts to stand up and say "enough"! Burning a Quaran is just a symptom. I'm not for burning their book, but I've had it with the 'religion of peace.'

    September 10, 2010 at 5:39 pm |
    • Rich

      Keith, completely agree. I have worked in the sandbox and have understood from day 1, that they do not understand how politically sensitive ways. They don't understand fighting words with words. They view us as weak and are taking advantage of our nature. I don't think we should change our ways but we need to grasp that they are looking at us like complete pushovers.

      September 10, 2010 at 5:42 pm |
  16. Rich

    Muslims had no problem burning the bible and destroying crosses in 2007... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html

    Where was the Muslim outrage when their own people did that? How is that the Vatican is condemning this event but the Muslim community made no big statements about their people in 2007?

    September 10, 2010 at 5:39 pm |
    • Rich

      By the way, I'm not agreeing with it.... As much as I want all terrorist destroyed, the Quran burning accomplishes nothing and puts lives in danger.

      September 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm |
    • freewoman

      burn those so called holy books.. not people

      September 11, 2010 at 7:00 am |
  17. Lester

    You obviously know very little in reality about Christianity. There's what I believe, what you believe and then there's the truth. Apparently you have it all figured out though. Consider the reality of a Pizza. I could have my theory on how the pizza got here. You could have your theory about it. In fact, there could be a thousand different beliefs or explanations on how the pizza came into being. One may say aliens carried it here. Others may say Mohammed made it and still others may say it came into being on its on. Humanism and the secularism you espouse friend is just one theory and we'd all do better to really consider other view points. I do not choose to believe in the diety of the Quran because of the teachings in that book. Even if this diety were real...then I would not believe in him for that book paints a picture of an evil God which requires evil things. However, evolution is somewhat like a faith as well in that it teaches at its core that all life and matter came from nothing. In fact, the big bang states that in cosmic evolution "nothing exploded" creating everything we see and experience today. I find it harder to believe in that non-sense than the Bible. Do you know 100% of all the knowlege in the universe? What about 75%? What about 50%? What about 25%? Okay lets just say that you know about 5% of all the knowlege in the universe (and any mathmatician would tell you I'm being quite generous) then tell me....could God exist in the unknowable knowledge that you don't have? Could he be so far beyond your realm of thinking and capacity that you can not weigh him like a can of tomatoes and quantifiy him? I answered yes to this long ago. You view history from the mindset of a humanist which promote the "theory" of evolution as fact and rely on failed theories to bolster a false interpretation of the facts. I would like to suggest to you a book called "The evolution Handbook" by Vance ferrel as it will at least allow you to understand why so many do not buy into the humanistic model or pizza if you will.

    September 10, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
  18. Dr.Mike

    Burning a Holy book, seen as God's word by others, who also come from Abraham's line, just shows that some citizens of the USA are backward in their minds, and feel that they are better than Muslims, well, anyone who feels better than another, will soon fall. For it only shows pride, and pride comes before a fall. No one escapes, if pride eats away at their inner selves, like Lucifer in heaven before his great fall, that has shaken all mankind. Just because someone burns Christian literature, doing the same to them is telling them you are no better than they are. Burning a Quran is not awakening, it is more like betting on death.

    September 10, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
  19. Realist

    Religion will bring an end to this world for the human race.

    September 10, 2010 at 4:54 pm |
    • freewoman

      would that really be that bad?
      The end of humanity would not necessary bring the end of the world, but rather a new beginning for the world.
      This planet was a lot better without us then it has suffered with us.
      WE have brought on more destruction to this planet than any natural event.
      With humans gone, the planet will become beautiful again...
      the End of the world does not mean the end of humanity.
      The end of humanity would bring on the new birth for the World, not its end.

      September 11, 2010 at 6:57 am |
    • David Johnson

      @freewoman

      You said, "The end of humanity would not necessary bring the end of the world, but rather a new beginning for the world."

      Yeah, but it would really f*** up my Sundays.

      September 11, 2010 at 5:04 pm |
  20. Kurt

    Its common to believe that tolerance and peace is the hallmark of Islam and Islamic societies (especially at cnn), but at some point, the overriding faith in multiculturalism needs to face real history, current events, and facts. It can be hard, especially for those journalists who have been taught from a young age that all cultures are equal in their tolerance, freedom, and love. The truth is there is no religion more intolerant of opposing religions, female equality, and political freedom on its soil than Islam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D-z6sTs3pU

    September 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm |
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