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October 24th, 2010
03:51 PM ET
Satanists' event in Oklahoma draws Christian protest
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CNN affiliate KOCO reports on a Christian protest outside a Satanist group's event in downtown Oklahoma City (backstory here) : In downtown Oklahoma City, Satanists held a Ritual in public at the Civic Center. The ritual began at 8 p.m. Thursday and drew plenty of controversy. Before making it inside where the Satanists were practicing their religion, prayers were heard outside by groups opposing the ritual. Chiquita Carbajal said she is against the ritual. “No place for Satan in Oklahoma,” she said.
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I wonder what these Satan worshipers would do if they truly encountered Satan? The devil is real and he's no force to recon with. Once you commit to him, there's no way out. He's not like God who allows Christians to have their free will and choose for themselves. You try to leave Satan and he will kill you. Know what you are getting into before you get into it. There is no way out!
Must be strange living in a world with so many imaginary friends. "The devil will kill u!"
You have any evidence to support this or are you just, naturally, touting your beliefs as fact?
Try to remember not everyone beleives the same things you do. Thier Satan is the one sitting at the right hand of your god, not the hollywood anti-christ you want them to beleive in.
'He's not like God who allows Christians to have their free will and choose for themselves. You try to leave Satan and he will kill you.'
And if you don't follow god he will punish you with eternal damnation. So sure, god is nothing like satan, lol.
What I have never been able to understand is why God didn't just take a few more days and create an honest, virtuous man right from the start.
He did, it was Eve who was first tempted, hence it's all woman's fault. Yep, that's why they have the pain of childbirth, at least according to the bible.
... Not at all misogynistic, no, what gave you that idea? The clear misogynistic overtones? Nah, you should just ignore those.
Good point...but too logical...
As- for your "basic understanding", h-aven and hell are always quite v-ague, and even require-ments for entrance seem consta-nt sources of disagreement. Some tell me one simply needs to be good, while others tell me one must be devout regardless of being good.
That second version, where atheists go to he-ll because they don't believe, is what I'm most objecting to. (Although in truth even the first seems sterile but- i-t doesn't require being surrounded by sycophants). I'd like you to please exp-lain how offering blind worship to a de-ity who condemns you to eternal tor-ment for the "crime" of skept-icism doesn't equate to a deity requiring syco-phantic praise and being an ego-tistical ma-niac.
I've heard the traditi-onal "You can't apply your human morality to god" excuse, but I'm sorry, if human morali-ty is "god given" then we certa-inly can attribute a gr-oss degree of egomania to a d-eity who gave us the abil-ity to tell that was wrong in the first place. It seems fairly cut and dry, the god of the bible, one who cond-emns non-believers for the "crime" of skepti-cism, but saves the dev-out kil-ler, is truly a vi-le creat-ure.
The Satan worshipers must not have read the Bible because it states quite clearly in several places that even Satan acknowledges God as his creator. So, looks like Satan has these idiots fooled! Gotta feel sorry for them. I see these people as ones who have made up a sort of ritual that they believe in their minds to be what it means to be a Satan worshiper.
Looks like the ancient babylonians, by way of the ancient Hebrews, by way of the Roman Empire, by way of a Bronze-aged book of myths has you fooled. If I was writing a book about my enemy, I'd say "He believes I'm stronger than him" too. You really need a reality check, but I'm sure you will think I'm the one who does since I dare have a differing opinion. I guarantee you, if you had been born into a family that believed Pinocchio was a true story, you would be a Geppetto-ist instead of a Christian right now. Your faith is entirely based on geography.
Oh, by the way, I guarantee you that mosts Satanists, Atheists, Agnostics, Pagans, etc. have read the Bible more frequently and more thoroughly and with more cognizance than you ever have.
To truly know what the bible says you must read it from beginning to end like the book it is ! Not jump around to little verses here and there !!! You will find many mistakes and conflicting statements...
Modern day 'satanism' is not true Satan worship, rather it is using the word 'Satan' to refer to man and man's inner nature. It is worship and celebration of the self. Not god, not satan. Maybe twenty or thirty years ago satanism meant Satan worship, but now the two are separate terms. To protest modern day satanism is to protest yourself.
What I have never been able to understand is why God didn't just take a few more days and create an honest, virtuous man right form the start.
The ultimate destoyer of freedom is ignorance, but call it what you want. -question
make sure your ignorance is not binding you
Thanks, I'll do that.
then there is no hope
@anonymous,
"then there is no hope"
Hope for what? ... Eternal life in a golden mansion, or on your own planet, or by a blue river being hand-fed gra-pes - then no. Sorry. But hope for peace on earth, curing of disease and other ills which beset us - yes!
There is plenty of hope, you have just been tricked by your religion into thinking that way. Without God, you are free to choose your own meaning of life. Do you really need God to tell you to be a good person? If so, you are a sociopath.
Check out my blog post on the subject: http://capnjammer.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/the-meaning-of-life-without-god/
There is no hope for those who believe, rather than act. Faith in one belief leaves one ignorant of what hope there is.
There Are No Gods.
you're right. there are no gods. there is only one God.
Obviously you don't know your Bible then. God says he is the God of Gods, and the Bible refers to Chemosh, Dagon, Marduk, and a host of other gods that didn't even get translated in properly, like Lillith (translated "Screech Owl).
You are wrong, even from your own religion's standpoint. Wow.
@Tim:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you
understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. –
Stephen Roberts
It says, God of gods, NOT "God of Gods", noticed the difference? if you didn't, I'm NOT surprised you don't believe in "Him." We can put the blame on your religion,OR....your English teacher in pre-school.
*I* believe the more correct statement is "THERE ARE NO GODS – NO EVEN JUST 1 – NO SATAN EITHER!"
I alone am the g.o.d. of all g.o.d.s. of g.o.d.s. Don't ask me to prove it because I am g.o.d. So there !!!!! No miracles for you...
I believe the freedom of as-sembly and freedom of religion are a part of what makes this country great...? Maybe I have it all backwards. I am not sure what all you people are complaining about on this page. You don't agree with a certain protest or a certain religion? Ok thats a part of life. The ego's in this comment section are beyond belief though.
"I don't believe in that. That means I am better than you. That means if you don't believe what I do, then you are a fool."
wow...you say the same things that you CONSTANTLY complain about. I think there is a word for that.
@DaveFour
Yes, you have it all backwards. Go flush your head down the nearest toilet. And take your religion with you.
Christians do not hate this because it makes them look stupid. They hate it because Satan is the ultimate destroyer of any freedom.
The ultimate destoyer of freedom is ignorance, but call it what you want.
@question
Well said...
Christians hate the destruction of freedom? Explain why you cla-mor to take away the rights of g-ays to marry, other rel-igions to wor-ship as they please, young women who have been ra-ped or will die if they carry their babies to full term to have abo-rtions, stem-cell research which could possibly regrow lost limbs (which God has never and will never do), etc..??? Get off your moral high horse. The only reason Sat-anists do what they do is to mock your hyp-ocrisy. They stand for freedom much more than any Chris-tian.
lots of people are simply crazy. decent people, christian or otherwise, would be wise enough to protest satanic practices. ...and then they will complain how evil the world is....
Christians hate this because Satan worship looks so silly and really just makes them realize how silly their worship looks too.
I'd be willing to bet that it was misconstrued as a ritual for sata-nists when in actuality it was a convention for 'sata-rists.' Most Some Ok-ies are un-edu-macated and don't know the difference being that their mostly gawd fearin' simps.
It is better to have believed that God is instead of God isn"t. Just in case he really is...
I Am,
With so many gods to choose from, odds are that you have picked the wrong one –ooops!
@I Am
Because....?
What if I don't believe, and I am wrong, and (yet).... God, should he/she/it exists 'still loves me' and I go to so-called 'heaven.'?
Please go back to your Philosophy books, and check out "Blaise Pascal" and his famous 'wager.' I think you might see where your assertion falls apart.
Peace...
that might be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. God is supposedly almighty. if you try to believe just in case, that is not faith but a calculated gambit. an omnipotent god knows the diffrence. thus you have attempted and failed to decive a being that by it's very nature knows all. see you in hell, ill save you a seat.... i cant wait to meet jfk...
I'm not real
Zeus is the actual god. Everyone else is going to hades
The irony of Pascal's Wager is that almost anyone who can clearly and rationally see the sense in it would be bound to logically approach God in the same manner, finding then that there is no concrete logical evidence for his existence. That's not to say that they can't believe anyway, but trying to go about it logically will only make your head hurt. You can't apply probability to nothingness (or infinity, depending on how you look at it).
Kalen,
I am envious of anyone's ability to throw themself into the illogical void that is religion. Does one believe because their family believes, because their community believes, or simply because they have nothing else to believe in? Why believe one group's story and not another's? It's a confusing issue to say the least...
@ peace2all...perhaps He may still.. but one thing for sure [atheist like you may not believe in such a thing called heaven as we Christians do.]there's no place in heaven for unbelievers. And you've read pascal's wager? yes, it maybe enough to see where my assertions fall apart, but, NOT quite, even to move my faith coz my faith, is NOT as shallow and weak as yours.
@aUtheistIC
YOU SAID...
"@ peace2all...perhaps He may still.. but one thing for sure [atheist like you may not believe in such a thing called heaven as we Christians do.]there's no place in heaven for unbelievers. And you've read pascal's wager? yes, it maybe enough to see where my assertions fall apart, but, NOT quite, even to move my faith coz my faith, is NOT as shallow and weak as yours."
ME-- I am not trying to 'move your faith.' I am only taking issue with @I Am's contention, which has a lot of unquestioned assumptions. And he/she uses a version of Pascal's Wager, to try and 'prove' his/her 'beliefs,' by basically using the old... " i hate to be you" tactic just because someone doesn't believe.
I will re-state again. I don't necessarily have a problem with your faith... as long as you recognize it as such. Faith is belief. Beliefs and faith in God are *not* FACTS.
It *is* (possible) that your 'exact' fundamental christian beliefs are true, as I am 'aware and open' enough to say, I certainly don't know of 'absolute fact' as to God, and Reality.
My post has nothing to do with my 'faith' being shallow and weak.
My post now to you... is not claiming that your 'beliefs are = to absolute facts. As your beliefs are not. They are just that... beliefs.
So, until you can provide evidence other than "i just know, because it says so in the bible," or... "I just know, because i have a feeling," 'maybe' you should be careful making claims that you have no evidence for... Which is part of the definition of Faith... isn't it...?
And... before I forget. You made a claim, that "(atheists) like me", etc..etc.. Just for the record, you made a claim without any 'facts,' as I am *not* an atheist.
Peace...
Aren't a lot of Christians clamoring about the end of the world being near? Aren't they just awaiting it with baited breath? Aren't they just trying to (to quote one of their heroes) "bring it on"? Well, doesn't this fit right in? Did you folks really think you were going to have an Apocalypse and Prince of Darkness would miss it?
Wow more people mad at "CHRISTIANS" than satanists here... because of what? peaceful PROTESTING???? we must be in the twilight zone... In one corner you have representatives for JESUS CHRIST... in the other SATAN... and people commenting here are backing SATAN's people??? The end must really be near.. lol
Even if you don't believe... look at the principle of the situation... You are backing SATAN followers over JESUS CHRIST followers... becauuuuuuse "ALL CHRISTIANS THINK THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE?" that's the biggest joke and excuse in the world... GET SMART.. for your own sake..
What does "smart" have to do with any of that? Frankly, I think this is the most ignorant story to run on CNN in the last, oh, 2 or 3 days.
The Christian protesters have every right to demonstrate, of course, but that doesn't mean they aren't being ridiculous. You mention "principle" in your post–the principle, my friend, is this: I'll always be more sympathetic to the privately practicing religious group than the religious group protesting the other's right to exist. "Get smart," indeed.
"Smart" and "reality" are two hilariously ironic things to have in a post so obviously sided in what could only be described as your personal beliefs.
Ex pastor, mis-sionary, and evan-gelist here. Studied the Bi-ble for 15 years. Won hundreds of souls to ch-rist, led revi-vals where hundreds rede-dicated their lives, was a youth pa-stor, a choir director, wrote crit-ically accl-aimed Chri-stian plays and musicals, etc. etc. ad infin-itum.
And YES, I would fight on the side of the Sat-anists here rather than the Chri-stians. The Chri-stians are wrong, because they are trying to take away the rights of another to practice as they please. That is inher-ently e-vil. The Sat-anists aren't kil-ling babies and being poss-essed by the De-vil, they are exerc-ising their right to criti-cize your rel-igion. You have the right to crit-icize theirs, but not to try to take away their right to do so.
@REALITY
I would like to point out that the name "Reality" is already taken by a long-time user of this blog. I suggest you try a different name anyway, since you don't seem to have a good grasp on reality in any case....
Notice nobody is actually responding to your statement, except for the "evan-gelical" who studied the "Bi-ble."
Question. If one does not believe either side, why would one necessarily back the "Jesus Christ"-side? Neither side would be backed based upon "belief", but I could see backing the "Satanist"-side that were peaceably practicing their supposed religion, over people (the Chirstians) that were trying to not allow them to practice their beliefs. They (the Satanists) were not (apparently) telling everyone to follow their way, so leave them be.
Chase, calling people a..."piece of ####" doesn't sound like the kind of thing a heaven bound person would say. In the other statement you made, you said that you will be in heaven "God willing." You better keep those fingers crossed, pal.
It has been a long time since anyone started a major new religion. The clown who founded the Mormon church comes to mind.Couldn"t someone figure out a religion without a make believe diety to pray to.People are so insecure that they have to cling to the idea that there is more after this life . You would do well to make the most of the life you have because it is most likely your only go at it.
Scientology is getting pretty big I guess...for some odd reason. I think it's really just a glorified Tom Cruise fan club though.
Humans naturally fear the idea of death !!! This is the basis for ALL religions...Believe in my god and you will live forever !!!!
( with all the special add ons that each religion promises ) !!!! funny...
Chase. Actually, you'll be rotting in the ground like the rest of us. Sorry to burst your bubble. Also, I hate to tell you this but Santa, the Easter Bunny, the tooth fairy, and the boogie man aren't real either. Hope I didn't ruin your day.
You may not have ruined his day, but you ruined mine...no Easter Bunny!!! Noooooooo!
Oh Yea !!! Can you PROVE theres no easter bunny ???? He talks to me all the time !!!
'Oh Yea !!! Can you PROVE theres no easter bunny ???? He talks to me all the time !!!'
Thats not the easter bunny fool, thats just a giant rabbit called Harvey.