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October 24th, 2010
03:51 PM ET
Satanists' event in Oklahoma draws Christian protest
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CNN affiliate KOCO reports on a Christian protest outside a Satanist group's event in downtown Oklahoma City (backstory here) : In downtown Oklahoma City, Satanists held a Ritual in public at the Civic Center. The ritual began at 8 p.m. Thursday and drew plenty of controversy. Before making it inside where the Satanists were practicing their religion, prayers were heard outside by groups opposing the ritual. Chiquita Carbajal said she is against the ritual. “No place for Satan in Oklahoma,” she said.
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@Reality.
You found your right people here,be careful not to grow horns on top of your head. Ha ha
@Muneef
I don't think Reality has actually posted anything here. I think we have an impostor going around using Reality's name.
But I laughed at your joke. 😀
@Sum Dude.
Hi, was expecting him to visit here so though to leave him a hello message,.
Who would imposter Reality's ? After all there are many realities in life which our known Reality is not one of them.
Some Reality yet again for Muneef and his fellow Muslims who continue in their wayward beliefs in a mythical angel named Gabriel and the warmongering, womanizing founder of Islam aka Mahound!!!
The Five Steps to Deprogram/"Deflaw" 1400 years of Islamic mumbo jumbo.
Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave attended to by his wives before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Accept these five steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Those gullible christians believe they are the only religion. But the truth is they are all scams and stupid worshipers anyway. The only smart one are Pastor Long dong & shameless Haggard. 🙂
I love the idea that "Satanism" and "Christianity" are different; they are two sides of the same coin. If you don't feel like being Christian, don't feel the need to still participate... go be Buddhist, or practice Hinduism, or Santeria. It's like the girl who got dumped, still sticking around to see if the guy is miserable without her. Get a life.
I am pagan, but not satanist, though I have a few satanist friends. They are very thoughtful people. I am wondering if this was a pagan ritual or a true satanist ritual since Christians think all pagans are satanists. Satanists don't believe in satan at all. They actually have a lot of good stuff to learn from. Christians always over-react to everything that they perceive as a threat, and most of the time it is quite benign. But their god is a war god if you trace the evolution of Yahweh. That is why Christians love gun so much.
I am a Christian and as an American, these folks have the right to worship or gather as they choose. Having said, it is my duty as a Christian to pray for them and try to persuade them to believe in the one true God. I can't make them do it and I don't hate them if they don't but we all will answer individually one day before God for our decision regarding His Son, Jesus Christ.
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Adults with imaginary friends are stupid.
I take it they think Satan should stick to Washington where he belongs. Amazing how intolerant Christians are when Christ himself mostly taught tolerance and helping the poor. Right wing Christians definitely disagree with Christ on the importance of helping the poor. FYI Oklahoma, "Satan" was called Lucifer and was an angel in the Bible. He didn't become "evil" until the middle ages. He was vane and arrogant which set him apart from the other angels. If anyone cares to actually read the Bible/Old Testament in this case, they might be shocked to find God and Lucifer actually made a wager over if Jobe would abandon God so God and Lucifer were essentially on speaking terms in the Bible they just had different view points. I'm not taking sides I'm simply pointing out that most of obsession with Lucifer was a creation of the modern church to give people a Boogeyman to fear. This obsession with Lucifer was completely absent from the early church and if it was such a major theme of Christianity then why didn't Christ speak at length on the subject? If you want to follow Christ help the poor and treat each other better. The rest of it is rationalizing hate and fear when he never taught.
Can anyone please tell me which politicians showed up for this event?
Can anyone please tell me which politicians showed up to this event?
@H.P. Lovecraft
So then emotion plays no role whatsoever in their determination right? They are able to say definitively that what they went through is more evil than anything else that has ever occurred, not because it happened to them but because they have objectively looked at all actions and have determined them to be the worst. If they have made their determination through logic and know not just feel, then why would telling it to them be any different than anyone else who had that knowledge but didn't experience it?
You know it's bad when the stoners are making the most sense.
Now thats funny !!!!!!
Our dear friend Dawkins the atheist couldn't even provide a good explanation for appearance of the primordial stuff.
Satanists contradict themselves, they have to believe in the Bible prior to believing in Satan. How would they get an idea otherwise. If they believe in the Bible (and take it to be a credible source for their branch religion), then they must also accept that God is more powerful than Satan and Satan will lose in the the end. Now that we know that they must know that they will lose in the end (along with Satan), it would be logical to conclude that any human who assumes there is an afterlife would most rationally choose the best for himself. Satanists willingly knowing and choosing that they will be screwed are willing choosing to remove themselves from our DNA pool and whatever universal pool of acceptance that might exist.
So go right ahead, Satanists!
You're right on one thing – Dawkins can't explain it. Not yet at least. But saying 'we don't know yet' is a hell of a lot more intellectually honest than reading out of a a piece of nomad-authored literature from before anyone thought of putting yeast in bread, and then just switching your brain off and saying it has all the answers. Especially when that piece of literature has been translated and retranslated through multiple languages, and rewritten over time to include things like resurrected sons of gods put together from other prophetic figures, all in languages that were evolved to scream defiance at the monkeys in the next tree or tell one another where the ripe fruit was – and despite all that, it still has giant glaring inaccuracies that include two different genealogies for Jesus on his father's side (which obviously contradicts the idea that Joseph was not his biological father since he was born from a virgin, let alone one of them having about half again as many generations from start to finish)...yeah. Totally inerrant word of God there.
There is no such thing as satan.
RELIGION=STUPID...PERIOD!
That's great. But I'm sorry to say that there is nothing after this life. If there even was, how do you know that it isn't something that a Buddhist or a Muslim or the ancient Greeks or Persians believed in? How can you be sure that God won't throw you into H-ell because you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
I'm not here to argue your personal religion... I'm here to say that religion is a destructive force and its followers need to stop trying to take away other people's rights. If your religion isn't the kind that likes to get in people's way, well, kindly step out of mine. Otherwise, yes, I'm talking to you. You originally posted "Without God there is no hope," and I was responding to you "Yes, there clearly is." If you don't think so, you are saying that what I believe, ie. that you don't need God to be happy, is wrong, which makes you one of the people I'm talking to here. If you don't like my beliefs and think I shouldn't have them, you shouldn't be allowed to have yours.
Have your beliefs! But don't announce them as if you were the authority on the subject! I can't deny either what I live for! Sure you've had reams of past experiences that would make it seem as if you knew what you were talking about... but, you are crossing the lines of simply stating your opinion.
ooops, failed to mention the above few paragraphs are quoted material.
@anonymous
Yeah. Wouldn't want anyone thinking you had any brains....!
I personally, am a Christian. I was raised in the church, but just recently I've gotten more serious about my faith. I have read a good chunk in the Bible and I can say that God doesn't tell us to go protest and shove His Word down people's throats. I interpret it as "put it out there as an option, go and tell them, only if they're interested." What I'm saying is that we should tell the world, but not too much. Let them come to you. Most think that these people are what all Christians are, but they're just the publicized ones. They are sinning, and sinning is disobedience to God. If you have any questions, comments, debates, please feel free to email me. cdledzep13@gmail.com I'm in high school, so don't expect a quick response.
I don't think people realize this....
but satanists don't actually believe in satan. They "worship" satan as a way of protesting religion.
Not surprising that the good ol oklamonans don't have the intellectual capacity to understand satire.
To Catholic Thinker: "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
Yes, that's right, the Catholics, Protestants Orthodox, and other European based religions spent a lot of effort declaring each other as heretics, then hanging them, burning them, and so forth. The Muslims converted by the sword as well. The Jews didn't do as much in the heresy field, but were persecuted/killed anyway if they didn't convert.
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The ultimate destoyer of freedom is ignorance, but call it what you want. -question
you're right; ignorance breeds much darkness. but also don't underestimate that which you can't understand, see or believe.