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October 24th, 2010
03:51 PM ET
Satanists' event in Oklahoma draws Christian protest
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CNN affiliate KOCO reports on a Christian protest outside a Satanist group's event in downtown Oklahoma City (backstory here) : In downtown Oklahoma City, Satanists held a Ritual in public at the Civic Center. The ritual began at 8 p.m. Thursday and drew plenty of controversy. Before making it inside where the Satanists were practicing their religion, prayers were heard outside by groups opposing the ritual. Chiquita Carbajal said she is against the ritual. “No place for Satan in Oklahoma,” she said.
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"...see that no one leads you astray"
http://www.subversiveelement.com/history_unusual_remains.html
A horned human...!
Darn !!! funny how they just dissappeared !!!! No proof as usual from the lame brain believers in crap !!!
Hmm this is the sort of thing I like to see in America. Freedom of speech, FREEDOM to hold a peaceful protest and FREEDOM to practice whatever religion you want.
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If those Satanists had any imagination they would have gotten a bunch of equipment set up to scare the bejeesus out of everyone once the doors were closed.
They missed a great opportunity.
It is true Christians our not very good people since they try to force their religion on other faiths and thank God we do not live in a Christian nation. I thank God Christians do not consider my faith as Christians. But let me set things straight there is a loving God, who is our Heavenly Father, which loves all his children no matter what. Of course, Jesus does exist along with the holy ghost. However, there is also a devil who is real which is an enemy of God. I know there is an almighty God given that I have seen him when I left my body and he has taught me many things about the spiritual realm. This loving God also came down and saved when an employee which works at KPVI channel 6 broke into my studio apartment during 1994 and beat me to death with a pair of numb-chucks and was never brought to justice. Furthermore,I was dead for a good ten minutes and God himself came down to my beaten dead body and brought back to life.
Numb-chucks? Did they hit you in the numb-skull? Good grief, dude.
The brain goes *crazy* when it's close to death. People see all kinds of crap...and, tellingly, those who claim religious experiences always claim it was *their* god. You never hear a Buddhist snap out of one of those experiences and say the Christian God spoke to them, or a Muslim converting to Judaism after one, or a Hindu claiming to have talked to Marduk the Sun God.
Aegis, you're wrong. It happens all the time and is even recorded in the Bible. In the book of Acts, Saul, a Jew of Jews, a Pharisee, who even had Christians put to death, had a similar visitation from the risen Lord Jesus. "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" , Jesus asked. "Who are you , Lord?" replied Saul. "I am Jesus, whom you persecute." You better believe Saul, who became Paul, had a conversion from Judaism to Christianity. He went on to suffer greatly for Jesus, according to God's will, and he Paul, ended up writing most of the New Testament under the direction of the Holy Spirit.
Conguero,
Do you have any stories of the Christian God or Jesus appearing to isolated tribes in New Guinea, or somewhere like that, where they have no prior knowledge of this being?
brovo to thouse who worship the way they want to and is right for them. being told who to belive in is worng.
Sum Dude
@Wonders
The possibility of collusion and fraud must be ruled out – if you can't do that (and I don't think you can in your case), then all your "mysterious" bits of nonsense are just BS.
Your "junk science" is used by con-men and other fraudsters so often you guys should have a special name.
Hello SumDude
Thanks for your response. I was NOT playing here, I really am interested in what is believed or if not , why? Yes, I am speaking of when things are" ruled out". You can call it BS, but that doesn't give an answer to somebody who has been thru something of the nature that I am speaking of here.
I guess some will call it BS. But it does happen, and and has been photographed, caught on film and on digital recorders. I guess a huge lot of people are walking around with a bunch of "BS" then, according to you.
@SumDude
Sum Dude
@Wonders
The possibility of collusion and fraud must be ruled out – if you can't do that (and I don't think you can in your case), then all your "mysterious" bits of nonsense are just BS.
Your "junk science" is used by con-men and other fraudsters so often you guys should have a special name.
I am disappointed! I thought that YOU would be one person (having been reading these blogs for awhile now..first time poster, I am) that I would get an answer from you, without stereotyping..ie: "you guys should have a special name."
I am not one of the "guys". I am a blog reader who had a question, thats all.
Not all people in the field of supernatural things are fraudsters, althought there are alot, That I agree with you on. I am not promoting anything, just curious as to opinions/
@Wonders
What else am I supposed to think when you make a post like that? You sound like someone looking to justify such things as are known to be in the same class as Bigfoot sightings, UFOs, and faces on toast....
You want to know why people believe things without examining them and questioning them as befits an intelligent and skeptical point of view? Then you are merely answering your own question in that case.
I think most of that stuff is BS knowing how untrustworthy people can be. That is my opinion. Your assertions remain assertions. No one has had any blindingly amazing proofs of the supernatural to date. Falsifiable and non-repeatable "evidence" is not really anything worth using as a basis for rational consideration.
You might not be one of the "guys", but you are using what they have produced. So I don't think I'm too far off the mark.
Christian who believes Jesus is Lord..
This is not our battle to fight only to inform.. Jesus will return for what is his. And the rest will not rest.
@Frank...
Thanks! Please feel free to offer any thoughts you have as well,lol, love to hear both sides. I was mainly addressing un believers as I know they don't believe in spiritual things.
You're welcome, Wonders. You made good points that need to be brought up.
I have had my experiences with certain phenomena but I prefer not to talk about them on Web forums.
I think Frank was "probed" by aliens.
Why must you insist on always insulting me, Sum Dude? I don't recall insulting you once. If I have, I apologize but you have really gone off the deep end with your remarks. How are you helping to make meaningful conversation? What's the point of you posting on here? To tear people down because they don't have the same beliefs as you? That won't get anyone anywhere.
@Frank
Sorry, Frank. I just can't help myself. You make a great big target that I can see without squinting. I'm getting old you see....
you will all feel the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Arrrr.
HAIL STAN! Umm.. SANTA... umm... STEVE.. Damn... I'm not good at this.. I applaud their standing up for their rights. I applaud the ability to do so in this America. I'm afraid that these freedoms will soon disappear. Too much PC stuff going on. The protesters are a bunch of PC'S. Hmm.. Interesting.. Sound that out.. Say it quick.. Hmmmm.... I may have something here.
Christine O'Donnell was on a romantic date.
Shirts vs. skins. Hatfields vs. McCoys
Religious wars have historically always been the bloodiest.
Science flies men to the moon. Religion flies airplanes into buildings.
So what religious issues was WWII fought over?
And if you think 9/11 was about religion, think again.
@Frank – part of the buildup for WWII was Hitler deciding that he as a good Catholic had to exterminate Jews. All of them. And 9/11 maybe didn't have its roots in religion, but that's the tool that was used to convince the silly Saudi buggers on the planes that they should do it: because God wanted them to.
I don't agree with the idea that religion starts every war, either – but it's a tool for getting people to turn off rational thought, and as such is far, far too dangerous and easy to use. It has a place in the runup to every war I can think of, except possiblt WWI – and I might be wrong there, I don't know much about the first one.
Regarding the Nazis (I'm just going to repost an earlier post I made on this):
Hitler was an occultist who would masquerade as a Christian so the largely Lutheran German public would trust him. He was surrounded by lackeys and handlers who practiced a highly negative heretical strain of Nordic Paganism. They were basically a bunch of Blood worshippers. Ever heard of the Thule-Gesellschaft and the Vril Society? How about Nazi Mysticism? The Black Sun and Wewelsburg Castle? THAT was what the top rank Nazis believed, in terms of religion. Himmler was positively obsessed with Aryan Blood Worship, Dark Nordic Paganism and the hidden power of the Vril.
The National Socialists planned to destroy Christianity completely. National Socialism (which is just Aryan Blood Worship) was to be the religion of the German Volk.
My new comments on that subject:
If you want to blame a religion for Hitler's beliefs, you'd better start looking at the German Nordicist occultism which was en vogue in that era. Nazi rallies were simply occult rituals.
I did have something to say about 9/11 in that comment but I can't, for the life of me, figure what 'naughty word' I used that they won't post. So fu_ck it.
Was Christine O'Donnell there? And if so, which side was she on? The Christian's or the Satanists?
Lol.
Serious question for unbelievers.
You seem to be people who deal stri=ctly with facts. I have read c-o=m-ments before that state, "If it were real, and I could point at it, see it, I would believe it.
Can somebody who is open minded yet still carrys this idea, try to explain a couple things for me?
I know none of you believe in so called supern-atural things. Yet, it has been doc=u=mented, if only by being caught on fi-lm, and other devices, ( such as tape recorders) that something beyond what we know as "fl=e=sh and b–lo-od" exists.
Again, I am talking here to open minds...and if these things cannot be explained away by experts in thier field, such as people who are in photography, and know the ins and outs of how things work regarding the same, , then when they say, "I have no explanation" for that image", what do we call it?
If you can see an image of a bo-nif-ide person on a picture, but they say that, what do we think it is?
Also, some of the evp's or electronic voice ph=eno=no-men. Where clearly a voice can be heard di-l=igently speaking?
Then we have people who have been scr-atched by an unseen en=ti=tiy. How do we explain that? It would be easy to just kick to the curb, and say, a blanket statement, like it " don't exist"or Its "imagination", etc.
I am going to try and post some links, to show what I mean. I will post under a seperate post. Would love to hear serious answers to this post though.
I have a friend that is an agnostic, and I have dis-c-u-ssed this with him. He claims that it is something he has considered, like myself, and that he probably would be a full b-l=o-w-n athiest if he too, had answers that shed some light on these things. Thus, he is questioning a "spiritual" existence.
Great post, Wonders.
@Wonders
The possibility of collusion and fraud must be ruled out – if you can't do that (and I don't think you can in your case), then all your "mysterious" bits of nonsense are just BS.
Your "junk science" is used by con-men and other fraudsters so often you guys should have a special name.
Wonders: I know of no examples that have not been debunked. Surely there are things, mysteries, to this universe that defy human understanding. But to believe in sasquatch or ufo's or somesuch because of blurry pictures someone took seems pretty naive.
The Shroud of Turin was a pretty impressive unknown, until it was recently proven to be quite non-religious in creation. It is far more plausible that those unknowns still not explained are due to some simple explanation as yet unknown than to believe they represent some hidden or mysterious force or religion.
I am open minded enough to admit that the Loch Ness monster *could* theoretically exist. It simply makes a LOT more sense to believe that it really doesn't.
Thank you CNN for being extremely biased... I can't wait until another person dies for the world fulfilling some cracked up prophecy thus changing the dominant religion... or even better all those unknowns being known ( which is slowly happening ) so that religion is finally gone. Christianity preaches world peace... as other religions do also... but there will never be a ( in general ) world peace until either the whole world is united under one religion (which preaches peace) or all religions are gone. I once believed in Santa because my parents told me... then I thought about it and realized it was ridiculous... I once believed in a god and then realized it was very unlikely... especially a god that loves.
I'm Catholic, and Satan is coward who lets his minions do the dirty work for him.
While Jesus shows up personally delivering meals on wheels?
I'm Catholic. Catholicism is a corporation, and a corrupt one.
@LiberateUs
So you admit the Pope is Satan? Good. I was wondering if anyone would get around to doing that.
while i don't favor christianity or satanism, and i think just as much as religious rituals are one's freedom and peaceful protests are one's freedom...i'm just wondering: when is the last time satanists protested any kind of christian ritual?
Ah, just what we need – Satanists performing rituals in arenas. I hope they call in a priest to drive out whatever ent!ties these fools called upon. It's nice to see the Christians were protesting peacefully, but I doubt it would do much good.
Just so you know, I own a copy of the Satanic Bible and have read it. I used to be into that stuff. Satanists don't believe in the devil? Some say they don't, the ones who are apart of LaVey's cult shriek that line of argument at any naysayer. But there's different forms of Satanism. The Spiritual Satanists tend to look upon the silly LaVeyan Satanists in disdain. They know what it's really all about. No matter which 'denomination' the Satanist is a part of, they all call upon demons in rituals, it's just that the LaVey cult likes to hide it behind buzzwords like 'psychodrama' and claim they don't believe these beings exist. Either way, what good are you expecting to come of it when you're calling on creatures like Molech (one of the 'infernal names' LaVey lists in the SB to call upon)?
People need some common sense. I feel bad for the people who have duped by this stuff. Satanism is an extremely negative religion.
*who have been duped
@Frank
You have been duped.
Frank: according to at least one very easily accessed source (via Google), "Satan in his original pre-Christian Pagan forms is respected [by Satanists], as a principle rather than a deity. Satanists do not worship Satan just as most Buddhists do not worship Buddha.
"Satanism is Satanism not due to our worship of any deity, but for the philosophy that we stand for. We recognize ourselves as gods, and we hold our own perspective on life as holy and revere our own experiences as the only truth we can ever know.
"Satanism is the utter rejection of the spiritual way of theistic religions, and the honest admittence [sic] that we are just animals who evolve as any other complex system."
So I think your characterization is incorrect.
What a well thought out and reasoned retort. Simply astounding. Oh, my gosh.
Edwin, you can even go to Wikipedia to look these things up. There is more than one type of Satanism in existence. LaVey's silly little cult doesn't speak for all of Satanism. LaVey was a shameless liar and plagerist, anyway. There are plenty of Satanic groups that do indeed worship Satan and Lucifer. Even ones that worship other dark gods and goddesses such as Set and Lilith.
But even the LaVey followers call upon demons in their rituals. They can claim that they don't believe in them all they want, but they sure love giving them power!
Besides all that, the whole premise of LaVeyan Satanism is negative and destructive. The philosophy, when stripped of it's religious trappings, is Randian extreme capitalism, extreme Social Darwinism (many Satanists, as well as Setians, go to the extreme and are outright Fascists, if not Nazis) and Nietzschean philosophy.
*plagiarist
Nico Claux, n#crophiliac p#rvert that he is, is a good example of what Satanism is really about. Oh, he's a true believer and an actually well-spoken person.