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November 18th, 2010
02:30 PM ET

Family waits to see if mother, accused of blasphemy, will be hanged

Editor's Note: CNN's Reza Sayah files this report from Itan Wali, Pakistan.

In this village in Pakistan's Punjab province a tearful 12-year-old girl ponders if the Pakistani government will soon hang her mother.

"Whenever I see her picture I cry," Isham Masih told CNN. "I want my mother back. That's what I'm praying for."

This month a Pakistani court sentenced Isham's mother, 45-year-old Asia Bibi, to death, not because she killed, injured or stole, but simply because she said something.

Prosecutors say Bibi, who is a Christian, broke Pakistan's strict blasphemy law by insulting Islam and the prophet Muhammad, a crime punishable by death or life imprisonment according to Pakistan's penal code.

The alleged incident happened in June 2009 when Bibi, a field worker, was picking fruit in a village two hours west of Lahore. Prosecutors say when Bibi dipped her cup into a bucket of drinking water during a lunch break, her co-workers complained the water had been contaminated by a non-Muslim.

Read the full story here.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Asia • Christianity • Courts • Islam • Muslim • Pakistan

soundoff (94 Responses)
  1. J Cane

    Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

    November 19, 2010 at 5:45 pm |
  2. Muneef

    Not sure but think the Quran has only one verse mentioned that is similar but might not be the case here...

    Al-Anaam Sura 06:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allâh, lest they insult Allâh wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair¬seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.[] (108) 

    November 19, 2010 at 12:49 pm |
    • Muneef

      But there is more about it found in the Hadith which she should have been ware of living in an Islamic Ruled State?

      http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?58071-Punishment-of-those-who-insult-the-prophet.-Islam-Haters-declare-quot-draw-muhammad-day-quot

      November 19, 2010 at 12:59 pm |
    • Muneef

      This link as well with punishment:
      http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/content/articles/Art054_06022006.html

      November 19, 2010 at 1:16 pm |
    • civilioutside

      If I read that correctly, it says that scholars agree that the punishment should be death. The Quran says it should be to have a hand and a foot cut off. The Hadith recounts a story of a slave woman who insulted Muhammad and he was originally angry to learn that she had been killed until given the full story about how she had persisted in insulting him in spite of her master's orders for her to stop. It's unclear from the portion quoted whether Muhammad felt her death was justified because she insulted him or because she repeatedly disobeyed her master's orders.

      November 19, 2010 at 1:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      But have found this most interesting link that is against all Hadith that does not come from the Quran!? That's why it is safer to stick to Quran and not get confused and lost in the branches of Hadith...! Therefore please do not ask me who in these links is Right or who is Wrong..
      http://www.submission.org/had-corruption.html 

      November 19, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
    • Muneef

      Can tell you though that to me both are complications and the latter is not so accurate as well therefore can say Muslims should stick to Quran but are to watch out from translations in to foreign lang-uage as well as from Quran explanations whether Arabic to Arabic or in to foreign lang-uage.
      May Allah Almighty the most merciful forgive me for the comment.

      November 19, 2010 at 2:02 pm |
    • Reality

      Read the koran? Why?

      The following vitiates all that is in said book:

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs/tenets.

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave attended to by his wives before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      November 19, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Sum Dude.
      @Frogist.

      Dear's check this rich word and take the link.

      "fine-line-between-genius-and-insanity" 

      Check the word that means God inspire's revelations directly communicating with minds and not at all occasions through the Holy Spirit. And only by reading you will realize more that there were no angels or what you call fairies coming and going as told in many translations and explanations..! 
          
      The Meaning of Wahy
      The word awha, from which 'wahy' (revelation) is derived, occurs in a number of shades of meaning in the Qur'an, each of them indicating the main underlying idea of inspiration directing or guiding someone. In each example below, the italicised words in the translation are forms of the root word wahy in the original text of the Qur'an:
      http://www.sunnipath.com/library/books/B0040P0004.aspx

      November 19, 2010 at 6:07 pm |
    • Keith

      Muneef, Doesn't your conscience tell you that just perhaps there is something VERY wrong with islam when you see stories like this? Or see people blowing themselves up an a crowded bus? Or flying planes into buildings? Or throwing a grenade into a playground full of kindergarteners and calling it "heroic"? I know God's ways aren't our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts, but islam is utterly ridiculous.

      November 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Keith.

      Yes I do feel for sure there is some thing wrong that was not there before only starting during the 90's? Any way I think that Islam is great but was complicated by having many branches established out of it beside other many factors. But what ever is happening is not of the real Islam of the Quran...these are politicly motivated imams taking advantage of the ignorance of youth that are not aware or brainwashed to do these unacceptable actions believing they are on right track..! And only God knows what or who else doing such things getting Islam accused for it,..?

      November 22, 2010 at 11:19 am |
    • Muneef

      @Keith.

      Kindly find a useful book to read to get the right picture of Islam...

      http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/14quran.htm

      November 22, 2010 at 11:22 am |
  3. civilioutside

    An important line from the full article states that neither the Koran nor Muhammad's teachings in the Hadith call for the execution of blasphemers. Would any of our Muslim respondents care to comment on the accuracy of this statement? Because it would seem to suggest that this is a case of people acting out of pure bloody-mindedness, using their religion as the basis for an act of cruelty that isn't even justified within the context of that religion.

    And anybody who "weeps tears of joy" at the idea that a woman could be killed and her children left motherless because she insulted somebody who died 1400 years ago is, IMO, a loathsome human being no matter how they justify it.

    November 19, 2010 at 11:44 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      Blasphemy is a capital offense in Islam. It is OK to "blaspheme" in your heart, but it is not OK to "blashpeme" on public radio. In the case of this lady, the correct Islamic punishment is for the judge to ask her co-workers to renounce what they heard her say in order to save her life. But if the co-workers insist, and the co-workers are upright citizens reporting the blasphemy for no ulterior reason, but as blashpemy per se, then she is liable to face the death sentence under Islamic Law. She can renounce what she herself said and in public "admit she made a mistake" and the death penalty could be revoked. Assuming that she did so, simply out of missionary zeal. Had she done so, as a citizen of the US or any other nation at war with Islam, death would have been the only option with no recourse for renouncement. This is the law of Islam. Pretty fair.

      For the average westerner, blasphemy, adultery, Banking Theft and Usury Fraud, Alcoholism etc etc are play things, almost a joke, but for Muslims, these are serious violations of other people's rights and honor.

      November 20, 2010 at 4:12 pm |
  4. JohnQuest

    I have fat fingered again Seath = Death.

    November 19, 2010 at 10:28 am |
  5. JohnQuest

    Seath Sentence for a made up "thought crime", how 14th century of them. How backward can a people be, this is what we will have if the Christian Fundamentalist take over the country, thank God for Atheist.

    November 19, 2010 at 10:27 am |
  6. David Johnson

    @Frogist

    You said: "What takes the cake is all those crying in joy at her demise. Like some great wrong had been righted."

    I am often on the receiving end of "You will burn in hell, forever!" proclamations. I can practically see the author of these, smiling.
    The Westboro Baptist Church say they are happy when people suffer a disaster, or die and presumably go the hell. They say it's the will of their god.

    How does one human rejoice that another is going to burn forever?

    It is not hard for me to imagine that a great many people would vote for my hanging, for blasphemy against their fairy tale god.

    November 19, 2010 at 9:44 am |
    • Frogist

      @David Johnson: Oh I know it happens. You can see it here when people post. They just love the idea of their superiority and your suffering. I know it happens. I'm just still taken aback by it. People can be cruel. But people who claim love and kindness as their own? Irony at it's highest.

      November 19, 2010 at 10:49 am |
  7. Frogist

    What takes the cake is all those crying in joy at her demise. Like some great wrong had been righted. Besides the fact that blasphemy laws are abusive tools of oppression, besides totalitarian religious states being unused to freedom of speech, besides the differences between Islam and Christianity... Putting all that aside, how does one human being rejoice that another is going to be killed? How do they not find compassion or concern for a mother of 3 young children? I don't understand their callous nature. And I hope I never share it.

    November 19, 2010 at 9:32 am |
  8. PAGANGRL69

    "Religion" is the biggest Manmade Hoax of "Hypocracy" ever Invented thus far...It's disgusting and pathetic!!!

    November 19, 2010 at 9:31 am |
    • David Johnson

      Yes, but blogging about it is better than drinking alone.

      Cheers!

      November 19, 2010 at 9:34 am |
    • Pastafarian

      Religion is the prodict of man, not God. Until we learn to think for ourselves and not believe in magic sky people, stories like these will never go away.

      November 28, 2010 at 11:22 pm |
  9. PAGANGRL69

    Hi!

    November 19, 2010 at 9:20 am |
  10. Joanne

    This is really horrible, and I hope this poor woman and her children can find safe haven somewhere. I don't believe its as much about "religous" belief, as the fact some will use it to kill in the name of!
    I am sure if religion were no longer present, some would find a "reason" to carry on thier heinous deeds.
    Jesus did teach not to kill and love one another, Despite that, people still do it and used Christianity for the same purpose. Its a sad world we live in!

    November 19, 2010 at 7:21 am |
    • David Johnson

      You said: "This is really horrible, and I hope this poor woman and her children can find safe haven somewhere. I don't believe its as much about "religous" belief, as the fact some will use it to kill in the name of!"

      Why isn't it about religion? She was found guilty of blaslphemy against the Muslim prophet. Sure seems to be about religion to me.

      To the Muslims, this isn't a heinous deed. From their perspective, what the woman did was a hangin' error.

      Christianity use to burn people at the stake for blasphemy. Christianity has been around 500 years longer than the Religion of Islam.
      They no longer burn people at the stake, but some still murder in the name of their god.

      Hopefully, all religions will evolve and become less blood thirsty. Or, maybe go away...

      Cheers!

      November 19, 2010 at 8:23 am |
  11. Muneef

    @Keith.

    At the present and with this hot media publicity exposure only The King of KSA has the Holy Power if to do any thing about for her getting a lower sentence or be released for deportation any where on Earth !! and hope that won't be difficult after all the King and the Kingdom are a good valuable friends and Allies of the USA although am not sure about their relation with Pakistan if still any respect remains between both countries.

    November 19, 2010 at 6:40 am |
    • Muneef

      In my personal opinion being a mother of three underage children she should not be punished severly but moved to deferential area to live to raise her children rather than leaving her children orphans for a word said...!
      Beside that if this woman was provoked into replying this way, those who provoked her should be brought to justice and sentenced for having provoked her as I feel she was being discriminated and thus that was the final stroke what got her say those words of insult! Otherwise this drama will continue provoking non Muslims into saying such highly punishable insults.
      May God have mercy on her soul and free her from this nightmare. Amen.

      November 19, 2010 at 6:52 am |
    • Frogist

      @Muneef: How about just repealing the blasphemy laws? Then no one can be punished for speaking out whether provoked or not. Are there not more important crimes to deal with than how women gossip at each other in a field?

      November 19, 2010 at 9:24 am |
    • Muneef

      @Frogist.

      Dear I am not working or aware of the laws of legal or sharia systems but as a Muslim know that cursing all that is considered holy can bring a whole lot of trouble for Muslim or not Muslim specially if there were many witnesses against you, said tobe not less than two men or four women. And if it is for the first time it might just pass with a fine or wiping or imprisonment but if it is repeated more than once then it might reach to extreme sentence..

      November 19, 2010 at 12:15 pm |
    • Muneef

      @Frogist.
      As it seems that was not women gossip but she was discriminated being one among many Muslims and maybe she was not wanted in the village it self and maybe that why she was intentionally targeted or because she was not behaving as she should and had a previous complaint against her as mentioned in the blog before this one?
      But in this blog see what it says:
      Prosecutors say when Bibi dipped her cup into a bucket of drinking water during a lunch break, her co-workers complained the water had been contaminated by a non-Muslim.!! And that is not fair on behalf of a believer,God worshiper...

      November 19, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Muneef: I'm not talking about sharia law or the tenets of Islam, just the legally binding laws of Pakistan. Coming from a place where religion and govt are supposed to be separate, I don't understand why the governmentally-enforced law that is supposed to act for everyone, needs to be tied to religious law that only relates to some. I disagree strongly with her being harrassed for her religious views. But how is being harrassed by the women at work different from her govt harrassing her for her religious stance?

      November 19, 2010 at 1:03 pm |
  12. Gary

    religion is disgusting

    November 18, 2010 at 10:52 pm |
    • conan the contrarion

      your mom is disgusting...

      November 18, 2010 at 11:04 pm |
    • PAGANGRL69

      I completely agree...

      November 19, 2010 at 9:24 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      I don't agree that his mom is disgusting. Sorry.

      November 20, 2010 at 4:02 pm |
  13. riverrunner

    this is pathetic. even christians dont threaten to kill me when i inform them that god isn't there.

    November 18, 2010 at 10:20 pm |
    • David Johnson

      No, the Christians just take pleasure that you will burn forever and ever.

      November 19, 2010 at 9:48 am |
    • jersey

      i dont think you honestly believe that david. i think you're trying to get a rise out of believers. and that's cool if you are, i guess you need some way to entertain yourself.

      but i can say that i am a Christian and do not enjoy the idea of hell- even for the likes of hitler.

      but- if you do honestly believe that Christians enjoy the idea of others going to hell, i don't blame you one bit for hating Christians, or at least making that type of contemptuous sweeping generalization.

      November 19, 2010 at 9:58 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Jersey
      i dont think you honestly believe that david. i think you're trying to get a rise out of believers. and that's cool if you are, i guess you need some way to entertain yourself.

      I find believers entertaining, because they believe silly things. I don't say things to get a rise out of anyone.

      Others have also noted the glee with which Christians predict a horrible agonizing eternity for non-believers. You can practically see them licking their lips in anticipation.

      I do not believe it. I only note that it is in keeping with the Muslim desire to inflict pain and punishment on non-believers.

      I just don't want Christians to start believing they really are better than others. Christians also desire pain for those who don't believe as they do. The Christians of today, are just content to wait until the person dies.

      Cheers!

      November 19, 2010 at 11:06 am |
    • jersey

      david, you're implying that all Christians desire for a painful eternity for those who do not believe.

      do you really think every Christian does? or do you think the westboro people are representative of all Christians?

      November 19, 2010 at 11:11 am |
    • riverrunner

      I don't think most are gleeful about hell for others but I have certainly been threatened with it by christian 'friends' and even my delusional fundy mother. how sweet is that? maybe god should have killed me when I did believe in him.

      November 20, 2010 at 6:48 pm |
    • Keith

      David Johnson, Christians don't believe we're better than others, but because we repent from our sins and accept the fact that Christ paid our penalty at the Cross, we are definetly better off.

      November 20, 2010 at 9:38 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Keith

      No, you aren't better off. You are just deluded.

      Read your post above. You sound delighted that Jesus is going to come back one day and take his vengeance.

      Cheers!

      November 22, 2010 at 9:15 am |
  14. Keith

    These muslim cowards should let her go. Free Asia Bibi. If your 'allah' is a god, then certainly he can take care of himself. If muhamed is truly a prophet of god, then he should be able to take care of himself, too. Why do they need you to defend them???? Kind of reminds me of Gideon and Elijah in the Bible dealing with the false gods of Baal and Ashteroh. Islam is fake. What are you going to do? Come to Michigan and kill me? Be advised, Nov.15-30 is firearm deer season here. 650,000 hunters with high-powered rifles out and about. I might just be amongst them with my 30-06. Quit being cowards. Let this woman go. Pick on someone your own size. Let her go.

    November 18, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Assuming the woman knew the law, then it was her decision. She should not have talked smack about Muhammed.

      You said: " If your 'allah' is a god, then certainly he can take care of himself."

      She is a Christian. She also has a god. Let her god take care of her.

      Let's let the two gods sort it out. Like the mythical gods of old, they will battle for supremecy! LOL

      Don't worry Keith. You won't have to git yer deer rifle out to protect yourself. Which, was dumb. Note how others marked for death are killed. Moslty, it's a suprise visit. Even the good Christians, who murder medical personel, do this.

      The world is watching. I don't think they will kill her.

      Cheers!

      November 19, 2010 at 8:09 am |
    • Frogist

      @Keith: How Christian of you to insult those who are different from you, and then threaten them with violence. But, that's ok. I don't think it ever said in the bible to turn your high powered 30-06 into ploughshares. Just the swords. Lucky we don't use those anymore!

      November 19, 2010 at 9:19 am |
    • Keith

      You can read whatever you want into my comments. It's painfully obvious that we do not think alike. I doubt we ever will. One of my points is this: I won't line up to have my throat slit by these murderers. Some of you seem to think Jesus was some anemic wimp and all Christians should turn the other cheek. I will never submit to islam, so therefore they have to kill me. I fight back. Mock me, insult me, I really don't give two hoots in hell what you think. Jesus will come back in due time and he won't be having tea a cookies with those who reject Him as Lord. Islam included. They will be wiped out-by Jesus himself. I feel bad for them, but at the same time, I won't take any crap off them-or anyone else for that matter. What's the matter David- you 'talk smack' against God all the time. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. You will answer for your blasphemy someday. In the mean time, Jesus doesn't need me or anyone else to be His 'junkyard dog'. Evidently, mohamed needs Pakistan to defend him since he is impotent to defend himself. Don't mean to change the subject, but did you check out the General Pershing thing about the pigs blood?

      November 19, 2010 at 7:27 pm |
    • Keith

      Just as a side note. One story I read(not on CNN) stated that Asia Bibi was being hassled by co-workers who wanted her to renounce her Christian faith. When she refused, they brought these false charges against her. She wasn't 'talking smack'. But I'm sure you have your 'facts' in order.

      November 19, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
    • Jim

      “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matt 24:36
      “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matt 24:37

      “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” Matt 24:42
      “But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.” Matt 24:43

      “But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;” Matt 24:48
      “The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matt 24:50-51

      “And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.” Matt 25:6
      “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.” Matt 25:13

      What happens if we don't watch?

      “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. “ Rev 3:3

      What happens if we do watch?

      “Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. “ Luke 12:37

      The magnitude of people who cannot see this is startling!

      Judgment begins May 21, 2011. "Go ye out to meet him". Get out of the church...any church...and go to the bible.

      November 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Keith

      You said: "Jesus will come back in due time and he won't be having tea a cookies with those who reject Him as Lord. Islam included. They will be wiped out-by Jesus himself."

      Jesus predicted He would return in the 1st Century. He didn't. I think He is umm...dead.

      I know, the fundies use theological gymnastics to avoid the the literal interpretation of Jesus's prediction. But, it is what it is. People can read it for themselves. There is a group called the Preterists who accept Jesus's literal statement. I believe the Catholics also believe Jesus's literal words.

      But, I guess it's okay to manipulate Jesus's words to conform to fundie ideas. LOL

      November 22, 2010 at 9:11 am |
  15. Craig Koch

    Can someone take her place?

    November 18, 2010 at 6:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Craig Koch

      You said : "Can someone take her place?"

      Are you volunteering?

      November 19, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      how about a deserving christian be allowed to take her place, Bush, Blair, Cheney?

      November 20, 2010 at 4:01 pm |
  16. Izzy

    Listen these people how write the news twists the story so they can make you hate muslims and like the israelis

    November 18, 2010 at 6:15 pm |
    • Butterfly

      No. I disagree with Muslims because they sentence mothers to death for speaking out against lies. As well as crash planes into towers in the name of Allah. As well as murder their daughters for wanting to go to college. People can believe what they choose. But I refuse to believe Islam.

      November 18, 2010 at 8:05 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Do you really believe that it is all Muslims that believe as such kid? I mean as just humans on this planet we have killed for so many things, love of God or just for the love of money and power.

      November 18, 2010 at 11:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Izzy

      You said: "Listen these people how write the news twists the story so they can make you hate muslims and like the israelis"

      It is what it is, Izzy. If you can show me where the Israelis are hanging a mother for blasphemy, and the news doesn't mention it, then I will accept your idea as credible.

      I don't hate Muslims. But, I think there is evidence to support that they are quick to choose violence as a solution.

      I don't think the Israelis are right about a lot of things. I think the Palestinians are not treated fairly by them.

      Cheers!

      November 19, 2010 at 8:41 am |
    • Frogist

      @Izzy: And what is your "correct" version of the story? Seems to me that every version I've read puts Pakistani law, and all who support it, muslim or otherwise, in a bad light. How you then make the leap from Pakistan to Israel, I have no idea.
      @Butterfly: Unless you count all religion as having "lies", your bias against Islam is pretty clear in your statement.
      @David: None of the muslims I have ever known are quick to violence or hatred. And I've come to that knowledge after having lived with them for some 17 yrs. As you might well understand, any religious majority without checks on their rise to power, can exert their feelings of superiority by stomping on the minority.

      November 19, 2010 at 9:13 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Frogist

      I have come to love you like a sister, but...

      My real sister has a pit bull. She also has 3 young kids. So far, the mutt is docile and loving. But, when I read the paper I notice the breed has the propensity for eating children. Hmm...

      The people you know are docile and loving. But when I read the paper I notice the Muslims have a propensity for violence. Hmm...

      Concerned, in Arizona

      November 19, 2010 at 9:31 am |
    • Frogist

      @David Johnson: Well I thank you for your concern, DJ. But there is no need for it. I think what we have to do with you is get you a bit more out in the world! Muslims are not a different breed of humans any more than Christians are. (LOL! I know that doesn't buy much credibility with you.) But people from different regions of the world obviously have different att!tudes towards their fellow man. They have different cultural constructs. I share a cultural and regional similarity to the muslim families I speak of. And that's why I don't fear muslims as much as the next guy. But even within these regions and cultures we still have individuals. And those individuals don't always go by the rules. Granted that's a double-edged sword, but dealing with people always is. So while it can mean that there are those like KSM who seek to kill because of Islam, there are those like my friends, who seek to be kind and open also because of Islam. My friends obviously have a different point of view than Asia Bibi's detractors. I guess it comes down to this: do you truly believe that a Pakistani who believes that religion is worth killing for is the same as an American who does not? It's a question of faith I suppose... faith in humanity.
      And don't get me wrong, I understand the fear that people have. I lived thru 9/11 too. But I think that fear, while understandable, is not helpful. As a nation we've spread that fear over anything and anyone we consider "muslim". And that makes it hard to pinpoint the real threat when it turns up. There are muslims who do not seek our destruction in the here and now. I choose to recognise their similarities to my goals and their differences to the goals of those who seek to harm us.
      Just-not-very-concerned, in Joisey 😉

      November 19, 2010 at 10:10 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Butterfly

      You said, "No. I disagree with Muslims because they sentence mothers to death for speaking out against lies. As well as crash planes into towers in the name of Allah. As well as murder their daughters for wanting to go to college. People can believe what they choose. But I refuse to believe Islam."

      I'm not sure I agree with you Butterfly. Putting my daughter through college was really expensive...

      November 19, 2010 at 10:47 am |
    • 35121

      hahaha butterfly you are discriminating a lot of ppl. My best friend is muslim and would she ever hurt a fly let alone crash a plane into a building. Oh wait, you are also discriminating against me. thats why i go to an ivy league college. so here is to u butterfly for making a fool of yourself. belive wat you wanna belive, but you hurt someone.

      November 20, 2010 at 3:33 am |
  17. TheRationale

    This is what happens when you let religion run things. You fail to graduate from the Dark Ages.

    November 18, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    • PAGANGRL69

      I second that...well said!

      November 19, 2010 at 9:35 am |
    • David Johnson

      @TheRationale

      And, if the Christian Right gets their way, we will be reliving those ages.

      November 19, 2010 at 11:21 am |
    • 35121

      wow that could have been the worst thing i have ever read. you have to understand that i think that even though this is wrong, she had to think about the outcome that this is insulting religion. I am Christian, if someone said that jesus/god is a killer, bad man, terrorist i would be pretty upset. but i do agree this is wrong, she shouldn't be executed.

      November 20, 2010 at 3:17 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      When you let religion disappear, you progress from the Dark Ages to the Ultra Dark Ages. Where you

      A) gas millions of jews to death in factory like death camps.
      B) kidnap millions of ne gros from Africa and use them as farm animals in plantations
      C) kill millions, possibly hundreds of millions, in World Wars, killing events with no apparent purpose or conclusion.

      November 20, 2010 at 3:59 pm |
  18. honestanon

    OK, quick, someone tell me why we gave Pakistan nukes when my Verizon customer service calls get routed to Madras? Maybe we need to activate the disarm codes to the nukes we gave them... and not bother telling them.

    November 18, 2010 at 3:56 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @honestanon
      We never gave Pakistan nukes as far as I can determine. Can you provide proof or links that we did anything that stupid?

      November 18, 2010 at 6:20 pm |
    • honestanon

      @ Dude

      {Cue ethereal music and a booming god-like voice} Ask and he will provide...

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan

      Read it and weep. How come the initials C.I.A. always rear their ugly head? We (and several European countries as well) have sold them lots of stuff since the Russians left Afghanistan. SSDD. Except as they've had an active research program since the early '80s, our role could be soft-pedaled as an 'enabler.' There's more substantiation; you just have to dig for it. Sadly, it usually involves sub-stories of how someone was killed, disbarred, or otherwise discredited. Skull and Bones-type members never seem to realize any fallout.

      {god-like voice returns} And your planet, oblivious, spins 'round and 'round... just like it will after you're all gone.

      November 18, 2010 at 7:24 pm |
    • honestanon

      More? Here's one that's pretty well footnoted –

      http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Pakistan/PakOrigin.html

      November 18, 2010 at 7:37 pm |
    • honestanon

      Do you enjoy a little "light reading?"

      http://www.amazon.ca/Deception-Pakistan-United-Nuclear-Weapons/dp/0802715540/ref=sr_1_1/701-1002596-1255537?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195589189&sr=1-1

      All this is well-publicized.

      November 18, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @honestanon

      To the contrary, those links (the second one was the best) only prove, as it were, that the US did NOT give Pakistan any nuclear weapons.
      Pakistan got its first leg up in the world of nuclear technology from CANADA, who provided only the bare rudiments of nuclear power equipment and some actual fuel.
      After Pakistan's usual internal mess-making, Canada stopped helping them – and this was back in the early 70s!
      After that Pakistan got the majority of the equipment needed through a wide variety of sources, virtually none of them included the USA.
      Pakistan even had to smuggle tritium gas out of Germany, played "footsie" with China, North Korea, and anyone else they could buy tech plans and equipment from.
      Even all of Pakistan's missiles are not US made – they are mostly Chinese and North Korean designs.
      We sold them some jets, and maybe some of them could be modified to deploy nuclear bombs, but we did not give them any bombs, nuclear fuel, or even help them all that much in that area.

      So I think those links are not helping your case, honestanon. They are proving that Pakistan developed their nuclear ar-senal on their own with a little help in the way of equipment, plans, etc., from everyone BUT the USA with few exceptions.

      Did you even read that stuff? I have to wonder....?

      November 18, 2010 at 9:50 pm |
    • honestanon

      @Dude

      Please read both articles again, and more closely this time.

      "In 1960 the US gave Pakistan a $350,000 grant to help prepare Pakistan for its first research reactor which the United States agreed to supply two years later. This reactor, a 5 MW light-water research reactor known as the Pakistan Atomic Research Reactor (PARR-1), began operating in 1965 at Pinstech in Nilore."

      I wonder how you could qualify "virtually" and "few exceptions" in regards to nuclear tech? Or the expose of covert sharing of said tech? Sounds like a 'horseshoes and hand-grenades' kind of argument. Of course we didn't ship them a half-dozen Minuteman III ICBMs, but we certainly aided in their acquisition of knowledge and parts necessary for them to "home-build" their own.

      Now I'm really interested. Think I'll go get a copy of the Levy/Scott-Clark book. You should, too.

      November 18, 2010 at 11:25 pm |
    • Sum Dude

      @honestanon

      You said, "OK, quick, someone tell me why we gave Pakistan nukes when my Verizon customer service calls get routed to Madras? Maybe we need to activate the disarm codes to the nukes we gave them... and not bother telling them."

      Now you're telling me different. Okay. Whether you take our involvement as a percentage of the total or even adjust for other variables, those links you gave showed that our involvement was minimal. And your hyperbole of "why we gave Pakistan nukes" and "activate the disarm codes" suddenly loses a lot of credibility.

      If you think I am misunderstanding you, consider that you did not really clarify, elaborate, or include disclaimers within your original posts. You made it sound like we gave them nukes when we did not.

      November 19, 2010 at 12:30 am |
    • honestanon

      @ Dude

      Ha! Sure – I know all about "disarm codes"... about as well as I know where your dog hid your slippers last night. For someone who favors the routine use of sarcasm and belligerence when dealing with the fragile psyches of "fundies" in issues of religion, I'm surprised you can't recognize such obvious facetious language. Yep, I'd better be careful about the secrets I blog about here, or my security clearance to Los Alamos might be revoked... Oh-oh.

      But, aside from my cheesy comedy about "disarm codes" (really? you bit on THAT?) the issue of our having shared nuclear technology with them is frightening. And yes – It's all too obvious – both the Guardian article and the Levy/Scott-Clark book have been around since '07.

      Later, Dude.

      November 21, 2010 at 12:45 am |
  19. Reality

    How Muslims of all races can save themselves:

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Pakistanis, are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs/tenets.

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave attended to by his wives before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    November 18, 2010 at 3:22 pm |
    • honestanon

      @ Dude

      {Cue ethereal music and a booming god-like voice} Ask and he will provide...

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan

      Read it and weep. How come the initials C.I.A. always rear their ugly head? We (and several European countries as well) have sold them lots of stuff since the Russians left Afghanistan. SSDD. Except as they've had an active research program since the early '80s, our role could be soft-pedaled as an 'enabler.' There's more substantiation; you just have to dig for it. Sadly, it usually involves sub-stories of how someone was killed, disbarred, or otherwise discredited. Skull and Bones-type members never seem to realize any fallout.

      {god-like voice returns} And your planet, oblivious, spins 'round and 'round... just like it will after you're all gone.

      November 18, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
  20. Elizabeth

    This is outrageous !!! How about human rights , free speech ??? Where is the US government , why don't they raise the issue with the Pakistani government ? This has to be stopped !

    November 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Free speech is not part of Pakistani national consciousness.
      In fact, their consti.tution has been enacted and suspended something like 6 times since it was first written in 1973.
      The country is 95% muslim (75% Sunni, 20% Shia) – Mohammad wasn't too concerned with free speech.
      As for US intervention with their government – countries tend to stay out of each other's internal affairs and specifically, other's judicial systems lest a diplomatic incident lead to war.
      Pakistan's political stability is tenuous at best.
      The country has pretty much been at war since the 1940's with India over the Kashmir territory – and both countries are nuclear powers.
      Pakistan is also teetering on the brink of civil war, with the military struggling to contain insurgents on the border with Afghanistan.

      The U.S. is loathe to get too involved in all of this strife. Wouldn't want to set off a nuclear war in the middle east!

      November 18, 2010 at 3:42 pm |
    • eggs

      wow- some people believe in limited government. others believe in the united states government imposing on every government in the world...

      November 18, 2010 at 4:15 pm |
    • American Solder

      To be honest I say they dont care because its none of other countries concern. I dont agree but lets face it she knew what would happened and broke the law. If you kill someone in amaerica you know you go to jail does that stop people?? No it dont

      November 19, 2010 at 2:41 pm |
    • American Solder

      I have to laugh at them about Mohammad because from what people read about him people think all he did was kill people. I think he was a terrorist

      November 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm |
    • 35121

      I agree this shouldn't happen. But in response to your freedom of speech thing, if she were in the US things would be diffrent. but she isn't, its wrong, but she isnt.

      November 20, 2010 at 3:08 am |
    • (B)iraq Hussein Osama

      Yeah, the US Government should raise the issue with the Pakistanis. Next time, the US Government is making its monthly delivery of US Handmade weapon systems and Killing Machines. They should demand the release of Bibi Infidel.

      November 20, 2010 at 3:56 pm |
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