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December 1st, 2010
09:22 PM ET

Conservative Christians blast Apple decision to discontinue app

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN

A coalition of conservative Christian leaders blasted Apple on Wednesday for discontinuing an app the group had created because the technology giant said the app was offensive.

The Christian leaders had created the app to promote a document that urges opposition to abortion and gay marriage and support for religious liberty, among other positions.

An Apple spokeswoman confirmed the company had removed the app, which was called the Manhattan Declaration after the document it was meant to promote, from Apple's online iTunes and iPhone stores.

"It violates our developer guidelines by being offensive to large groups of people," said Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris, who said the app was removed last week.

The Manhattan Declaration app allowed users to sign and share the the declaration and included a four-question quiz that featured questions like "Do you support same-sex relationships?" and "Do you support the right of choice regarding abortion?"

The app computes a score for the quiz depending on how many "correct" answers a user gave.

Kerris said that Apple had heard from "large groups of people" about the app but declined to answer questions about who complained about the app and about which part or parts were deemed offensive, saying "I'd rather not got into further detail."

Prominent gay bloggers had criticized the app, focusing on the quiz.

Chuck Colson, a former aide to President Richard Nixon turned evangelical leader, said Wednesday that he was disappointed in the decision and because Apple had declined to respond to his requests for an explanation.

"If you have a public communications company, you have a responsibility to see that certain views are not suppressed," he said. "This is a dangerous thing to do in a free society."

Colson helped draft the Manhattan Declaration last year, which promoters say has garnered more than 478,000 signatures.

A spokeswoman for the declaration said Wednesday that Apple had approved and posted its app in October and that it had received a 4 plus rating for "no objectionable content."

"...Numerous attempts to have a dialogue via phone have been ignored," the spokeswoman, Michelle Farmer, said of the leaders' attempts to reach out to Apple. "Now leaders with the Manhattan Declaration are asking its supporters to get involved and pressure Jobs and Apple to reinstate the Christian app."

Colson and two other declaration drafters sent a letter to Apple CEO Steve Jobs on Monday asking that the app be reinstated.

In an interview, Colson said that if the quiz was considered offensive, he would have it removed.

Asked whether Apple had any plans to reinstate the app, Kerris said Wednesday that she had "no further comment."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay marriage • Technology

soundoff (285 Responses)
  1. Shawn 3023994267

    Its too easy to be a hypocrite like these "christians". Im racist against racists thus making me a racist? Nothing makes sense. Decent minded women text? Rehoboth Bch,DE

    December 1, 2010 at 11:45 pm |
    • Daniel

      Shawn you are very far from having the ability or the credibility to make a point. However, you are on the right path.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:55 pm |
    • pcarini

      The word 'racist' has a well defined meaning, and has nothing to do with disliking a person's views.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:01 am |
  2. BruceBanner

    I feel as though Christians have really lost their way and forgot what it means to be Christian. Being Christian is about spreading the word of the Lord. It's not about spreading hate, blowing up hospitals and clinics, using your power in the church to molest children or become rich. Christians are supposed to "Love thy neighbor" and not sit around thinking about ways they can destroy their neighbors.

    December 1, 2010 at 11:41 pm |
    • Daniel

      Bruce, you like so many other "Christians" have taken Christianity out of context. And the Love Thy Neighbor bit is an example. If you choose to use/reference the Bible, give us the context within which the passage is found. In other words, what was said above and below and what do Biblical scholars have to say about the passage. You, again, like so many others, are destroying The Faith.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:58 pm |
    • Shocked

      Daniel, "Love thy neighbor" or the equivalent is found in multiple places in the Bible. Also, this isn't just found in Bibles, but also other religions.
      Here is some background on where the "Golden Rule" comes from.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

      December 2, 2010 at 12:30 am |
    • Mike, not me

      Shocked, even as the reference you quoted states only in the Bible do we find the positive form of the "Golden rule"

      "Jesus' teaching, however, goes beyond the negative formulation of not doing what one would not like done to themselves, to the positive formulation of actively doing good to another that, if the situations were reversed, one would desire that the other would do for them. This formulation, as indicated in the parable of the Good Samaritan, emphasises the needs for positive action that brings benefit to another, not simply restraining oneself from negative activities that hurt another."

      December 2, 2010 at 8:16 am |
    • David Johnson

      Source: Wikipedia

      Note the dates:
      An early example of the Golden Rule that reflects the Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant which is dated to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do." An example from a Late Period (c. 664 BC – 323 BCE) papyrus: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."

      The Golden Rule in its prohibitive form was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. Examples of the general concept include:

      "Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus (c. 640–568 BCE)

      "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales

      "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. " – $extus the Pythagorean.

      "One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him." – Plato's Socrates (Crito, 49c) (c. 469 BC–399 BCE)

      At the time of Hillel, an elder contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth, the negative form of the golden rule already must have been proverbial, because of the accordances with Tobit 4:15. When asked to sum up the entire Torah concisely, he answered:

      "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
      —Talmud, Shabbat 31a
      "Recognize that your neighbor feels as you do, and keep in mind your own dislikes."
      —Sirach 31:15

      Hillel said: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn" (Shab. 31a). Hillel recognized brotherly love as the fundamental principle of Jewish moral law. (Lev. xix. 18).

      Hillel was preaching the brotherly love philosophy before Jesus. And Hillel was not the Messiah or the Son of God.

      Writers in the old west, took gunfighters and made them legends. They wrote about deeds, that never happened. They enhanced deeds that were done.

      The gospel authors did the same with Jesus.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 9:26 am |
    • Mike, not me

      Dave hope that wasn't directed towards my post as it only further proves the point
      The ones you sighted are the negative form, do not do, avoid, don't

      Where Jesus is DO... actively do treat others take part.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Mike, not me

      Spin it how you like, but it shows the golden rule, that every Christian attributes to Jesus, was not original.

      The gospel writers may well have "put the words in Jesus's mouth".

      Hillel said: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn" (Shab. 31a). Hillel recognized brotherly love as the fundamental principle of Jewish moral law. (Lev. xix. 18).

      Seriously dude, Jesus as the Messiah and/or Son of God is extremely unlikely.

      You seem intelligent. How can you believe this Bronze Age mythology?

      Give me the word dude and I will bring a bottle of Jack and by morning we will have the silly right out of you!

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      Spin the word spin all you want, it the original statement still holds as fact.

      Even you, not knowing it probably, quoting and proving Romans 1:21
      For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse
      .

      December 2, 2010 at 2:07 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Mike, not me

      Now you disappointed me. You want to argue from the position, that the existence of god has already been established. Most Evangelicals do this. It's because their holy book and that feeling in their heart is the only evidence they have. LOL

      When you are talking about religion with your other silly putty brained Christians, this probably works. But I am a freethinker. If you are going to use scripture as your argument, you must first prove there is a god, and then that the bible is that god's word.

      The golden rule was not original with Christ. I don't have to spin anything. It is a fact. Now I know what you will do, you will cover your ears and bleat until the bad thought goes away. That's okay.

      But listen! Good liquor and clear thinking can set you free!

      I'm pullin' for you dude! Dump the silly!

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 5:55 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      Dave, I hope I never close my ears.

      "If you are going to use scripture as your argument, you must first prove there is a god, and then that the bible is that god's word."

      Yeah that is the paradox when arguing anything as the highest authority. You can not point to something esle to prove it as the highest authority because that thing itself would be the authority.

      Argue that rationalism is real without appealing to rational though. Sensationalism without a sense or feeling, empirical without appealing to a experience?

      December 3, 2010 at 10:38 am |
  3. Shawn

    TOLERANCE

    December 1, 2010 at 11:40 pm |
  4. Jennifer

    The thing most Christians don't understand is God teaches we should love everyone and hate the sin. HE also teaches that he who is without sin cast the first stone. We ALL sin, we should NOT hate someone because of their sin. We should not promote what God says is wrong, and we as Christians should not allow others to suppress OUR rights either. Right is right and wrong is wrong, stand for it, live by example, and love by example. God does the judging!

    December 1, 2010 at 11:40 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Jennifer

      Sounds good in theory, but it fails in practice. Mostly, because god doesn't exist.

      The Evangelicals believe they can do a better job than god. They want a theocracy, with Jesus as Head of State. At least that is what they are telling the country. The Evangelicals know, that Jesus isn't going to run the country. The Evangelicals know that they will, claiming it is the will of the long dead Jesus.

      The Christian Right is dangerous. They will destroy our country.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 12:50 pm |
    • Bill In STL

      So David ... since God does not exist ... those ideas are worthless? They will destroy your .... love one another is a dangerous thing? Love your neighbor as yourself is a dangerous thing? Don't kill is a dangerous thing? PLEASE. Again you are guilty of what you accuse others of. I think I am done trying to engage you in conversation that is meaningful. You simply don't want to go there. For that I am sorry!

      December 2, 2010 at 3:05 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bill In STL
      You said: "So David ... since God does not exist ... those ideas are worthless? They will destroy your .... love one another is a dangerous thing? Love your neighbor as yourself is a dangerous thing? Don't kill is a dangerous thing? PLEASE. Again you are guilty of what you accuse others of. I think I am done trying to engage you in conversation that is meaningful. You simply don't want to go there. For that I am sorry!"

      The Christian Right through their puppets the Republican Party will attempt to establish a theocracy.

      Did you watch the YouTube video I posted. That is the mindset of the Evangelicals. You talk of loving your neighbor etc. That is not the objective of the Evangelicals.

      The Evangelicals will attempt to ban gay marriage; Women will lose the right to choose; they will decide what is por_no_graphic. What is art and not art; they will bring prayer back into school. Whose god will we pray to?; $ex education will be eliminated from the schools. Pregnancy and abortion will increase; Creationism will be taught alongside evolution or instead of evolution; All other religions will take a backseat to Christianity; Nativity scenes and crosses will be put up everywhere. The children of other faiths, will pass beneath a cross on the way to classes.

      The Catholics entice us to come to Jesus. The Evangelicals demand it.

      The Evangelicals can trace their origin to about 1730. Hmmm...So for 1700 years, Jesus did not have a church?

      The Catholics can trace their origin back to Christ and the first Pope – Peter. Maybe that was Jesus's church? Can you say Apostolic succession?

      I believe in no gods, but the Evangelical position is ludicrous. They run about waiting on Jesus, claiming this or that one is going to hell.

      I see little difference between the Christian Right and the Taliban. Both would rule with a bible in one hand and gun in the other. Remember Sharron Angles statement about Second Amendment remedies?

      Cheers!

      December 3, 2010 at 9:12 am |
  5. Justin Bashing

    I don't own any apple products. Now I never will. I hope there are no bibles in the Apple store? If so will Apple remove the bible because it is offensive? This quiz and the bible clearly remind people of eternal truths. This suppresion of people's inaliable right to free speech is disgusting. Hey apple while you are at it remove, the bible, koran, torah, etc... all of those books "offend" large groups of people. Like the pharisees thou art Hypocrites!

    December 1, 2010 at 11:38 pm |
    • Mark

      It's ok. You wouldn't fit in as an apple product consumer. They're mostly literate non-bigots. Obviously not your thing.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:44 pm |
    • Amanda

      @ Mark.. Lmfao, bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      December 1, 2010 at 11:55 pm |
    • mickey1313

      they didnt pull the app because it was religous, they pulled it because it was incouraging hate. I hope they do pull all religous texts, because all religous text, and all of there readers, are 100% unadulterated evil.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:57 pm |
    • pcarini

      @mickey1313 – You need to hear this from a fellow atheist: Grow up and stop being such an a$$hat. There is nothing wrong with those books in themselves, in fact their each quite fascinating in their own way. The issue arises when people allow an idea or an ideology to become more important in their minds than other human beings. The point at which you can repress, torture, or kill another person with a clean conscience "because it's for the greater good" is the point at which you've become a monster. It always starts subtly, though, usually with wishing to ban their ideas in any form.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:27 am |
    • Chris

      What an uninformed comment. There are literally 100s of bible apps in the app store, if you don't want to check, don't complain about it. Took me 30 seconds to search the app store for all the bible apps you just ignorantly assume do not exist.

      December 2, 2010 at 7:57 am |
    • David Johnson

      @pcarini

      Mickey1313's heart is in the right place.

      The problem with religion is that their respective gods don't exist. Believers are deluded. Deluded people are dangerous.

      The Christians once tortured and killed, in the name of their god. They believed baby Jesus was smiling down on them with every scream of their victim.

      Religious texts are dangerous. They aren't read, as one might read other mythology. They are believed to be the word of their god. If they are to be pleasing to their god, they must hate what He hates.

      I think maybe you should not be so quick to criticize other atheists. Lay off Mickey1313. We wouldn't want to drive him to Evangelicals, now would we?

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 8:36 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Justin Bashing

      You said: "I don't own any apple products."

      That's okay. I bet the gays and women who support free choice will make up for your not buying. LOL

      December 2, 2010 at 8:53 am |
    • Bill In STL

      So PCarini... what you have said, at least to me, holds more than a grain of truth .... and a serious waring for all religous and non religous....

      The point at which you can repress, torture, or kill another person with a clean conscience "because it's for the greater good" is the point at which you've become a monster. It always starts subtly, though, usually with wishing to ban their ideas in any form.

      The last sentence is particularly revealing.... All those that wish to ban other religions beware ... all those that wish to ban all religions you need to beware as well...

      David Johnson – What you say is it is okay for mickey1313 to rant and rave and desire/wish to ban christianity... that is no better than Christians trying to ban Islam of Islam killing the infedels. This slope is way to slippery to really get involved. See what Andrew posted and Frogist and my replies.....

      December 2, 2010 at 12:03 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bill In STL

      The Evangelical branch of the Christian religion are attempting to create a theocracy with Jesus as the Head of State. Only the Christian Right will be able to hear Him. They will tell the rest of us His will.

      That is not acceptable to me. I am all for banning them.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 12:22 pm |
    • Bill In STL

      David Johnson – Your posts and the posts of your fellows do not identify the evangelical wing of the church as your main source of pain. You simply say Christians are responsible for (insert crime here).... This is probably an innocent mistake.... But remember this when you say that only a handfull of Muslims are responsible for the bad name Islam has today...

      December 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm |
  6. Greg

    You know, the lesson they always taught us at Sunday school was "Love thy neighbor" not "Love thy neighbor as long as he's not gay."

    Not that I expect my words to convince anyone – it's a sad truth that the fundamentalists of any religious group (Christians do not hold a monopoly on stupid) are already convinced they know they truth that anything anyone says to them is automatically wrong.

    And as Epictetus said, "A man cannot learn what he thinks he already knows."

    December 1, 2010 at 11:31 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Greg

      "Love Thy Neighbor" isn't the real message of the Evangelicals:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

      December 2, 2010 at 8:13 am |
    • Mike, not me

      "Love Thy Neighbor" isn't the real message of THIS PARTICULAR Evangelicals,

      December 2, 2010 at 12:21 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Mike, not me

      Evangelicals are all cut from the same cloth. They want to rule. I don't want them to.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 12:43 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      Spin the word spin all you want, it the original statement still holds as fact.

      Even you, not knowing it probably, quoting and proving Romans 1:21
      For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse

      December 2, 2010 at 2:06 pm |
  7. billp

    Kudos to Apple for their action here. Say no to all those who advocate intolerance and hatred.

    December 1, 2010 at 11:26 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      Yea say no to Say no to all those who advocate intolerance, including the no sayers who are intolerant toward the advocate.

      December 2, 2010 at 8:12 am |
  8. Ken

    It's not personal; Apple just doesn't support belief systems that are hateful and dishonest. Like Christianity.

    December 1, 2010 at 11:13 pm |
    • JC

      Your just as bad as the christians bashing the gays. Not that i support them but there are stupid people in every group so dont bash all christians either.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:43 pm |
    • mickey1313

      JC they (the christians) have been torturing people for not believing what they believe for 2000 years, i think some reverse bashing is justified.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:55 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @JC

      You said: "there are stupid people in every group so dont bash all christians either."

      Yep, stupid people in every group. But damn, dude! Christianity seems to have hit the mother lode.

      Love and Prayers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:57 am |
    • Bill In STL

      David Johnson – You have the facts on that? I really think that there are others that have done so as well... at least Christians are not beheading people in this century...

      December 2, 2010 at 11:01 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Bill In STL

      Doesn't make them stupid. It makes them blood thirsty.

      Religion poisons everything – C. Hitchens The man is a prophet!

      All religions are worthless. All dangerous.

      Are you here to straighten everyone out? If so, let's begin by proving your god exists.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bill In STL

      As far as proof of stupidity, go to any church, when in session. Read the Christian blogs. Read the bible.

      I rest my case! LOL

      Love and Prayers!

      December 2, 2010 at 12:14 pm |
  9. Bob Freely

    Please don't call this a 'Christian' app. This is just some hateful nonsense that Jesus himself would be ashamed of. Just ask yourself, What app would Jesus have? This app wouldn't pass the test.

    Freedom is a two way street, you're free to be a bigot, Apple is free not to play along. Just post your victim nonsense on conservapedia and have fox news turn this into a 'war on christmas' segment you angry bigoted right-wing evangelical Taliban.

    December 1, 2010 at 11:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bob Freely

      You said: "Please don't call this a 'Christian' app. This is just some hateful nonsense that Jesus himself would be ashamed of."

      I don't see any reason to give any Christians a pass on this. Most Evangelicals (Chrisitan Right) agree with the hate speech Apple banned.

      Christians are bigots. They are deluded, following a desert war god that they can't even prove exists.

      How is it sane, to discriminate against gays or take away the rights of women to choose, in the name of a god who is just as unlikely as Santa Claus?

      Love and Prayers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:53 am |
    • Bill In STL

      Bob, thats a pretty big assumption you male there.... How do you know that Jesus would be ashamed of this app? Have you spoken with him about it or is this your feeling on what you think he would say .... there is a WWJD and we all know what that means... I see that now we need a WDITJWD (What Do I Think Jesus Would Do)

      December 2, 2010 at 10:58 am |
    • Bob

      Jesus supported the teachings of the old testament. Including the "no gays" thing. Welcome to reading your bible.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:15 pm |
  10. Daisy

    there is no free-speech right to have an iApp – you can stand on the street corner and yell your hateful anti-gay extremist-Christian epithets, there is no obligation on Apple's part to sponsor them. it's also bizarre that being Christian seems to be the default setting from which all decisions in public life are to be made – what about an absence of religion being the default. I was raised Catholic but am so FED UP with the white-male-Christian-fundamentalist extremists hijacking faith in this country for political gain. GO ATHEISTS!

    December 1, 2010 at 11:12 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Daisy

      You said: "I was raised Catholic but am so FED UP with the white-male-Christian-fundamentalist extremists hijacking faith in this country for political gain."

      That is the way god wants it. Woman was made from the rib of a man! A cheaper cut!

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:47 am |
  11. John

    It is easy to say you are a Christian. But it is hard to be real one.

    December 1, 2010 at 11:06 pm |
    • sai

      expressing yourself is one thing, marketing your views is another. if u hate gays express yourself in some way that makes you happy but to market that and complain that you're freedom is taken away is absurd. that app is no different from hate mail with 478,000 signatures on it. it deserves to be taken away. besides why would a company lose its image in public for something it's not accountable for?

      December 1, 2010 at 11:35 pm |
    • mickey1313

      no its not, hate anything differant, stone diobedant childeren and believe that god will sort out all the peices after you die to avoid all forms of responsibality

      December 1, 2010 at 11:52 pm |
    • pcarini

      "It is easy to say you are a Christian. But it is hard to be real one."

      It's apparently even easier to say the other guy isn't a Christian. I swear, if I only had a nickel for each time I heard some Christian say another Christian "wasn't a real Christian"...

      December 2, 2010 at 12:09 am |
    • David Johnson

      @John

      It's not easy being a Christian...But you've got it down pat, huh John?

      December 2, 2010 at 7:43 am |
    • Bill In STL

      No it is not easy being a Christian, and no Christian has it down pat... You non believers seem to have your position down pat and your condemnation.... It must be a great thing to be as good as you are ever going to get. Have a happy life!
      I will continue to struggle with it though....

      December 2, 2010 at 10:51 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Bill In STL

      How noble of you to tell us you still struggle. I never would have guessed. Thank you.

      Love and Prayers!

      December 2, 2010 at 12:38 pm |
    • Bob

      I agree, it's very hard to attribute science, rational thought and careful evaluation of what is claimed to Satan.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm |
  12. Kittyg

    Just part and parcel of the demonization of this country! In a few years, no one will recognize America....the USA! But, the world is spiralling downward....people are becoming more stupid! What does anyone expect?

    December 1, 2010 at 10:57 pm |
    • Juni

      Nothing you're saying makes any sense. We're talking about an iPhone app created to promote intolerance and hatred towards a group of people. It's evil and offensive, and Apple removed it due to many complaints all over the country.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:06 pm |
    • LJ

      The only one getting more stupid is you kittyg!

      December 1, 2010 at 11:15 pm |
    • mickey1313

      if we supress monotheism of all types, this trend would reverse, thoughts of god are distroying this world.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:51 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      Yep, get rid of God and we will have the paridises of communism and the French revolution.

      December 2, 2010 at 8:10 am |
  13. Randy

    Because Apple removes an App, that means your freedom has been taken away? Haha. I am sure you can spread you hatred in other ways.

    December 1, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
  14. Josh

    2 quick things.. 1.) Christianity isn't real, but if I were to compare a person to a mythological figure to be demonstrative, then Richard Nixon is Satan, and this 'evangelist' is his ex aide. 2.) He whines at the end of the article that "if you run a public communications company, you have a responsibility to see that certain views are not suppressed" well Christianity isn't a company persay, but since they won't STFU about their backward views I'd say they communicate their garbage in public – so why don't they have the same responsibility to not suppress the views of gays and women, muslims, atheists, jews, sane people.. etc.

    December 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm |
  15. Mike

    They'd be the first to scream if Apple didn't remove something they thought was offensive. Heck they religious nut jobs (lead by political nut jobs) just had art removed from the Smithsonian as it offended them!

    December 1, 2010 at 10:51 pm |
    • Randy

      Everyone knows that the Smithsonian is run by an Atheist Woman who once had an abortion.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:09 pm |
    • mickey1313

      yup, because in there eyes its ok for them to hurt others, but not ok for others to hurt them, there all hypocrites

      December 1, 2010 at 11:49 pm |
    • Dribble

      It is completely hypocritical of them to want to restric the rights of others and then whine like babies when Apple removes thier hate from the app store. What ever happened to 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'?

      December 2, 2010 at 7:14 am |
  16. jeff

    Sort of a modern day story about God, Man, and an Apple... 🙂

    December 1, 2010 at 10:20 pm |
    • mickey1313

      sam, didnt you know christianity and hypocracy are the same word

      December 1, 2010 at 11:47 pm |
    • mickey1313

      fool

      December 1, 2010 at 11:48 pm |
    • 1stassemblysmithfieldnc

      I disagree that the Church is full of Hypocrites.

      http://azusacom.blogspot.com/2010/12/church-is-full-of-hypocrites-i-beg-to.html

      December 2, 2010 at 7:04 am |
    • David Johnson

      @jeff

      Except this time, the apple wins!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:32 am |
    • David Johnson

      @mickey1313

      whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. – Mathew 5:22.

      December 2, 2010 at 7:36 am |
    • jarred0723

      the apple won last time...in the end it won't...

      December 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm |
  17. pcarini

    @JPG and Fred: Y'all are still free to be as bigoted as you'd like, Apple just didn't want any part of that. That's their choice. Your first amendment protections only protect you from the government, private individuals and corporations are free to censor as they see fit.

    December 1, 2010 at 10:18 pm |
    • Sam

      Apple is a private corporation and as such can control or restrict apps for any reason they want...including hate speech from evangelicals.

      It's more than a little hypocritical that a group wanting to abridge the rights of another group is the first to whine about their rights being violated if they think they're not allowed to spread their hateful rhetoric. They call themselves Christians but real Christians don't behave like bigots.

      December 1, 2010 at 10:56 pm |
  18. Mark

    Apple is a private corporation. They can do what they want. Thinking otherwise to anti-American

    December 1, 2010 at 10:04 pm |
    • rich

      I own a private company. I can't fire someone because of their race or religion. How is the different ?

      I agree. Let apple do as they wish. Just let this apply to all cases. If a restaurant owner wishes to not serve a black man.... its his private company and his choices so no outrage ?

      December 1, 2010 at 11:08 pm |
    • Mark

      Rich, How do you not see the difference? You can put all the Christian stuff you want on the app store until you start putting "Christian" apps on there that are specifically made to advocate hating a group of people. Apple isn't stopping free speech of Christians- just the bigots.

      Not one Christian follows the bible to a tee. They all pick and choose which pieces they like the best. It's a shame that a few pick a few ambiguous passages to justify their hatred of something they don't understand.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:28 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Rich

      WoW! Shades of Rand Paul! Let's roll back civil rights. Blacks would probably be more comfortable in the back of the buses.

      Since Obama was elected, racism has raised its ugly head in a big way. I guess it really never went away.

      No man should lose his job because of the color of his skin. No man should be refused service because of the color of his skin. It makes me sick you would even post such a comment.

      I can't tell you how happy I am that Apple threw Jesus out on his ear!

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:31 am |
    • Chris

      @ Rich: You own your own business? Then by your views you obviously would have no problem with other telling you what products your business can sell. Freedom in your view means you would have to make any product people want, even if you do not like the product or it goes against your established business guidelines. Give me a break!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:48 am |
    • Bob

      @Rich If you can't figure out the difference between not allowing an app into a store for sale and firing someone, you're a moron.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:12 pm |
    • Earthling

      David – If no person should be fired or refused service because of the color of their skin, is it also your opinion that no person should be refused a date or a friendship because of the color of their skin. It seems that most Americans marry people who are ethnically similar to themselves. Statistically this would mean that most Americans discriminate when it comes to choosing spouses. Is this ok? If so then why is it not ok to discriminate when it comes to business and employment?

      Please dont get me wrong. I would be appalled to see a restaurant goer turned away because of the color of his skin. But my solution to this ethical dilemma would be simply to not eat there anymore not insist that he must be served.

      December 2, 2010 at 3:51 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Earthling
      You said: "If no person should be fired or refused service because of the color of their skin, is it also your opinion that no person should be refused a date or a friendship because of the color of their skin. It seems that most Americans marry people who are ethnically similar to themselves. Statistically this would mean that most Americans discriminate when it comes to choosing spouses. Is this ok? If so then why is it not ok to discriminate when it comes to business and employment?"

      The difference, is that it is their choice. They can marry whoever they want. This was not always true. The bible belt Christians fought against it. Google interracial marriage.

      A black person may sit in the back of the bus because they want to. Not because they must.

      If everyone (whites, blacks, etc.) would boycott a business for not serving some group, this would make the business "straighten up", or go out of business. Self policing at its finest.

      The problem is, that before the Civil Right Act, minorities were not served. They were forced to sit in the back of the bus. No one joined a boycott. No business was forced to hire or serve minorities.

      I never realized how much racism still existed in this country, until Obama was elected. I truly believe, that lots of people would support a restaurant that discriminated. Do we want the violence of the 60's?

      A while ago, I was sitting in a restaurant with my wife. A black family came in, for breakfast. They had the most precious little girl. She was pretty and bright and adorable. I could not imagine refusing this family service. To destroy this child's perception of life would be criminal. Must be criminal.

      Yes, in theory, a business should police itself. But a law insures that they do the right thing. And if a business isn't planning to discriminate, why should they care if is against the law? I don't mind that there is a law against murder.

      Cheers!

      Please dont get me wrong. I would be appalled to see a restaurant goer turned away because of the color of his skin. But my solution to this ethical dilemma would be simply to not eat there anymore not insist that he must be served.

      December 3, 2010 at 8:19 am |
    • Rion Jacobs

      apple is not a private corporation. they have shareholders just like any other major organization and are therefore subject to the views and opinions of their shareholders. Why do you think they created the offensive content clause in the terms of service contract? Apple is subject to their customers and shareholders.

      December 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm |
    • Bob

      @Rion Look up the definition of the term "private company". You're making yourself look foolish.

      December 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm |
  19. Fred

    Free speech for all. Except Christians. Another step toward the return to the catacombs.

    It's so simple when you take freedom out of the loop!

    December 1, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    • Juni

      Feel free to preach hatred and intolerance all you wish. Not on my iPhone.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:02 pm |
    • Mark

      You have free speech in a public forum. The app store is a private business. Your "free speech" doesn't apply there. Go make a your own phone and app store if you want to bash gays.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:18 pm |
    • mickey1313

      christians rule the world, so stop your bit****g. just because you cant put your hate filled filth on your iphone, does not mean you must stop believing in all your hate. Christians will never give up there right to hate.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:44 pm |
    • dirty sancheez

      You think this a freedom of speech issue? What a bunch of pansies the Bible-thumpers have become.
      Take it to the Supreme Court.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:56 pm |
    • pcarini

      Sounds like a good idea, except that the Supreme Court is seven ninths Christian 😉

      December 2, 2010 at 12:05 am |
    • Sherry

      I know hate and intolerance when I hear it. Good for Apple because those spreading intolerance like that, and hide behind the bible, are hypocrites. If you claim to be Christian, then your faith must follow the teachings of Jesus. Go back to bible study and stop being judgmental. It's not your job to be judge. It's no wonder more and more people are moving away from organized religion. It is full of judgement, intolerance, and everyone thinks they're the chosen ones, the ones who have it right, and to hell with everyone else. Do your homework, and practice what Jesus taught you, and it isn't to shun your fellow man for being different than you, but to embrace all. Stop hiding behind religion to justify your own intolerance for anything different than yourself. It is such crap.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:14 am |
    • e po

      You mean christian extemists? aka wackos/nutbars/conservatives. Yes it is offensive when these self annointed "keepers of the faith" insult normal christians and others with thier misplaced moral judgements. These so called christian Bible thumpers insult everyones God given intelligence and in fact are an affront to God himself – He doesn't need these minions to pass on any messages – if he has anything to say, he'll say it himself. If God exists, everything everybody in the world does is always right because it's all Gods work. To pass judgement on someone elses belief is to pass judgement on Gods work, unless you are suggesting God made a mistake. Does he make mistakes?

      December 2, 2010 at 3:00 am |
    • Dribble

      I don't think these so called 'christians' have any shortage of ways in which they can spread thier hatered.

      December 2, 2010 at 7:09 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Fred

      Christians also talked against interracial marriage. They said it was not god's plan.

      God does not have a plan. God does not exist.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:24 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Sherry

      You said: "It's no wonder more and more people are moving away from organized religion."

      I love to read posts like yours! You have warmed my heart.

      May Jesus and His 8 tiny reindeer bring you lots of presents!

      December 2, 2010 at 8:04 am |
    • Gerald Shields

      "Freedom" as you've stated need not have to come at the expense of another. Religious freedom is alright as long as religious beliefs do not trample on another one's reedom.

      December 2, 2010 at 11:25 am |
    • JT

      No Fred Phelps, you are still allowed to hate and picket funerals with your merry band of sicko Christian fanatics. The first amendment still allows you and your incestuous clan to make fools of yourselves. Do you even know what an iphone is?

      December 2, 2010 at 11:50 am |
    • Joker

      Really? Are you serious? Apple can do whatever they wish with thier product. Let this Christian group invent their own phone and app and peddle their anti American views.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm |
    • jake

      Ridiculous. Christians form an overwhelming majority in the US. The Mac app led directly to a lying and dangerous slander against gay Americans. Christians should have been the ones protesting it.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:58 pm |
    • LetoAtreides

      Juni, Why can't you handle the freedom? Are you not reacting with intolerance with what you just said?

      December 20, 2010 at 8:27 am |
  20. David Johnson

    I think Apple made the right call. Gays deserve to have their civil rights. Women the right to choose.

    It is so simple when you take god out of the loop!

    Love and Prayers!

    December 1, 2010 at 9:32 pm |
    • JPG

      Uh...what about Christian's rights? Gays and women who choose abortion dont have to download the app.

      I really hope America doesnt trust Apple to decide what is good for us and what isnt!

      December 1, 2010 at 9:50 pm |
    • Mike

      Amen to that! LOL

      December 1, 2010 at 10:52 pm |
    • Juni

      Agreed. An app specifically created to promote hatred and intolerance against a group of people has no place on the App Store.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:01 pm |
    • Mark

      What do you mean "what about Christian rights"? The app store is a private business and apple can refuse whomever they want.

      I'm so sick of a few (not all) bigotted Christians whining about their rights when someone stops them from oppressing gays. You don't have the right to oppress a group of people. End of story.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:14 pm |
    • Victor

      As a Christian I am always appalled to see so-called Christian groups spreading hatred. Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God with everything you have and to love your neighbor. To consolidate he says to love. Where does the hate come in?

      As a Christian, a fan of Apple and an app developer, I think Christian groups should focus on building apps that spread the gospel rather than hatred.

      I also think that CNN has it wrong to call this group "conservative Christians." They are wrong to even call them Christians. It is quite evident they don't read their Bible.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:24 pm |
    • mickey1313

      jpg, the app store is a company, it is not infringing on the rights of the wako christians, because they are still free to believe whatever hatefilled crap they wish to.

      December 1, 2010 at 11:43 pm |
    • Karin

      What does the word "faith" mean to you?
      What does the word *faith* actually mean within a standard dictionary.
      Hint: No Facts Required.

      So many gods. So many religions. So many belief systems – have passed..... Our history is full of them.... Mythology.... Think.... Stimulate your mind.

      December 2, 2010 at 12:21 am |
    • veggiedude

      Am I the only one that thinks "conservative christian" is an oxymoron?

      December 2, 2010 at 1:30 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Mark

      Well said, and totally true!

      If this site was just another Evangelical come to Jesus site, I would care less. It is not. It is a hate site.

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:20 am |
    • phranque

      What if your mom had an abortion - don't hink you get it do you ?

      December 2, 2010 at 7:34 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Jay

      Gee, I'm glad you pointed that out to me. It never occurred to me...

      Cheers!

      December 2, 2010 at 7:59 am |
    • Mike, not me

      To all people that did not understand JPG comment. He was not criticizing apple but Dave's comment of everybody has rights, unless your Christian, you must have tolerance and "love" and except peoples different beliefs of every group except those Christians.

      December 2, 2010 at 8:07 am |
    • clauser

      Since when are the rights of the majority populace suppressed by smaller minority groups. We are losing our rights left and right as people choose that they are more important.

      If you do not like something make the choice to step out of a room or not take part. Once this starts happening then we will be a more civil nation.

      December 2, 2010 at 8:58 am |
    • Bill In STL

      So let me get this straight... Mark you say Apple is a business and can server whomever they want.... Lets see they had the app to start with but after people who would not use the app told Apple the were offended by it Apple removed it. So I have two questions and a statement. The question is how could these people be offended unless they actually downloaded the app and tried it? Second is it just the mere presence of the App that is offensive? Some people have stated here that if you don't like it you should just turn around and walk away.... But you just don't seem to want to do it do you? You are drawn like a Bee to honey to this blog when it is not intended for you, rather it is intended for people of faith. You want to confront and prove to people of faith that their faith is misplaced. You mock their beliefs and call them names and yet you see yourself as better than those you mock.... sorta like school yard bullies eh?

      December 2, 2010 at 10:31 am |
    • NL

      JPG
      "Uh...what about Christian's rights?"

      Rights to do what, exactly? To be free to discriminate against whomever you wish under the protection of religious freedom?

      December 2, 2010 at 10:56 am |
    • Gerald Shields

      I agree though it probably was a business decision. Apple probably didn't want to be seen as "taking sides" on the issues you've mentioned.

      December 2, 2010 at 11:18 am |
    • Bob

      @Mike Not true, I consider Christianity, Buddism, Islam, Hinduism, Wiccan, Druidism and many other faiths all equally moronic.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:11 pm |
    • ScottK

      @ Bill in STL – "You want to confront and prove to people of faith that their faith is misplaced. You mock their beliefs and call them names and yet you see yourself as better than those you mock.... "

      Bill is right, having an argument with a Christian about the bible is like having an argument with a Twighlight fan over how much the books s u c k e d, they will never see it unless they are exposed to a real authors works that would open their minds, but like most Twighhards, Christians dont like to study outside of their favorite author.

      December 2, 2010 at 1:19 pm |
    • NL

      ScottK-
      Just as an aside, have you ever considered how the writer of the Twilight series, about the romance between a young girl and a guy who, despite his looks, is in reality a really old man, happens to be a Mormon? Point that out to a young female reader and chances are they will go "Ewww!!" 😉

      December 2, 2010 at 5:38 pm |
    • ScottK

      Ah ha!! I knew it!! Edward is really Warren Jeffs!!!

      December 2, 2010 at 6:42 pm |
    • Frogist

      @ScottK & NL : Has it really come to this? I know fundies are ripe for the mocking but Twilight? You've gone too far...

      December 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm |
    • Erin

      Prayers? I thought you were leaving God out of the loop.

      December 7, 2010 at 9:47 pm |
    • jarred0723

      David Johnson
      I think you've responded to every post here..."cheers!" to making the most of your day...looks like you're pretty much preaching to your choir anyway...

      Love and Prayers (sincerely)

      December 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm |
    • DC

      "Love and Prayers"????? Who exactly do you pray to if you "take God out of the loop"??? Christians deserve their rights too.

      December 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm |
    • LBH

      JPG is right..im tired of so many "Christians" pulling the "You're being hateful card-God is love" people..this is not about whether or not you agree with gay marriage or abortion..this is about the right for people to express themselves. Christians have that right just as much as anyone else. Apple simply took that right away to please the "politically correct" point of view. Let's leave biased opinions out of this and just admit that what Apple did was take someone's right away.

      December 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm |
    • Flip Deberger

      Love and prayers. Prayers to who? God is out of your loop.

      December 23, 2010 at 2:20 am |
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