Iraq: Gunmen kill elderly Christian couple inside their Baghdad
December 5th, 2010
08:29 PM ET

Iraq: Gunmen kill elderly Christian couple inside their Baghdad

Attackers gunned down an elderly Christian couple late Sunday inside their Baghdad home, the latest in a string of religious-rooted violence that has spurred international outcry and a full-court press for justice from Iraqi authorities.

Gunmen broke into the couple's residence in Baladiyat, a predominantly Shiite area in eastern Baghdad, during the night and shot them dead, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said.

Hours earlier, Maj. Gen. Qassim Atta said in a press conference broadcast on state-run Iraqiya TV that 15 "Arabs" - in Iraq, a euphemism indicating they came from outside the country - were responsible for three deadly attacks in Baghdad in recent months, including a bloody church siege.

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  1. Hungadunga

    Reality needs to get in touch with himself!

    December 7, 2010 at 12:15 am |
    • Reality

      Getting in touch with Islam:

      Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Aya-an Hi-rsi Ali in her autobiography, In-fidel.

      "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hi-rsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
      ref: Washington Post book review.

      some excerpts:

      "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

      "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had cas-tes. The Untou-chable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were unt-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we to-uched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as un-touchable, des-picable to the human race."

      "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were ki-lled by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exa-ggerating."

      "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tr-ibal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hypro-cricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

      December 7, 2010 at 12:22 am |
  2. Mark from Middle River

    Reality. This is a bit true though. In our own country we can find a good amount who do not put much faith in our own law enforcement or even our government so to trust the iraqi authorities can warrent question.

    I thought your side was all about questioning everything so why the trust in the Iraqi

    December 6, 2010 at 6:24 pm |
  3. merci

    Christians everywhere beware, your persecution is imminent, your faith is being tested, your lives are in danger from the man made religions of the world and the new age religion of the antichrist to come. This is only the beginning of the persecutions to come. May God guide all true christians to a safe and secure existence and strike down all that are demonically possessed knowingly or not.

    December 6, 2010 at 5:15 pm |
  4. GSA

    @Reality – so most of your facts and the way you think are not based on looking at a specific problem, crisis or situation but instead on all of these books you list, many of which if you take the time to actually look up and read are not fact but someone else's opinions. Also what do these texts have to do with the article at hand and getting full and comprehensive information on what really happened and how it played out?

    December 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm |
    • Reality

      As all of us do, we consult the experts before commenting. With respect to the current problem in Iraq:

      "Islam’s Koran and World Domination

      Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      When will people realize that just as there are good doctors and quacks, good cops and rogue cops, there can also be good religions and bad religions?"

      Secrets of the Koran

      'A Review of Excerpts'

      of the Don Richardson Book

      December 6, 2010 at 6:43 pm |
  5. GSA

    @Reality – again, just because the Iraqi authorities back up the story does that mean that it is factual? I don't think you or I can truly answer that question, just as Ahmed cannot convince me that his version of the story is correct either. CNN is entertainment and that's that.
    Reality have you ever verified all the stuff that you write? Seems to be one-sided all the time so you could be anyone on this anonymous blog as well, someone with a hate for all Muslims say.
    Needless to say, a sad story for those who lost their lives.

    December 6, 2010 at 2:29 pm |
    • Reality

      Some references used for verification of comments:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–
      30-60 CE Passion Narrative
      40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
      50-60 1 Thessalonians
      50-60 Philippians
      50-60 Galatians
      50-60 1 Corinthians
      50-60 2 Corinthians
      50-60 Romans
      50-60 Philemon
      50-80 Colossians
      50-90 Signs Gospel
      50-95 Book of Hebrews
      50-120 Didache
      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
      50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
      65-80 Gospel of Mark
      70-100 Epistle of James
      70-120 Egerton Gospel
      70-160 Gospel of Peter
      70-160 Secret Mark
      70-200 Fayyum Fragment
      70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
      73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
      80-100 2 Thessalonians
      80-100 Ephesians
      80-100 Gospel of Matthew
      80-110 1 Peter
      80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
      80-130 Gospel of Luke
      80-130 Acts of the Apostles
      80-140 1 Clement
      80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
      80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
      80-250 Christian Sibyllines
      90-95 Apocalypse of John
      90-120 Gospel of John
      90-120 1 John
      90-120 2 John
      90-120 3 John
      90-120 Epistle of Jude
      93 Flavius Josephus
      100-150 1 Timothy
      100-150 2 Timothy
      100-150 T-itus
      100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
      100-150 Secret Book of James
      100-150 Preaching of Peter
      100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
      100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
      100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
      100-160 2 Peter
      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
      10. 7. The Gnostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on Ancient and Modern Gnosticism)
      by Douglas Groothuis: equip.org/free/DG040-1.htm
      11. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      12. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      13. Jesus Database with the example of Supper and Eucharist:
      14. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      15. The Journal of Higher Criticism with links to articles on the Historical Jesus:
      16. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/
      17. Diseases in the Bible:
      18. Religion on Line (6000 articles on the history of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, ethics, etc.
      19. The Jesus Seminarians and their search for NT authenticity:
      20. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT ntgateway.com/
      21. Writing the New Testament- existing copies, oral tradition etc.
      22. The Search for the Historic Jesus by the Jesus Seminarians:
      23. Jesus Decoded by Msgr. Francis J. Maniscalco (Da Vinci Code review)jesusdecoded.com/introduction.php
      24. JD Crossan's scriptural references for his book the Historical Jesus separated into time periods: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan1.rtf
      25. JD Crossan's conclusions about the authencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the conclusions of other NT exegetes in the last 200 years:
      26. Common Sayings from Thomas's Gospel and the Q Gospel: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan3.rtf
      27. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
      28. Luke and Josephus- was there a connection?
      29. NT and beyond time line:
      30. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      31. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
      32. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
      33. The books of the following : Professors Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
      34. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
      35. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      December 6, 2010 at 4:19 pm |
  6. Kyla Pisowicz

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    December 6, 2010 at 12:57 pm |
  7. GSA

    @Reality – "Ahmed vs CNN News? Hmmmmm?"
    No one has verified Ahmeds information so we can't say it is wrong or right. CNN is known to get information wrong on a daily basis and also is known to have an agenda. Again not saying Ahmed has correct information or that he doesn't have an agenda himself but facts show that CNN is here for entertainment and not a news network. So I guess we all have to do some research before commenting.

    December 6, 2010 at 11:38 am |
    • Reality

      Keep in mind that this is an anonymous blog and commentators could be anyone. Ahmed for example could be working for the imams in charge of promulgating false information about the latest daily koranic-driven terror. Note: the CNN story was verified by the Iraqi authorities.

      "Gunmen broke into the couple's residence in Baladiyat, a predominantly Shiite area in eastern Baghdad, during the night and shot them dead, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said."

      "Hours earlier, Maj. Gen. Qassim Atta said in a press conference broadcast on state-run Iraqiya TV that 15 "Arabs" – in Iraq, a euphemism indicating they came from outside the country – were responsible for three deadly attacks in Baghdad in recent months, including a bloody church siege."

      December 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Bah! Flimshaw!
      Just as we should all accept every word of the bible unquestioningly, so should we accept the gospel of CNN. Especially the bits that are blatantly false or contradictory.

      December 6, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Doc Vestibule

      Faith demands it of us, brother! A true believer has no gag reflex. They can swallow anything.

      Love your posts! Please stay on the planet.

      December 8, 2010 at 7:49 am |
  8. prophet

    anybody who hurts another person is not doing it for his or her religion they are doing it for themselves as this is what they are, this is their personality, evil, they just belong to these religions so they can say it's someone eles's idea. It's their idea, they are bad people and they can be white european etc. There are no borders here, its a personality thing.

    December 6, 2010 at 9:03 am |
  9. prophet

    CNN has in the past got a lot of information wrong as with so many of the other news agencies. Many people have also tried to give CNN news that is important and they ignore it as they too are not really interested in telling The Truth it just seems so. I know this for a Fact.

    December 6, 2010 at 8:53 am |
    • Reality

      Saving Muslims such as the prophet and Ahmed is quite easy!!!

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      December 6, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
  10. prophet

    Ahmed is probably correct and we should believe him but this is how the terrorists fund themselves by doing such things and this is how many organisations fund themselves by doing such things as has happened.

    December 6, 2010 at 8:47 am |
    • man

      Yes, by all means, let's believe the very best motives of those murderers! Genocide in the name of Islam! Do you deny it? Go ahead. No one believes you.

      December 10, 2010 at 1:49 am |
  11. Ahmed

    I'd like to clarify something regarding the killing of elderly Christian couple killing in Al-Baladiyat yesterday, they we were not SHOT AT, but they were STABBED to death and the crime was not a terrorist act, actually it was a for money as the perpetrators knew that the deceased sold their house (somehow), as they intended to move to the north of Iraq to join their son there (as they have a daughter living now at the States).
    The perpetrators even tore the furniture in search for the money (the house selling money); also, the neighbours found the lunch meal was still hot (it was soup). I know this information because I share with their house the same fence, backyard side of my house and I knew the deceased couple (God bless their souls) personally.
    Finally, you can verify my comment from the Al-Rashad police station which followed the case closely.
    Thanking you.

    December 6, 2010 at 6:24 am |
    • Reality

      Ahmed vs CNN News? Hmmmm????

      December 6, 2010 at 8:47 am |
  12. lolifofo

    yeah the religion of peace again

    December 6, 2010 at 5:58 am |
  13. arevil

    Im very happy. good news

    December 6, 2010 at 3:00 am |
  14. Peter F

    I wish this violence would come to an end... but I don't foresee that happening in the near future. 🙁

    December 6, 2010 at 12:57 am |
    • David Johnson

      Yeah, I think we can scratch that Jesus coming back thing also.


      December 8, 2010 at 7:44 am |
  15. my1jesus

    Why can't we all love each other?! People killing people?!! To kill someone of their religious beliefs, is a cowardly thing to do. Put down the guns and play some soccer, basketball, paint a picture of a beautiful sunset. To think that this is something that can happen in my world day after day, day after blessed day, makes me very sad, but hopeful that the end of this madness is near. Please God save us all!

    December 6, 2010 at 12:44 am |
  16. Reality

    Another act of koranic- driven terror and horror:

    Some other examples:

    1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

    1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

    2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

    3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat98,691 – 107,707
    Iraqi civilians killed as of 11/9/2010, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and

    4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

    5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

    6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

    7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

    8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

    9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

    10) – Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

    11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

    12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

    13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

    14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

    15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.

    16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

    17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

    December 6, 2010 at 12:29 am |
  17. TheRationale

    The Religion of Peace is at it again.

    December 5, 2010 at 10:26 pm |
  18. NM

    please check out http://www.IslamicSolutions.Com/if-it-is-extreme-it-is-not-islam/

    December 5, 2010 at 9:14 pm |
  19. Bike2Boy

    Good news, Bad news, or no News? NO news. Why? Why are these two victims of gunmen more newsworthy than the thousands of others who have died in Bagdad?

    December 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm |
    • Let Us Prey


      More Misery

      December 5, 2010 at 8:54 pm |
    • David Johnson

      Not more important. Not even significant if it was a random home invasion.

      May be further evidence that you will be a follower of Islam or else.

      I am not speaking as a bigot. I am speaking of self preservation.

      Imagine it is 3:00 AM and a group shows up at the door for a "surprise visit". I don't even believe in owning a gun. This would definitely be worse than Mormons or even Jehovah's Witnesses.

      I keep going back to the pit bull analogy. People are always shocked when their loving pit pull, Howler, eats their toddler, but they have been reading about it, over and over, in the paper.

      I think it is good to read the paper.


      December 8, 2010 at 7:38 am |
  20. Keith

    What? From the religion peace? Say it ain't so. We should use taxpayer money to build mosques here so they can bring their brand of "peace" here...

    December 5, 2010 at 8:35 pm |
    • Let Us Prey

      "Islamic community center developer seeks federal funding"
      CNN Belief Blog
      November 22nd, 2010
      02:40 PM ET

      December 5, 2010 at 8:52 pm |
    • David Johnson


      On this one Keith, I am with you 100%. The Muslims don't appear to be tolerant. And they don't just tell you how you are going to burn forever, and ever. They send you to the afterlife.

      I find the growing U.S. Muslim population worrisome.

      December 7, 2010 at 10:39 pm |
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