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'God is' billboard replaces controversial Lincoln Tunnel atheist billboard
December 23rd, 2010
05:44 PM ET

'God is' billboard replaces controversial Lincoln Tunnel atheist billboard

By Emanuella Grinberg and Nicole Saidi, CNN

An atheist billboard on the New Jersey side of the Lincoln Tunnel that declared Christmas a "myth" has been replaced by a pro-Christian billboard.

The old billboard, put up in late November by the American Atheists organization, said "You know it's a myth. This season, celebrate reason."

The sign stirred controversy among Christian organizations, prompting the Catholic League to erect its own pro-Christmas billboard on the New York side of the tunnel that read, "You Know It's Real: This Season Celebrate Jesus."

The new sign, which was posted by the Manhattan-based Times Square Church, reads "God is," and includes a word cloud of religious themes.

See images of new "God is" billboard

The sign is a direct response to "atheist billboards near the Lincoln Tunnel declaring Christmas a myth," the church said on its website.

"We want to encourage people to seek God and prove that indeed He is," senior Pastor Connor Conlon said. The ad originally ran as part of a subway ad campaign Times Square Church ran in January 2010.

iReporter Lulis Leal noticed the new sign while passing through the Lincoln Tunnel and shared photos of it with iReport. She said people on both sides of the issue are talking about the latest billboard. She said she's even observed people arguing about it.

As for the old sign, an American Atheists spokesman said the organization's lease ran out on the space, as they'd only had it reserved for a month.

"They have First Amendment rights," spokesman Blair Scott said.

Since putting down $20,000 for the billboard, the group has earned $65,000 in donations, which Scott attributed to the national publicity it garnered - with a little help from the Catholic League.

"We received e-mails from hundreds of agnostics and atheists who heard about the billboard and had never heard about us who thanked us for being there and letting them know they're not alone, and that was our target audience from the get-go," he said.

"We sent the Catholic League a thank-you letter."

- egrinberg

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  1. tommy mack

    Did you know that NORAD tracks Santa? And you all know he's real, right?

    December 23, 2010 at 7:41 pm |
  2. SolarPowered

    What happened to freedom of/from religion? If the Christians don't get their way they throw a pity party until they do. They threw a pity party over the atheist billboard, and now look what happened. For once, just once, could you Christians just give us Atheists a break? If you don't like us posting about Atheism, then stop posting your proverbial Christian nonsense. Fair is fair!

    December 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
    • hawk

      why are you people so hell-bent on trying to denie that there is a GOD, if you want to think that way , its your buisness, leave other people alone, I bet you wont come down south to the Blue Ridge mts. ( Gods Country) and act and talk like that.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:43 am |
    • Chuck

      Now Atheists are being persecuted? The whole deal with the sign worked just fine. Atheists got their freedom of speech then let the lease lapse. The next lessee was a church and they got their freedom of speech. So what’s your beef? How is that persecution? If you knew of something that changed your life for the better wouldn’t you want to tell other people about it? What you call cramming theology down ones throat is just believers trying to share their good news. If you don’t want to hear it then just say no thanks and move on.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:27 am |
  3. bystander

    To me, the sign demonstrates what should be obvious to everyone: god is ... whatever you want it to be.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
  4. Tim

    If "God is," then there are four possibilities. God is a:

    She
    He
    It
    Them

    And that pretty well sums up what "God" has given us to work with.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:39 pm |
    • jumper53

      Tim
      I want to really look at the term "is". You see that is is a state of being. Is is not was (the past) or will be (the future). Is is a constant state of now forever and ever so it is eternal. Is, is also an absolute term. It is not, might be, would be, could be or maybe. Is is. Is is not, is not. So is, is a state of being that is eternal and absolute. If it is absolute then it has to be the truth. Is is a state of being that is eternal, absolute and the truth. Absolute is not a state that we know of because our whole existenance is define by the relative: left-right, up-down, good-bad, black-white etc... Therfore anything that we add to the statement GOD IS is subjective to our own limited vocabulary of relativism. In truth we can only say GOD IS because is defines the attributes of GOD. Anything beyond that is really unknown to us.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:31 pm |
    • Marshall

      You forgot us.As in all of us.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:46 am |
    • Selfish Gene

      You left out:
      fake
      imaginary
      invented
      and don't forget,
      made of spaghetti.

      December 27, 2010 at 3:06 pm |
  5. ScottSF

    Great story! We atheists get our say and no one tries to tare down our sign or get the city council to take it down (like Rancho Cucamonga) and then when the leas is up some other group has their say. That is America. I'm so glad more Atheists are standing up and not letting ourselves be marginalized.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:39 pm |
    • Marty

      You only stand up against Christianity. What about the fastest growing religion in the world, Islam? Why pray tell do atheists have no problem with Allah??? Because the are cowards that's why. Muslims would act out in violence if you attacked their false god. Christians are peaceful so they are an easy target. All you atheists were probably bullies in school.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    • Aarrgghh

      Marty you uneducated troglodyte. Atheists do not believe in any form of organized religion and readily say it to anyone including Muslims. It is because CHRISTIANS are the ones constantly shoving their brand of garbage down our throats. Get a grip fantasy boy

      December 23, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
    • Anarimus

      Marty..

      There is a billboard going up in Huntsville that will be paid for by American Atheists this billboard will criticize ALL religions. Remember Draw Mohammed Day? That was started by atheists.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:35 am |
    • Alexandrine

      It's the last days. That's why your coming out. This is suppose to happen. It was written in the Bible thousands of years ago. God is allowing it because it's his will. Just like it was his will for Jesus to die on the cross and be risen again. Jesus is coming soon!!!!!! The day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief . Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve JUDGMENT. Why he's taking so long is cause he's waiting on you to repent. HE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO BE DESTROYED BUT FOR ALL TO BE SAVED!!!!!!!!! Even though you scoff and mock God, he still loves you. He's giving people more time to be saved! And that includes you who mock and scoff at God.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:11 am |
  6. FreeToExpress

    Why do christians have to put up a billboard in its place if they don't think atheist don't put some FUD in their own beliefs?

    Bob the question should also be why the bible promoted incest after Noah's Ark. Since if the bible is true then we all descended from the people on Noah's Ark and no one else.

    I don't question something that there is no answer to ... such as the existence of god, allaha, budha, et cetera but if I must pick a religion then the greeks or romans had a vast number of gods so I guess either one of those I would pick. Christians can't question about the roman or greek gods or call them a myth else they end up questioning their own god.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:36 pm |
    • Marty

      You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. The Bible never promoted incest. You are all about bashing Christianity, nothing else.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • shamgar50

      Marty, just who the hell do you think Cain married? Most authorities agree it had to be one of his sisters. Look it up!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:50 pm |
    • Keith

      FreeToExpress, I agree with Marty. The Bible does not promote incest. Maybe you're the one who needs to read the Book. Get a little educated, because right now you are woefully ignorant.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:58 pm |
    • FreeToExpress

      Marty so how did the world repopulate after your god killed everyone but the people on Noah's ark because your god felt like destroying the world? Just because the word incest isn't specifically mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen ... is there even a latin or hebrew word for incest? Please point me to the place in the bible where it proves otherwise ... cousin.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:59 pm |
    • Aarrgghh

      They have recently proven that the more people actually know about religion the less they believe any of it.. Ie: athiests and agnostic people know far more about your religion than you do.... Look it up

      December 23, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
    • FreeToExpress

      Keith I've read it ... almost as believable as Harry Potter. Just imagine 3000 years from now they will be talking about the savior Harry and his battle against evil and the 7 books of Harry Potter will be the basis of the next religion.

      Funny how christians think we don't read their book of myths. They don't even follow their own gods commandments. Christians have killed in the name of religion, they have stolen from the Indians, Aztecs and others in the name of their religion.

      Yet tell christians to read a book like The Plain Truths of Religion and they dismiss it as junk. Maybe Keith you should read The Plain Truths of Religion and understand the FUD that's been pushed on you for years. Afraid? You shouldn't be ... Proverbs 3:5-6

      December 23, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      Marty there are parts of the Bible if shown in a movie today, many Christains would be upset. I'm not sure about the Noah story. Though I seem to remember he got drunk afterwards, I believe he brought his sons and their wives with him, but I may be mistaken. I do know that Lot offered his own daughters to the town residents when the men of the town wanted to know the angels in Lot's home.. Then when the towns were destroyed Lot's daughters got him drunk and knew him because they feared life would not go on with everyone else being killed. When Abraham went to Egypt and met the Pharoah he pretended to be his wife's brother so Pharoah wouldn't kill him to have her. I believe this was just after almost sacrifciing his son.

      David, who is specifically listed as the ancestor of Jesus through Jospeh, which is confusing since God was supposed to be the father not Joseph; anyway David sent one of his generals on a suicide mission, so David could have his wife for hisself. What does that say about Jesus's ancestry other than it was royal. Pehaps that's why God had to become the father, but then you wonder why even mention David.

      The Bible is full of flawed human beings who would probably be drummed out of Sunday School and as a result, many people think why punish myself for being human or allow others too? I remember many sermons where preachers cried about people leaving the church while simultaneously driving them away.

      I agree the Bible does not promote in-cest, but it does seem to acknowledge that such things do happen, even to important God fearing men, sometimes under unusual and sometimes not so unusual circ-umstances. Perhaps its why Jesus stressed the heart of the law more than the letter, because we all are human, even and sometimes espeicailly, Popes and other religious leaders. Because some do wrong is no reason to promote it or see it as promotion though.

      I also agree that those that only focus on the bad probably have some personal obsession with the bad theirself. It works both ways though. I have heard many more sermons that seemed to focus on the devil than on God making me wonder who the object of worship really was. Something seemed out of balance. No bashing. Just truth.

      December 24, 2010 at 3:07 am |
    • Scott

      @Marty: So Lot didn’t impregnate his daughters after the destruction of Sodam and Gomorra?

      Genesis, Chapter 19, Verses 30-38.

      30. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.
      31. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

      32. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

      33. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

      34. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

      35. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

      36. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

      37. And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

      38. And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Ben-ammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

      December 24, 2010 at 6:03 pm |
    • Selfish Gene

      Scott, this is one of the times where they don't take the babble literally.

      December 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm |
  7. Arick

    I live in a very Christian area. I have never once been preached at or had anyone attempt to convert me. They don't try to start religious arguments with me and give them the same courtesy. My parents are both Christian and nicer people you have never met. I have never once felt persecuted for not being Christian in my community.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
    • shamgar50

      Lie much?

      December 23, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    • moi

      Most people probably think that you are allready one of theirs so they won't bother you. You have to live in a area where people are not infected with fundyism or bornagainism to notice the problems. Where fundies are in a minority they automatically assume that you are an infidel unless they personally know you.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:54 pm |
  8. Marty

    Hey all you bold and courageous atheists, why don't you post a billboard that says Allah is a myth? Go ahead, Muslims claim Allah to be god and you don't believe in god right? I know you are going to come back and say that Islam is not offensive like Christianity, but you can save it. The reason is that atheists are just like terrorists. They only attack innocent people who are peaceful. They would not dare upset a bunch of Muslims!!!

    Cowards!!!!

    December 23, 2010 at 7:31 pm |
    • Arick

      I agree with you. It is combination of fear and being politically correct hypocrites. It is ok to directly bash one religion, but not another...really hypocritical.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:37 pm |
    • FreeToExpress

      Marty, and why don't christians do the same? Why don't you tell them that their god isn't the true god and your god is? I'm sure the Armed Forces will allow you to join so you can go over there and tell them in person.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
    • Arick

      You avoided the question Free, you don't have an answer so you shifted the focus to the person who asked the question.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:41 pm |
    • Marty

      FreeToExpress – Christians are interested in speaking for Jesus not against everyone else. And you did not answer the question.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm |
    • tek

      Ok Marty,

      Allah is a myth. Given that Allah and God are the same diety it is very easy to say both are a myth. In fact, when a person says that Yahweh is a myth, they are indeed stating the same of Allah. I hope that's a little more clear for you, and Im surprised that you can have so much contempt for something you apparently understand so little about.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • pete

      Marty
      Actually, christians believe that Muslims are going to hell (it's in your book) and that allah isn't real so why don't you put up the billboard?

      December 23, 2010 at 7:45 pm |
    • shamgar50

      Marty, well genius if you really knew anything, you'd know that when we attack christianity, we also attack islam. Jesus is considered a prophet by muslims. Try reading a book now and then!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
    • Arick

      Ahhh, but why not attack Islam directly? Why not have a billboard calling Muhammad a false prophet? You are being dishonest if you are arguing that most atheist attacks aren't directed at Christianity.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:46 pm |
    • Arick

      So many excuses, you guys are basically lying. You would never attack Islam directly and you know it deep down.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    • pete

      Marty

      You said "Christians are interested in speaking for Jesus not against everyone else"
      You want people to read the bible where it condemns non believers to hell, what's the difference?

      December 23, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    • Marty

      Tek, the only contempt I have is for cowardly people that attack my faith. I don't go around publicly bashing the faith of others. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

      December 23, 2010 at 7:50 pm |
    • Marty

      Pete, you are correct. The Bible teaches that non believers go to hell. So why is it so bad that Christians do not want others to go to hell????

      December 23, 2010 at 7:52 pm |
    • FreeToExpress

      Marty, allah is real to the muslims as your god is to you so since I say your god does not exist I am saying theirs doesn’t either. Why waste money on a billboard to say that when I would rather help the hungry and the homeless, people with AIDS and other people who need help in this world instead of shoving a myth down their throats and promising them everything will be ok if they only believe.

      Christians, muslism and other religions have killed so many people in the name of their religion and continue to do so every day. It's the religious in this world that terrorize; It's the religious in this world that attempt to instill fear; it's the religious in this world that corrupt it.

      Here's some questions for you and others ... Why don’t christians try to convert muslims to christianity? What are they afraid of?

      December 23, 2010 at 7:52 pm |
    • Pinkristen

      Marty: because Muslims aren't saying that some Islamic holiday is a reason to be celebratory in the winter time; Christians do that. Jews don't profess that Hannukah or Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashana (I apologize to the Jews if I spelled any of those wrong) is 'the' reason to celebrate anything. No other faith is monopolizing the time frame between late November and Dec 25 as 'their' religious thing. Not the Hindus or the Budhists, etc. No one but the Christians think it belongs to them. I was raised Catholic and I still think it's bogus that we claim it as 'ours'. Load of crap. Who do we think we are?! Really?! winter time came and went LOOONG before Christians came along. And if we thought about how many billboards are up around the country professing or spreading the 'word of God',....and we're giving the Atheists a hard time about ONE flippin billboard? What an ego we have, eh? PS: I was raised Catholic, but I outgrew that load of crap when I became an adult.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:55 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Marty

      Atheists have put up billboards about religions other than christianity – I posted a link to same in one of the other two aritcles about billboards...

      @All

      I think it is fantastic that these billboards are being put up! The more religious beliefs are exposed to the public and in such a public way, the greater chance they will be seen for the fairy tales that they are. No set of mythological tribal beliefs can stand the light of day – religion continues to exist only because of the "free pass" society gives it. These days (of a free pass) are ending and I hope that soon belief in supernatural beings will be seen for the mental illness or cult indoctrination that it is.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:27 pm |
    • Ra

      It's very simple, Marty. A larger percent of the population of the United States is Christian than Muslim. Why put up a billboard about Islam in a predominantly Christian populated country?

      December 23, 2010 at 8:38 pm |
    • Don

      Well Marty, it's much like why there isn't a lot of malware for the mac: it doesn't have a large share. In the US, the percentage of the population which is muslim simply isn't as great as that for christians. So......

      December 23, 2010 at 9:03 pm |
    • MSmith

      Fine....since you haven't been able to drag an atheist into doing so, I'll take my shot. ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS ARE FALSE AND COMPLETE CREATIONS OF THE HUMAN MIND – JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, PAGANISM, SCIENTOLOGY, SHAMANISM – AD NAUSEUM. RELIGION STARTED AS A METHOD OF EXPLANATION OF NATURAL EVENTS (DISEASE, FAMINE, WAR, INFESTATION, SEASONAL CHANGE, CLIMATIC AND GEOLOGICAL EVENTS, EMOTIONAL RESPONSES AND IMPULSES, ETC.). GODS AND GOD, ALLAH AND JESUS, LILITH, THE WHOLE LOT....WERE CREDITED FOR THE EFFECT, BECAUSE HUMANS OF THE TIME DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE CAUSE. ONCE IT WAS REALIZED THAT HUMANS WERE UNABLE TO DIRECTLY ATTACK, THEREFORE UNABLE TO CONTROL THE ACTIONS OF, AN IMAGINARY 'NOTHING'.....RELIGION BECAME A MEANS OF GOVERNANCE BY UNIFYING THE THOUGHTS AND CUSTOMS OF POPULATION GROUPS EN MASS. Since that time, religion has been used as a collar of control and little else.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:50 pm |
    • JesuswasaJew

      You do realize that the Muslim Allah, Jewish Yahweh and Christian Jehovah are all one and the same, don't you? Allah just means "God" because they're afraid he'll chop their heads off or something if they use his name, and "Jehovah" is the Latinization of Yahweh. Same freaking thing. The old testament of your silly little book, yeah. That's the Jewish Torah.
      Therefore, by denouncing one, we educated folk are, in fact, denouncing all three.
      Perhaps you should actually learn about something before you argue for or against it. Oh wait, that's right. Education and learning are evil. Scientific progress is evil. Because in the end, it's going to prove that your ridiculous little cult is a sham.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:00 pm |
    • jumper53

      Marty
      Don't be drawn into seperation of thought. There is only one GOD. One Creator. A Creator of all. That is a GOD of love. A love that sent his only begotten son to reconcile the faults of all mankind. Everywhere everyone hears a different voice. But in the moment of reckoning that voice is a voice of love because GOD is love. GOD forgives because we don't know what we do. Jesus is GOD's promise for all. Believe that with all you heart, soul and mind.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:13 pm |
    • Marcus

      What they hell do you think "everybody draw mohammed day!" was about. I gladly criticize Islam just as much as I do with christianity.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:20 pm |
    • moi

      Just being an atheist allready puts you in the Islam fundies' crosshair, no need to annoy them more then just existing. Muslims in the USA are really not a problem, too few of them and they don't try to impose their religion. The real problem in the USA is with Christian fundamentalists who try to make the USA a theocracy

      December 23, 2010 at 10:47 pm |
    • hawk

      Marty, That was great!!! They do try to prey on the weak. I'd like to see them talk their BS about allah or mohhamed, welll, not really because then they would take it out on everybody else as usual. {our} Lord would not have me to do such to innocent people.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:30 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      MSmith – at what point do you draw a line between an atheist and an anarchist? That last post almost made me feel like you don't want no one telling you that you can't do anything you want to do, no matter how detrimental it might be to others or you.

      I hear talk of evolution on here, which I do agree in, but where do you think our laws evolved from? Do you reject everythimg just because it isn't 100% correct in your perception? You must have been a great student in school but somehow, like the human race, I suspect you made some mistakes along the way.

      You are right though if you aren't still running around trying convince evryone that those mistakes were actually right and that they all have to believe them to or burn in heck. I get that. It does work both ways, and extremism for any cause is ignorance.... and ignorance is the true cause of all evil.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:05 am |
    • Anarimus

      Marty the group that put up the Atheist billboard is putting one up in Huntsville, Alabama that criticizes ALL religions.

      God..let me get this straight. You couldn't just forgive people for sin so you had to send your immortal son here to pretend to die (when you're immortal and eternal you can't truly die) and he comes back to life and the ONLY way that people get to come to heaven and be forgiven is if they accept him as your son....what does having to go through all that have to do with forgiveness??? Plus you had to allow other religions to be made similar to yours just to confuse people and better yet you left no evidence of any of your claims that you even exist just a book whose big miracles like creation contradict the overwhelming evidence that humans got here naturally....and people think religion makes sense???

      Atheism is the ONLY rational response.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:29 am |
    • Quenton Hall

      I would give the link to the billboard that goes up Jan 1st in Huntsville, Alabama, but my post would get taken down (I actually read the rules to this website. You religious people should actually read your own books), but look it up. It puts 5 different religions (including Islam) on it. & the reason we don't bash islam (As much. You might not notice because you christians bash islam so much that we could get mistaken for you guys when we do. smh) is because they don't put up billboards that say 'Mohammad is great!', & they def don't put up decorations around cities when ramadan is going on (I've mention other reasons why christianity is a prime target for Atheist above too if you care to look). We are simply placing our message out there amongst all of the christian messages out there. & another reason the billboard was about christmas was simply marketing. Think about how much publicity they got by saying that about christmas in the 'christmas season'? They got a million dollars worth of news coverage for 20K. That sounds smart to me. Now that people are watching them, the one they put up in Huntsville will get publicity too. It's a strategy. That's it

      December 24, 2010 at 2:57 am |
    • DKJ

      Allah is just another name for god. Atheists are nothing like terrorist. We care not for what you believe, however, we do like having your beliefs or the any religious fraction shoving their beliefs at us or our children.
      Religion, the core of all evil & most wars.
      Religion, a way to control the masses through fear & ignorance.
      Brainwashing at its best since the process is started at birth.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:46 pm |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      JesuswasaJew: We shouldn't tell others that they need to learn a little more before speaking if all we have grasped or can express is extremes...take some of your own advice and learn a little more. While some of your history lesson is correct its still lacking a lot that would help.

      December 25, 2010 at 2:36 pm |
    • Selfish Gene

      allah is a myth. so is every other religion. happy?

      December 27, 2010 at 1:46 pm |
  9. colonelingus

    Funny, I don't recall reading anything on the Atheists billboard that was hateful.
    An educated mind is religions greatest threat.
    " And in the beginning, Man created God".

    December 23, 2010 at 7:31 pm |
    • Only Way

      Friend, Bible is very clear about how everything was created by God. Unlike Quran or other religious books, God of the Bible is the ONLY true God who created everything.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
    • pete

      A new age of enlightenment has begun. More and more people are coming out of the closet, first anonymously here on these forums but eventually in public in large numbers. People are tired of the fear mongering, the oppression and ridicule. Education is the greatest tool of the non believers. The religious are retreating. It is the beginning of the end of religion.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:40 pm |
    • Lol@God

      Onlyway, what about the religions and people that were on earth prior to christianity being a religion? Did they just not exist? Or did a different, not as cool make believe god make them?

      December 23, 2010 at 11:18 pm |
    • hawk

      he said " stay away from him who calls himself (atheist)"

      December 23, 2010 at 11:55 pm |
    • Floyd

      Well the strategically placed star above the donkey and not Baby Jesus is a pretty nasty and not so subliminal shot that is nothing but antagonistic and hatefull. That's a start. The message is pretty clear on that athiest board...hate.
      The message on the Christian board is very clear .... love and comfort.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:26 am |
    • God

      I came down in the person of Jesus Christ, the likeness of man for you. You are free to accept this gift or embrace eternal damnation. I will not force you to choose, the paths are clearly marked, take the path you think is best. Blessed are those who are persecuted, riddiculed, or condemed for my name's sake, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

      December 24, 2010 at 1:57 am |
    • Ryan

      @Floyd

      It takes a pretty ignorant christian to associate "reason" with "hate"

      December 24, 2010 at 10:30 am |
    • Alexandrine

      Pete, it speaks of a great falling away from God in the Bible. It is happening right now in front of our very eyes. Then the Lord Jesus will come back with all his glory. He's coming like a thief in the night! I guess the question for everyone is ARE YOU SAVED? He's coming back soon. I just want to laugh when I see people writing comments about Jesus staling on his return. Funny, the Bible says that in the last days, foolish people will be mocking him about his return. When I read the Bible I see it's very words happening right before my very eyes. First Corinthians says that the message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction. But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God. For believers, read second Peter 3:3-4 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth ad following their own desires. They will say, "What happened to the promis that Jesus is coming again?From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created." JESUS IS COMING BACK SOON!!!!!!!!!! Be ready. Scoffers and Mockers will be destroyed but for those who see the truth know that he's coming back soon and be ready.

      December 24, 2010 at 10:58 am |
    • DKJ

      Again everyone is quoting from a book written by men and for men to rule to back their beliefs.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:33 pm |
    • Scott

      @Floyd: “strategically placed star above the donkey and not Baby Jesus is a pretty nasty”, Yes and the peace sign is really an inverted cross

      December 24, 2010 at 5:48 pm |
  10. Confusedeth

    I've never been able to understand how Adam and Eve's only two children were male, one of them murdered the other, yet the species didn't die out. And how did Noah get two of every species when there are species unique to such places as Madagascar and the Galapagos? We don't need a magic man in the sky to force us to care about each other on the threat of eternal suffering. We COULD just chose to do it because it's awesome. In fact, what little good religion manifests is far, far outweighed by the division and destruction it produces.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm |
    • Only Way

      Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters after the two. The Holy Bible gives the answer: Gen 5:4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:32 pm |
    • Only Way

      Friend, I am a scientist. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REAL EVIDENCE for evolution. Please produce one to me. Please give the Journal reference and let me know we can talk off line. May God Bless you. Jesus Loves You.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:41 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      The Bible does not provide EVERY detail! You are missing it because you want reason and logic (Natural, human attributes) to explain faith (spiritual and supernatural attributes). It's not going to happen! Look at it this way, when you were a child, when you parents said something, did you reject it for lack of reason or logic, or did you just TRUST them to make things happen? if you answer is the latter, THAT IS FAITH! FAITH and heart not logic, reason and head!!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:43 pm |
    • Confusedeth

      Only Way – If you're a scientist, you're not a very good one. As for 'faith' – that is just a cop-out because you have no justification for what you think and want to force on everyone else. If I tell you there's a six-headed green monster 150 feet under your house, and if you don't accept it as your savior you'll be eaten alive by termites in 2015, will you take it on faith? If it'll make you feel better about it, I'll write a book that says it too. I just get frustrated, because all the time and money we waste supporting religion (see Vatican) could be used actually doing some good in the world. And without religion we have no skirt-tails to hide behind as an excuse to discriminate against those different from us .

      December 23, 2010 at 8:01 pm |
    • Tysic

      Well there's your answer. You just got owned. Adam and Eve had many children. . .during their 800 year life span. LMFAO!!!

      December 23, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
    • Don

      Only Way, lying will not help you. Especially lying about evolution. I don't know why reality scares you so much. But that's something you need to work on.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:01 pm |
    • jumper53

      Confusedeth
      You are so right. GOD doesn't force you to do anything. You were created in the image of the Creator. So create your own way. You take this moment to do what you feel is right. You need nothing to do this other than that for which you were created. Just do right. No one is looking. Just do right because it is right. GOD would have nothing less. Do right for your own sake and you shall be blessed regardless if you accept that or not. Do right.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:59 pm |
    • savedone

      Hey confused, your statement proves one thing: your knowledge is finite. You are trying to explain the things of God using human knowledge. You start from the wrong point: you are assuming that God is not real. If this is where you start, you will never understand the things of God. The Bible says that the things of God are foolishness to (the unsaved) person. By the way, I hope you don't come to that point where you see Jesus and you realize that "you goofed" (as you said in your other post); if this is what happens then it will be too late to change your mind. There are no real atheists in this forum; only people who choose to reject God for one reason or another.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:35 pm |
    • Don

      And yet there is no god.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:41 pm |
    • Lol@God

      If we all came from the children of Adam and Eve, does this mean the bible is supporting inbreeding? Is that why there are so many retarded people that believe this opiate of a thing known as religion?

      December 23, 2010 at 11:16 pm |
    • BADGUY

      "Adam and Eve" were Babylonian stories incorporated into the Jewish old testament during the Jews' captivity in Babylon (600 BC). My understanding is they were "fillers" to explain a "time line" from creation up through the exodus of their people from Egypt. They probably had no stories or myths in the Jewish Oral history, so they just borrowed stories from Babylonian religious traditions. If you want to argue over the validity of these stories you'd better go back to the source: Babylonian Religious stories and traditions.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:17 am |
    • MacGog

      "Only way" is a scientist? Really? What kind? I heard that a certain founder of an American religious group claimed to be a nuclear physicist after taking a college course for which he earned an F. Seriously, if you want evidence for evolution, it's all around you and inside of your DNA. There are literally tons of fossils, and billions of living things which are solid evidence for evolution by natural selection. Evolution is universally accepted by experts within the life sciences (wait- I'm not sure about textile scientists or nutritional scientists, or Scientologists).

      December 24, 2010 at 12:38 am |
    • Rise346

      One Way...so If Adam and Eve started to create the population and had many children over 800 years, you are saying that we are all inbred? And how come the life expectancy now is only like 78-82?

      December 24, 2010 at 9:03 am |
    • Wewt

      Steve (the real one)

      The Bible does not provide EVERY detail! You are missing it because you want reason and logic (Natural, human attributes) to explain faith (spiritual and supernatural attributes). It's not going to happen! Look at it this way, when you were a child, when you parents said something, did you reject it for lack of reason or logic, or did you just TRUST them to make things happen?

      No I did not question my parents when I was a kid. It doesn't mean they are correct. If a messed up crackhead tells his kid that crack is good for the body, should this child take that as gospel and not question it?

      Go back and question why people of your faith had the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, why the Puritans held the Salem Witch Trials, why your culture eliminated probably the greatest society of astronomers in the world. Question yourself on why there are so many other religions other then your own.

      If god truly wanted you to believe everything he said then you would be in a field eating grass all day without a care in the world. God gave you the power to think and question. Through all of these evil things your Christian faith has brought to the world for the last 2000 years have you ever taken the time to think that maybe you guys were really tricked by the Devil himself? I would, looking at your faiths track record with the rest of the world.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:36 am |
    • Marshall

      You have to understand the Bible was originally a Pagan astrological guide to the stars to chart the Zodiac.It has since been rewritten many times for the sake of controlling society through fear.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:43 am |
  11. Inyourimage

    I know you're there Lord! You given me infallible proof!

    December 23, 2010 at 7:26 pm |
    • JT

      What infallible truth pray tell? Step up and be the first person in all of history to give us this truth/proof. You can't can you?

      December 23, 2010 at 8:24 pm |
    • Realist

      You mean you're own close minded insanity? I'd "pray" for you but I think we all know what a load of crap it is, even if some people pretend really really hard that it's true and try to convince others of it. Otherwise it's just clinical insanity.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:15 pm |
    • Don

      @Inyourimage
      > I know you're there Lord! You given me infallible proof!

      Please share such evidence. Can you post a youtube video?
      Too many people use the lame "I went through a bad time, and God helped me..." "proof".
      I am glad that someone finally found the proof.

      Since you have found the elusive proof, can I ask a few questions?

      Can God use email? the data loss in prayer seems to be very high, and seems to be a one-way protocol.

      Do we really have to worship God for eternity after death? That does not sound fun.

      Does God not wish to be seen/observed for the same reason as other extraterrestrial life? What exactly is the reason.

      Why such a crude/unfair good vs bad determination at death ? Really, belief in an unbelievable myth determines eternal placement.

      Who should I believe in? Jesus or Santa? The historical evidence seems the same for both.

      Which is really better, heaven of hell?

      December 24, 2010 at 4:27 pm |
  12. yankeelover1

    Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus our Savior. Atheists just hate it that the Christians are comforted by their God and they aren't. They're just jealous and upset that they don't have a God to comfort them so they don't want anyone else to have one either. What a shame. Live and let live. Merry Christmas!!

    December 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm |
    • Only Way

      I DO NOT see these atheists speaking against the evil practices of Islam!! If they are truthfull, why don't they speak the truth about Mohammed and his followers?????

      December 23, 2010 at 7:28 pm |
    • Confusedeth

      Nobody is jealous of your delusion. Hey, if Jesus came back tomorrow and went on Oprah, then I'd have no problem saying, "Well, I goofed. Guess it's real." But with absolutely zero evidence of the authenticity of any Bible story, yet with millions of pieces of solid evidence of evolution and the Big Bang, then forgive me if I use the brain that you think a sentient omnipotent being placed in my skull. The truth is, with all the evidence of both residual and active haunting, and the amazing NDE's (near death experiences) I've been exposed to, I actually really believe some part of our energy lives on after us. I just don't buy the hokey, exactly-like-a-thousand-other-ancient-mythical-stories content of the Bible or any other religious text. Look, if you believe Jesus is real, then you have to believe Hercules is real too, because they have the same life story, and both had books written about them in antiquity.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:35 pm |
    • yankeelover1

      Only Way: Atheists or anyone else for that matter don't dare upset the Muslims. You disagree with Muslims, you die! Atheists are cowards plain and simple. They know who they can pick on (the peaceful and loving Catholics) and who they can't (Muslims). Atheists are nothing more than bullies. I'd love to see them go after Muslim's and their Mohammed and see what happens but they know better – cowards.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
    • Pirate

      hey yankeelover, Christmas is a Christian holiday, by the way; not a Muslim one.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    • Only Way

      Atheists cheating themselves and trying to face the truth. However, a DAY is coming none of the fake stuff with stand. The Jesus with appear in His glory, the Judgment seat will be set. Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment
      Joh 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

      December 23, 2010 at 7:51 pm |
    • Tysic

      Any day now, Jesus will come. Could be tomorrow, could be the day after. . . You do realize Christians have been believing in the imminent return of Jesus from the moment he left, right? But, y'know, I'm sure he'll come eventually. Just keep opposing green legislation, because the earth will be destroyed anyway, right? And you wonder way we atheist dislike you so.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
    • jumper53

      The real point is that Athiests have a God. You see God is the God of all .There is only One God. That promise of a Savior is a promise given by a God of Love. You don't have to accept it or believe it (Athiests do neither) but it is still a promise of an absolute and true God. So as GOD IS, so is the promise. The good new is that Jesus came for the salvation of all mankind and Athiests are part of mankind whether they want to accept that or not. In the end it doesn't matter because GOD IS.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:36 pm |
    • MacGog

      Jesus said that he would return during the lifetimes of his disciples who were present (Mark 13:30, Matth. 24:34, "This generation shall not pass..."). Perhaps he lied, perhaps he was misquoted, or perhaps he wasn't the god he thought he was (or the god who his followers believed him to be), or perhaps he never existed at all and was based instead on one of the Pagan resurrection gods who so closely resembled him long before he was even born. Of course he also allegedly said "I come not to bring peace, but the sword". So maybe it's a good thing he/it hasn't returned. To those who commented that Atheists or Freethinkers don't criticize Muslims, you have obviously never read Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, or the magazines The Skeptical Inquirer, Free Inquiry, and The Humanist. You also must not have heard of Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie, or Ibn Warraq either. As for me personally, I really don't care what nonsense you choose to believe in as long as you don't force it on other people in public schools or government offices. Merry Christmas/Yule and Happy New Year.

      December 24, 2010 at 1:09 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      Confusedeth – appropriate name. You say "with absolutely zero evidence of the authenticity of any Bible story". Sounds like were dealing with some very outdated knowledge there in that infallible skull that you seem to think God blessed you alone with. Are you saying that archeology and historical studies don't count as science – turn on the History Channel or go to a bookstore, library or Wikipedia once in a while... things have changed in the last 100 years or so. Do you also mean that the truthful psychological and social affects and lessons are totally missing or in error from the Bible? Things like you shouldn't lie, or steal etc. I would hope you're smarter than that, to be ranting with such self assurance. Even Jesus gave the priests heck about making things more difficult for the people than they needed to be, so you probably can at leat relate to that. Its goods stuff. Some of my favorite parts, like telling priests to stop straining at the specks in there brother's eyes while not first removing the beam from their own. Carpenter stuff.

      As for those that throw the Koran or other religious books into these discussions, you should try reading them too with an open mind and keeping in mind that like the Bible they were writtent 1300-3000 years ago in terms considering the knowledge level of the people of those times. You have to also study something about the history of those times a little more than what you may have learned in elementary school. You'd be surprised what you might find even though there are still remnants of tribal thoughts in all of those books. Yes there are violent passages in the Koran, but so to in the Bible in Joshua and Deuterononmy. Again it takes some right minded effort. Are you equipped or forever Confusedeth? 🙂

      December 24, 2010 at 1:39 am |
    • Jaybucks

      to Yankee Lover: Atheists don't hate it that Christians are comforted by their imaginary god and we aren't. We don't need to be comforted by an imaginary deity, we simply rely on ourselves, which is a farrrrrrrr more mature, adult point of view. If I was jealous, I would simply choose to believe in your god, since it's really, really easy to join your club/cult (no membership fee, the only requirement being that you must check your common sense at the door of the clubhouse). By the way, I'm a former Christian, who also no longer believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or the boogeyman.

      December 24, 2010 at 8:10 am |
    • Rise346

      Only Way...MAybe it's because Muslims aren't the ones who shove their religion down athiests throats and because do you see anyone on this post thats are Musilm talking about the big M?

      December 24, 2010 at 8:56 am |
    • Rise346

      Yankeelover1...are you sure athiests are the cowards here? I mean I don't see Christians arguing against Musilms for the same reason.

      December 24, 2010 at 8:59 am |
    • mg

      @confusedeth – When you refer to people of faith's beliefs as "delusions" it only reinforces the stereotype of atheists as angry and bitter. You may not share their belief, but you could refer to it as "belief" rather than "delusion".

      December 24, 2010 at 10:03 am |
    • zmey

      Equating the winter solstice with the birth of Jesus came about in the 4th century in an effort to bring the pagans about; you can thank Constantine I for making it official. Happy Saturnalia!

      December 24, 2010 at 12:07 pm |
    • Geoffrey Sperl

      As an atheist, I will readily say this:

      All religions are equally invalid. Quit thinking we only call out Christians (you just whine about it the most).

      December 24, 2010 at 2:05 pm |
    • HeyZeus

      Actually Christmas is a Pagan Holiday taken by the RCC to attempt to pull more Pagans into the Christian religion, It has nothing to do with "Jesus", nor does it have anything to do with his birth. You should read up on the origins of of the holiday, it is an interesting read. Also, Atheists say nothing about the Islamic holidays because Islam is not a pushy, indoctrination styled religion attempting to undo thousands of years of culture and (non)beliefs in a given deity. I have yet to see Islam one time in the history of the world attempt to convert 'non-believers' to the Islamic codes, nor have I seen Islam attempting to wipe form the earth other beliefs as the Christian Church has. All that has occurred in the last 30 year dealing with Islamic versus Christian was brought on by the Christian since its inception as the present cult it is today.

      While I know that Christians love to spin even their own history to suit their conscience, when you pick up a non-aligned book describing the pain, death, and suffering caused by the Christian Church, one has to wonder why any 'loving, caring, righteous' person would want to affiliate themselves with the most barbaric group of rules and populace in the history of the world.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:23 pm |
    • Selfish Gene

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      December 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm |
  13. Only Way

    The teachings of Christ is the BEST teaching ever and the ONLY teaching that will make a person go to heaven. Atheists want to make fun of Jesus. Is it because He told us the truth? I do not see any atheist saying truth about Mohammed. Is it because you will be killed if you do so?

    December 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm |
    • pete

      Fear mongering, another tool of the oppressors

      December 23, 2010 at 7:29 pm |
    • Tysic

      Ah, I see. The bible is the only way to go to a place that does not exist. I like that one almost as much as when the Christians tell me that my disbelief will send me to a place that doesn't exist. Why is it okay for adults to have imaginary friends? If this season should remind you of anything it should be how easily it is to get people to believe in outright lies and myth(see Santa Clause.)

      December 23, 2010 at 8:12 pm |
    • raytheist

      "only way to heaven"? puh-leeeeze. Religious door-knockers are just as bad as the old time vacuum salesmen - they'd throw dirt on your carpet to sell you a vacuum. The church tells people they are sinners just so they can sell their "gospel". The Bible is a crock, unreliable, unscientific, and inappropriate for life in the 21st Century. There is nothing truly unique or special about Christianity.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:28 pm |
    • Don

      I don't see many muslim preachers around here. So until I do, it's the christians which are the preachy ones.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
    • Steve

      I have the same lack of respect for Mohammed as I do for any other so called prophet. Mohammed's writings are as cryptic and meaningless as Nostradamus's and just as open to infinite speculation and interpretation, which I suspect was the intent of the writer. Anyone claiming any book was written by god is a liar. Anyone believing any book was written by god is not quite sane. Anyone who claims to have spoken to god is insane or a liar. It is a perhaps the worst of all frauds to conjure up the "word of god" and then unleash the miserable consequences upon decent people, just to use and control them. Preaching is a hate crime.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    • Terre08

      This is the best forum on CNN. I love my fellow atheists and agnostics. The best of all is when some crazy fundamentalist like "One Way" start posting. I laugh my head off at all the witty comments.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:47 pm |
    • BADGUY

      I don't believe I've heard of Athiest "making fun of Jesus". They mostly make fun of the religious tricksters that make money off the believers they hoodwink. The "evil" in religion is not Jesus or in what he taught. It is in the manmade Christian "churches" that have sprouted up over the last 2000 years to make money off these teachings.

      December 23, 2010 at 11:35 pm |
    • Raptor

      Mo was a drunk, a Thief, A child molester, and a liar. Islam is a perverted belief that also needs to be erradicated along with all the other religious organizations

      December 24, 2010 at 7:39 am |
    • Alexandrine

      I agree. Jesus is the only way. The people that are hostile towards God are the ones that are doing something that they know is sinful and that God would not approve of it. So they harden their hearts and shut their ears to the truth. Nobody likes to be told that what they're doing is wrong. If you want to be chained up forever in your sin and be a slave to it and let it destroy you, go right ahead, you've got free will. I chose freedom in Christ. You'll have to give an account for all your ideal words one day. And for that guy that claims he'll punch God on Judgement Day, you need to make up your mind whether you believe or not. God has to be real for you to strike him. I hope I'm standing next you and watch you crying like a baby pleading on your knees for mercy and begging God to forgive you cause during your time under the sun you were stupid and didn't know any better. I am amazed at the boldness of people's words. They will come back to haunt you! Trust me!

      December 24, 2010 at 10:23 am |
    • ric

      what are my options again?..To be killed if I say anything against mohamed, or to be damned to hell if I chose not to follow The teachings of Christ. Religion sounds mean to me..

      December 24, 2010 at 10:35 am |
    • ric

      @Alexandrine..You are the main reason I gave up going to church ..To want to see people who do not share your same belief to suffer , is very mean spirited and spiteful. I guess it's true when they say most hypocrites can be found in church.

      December 24, 2010 at 10:47 am |
    • kso

      the teachings of christ are... nice. But jesus' teachings and scripture are not excuses to justify things you knew weren't possible in 4th grade and still haven't come to question the reality of those things as an adult... unbelievable.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:59 am |
    • DKJ

      God by any name is an invisable imaginary being created to control the masses through fear & ignorance. All religions had or has a profit that brings the so called word to light. Another tool to control the slaves of old. For those who need believe, I say go for it, but please don't shove it down our throats or try to keep our children in the dark ages of ignorance. As for religion, any religon it is the product of man and the first form of government starting with primitive man. The bible was brought forth by Rome during the creation of the Catholic Church in a time when those who didn't convert faced torture & death.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:07 pm |
    • Opera Fan

      The presumption that the writers of the New Testament witnessed Jesus is a fallacy. The gospels and rest of NT were written 100 years after Jesus died. With the short life expectancy of those times the writers, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or Paul heard the oral history third hand at best. No historian from Jesus' lifetime has confirmed his existence even – not Flavius Josephus or the Essenes or Pliny nor Talmudic scholars. He probably did exist but was one of several messianic figures of not enough repute to warrant mention by the Essenes who did allude to John the Baptist.

      Catholic and Judaic biblical scholars even think the story of Moses in Egypt was midrash or hadrassa, a parable. There is no historical confirmation that the Jews were in Egypt at that time. Lots of other parts of the Bible that were intended as parable. Why else are there two creation stories, compiled by J from three Genesis authors? Of course, the Noah story is a fable told by Gilgamesh and other Mesopotamian cultures first. The ark is an absurdity.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:47 pm |
    • Geoffrey Sperl

      That's similar to what the Greeks thought about their gods. And the Romans. And the Norse, the Sumerians, the Babylonians, etc.

      That's similar to what Muslims and Jews think. And Hindus, Buddhists, and Shintoists.

      Shall I go on?

      How are all of them wrong and Christianity is right? Is it because someone told you it was right and the others were wrong?

      December 24, 2010 at 2:03 pm |
    • HeyZeus

      " Though shalt not eat beans in a crowded elevator.." Book of Flatulence, Chapter 1 para. 2

      I think Saint Jerome wrote that, so it has to be true...

      December 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm |
    • Selfish Gene

      I can count on one hand the practicing mu slims I have met. Not really on my radar here in Middle America. But just to make you aware, the mu slim god is the same abrahamic god of x tians. And I reject muzzies along with fundies

      December 27, 2010 at 1:39 pm |
  14. Jay

    Its first amendment both ways.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • Don

      1st amendment has nothing to do with it.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:22 pm |
    • heliocracy

      The first amendment prohibits the government from unreasonably infringing freedom of speech. It does not apply to billboard companies, your employer, or anyone else. The level of understanding many people seem to have of their own country's law and political philosophy is frankly shocking.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:31 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      I agree with Jay and tried to post the first amendment, but got "Your comment is awaiting moderation." It's been about 221 years. How much time is needed for review? 🙂 That time has past and its been law for a long long time.

      December 25, 2010 at 2:18 pm |
  15. Bob

    I have a question,

    If the bible is true how did noah put 20 million plants and animals into his ark ?

    🙂

    December 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm |
    • Only Way

      Friend, go and read the Bible first and ask the right question. Bible is the Word of God and God did not ask Noah to put plants in the ark. There was enough space for the land animals in the ark.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:26 pm |
    • pete

      The bible is not the word of god. It was written by men who had a much more limited understanding of the world than we do today. Use your brain, there still would not be enough room for all the land animals.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:34 pm |
    • Only Way

      Reply to Pete: Only pair of animal was taken into the ark from each kind except the clean animals. Please read the Word of God. Please, please... DO NOT make God a liar!!!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:38 pm |
    • pete

      How can I accuse god of being a liar if I don't believe he exists, (or maybe there is a god but he didn't write the bible) That's the kind of twisted logic you bible thumpers use.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:00 pm |
    • Aarrgghh

      Only Way: God is not the liar, you have to actually exist to lie.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:05 pm |
    • Stu

      ...and according to the Creationist Museum in Kentucky he loaded dinosaurs into the ark as well. Noah must have been a macho dude to entice two tyrannosaurs aboard along with the sabre tooth tigers and cave bears. Wow. Barnum and Bailey would be proud to have him in their menagerie.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:09 pm |
    • Religion Sucks

      Scientists report they have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals. Now – I am thinking that must have been one he11 of a boat........

      and what about the dinosaurs........whew! Hope there was a nice sea breeze!

      December 23, 2010 at 8:37 pm |
    • YBP

      Noah's Ark: Another myth. Or a sick kind of children's story. You decide.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:02 pm |
    • Marcus

      @Only Way... are you a moron? or just plain stupid. Seriously, the dimensions of the ark as described in the bible could NOT by any stretch of the imagination hold that many species of animals. How can you believe in such nonsense? I mean really?! This is why I am agnostic. People like you make these bold claims, yet when asked for evidence, you rely solely on illogical belief systems. Sorry pal, if you make an extraordinary claim, you must have extraordinary evidence.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:17 pm |
    • davidsstorm

      1. Either God is a liar or he can not speak all truths.
      2. If God says 3 is true then he is a liar. If he does not then then 3 Is a truth God will not say is true.
      3. God will not say statements 1, 2, and 3 are true.

      merry christmas

      December 23, 2010 at 10:25 pm |
    • heliocracy

      @OnlyWay, please give it up. The story of Noah's Ark is a prime example of the extreme fallacy of taking the Bible literally rather than as parable as it was intended. There were thousands of species of animals that Noah had no access to due to geography. He was an old man who would need about 500 years to begin to collect that many animals. And, perhaps most importantly, two animals from a species are not enough to create a new population. In the second generation, siblings must mate by definition, or children must mate with their parents. It takes a child's understanding of the world to see that. I personally think it's silly to believe in an invisible man in the sky who created everything, but it's the height of stupidity to think that the Bible is literal truth. It's a book of parables meant to illustrate moral principles. It is not a history book.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:28 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      Sometimes its hard to tell where the exact history ends and the parable, allegory and myth begin... but that doesn't mean there isn't truth there. Just because something is classified as a myth does not mean it doesn't contain truth. I just means it may not be historically true or maybe not totally historically true – like the Illiad and the Oddessy were once thought to be total fairy tale but we now know there actually was Troy and a Trojan War.

      In fact parables were often used by Jesus to hide the truth from those who didn't want to know or that may be hostile to it.

      Seek and ye shall find the truth. Let him who hath ears hear.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:39 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      DavidSStorm – You need to stop smoking that stuff so much. How do you expect to find logical clarity if you insist on tying your thoughts up into Gordian Knots?

      December 24, 2010 at 12:46 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      After reading these posts about whether the Bible is true or not its easier to understand why the Catholics did not want it written in the languages that people could understand – they were smart enough o know most of them wouldn't without more effort than they would want to make. On the other hand they may have been having second thoughts on the way they chose some books and not others, and translated some phrases some way and not asnother that may have made more sense. Protestants wanted to get back to the original "Word of God" but that had been lost, changed and distorted so much, intentionally and unintentionally over the years, who really knows by now. Still because the truth is hard to find doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked for. On the other hand we should expect God to be revealed within and outside the books.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:54 am |
    • ladderflappy

      and one more thing, how come the invisible man in the sky and his followers can never seem to get the money thing right?
      They just need more and more...not sure why.....I know, they should sign up with those bogus get out of debt free companies

      December 24, 2010 at 1:33 am |
    • LEB

      @Only Way - And what did those animals eat?

      Oh, that's right. We're supposed to "have faith" that God made it so no one had to eat or poop or something during the entire flood. Because a worldwide flood of which there is no geological record and mass extinction of every animal but those on the ark who apparently didn't need to eat or poop for over a month makes sense, right? And that every single human on the planet is the massively inbred descendant of Noah's family, right? Who were all white, right?

      December 24, 2010 at 2:12 am |
    • davidsstorm

      1. According to the logical truth table if a statement is part true and part false then it 's truth value is FALSEHOOD.
      2. If God says 3 is true then he is a liar. If God says 3 is false then he is a liar. If God does not say 3 is true or false then 3 is true yet god does not say 3 is true.

      EITHER GOD IS A LIAR OR HE CAN NOT SAY THE WHOLE TRUTH.

      merry christmas

      December 24, 2010 at 3:17 am |
    • Adolf

      What a dumb question Bob, haven't you ever heard of "shrink-wrapping"?

      December 24, 2010 at 10:30 am |
    • ric

      and what did he feed the carnivores? Each other?..That must have been one messy boat.

      December 24, 2010 at 10:33 am |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      DavidSStorm – so glad our ancestors were smart enough not to reject their partial understandings on your partial truth logic scale, and decided to build on partial truths rather than reject them entirely. Otherwise we would still be hanging in the trees and no one would be discussing Noah. So I assume using your logical truth scale, scientist just suddenly know the whole truth without working towards it through partial understandings (parial truths). Isn't that kind of like the revelation that you're probably also against. Isn't that therefore illogical. How inthe world do you make it through the day?

      December 24, 2010 at 1:45 pm |
    • Scott

      @ Only Way: Then how did the plants survive?

      December 24, 2010 at 5:20 pm |
    • Mike, not me

      You people are so blessed to have the freedom of information at your hand but it can be missused also if not handled properly or with proper scholarship
      Not sure where you got 20 million
      http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

      The Atheist’s Complaint:
      How many beasts went into the ark? More than two of each (Genesis 7:2)
      or two of each (Genesis 7:8-9)? Has Moses contradicted himself?
      Response:
      We will begin with verses 8 and 9. In these verses, Moses does not indicate
      how many of each species went into the ark, merely that as they entered
      into the ark, they went two by two. It is a statement of the orderly manner in
      which they entered. It was not a stampede of unruly animals, nor a single
      file of beasts, but as they entered, it was two by two. These verses in no
      way contradict verse 2, where Moses is told how many of each beast is to
      go into the ark. Of clean beasts, there would be seven groupings of two (7
      males, 7 females). Of the unclean beasts, there would be two (1 male, 1
      female). Consider the wording of Young’s Literal Translation, “Of all the
      clean beasts thou dost take to thee seven pairs, a male and its female; and
      of the beasts which are not clean, two, a male and its female.”
      There is no contradiction.

      December 28, 2010 at 8:59 am |
    • Your Average Atheist

      Some animals, like lions and tigers, only eat meat. So, did Noah bring extra animals to feed to the lions and tigers ? hmmm

      January 1, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
  16. wowlfie

    Just paint over the 'God is' by adding the letters 'n't'. God isn't. God doesn't do. God is a farce of a lie.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:21 pm |
    • yankeelover1

      What a hollow life you must lead. So sad for you.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:27 pm |
    • ScottSF

      hey Yankee. What a deluded and irrational life you must lead. I feel sorry for you. Sounds mean doesn't it? Atheist live and love just like anyone else and have full lives of exploration and wonder.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:43 pm |
    • YBP

      @ yankeelover: Yes, all of the intelligent free-thinkers lead such hollow lives, don't they? No, actually we make the most out of life. Because this it. If you want to be immortal, than do something extraordinary, and maybe you'll be remembered after your gone. John Lennon said it best, "Imagine all the people living for today."

      December 23, 2010 at 9:01 pm |
    • jumper53

      God Is a God of love who will forgive you regardless....He showed his love by giving his only begotten son..... you know the rest don't you

      December 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm |
    • PM

      Maybe he's saying that committing a spiteful act that does no one good is hollow...sounds pretty hollow to me. Use your "reason", since you have so much of it.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:44 pm |
    • Tracy

      I feel so sad you feel this way. After years of being agnostic, I now have a firm belief in God which helps me be a better wife, mother, neighbor, and citizen. Above all, it gives me happiness and knowledge that no matter what happens in this world, it is just a blip on the radar screen. I look forward to a wonderful eternity. What do you look forward to?

      December 23, 2010 at 10:59 pm |
    • Don

      There is no afterlife, Tracy. Death is final. Deluding yourself into believing otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

      December 23, 2010 at 11:08 pm |
    • WarhammerTwo

      @Dan: And you're so sure of that because? Have ya been there, done that? And just so ya know, I'm not saying there is an afterlife. All I'm saying is that I'm not so offensively arrogant to claim one way or the other. The only thing I can guarantee is that eventually we'll all find out the answer. So unless ya can back up your claim with some sort of evidence, please don't be so high and mighty. Thanks.

      December 24, 2010 at 3:27 am |
    • God Is Love

      That's okay, Wowlfie....You don't have to believe in Him, because He believes in you!

      December 24, 2010 at 6:26 am |
    • Alexandrine

      Every Knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord! Everyone that is ugly towards God just goes to show me how kind our God is. I was telling my daughter that If it was left up to me, I would zap you all. And to think that God let his Son Jesus die for you!

      December 24, 2010 at 9:56 am |
    • tightshiplollipop

      If these guys don't believe at least in the possibility of a God, then why do they feel it necessary to argue with us irrational idiots? Y'all are hilarious. Deep down, you know there's more out there. The universe had to come from something – secular science has proven that. There must be an uncaused first cause of the universe that is outside of the universe itself. So, we irrational Christians will pray or mumble in our hands and you keep thinking we're idiots for our beliefs and when we're on our deathbeds, we'll see who is more comfortable. I think God hides himself from the atheists in order to strengthen our reasoning skills. Merry Christmas yall!

      December 24, 2010 at 11:12 am |
    • Scott

      @jumper53: God gave us pain, science gave us anesthetics.

      December 24, 2010 at 5:18 pm |
  17. Anna

    God is Jesus, what?

    December 23, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
    • krg

      The theory is that God is the father, son and holy spirit.The trinity. That is what some believe.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:56 pm |
    • YBP

      @ krg: That's correct. And no Jews, like let's say Jesus and his disciples, would ever accept that. Christianity is a pagan cult. Not that Judaism is any better.

      December 23, 2010 at 8:57 pm |
    • jumper53

      GOD is GOD, I am that I am he said. Singular, absolute and the truth forever. Jesus is a child of God. The perfect one, unblemished, a redeemer, savior, loved by his father. Jesus is the son that GOD sent into this world as part of a perfect plan to forgive us for not loving GOD with all out heart, soul and mind and not loving each other as self. Jesus asked GOD to forgive us as he hung from a cross. God is God.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:48 pm |
    • World Without End - Scientific Pantheism - Philosophic Restore

      Jumper53...having been made within the image of God, instead of conceitedly thinking that God made us to look like It or that we rightly created God to look like us... we are all children of God, and creation and destruction goes on every second of every day, and there are Bible verses inferring that as well, if folks would stop over looking them.

      If we want to pick and choose verses, or only use the Poitically Correct verses in terms of our own denomination despite obvious conflicts with truth and reason, then the commandment "thou shalt not lie" comes into play somehow, I would think; but I could be wrong.

      If it is insisted that faith does not require reason or sense and that others must have faith in that way, then aren't we insisting that people lie, even if only to themselves, breaking the commandment not to lie? On the other hand faith based in logic and reason, and contrary to what atheists might think, resulting suppositions derived from logic and reason.. that kind of faith is what I sense is required.

      Having studied many religions I find it interesting that:

      – God told Moses his name was "I Am",
      – that Tao and I believe the Essenes claimed to follow "The Way",
      – that Zoroastrianism the religion of Persians where the Jews lived in exile, believed in the good God as "the Light";
      – and I don't remember the rest oof the top of my head right now

      but have often wondered when Jesus was asked by what authority he did things and he answered "I am the way, the truth and the light" if maybe it was missing a comma and should of been translated "I Am, The Way, The Truth and The Light".

      I don't claim to know any of this for sure, or insist that others know the same; just that there are many interesting perspectives or there wouldn't be so many different branches of Christianity, Islam, Judaism or other religions. On the other hand I won't claim the non-sense on the both ends of the spectrum that I keep reading on this and other posts either. None of these religions are the great monolithic Satans that they claim each other to be, though there may be some people within them that misuse them for such.

      Only those that look at such subjects in such extremist thought patterns, fit the masks that they are trying to put on others. If we could all understand that, then people could do more than beat their head against the wall over and over and over on these posts. I don't know how many times I've read one side say 1 + 1 is 11 and the other side say 1 + 1 is 0 withouth either side moving towards something that tries to make sense out of what truly has to exist as science and religion in harmony = what the Greeks called Philosophy.

      Beware of anyone only capable of thinking in extremes. Sometimes they get so mad they could just blow up. That is what anyone should be afraid of atheist or non-atheist.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:18 am |
    • David

      you have to love how Christians created a loophole to worship Jesus. Funny for supposedly the inventor of language, God has a very hard time being clear and articuluate.

      Exodus

      2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

      3 Do not have any other gods before me. (wow that seems pretty clear to me, not even an asterick for a disclaimer)

      5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, (wow he even states he is a jealous God, doesn't seem he is wanting to share any spotlight)

      But the Christians read that and then try to spin it. No it isn't that we have three Gods..it is just one. No I am not really worshipping the Golden cow moses, see it is actually God ,they are one in the same. Blah blah blah. But as most Christians wouldn't now a verse out of the bible to save their life (except the Lords prayer) it is easy to convince them of anything.

      December 24, 2010 at 1:26 am |
    • WarhammerTwo

      @World Without End – Scientific Pantheism – Philosophic Restore: "Beware of anyone only capable of thinking in extremes. Sometimes they get so mad they could just blow up."

      Sounds like my mother.

      December 24, 2010 at 3:21 am |
    • joenyc

      And lets not forget that christians pray to demigods too... Oh yeah. The lesser gods are the likes of Mary, Peter, Paul, and I guess all the saints too. Demigods.

      December 24, 2010 at 9:39 am |
    • JohnDoe

      Joe, I think you're missing the distinction between Catholics and Protestants. Protestants don't pray to saints or Mary. And besides, Jesus is God. Let's not get all hung up and say that Christians created some loophole.... it's right there in the Bible:

      I and my Father are one. John 10:30

      December 24, 2010 at 11:42 am |
  18. John Doe

    Someone ought to spray out Jesus and put up Muhammed. See how many flames erupt.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
  19. JR, San Diego

    That bill board looks like a great place for a giant "N'T" to be spray painted.

    December 23, 2010 at 7:19 pm |
  20. Tom Birchfield

    ..."The Living God is as real as these words, and the man whom he made in his own image."

    ..."Be strong and take heart, all you who hope in the LORD." –Psalms31:24

    December 23, 2010 at 7:19 pm |
    • MountainSoldier

      That's pretty, but it's empty of reason. It might be a nice fairy tale for you in your comfortable suburban home but in the mountains of Afghanistan, God is absent. Period.

      December 23, 2010 at 7:22 pm |
    • Oodoodanoo

      "Son, a funny thing about regret. It's better to regret something you HAVE done, than to regret something you HAVEN'T done." - Butthole Surfers

      December 23, 2010 at 7:23 pm |
    • C. Smythe

      these words are just excited electrons doing mans work in a lcd screen . . .

      December 23, 2010 at 7:26 pm |
    • Steve (the real one)

      MountainSoldier
      That's pretty, but it's empty of reason. It might be a nice fairy tale for you in your comfortable suburban home but in the mountains of Afghanistan, God is absent. Period
      --------
      Faith, not man's weak attempt through reason or logic! The heart, not the head! God is ever present1 Period!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
    • Patrick

      Whenever anyone can give EVIDENCE of the existence of god that is admissible in court, let me know.

      Anecdotal parables – no
      Hearsay/Bible/ – no
      Feelings – no
      Voices in your head – no
      You just KNOW – no

      Let me know. Btw there are more holidays around Xmas time than JUST CHRISTIAN ones. Happy HOLIDAYS!

      December 23, 2010 at 7:44 pm |
    • jumper53

      The living God said " I am that I am". I- single in nature, one not anyone else, supreme being. Am- a state of being, in the presence of now forever and ever. Am is not was or will be. It is right now in the presence. Am is absolute, it is not might be, should be or could be, it is. That is ABSOLUTE. Absolute is the truth, it either is or is not. Am is. That is demonstrative. sigle in nature with an outside reference. That is very exclusive in nature. That tree means only that tree and no other. This all boils down to two words. GOD IS. Someone got it right.

      December 23, 2010 at 9:24 pm |
    • BADGUY

      Did Jesus live?....probably. Did he do the things the Apostles said he did....maybe...maybe not. Are many things in the bible, especially the new testiment, "good"?..I think so. Was Jesus a God?..I doubt it. I think of it this way. Christmas celebrates the man (and the myth) that was Jesus. We celebrate Martin Luther King Day, Lincoln's, Washingtons's birthdays. So what's so strange about honoring a man (God?) that influenced history and gave us a moral code that has governed christian peoples (for good and bad) for the last 2,000 years? Was he a god or wasn't he. That is the question that divides the "Christian" world and the "Non-Christians". And...so what? Who can say with any proof which is true?

      December 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm |
    • Steve

      I just love it when one of these deluded religious people quote the silly bible as though it means anything to people not indoctrinated into blindly believing it. Imagine you're in China during the Cultural Revolution and some child is waving Mao's Little Red Book at you, screaming it's propaganda as though it means anything while laughably claiming it was written by god. That's how silly you look to me and how dangerous you would become if you could actually force people to kowtow (pun intended) to your nonsense. You're a hateful, childish, small minded bigot and the reason why religion has to be ridiculed and marginalized.

      December 23, 2010 at 10:19 pm |
    • LEB

      And in whose image did he make woman? Oh yeah, woman was created to serve man. I forgot.

      Or rather, Eve was. Adam's first wife, Lilith, was created as his equal. Too bad Adam was a cowardly neanderthal and had Lilith expelled from Eden when she expected to be treated like the equal she was. But of course, the entire Adam/Lilith/Eve myth was really invented to remind women of their "place" under men... figuratively and literally. Thank God, pun intended, when we invented birth control and women could finally create their own destinies.

      December 24, 2010 at 2:07 am |
    • WarhammerTwo

      BADGUY, I like your thinking... mainly because it's the EXACT same as mine. I believe Jesus existed. However, I struggle with his divinity constantly. Was Jesus God? I dunno. Did he do amazing things? He might have. Were they miracles? Maybe to the folks who witnessed them. Could it be some of the nifty things he did were exaggerated? Yeah, could be. I'm not sure if I buy into the whole resurrection, either. But I do know that I liked his style and I dig his message and that's why I call myself a Christian. If he wasn't God, then I think he's about as close as any person ever got to being God. And what is God? Well, I don't know so much about a big bearded guy sitting on a cloud. I think God is something a little bit beyond our comprehension. but I think the closest we get to describing or knowing God is through Love. Literally. God IS love. That unexplainable joy you have from simply being near the person that means the most to you in the entire world? That's God. Happiness so overwhelming you cry. That's God. Mercy, compassion, guilt when you hurt another. God. It's what makes us human. And I think, from what I've read in what I am sure is a Bible filled with human fallibility, Jesus was about as close as we could get to Perfect Love and therefore as close as any one could ever get to God.

      December 24, 2010 at 3:16 am |
    • Josef F

      jumper53: "The living God said " I am that I am"."

      Um, that was Popeye.

      December 24, 2010 at 3:17 am |
    • joenyc

      ..."The Living Spaghetti Monster is as real as these words, and the man whom he made in his own image."

      December 24, 2010 at 9:37 am |
    • Marshall

      Man made God in his own image.

      December 24, 2010 at 11:27 am |
    • Fabiola Ribeiro

      Amen to that! 🙂

      I think in countries like ours where there's abundance at least compared to other countries. People don't want to get out of their comfort zone. Most people have everything they need, and believe they don't need to believe in God because they think they don't need him. Others have too much pride that the only thought that there might be someone so powerful seems impossible for them. God wants all the best for us, but he doesn't want people to start seeking for him when they're struggling. The scripture says the apocalypse will happen and soon, calamities will happen. And I can bet my right arm that there will be people kneeling before God and start seeking for him when that happens. Seek for God now, and you will find peace and when really bad things start happening you will have no fear.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:12 pm |
    • beth

      Psalm 25:3 "No one whose hope is in you will ever be put to shame" Empty is what you have without hope in Him and His word.

      December 24, 2010 at 12:25 pm |
    • Scott

      @Tom Birchfield: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do
      all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

      December 24, 2010 at 5:11 pm |
    • Mr. Libertarian

      Gee, xians with all their churches and all their marquees don't get their word out enough, they have to use billboards since they see non-believers do it. Of course Atheism is the fastest growing segment of the religious cast.

      January 1, 2011 at 9:27 am |
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