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January 2nd, 2011
10:33 PM ET

From skinheads to Orthodox Jews

A rabbi explains how he guided a couple of Jew-hating skinheads into peace-seeking Orthodox Jews.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Judaism • Poland

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  1. Gary

    Reality you nailed it as always. great posts great answers.

    January 3, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
  2. Muneef

    It's obvious that it is about recruitment of mercenaries for a mass war expected in the name of religion and that might not be in the form of official Armies but could be in the form of ghost warriors as did AlQda...! The Israeli army had faced difficulties with their secular armies being lacking faith to fight for so they are now recruiting but as religious faith warriors...!
    We know that skinheads are top racists and normally had a lot of hatred stored for Jews as they point out in their wall writings seen in England and else where but surprised to see them leap from resistance to followers? But from mercenaries we can expect any thing....Surely if were paid more by the opponents they would fight against their first employer...!?

    January 3, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Muneef,

      You posted this about Brotherhood…why cannot you apply it here to this story? Avoid su-spi-cion…do not de-spi-se….

      Muneef
      Al-Hujraat sura 49:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers: And fear Allah that ye may receive Mercy. (10) O ye who believe! let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor de-fame nor be sa-rca-stic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wi-cke-dness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not de-si-st are (Indeed) doing wrong. (11) O ye who believe! avoid su-spi-cion as much (as possible): for su-spi-cion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would ab-hor it...but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (12) O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may de-spi-se each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (13).
      January 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm

      January 3, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Reality

      Once again we come to save Muneef and the other 1.5 billion lost Muslims from their Three B Syndrome, i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Islam but this time reducing the Five Step Program for Deprogramming Islam to One Step in order to by-pass most of the language barrier:

      Gabriel never existed!!!!!! No Gabriel, no communiques from heaven and therefore Islam has no foundation!!!

      January 3, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • Muneef

      CatolicMom.
      Yes you are right and have beated me with my own verses and that does not upset me on the contrary am happy for you because you became to understand us and able to remind as was reminding...thank you so much and wish you all the success to read and understand even if aganostic to the words of verses but at least it will help you to think twice and judge and decide for your self where the straith path is....
      Any way hope I am wrong about the subject of this blog but it is either that those found faith or really have a plot only God knows and time would tell although I am at the side of God religions and wish all would come to a word between them as the following verses says;
      Al-E-Imran Sura 03
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (64).

      January 3, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Muneef

      Islam has no foundation!!!
      Haha . Reality you as a whole have no foundation to stand on with your claims...you know what I need to do? Is to send that Jewish women to you house but this time for you...haha.
      I am sure only since that day you got a shock that has effected you ever since to hate all religions..and they say to cure a shock effects you have to be shocked again...Shocking Reality you are...

      January 4, 2011 at 7:24 am |
    • Reality

      One more time for all Christians (including Mormons) and Muslims:

      It is called the Great Angel Con:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Apparently hallu-cinations did not stop with Joe Smith.

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm
      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."
      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      January 4, 2011 at 1:09 pm |
    • Muneef

      CatholicMom.
      Told you some thing is cooking otherwise we knew that Jews do not preach their faith to non Jews nor accept any converts but rather prefer to bring Jews of different faiths than converting non Jews such as the African Falasha Jews...! But here see this myth is no longer applicable and are converting or inviting new non religious to join becoming faithful Jews?!

      http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/israel-preparing-for-large-scale-war-2011-01-02-1.337050

      January 5, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  3. CatholicMom

    This is a story of love winning out over hate. Sin can have a terrible hold on people but if they just get a glimmer of Light, of hope, they can decide to overcome their life style and seek one more befitting themselves. God bless those that will humble themselves and acknowledge a need within themselves, then take action towards renewal for the sake of the world.

    January 3, 2011 at 9:03 am |
  4. Apostle Eric vonAnderseck

    Adamites (humans) are capable to embrace any philosophy that they feel will advance their cause for resolve, but God yoked sinners with this derision so looking to Him will find true peace through His covenant in Jesus Christ. ALL the bandages of this world wear off in time as a new generation emerges to discover itself and express its own uniqueness. But they will use the same method and fall short of the glory of God. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
    Seek God and keep His covenant commandments and escape the wrath to come. http://apostlestoday.net/

    January 3, 2011 at 6:16 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2010: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary.

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      January 3, 2011 at 8:02 am |
  5. doctore0

    So they left one gang for another bigger and worse gang

    January 3, 2011 at 4:08 am |
    • pete

      worse gang? you must be a white person.

      January 4, 2011 at 11:06 am |
  6. Reality

    Ooops, make that "Guidance not only for skinheads but also for orthodox Jews".

    January 2, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
  7. Reality

    Guideance not only for skinheads but also for orthodox Jews:

    origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    "New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument. "

    January 2, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • Concerned citizen

      Reality you are stating anything but. Sorry archeology doesn't provide proof and absolute certainty, especially about ancients not buried with a lot of jewels and crowns. That Avraham was a shepherd probably means that he wasn't buried with a lot of fancy clothes and burial goods. He did exist, maybe not exactly as portrayed but there is always a kernel of truth even in the most fantastic of myths and legends. Besides archeology is only part of the story. He is buried in Hebron, as are Yaacov, Itzhak, Sara, Rachel, Rebekkah. That is why Hebron BELONGS TO JEWS OF ISRAEL AND NOT THE HERETIC ARAB MUSLIMS! They will pay for desecrating our Patriarchs!

      January 4, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
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