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 File photo from October 21, 2003 shows Pope John Paul II saluting the crowd as he arrives for an ordination ceremony.
January 5th, 2011
02:58 PM ET
John Paul II could move toward sainthood this year, report saysBy Richard Allen Greene and Hada Messia, CNN The late Pope John Paul II could take a big step toward sainthood as early as this year, a longtime Vatican journalist reports. He could be beatified in a service led by Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican by the end of 2011 - an event that would be certain to draw hundreds of thousands of faithful. Medical and theological experts have credited John Paul II with the healing of a nun whose order prayed to him after he died in 2005. Sister Marie-Simon-Pierre says she was cured of Parkinson's disease. A team of cardinals and bishops will examine the reputed miracle this month and pass their verdict to the pope. If Benedict XVI confirms that it was a miracle, John Paul will be eligible to be beatified, the last step before sainthood. Journalist Andrea Tornielli, who has covered the Vatican for many years, first reported the news Tuesday. The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, and the Vatican office studying the case for John Paul's sainthood both refused to comment on the matter when questioned by CNN Wednesday. But if the miracle is confirmed by the Catholic Church, John Paul II could be beatified as soon as April 2, the sixth anniversary of his death, Tornielli said. That would be very fast in Vatican terms. Other possible dates are May 18, John Paul's birthday, or October 16, the anniversary of the date he was elected pope in 1978, Tornielli said, suggesting the last date is most likely, to give the church time to prepare what will be an enormous event, even by the Vatican's standards.
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and the lemmings run rampant all over themselves to determine exaclty how this is related to their cult and the god it worhips.
yea.....some old geezer spewed some idle crap out of his mouth and all of a sudden....MIRACLE....your parkinsons disease is gone....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......
OUCH...!!! my stomach is hurting from so much laughing!!!
use your brains people.......oh my bad......YOU'RE LEMMINGS....you have to think and do as the other lemming next to you does....
"use your brains people.......oh my bad......YOU'RE LEMMINGS....you have to think and do as the other lemming next to you does....
Use your own brain, maddawg. But use it correctly. Thinking is a discipline. Emotion driven thought is worthless, and your emotion has obviously eclipsed your reason. Don't call people names until you have resolved your own confusions.
Santo Subito John Paul II ...love you!
Beatification is an expensive proposition!
Saints Anthony Maria Zaccaria and Peter Fourier were canonized in 1913 for a total cost of $42,816.87. Adjusted for inflation, that comes out to $946,309.05 USD !
Catholic logic has always been a bit confusing for me.
It is a monotheistic religion, and yet they worship a triune God, pray to (or through, if you want to get nitpicky) over 10,000 saints and have established an elaborate caste system for heaven's many denizens.
God is like the King of Lilliput I guess – you can only speak to him if His flappers wiggle His ear with a bladder on a stick.
Doc Vestibule,
Approximately 15 posts back I made a comment about people and money to ‘Something’, and thought I would not have to endure another mention before the end of reading through all the posts. Very wrong!
Here's a guy who did absolutely NOTHING while his priests, cardinals and bishops molested children and/or criminally covered it up. He's no saint, period, just another molestation enabler.
He is no saint and never will be! Many young men and boys were abused under his watch and he just stood by!
When I was kid I prayed for a wart to disappear and it did a few days later. I guess I'm a saint. I am Saint Richard, healer of nasty warts.
The adopted qualifications of the Catholic Church for sainthood. A sign or event verses the Record of Christ. REVELATION 13:14 “the means of those MIRACLES which he had power to perform...” joined to this verse, MATTHEW 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL works? Emerges a point of discernment. http://apostlestoday.net/
From Wikipedia:
"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]
Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]
Matt 7: 22-23
As per many contemporary NT experts, this passage was not uttered by the historical Jesus but was yet another embellishment to raise the simple, preacher man aka Jesus to deity status.
e.g. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=165_Depart_from_Me
My mickey mantle baseball card had a reriously bumped corner. So I. placed it next to a picture of the pope and went to sleep. When I woke up my card was now mint and the pope was downgraded to fair with a bumped corner. If that isnt a frggin miracle, I dont know what is? I say fast forward to sainthood. Go pope.
lame...
All those who are true followers of Christ are considered SAINTS. If the Catholic Church read the bible they would realize this.
Catholic read the Bible. In fact, the oldest extant Bible in the world is the Codex Vaticanus, as it's name implies, is kept at the Vatican. I'd venture to guess that your Bible however is a few books short and a shoddy mistranslation based on the KJV?
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Jon,
Saints are what we are all CALLED to be. We are Children of God, but we are not saints without Christ in us; become Baptized… become a member of Christ’s Body and you are living in Him and Him in you… which enables you to do good….why can you now do good whereas before Baptism your good works were as straw? Because now you have Christ working through you…it is not you who does good works but Christ working through you. You now have a share in Jesus Christ’s priesthood!! You are now expected to do the will of the Father for it is Christ working through you!
Why do you think Jesus Christ commanded the Apostles to go out and teach what He had told them and to Baptize all nations? Why didn’t He say to get busy and write the Bible? Because He promised them the Paraclete to bring them into remembrance of what He told them which is called Tradition. The Church, founded by Jesus Christ, lived on Tradition and the Magesterium for nearly 400 years before the Church gathered the inspired Books of the Bible or us. Having the Bible only reinforced holding fast to the Tradition…1 Cor 11:2. We hold fast to all that Christ has given us…
Remember satan believed in Jesus but refused to do the Father’s will….is he saved?
Does anyone know many people with missing limbs have experienced a miracle and grown them back over night???
Can you ONLY imagine?! If you want to become a "saint", just get elected by a group of men at the Vatican who vote you in to become "Pope", as they do, then reign as Chief Executive of the Church for a certain amount of time and as sure as fire you will be made a saint! Never mind the fact that no man on Earth can make a saint because that is strictly under God's jurisdiction. So, we just have to wonder how many truly valid cases of saints there really are, given the fact that mere mortals declare their friends to be saints instead of God.
And consider that if miracles indeed occur, it is not the "beatified" who caused that miracle. It is God! God is the One and Only One who can deliver such a miracle unto mankind, not a deceased human being who Catholics pray to, as indicated by their Church. Therefore, undue credit is being given to one who is deceased who in and out of themselves cannot bring about a cure to a mysterious dis-ease or condition yet continue to be credited by the Catholic Church for doing so. Isn't that just to be put in the "Believe It or Not!" When will people understand that these kinds of acts are quite contrary to God's teachings. That being, the First and Second Commandments respectively "I Am The Lord Thy God." and "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." What part of these two Commandments from God does the Pope not understand? He cannot make a saint. Only God can. And to Pray for a healing or two to a deceased person who is beatified is the quintessence of mocking the power of God. Therefore, if this be the order of the day, it is just as fair for any governmental body, anywhere, that cares to, to bestow sainthood on any human being, as surely that is just as valid as the people at the Vatican who claim they can do this. Oh, the hypocrisy of it all! Be assured that God is not amused!
Sainthood - with a capital 'S' is simply an elevation of a deceased member of the club to a special supernatural status. One must be a member to receive this honor; and it is meaningful only to other members of the club.
I suppose that the members get some inspiration from the idea and don't mind if their donated money goes to these expensive vetting campaigns.
Something,
If I went back and counted all the posts that referred to money, donations, collection baskets, etc. etc. etc., I have to say that it appears that $$$$ is God to many people on these belief blog comment pages.
CatholicMom,
If your ethereal sensibilities are so offended by the mention of money, the Church should have none of it either.
When old men decide who gets to be a saint as if God had anything to do with it. What a joke.
i thought he let pedifiles preists off the hook
Well i was raised Catholic and consider myself a Christian though I wonder how many churches would agree with me lol.
Saints to me are people that have lives that hold some lessons for us, good lessons. they are never holy people and frequently sinful, but something about them is worth modeling in our lives.
Not sure how people in the church started praying to Saints...I don't agree with that. Looks too much like a human corporation then....ask one of the higher ups to put in a good word for you with the big guy.
As for miracles, they exist everyday in everything. every breath you take is a miracle. people have lost sight of this completely.
kevin,
Do you still consider yourself Catholic? Why would you think a Saint is not holy? We are all called to be Saints…that is…to be holy. Nothing unclean, that is, unholy, will enter Heaven so we strive to be perfect as our Father in Heaven is Perfect!
You need to study up on the Communion of Saints…all members of Christ’s Body. We are one big family made up of those Baptized into the Body of Christ and are to pray to God through Jesus Christ our Mediator for the good of each other, that we persevere to the end in doing the Father’s will all for the glory of God; members of the Body of Christ are not cut off from praying for us just because they are in Heaven! This comes to us through Tradition that we are told to hold fast to. [1 Cor 11:2]
YOU are a miracle!
How many child rapists does one need to protect before being called a Saint, I wonder
This Pope allowed people to be molested and abused. calling him a saint is like giving the grammy to milli vanilli.
He need three miracles for to be appointed a saint. Two of his 3 miracles attributed to him were card tricks. Do they count??? Johnny Paul did nothing to protect innocent kids from pedophiles. The Catholic church needs to get a dose of reality. The recently got a small dose when the diocese in Milwaukee filed for bankruptcy due to the pedophilia related law suits.
Oh, let's see, one miracle makes you "beatified" but it takes 2 miracles to make you a saint. This insane, psychotic miracle merit-badge system is why I left the Catholic church years ago. Oh, and Pope, the earth is round, not flat, and the earth rotates around the sun. Miracles? Try science, reason and fact, people.
@Not All Docs
As far as religions go, the modern Catholic Church is actually pretty rational when it comes to modern science.
There are vatican astronomers these days who readily admit the true age of the universe.
It took them 360 years, but in 1993, the Pope admitted that maybe Copernicus had a valid point.
Rearding the Big Bang Theory, JP II said "…it would seem that present-day science, with one sweep back across the centuries, has succeeded in bearing witness to the august instant of the primordial Fiat Lux [Let there be Light], when along with matter, there burst forth from nothing a sea of light and radiation, and the elements split and churned and formed into millions of galaxies."
So the modern Catholic church actually accepts the Big Bang as proof of the accuracy of the Bible!
Pope JP II also publicly changed the Catholic stance regarding evolution when he said "Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."
As for the whole mircale thing – in another 500 years maybe they'll come around to rationality and admit that "miracle" and "super-natural" are null words.
One man's magic is another man's engineering, after all.
Doc Vestibule,
As always you have a cunning way of making a reader think that what you write is absolute Truth when you mix in conjecture with personal extrapolations; but if one reads carefully they will find all the ‘it would seem’, and the ‘maybe’, mixed in with the ‘recognition of theory’ which means recognizing that something is not FACT.
It is a continually thing we have to watch out for in life with people who like to twist and distort, who take someone’s words and try to change their meaning…quite sinful when done intentionally.
Yes, you are one ‘word engineering’ fabricator…..
@CatholicMom
It seems to me that the liar (I must admit, I did get a chuckle from "‘word engineering’ fabricator") here is JPII! He's the one that used "waffly" words, intended I believe to make people think the rcc is progressive and now agrees with science while at the same time keeping the sheep in line.
HotAirAce,
People tend to want to read into statements to make them more in line with their own thinking; doesn’t it seem that way to you?
Catholics know that Truth does not change and so if someone distorts the Truth to convey two opposing views with just little twists and distortions ….and people have at it…and pick the one they like……then in doing that one has to realize it was his choice to take ‘that’ on someone’s word. There is a need in many cases to do some research for one’s own satisfaction and clarification.
I have not found Pope John Paul II’s words to be double-talk or talking out of both sides of his mouth; such methods of talking would achieve nothing to promote Truth; he had no time for untruth.
However it appears it doesn’t take much distortion coupled with a distaste for religion for people to fall for untruth; some even seem eager to hear it and to spread it! Why is that, do you suppose, HotAirAce?
@CatholicMom
One person's/group's truth is another's untruth. I believe Doc Vestibule speaks the truth, you do not. I perceive Doc V (and others) as trying to correct 2000+ years of "untruth", you do not.
In any communications system, the "transmitter" has primary responsibility for transmitting a clear message. If JPII, or any pope-a-dope or even your god, wants their message to be crystal clear and not able to be twisted, then it is up to them to word it such that there can be no other interpretations than what they intended. Yes, I know, it's all crystal clear to *you*, but I don't think you can say that for all. In other words, this is your religion's and god's problem, not ours.
@Catholic Mom
I am not attacking the Vatican with the above quotations. I was actually attempting to show that the Vatican can be more open minded than other Christian denominations.
I did make an error, however. It was Pius XII who made the statement regarding teh Big Bang Theory. The rest of the quote, which confirms my statement that the Pope used it as proof of God as teh Creator of the Universe is as follows:
"Thus, with that concreteness which is characteristic of physical proofs, [science] has confirmed the contingency of the universe and also the well-founded deduction as to the epoch when the world came forth from the hands of the Creator. Hence, creation took place. We say: therefore, there is a Creator. Therefore, God exists!"
Those are not my words and I am not taking them out of context.
Doc Vestibule
I am sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying; my comprehension can be off, I know.
It's a "miracle" he was never caught redhanded with his hand in a 9-year-old cookie jar, since he protected and allowed to flourish what may have been thousands of pedophiles during his reign.