Discovery, Catholic Church behind exorcism series
"The Exorcist Files" will recreate stories of real-life hauntings based on cases investigated by the Catholic Church.
January 6th, 2011
10:55 AM ET

Discovery, Catholic Church behind exorcism series

By James Hibberd, EW.com

(EW.com) - Discovery Channel is teaming with the Vatican for an unprecedented new series hunting the deadliest catch of all: Demons.

"The Exorcist Files" will recreate stories of real-life hauntings and demonic possession, based on cases investigated by the Catholic Church. The project includes access into the Vatican's case files, as well as interviews with the organization's top exorcists - religious experts who are rarely seen on television.

"The Vatican is an extraordinarily hard place to get access to, but we explained we're not going to try to tell people what to think," says Discovery president and GM Clark Bunting.

Bunting says the investigators believe a demon can inhabit an inanimate object (like a home) or a person. The network executive says he was initially skeptical when first meeting the team but was won over after more than three hours of talks.

Read the full story here about the new exorcism series here.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Devil • Vatican

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  1. infinitum

    Trolling trolling. David Johnson, you're a cave troll.

    January 25, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  2. Time is Precious

    What is Islam in few lines is something everyone deserves to know, it is to believe and obey only one God. Every time humanity deviated from this path, God sent down His of prophets (Noah, Ibrahim, Mosses Jesus and Mohammed were among thousands) who carried this single message to the whole humanity (And they all had the highest moral standards). That is the message of Islam.

    God speaks to the whole humanity through His book Quran..

    “Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent.The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. Quran [67.2]

    Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Quran [5:46]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to clear your misconception by going to whyIslam org website.

    January 20, 2011 at 8:32 pm |
  3. Muneef

    Al-Baqara sura 02:
    Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths. But He will take you to task for that which your hearts have garnered. Allah is Forgiving, Clement. (225).

    Al-Maeda sura 05:
    Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three days' fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths. Thus Allah expoundeth unto you His revelations in order that ye may give thanks. (89).

    January 9, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
  4. Amalia Sheran Sharm

    I feel ashamed for both the Discovery Channel and Catholics.

    January 8, 2011 at 2:42 am |
  5. TheRationale

    Honestly, demons? The human intellect knows no depth to which it cannot sink when it is under the stupidity ether of religion.

    January 7, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
  6. Reality

    Te-ena-ge pre-gna-ncy was normal in previous cen-tu-ries.

    Perhaps the most fam-ous teen-age pre-gnancy in history was Mary, Mother of Jesus. She is gen-erally believed to have been 13 years old when she gave birth to Jesus.[95] Other sources place her age as high as 15 years.

    Hilde-gard of Vin-z-go-uw, the wife of Cha-rle-ma-gne was about 14 years old when she gave birth to her first son in 772 CE.

    The mot-her of Henry VII of England was 13 years old when she gave birth to him in 1457.

    January 7, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
    • Muneef

      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      The Reality! (1) What is the Reality? (2) Ah, what will convey unto thee what the reality is! (3) (The tribes of) Thamud and A'ad disbelieved in the judgment to come. (4) As for Thamud, they were destroyed by the lightning. (5) And as for A'ad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind, (6) Which He imposed on them for seven long nights and eight long days so that thou mightest have seen men lying overthrown, as they were hollow trunks of palm-trees. (7) Canst thou (O Muhammad) see any remnant of them? (8) And Pharaoh and those before him, and the communities that were destroyed, brought error, (9) And they disobeyed the messenger of their Lord, therefor did He grip them with a tightening grip. (10) Lo! when the waters rose, We carried you upon the ship (11) That We might make it a memorial for you, and that remembering ears (that heard the story) might remember. (12) And when the trumpet shall sound one blast (13) And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash, (14) Then, on that day will the Event befall. (15) And the heaven will split asunder, for that day it will be frail. (16) And the angels will be on the sides thereof, and eight will uphold the Throne of thy Lord that day, above them. (17) On that day ye will be exposed; not a secret of you will be hidden. (18) Then, as for him who is given his record in his right hand, he will say: Take, read my book! (19) Surely I knew that I should have to meet my reckoning. (20) Then he will be in blissful state (21) In a high Garden (22) Whereof the clusters are in easy reach. (23) (And it will be said unto those therein): Eat and drink at ease for that which ye sent on before you in past days. (24) But as for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say: Oh, would that I had not been given my book (25) And knew not what my reckoning is! (26) Oh, would that it had been death! (27) My wealth hath not availed me, (28) My power hath gone from me. (29) (It will be said): Take him and fetter him (30) And then expose him to hell-fire (31) And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. (32) Lo! He used not to believe in Allah the Tremendous, (33) And urged not on the feeding of the wretched. (34) Therefor hath he no lover here this day, (35) Nor any food save filth (36) Which none but sinners eat. (37) But nay! I swear by all that ye see (38) And all that ye see not (39) That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger. (40) It is not poet's speech – little is it that ye believe! (41) Nor diviner's speech – little is it that ye remember! (42) It is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds. (43) And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, (44) We assuredly had taken him by the right hand (45) And then severed his life-artery, (46) And not one of you could have held Us off from him. (47) And lo! it is a warrant unto those who ward off (evil). (48) And lo! We know that some among you will deny (it). (49) And lo! it is indeed an anguish for the disbelievers. (50) And lo! it is absolute truth. (51) So glorify the name of thy Tremendous Lord. (52).

      January 7, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Reality

      Muslims demonize themselves via the history of Islam as seen in their founder, an illiterate, hallucinating, warmongering, greedy and lust-filled, long-dead Arab. As long as the Worst Book Ever Written aka koran is the operating manual of Islam, Muslims of any stripe cannot be trusted. And this ladies and gentlemen is why Islam will crash someday in a whirlwind of common sense and rational thinking but first the Five Steps to Deprogram Islam must be promulgated in the Islamic world which at the moment is difficult because of imams and their assassin and terror go-ons who terrorize thinking Muslims and non-Muslims with bombings, stabbings, beheadings and stonings all in the name of allah.

      If you have a Muslim friend/neighbor, please print out a copy of the Five Steps and give it to them.

      January 9, 2011 at 8:16 am |
    • Muneef

      Al-Mumenoon sura 23:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Blissful are the believers- (1) Those who in their prayer are lowly. (2) And those who from everything vain turn away. (3) And those who for the sake of purification are doers. (4) And those who of their private Parts are guards. (5) Save in regard to their spouses and those whom their right hands own: so they are not blameworthy- (6) And Whosoever seeketh beyond that, then it is these who are the trans-gr-es-sors (7) And those who of their trusts and covenant are keepers. (8) And those who of their prayers are observant. (9) These! they are the inheritors. (10) Who shall inherit Paradise; therein they shall be abiders. (11).

      January 9, 2011 at 6:50 pm |
    • Muneef

      It is the soul that we have to purify whether being religious or not religious to live in a code of understanding as the only judge is God and no human is to judge another although might try to guide but not hart..it is fine to claim being a non believer when it is harder being religious ! What you have in your heart that you will judged for and not what you said ! So what I say what ever you are on just do good and purify soul from human greed sand impurities.  

      Yusuf sura 12:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      I do not exculpate myself. Lo! the (human) soul enjoineth unto evil, save that whereon my Lord hath mercy. Lo! my Lord is Forgiving, Merciful. (53).

      An-Naziat sura 79:
      But when the great disaster cometh, (34) The day when man will call to mind his (whole) endeavour, (35) And hell will stand forth visible to him who seeth, (36) Then, as for him who rebelled (37) And chose the life of the world, (38) Lo! hell will be his home. (39) But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust, (40) Lo! the Garden will be his home. (41).

      Al-Fajr sura 89:
      But ah! thou soul at peace! (27) Return unto thy Lord, content in His good pleasure! (28) Enter thou among My bondmen! (29) Enter thou My Garden! (30).

      January 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
  7. Your Average Atheist

    I just heard on National Geographic Channel (Jesus: The Man) that Mary gave birth to Jesus was she was about 14 years old. Does this make god a child molester ? I think it does.

    January 7, 2011 at 10:02 am |
    • Your Average Atheist

      This would also explain the molestations by priests. They are doing as their heavenly father did.

      January 7, 2011 at 10:03 am |
    • David Johnson

      As much as I would like to agree with you, we need to remember the times that Mary existed in. People didn't live much past their mid 30s. Women (girls) married at an early age.


      January 8, 2011 at 8:18 am |
    • infinitum

      Cave troll.

      January 25, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
  8. Muneef

    Islam"Submission" is perfect but Muslims and Believers are Not Perfect.

    Al-Hujraat sura 49:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    O ye who believe! let not some men among you laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor let some women laugh at others: it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): nor def-ame nor be sar-cas-tic to each other, nor call each other by (off-ensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wic-ked-ness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not des-ist are (Indeed) doing wrong. (11) O ye who believe! avoid sus-pic-ion as much (as possible): for sus-pic-ion in some cases is a sin: and s-py not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the fl-esh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (12).

    Al-Kafiroon sura 109:
    Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6).

    January 7, 2011 at 4:02 am |
    • Reality

      Spouting koranic verses cannot bring Islam out of the dark ages. Deleting from the koran all dictates of male Muslim domination of the world and domination of all females will. Until then no male Muslim can be trusted!!!!

      To wit:

      Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      When will people realize that just as there are good doctors and quacks, good cops and rogue cops, there can also be good religions and bad religions?" Secrets of the koran by D. Richardson

      January 7, 2011 at 8:36 am |
    • Muneef

      Al-Hijr sura15:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Alif Lam Ra. These are the Ayat of Revelation― of a Qur'an that makes things clear. (1) Again and again will those who disbelieve wish that they had bowed (to Allah's Will) in Islam. (2) Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (3) Never did We destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. (4) Neither can a people anticipate its Term, nor delay it. (5) They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! Truly thou art mad (or possessed)! (6) "Why bringest thou not angels to us if it be that thou hast the Truth?" (7) We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold! no respite would they have! (8) We have, without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (9) We did send messengers before thee amongst the religious sects of old: (10) But never came an messenger to them but they mocked him. (11) Even so do We let it creep into the hearts of the sinners― (12) That they should not believe in the (Message); but the ways of the ancients have passed away. (13).

      January 7, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Muneef

      Al-Baqara sura 02:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And remember Abraham and Isma`il raised the foundations of the House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! accept (this service) from us; for thou art the All-Hearing the All-Knowing. (127) "Our Lord! Make of us Muslims bowing to Thy (Will) and of our progeny a people Muslim bowing to Thy (Will) and show us our places for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning Most-Merciful. (128) "Our Lord! send amongst them a Messenger of their own who shall re-he-ar-se Thy Signs to them and instruct them in Scripture and Wisdom, and purify them; for Thou art the Ex-alt-ed in Might the Wise." (129) And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: and he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous. (130) Behold! His Lord said to him: "Submit (thy will to Me)" He said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the universe." (131) And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons and so did Jacob; "O my sons! Allah hath chosen the faith for you; then die not except in the state of submission (to Allah)." (132).

      January 7, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    • Muneef

      Yunus sura 10:
      Moses said: "O my People! if ye do (really) believe in Allah, then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His)." (84) They said: "In Allah do we put our trust. Our Lord! make us not a trial for those who practise opp-res-sion; (85).

      Al-Naml sura 27:
      "It is from Solomon, and is (as follows): `In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: (30) " `Be ye not ar-rog-ant against me, but come to me in submission (to the true Religion.)' " (31).

      Al-Qasas sura 28:
      Now have We caused the word to reach them themselves, in order that they may receive admonition. (51) Those to whom We sent the Book before this― they― do believe in this (Revelation); (52) And when it is recited to them, they say: "We believe therein for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will) from before this." (53) Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them. (54) And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ign-or-ant." (55) It is true thou wilt not be able to guide everyone whom thou lovest: but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance. (56).

      January 7, 2011 at 11:22 am |
    • Muneef

      As you see all Prophets and Messengers of God were relaying the message of God "Islam" The State of "Submission" which was named by Abraham PBUH verse 78.which means calling Islam things you are calling therefore the Three Abrahamic Religions...!

      Al-Hajj sura 22
      Allah chooses Messengers from angels and from men: for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things). (75) He knows what is before them and what is behind them: and to Allah go back all questions (for decision). (76) O ye who believe! Bow down, pro-str-ate yourselves, and adore your Lord; and do good; that ye may prosper. (77) And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under di-scip-line): He has chosen you and has im-pos-ed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Pro-tec-tor- the- Best to pro-te-ct and the Best to help! (78).

      January 7, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • Reality

      Muslims should burn their copies of the koran for the 1400 year old con job that is pulled on them daily by the imams and ayatollahs. Christians should burn their copies of the NT for the 2000 year old con job that has been perpetuated on them by popes, bishops, priests, ministers and evangelicals. And Jews should burn their copies of the OT/Torah for the 6000 year old con job pulled on them by their past and current rabbis. And all replaced by three powerful words, Do No Harm!!!

      January 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  9. Gary

    @ Muneef Gary the God of Gods and his follower alla forgive you sir. ......Hey David,Peace,hot air great posts!

    January 6, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
  10. Frogist

    @Muneef: ooh I love a good ghost story! Your mention of public toilets reminds me of the Ja-panese ghost story about a girl who haunts a toilet. If you go into a public bathroom, don't go into the third stall. Because if you are in there alone, you will hear someone come in and knock on the first stall, then the second stall, then your stall. Then you will hear the door open and close. If you look around to see if there is anyone there and see nobody, that means she is in the stall with you. And she drags you down into the toilet and drowns you!
    Unfortunately I tried looking this up but I only found Hanako which is a slightly different story. Maybe got mine from a movie...

    January 6, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Muneef

      The tolites are the dirtiest spot in any house or public places... Where their is that dirt you find all evil what ever you callingvjinn or spirits or ghosts all ends up to do the same with out being seen...it is the place where before you enter you say prayers before you enter otherwise you will not be alone and even if untouched you will be watched and maybe possessed...good and bye for now to all thanks.

      January 6, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sorry for the mess I was not wearing eyeglasses...

      January 6, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • Muneef

      Sorry for the mess I was not wearing my eyeglasses to see what mess I made...

      January 6, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • civiloutside

      Those invisible things waiting in toilets to invade your body are bacteria, not evil spirits.

      January 7, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Frogist

      @civiloutside: Or Larry Craig!

      January 7, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • civiloutside

      Lol... Some diseases just take a "wide stance."

      January 7, 2011 at 11:03 am |
  11. Muneef

    Well it is true that some people seek sorcerers to implement Jinn that are satanic demons into mankind or his house or his business to finish him or make his life miserable or to stop flow of his business income... In such case it is either you are religious enough and say your prayers often then it becomes hard for this to harm you or otherwise you need to find some one who practice exorcism to remove this evil... But many are just pretending to be good at it and help you not but squeeze money out of you with tales and stories...
    There is another type of possessions and that is not through a sorcerer but directly by coincidence what man is at his weakest moments and those weakest moments for a possessions are when you come through a great fear or when cry or laugh loudly in hysteria,or during a certain moment of mating...or even when sneezing loudly...
    That's why there are prayers to be said on daily basis to guard you from such things and specially if passing haunted places such as deserted houses but most evil ones are residents of public toilets and market places...
    Some of them even would claim that you have made a wrong action by which you have killed a dear one to them and for that they have possessed you and that is mostly night time such as throwing a cigaret butt to a dark place or stepping killing an insect or even an animal at night which could have been one of them or possessed by one of them...
    So this is true thing happening to many who suffer unexplainable illnesses or sufferings which could look like mental illness that comes and goes as pleased...

    January 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Is this the same Muneef that apparently refuses to clarify his comments about selling 9 or 10 year old girls in the "New app..." article?

      January 6, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
    • Muneef

      Think I did clarify already but you have not seen or maybe you had another question but then i might have not seen?!
      Any way did say poverty of people in many third world area's has compeled the needy to sell their children as for adoption if very young and too many of them at house.. And some of them would send their daughters for marriage between that age to elder men just to be able to support the rest of the family with the marriage money... Maybe you being in America living fully covered from A to Z know nothing about how poorer countries live and think all are as happy as you are?!

      January 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Thanks for the reply, but you did not answer the follow on questions (in the other article, where we shuold probably take this...) such as:

      Is this a practice you agree with, as in it is OK with you or do you see it as a problem? and

      Is this a practice supported by islamic beliefs and teachings, or have these families committed a sin or transgression of islamic beliefs?

      To be clear, you explained why this happens (although I dispute your comments about females becoming "ripe" – "But understand that females at hotter areas become ripe at earlier age and if body was built well enough and had her monthly period coming early age than she is ready minimum 9 years old..."), but I'm more interested in whether or not it is accepted legally, morally or according to islam.

      January 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Muneef

      Well I remember seeing a discussion held by BBC Arabic about the subject and attended by Islamic scholars who I repeated their words that if the female is physically well built and already has the monthly period coming to her and she is accepting the marriage at that age then it is OK for her but the upsetting thing is that the men are very old otherwise no problem with it nor religiously or legally ..
      But as I informed you earlier this practice is not happening in the cities where girls and their families prefer to have their girls carry on with their education..but it does happens mostly in rural area areas or at very poor communities where girls have no education but just work at their homes or farm fields or when families are poor and needed the marriage money to support the rest of kids they have.. Some of those elderly just marry not for the joy but for a helping hand in the house if they are all alone as a servant since religiously single men are not allowed to have female maids work or live in their houses unless they are married to each other..

      January 6, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
    • HotAirAce


      Why is the location of the "sale" (cities vs rural) or education of the girl relavent to the accpetance of this practice?

      If that what you say is true (islamic scholars say this practice is acceptable) and based on this one practice alone, I would condemn islam as a very barbaric and evil religion, neccesary of immediate reform.

      January 6, 2011 at 5:13 pm |
    • Reality

      There is no Gabriel now or ever!! And there are no jinn now or ever!! Islam was invented by Mohammed using these mythical creatures to keep the uneducated under his control. Time for Muslims to break these dark age, koranic-driven shackles and join the modern world!!!

      January 6, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Muneef

      It is against law and religion if the young girl 9year old and above is if found the physical and mentel age unfit for the marrige, or found that girls were forced into marriage against their will but when girls were asked the always said they had to sacrifice on behalf of the family specially if the old groom is wealthy and needed someone to take care of him and keep him company and satisfy his needs although not much left but still has needs !?  
      Such many found cases the girls were forced convinced into marriage at younger age by their parents or family members if orphans and when girls were asked why the answer was always poverty and starvation were the common enemy for many nations and populations !?
      But the inner of me feels that it is more honorable than forcing them to trade or sell their honor without holy or legal bonds such as for filling night clubs nationally or overseas ?!
      Maybe you should watch films made or read about the term name of  "Lolita" or search for it in google or in dictionaries !? At that you will find it started at the age of 5 years !?

      Or maybe all that about the Teen 2X and can't imagine the number of maniacs in societies enjoy watching those or through Internet or even at holiest spots of society !? What you would find would surprise you and compel you to forget our problems and look upon your side closer which is contagious and becoming to invade my society from your HollyWood in some series and movies ?!
      We were told that Religion is about making Easiness and Not Hardness to Mankind the Human being. Humanity is heading down the drain by losing the good examples of moralty and wisdom which were inherited and passed on from generation to generation by chosen ones to tell their only message of "Submission" to God the Creator and the good teachings within the holy books and take of it what ever leads to guidance and peace with our selves,family,neighbors,friends and so on.. if the inner of of us started with that we will find out that we were not the only ones needing to change but no Change if we do not started within our own inner selves first "souls" because it is only our souls ride us like untrained wild horses and only with faith and religion we are to train it for total control of the wild horse that lives within us all male or female !? Hope am not misunderstood by any way,Peace and Respects to you all and thanks for being asked...

      January 6, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Allow me to summarize your position and that of islam:

      – it's OK if the girl is older than 9 and likely to be able to conceive (with apologies for perhaps being offensive: "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed")
      – it's OK if the girl says it's OK (and what are the chances an indoctrinated child is going to say No!?)
      – it's OK because other societies (used *very* losely!) do similar things to 5 year olds
      – it's OK because other societies do similar things to older girls
      – it's OK because non-islamic societies are imposing their morals on islam
      – it's OK because the "union" is blessed

      or simply, it's OK because we (islam) say it is, regardless of what the rest of society thinks, and knows about the development of children!

      If this is truly islam's position, islam and all it's believers are disgusting, to say the very least.

      January 6, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • Muneef


      I fail to understand what is your problem? If I recall well you were even attacking Prophet and Messenger of God Moses for marrying a female at the age of 9 years which has lead to discussion and now you blame Islam for not standing against culture and nature that extended for generations?? What's your problem? Any thing like that you have faced that makes you sore ignoring all sins at yours and attacking Islam for regulating some thing that is hard to stop?? Sorry to see I was writing my thoughts to a nutcase!?

      January 6, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • HotAirAce


      I do not believe that I ever spoke/written about your prophet, certainly not in relation to his alledgedly (see, I don't even know if it's true) marrying a minor.

      My "problem" is that a so-called mainstream religion accepts the selling of 9 to 10 year old girls!! You call it regulation, I call it horrific, indefensible and child abuse! Again, *if* what you say is true, you, islam and any adherent have no credible claim to being a modern religion.

      January 6, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
    • Muneef

      Go back to "New App...." Article you mentioned up there and read what you wrote there and what I wrote back...
      Any way my Prophet and Messenger of God is Muhammed PBUH and not Moses PBUH but Muslims respect all Prophets and Messengers of God equally. Otherwise if you inssist I would go back and paste it for you here to remind you since you say you do not seem to remember..? I had to tell all Moses story in order to explain and still your hard nut did not get it but feel happier at just attacking religions and beliefs with out even having a second deep thought of situation before you go on harting others with joy..? Well let me tell you that all corruption,destruction and decline of morals is not caused by religious ones but in the contrary it was and still is caused by disbelievers who have nothing to stand on except standing against all good morals brought by religions....well Mr. Go enjoy your infidelity with your kind and leave out religious ones from your hopelessness...

      January 6, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • Muneef

      Well seems it was Bob who said that and I explained but you were not satisfied and you then ask me to accept or not as if my decision would make a difference any way read and you will find out what I said here all: 

      > The sons of Israel never listened to their Prophet and Messenger of God
      Maybe that's because he took a 9 year old wife and had slaves. That sort of thing tarnishes a man's reputation you know...
      December 31, 2010 at 8:08 am | Report abuse |

      Don't know how old she was that Musa married to at... But understand that females at hotter areas become ripe at earlier age and if body was built well enough and had her monthly period coming early age than she is ready minimum 9 years old...
      There are still in some small cities, villages and remote areas families are having their daughters marrying at such age to men that could reach upto 80 years old...! But most the time is when poor families cannot support and in need of Money to support the rest of family members...it is pity but upon need should not we be surprised to see families selling their children or shipping them to the west for adaptation...?! The father of Moses wife was a prophet of God named in Arabic as Shouib and was old man and had only two daughters to herd the goats but needed a honest and strong man to hire for many years and the only hire wage he was able to give him was his doughtier as wife towards his time period work which reached more than 10 years...! Will follow this with the sura about it

      December 31, 2010 at 12:48 pm | Report abuse |

      Al-Qasas sura 28:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      And there came a man, running, from the furthest end of the City. He said: "O Moses! the Chiefs are taking counsel together about thee, to slay thee: so get thee away for I do give thee sincere advice." (20) He therefore got away therefrom, looking about, in a state of fear. He prayed: "O my Lord! save me from people given to wrongdoing." (21) Then when he turned his face towards (the land of) Madyan, he said: "I do hope that my Lord will show me the smooth and straight Path." (22) And when he arrived at the watering (place) in Madyan, he found there a group of men watering (their flocks) and besides them he found two women who were keeping back (their flocks). He said: "What is the matter with you?" They said: "We cannot water (our flocks), until the shepherds take back (their flocks): and our father is a very old man." (23) So he watered (their flocks) for them; then he turned back to the shade, and said: "O my Lord! Truly am I in (desperate) need of any good that thou dost send me!"… (24) Afterwards one of the (damsels) came (back) to him, walking bashfully. She said: "My father invites thee that he may reward thee for having watered (our flocks) for us." So when he came to him and narrated the story he said: "Fear thou not: (well) hast thou escaped from unjust people." (25) Said one of the (damsels): "O my (dear) father! Engage him on wages: truly the best of men for thee to employ is the (man) who is strong and trusty"… (26) He said: "I intended to wed one of these my daughters to thee on condition that thou serve me for eight years; but if thou complete ten years, it will be (grace) from thee. But I intend not to place thee under a difficulty: thou wilt find me, indeed, if Allah wills one of the righteous." (27) He said: "Be that (the agreement) between me and thee: whichever of the two terms I fulfil, let there be no injustice to me. Be Allah a witness to what we say." (28).
      December 31, 2010 at 12:52 pm | Report abuse |

      AlQasas means "the stories" telling the true stories of the prophets that is pure from Israelites that corrupted the truth about the prophets and messengers of God to look unholy.. Have given a link above where you can read the story of each prophet and messenger of God... Think only when you read that then only you will have the respect we hold for all of them equally PBUThem all.
      December 31, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |

      Muneef, are you really saying that it is ok for girls as young as 9 or 10 to be sold? If yes, and this is generally accepted by Islam and not just your demented view, then you have given me, and others I suspect/hope, a very clear and good reason to move from "Islam is just another tribal mythology- let it be?" to "Islam is sick!", just as christianity is sick because of its tolerance of child abuse.
      December 31, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Report abuse |
      I'm eagerly anticipating your answer to my question about 9 and 10 year old girls. Please enlighten me.
      January 1, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Report abuse |
      Given your silence here, and participation in other threads, I can only assume that you are choosing not to deny your apparent assertion that it's ok to sell 9 or 10 year old girls. I truly hope that I am wrong – please advise.
      January 3, 2011 at 12:15 am | Report abuse |

      January 6, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Muneef


      Let me add I have not seen your 3 posts asking me about how I feel about it before now when I copied and posted those above and If I had seen before I would have answered you with out any hesitation but did not because I moved to other blogs...
      And to satisfy you interest my saying I do not like it as a cultural habit but if religion failed to stop it and had to regulate it then what can I do about it...people can still lie and give you an elder age and how can you tell if 9-10or more at villages there are no birth certificate issued nor villagers interested to obtain it...what can you tell from their teeth like sheep??
      Well I am not interested to know or discuss some things when it is considered as a Halal way for a decent marriage but rather stand up against the not halal activities as 2x trade white slavery that you are hiding or leaving out but attacking religion blindly....

      January 6, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • Reality

      There is no Gabriel now or ever!! And there are no jinn now or ever!! Islam was invented by Mohammed using these mythical creatures to keep the uneducated under his control. Time for Muslims to incluce Muneef to break these dark age, koranic-driven shackles and join the modern world!!!

      January 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • Reality

      Islam’s Koran and Fe-male Ge-ni-tal M-u-til-ation (just another part of Islam's dark-age mentality)

      "Islam’s widespread practice of am-pu-t-ating the cl-ito-ris and sometimes part or even all of the v-ul-va from the ge-n-ita-lia of Muslim women, af-firmed in a ha-d-ith by Mohammed himself, most likely also traces back to the founder’s del-ib-e-rate ab-use of se-x to lu-re pa-gan males into his cu-lt. The more the male s-ex drive is pu-rpo-sefully ar–o-used, the more the female se-x urge may have to be prop-or-tio-nately su-p-pre-ssed, lest o-rg-ia-stic hell begin to spread.
      Co-nsider then what fre-quently happens when even a mo-des-tly cl-othed young Western woman walks alone in br-oa-d da-ylight down a street in, for example, a non-West-ernized area of a city in Pa-kistan. Muslim men around her can see her face, h-air and ne-ck—maybe even her an-kles. Some of them per-ceive that much exp-os-ure as intent on her part to ar-ou-se them. The fact that she is not acc-ompanied by a male relative confirms their su-sp-icions. Knowing that she, a Western woman, has not been sub-jected to that cr-uel am-p-u-tation which Islam forces upon millions of Muslim women, some males may even imagine that she must feel s-e-xual de-sire for them.
      They tend also to pe-rcei-ve themselves as not re-sp-onsible to ex-ercise de-cent social re-str-aint. Rather she is re-spon-sible not to te-mpt them! Whatever le-wd thing Muslim men around her say, do or feel as a re-sult is reg-arded as her fault alone. . . .

      During a major uphe-aval in Ind-onesia in the late 1990s, s-ex-cra-zed Muslim men ga-ng-ra-p-ed dozens of Chinese women in shops, homes and even in the streets, shouting in Arabic, “All-a-hu A-kbar!” (God is great!)"

      January 6, 2011 at 11:45 pm |
    • Reality

      More evidence of the "dark age" Islam:

      From- Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".

      "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

      ref: Washington Post book review.

      four excerpts:
      "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

      "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, des-picable to the human race."

      "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

      "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

      January 6, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • HotAirAce


      You continue to attempt to deflect the conversation away from islamic practices. I know nothing abover white slavery so am hiding nothing. I am solely reacting to what *you* wrote.

      Thanks for the response – I remain disgusted with islam.

      January 7, 2011 at 12:21 am |
    • Muneef

      Suit your self although agree with you and Reality that the Islam practiced by majority is not perfect as it should which made Islam look guilty for it when it is not..

      January 7, 2011 at 2:46 am |
  12. HotAirAce

    While we can and should continue to mature, I strongly suggest that those who continue to believe in imaginary beings and tribal myths based on books of magic/silliness written by desert dwellers hundreds of years ago have the furthest journey. Yes, us atheists could be more polite, but believers need to take that big step past childish beliefs and/or practice their silliness in private (as in stop pushing their beliefs into politics and government). Once that is done, the door is truly open to a more harmonious society. In my opinion, of course.

    January 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Let Us Prey

      @ HAA

      So, it's the old "agree with me and I'll stop making fun of you" approach... I guess your lead off was right – "we can and should continue to mature."

      We can only hope.

      January 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Let Us Prey

      I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not, I just want them to do their believing private if all they is "happy talk." If you (not *you*) are going to say something controversial in a public, then you should expect someone to call you on it and/or present another view, espcecially is a place such as this blog, about religion.

      January 6, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
  13. Apostle Eric vonAnderseck

    Yes the activity is increasing and more so till the true millennium of Christ comes. REVELATION 16 :13 And I saw three UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Now these are world leaders and religious leaders here in revelation, not some one weeping in the local cemetery.

    January 6, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Apostle Eric vonAnderseck

      The book of Revelation was not meant to be a future (2000+ years) prediction. It was written in a time when the Christians were being heavily persecuted. The 666 is a reference to Nero Caesar.

      Do you really think the stars will fall to earth?
      Revelation 6:13 – And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

      The bronze age people believed the heavenly bodies were about the size as they appear in the sky. The sun and moon about the size of basketballs. The stars, very small. They had no idea, that the stars were actually "suns".

      If it starts raining stars, it is going to break a lot of windshields. It is good that I have free glass.

      Your beliefs are beyond pitiful. Beyond funny. Another word should be invented to describe how dumb believer's beliefs are.


      January 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • Frogist

      @Apostle Eric: "And I saw three UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon"
      Whoa! My coming was foretold!

      January 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Reality

      One more time–

      From Wikipedia:

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      January 6, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      The Lamb's Supper, by Scott Hahn, is a fascinating read demonstrating a relationship between the Book of Revelation and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

      January 7, 2011 at 8:09 am |
  14. Solomon D.

    @ Doc
    Wow see this is why people fight and argue, always some one trying to ridicule or put down something that is sacred to another person. In all honesty you need to grow up. Its truly sad and pathetic that your best bet at speaking your mind is by trying to speak what would be blasphemy in the christian/catholic faith. I really think you need some manners and some understanding on how to talk. There would be plenty of ppl where i live that wouldnt think twice before breaking your jaw. And then there you have why people fight over religion. Theres always some fool thats first to take it to that level and make a problem, then you people wonder why there are wars and propaganda. Because there are fools out there that make problems and issues. As corny as it sounds, if people learned to respect each other and mind their business we would have alot more peace.

    January 6, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • Frogist

      @Solomon D."your best bet at speaking your mind is by trying to speak what would be blasphemy in the christian/catholic faith". Why does it matter whether what anyone says is blasphemous to your religion or not? Your ideas of blasphemy are not universal and to expect everyone to adhere to your laws is arrogance. Also if someone decides to take any discussion to the level of breaking someone's jaw, the fault lies with the person who threw the punch, not the one being hit. Sure, Doc and DJ were being rambunctious. But your response betrays a thin skin. I agree with you about respecting people but, respecting your point of view does not mean agreeing with it.

      January 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Solomon D.

      HI Solomon...

      I think we can certainly agree that, if... at all possible, the more civility in anyone's discussions, the better(depending on the context and with whom, of course)... yes...?

      And with that said... I certainly agree with what -Frogist said, and I would just add that even in being 'kind' and 'respectful' discussing your 'beliefs' would not necessarily cause you or other believers to feel 'a whole lot of difference.' As I have had, and usually do have respectful conversations with believers, but sometimes the moment we 'challenge' or point out where there are some 'untruths' in their assertions or what you claim as fact, it seems to strike a nerve anyway.

      So, while i may not necessarily believe as you believe, we can certainly have 'mutual respectful' dialogue... yes...?

      I would just add that all of us here get our beliefs, opinions, facts, etc... challenged from time to time, and for those of us who are interested in others opinions... we realize we may learn something from. Hence, we are not close-minded and in need to 'defend' our beliefs. Does that make any kind of sense to you...?

      Anyways... good luck to you on this 'belief blog' as it can get very 'tense' from time to time in postings. So, hang in there...!


      January 6, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
  15. GSA

    These guys may just be trying to make a buck but it is very interesting nonetheless. I have seen some stuff that seems unexplainable (happens to all of us and is usually something stupid), some stuff that is unbelievable (easily explainable but seems improbable) and then there some stuff that I have seen that is just unreal. Cool story and anything that Discovery does is always interesting.

    January 6, 2011 at 11:41 am |
  16. Solomon D.

    Hey mr David Johnson, I think you should be a little more mature than saying something like that, if you dont believe in religion or anything atleast have some common courtesy. If you would like people to respect your views atleast have a little class when making your points. Its not a battle of whos right and whos wrong, its about what people believe and hold to be the honest truth. If you're going to be rude about something then you might as well be ready for that to come back to you, I wont but there will be many people that would ridicule and talk reckless towards your beliefs whatever that may be. One more thing I hope you have a experince through which you look at the world with a more deeper seeing glass, because if you think that this world is all just about living your mortal human life to about your mid 70's and then thats it well i just hope that darkness at the end of your life is worth living for / believing in and well hoping for. I know this may hit a nerve but i will pray for you whether you believe in God or not and just know there are things that go bump in the night and there is a force of evil just as there is a force of good out there. Take care

    January 6, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • David Johnson

      I could care less if you respects me. Your god is a joke.

      Love and Prayers!

      January 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • David Johnson

      The true father of Jesus may have been a Roman archer named Tiberius Abdes Pantera. A picture of his tombstone in Germany is in the book THE JESUS DYNASTY by James Tabor. The dates in which he lived would coincide in fathering Jesus combined with the fact he was stationed in Palestine.

      Also, Jewish critics of Jesus wrote in the Talmud his father was a Roman soldier named "Pantera."

      Back in the 1980s, Jane Schaberg wrote a scholarly book called THE ILLEGITIMACY OF JESUS which also touched on these controversial subjects.

      So, what do you think is more likely? A Roman soldier seduced a young Jewish girl or an all mighty creator of the universe got Him some?

      Love and Prayers!

      January 6, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
    • Bob

      @Solomon D.

      > Hey mr David Johnson, I think you should be a little more mature than saying something like that, if you dont believe in religion or anything atleast have some common courtesy.

      Ideas and concepts are not due respect. They are to be ridiculed, tested, evaluated, weighted. They're not there to be revered, worshipped or unquestioned. I'm sorry that you're offended by people calling your fairy tales stupid, but them's the breaks and facts.

      > If you would like people to respect your views atleast have a little class when making your points.

      People don't have to respect our views. They should critically look at the claims anyone makes. For example: "Is the claim that an omnipotent God made man out of dirt retarded or not?"

      > Its not a battle of whos right and whos wrong, its about what people believe and hold to be the honest truth.

      Belief doesn't lead you to the honest truth though. It deludes you. I'll show you how. There are many faiths that have different beliefs. For example, Islam claims Jesus didn't die. Therefore, Christians and Muslims cannot be right at the same time. Because both of their "truths" are based on belief, one is wrong. And if one can be wrong with the same level of evidence, then BOTH CAN BE WRONG. Caps for emphasis.

      > If you're going to be rude about something then you might as well be ready for that to come back to you, I wont but there will be many people that would ridicule and talk reckless towards your beliefs whatever that may be.

      Atheists don't have beliefs generally.

      > One more thing I hope you have a experince through which you look at the world with a more deeper seeing glass, because if you think that this world is all just about living your mortal human life to about your mid 70's and then thats it well i just hope that darkness at the end of your life is worth living for / believing in and well hoping for.

      We don't hope for darkness at the end. We accept this as what probably will happen, as sad as it is. I'll say this. People who are adults mentally accept concpets that may be unpleasant. Children run and construct things to avoid reality. I mean, what's more likely. That a God, to undo a rule he created, sends a man to be sacrificed as a blood atonment for all our sins, which he is directly responsible for so that we can all go and live in a cloud theme park. Or that our brains simply stop working and go to dust. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying that without reasonable evidence, you'd have to be a fool to believe it.

      > I know this may hit a nerve but i will pray for you whether you believe in God or not and just know there are things that go bump in the night and there is a force of evil just as there is a force of good out there. Take care

      Despite there being these things, they have yet to be captured on tape and/or proven. Your belief isn't a valid reason to believe in anything. Which I've shown you why above.

      I really hope that my responses really help you stop and examine what it is you believe. I have a challenge for you. I call you up and say "This is Bob, I'm calling on behalf of God. I require your credit card number as a test of your faith." Would you give it to me? Or would you hang up? Your faith isn't any different. You give money to people and you give your time for something that you've never seen, only been told about.

      Think about it.

      January 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      I accept your description of atheism.

      January 6, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  17. David Johnson

    The article said: "Bunting says the investigators believe a demon can inhabit an inanimate object (like a home) or a person. The network executive says he was initially skeptical when first meeting the team but was won over after more than three hours of talks."

    I would like to see someone like the Amazing Randy be given the task of debunking this drivel.

    I think this is just an attempt at taking peoples minds off of the latest scandals.

    There are no demons. Nothing is under your bed or in the closet.

    Another thing, I don't think Mary was a virgin! So there!


    January 6, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @David Johnson
      If the punishment for not bleeding on your wedding night was being stoned to death, wouldn't you say that it was God who broke your hymen?

      January 6, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Peace2All

      @Doc Vestibule



      January 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • David Johnson

      The Amazing Randy is my hero! There is no supernatural people!


      January 7, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • David Johnson

      The first one didn't work. Sorry. I will try once more. You really need to see this.



      January 7, 2011 at 11:10 am |
  18. Frogist

    I don't doubt this is fascinating stuff. I love Discovery Channel. I live for Mike Rowe and the Mythbusters. Hey I smell a crossover there!
    BTW are the Ghost Hunters the ones who look stoopid yelling at a supposed ghostly manifestation, "Is there anyone there?!" They're ghosts, not deaf! *face palm*

    January 6, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • ScottK

      These shows about ghosts filmed in nightvision are the most annoying things on cable, why does anyone watch them. Disco & Syfi chan's are regularly unwatchable due to bug eyed green morons with snot coming down their faces jumping at creaks in a house. Every building creaks due to the warming and cooling of building materials along with air movement and earth movement. These ghost shows are about as believable as a letter from a Nigerian diplomat asking you to help him transfer millions of dollars. If they dont actually show an exorcised demon in the new show its only going to add another segment of Discovery that is unwatchable.

      January 6, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • Frogist

      @ScottK: I agree with you about the ghost shows. They are inf-in-itely annoying. Every now and again, when there's nothing else on, my hubby and I put them on and laugh at the idj-its for about a minute then find something else to watch. About a minute is all I can stand of that stuff. I have a friend who loves those shows. For the life of me, I can't understand why. What I do like is Celebrity Ghost Stories. They have pretty well told ghost stories with the added voy-eu-rism of looking into a celebrity's life. None of it's probably true. But it's good and scary sometimes.
      BTW I don't think they will show an exorcised demon. We're out of luck with that. But having a look into what Catholics consider credible evidence of demons and all their exor-cism methods, might be worth the time.

      January 7, 2011 at 10:25 am |
  19. Reality

    Religion is not evil. Unfortunately, it has been taken over by profiteers using mystical communications with God/Allah/Abraham/Jesus/Smith et al to convince the "bowers" and "pew peasants" to monetarily support the profiteers' viewpoints. Take away the "prophets/prophecies/fortune tellers", the "pretty wingie talking thingies" aka angels, the "demons of the demented" aka satans, devils or jinn and basically what you have left are the Twelve Commandments (eight if you are an atheist), nothing more and nothing less. These rules were first formulated by the Egyptians, ancient Cynics and Babylonians using reasoning and common sense.

    January 6, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • 3kjc

      Evil is real- it does exist-but not unto itself. If one denies that- he is not experiencing the fullness of truth. Dark is the absence of light...and cold is the absence of heat according to the laws of physics. Evil is the absence of God- who is total- unconditional-LOVE.

      January 20, 2011 at 9:25 am |
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