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Alabama governor touches off controversy with Christian comments
January 18th, 2011
05:25 PM ET

Alabama governor touches off controversy with Christian comments

Alabama Republican Gov. Robert Bentley is kicking off his first term in office with a bit of controversy, telling a church audience Monday that he only considers Christians to be his "brothers and sisters."

"Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he told parishioners at a Baptist church in Montgomery Monday shortly after being sworn in. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."

"There may be some people here today who do not have living within them the Holy Spirit," Bentley also said, according to the Birmingham News. "But if you have been adopted in God's family like I have, and like you have if you're a Christian and if you're saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me brother and sister."

Read the full story here from CNN's Political Ticker.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Politics • United States

soundoff (241 Responses)
  1. Roger

    I am a Catholic and can tell you buddy what`s his does not consider me his brother

    January 18, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
  2. Mark From Middle River

    I like that the atheist are here. It has affirmed and strengthed my faith.

    I do not want to be a halmark channel Type of Christian who only surrounds myself with those people and media that believe as I do. I love touched by an angel but I like to mix in a bit of law and order.

    Plus I like showing a more approachable side of faith. Even to those within faith. If the atheist were kicked out of the belief blog this place would get extremely boring lightening fast.

    Lastly, if you move past the troll atheist and get to exchange with an athiest that is not just trying to upset and anger someone of Faith then you often find that folks can often find common grounds for understanding and tolerance.

    Remember, if your faith is strong enough then there is no real issue or fear of someone without faith.

    January 18, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
    • Eric G.

      As allways, very well said Mark. If only others would realize that civility breeds open dialog.

      January 18, 2011 at 10:52 pm |
  3. Mark From Middle River

    Wow folks.

    I don't know what to say. It depends on how you look on this. I have heard fellow African Americans declare that because I have conservative republican views I am not a "brother". I also remember what I think was the cspan coverage of a gay pride event and they also envolk the brothers and sisters in their views.

    I have even heard cancer survivors identify each other as brothers and sisters.

    The govenor was speaking at church so maybe a bit of slack should be awarded. I could see an uproar if it was a speach from the govenors office.

    Does holding office mean that you lose the ability to speech freely on issues.? Hillary Clinton give a pro-women section of one of her speeches where she is identifying with half of the country. Is that similar to this speech?

    Does being in public office mean that you must separate yourself from all other groups for fear that you are not representing the community or society as a whole?

    January 18, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
    • LdftRightLef

      Well you should have conservative republican views. After all, you are in the top 2% financiallly in the nation...aren't you?

      January 18, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
  4. Carol Rivermoon

    It's all about CONTEXT folks. The Gov said this in a Baptist church during a service. This is Baptist/Conservative Christian belief.
    As such and in that CONTEXT I dont have a problem with it. Now if he said it during a campaign speech, thats is quite different !
    I am a Pagan BTW, but was a Christian at one time. Pagans tend to believe we are all connected to each other and to Mother Earth and the Universe, and this is enough of a reason to be Kind to one another and to the Planet. In case any of you were wondering 😀

    January 18, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • LdftRightLef

      Pagan is good. Deist is good. Christians who profess they believe in the bible as the words of God, yet are not Jewish, are sad.

      January 18, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Carol Rivermoon

      I think we all get that the Gov. was speaking at a Baptist Church. So, we are not lacking in the 'context' of the situation.

      And... He went well beyond, stating a belief in God, but was making very 'exclusionary' statements.

      He talked about being 'color blind' as a governor for all races, but he certainly didn't come across as 'religion blind' ...did he...?

      I could be wrong here... but from reading the whole article, he sure didn't come across that way to me.

      Peace...

      January 19, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • claybigsby

      Carol, does the venue in which he berates people of other faiths really matter? Are you saying that if he was in the political arena his views would change? This type of BS is not what we need running our governments. We dont need conniving politicians playing both sides of the fence to win votes. Do you really want someone in an elected political office to discriminate against people of other faith no matter what venue?

      January 19, 2011 at 10:14 am |
  5. Enoch

    "If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."
    – Mark 8:38

    January 18, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
    • Eric G.

      Please provide verifiable evidence that your god exists. "Logial hint" Before you try to post another quote from your bible as evidence, please google "circular argument".

      January 18, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • Anglican

      Eric G. Give us verifiable evidence God does not exist. Why do you hang around a belief blog? Please google sad.

      January 18, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • Know What

      @Anglican,

      Misguided religious beliefs affect the lives of the non-religious.

      Also, nowhere in the t.itle of the blog does it say: 'supernatural belief only' blog... or 'Christian belief only' blog.

      January 18, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
    • Dr. No

      Anglican, had you paid attention in grammar school, you would know that you cannot prove the nonexistence of something which does not exist. Santa Claus, witches, gods, UFOs, unicorns and all those other things that do not exist cannot be proven so, and as a result, fools believe in them. They can be proven highly improbable, as your god has, but cannot be proven to not exist.

      Prove that Allah does not exist, or that he is not the true god – you cannot.

      And, of course, this blog often runs articles on atheism, so we of course belong as much as anyone here. But like the governor (and unlike Jesus), you do not love thy neighbor as thyself – unless he agrees with your ideologies.

      January 18, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Anglican

      The 'belief blog' is open to 'everyone' to state their *opinions.* And, to debate and discuss openly the topics and/or postings at hand. This is not the "For Christians Only Blog."

      If you want to just talk to Christians, or believers 'only,' then, you might want to consider going to 'OnlyChristianbelievers.com or something of that ilk.

      Peace...

      January 19, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • claybigsby

      @Dr NO.: you said"Santa Claus, witches, gods, UFOs, unicorns and all those other things that do not exist cannot be proven so, and as a result, fools believe in them. They can be proven highly improbable, as your god has, but cannot be proven to not exist."

      I really questions whether you really are a Dr. or just some guy who calls himself one. You really think that UFO's do not exist? Unidentified Flying Objects ARE real even if they are not from space. And even if you were talking about space aliens, the probability of other intelligent species elsewhere in the is much higher than what you probably think. Research "Drake's Equation". You will see that intelligent life elsewhere in this GALAXY can be proven as highly PROBABLE. But I shouldnt be telling you this since you are a dr. and are smarter than everyone here. LOL

      January 19, 2011 at 9:59 am |
    • Mike

      @Anglican

      We're trying to save your mortal brain from life-long delusions.

      January 19, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
  6. wwajdblogger

    I think American Jesus would approve the Governor's comments. Everyone knows that Jesus of the Bible encouraged political and government leaders of his day to give second class status to those who did not share their religious beliefs. The job of American Christian political leaders is to lead Christians, and to marginalize those Americans who are not Christians. So American Jesus would give a big "Amen" to Governor Bentley.

    http://www.whatwouldamericanjesusdo.com

    January 18, 2011 at 8:57 pm |
    • LizaB

      If I hadn't checked out the website you mentioned, I would believe you have a very dry sense of humor. Instead, I'm left shaking my head at the psychosis you present. Can you also see Alaska from your backyard?

      January 19, 2011 at 8:10 am |
  7. Anglican

    Christ taught us to love our neighbor, all our neighbors, heck, even atheist. Our brothers and sisters are all God's children, of every race, creed, and belief, including those who only believe in themselves.

    January 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • NL

      "He that committeth sin is of the devil ... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil." 1 John 3:8-10

      Sorry, most of us are not God's children because only 'born agains' are children of God, and then it's only the males who don't sin that can be called such. The governor thinks rather highly of his virtue, doesn't he?

      January 18, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Anglican

      ..."and heck, even Atheists." Really...?

      January 19, 2011 at 12:11 am |
  8. Muneef

    An-Nahl sura 16:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command) "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the people were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). (36) If thou art anxious for their guidance, yet Allah guideth not such as He leaves to stray, and there is none to help them. (37) They swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that Allah will not raise up those who die: Nay but it is a promise (binding) on Him in truth: but most among mankind realise it not. (38) (They must be raised up), in order that He may manifest to them the Truth of that wherein they differ, and that the rejecters of Truth may realize that they had indeed (surrendered to) Falsehood. (39) For to anything which We have willed, We but say the Word, "Be" and it is. (40) To those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, after suffering oppression― We will assuredly give a goodly home in this world: but truly the reward of the Hereafter will be greater if they only realize (this)! (41) (They are) those who persevere in patience, and put their trust on their Lord. (42).
     

    January 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
  9. GoodGrief

    RightTurnClyde, remember, fools in the world are brainwashed by haters of Jesus Christ using their egos against them? Yes, yes, yes ... tell a non-believer Jesus is propaganda and a liar and these fools believe what haters of Jesus want to them to believe. Tell them a lie and they call it truth. Non-believers can be had by stroking their ego. Gets them every time.

    Amen.

    By the way ... to all the non-believers. Jesus specifically told us to go humble in order to comprehend His word. It is written in the Bible.

    January 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Luke

      The bible also instructs people that slavery is condoned, women are property and to kill children. You down?

      January 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And the bible has been shown to be in error, inconsistent and written by man. It is a bad work of fiction and no more than one cult's book of tribal myths. If you believe the bible and Jesus myth, you arecseriously deluded and need assistance from a mental professional.

      Re: why atheists participate here:

      – to keep an eye on "the crazies" that want to turn the USA into a theocracy (and this article and comments are a good example of that)

      – to provide an alternative view to theism (if we save just one person, especially a child, from religion, it's worth it)

      -to correct wrong or stupid statements

      – amusement at the mental gymnastics believers will go through to make their complicated and inconsistent beliefs work

      – keep an eye on "the crazies" (believers cause me serious concern and this article is a perfect examole

      January 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • Larry

      Hitler was an atheist. Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't make you sane.

      January 18, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • ThorLover

      Atheists like Hitler and Stalin are fools. The Mohammedans and Christians are similarly deluded by their false prophets. The one true god is Thor. It is as painfully obvious as the nose on your face. Accept it folks.

      January 18, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • LdftRightLef

      To: Larry
      Hitler was a Roman Catholic.

      January 18, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Larry

      You Said: "Hitler was an atheist. Just because you don't believe in a god doesn't make you sane."

      And... just because you do believe in a god, doesn't make you sane, and... may in fact, mean you are insane.

      Peace...

      January 18, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • civiloutside

      I'll point out that most atheists don't hate Jesus. Most of us would even say he had some valid points about how people ought to treat one another. He was probably a pretty nice guy. We just don't believe he was the son of any god.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Luke

      Larry – Good to see that you've never done any of your own research on the topic of Hitler. Let's start in his book, Mein Kpmph. On the very first page, he pays homage to god. Ont he First Page! Let's move on to the Nazi uniform, which was adorned with crosses. The SS also wore gold rings (these rings were made of the gold teethof dead jews) that said, "God on our side." In any event, historians are in clear consensus that the religious beliefs are Hitler are not exactly known. However, he was crissened a Catholic and is yet to be excommunicated by the Church. In fact, none of the SS has been excommunicated from the Church. Gross. Moreover, if Hitler wasn't religious, that is besides the point. His army was largely Lutheran and other sectos of Christianity. The state of Germany at that time was religious so hence, the army that carried out his orders were religious. Care to comment?

      January 19, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • Steve the real one

      Luke,

      You are talking up the Old Testament which was NOT written to any Christian, as the Christian church was not established.

      January 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Luke

      Steve the real one

      So you are going to argue that the Old Testimate...I'm going to laugh as I write this...doesn't count? The same book that gave you the Sermon on the Mount...should be disregarded? You're a troll or a moron. I can't decide. To debate you takes close to zero mental-fuel.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Luke,

      1. I did not say it does not count! It is a learning tool I am saying it is not for us to live by! Have a great laugh my friend!
      2. The sermon on the Mount is in the NEW TESTAMENT!
      3. Not a moron nor a troll, so quick with the name calling and it matters not what you decide about me! I am more than comfortable in mine on skin with my faith. Name calling =Typical defense when all arguments are gone!

      you asked: The same book that gave you the Sermon on the Mount...should be disregarded?

      My response: You are not a Christian so why have YOU disregarded the book that give us the sermon on the Mount?

      January 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
  10. Muneef

    http://www.godresources.org/compare-jesus-muhammad/differences-jesus-muhammad.shtml

    January 18, 2011 at 8:24 pm |
  11. RightTurnClyde

    The same atheists who will castigate the governor will tell us (outright) they think we are a fool to be a Christian and that we OUGHT to stop being one. They tell me that is "foolishness" and that they do not like me. A black man will call another black man "brother" but will not call a non-black "brother." The same non-Christians will blame and degrade Sarah Palin for a two-word phrase that was never used before January 16th 2011 and accuse (BECAUSE she is Christian). The same people will denounce and degrade any form of prayer or Bible reading or a simple cross on a pendant and yet insist on rights to wear anti-Christian Burkas, Mazuza, Yamakas. They will protest anything Christian and then insist on respect Moslem, Hindu, Jewish, Wicca artifacts and rituals... well you cannot have it both ways. You cannot hate us and then expect brotherly relationships. You can hate us and you can express your hate (you will not be arrested). You can desecrate our faith and our practices. We'll forgive you, but you will not be brothers.

    January 18, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Rhys

      The wearing of a yarmulke is anti-christian? Since when? The burka is anti-christian?

      This rube of a governor doesn't understand his state or the good ol'USA. Hope his foot tastes good.

      January 18, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      You are permitted to wear your yamaka and your mezua (and nobody will challenge you)/ The Moslems can wear Burkas and roll prayer rugs out on a parking lot and pray and nobody will challenge them (the police will cordon off the area)/ We get arrested for reading a bible in a priivate home (and the arresting officer says it is because we are reading a bible). We could have a barbeque with 10 guests and that is OK, but no bible reading. (you need a permit). Your ACLU fought for that and won. We cannot put cross on a hill or a Christmas manger or sing a hymn or display a bible in public - we will be arrested and expelled from the place. People will become rowdy and contentiousness. Nobody will give you any trouble - you are special (and we are not). Moslems are special (and we are not). Gays and atheists are special and we are not. We know and we experience it. You may not even be aware of how intolerant you are. We are aware of it.

      January 19, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • Peace2All

      @RightTurnClyde

      Are you seriously playing the 'poor me card' here...? Us poor Christians are the 'victims' here...? Really...?

      Please, give it a rest on that one.

      Peace...

      January 19, 2011 at 3:54 am |
    • 35YearMetsFan

      @RightTurnClyde:

      Which "two word phrase" are you referring to? "Blood libel"? If you think that she made up that phrase on 1/16/2001, you have A LOT to learn. Google it and get back to us. Please. You'll learn something.

      January 19, 2011 at 7:08 am |
    • Don

      RightTurnClyde, why did you lie about being arrested in a private home for reading a bible (in the US, I presume?)? Why the lie? Lying is bearing false witness, which is against one of the 10 demandments. So why the lie?

      January 19, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • NL

      RightTurnClyde-
      Was it your private home? Were you being too loud for your neighbors? Were the passages being read offending people in the home, thus prompting the complaint? Don't you think that Christians sometimes tend to think that the simple rules don't apply to them when it comes to preaching the word and worshipping? Don't they 'make allowances' citing Jesus' outgoingness when it comes to the greater good that they see themselves doing?

      I remember there was a guy preaching from a street corner in the news a few years back who got a citation for exceeding the noise limit city ordinance. The same ordinance had been called into action when Christians complained about the noise levels of an outside, secular, concert, but they couldn't believe that the same law applied to them.

      Jews can wear yamakas and Christians can wear their crosses. Muslims can pray in public, but I've never witnessed them making much of a spectacle. When Christians gather to pray in public they tend to make a show of it unless the occasion is sombre, like a funeral, and even then some take the opportunity to condemn some group with their worship. Almost all of the opposition Christians see to their faith is reactionary to their condemnation of some group, or efforts to give their faith preferred status.

      January 19, 2011 at 11:42 am |
  12. GoodGrief

    Why are you non-believers blogging on a belief site since you have no belief in anything but your own big egos.

    January 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • Anglican

      I really think SOME, not all, atheist want something to believe in. Otherwise some are just mean and do not respect the beliefs of others.

      January 18, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • Luke

      We like debating you. Don't see the problem with a governor saying this? You do realize that not everyone in the country is Christian, right? As a leader of a secular nation, he takes an oath of office to uphold the state and federal const-itutions. Hence, he cannot discriminate against anyone based on religious affiliation. And the first thing he says is this? So a Muslim man or woman in Alabama is a lesser being in the governor's eyes? This man sets laws and policy for the state and claims that non-Christians are lesser humans? There was a time in this country when comments like this were grounds for removal from office due to his admitted inability to hold up his oath. Do you have anything to say on the topic?

      January 18, 2011 at 8:49 pm |
    • riverrunner

      some of us were once believers, came to our senses, and want you to come to your senses. its not easy though. most believers were brainwashed at a young age. do you deny this?

      January 18, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @GoodGrief

      I agree with all of what -Luke stated, and would add that the 'belief blog' is open to 'everyone' to state their *opinions.* And, to debate and discuss openly the topics and/or postings at hand. This is not the "For Christians Only Blog."

      If you want to just talk to Christians, or believers 'only,' then, you might want to consider going to 'OnlyChristianbelievers.com or something of that ilk.

      Peace...

      January 18, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Anglican

      I have seen countless postings from 'believers' discussing how they "Can't wait to watch all the non-believers burn in hell, while, they are being taken to heaven."

      Yes, there certainly can be very mean-spirited postings by non-believers and... believers.

      Peace...

      January 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • civiloutside

      I am continually struck by the irony of atheists being called egotistical for their lack of belief. Atheism kinda has strong implications that there's nothing all that special about humans in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't, for example, contain much in the way of complicated justification for how humans are the most favored beings in all of creation.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • David Johnson

      @Luke

      Very, very, very well said. I was going to comment on this until I read yours. Could not do better.

      Thank you!

      Cheers!

      January 19, 2011 at 8:24 am |
    • NL

      Anglican-
      "I really think SOME, not all, atheist want something to believe in. Otherwise some are just mean and do not respect the beliefs of others."

      Atheists do have something to believe in, it's called the truth, or at least the answers that have the most evidence to support them as being the truth, as being what's real. Anything that requires faith to believe in over better choices that have evidence to support them is completely unworthy and doesn't deserve nearly the same level of respect as rational, logical answers.

      January 19, 2011 at 10:21 am |
    • Steve the real one

      Luke,

      I too have no issue wit what he said. I'll will explain:
      1. He NEVER said he was not the governor of ALL Alabamians!
      2. He NEVER said he would not equally and fairly represent them!
      3. In order to be a brother or Sister one must have t share a father (or mother). In this case he is addressing Christians who share the Heavenly father!
      4. All others outside of that Christian connection are his (and my) neighbors but not brother and sister).
      5. We are commended to love our neighbors as our selves, which mean he wil not steal from them, he will represent them fairly. The ONLY difference is relationship! Nothing more, nothing less! Look at it from a secular view, if I was a judge, i would not and could not show favoritism to any of my siblings who mght apear before me! Why? becuase it is illegal , unfair, and unjust! That is all the governor was saying! Christians will not be favored! Yet the relationship is different!

      January 19, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • Luke

      Steve the real one

      Steve, I'm sorry to tell you this, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever read. It has no leagal bearing whatsoever and is merely your speculative opinion. It is a fact that the USA is secular and it is a fact that no official can favor in any way. In his speech, he blatently said he is brothers with one group, and not another. In any regard, it is an entirely aweful thing to say and only further divides this nation, rather than bringing it closer together in any manner.

      January 19, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Steve the real one

      Well Luke,

      You have every right feel that way. I stand on what I said. Question, you consider me to be your brother? I am a Christian and based upon your posts, your are not! Am I your brother?

      January 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      @Luke,

      You mentioned something about legal bearing. What was illegal about his speech? Where did the man state anything about favoring a group over another? Can I safely assume when Obama allowed unions to opt out of healthcare, you had heart burn with that as well? Was that not favoring one group over another? Again, I firmly stand on my earlier post! The Governor WILL NOT favor Christians over any group!
      1. it is illegal!
      2. You will be watching him like a hawk, as is your right!

      January 19, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      @ Luke,

      I'm betting your weren't "really sorry" to tell me my post was dumb! Correct??

      January 19, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • Luke

      Steve the real one

      1) No, I am sorry. I am sorry that your mind functions in such a warped way. I'm sorry because I had to be the one that told you.

      2) The legal bearings are interesting. This man gets the last word in s stay of execution within his borders. I wonder how he'll judge. Of course, there are countless examples of such potential legal cases that could arise. A man that clearly uses religion as a tool to wield power is a great example of how America has become too damn religious.

      3) You are not my brother. Gramatically speaking, we must share a common parent or two. We do not since I am an only child of my two parents. Scientifically and genetically speaking, we share DNA since all life arose from a common ancestor. All humans are essentially genetically identical. Moving down the chain, we share 98% the same DNA as a chimp and less so in gorillas. If we compare the DNA of mice and men, you'll see that we share 40% of the same DNA, hence why we test drugs on mice and also blend pharmaceuticals with mouse DNA (chimeric drugs). In science, we are linked, but by definition, we are not brothers.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      @luke

      You are not my brother. Gramatically speaking!
      -------–
      BINGO! Finally some break though! GRAMATICALLY SPEAKING, that was the same thing the governor was saying! If you are not in Christ, you are not his brother or sister (in the faith). The context is FAITH! !

      The Governor said: But if you have been adopted in God's family like I have, and like you have if you're a Christian and if you're saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me brother and sister."

      The context was FAITH! Why are you who are outside the faith so worked up over this? He said nothing about special favors THAT would be illegal!

      January 19, 2011 at 3:08 pm |
  13. NL

    Since they are all his brothers and sisters, if he ends up treating Christians any better than other citizen couldn't that be called 'nepotism?'

    January 18, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
  14. HeavenSent

    Amen to Governor Bentley insisting on living Jesus' Truth and nothing but the truth.

    Pay NO attention to the spiritually dead on this blog and elsewhere in the world that haven't a clue to what is a lie and what is truth.

    It takes courage to live His truth.

    Peace brother.

    January 18, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • NL

      Ah, but if Satan is cleaver enough to fool anyone, how does the good governor or yourself know that you aren't the ones who have been lied to?

      January 18, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • riverrunner

      check out the word 'delusional'. yeah its a big word for you but it fits perfectly.

      January 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @HeavenSent

      Are you nuts...? You just don't have any issue with the Governor of Alabama saying this...?

      Might it not be offensive, to anyone that is not Christian,... just for starters...? He says in the article that he is "color blind" in that he is a Governor for all the people regardless of color.

      But, I guess he is not ..."Religion Blind," as he obviously made that very clear. -HeavenSent, We are not a Christian theocracy here in the U.S., as much as apparently you would like it to be. We are supposed to have some semblance of separation of Government and Church/Mosque/Synagogue, etc...

      Peace...

      January 18, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
    • NL

      Peace2All-
      "Are you nuts...? You just don't have any issue with the Governor of Alabama saying this...?"

      I suspect that HeavenSent has no issue with the remarks because he includes himself amongst the governor's 'extended family.' Should he find himself living in Utah with a governor there saying something similar about having to be a Mormon, or some other state where the governor identifies himself only with Catholics,Jews, or some other faith, then perhaps he could see where we are all coming from. For right now, however, he's just too happy being amongst the 'chosen' to worry how the non-elect feels about this.

      January 19, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • CW

      @ HeavenSent,

      AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!! Thanks for the post...

      @ ALL OTHERS(NON BELIEVERS, SPIRITUALLY DEAD,...AND THE LIKE)....let me start the list

      humans with NO CLUE!!!!:
      @ Reality
      @ peace2all
      @ NL
      @ Doc....(the "G-a-'y lifestyle Champion")
      @ Bob
      @ All Atheists
      I wonder...when these folks take the dive into H-E-L-L if they will try to beg they're way out. Okay...here is the answer...you don't have to beg just repent and follow the one only true God while you still have the chance.

      I absolutely agree....pay no attention to those that have NO CLUE!!! There just sitting ducks...spr-'ewing their errored propaganda rants about something where they "pick" and choose what passages they want to TRY TO SAY "got-'cha on". In addition they want to rant about some scr-'ewed up published work or rant about something that is so absolutely non-sense. Please folks...lets remember there are somethings that are wrong that will always be wrong...namely G-A-Y lifestyle, anything contrary to God, and just plain non-belief.

      There is only one way....We are all sinners we have all broke one or many of the ten commandments. Its simple follow John 3:16. Repent....Accept Jesus into your heart...let God guide you. Live a life for God...turn your life over completely to him. That is the only test.

      January 19, 2011 at 10:27 am |
    • LJ

      Pay no attention to those that are spiritually dead. Wow this is coming from a Christian. How are you going to bring others to Christ with condescending remarks like that one.

      January 19, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • CW

      @ LJ,

      To answer your question....let me say it was directed to those that only God can change their minds...but at this time it seems that not one thing I say will....believe me..I've tried...others have tried...they don't want to listen...just rant..rant...rant afer propaganda rant. Obviously you haven't read all the Atheist and non-believer comments that be-little, poke fun, and try to discredit the word of God.

      You see even in Romans its speaks of how God will try as hard as he can to get people to repent and change and accept and follow him...BUT...if they will not that eventually he writes them off.

      With the above if there is a chance for you...I'll say this...open your heart...mind...and read the word of God...then make the choice to follow the one true God.

      January 19, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • LJ

      @CW
      Just because they are ranting doesn’t justify you doing the same. Christ is about love and if more Christian actually followed those teachings than this would be a better world.

      January 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Know What

      HeavenSent,

      You rant about 'propaganda'... don't you see that it's precisely what you are doing. Quoting, ad nauseum, your book of myth, legend and superst!tion, and spouting cliches and catch-phrases to beat the band.

      Here's something from another book - the dictionary - about 'propaganda':

      3. - the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

      4. - Roman Catholic Church
      a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
      b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.

      Paul of Tarsus was a very successful propagandist.

      I have not seen many (if any) original thoughts come from you. And you seem to be a very prolific 'ranter'.

      January 19, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
    • Know What

      Sorry, that should have been addressed to CW (but it wouldn't be so bad if HeavenSent read it too).

      January 19, 2011 at 1:41 pm |
    • CW

      @ know what,

      You know the only difference between our so called rants is that I can back mine up with the Bible. Your rants can be only backed by some errorred thinking of yours or some other propaganda rant that someone else's errored self wrote. Bottome line is this....you have no proof of anything your spre-'wing. I don't have to have proof...my faith...the way I live my life is the proof. In the end you'll get your proof...just hope you have a "sudden" change...just like the apostle Paul did...you know the De-'mascus road experience don't you?

      @ LJ,

      So what your saying I'm supposed to be this light hearted...its okay to try to discredit the Bible type of person and just be this kind hearted.."its okay to be-'little and poke fun"....as I recall our Lord Jesus went into the Temple and thru out all the people that had turned the fathers house into a market rather than leave it as a place of worship. Your right we are all to love all people and pray for everyone..as I do...BUT...I don't have to agree with everything that everyone says...if my defending my FAITH is looked upon as that I attacking you....I DON'T appologize. I don't attack anyone...just point out the facts....that's all.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @CW
      The only difference between your biblically backed rants and those posted by others is that they can back theirs up with research, scientific analysis, historical docu.ments, and myriad other coroborating sources.
      You have a single book, endlessly translated, revised and edited and have convinced yourself that seeking answers anywhere else is a one way trip to eternal torment.
      The double-think required to rationalize literal biblical interpretation in the face of irrefutable, tangible facts never ceases to amaze me.
      Young Earth Creationsists have gone the way of Flat Earthers and terrancentric astronomers. Those movements died kicking and screaming in the face of incontrovertible evidence, but die out they did!

      I'm going to try an experiment.
      I will make a simple statement of fact and am waiting on tenterhooks for your response.

      Humans cannot live to be 900 years old.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • Know What

      CW,

      "...I can back mine up with the Bible."

      So what? The Bible is a compilation of some authentic historical facts from the Middle East, but mainly is a work of myth, legend, fantasy and superst!tion of those ancient Middle Eastern people, along with some morality tales, which may be helpful for civilized human behavior. It is not the words of any god.

      If I believed in Horus, I could back it up with Pyramid texts ca. the 25th Century BC.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • LJ

      @CW
      True spirituality, is about a spirit of humility and service, it will cause people to listen to you because they want to, not because they have to. Genuine humility and spirituality is attractive. People want to be with others who set an example of how they believe humanity should live. If you are not a true spiritual person then you cannot motivate people to listen to you. You are serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord rewards only the good you do. Does the tone in your posts on this forum do this I don’t believe it does.

      January 19, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • CW

      @ Doc,

      Thanks for proving my point...let me use one of your rants...you say:

      "The only difference between your biblically backed rants and those posted by others is that they can back theirs up with research, scientific analysis, historical docu.ments, and myriad other coroborating sources".

      I say this...I can prove to you through the ha-'nd is quic-'ker than the eye that I can make a qua-'rter disappear...but that doesn't prove its right...correct? You can put your faith in Man...as errored as he is...I will put my Faith in God...Period.

      You also say:

      "You have a single book, endlessly translated, revised and edited and have convinced yourself that seeking answers anywhere else is a one way trip to eternal torment."

      to this I say...yes your right the Bible has the answers....God used man to write it...yes it was translated....but just like your so called research can be interpreted any way you want...you have to establish a relationship with God in order to know God's ways....then trust him to guide you....read the word..meditate on it daily. Once again...just because errored man said that it doesn't exist doesn't mean it is so....there is no proof.

      To address your second question:...Love this one.

      you say: "I'm going to try an experiment.
      I will make a simple statement of fact and am waiting on tenterhooks for your response.

      Humans cannot live to be 900 years old."

      I say: in the beginning God created Adam....he created him in a perfect way...no hurts, no wars, no anything. Also he created Eve in the same way...perfect in every way. When the fall of man occured...Adam sinned his eyes were opened...evil entered this world. As gen-'erations came and went...the life expectancy also went down...as you can see in the bible as you read in Genesis...everyone...starts to d-'ie before they reach there 1000th birthday. The reason I believe our bodies were not perfect anymore...as when Adam was created.

      So in a perfect world where all are created perfect....in all ways..no dis-'eases and such...why couldn't be that one could live that long?

      @ Know What,

      Like your response...that's what I though...you can only back yours with whatever errored research of the week is is out their or whatever is the most popular theory out there right now...you have no proof..just speculation as all non-'believers have...I myself don't need to see the actual cross that Jesus hung off of...I don't need any....I have Faith...and that is all you need.....just what I though you would say...crick-'ets.

      January 19, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • Reality

      CW,

      For those who do not want to peruse a rather short synopsis of the Resurrection Con, a shorter version:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your (Pauline, PJ et al's) faith."

      "Heaven is a Spirit state" as per JPII and Aquinas i.e. there can be no bodies. i.e. there was and never will be any physical resurrection/ascension of human bodies."

      And is it not ironical that JPII along with Aquinas are the ones who put meaning to the words "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is useless"

      January 19, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Lj

      @Doc

      I think a person's belief in a God starts with if you believe your consciousness is truly a soul or not. For those that believe they do have a soul then creation testifies to God’s existence everything in nature is so definitely planned and has such a purposeful design that it shows intelligent planning. It has taken the best minds of great scientists to discover only a few of the laws of nature. The scientific laws are not made by accident. Look at the intelligent planning that exists about earth…. The sun’s distance from the earth is just right. The moon’s distance from the earth is just right. The earth is tilted on its axis just right. The mixture of gases is just right. The relationship between plants and animals is just right. Its that intelligent planning of the very thing that gives us all life that a spiritual person uses to believe in the existence of God.

      January 19, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • CW

      @ Reality,

      You say:.....Blah blah blah blah ba-blah blah blah....propaganda rant propaganda rant....some errored spre-'weage....

      @ Lj,

      Same as above...for reality.

      January 19, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • LJ

      @CW

      You are coming off so angry maybe it's time for you to see how this has crept into your mind and heart. Seek Christs love and find peace.

      January 19, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
    • NL

      CW-
      Oh, we're just 'picking' the bible passages that you 'choose' to ignore. You present the passages that support what you believe and we present the ones that don't. They all come from the same bible, so they're all part of the same 'truth' that you say you believe in. Why ignore the passages we cite? Can they be called an 'inconvenient truth'?

      January 19, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    • Smite Me

      @CW "You say:...Blah blah blah blah ba-blah blah blah....propaganda rant propaganda rant..some errored spre-'weage.. @CW

      Thar she blows.... 🙂

      January 19, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @LJ
      Thank you for the polite, well reasoned response.
      Debating the existence of an immortal soul would probably get us nowhere, but I would like to offer a relevant quote to address the idea of an anthropocentric earth.
      "Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."
      – Douglas Adams

      CW and I are so diametrically opposed in our views that we get antagonistic.
      Rest assured, I am in the process of researching another round of the 900 year old people argument.... it's just hard to find census data that corresponds with the genesis timeline of a 6000 year old earth.
      The Babylonian society of Hamourabi kept such information, but it is difficult to track down the specifics if one isn't an anthropologist.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @LJ
      Thank you for the polite, well reasoned response
      Debating the existence of an immortal soul would probably get us nowhere, but I would like to offer a relevant quote to address the idea of an anthropocentric earth:
      "Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."
      – Douglas Adams

      CW and I are so diametrically opposed in our views that we get antagonistic.
      Rest assured, I am in the process of researching another round of the 900 year old people argument.... it's just hard to find census data that corresponds with the genesis timeline of a 6000 year old earth.
      The Babylonian society of Hamourabi kept such information, but it is difficult to track down the specifics if one isn't an anthropologist.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:59 pm |
    • CW

      @ Lj,

      First off my appologies to you if I have offended you.....I'm not appologizing though for correcting any non-believers, atheist, quote on quote "champions of G-A-Y rights", false teachings, those that point to one or certain passages and take one passage instead of the Bible as a whole, and the like. You see your right God is Love...God is tender....but....in all the gospels he was extremely talka-'tive to the current pri-'est's and rab-'bi's of the day that spre-'wed incorrect Biblical or incorrect beliefs. What I'm saying is that he didn't just smile and say..."its okay to believe as you do"...without trying to correct them..and teaching them the correct truth. My responses that seem hostile are not toward any one person but to all people that try to discredit the word of God or try to plant their own false doctrine.

      Once again....I read some of your responses...which seem like you believe a bit...I encourage you to continue to learn so you can encourage others to seek a true relationship with God.

      January 20, 2011 at 8:37 am |
  15. Sir Craig

    “No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.” – George H.W. Bush

    Another shining example of why we need a continued wall between church and state.

    January 18, 2011 at 5:59 pm |
    • amlcpamaine

      ... and another reason that Bush and Cheney, when they pass, will find themselves in the wrong afterlife. The damage, killing and grief they've caused in their quest for their Christian-rich-man's view of the world should condemn them to eternal punishment.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:00 am |
    • Abby.

      And we all enjoy our freedom that others have fought and died for. We are still the greatest nation on the planet.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:30 am |
  16. PsiCop

    Just the kind of militant Christianism one would expect of a fervent Bible-belt (or is it Bobble Bay-elt) state like Alabama. BTW I'm not buying that he intended no offense. Of course he intended offense. That was his goal. He should just own up to it. The rest of Alabama's ardent Christianists will love him forever, if he were to do so.

    January 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
  17. Muneef

    A man of a live conscience is in the straight path of righteous and the straight path of righteous is the path of men of God who love and fear their God most in every decision or action or words been said and committed ....!!
    Man of God and God fearing is what is counted for a man to represent a mixed culture and beliefs nation for which he has to be aware of those cultures and beliefs of those other nations in order to be able to plant respects to become between those mixed cultures and beliefs as such gives the assurance of mutual understanding between the nation with other overseas nations or even with those within the country of mixed cultures and beliefs...!
    Some how it's felt that values,morals,virtues are not there in a secular world only faceless solid lifeless laws of men rather than what has been relayed by Holy books that calls for good deeds and reject bad deeds and to build a faithful societies,communities,nations since communications among nations or even among the nations of mixed cultures and beliefs... Laws or God and universe are to be prepared by some thing that is equivalent to UN but built on nations beliefs to achieve the code of understanding among nations but as can see now it is build on groundless bases if not of words of God to faiths...in addition to those non spiritual secular beliefs to make decisions of faith but at the moment the secular world make and take the decisions while the beliefs and faiths has to pay for it when it becomes a war between all faiths or religions outside your world ,it would become back into your inside among the mixed culture and beliefs of the nation or nations under one country flag...!
    Today's world man has become with no value other than his organs if sold or stolen....so what is happening only proves that we are imposing marketing the wrongs against the rights....cultures and beliefs are going down the drain with all those values, morals,virtues some how turning into commotion among cultures and beliefs turning against each other misunderstanding each other or unaware of cultures way of living and beliefs to ease communication mutual understanding as a nation of mankind and a nation of faiths. As i believe we should not bleach wash cultures and faiths in to one but am with keeping all cultures and faiths which make a colorful painting rather than one blank single colored...!?
    Wa Salam,Peace,Shalom...

    January 18, 2011 at 5:46 pm |
    • Reality

      More koranic-based drivel !!!

      January 18, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Muneef,

      Yes, your point is understood…to love your neighbor is easy if they are ‘like you in every way including faith but the real love of neighbor, a love like Jesus Christ wants us to have, is to be able to love the neighbor who does not look like you, think like you, or believe like you…that is what the world needs. How much more interesting to learn about all the cultures, languages, etc….as you say….a much more colorful painting indeed!

      January 19, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Muneef

      CatholicMom.
      I do not understand ? I was talking about all faiths that call for good virtue and morals no matter what faith it is, but of course it did not include those Satanic or Devil worshippers who's religion or faith calls to destroy and distruct and corrupt ?? Did you say Jesus told to love those who make life miserable??

      January 19, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    • Muneef

      CatholicMom.
      Sorry have missed the issue but now understood what you meant...

      January 19, 2011 at 9:58 pm |
  18. tallulah13

    Jeepers. This from the governor of Alabama? What a shocker.

    January 18, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • k

      I know right? The state where the KKK is still active as well.
      But-he did say it in a church setting..........

      January 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
  19. Muneef

    CONGRESS OF WORLD and TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS

    His Excellency Abdallah Bin Abdul Muhsin At-Turki, Secretary General of the World Muslim League  
    "Our appeal, clear-cut and strong in its arguments and realism, is welcomed by the nations that have gone through unsuccessful attempts to ensure peace, safety and stability, which ignored the diversity of cultures and civilisations traditional for previous generations in the human development".

    Bartholomew I, Patriarch of Constantinople Orthodox Church  
    "Let the high ideals for the sake of which we have worked in concord and love these days, become the strong reality in the name of world peace and happiness of peoples. Praying to God inspired".

    His Eminence Cardinal Josef Tomco, Head of the Delegation of the Holy See
    "I thank Almighty God for bringing us together in this country to reflect and pray for peace as men and women of peace... ".

    Jona Metsger, Leader of the Judaic Delegation, Chief Rabbi of Israel  
    "The love and patience, desire to live in the world, reigning around this negotiating table, will be embodied during a life".

    Jamyang Luosangjiumei Tudanquejinima, Deputy Chairman of the Buddhist Association of China  
    "Today's world is far from tranquil, as regional conflicts triggered by ethnical, religious and territorial factors keep cropping up, Religion advocates peace and justice. Religion has been made use of from time to time, just like the strings of a harp being plucked, to trigger and foment conflicts, separation, hatred and upheaval. This has aroused the common concern of the religious leaders across the globe".

    Well say few had words spoken from the heart and some shown less concern...
    Can see there are no more efforts seriously made since not sure if those represent all branches of each faith which means their should be a congress for each faith listing all their recognized branches..and the president of each congress is then the speaker of this world congress..

    Unfortunately I am not seeing any speaker for Pagans and who made partners with God..to say some thing about how life and respect should be?
    Sure will be happy to see a speaker for the Atheist congress after all it is faith to claim God and devil do not exist..?!

    It is those who should be making codes for culture and religions and faiths living together completing each other rather than against each other...God has allowed diversity of religions and faiths out of easiness for his creatures mankind to make choices and where he will punish or give to mankind judging his inner soul (heart&mind)...and not on which religion he was...!!? Submission can be achieved through all religions or faiths and not only to what God had said but as well to what is best for the communities as to morals,values,virtues and all of that stuff that make any nations as angels on earth...? A valuable words I heard during my childhood that ( Nations are not but Morals and their Morals Go they Go with it)...!? And noted the difference between then when there were Morals and our Present time when there are non left...!?
    Then only we will be able to greet each other as Wa Salam,Peace,Shalom... 

    http://www.religions-congress.org/content/view/167/lang,english/            

    January 18, 2011 at 5:40 pm |
    • Sir Craig

      And this rambling nonsense is relevant to the story HOW?

      January 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • Muneef

      We need God's laws and Morals is how it is related and that means getting together to make way for a better life based on beliefs and not disbleifs

      January 18, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • Trancicfly

      You've clearly never heard of Secular Humanism...

      January 19, 2011 at 7:58 am |
    • Reality

      Now for the real Islam:

      Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      January 19, 2011 at 9:06 am |
    • Timothy Bopp

      Reality, you are so right. Islam was promoted at the point of the sword. Its adherents know nothing of their history and want to know nothing. Like all extremist positions, they are terrified of criticism.. thus the contract put out on Rushdie's life. But Christianity borders on the absurd, too. Personally, I accept the principle of Redemption which means I accept Christ. None of the teachings of Islam and Christianity have any meaning, however. All of organized religion is a sham. Wake up, humanity.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • ScottK

      @Muneef – "We need God's laws and Morals is how it is related and that means getting together to make way for a better life based on beliefs" – Funny how every religious nut is so convinced that they worship the true God & have the right beliefs. And getting together? You mean getting the non-believers together... say, near a cliff, and making them choose between conversion or death. Sorry, but I think I'll have to miss that party.

      January 19, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • Muneef

      Thimoty Bopp.

      USA was found taken and united by the gun?? So is it any different from the sword ? ? Thing Sword was less cowardish act than gun...!?

      January 19, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
    • Muneef

      Scoot.

      Do not forget that you would not be able to miss the party above there after earthly life...get your answers ready to defend your case.

      January 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    • Reality

      Islam and World Domination:

      "Mohammed could not have known the size of the world, but several passages in the Koran show that he envisioned Islam dominating all of it, however large it might be: “He it is who sent his messenger . . . that he may cause it [Islam] to prevail over all religions´(Koran 9:33, M.M. Ali; see also 48:28 and 61:9). M.M. Ali designates these three passages as “the prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islam in the whole world.”

      Mohammed’s successors, the caliphs, quoted passages like these to inspire Muslim armies as they advanced out of Arabia, imposing Islam by the sword upon a peacefully unsuspecting Middle East and North Africa, as I described in the previous chapter.

      Islamic armies, imbued with what Mohammed claimed was divine authorization, imposed Islam by force over vast areas, all the while extorting wealth from subjugated Jews and Christians to fund their ongoing conquests. As I noted, major defeats at Tours, France, in A.D. 732, and again at Vienna, Austria, in A.D. 1683, halted Islam’s attempt to take all of Europe by force. Gradually Islamic forces were forced to retreat from Europe, except for part of the Balkans. But Islam has again set its sights on a conquest of Europe and of European civilization, wherever the latter has spread to North and South America and other regions. Muslim strategists ask their followers, Why do we find in these modern times that Allah has entrusted most of the world’s oil wealth primarily to Muslim nations?

      Their answer: Allah foresaw Islam’s need for funds to finance a final politico-religious victory over what Islam perceives as its ultimate enemy: Christianized Euro-American civilization. So, Islam follows Nazism, fascism and communism as the world’s latest hostile takeover aspirant.

      Nazis, fascists and communists failed. Does Islam have a better chance at success? I believe it will flounder if we awaken to its threat in time; yet, if there is not adequate planned resistance, Islam does have a better chance of succeeding. Communism’s world takeover attempt was guaranteed to fail because its economic policy was naively contrary to human nature. Advocating the rubric What is mine is thine, and what is thine is mine, communism failed to see that human nature will not keep those two balanced propositions in equilibrium. Like a female black widow spider consuming her mate, the latter part of the formula makes a meal of the former, leading to the collapse of any system based upon that formula.

      In contrast, political systems do well if they can persuade people to adhere to What’s mine is mine and What’s thine is thine maxims.

      Only if a strong religious incentive is added does such an idealistic formula have any long-term chance. Even then success will be spotty. But communism (and Nazism, for that matter) excluded religion. And that mistake was the final nail eventually clamping a lid on communism’s coffin. Communism, on a historical scale, perished while still in its childhood.

      Islam is not repeating communism’s mistake. Mating political cunning and incredible wealth with religious zeal, Islam does have a chance to succeed and will succeed unless major parts of the Western world unite to take appropriate countermeasures. But many Western leaders, unable to believe that a mere religion could possible be a serious political threat, keep proclaiming themselves as Islam-friendly, reasoning that all religions are good-aren’t they?

      A Muslim strategist in Beverly Hills, California, declared several years ago, as quoted by a friend of mine: “Now that the struggle between Western democracies and international communism is winding down, it is time for the real and final struggle to begin, and we are going to win!”

      When will people realize that just as there are good doctors and quacks, good cops and rogue cops, there can also be good religions and bad religions?"- D. Richardson

      January 20, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • ScottK

      @Moon Qu eef – Neither of us will miss whatever there is or isn't after we die, and either I will be the fool who just tried to live well by not hurting others and helping those I could see in need but didnt bow down to your deity so I am damned, or you will be the fool for getting on your knees three times a day, restricting your diet, condemning the infidels and furthering hate speach and rhetoric against those who do not believe the way you do, but die and are forgotten just as every other organisim that has lived on this planet in the last 4.5 billion years of earths history.

      January 20, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Muneef

      ScottK.
      Sorry was not meaning to deform your name but I like the way you deformed mine as Moon although not understanding the rest...thanks and wish I could shine and bring you light as it does...
      Quran said there is no completion in religion/faith..
      We are supposed to worship/pray five times a day and am not catching up with that and feel inside of me bad about it and therefore to make up for it I try helping others financially or not hurt others being kind to all God creatures from small to large, I try to be honest,truthful and so on the list goes... When ever am alone would be talking to God praising, gracing,thanking him for the peace,health,wealth,family he has given me and would ask for more guidance, knowledge,health,wealth and to assist and inspire me to over come my difficulties or take my decision....and so on....it is that how we should be with God as a dear companion and not as a dictator that I kneel for with fear and hate but should be out of respect and love....another thing God says you can not guide who you love but God will guide whom he wants and on the time he seemed appropriate .... I might have got excited over others when it becomes to rejecting the existence of God and call the Holy Books as tales of the ancient and not of God...otherwise I don't care what religion you are or follow since it does acknowledge the existence of God and believe in the doings of Good Deeps for all mankind and not to certain followers only

      January 20, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
  20. Reality

    Obvious, said governor suffers from the Three B Syndrome i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Christianity. We have a one step cure which takes less the two minutes to read but will wait for the governor to request a copy.

    January 18, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Abby.

      Christianity is a choice and still a freedom in the United States. Everyone gets to choose what and in whom they believe. That was why our founding fathers helped this country break free from British control. We all have the right to choose.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:19 am |
    • fancytu

      While I have no belief in what the gov. said, he did say it in church. So it should be left there and not reported as news. That is essentially what the separation of church and state should mean. Freedom to express any religious view including pagan or humanistic views without retribution. But calling the view stupid is OK.

      January 19, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Chris

      Well, so much for seperation of Church and State by our elected officials. So many "Christians" and religious zealots state that our country was founded by Christians, it was not. To the contrary our founding fathers feared religion for the very reasons we see on the news everyday – bombing of clinics, beheadings of people etc etc etc. Atheists and agnostics need to make their voices heard. To those reading that do not believe need to read the writing of Thoams Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and on and on. All of these people supported freedom FROM religion as much as they supported freedom of religion.

      January 19, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • ScottK

      #1 – If the Gov. had actually read his bible and believed it then he would believe that ALL other humans are his brothers and sisters by way of either Adam & Eve or Noah & Family and would have far greater compassion for everyone.

      #2 – It does not matter that he made this statement in a Church, He is an elected official representing all of Alabama and speaking to a crowd, of course this would get reported on.

      #3 – Who really cares, this is Alabama's Governor, he's preaching to his choir which is likely why he felt he could make such an obviously biased statement. I doubt that In Alabama there are many who believe in a separation of church & state. They believe you should keep government out of the Church, but never the Church out of the government.

      January 19, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Timothy Bopp

      It is less "Bred, Born and Brainwashed" in Christianity than it is "Bred, Born and Brainwashed
      in Alabama." Christ did not teach that if you are not with him, you are not his brother. This
      guy is an idiot.

      January 19, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • chindokae

      While you may not be his sister, his wife certainly is. He does Alabama proud.

      January 19, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Griffin

      ScottK, I currently attend UAB for medicine and can report that there is a rather large population of people in Alabama that not only believe in the separation of church and state, but also support agnostic and atheistic views. Although I wasn't born here (and I will gladly kiss Jesus' left testicle for letting me originate from the New England area), I will say you can't really knock a population unless you have a survey of the land; unless you're talking about their die-hard college football fans. Then, by all means, make all the assumptions you want since they are largely true.

      January 19, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • Crossedover

      Hey Mr. self proclaimed "Reality" suppose you tell us what reality is. I have a feeling you wouldn't know what reality was if it came up and bit you in the rear end.

      January 23, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • FCSA MacDonald,J. USN

      im sorry but if you believe Christianity is being brainwashed you are sooo far from the truth its not funny. There is no Brainwashing at all and I agree with the Gov. of Alabama. I have that right as a sailor in the U.S. Navy

      January 30, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
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