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January 24th, 2011
08:01 PM ET

Pastor Joel Osteen: Homosexuality is "a sin"

Best-selling author and Pastor Joel Osteen, and his wife Victoria Osteen, are the guests on Wednesday's "Piers Morgan Tonight," and the hour-long discussion touches on faith, finances, charity and more.

But one part related to a topic Osteen rarely discusses – sin. Specifically, why homosexuality is a sin, and according to the scriptures, Elton John is a sinner.

"The scriptures shows that it's a sin," said Osteen in the interview. "But you know, I'm not one of those that are out there to bash homosexuals and tell them that they're terrible people and all of that. I mean, there are other sins in the Bible too...I don't believe homosexuality is God's best for a person's life."

Read the full story on Piers Morgan Tonight's new site.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Culture wars • Homosexuality • TV

soundoff (272 Responses)
  1. SC

    I find it ironic that the holier-than-though Christians who use the bible to condemn everyone who is different from themselves lack the ability to see their own faults. Doesn't the bible teach to not judge others? Why does this "pastor", or anyone for that matter, feel that he has the right to judge anyone and label them a sinner?

    Doesn't the the bible also view women as property and certain races as iniferior to others? Should we just ignore civil rights in this world and take away voting rights? Perhaps even bring back slavery? NO!

    i can not believe that an advanced contry like the United States is still wasting time and energy battling this issue.

    January 25, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  2. Rudeofallreligion

    I agree that he's more of a motivational speaker than a pastor.
    -------------------------
    http://www.rudeofallreligion.com

    January 25, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  3. Bob

    Joel Osteen pick-up lines: "Hey baby, wanna see my really big church?" "You love God? Hey, I know the guy!" (holds up piece of paper) "This is how much I make selling God stuff."

    January 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  4. Bob

    Osteen knows the world is changing, and is certainly trying to buffer any negative sentiments, mindful that alienating more tolerant Christians probably means lost revenue. First rule for the pastor of a mega-church–Get Paid.

    January 25, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
  5. frank

    It is a sin, but Jesus forgives sins. Does not mean they are not going to heaven. If they accept Jesus as their savior then all is well.

    January 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • NL

      They use to think that being left-handed was a sign of being a minion of Satan too because of all the negative references to it in the bible. There are more negative references in the bible to being left-handed than to being gay actually, but we somehow got over that bit of superst itious nonsense and don't train our kids out of being left-handed anymore. Some time in the not-too-distant future this taboo will also be abandoned. The move has already begun.

      January 26, 2011 at 10:31 am |
  6. HeavenSent

    Shakil Mukadam, I already posted about the "she" propaganda in the bottom of Ricky Gervais' article:

    https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/17/atheist-ricky-gervais-thanks-god-at-golden-globes/#comment-217688

    Go to the bottom, I posted 12 of 12 of our Christians scholars writings .... since the moderator wouldn't take what I had to provide in a single post.

    January 25, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • hm8806

      @HeavenSent – I read your posts on the Ricky Gervais article and I was impressed because what you wrote makes sense. How do you know all this? Are you a pastor? Do you have a webs-ite to learn more? Thank you for taking the time to post those 12 comments!

      February 14, 2011 at 8:45 am |
  7. Shakil Mukadam

    What I find so interesting in this comment section is that so many individuals don't know what they believe. If your basing your belief on the 1611 King James "She" version, then you have not even researched your belief. How do you know that version is true? When did Christianity form as a religion? Do you know the book "Bel and the Dragon", or the book of Mary, yes the books that where ripped out of the bible..ie.."Bel and the Dragon are the part of the book of Daniel". Do you pick up the latest copy of people magazine and believe it, or do you research the information. Do you know what anything about the book you are reading historically? Do you care? Do you know the true meaning of BC/AD?

    January 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • CW

      @ Shakil,

      There are 66 books to the bible....I do know this. Yes there were books and or items not included due to the fact that the holy spirit didn't lead the men that put the books of the Bible together to include them. If though you taking about comparisons...have you ever heard of the Dead sea scrolls? These are the earliest Bible manuscripts...and experts have compared them and state with the exception of some spelling in some of the words which don't change their meaning that the versions are identical in meaning.

      I guess a better question is this..what do you believe?

      January 25, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
  8. jcmendez09

    What a brave motivator.....

    Brave, brave, brave. almost admirable. Good job, Joel Osteen.

    January 25, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Yes, he has the courage to lie on TV about not being judgmental. He has the courage to be upfront with his dishonesty. He's a real peach.

      January 25, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  9. HeavenSent

    TheRationale, Jesus truth is not to be hidden because sinners (which means ALL of us) want to continue with man's (meaning women too) sinful natures.

    The trouble with so many of these false preachers on TV today is they go around God's truth and preach what man wants to hear instead of Jesus' truth of what man needs to hear. These false preachers buckle under and become people pleasers instead of preaching Jesus' truth.

    If you do not understand Jesus' truth ... stop what you are doing and learn it. How can a man/woman learn Jesus' truth? By ensuring they either read the Bible themselves, or by listening to preachers teach His truth book by book, scripture by scripture. Not this rock star mentality we have today ... telling sinners what they want to hear instead of Jesus' truth of what man needs to know.

    A true man of Christ (meaning Christian) preaches Jesus' truth, book by book, scripture by scripture ... then takes time to answer questions from the people to ensure they know, comprehend this wisdom, then are able to apply His wisdom in their every day lives.

    Amen.

    January 25, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2010: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit-state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary.

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      January 25, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • S. Anity

      HeavenSent

      You quote the bible, I'll quote Nietzsche: "The last Christian died on the cross".

      January 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm |
    • LJ

      Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus condemn the loving saved ho-mo-s3x-ual couple.

      January 28, 2011 at 10:51 am |
  10. TheRationale

    And the loving Christians are clawing at the heels of social progress as usual. What useless bigotry...

    January 25, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • CW

      @ TheRationale,

      you say:
      "And the loving Christians are clawing at the heels of social progress as usual"

      I say:
      First, This isn't social progress...this lifestyle is an abomination to God...see Old Testiment. Second see 1 Corinthians 6:9...this is the New testiment....in essence God couldn't make it anymore cut and dry for all to see. Third, God never meant for this to be...he made Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve...or Eve and Angie. God made Men and Women to multiply the earth...he never made a way for the other sinful lifestyle to do this.

      You say:
      "What useless bigotry..."

      I say:
      Oh...so when its against God's book "The Bible" then I'm a hat-'eful big-'got ehh? Oh well there are a lot of us....o well guess I'll go cry now. Anyway....The G-a-y lifestyle is a choice.....period....when you let God come into your life you turn from all Sins and live as best as one can for God.

      January 25, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @CW
      The Bible says a lot of things that modern society rejects out right as immoral. Not just the Old Testament either.
      For example Exodus 21:17, and Leviticus 20:9 say to kill disobedient children.
      And so does Deuteronomy –
      21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
      21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
      21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
      21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all shall hear, and fear.

      Do you think that communities should band together in Christian brotherhood to stone to death all of the fat, lazy, mouthy kids (an ever increasing demographic)?
      Bear in mind this is commanded in both the OT and the NT.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • CW

      @ Doc,

      you point out all the scriptures that you found in the Old testiment. All the books referenced are from the old testiment. Like I said...God made it a clear as a bell in the NEW TESTIMENT and the old testiment....the Hom-'o lifestyle is wrong....period.

      As for mouthy kids....I can remember a time when kids did get the whip-'ping that they deserved and walked a chalk line. Unlike today's kids who say and do as they please and their parents become cowards b/c of what our society has said about whip-'ping a child. Our society has gotten away from the Biblical beliefs that permeated in decades past...that is why we have a lot of the problems today.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @CW
      So that's a yes from you on stoning children to death, right?
      It'll solve a lot of problems and both chapters of the bible give a big thumbs up!

      January 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • CW

      @ Doc,

      your trying to be funny...thanks for trying.

      I've said and shown you where in the Bible it said in the old and the NEW TESTIMENTS that a hom-o' lifestyle is wrong....you point to only old testiment stuff....not to say that this wasn't important but when Jesus came and died for us all he paved the way for us and reconciled us all so that we didn't have to sacrifice and atone for our sins in the way that we did before. Once again I say...show me in the Bible where it says...Old or New testiment where this lifestyle is acceptable?...I wait for your next reply.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm |
  11. Ann

    Whew, what a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

    January 25, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Timber

      "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing," 1 Cor 1:18

      January 25, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  12. marriagelounge.blogspot.com

    When speaking what has already been written in the Bible, most people get offended. It is not the person that is the sin,
    it's the behavior. God does love everyone but He doesn't love the behavior. If it's tellin a lie, cheating, stilling, killing or whatever. God does love everyone but not the everyone's behavior. People do not like to be told what to do or how
    to live their life. That is ok because God did give us all a "free will". So everyone can choose to live their life the way they
    want to. However, just know that if one continues to live a life outside of "God's" will, they will not spend eternity with Him. Again, it's your choice!
    http://www.marriagelounge.blogspot.com

    January 25, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
  13. HeavenSent

    I had to revise some of the words because my original post was stuck in edit mode.

    Osteen needs to get a backbone and teach Jesus’ truth instead of speaking great-swelling words of emptiness (2 Peter 2:18). He reads Jesus' truth but refuses to teach 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither for-n-i-ca-tors, nor idolaters, nor adult-er-ers, nor ef-fem-i-nate, nor abus-ers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor ex-tortion-ers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15; see also Proverbs 26:28). Osteen is tap dancing his way to the eternal fires if he doesn’t start teaching Jesus’ truth and continues on his stroking of man’s ego with his well orch-es-trat-ed preachings throwing in Jesus’ scriptures here and there. Preach the truth of Jesus book by book, scripture by scripture Osteen and stop stroking man’s ego.

    Osteen doesn't judge them, because he is not a spirit-u-al man (1 Corinthians 2:15) and he does not believe Jesus Christ who said,

    No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14:6).

    Matthew 7:22-23.

    Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

    The Bible teaches that those who are Christ's will be hated by the world (1 John 3:13; 2 Timothy 3:12; John 17:14). But Osteen is of the world (1 John 4:5; 5:19), and therefore "beloved and respect-ed."

    Jesus said to his disciples,

    If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. (John 15:19).

    Osteen doesn’t care that to have friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. (see also 2 Chronicles 19:2; Psalm 15:4; 31:6).

    Again Osteen needs to stop concerning himself with stroking the ego of man and PREACH Jesus’ truth book by book, scripture by scripture. People are hungry for Jesus' truth, so teach it.

    Osteen may not overtly encourage for-ni-ca-tion, un-cleanness, and pas-sion, but he clearly encourages evil desire and covet-ousness, as he encourages people towards wanting financial gain (1 Timothy 6:9-10), and loving this world and the things in it (1 John 2:15-17). In this endeavor, Osteen lies to his readers as he encourages them to be enemies of God (James 4:4).

    Joel Osteen preaches the false gospel of positive thinking. Joel's "start thinking and believing positively" is the wisdom of the world (1 Corinthians 3:19-20; Colossians 2:8-10).

    Wicked men do not "hunger for God" (see Psalm 10:3-4)! There is no building up of the ego of man in Jesus' truth.

    Osteen’s gospel is just the opposite of God's. God's gospel describes man as utterly lost with no desire for God whatsoever (apart from the work of God, John 6:44; Romans 1:16-32; 3:10-18). Osteen flatters the sinner (Romans 16:18) and is a lie.

    Osteen lies when he does NOT tell hom-ose-xual-s God will judge them ...Paul says that they "exchanged the truth of God for the lie" (Romans 1:25). Men reject the truth, and are not on a quest for it (John 3:19-21)!

    Osteen suppresses God’s truth when he tap dances around with his answers (Romans 1:18, "who suppress the truth"), it is the exact opposite of the Word of God. The reason men do evil is because they have rejected the truth, and God has given them a debased mind to do evil (Romans 1:28-32).

    Scripture gives one simple reason for hom-ose-xual tendencies – a re-jection of God (Romans 1:18-27). Osteen tap dances around this truth and does not preach it to Jesus’ flock.

    The ungodly care less about being separated from God (Psalm 10:3-4; 14:2-3; Romans 1:28; 3:10-18), and thus being "separated from God" they do not search for God. This is no concern to the wicked. Osteen’s kind of preaching removes the truth that people need to hear (i.e., hell is a place of fiery torment, e.g. Revelation 14:10; 20:10). Osteen’s false teachings while tap dancing helps remove any true fear of God (Luke 12:4-5).

    Proverbs 30:5-6 says, "Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Osteen tap dances around His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar."

    Osteen refuses to tell hom-ose-xual-s that Scripture says, "He who trusts in his own heart is a fool." (Proverbs 28:26), and "Cursed is the man who trusts in man" (Jeremiah 17:5).

    If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32)

    He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God. (John 8:47).

    Osteen doesn’t warn hom-ose-xual-s about what John told us about Jesus (John 14:23-24) ... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; (John 14:23-24)

    We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (1 John 4:6; see also Jude 3; 2 Corinthians 10:3-5; Romans 16:17-18; 1 Timothy 1:3; 6:3-5; 2 Timothy 3:16-4:5).

    Osteen's people "DO NOT receive the love of the truth [John 14:6], that they might be saved" (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

    Scripture is very clear on this: "The un-righteous will not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; see also Galatians 5:19-21; 6:7-8; Ephesians 5:5-6; Revelation 21:8; 22:14-15; etc.).

    So Joel, start teaching Jesus' truth scripture by scripture, book by book and stop deceiving men/women with YOUR words of flattery to continue stroking the egos to build your church.

    Amen.

    January 25, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • Reality

      Thu-mp along as we see what some of the contemporary NT experts have to say about some of the references noted above:

      Hmmm, "I am the Truth" i.e. John 14:6. This passage was not said by the historical Jesus but was wishful thinking and an embellishment by John to make Jesus more like the ancient and local gods of first century Palestine. 210-. Place of Life: (1) Dial. Sav. 27-30, (2) John 14:2-12; http://www.faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf

      Matthew 7: 22-23 http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=165_Depart_from_Me was yet another passage not uttered by the simple preacher man aka Jesus.

      Matthew 7: 15 "In Sheep's Clothing"- another Matthew "invention and a single attestation found nowhere else in the NT.

      One gets the idea that close inspection of the "Jesus" passages by experts in field has resulted in the conclusion that much of the NT was "invented" by P, M, M, L and J with John's "inventions" being the most egregious.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • LJ

      Romans was about pagan rituals worshiping a pagan god. It has nothing to do with the loving ho-mo-s3x-ual relationships we know it today. This is the problem with Christians today they don't put the scriptures into context before applying their judgments. It would help if instead of picking only part of the text you read what is before and after it to get the true meaning.

      January 28, 2011 at 10:49 am |
  14. Aaron Moore Sacramento, CA

    Joel Osteen: How to Manipulate God to Get What You Want...

    January 25, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
  15. John

    If he's a pastor – I am the POPE!!!LOL

    January 25, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Is there some requirement for being a pastor? Other than claiming to be one that is.

      January 25, 2011 at 12:56 pm |
    • Linda

      You will not be laughing sir in the end and it is coming; go ahead and joke about it -Joel is a pastor and there are requirements which they do fill. Believe what you want that's why God gave man "free will" -maybe he's regretting that now, suppose? I fear there will be several people in Hell thinking back on moments like this and they won't be laughing – they will regret no listening and will be in torture for ETERNITY – that is a long time! Live as you will people but there are consequenses for how you choose to live. Ignore and denounce God and His Son Jesus Christ – He will denounce you!!!

      January 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Thanks Linda. Good to know.

      January 25, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • tallulah13

      You can actually get as degree in divinity online. I found one that only cost 20 bucks.

      January 25, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
  16. Jeff

    I don't speak for God regarding his likes and dislikes and others should not either. Mind your own business and do right to others and you'll be just fine.

    January 25, 2011 at 11:51 am |
    • Virginian

      "Just fine" with WHO?

      God??

      Looks like you just spoke for Gofd after all!

      January 25, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  17. LJ

    The restrictions to responses on this topic are pathetic!

    January 25, 2011 at 10:46 am |
    • Reality

      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • More than one web address will also activate “waiting for moderation”. Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

      "Raison's Filter Fiber© (joking about the copyright)

      1. Here's my latest list – this seems like a good spot to set this down, as nobody's posting much on this thread.....
      --–
      bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to post that wonderful argument:
      Many, if not most are buried within other words, but I am not shooting for the perfect list, so use your imagination and add any words I have missed as a comment (no one has done this yet)
      – I found some but forgot to write them down. (shrugs).
      s-ex
      c-um.........as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, etc.
      sp-ic........as in disp-icable (look out Sylvester the cat!)
      ho-mo...whether ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, etc.
      t-it.........const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, etc.
      an-al......ban-al
      sh-it
      fu-ck...
      who-re
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, (an unexpected one)
      pr-ick
      sl-ut
      c-lit
      va-g....as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant
      hor-ny
      ar-se....yet "ass" is not filtered!
      nip-ple
      po-rn
      c-ock
      nig-ger
      cu-nt
      b-itch
      ra-pe
      jacka-ss...but ass is fine lol
      p-is.....as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, etc.
      o ficti-tious, repeti-tion, competi-tion.
      Sna-tch
      soft-ware
      Ja-panese
      There are more, so do not assume that this is complete.
      -–
      okay words that you might not expect to be filtered....!!!
      beaver
      penis
      ass
      crap
      damn
      anal
      anus
      sphincter
      testicles
      testes
      pubic
      boob
      --

      Here's a word to add to the banned list: co-co-on
      whether it's c-oc, or co-on, this is ridiculous

      January 25, 2011 at 11:42 am |
    • LJ

      None of the words you mentioned were in the text I wrote. I tried re-writing it 3 times and still they all got put in review and never posted. The filters are set so only certain types of responses are allowed.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Something

      LJ,

      "The filters are set so only certain types of responses are allowed."

      No, the filter only flags individual words. Perhaps posts are deleted later by a real live moderator, say if 'abuse' is reported a certain number of times, or if some other TOS has been violated, but the auto-filter is not that sophisticated. Keep trying to find your bugbear in your text...

      January 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • Reality

      LJ,

      Have you tried the following?:

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um".(might want to check for sp-ic, ra-pe, a-pe fragments also). To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

      January 25, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • S. Anity

      My comment is awaiting moderation. Hmph.

      January 25, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
  18. abteman

    google search: former gay leader Michael Glatze quits

    January 25, 2011 at 10:06 am |
  19. CW

    @ All who say that living a Gay lifestyle or being Gay is okay

    1 Corinthians 6:9....nuff said....by the way....that is in the NEW testiment for those that want to go to Leviticus and such.

    I totally agree with Joel Osteen's comments he is correct. I also agree with those that say we are all sinners...but...I believe that as I sin...I would want my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to help encourage me to live a Godly life. That means to tell me when I'm sinning....and I in turn encourage those living this sinful lifestyle to repent and sin no more.

    January 25, 2011 at 8:37 am |
    • Don

      CW, why do you persist in your delusion that your book of myths, fables, and legends somehow has meaning to non-christians?

      And why do you persist in believing that you're some low, base, disgusting creature? You don't? But you must; that is the upshot of believing that you're a sinner–especially a sinner who can only be helped by the grace of god.

      January 25, 2011 at 9:17 am |
    • CW

      @ Don,

      Your thoughts on the Bible are just that....yours....The Bible was wrote for all mankind. If you chose not to believe...that is your free will choice. Hope you change your mind before you go to the gra-'ve. Second the reason that we are all disgusting low creatures of Sin is this is what God says...we are all sinners in our hearts and the Bible also says that the Heart is the most deceitful thing. Only through God's grace and the scacrifice of Jesus are we saved....in order to receive this gift of grace though you have to ask Jesus to come into your heart and turn from all sins and try to live your life for God.

      January 25, 2011 at 10:07 am |
    • Steve the real one

      Hey Don,

      Does it pain you that much that Christians share their faith? The Bible is the Bible and our faith is our faith. As an atheist you have ever right to reject EVERYTHING we say. We are forcing NOTHING on you we are asking questions and answering questions! The Bible has meaning to ALLmen, some just refuse its meaning! The Bible DOES NOT lose any power because you refuse to believe it! You asked Why do you persist...? I now pose that very same question to you, Sir!

      January 25, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • Nonimus

      "...I would want my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to help encourage me to live a Godly life..."
      Isn't this the fatal flaw in the Golden Rule, 'do unto others as you have them do unto you'?
      You may want me to encourage you to live a Godly life, but I don't want you to do the same for me.

      January 25, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • Nonimus

      Likewise I would like others to correct me when I use faulty logic or don't have all the facts, but apparently not everyone wants that.

      January 25, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • SeanNJ

      @Don: I'm convinced CW is playing a role. I doubt anyone actually believes stuff like he/she purports to do.

      January 25, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • CW

      @ SeanNJ

      What role? I'm pointing to the truth in the Bible.

      @ Nonimus,

      You may not want people to try to change you but God commanded all christians to spread the good news. He further laid out the ways in which we are to treat each other when one is living in Sin. Like it or not....God is the "golden rules" to follow in all things.

      January 25, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @CW: You're doing the "Krazy Kristian" thing. I get it. You're pretty good too. Had me fooled for a while.

      January 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • CW

      @ SeanNJ,

      I guess just call me Krazy Kristian.....or you can call me what you want...don't care. What way am I fooling you?....my beliefs are grounded in the word of God. If this is per-'plexing to you please study the word for yourself....this is the thing to do.

      January 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • NL

      CW-
      "nuff said"
      Stan Lee fan, eh?

      Well, it's only "nuff said" if you indiscriminately follow the bible literally, right? So, when's the last time you stoned somebody, or bought a slave, or buried your poop in your back yard? Have you read A.J. Jacobs' 'The Year of Living Biblically'? Any less an effort is just cherry picking, my friend. What you need to ask yourself is why this particular cherry is so irresistible, while so many other biblical laws are ignored routinely? I've never met a Christian who even attempts to follow all the laws in the bible. Funny how that works, eh?

      January 25, 2011 at 4:17 pm |
    • S. Anity

      CW –

      Ah, who'd wanna inherit a kingdom of clouds, harps and s-@-x-less beings singing the praises of Big Chief Narcissist (for eternity) anyway?

      January 25, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • LJ

      CW you do realize you can't use Cor. because the word ho-mo-s3x-ual was added later by a bias translator. The original interpretation was about male pros-ti-tu-tion not ho-mo-s3x-uality.

      January 28, 2011 at 10:48 am |
  20. Grace

    If Elton John were in front of me I would be-friend him and his family and also deliver them the gospel of how Jesus came to this Earth and died for each and everyone's sin that whoever believes in Him shall be saved and have ever lasting life. You don't tell somebody that they better stop sinning because they will go to hell, rather you tell them that Jesus took away all our sins and once you believe what Jesus did, you are saved forever. See, once you put your faith in Christ you are justified and it is a life long progress of sanctification or being made Holy into the likeness of Christ. With that sanctification you naturally stop doing the things you once did and start doing the things Christ wants you to do but again it is a life long process but you do change because you repented or changed your mind about who Jesus is and with that change of mind comes a change of action. Joel Osteen is clearly trying to be a man pleaser which is not good, God tells us that when we deliver the truth we will be hated. God bless

    January 25, 2011 at 8:27 am |
    • Don

      Or you just leave the person alone because preaching like that is rude. How DARE you think he hasn't heard your jesus tale before?

      January 25, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • CW

      @ Grace,

      GOOOD POST!!!!!....totally agree.

      January 25, 2011 at 10:09 am |
    • NL

      So, basically Grace, you want to convince the man to give up the one he loves, right? In exchange for, what, a relationship with the spirit of a dead man who will save Elton from a threat that nobody has any proof of? Question is, could you do the same? Could you give up your husband or boyfriend for a religious belief that you don't find compelling?

      January 25, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • NL

      Grace "You don't tell somebody that they better stop sinning because they will go to hell,"
      CW "GOOOD POST!!!!!....totally agree."

      You totally agree with what Grace said? Funny, I thought I read you post the H (ellfire) Bomb pretty regularly.

      Recent case in point:

      "CW
      @ all including the washed up Ricky G.

      I'll sum it up like this

      If you go to your gra-'ve as an Atheist = eternal life in H-E-L-L"

      Have you had a change of heart?

      January 25, 2011 at 5:17 pm |
    • auguron

      Understand this. Whatever truths you THINK you know, are not the reason why we hate you. We hate you because you believe you are blameless creatures incapable of wrong when we all know you all are more twisted than a car wreck. First of all, stop with the passive-aggressiveness and just be honest. You hate anyone who isn't you, exactly. Yes, that means you hate people that have nothing to do with you, and you even hate people in your own circle. Your arrogance, hypocrisy, blatant dishonesty, betrayal, and self-absorption are the reasons why we hate you, not because you "spread the truth".

      February 15, 2011 at 3:10 am |
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