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My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality
February 9th, 2011
10:31 AM ET

My Take: The Bible’s surprisingly mixed messages on sexuality

Editor's Note: Jennifer Wright Knust is author of Unprotected Texts: The Bible’s Surprising Contradictions about Sex and Desire.

By Jennifer Wright Knust, Special to CNN

We often hears that Christians have no choice but to regard homosexuality as a sin - that Scripture simply demands it.

As a Bible scholar and pastor myself, I say that Scripture does no such thing.

"I love gay people, but the Bible forces me to condemn them" is a poor excuse that attempts to avoid accountability by wrapping a very particular and narrow interpretation of a few biblical passages in a cloak of divinely inspired respectability.

Truth is, Scripture can be interpreted in any number of ways. And biblical writers held a much more complicated view of human sexuality than contemporary debates have acknowledged.

In Genesis, for example, it would seem that God’s original intention for humanity was androgyny, not sexual differentiation and heterosexuality.

Genesis includes two versions of the story of God’s creation of the human person. First, God creates humanity male and female and then God forms the human person again, this time in the Garden of Eden. The second human person is given the name Adam and the female is formed from his rib.

Ancient Christians and Jews explained this two-step creation by imagining that the first human person possessed the genitalia of both sexes. Then, when the androgynous, dually-sexed person was placed in the garden, s/he was divided in two.

According to this account, the man “clings to the woman” in an attempt to regain half his flesh, which God took from him once he was placed in Eden. As third century Rabbi Samuel bar Nahman explained, when God created the first man, God created him with two faces. “Then he split the androgyne and made two bodies, one on each side, and turned them about.”

When the apostle Paul envisioned the bodies that would be given to humanity at the end of time, he imagined that they would be androgynous, “not male and female.” The third-century non-canonical Gospel of Philip, meanwhile, lamented that sexual difference had been created at all: “If the female had not separated from the male, she and the male would not die. That being’s separation became the source of death.”

From these perspectives, God’s original plan was sexual unity in one body, not two. The Genesis creation stories can support the notion that sexual intercourse is designed to reunite male and female into one body, but they can also suggest that God’s blessing was first placed on an undifferentiated body that didn’t have sex at all.

Heterosexual sex was therefore an afterthought designed to give back the man what he had lost.

Despite common misperceptions, biblical writers could also imagine same-sex intimacy as a source of blessing. For example, the seemingly intimate relationship between the Old Testament's David and Jonathan, in which Jonathan loved David more than he loved women, may have been intended to justify David’s rise as king.

Jonathan, not David, was a king’s son. David was only a shepherd. Yet by becoming David’s “woman,” Jonathan voluntarily gave up his place for his beloved friend.

Thus, Jonathan “took great delight in David,” foiling King Saul’s attempts to arrange for David’s death (1 Samuel 19:1). Choosing David over his father, Jonathan makes a formal covenant with his friend, asking David to remain faithful to him and his descendants.

Sealing the covenant, David swears his devotion to Jonathan, “for he loved him as he loved his own life” (1 Samuel 20:17). When Jonathan is killed, King David composes a eulogy for him, praising his devotion: “greatly beloved were you to me; your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women” (2 Samuel 1:26).

Confident claims about the forms of sex rejected by God are also called into question by early Christian interpretations of the story of Sodom. From the perspective of the New Testament, it was the near rape of angels - not sex between men - that led to the demise of the city.

Linking a strange story in Genesis about “sons of God” who lust after “daughters of men” to the story of the angels who visit Abraham’s nephew Lot, New Testament writers concluded that the mingling of human and divine flesh is an intolerable sin.

As the New Testament letter Jude puts it:

And the angels who did not keep their own position, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great day. Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual immorality and went after strange flesh, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire (Jude 6-7).

The first time angels dared to mix with humans, God flooded the earth, saving only Noah, his family, and the animals. In the case of Sodom, as soon as men attempted to engage in sexual activity with angels, God obliterated the city with fire, delivering only Lot and his family. Sex with angels was regarded as the most dangerous and offensive sex of all.

It’s true that same-sex intimacy is condemned in a few biblical passages. But these passages, which I can count on one hand, are addressed to specific sex acts and specific persons, not to all humanity forever, and they can be interpreted in any number of ways.

The book of Leviticus, for example, is directed at Israelite men, offering instructions regarding legitimate sexual partners so long as they are living in Israel. Biblical patriarchs and kings violate nearly every one of these commandments.

Paul’s letters urge followers of Christ to remain celibate and blame all Gentiles in general for their poor sexual standards. Jesus, meanwhile, says nothing at all about same-sex pairing, and when he discusses marriage, he discourages it.

So why are we pretending that the Bible is dictating our sexual morals? It isn’t.

Moreover, as Americans we should have learned by now that such a simplistic approach to the Bible will lead us astray.

Only a little more than a century ago, many of the very same passages now being invoked to argue that the scriptures label homosexuality a sin or that God cannot countenance gay marriage were used to justify not “biblical marriage” but slavery.

Yes, the apostle Paul selected same-sex pairings as one among many possible examples of human sin, but he also assumed that slavery was acceptable and then did nothing to protect slaves from sexual use by their masters, a common practice at the time. Letters attributed to him go so far as to command slaves to obey their masters and women to obey their husbands as if they were obeying Christ.

These passages served as fundamental proof texts to those who were arguing that slavery was God’s will and accusing abolitionists of failing to obey biblical mandates.

It is therefore disturbing to hear some Christian leaders today claim that they have no choice but to regard homosexuality as a sin. They do have a choice and should be held accountable for the ones they are making.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jennifer Wright Knust.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Homosexuality • Opinion • Sex

soundoff (4,235 Responses)
  1. aaron in texas

    another "pastor" whom twists scripture to make people feel better about their sins. bet she really hates the part of scripture in timothy that states she should not be leading a church...

    February 9, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Sandra

      Absolutely. Kinda hard to be the "husband of one wife". . . .when you are a woman!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Jon

      exactly !
      she said "you can interpret bible as you like" and she did !
      i am glad one day everyone, including this new apostle of "new theology" will know the truth !!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Give Me A Break

      Actually I think she just hates when people like you do exactly what you did here... quote one line and ignore all the other passages. I know for a fact you don't follow the 'laws' God actually outlines in the bible.. none of us do because many are ridiculous. Or are you also in favor of stoning to death teens who do not obey their parents?

      February 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • lydia

      "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

      February 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • Reggie

      Absolutely correct Aaron!!! Sin is STILL sin and no matter what man or woman may say to twist and contort the Bible, Gods word is TRUE!!! God is the same yesterday, today and forever, Amen.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • ps141

      Aaaron, most pastors neither preach nor teach the Bible since most, if not all, revisions of the Bible since 1769 remove any concept of repentance as the first step on the road to Salvation.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • Laura

      ...bet you hate the part in the english language where you have to decipher when to use "who" and "whom" appropriately...if you're attacking her gender as unfit to teach the word of God, your schooling or lack thereof is not surprising.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • GOD LOVER

      .... feel good about their sins???? You are a joke you must feel VERY bad than because JUDGING is a sin HELLO

      February 9, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • ed

      Still everyone gets a chance for forgiveness, even if sin is sugar coated.

      February 9, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  2. Jon

    It's sad as you stated that she is leading people astray and their blood will be on her hands. Women are not to be Pastor's, so I challenge her right to claim that. And what about Romans Chapter 1?

    February 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • CW

      @ Jon,

      SAME TO YOUR POST....AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!....MY BROTHER!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • Brotherboy

      Poor Jon

      February 9, 2011 at 5:51 pm |
    • dalis

      What about Romans 2:1?

      February 10, 2011 at 5:04 am |
    • dalis

      Romans 1 is about idolatry and the effect of idolatry. If you read Paul's epistle in its entirety, he says so explicitly.

      February 10, 2011 at 5:05 am |
    • W247

      Jon, woman can be pastors however their is a restriction on them teaching men. However they can be pastors and teachers over other woman. Another misconception that people keep propagating. HOWEVER this lady has really gone over the deep end.

      February 10, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
  3. Mick

    I'm sorry, but for everyone that bashes gays. Remember the golden rule stemmed from the bible. It makes you nothing more than a hypocrite. I don't care what your justification is, because by bashing gays for your religion, you're actually rebelling against your own "Holy Book".

    Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 7:12)

    February 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • TheTruth72

      Christians shouldn't hate the people, just the sin itself.

      "Don't hate the player, hate the game".

      February 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • graceonfire

      Gays are out bashing Christians now, trying to change the whole belief system. Now we hear "Many people in the Bible were secretly gay so that makes it right!" comments and mentality. I am staying over here, trying to mind my business, you know? But hearing people try to justify gays by coming up with ever more bizarre interpretations and rewrites of the Bible is getting ridiculous. Just another line of faulty reasoning that will start a new church movement. They should find a way to involve that new-age prosperity doctrine in with their beliefs. Then they will be rich as well as righteous.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Mick

      Actually Jesus wasn't clever enough to come up with the "golden rule". There were versions of it before Jesus was born.

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • Mick

      Well I'm not a Christian, I just went to church long enough to see how alot of them end up. I was Christian for several years before I ended up deciding that I don't share alot of the same opinions.

      February 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Bob

      > Just another line of faulty reasoning

      On what basis do you make this claim. I'm willing to bet on no fundamental logical concept, just your own feeling that your faith is superior. How do you know that the part of the bible against gay acts was written by men with their own agenda, just like tons of other parts of the bible.

      That's right, your bible is demonstratably false.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Can we say "a little more twisting of the bible" to fit ones own desires!!!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
  4. Fred Derf

    Pepsi Cool Cans

    February 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
  5. Theo

    This woman has no clue. Now I'm against even having women as pastors. Look at the stupidity it produces!

    February 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • TheTruth72

      If I remember correctly, I believe Paul makes a decent point in the New Testament about women not having a leadership role in the Church. Also, the Church of Thyatira in the book of Revelations also brings up why this is not a wise thing to do.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Hieran

      Theo,

      Are you *serious*?

      Do you think women have a monopoly on stupid? Unbelievable. Jesus had nothing but respect for women. You could stand to learn a lot more from him.

      February 9, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • W247

      Theo, you are traveling on dangerous grounds there. As a Christian, woman can pastor other woman. HOWEVER, being a woman does not mean we cannot intelligently discuss the scriptures or teach others. There are plenty of woman I know who are more theologically sound then some men out there.

      February 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
  6. CW

    My take:

    This person has the WRONG TAKE.....just read the story. To address a few points First, on the subject of Sla-'ves it was address in the new and old testaments and during this time it was commanded and acceptable that Sla-'ves could earn their way to freedom. Furthermore what she didn't meantion was that Paul demanded that masters treat their sla-'ves humanly and care for them just as they cared for their masters. Second, in the story of Genesis...God made it as PLAIN AS DAY that he created Adam and Eve to populate the earth....not Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva.....This lady is a true example of what God talked about when he said that false pastors and pro-'phets would come but we are to run from their teachings as they are "wol-'ves in sheep's clothing....period.

    I would love to meet her in person to debate this topic....I could point to a couple of books that are plain as day....then she could talk about her misinterpretation of things...I just love how people try to twist, cherry pick and second guess God....its truly funny.

    February 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • flux

      So you're pro-slavery?

      February 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @CW

      This lady isn't stupid. She would eat you for lunch.

      If god were a moral god, an all good god He or Jesus would have said: "You can't own each other". It would have been a better commandment than the one about keeping Sunday holy.

      Your god is not moral.

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • Bob

      > God made it as PLAIN AS DAY that he created Adam and Eve to populate the earth....

      I'm sorry, Adam and Eve has been proven by science not to have occured. You're believing in nonsense. We share a common ancestor with the great apes. DNA doesn't lie.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Kay

      You would lose the debate.

      February 10, 2011 at 1:51 am |
  7. georgea

    I call on all the beloved and faithful God's servants to pray for the writer Jennifer Wright Knust...what she is writing here is absoulutly NONSENSE and completly distorted interprettaion of God's scripture.
    Let s not argue but instead pray that the LORD hinders this type of false interpretations, making her come to the truth. AMen!

    February 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • SJB

      Distorted according to YOUR interpretation.

      Or maybe YOU are the one who's entire belief-system is distorted.

      The Church? They're just in it for the money. Just look at their palaces and art collections. Nothing about helping poor, or humantiy in their practices, whatsoever.....or churches would simply be out on the lawn, in a park...rather than in multi-million dollar buildings...while people beg for food to eat, on the adjacent sidewalk.

      February 10, 2011 at 6:48 am |
    • TJ

      LOL, that's some good stuff there.

      February 11, 2011 at 9:25 am |
  8. Zebula

    Wow, so much ignorance even in the 21st century. Why are you people still clinging to mythology?

    February 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • graceonfire

      You mistake "mythology" for "theology." But I get the superior tone of the dig. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but, its quite common for people to think their truth is the only truth, and anyone who doesn't "get" their truth is inferior and lacks intelligence. It is a common misconception among people who believe, and just as common among people who don't believe. I think that makes self righteous superiority based on an insular view of self a common human trait.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Bob

      > You mistake "mythology" for "theology.

      They're one and the same for me. Believing in Zeus many years ago would be theology. Today it's mythology.

      People believing in eating of the flesh and drinking of the blood of a zombie saviour who died for our sins that was created by the God who created him for the purpose of a blood ritual is somewhat laughable.

      What am I saying? Somewhat.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
  9. Steve Rinehart

    This article is stupid and makes no sense. It amazes me how stupid liberals are.

    February 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Megan

      And here I thought we were godless heathens. Hmm.

      Don't be naive, there are morons on both sides.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Jeff

      Let me get this right – liberals are stupid for questioning words written by men while religous followers beleive the earth is thousands of years old, that some great flood covered the earth only to be saved by some guy who built a boat and gathered two of every spieces, etc. etc. etc.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Steve Rinehart

      You said: "This article is stupid and makes no sense. It amazes me how stupid liberals are."

      WoW Steve! With your big brain, you should be able to totally put down any argument I give you.

      Your god is immoral. Am I wrong?

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      @Jeff,

      Are you really just questioning? Or is your mission to prove God wrong? Nothing wrong with questioning. It just appears you are attempting to do much more than that!

      February 9, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Bob

      > Are you really just questioning? Or is your mission to prove God wrong? Nothing wrong with questioning. It just appears you are attempting to do much more than that!

      What would the point of the questions be if they cannot be wrong?

      It's almost like you're saying "It's ok to question, as long as you're going to believe in it anyway".

      H I Larious.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  10. flux

    This is quite refreshing. As someone who comes from a long line of preachers, it's rare to see someone in the faith using a path of logic like this. I was vilified for mine.

    Your grasp on cultural differences and timelines is perfect. I realize you'll be instantly demonized because of this article, as I can already see in these weak comments. But please know there are those who desire progression of understanding, and I think you're helping provide that.

    February 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • graceonfire

      No where in the Bible does it say that people and times will change, and Gods word will need to be rectified to align with changing mores. I believe even Christ said He came to uphold the law set down in the Old Testament, He did not come to change it. I'm sure there will be legislation soon to change the objectionable passages in the Bible. It will look like Cliff notes, when that happens.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • LinzS

      Weak comments? Sorry, but if you claim to be a preacher of God's Word, then you shouldn't describe what it says as weak comments.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm |
    • Person

      Graceonfire, if Jesus came to uphold the Old Testament, I do hope you keep strict kosher in your house.

      February 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • JSKC

      @graceonfire
      "No where in the Bible does it say that people and times will change, and Gods word will need to be rectified to align with changing mores."

      I can actually prove this statement wrong with multiple examples from the Bible. It was once a morally wrong to eat pork or wear clothes made from multiple fabrics. Those aren't the case anymore. So either God did at one point in time change what is and is not morally wrong, or else pretty much everyone is going to hell. This whole "God's will is unchanging" business is in complete contradiction to the rules that used to apply but no longer do.

      February 9, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
    • Bryan in Orlando

      ahhh... NOOOO GRACE ON FIRE.... Christ came to FULFILL th law.... that;'s why you don't have to keep goats in your back yard for Sunday church!

      February 12, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • Magic

      "NOOOO GRACE ON FIRE.... Christ came to FULFILL th law.... that;'s why you don't have to keep goats in your back yard for Sunday church!"

      Then *all* of the laws Deuteronomy and Leviticus (and any others in the OT) were fulfilled, right? Oh no, I get it, just the ones y'all pick out...

      February 12, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
  11. Richard

    Amazing. This is such an inspiration to take things and twist them 180 degrees.
    Possibly the least Christian thing I've ever read.

    February 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • Bob

      It is proof that if God did inspire the bible and it is in fact correct, he did a horrible job getting his message across. With 4,000+ demoninations of Christianity, it's clear that God really needs to work on the clairty of his communications.

      February 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • Raider

      Maybe he should start using Twitter!

      February 9, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • SJB

      And the truest. What a coincidence.

      February 10, 2011 at 6:51 am |
  12. David Funk

    God loves us all equally and made me how I am so that I may evolve it to a higher form. We are not punished for our sins our sins are our punishment as they separate us from gods love. Each of our paths to god are our own and individual. If an action any action is less than loving then it is not of god

    February 9, 2011 at 11:56 am |
    • graceonfire

      You are correct. As such, that means I must live and vote my conscience. By doing so I invoke the wrath of pro-gay people as a "hater." As I love my God, and I take my path to His righteousness very seriously, I stand firm in my beliefs based on the scripture as it speaks to me. Therefor, I do not subscribe to the belief that gays should have the right to tell me what I have to vote for and accept. Some people just can't accept the word "No." When Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple, He was demonstrating Gods wrath. He was neither shy, nor apologetic. God is more than love. To claim that is all God is leads people astray. The Bible clearly states there are rules to be followed, and a person ignores that message at their own peril. This is life, not The Good Ship Lollypop. Time to put on the big person underwear and deal with it.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • TheTruth72

      That's new age teaching and is a slap in the face to God. It breaks the first 2 commandments. Christians are not to make up a God that fits their lifestyle. This is the problem with all these false teachers claiming to be Christian.

      Also, we should be punished for our sin by going to Hell. There is no reason God shouldn't strike all of dead on the spot right now, but since God is merciful, he gives us time to ask for forgiveness and repent so that we may live forever.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • ANNIE

      Ya think David ? – Just because you "think it" doesn't make it so....Path away-to your little God, only because you are a "control freak"

      February 9, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
    • W247

      John 14:
      6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

      No making up "your own way" to the Lord. He is specific about that..

      February 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm |
  13. john

    You all seem to have all the answers for life. Perhaps you ought to write your own book of on life and then you too can be a god......Oh! many already have done that, so that you too can live in some fantasy. I had an unbeliever friend once tell me that "Truth" was what ever he wanted it to be, even WHEN he knew it was not true! I believe the "Truth" of the Bible, and not as this wrriter of this artical is telling it. The Bible requires a guide from God to understand it, which He has given to those who put their faith into the Word of God – Jesus. God's Spirit of truth. You can laugh and call names on all of us who proclaim this, but you will never understand till you do. I once heard it said tha the burning in Hell is the burn of anger as the unbelievers finally understand thier failure believe in the only one who could have given them life. It is still YOUR choice.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Bob

      > I had an unbeliever friend once tell me that "Truth" was what ever he wanted it to be

      I'd say that the believers fell that the truth is what ever they want it to be. They ignore reality in favour for their beliefs. Dendrochronology (dating by tree rings) has already proven the bible's account of history wrong. Yet people still adhere to it.

      No one has the truth, that requires omniscience. However, you should strive to have the best degree of understanding of reality given the information that is in front of you. Believers, more then non-believers tend to ignore reality to keep believing "what they want to". Mainly because they have a vested interest in their beliefs.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @John

      You said: "The Bible requires a guide from God to understand it, which He has given to those who put their faith into the Word of God – Jesus. God's Spirit of truth. "

      Really? So, your beliefs are the only true beliefs? No one but you and people who think like you, put their faith into the Word of God?

      There are thousands of different Christian denominations. They each believe they have the true understanding.

      Why is your faith better than theirs? Why are you special?

      You have no proof the bible is the word of god. You have no proof there is a god.

      If you have, give me your evidence!

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
  14. Randy in San Diego

    Sounds a lot like someone trying to sell a book to me.... create controversy, sell a book... isn't that how it works? Too bad CNN got suckered in...

    February 9, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • Steve the real one

      This is much worst than just trying to sell a book. She is LYING and is giving people an excuse to linger in their sins! She is standing to be guilty for lost souls!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:53 am |
    • Bob

      > She is standing to be guilty for lost souls!

      No, God is responsible for lost souls if they exist. It's by his perfect design (ie, no mistakes) that people sin. In fact, given that he created everything, God must intend people to sin. Why would he create something he abhors.

      And no, there is no such thing as free will. If God is omniscient and omnipotent we cannot deviate from his design and his knowledge of what we'll do. Given then that he created us, he imbued us with flaws (we're not as smart as him for example), to perform our roles.

      The God of the bible taliored us to do a specific role and we are unable to escape from it. Do you blame a dull knife with a chip in it for not cutting well?

      February 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Steve the real one

      You said: "This is much worst than just trying to sell a book. She is LYING and is giving people an excuse to linger in their sins! She is standing to be guilty for lost souls!"

      You are such a drama queen. The bible was written by men. It is written with Bronze Age ideas and morals.

      There are no lost souls, only stupid fundies.

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • God is not existential He's Absolute and watching you!

      CNN ALWAYS gets suckered in!

      February 9, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
  15. Bob

    The reason the bible has mixed messages is because it is a collection of different stories from different sources at different times. The two creation stories are different because there were two Jewish creation stories from two different tribes of Israel: The first refers to God as Elohim, and the second refers to god as Yahweh. The gospels are different, too. The lineage of Jesus is different in the Gospel of John compared to the Gospel of Mark. They're different stories that convey different messages. I don't understand how anyone can read the Bible and not come to this conclusion.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Iceman

      Bob, here is a good read on the two creation stories, which explains that there is no contradiction:
      http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html

      Here is an explanation of the differing geneologies:
      http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-genealogy.html

      Please mull over these and perhaps it will help shed some light on your view.

      February 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Bob

      There's no conflict because someone found a way to explain it off? In light of there being no evidence, isn't it fair to say that the bible as written is contradictory, although there may be explanations for this (or no explanations)?

      February 9, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
  16. Paul

    Just a bunch of self serving intellectual blather trying to justify itself to the delight and pride of the pronunciator. "Claiming to be wise they became as fools......"

    February 9, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • SJB

      As opposed to a collection of religious zealots who say with one voice, that God is all-powerful.

      Then with another voice, they say that God didn't make people the way they are.

      Religion accuses God of making errors with at least 10% of the world's population (both human and animal). Pretty strong words....and not refuted once, in over 2000 years.

      February 10, 2011 at 6:55 am |
  17. Jason

    A very interesting view on a controversial subject. We should all welcome the insight, whether or not you agree. Why should anyone be afraid of intellectual study, religious or otherwise. I am a Christian, yet am very open to insightful thinking. Do any of us have it all figured out ?

    February 9, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Justin

      I agree Jason! I may not agree with all the points in this article, but it is worth the time to study the other viewpoints. Unfortunately slash and burn will rule the discourse in these comments.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • Jon

      I agree, Jason. Insightful thinking should always be appreciated and considered. However, in this case, the author's exegesis of the biblical texts is quite terrible. It seems clear to me that she came to the texts with a conclusion, and then sought to interpret them in such a way as to support her pre-determined conclusion. Her extra-biblical source citation is also terrible. For a biblical scholar, as she claims to be, this is poor work.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      I strongly agree for the following reasons:
      1. Some will view her words as a license to stay in sin and her words are exactly that.
      2. She is conradi-cting the word of God
      3. Look at the responses from atheists, they love this stuff!
      4. She is presenting a false gospel!
      5. She is going to cause those who are weak in the faith to waiver!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Sorry. Make that I strongly DISAGREE! Sorry for any confusion!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Caroline

      Thank you Jason. I give you my thumbs up for one of the smartest replies so far.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  18. CW

    Sounds like a Wo-'lve in Sheeps clothing....Can't believe it....she won't ever preach to me.....she is entirely wrong. The new testament is AS PLAIN AS IT CAN BE....G-A-'Y LIFESTYLES ARE WRONG....Anyone can try to twist the scriptures to try to meet with their own belief's I believe that God was totally clear.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • Juni

      It's a shame that you didn't actually read the article. Try actually, y'know, reading it, and you'll see why you're wrong.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Earlygirl

      But what about the books that didn't make it into the Canon? It was humans who decided what Christianity was to be, not God.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Jeff

      The bible was written by man – not god – pull your head out of the sand.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @CW

      The Gospels are fiction, written to "prove" Jesus was the Messiah.

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • provingpoints

      you contradict yourself and prove the point against your own argument. You are twisting and interpreting the bible in a way that benefits and upholds your beliefs, the same thing you are accusing this woman of... therefore your argument holds no weight

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Mel

      Amen

      February 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Jessica

      Well I think that you are WRONG!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • stejo

      may be wrong, but oh well...I guess I'm wrong.

      February 9, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Round-Earther

      The Bible is wrong. On so many levels, in so many ways. Such an evil book. Murder, slavery, hate, jealousy, the list goes on.

      So, Dr. Knust, why try to interpret it as being good? Why not just revel in secular, superior morality?

      February 9, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • Gwith3

      I feel very sad for all of you that just responded to CW. You mock the bible, you are only self-destructing. As I posted before, lets say all of us Christians are wrong and the bible is wrong and all you world-believers are right, I'm guessing all of you believe we just die and lay in the ground, well if that is the case we win (it would be depressing, but ok, we die and lay in the ground for eternity), but if we (You know the Christians who believe in GODS HOLY WORD, WROTE BY MAN, BUT ORDAINED BY GOD) are right, well we who are saved by Gods grace and love (and forgiveness, because of his sacrifice of his son-jesus christ) will go to what we call Heaven and those of you who don't believe and are not saved, well, gee where does that leave you, well not in the ground for eternity, you will go to a place called Hell, and I, so glad I believe and follow, for one, do not and would not want to go there. I hope you all get it before it is too late.

      February 9, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • Kay

      @Gwith3 –

      Why on earth do you think that people who don't believe in God think that we just lay in the ground forever? As opposed to our bodies recycling and becoming another part of the universe that we're all part of anyway? Surely you don't think that when *you* die, your physical body goes to heaven??

      And why is it so frightening to you to think that we simply go to sleep...and never wake up?

      The fact is that you imagine a god that needs to be worshipped and punishes those who don't worship him. But I can't imagine that something astonishing enough to create the entire universe gives two hoots about being 'worshipped'. After all, being constantly told how awesome you are is something that insecure humans crave. It's not a god-like characteristic.

      February 10, 2011 at 1:37 am |
  19. David

    But in Leviticus 18:22
    The text of 18:22 has been interpreted as:

    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
    While the direct translation from masoretic is

    "Do not lie with a male as one would with a woman.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • jesus

      True and eating a ham sandwich is also an abomination in the Bible. I fault this author for trying to make sense from a 21st century point of view out of 1st century Bronze Age nonsense.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Juni

      I guess you didn't read the part of the article where the author explains the context of that statement.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Earlygirl

      Leviticus also says not to eat pork chops or cut your hair, among other things.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Mike

      So... if one is a woman, she's allowed to lie with other women?

      February 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
    • suzq

      The bible is very clear. Also, it was written by men but only men who were inspired by God. Don't reject the bible or God just because you do not like moral standards.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Mike

      Personally, I reject the bible of God (as well as those of Jehovah, Allah, Buddha, etc.) because all religion is a construct of humanity and therefore corrupt.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • Lie?

      Is there more to this quote? Just wondering, cause could it be another situation in which women are considered lesser beings? I mean it as, should we not tell lies to men as we should to women, because men matter more? Unless there's more lead-up or follow-up to the quote I don't know how we can discern the meaning... And it seems like this point may have been made in order to help the point of many of the people arguing against it. 😛

      February 9, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • lingisi

      She "forgot' this passage on purpose, I bet!

      February 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • Josh

      Well, anyone who's ever laid with a man knows you certainly don't do it the same way you do with a woman. So, I suppose the Bible's good for something.

      February 9, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • john staton

      This was only intended for the Levite men in Israel. Their task was to create the Nation of Israel, and to not "spill" the "seed" except for making children for the Nation of Israel. Leviticus has NO bearing on any other people.

      February 9, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
    • Kay

      Oh, come on @suzq

      You can't tell us that "The bible is very clear." All you can honestly claim is that *you* find that *your* interpretation of *your* Bible is very clear to *you*.

      The rest of us can accept that you truly believe this.

      But your belief doesn't mean that your interpretation is right...or wrong, either. It just means that it's your personal interpretation and that you believe it's the correct interpretation.

      We can respect that, too.

      But what we can't respect...nor should we...is the way you dismiss people who don't agree with you by claiming they "do not like moral standards".

      That claim is simply not true. No. It's worse than that. It's mean-spirited condemnation of anyone who disagrees with you. And, if you truly believe in God, then you need to be begging forgiveness for doing that.

      February 10, 2011 at 1:08 am |
    • Joe

      The Old T suports slavery with rules for buying and selling people, so why did we abolish it? The reason cause we are enlightened if God dont want us to be humane then we got we got real issues.

      February 10, 2011 at 7:08 am |
    • Steve the real one

      jesus and Earlygirl,

      Why are atheists (would could not care less about the Bible) so fixated on the Old Testament? I always wonder? Do you understand the church was established under Grace (the NT) and NOT law(OT)? I don't think you do!

      February 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • Magic

      Steve the real one,

      "Why are atheists (would could not care less about the Bible) so fixated on the Old Testament? I always wonder? Do you understand the church was established under Grace (the NT) and NOT law(OT)?"

      Even if you do believe that the Bible is the whole truth, there are unquestionably quotes in Deuteronomy that the Law will NEVER be changed; and passages in the NT where Jesus says (or Matthew says that he said) that he will not change one dot of the old Law.

      February 10, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • fiel

      the pentateuch aka the torah aka first five books of the Bible aka the books that incorporate the law was first off established as a sacred covenant between God and His chosen people. these books were not supposed to enslave God's people into legalistic slavery, but rather life of fulfillment that separated them from the influence of other cultures so as to preserve who they were as a nation.

      BUT once Christ fulfilled the promises made to abraham and the rest of his lineage there was no need for many of the old ways because EVERYONE can accept God's free gift of eternal atonement for their sins. the difference therefore between the mosaic covenant and the new covenant is Christ's sacrifice. thus, for practical purposes, we should look to the new testament with these debates.

      certainly the old testament is not meant to be a moral rule book, because many men did terrible things and God still blessed them i.e. Jacob rebelling for so many years before he finally gave in after wrestling with God. the old testament is more useful in revealing God's character, in spite of ourselves. He promised eve, after her and her HUSBAND messed everything up, a Seed in Gen. 3:15, and even though humanity tried to mess it up, God still came through, in spite of ourselves.

      i dont know about all this debate. i find it incredibly heart breaking when people study God's Word in order to fit their predispositions. we are called to be transformed BY God's Word and NOT transform it into our own sinful dispositions.
      all that being said, arguments will not persuade ANYONE into salvation, only the work of God through the Holy Spirit can do that. so if anyone of you is searching for more than just fuel for their hatred towards either side of the issue, i would HIGHLY recommend listening to pastor mark driscoll of mars hill online or on his podcasts.

      shalom shalom

      February 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • Mobydick

      Mike - I think you are right, that's why we don't think a woman doing another woman is nasty when comparing a man stokes another man's penis.

      March 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
  20. Brad

    To be straight to the point, Ms. Knust's understanding of the Word of God is DEAD. She has no grasp of what she thinks she does, this commentary is quite sad because she will lead some away from the truth and keep others dead in their trespasses and sins. People of God, pray that we would come forward with sound doctrine to refute the lies of the evil one and his children.

    February 9, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • graceonfire

      Amen.

      February 9, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • WarhammerTwo

      BRad stated, "To be straight to the point, Ms. Knust's understanding of the Word of God is DEAD. She has no grasp of what she thinks she does, this commentary is quite sad because she will lead some away from the truth and keep others dead in their trespasses and sins. "

      Oh yeah? Says you!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • Thinking Human

      This reinforces my atheism. In the face of things like science, evidence, how can people possibly believe crap like God created the first man, God created him with two faces. “Then he split the androgyne and made two bodies, one on each side, and turned them about.” And, by the way, did god create dinosaur bones and 4,000,000 year old rocks just to play with our minds?

      February 9, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • Juni

      Wrong, Brad. She's quite right in every possible respect. Grow up.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Sarge

      Another Amen!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • David Johnson

      As an atheist who is pro-choice, and pro-gay rights I think Ms. Knust's ideas are stellar!

      I wish more religious people would come out against foolish Bronze Age ideas. It is time to put the 'ol desert war god out to pasture.

      Ms. Knust I salute you! Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • suzq

      What a twist of the bible she has done. There is a reason why God created one male and one female. He did not create two males or two females.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Bob

      Brad, clearly your subjective evaluation is far more correct then the author's subjective evaluation

      By the way, that's sarcasm.

      Instead of trying to figure out whether being gay is a sin, how about you ask questions like "Why do I believe in a book that puts forth the concept of zombies?"

      Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

      Kind of hilarious when you think about it.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Sandra

      Amen!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • Layne

      Brad, do you have any evidence? Can you show your understanding of what the Bible says is right and Ms Knust's is wrong? Or are you just saying she's wrong because she disagrees with you? I'm willing to listen to both sides of the argument, but you haven't presented a side. All you've done is said "Wrong!" but didn't say how or why.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • Caroline

      I find her account quite interesting. Christian people brag of their acceptance and benevolence but as soon as someone tries to find new meanings to the scriptures (which were written by MEN and not God Himself) Christians get defensive and even insulting. I would love to hear her views on the interpretation that Jehovah's Witnesses give of the Bible in their refusal to give blood to save a life.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Scott in Atlanta

      The very definition of heresy: is a little tiny bit of truth sprinkled into a whole bunch of lies... So this is how it starts, huh? Lord, you said it would happen... I only pray that people will read for themselves and see the lies and the way she bends the truth to fit a perverted picture/agenda.

      Wow. Blatent too... "We are not at war against principalities... but rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places..."

      Lord, Your will... Your way... Nothing more... Nothing less... In Jesus' name... Amen!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Bob

      You said: "Matthew 27:52 The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.
      Kind of hilarious when you think about it."

      All the more so, when you realize no one wrote about it. If zombies were running around don't you think some historian would have noted it?

      The fundies have no gag reflexes, they can swallow anything.

      Cheers!

      February 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Caroline

      To Brad and Scott in Atlanta. Be charitable Christians as you obviously should have been raised as and respect your peers and other religions as well as other opinions and interpretations. Everyone can have an opinion and the way you are defending your beliefs is like you're trying to ram them down our throats. Jesus spread the good word and never forced it upon anyone.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • This world is Crazy...

      I totally agree with you... I ususally don't comment on these type of post, but the Bible does say in the end time "many will be deceived" following false doctorines. Now I don't hate or dislike Gays, just I just don't hate someone who: steals, lies, fornicates, etc... it's just a sin like many others, that can be corrected through having a true relationship with God and following the commandments and teachings of the Bible.

      Love all and help anyone with sin (including me) to correct it.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
    • Brad

      LAYNE, if you would read the comments from Steve the real one, they shed light on what scripture teaches, I can't say anything else than what he has, because he sums it up beautifully. I commend you on your willingness to hear truth, but I would also suggest you read the bible for yourself, and I'm prayin that you will fall in love with the God of the bible, Jesus Christ.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • RC WORD

      For those that do not believe in God (atheiists) I will pray for you, because the fact that you are reading this post shows a curiousity inspired by our Creator. As a human you have the inner desire to know about God. Unless you have experienced the peace and grace given to us that believe, we Christians are unable to explain to you so that you can understand

      February 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • Ali

      The above article by Jennifer Wright Knust is a good example of how, Bible has changed from the time when it was given to Jesus (Peace be upon him) (translated and explained by Jesus due his wisdom which he was blessed with, by God) till the time of today. As time passed christians and ppl like above who claim to be christians have changed it (the bible) with their own translations and explanations, because they dont think that Jesus's translation and Explanation is worth following resulting in different versions of the original bible (which is lost). More ppl like Jennifer Wright Knust are coming up with their own translation which is dependent on thier thought process not Jesus's(peace be upon him) not God's. This is History in the making again ppl watch as the bible changes again. End of days is around the corner. Sad.......

      February 9, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Bob

      > For those that do not believe in God (atheiists) I will pray for you, because the fact that you are reading this post shows a curiousity inspired by our Creator.

      And I will think for you, because clearly you're not able to consider alternate motivations that lie outside your own personal thoughts. By your logic when a Christian walks into a mosque, regardless of reason, he's there because the creator placed a spark in him/her to find the real faith.

      You're hilarious. I like you.

      February 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • HELLO

      Right on Brad...Just because some folks do not believe doesnt make it any less true. God is God, God is good...We are but His creation and I believe every word that comes out of His mouth which is the Holy Bible. Amen and Amen

      February 9, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • General wonderment

      This isn't intended as a dig on either side, it is a legitimate question. The bible was written by men, correct? If so, I'm just wondering does anyone know if God made sure that they wrote exactly what he told them to write? Or did he scold or correct them if they wrote anything different? I just get really confused by most everyone commenting on this article since the whole point of a comments section is to post your opinion (whether that be based on fact/fiction/experience/ignorance or whatever other means someone comes about an opinion).

      February 9, 2011 at 2:03 pm |
    • General wonderment

      Wow, computer issues... Overall I'd just say that I don't dispute the writings in the bible, but it is your choice to live by its scriptures or interpretations. I think if you can justify YOUR existence and purpose in life by it, then great. And it's not wrong to try to get someone else to believe in what you do if you're that enthusiastic about it, but I don't think that scolding people for things that they don't necessarily believe in is going to help the situation. All people are stubborn, which is an idea seen in the bible and every other piece of literature that discusses the human psyche. Please realize that, as I'm trying to do, but I'm sure that I will fail.

      February 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • jimboe

      Let's talk about your sins Brad....

      February 9, 2011 at 2:59 pm |
    • CalgarySandy

      Just to be truly obnoxious in getting back at the fundamentalist Christians in the Baptist Church I was forced to attend for the abuse, the lies, the hatred...ruining my life and encouraging my mom to beat the cr@p out of me on a regular basis. "Better to bruise the child than allow it to go to hell."

      There are zombies in the Bible. Lazarus and Jesus both raised from the dead. I don't know of any others, though Horus in the Egyptian religion did. Horus was likely the model for the myths that surround Joshua ben Joseph. The halo is a nimbus like the one a much older Apollo had. Said word for halo misled Michaelangelo into given Moses horns. Such is the accuracy of Biblical scholarship.

      Does Jesus like being called by a Greek name when his real name was Joshua?

      February 9, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Nero

      Brad I agree with you. She isn't making much sense. I mean, her interpretation on a scale of 1 to 100 with 1 being unrealistic and 100 being reaistic, she's at probably 3... your interpretation is probably more like 5. Sciences interpretation gets about a 98. My point is, you are as ignorant as she is and at least she's trying to accomplish a good thing. You are just perpetuating hate, which I know Jesus would not have agreed with you on. Yes, I believe Jesus was a real man who taught great things, but he wasn't the son of god and chances are, he never claimed to be.

      February 9, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • God is not existential He's Absolute and watching you!

      Well done Brad. Hit it on the head. Glory to God.

      February 9, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      I don't blame people like "ThinkingHuman". You really can't blame his/her comment after reading this article. I'm a bible believing Christian, but if I was an atheist, this article would reconfirm my atheistic posture.

      February 9, 2011 at 5:10 pm |
    • Al

      Exactly, you got that right! Today is the day to get right because tomorrow is not promised. Life is short and it wouldn't be good for a so called 'pastor' to continue to the end of their life spewing such blasphemous false and erroneous teachings.

      February 9, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • citizenEp

      And at what point, Brad, did your god imbue you with such absolute truth? Just because you have walled off your fears with such psychological cement doesn't make the reality of the unknowable any less real, no matter how firmly YOU refuse to examine it.

      February 9, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
    • To: General Wonderment

      2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," The Bible was penned by men whom God himself through the Holy Spirit guided the words. There are those who doubt the Scriptures or that Jesus lived and said who he was. There is no other piece of literature in antiquity that is proven to be as true and as accurate as the bible. Lee Stroblel who was an atheist, lawyer and journalist trying to prove Christianity wrong went on a search to show his wife that she and her Christianity was wrong so she would stop the foolishness of church. He actually proved that the bible was accurate, reliable through time and answered very specific questions about Jesus, raising from the dead etc.. You might check out 'The Case for Christ'. Short and sweet, easy to read and follow...he answers the tough questions about many things people blog here. It gives you greater confidence in the Bible whether your a skeptic or believer. Which leads me to my next point. Don't come to CNN blogs to read or find the truth. The truth can only be found in the scriptures. Once you know the Word of God, false prophets, like the author of this article, will be as plain as day. Compare the words that people speak with the Word of God. Any other comparison will lead you astray.
      Remember as you read these blogs that people will say there is no absolute truth. I believe the Bible teaches there is. Jesus was a radical in his day, he teaching was exclusive and he was not apologetic for it either. I think people would agree that there is such thing as right and wrong. Jesus didn't hedge or have gray areas, he spoke in very clear terms of right and wrong. For many people, they don't even realize that they are lost, if you don't believe in Genesis, the rest of the Bible doesn't make sense at all. As matter of fact it would be pointless. If you don't believe that God created a perfect world that was later marred by sin of Adam & Eve through Satan's deception, then why would Jesus of had to come to begin with? Some say the Bible is hard to read and leave it up to others to tell them what it says. God didn't require a PHD in theology to read the Bible, it is open to everyone, especially those who have a true seeking heart who asks the Holy Spirit to guide and lead them through the Word.

      Remember...Even Satan himself and his demons believe in God. God gave us free will to choose him or not. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

      February 9, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Warhammer, it scares you because what Brad says is true!!!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Juni, you are another liberal minded, world-believer, as one person posted she is an Anti-Christ!!!!! Anthing and Anyone who is against Gods word and twists it to the worlds beliefs is an Anti-Christ. If you choose to believe that, you are only hurting yourself!!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Oh Bob, poor Bob, Mock Gods word. What the bible says is true, those who have faith and believe, know this. When people who are saved and Jesus comes down to take us to heaven (yes I know all you athiests and liberals who like to twist the bibles word are laughing about what I am saying, which is Gods word) He will raise the Saints first (which are followers of Christ, who are in the world-DEAD) Not zombies, sorry you moron.

      February 9, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Caroline, Written by men-true, but ordained by God. Get all the facts straight.

      February 9, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
    • Slow Down Gwith3

      Proverbs 9:7-10 "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."

      February 9, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • Gwith3

      Calgary Sandy, I am truly sorry for the abuse you suffered at you mothers hand, but that is not Gods fault. There are such people who are religious fanatics and that can be in all religions, they use the bible to justify the evil things they do. I am a Strong Christian and have 3 children, I would never beat my children and use God, jesus or the bible to justify abuse. Paddling them on the behind for something done wrong is one thing, but beating the crap out of them-kicking, punching and whatever horrible things done of that nature are not at all what God would want a parent to do in his name to punish their children, but a swat across the bottom for say touching a hot stove (you know things that could hurt them) is to protect them. But a fanatic, whether it be a baptist, pentecostal, catholic, muslim, etc they twist the words of the bible as the woman who wrote this article to do THEIR WILL-NOT GODS. God is love, we are the ones who have ruined this world by doing the things we choose to do, after all God gave us free-will, if he didn't give us free-will, everyone in this world as we speak would be worshipping him. I pray for you, that you don't take the horrible things of the past and have that be the reason you could and will miss out on a wonderful life living in Gods word and the path he has laid out for you. God never promised life would be perfect for any of us, especially christians, and unfortunately the bible says "sins of the father" that passing down from generation to generation. Again I pray for you and am truly sorry for what you suffered as a child. God Bless!!!!

      February 9, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • oi vey

      CalgarySandy, His name is YHWH, Better yet, find out how He writes His name (full comprehension will be known by all when you witness this).

      February 10, 2011 at 12:28 am |
    • Kay

      And @suzq, exactly why do you think that *YOU* know what the "reason why God created one male and one female" is??

      I mean, it can't be that they're necessary to reproduce. Obviously God can create any process of reproduction he wants. In fact...he has!!

      The world is chock full of things that are able to reproduce without being male and female. And I'm not talking about rare things. Or things you can't see like bacteria and viruses. I'm talking about incredibly common things like earthworms and snails and honey bees.

      February 10, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • STOP

      Amen!!!!!

      February 10, 2011 at 3:19 am |
    • Elexsor

      Luke 6:37 "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven."

      February 10, 2011 at 5:07 am |
    • Christian

      Well said. She needs to read the verse regarding the millstone.

      February 10, 2011 at 8:44 am |
    • US Patriot

      Amen!

      February 10, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • oi vey

      Thinking Human, her writings are to confuse and keep you away from Jesus Truth. She writes to stroke the non-believers egos to keep them in the dark. If you want to come into Jesus' light, read the Bible for yourself. After you've done this, then, God will bring true believers into your life to debate His truth and sharpen your knowledge.

      February 10, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • oi vey

      Elexsor, Judging is believing Jesus' Truth. We have SALTY Christians on this site that read, comprehend and abide in His truth and are discerning satan's lies versus Jesus' Truth.

      Numbers 18:19 All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it [is] a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.

      February 10, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Amen, Brad, Amen.

      Ms. Knust twists and contorts scriptures so she can teach the ways of man to make excuses for man's/women's sinful natures instead of teaching ALL of Jesus Christ's truth, scripture by scripture, book by book so folks can be the best that He wants us to be. Teaching the ways of man prevents the flock from hearing Jesus Christ's truth.

      Ms. Knust, judgment starts at the pulpit (I suspect you don't believe in 1 Peter 4 either) ...

      February 11, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Q

      The evil one and his children??? OMG, that is hilarious.

      February 25, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Arthur A. Cevallos

      Brad,

      What exactly is "the truth"?
      Since you seem to have an Idea what this concept is, perhaps you can share with us a little bit of your wisdom.

      Please elaborate, what is "the truth"? as you see it. Please don't ramble on with your answer. Try to explain things concisely and with reason.

      February 25, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Scott

      God is Love, Brad. Even the kinds you find icky.

      March 1, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Jerry Senzee

      This woman just seem to be seeking the truth for truths sake. What is wrong with that. Nothing that I can see. I think so many fundamentalists are so insecure and shame based that they try to rid themselves of their nueroses by taking some kind of peusdo puritannical high road to feel kinda " God like " or some damn thing.

      March 2, 2011 at 3:38 am |
    • Jerry Senzee

      Hey delusional and nuerotic Religious giants, take a deep breath. Its OK. Its OK. See ya in heaven or Memphis.

      March 2, 2011 at 3:41 am |
    • Deston

      This lady is a mess. She tries to twist the Word of God even though it is evident what the Bible says. Unfortunately, this twisting of the Word of God is going to happen more and more..look at Rob Bell, who is claiming that there is no Hell, since God is such a loving God. Pure craziness.

      March 3, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mobydick

      Amen.

      March 3, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • Kathy

      Brad,
      Amen!
      She seems to have forgotten the scriptures like
      Genesis 13:13
      13 But the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the LORD.
      This scripture was when Lot first separated from Abram to move near Sodom.

      Genesis 18:16-33
      Abraham Intercedes for Sodom

      16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way.
      17 And the LORD said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing,
      18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
      19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the LORD, to do righteousness and justice, that the LORD may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.”
      20 And the LORD said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,
      21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”
      22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the LORD.
      23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
      24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it?
      25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
      26 So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”
      27 Then Abraham answered and said, “Indeed now, I who am but dust and ashes have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord:
      28 Suppose there were five less than the fifty righteous; would You destroy all of the city for lack of five?”
      So He said, “If I find there forty-five, I will not destroy it.”
      29 And he spoke to Him yet again and said, “Suppose there should be forty found there?”
      So He said, “I will not do it for the sake of forty.”
      30 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Suppose thirty should be found there?”
      So He said, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
      31 And he said, “Indeed now, I have taken it upon myself to speak to the Lord: Suppose twenty should be found there?”
      So He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty.”
      32 Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”
      And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.”
      33 So the LORD went His way as soon as He had finished speaking with Abraham; and Abraham returned to his place.

      She also seems to have missed the fact that the angels were going to destroy Sodom. This is why they were there, it wasn't just something that happened because the people tried to take them after they arrived. In fact if there had been 10 righteous people in Sodom it would have been saved.

      Talk about leaving out some very important facts, because they don't go along with ones belief.

      March 8, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
    • Rodrigo Couto

      Are you for real or are you just a freak show attraction?

      March 19, 2011 at 12:52 am |
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