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February 14th, 2011
10:41 AM ET

Philadelphia Catholics demand changes in the church

From CNN Philadelphia affiliate KYW:

Protesters surrounded the entrance to Basilica’s Saint Peters and Paul in Philadelphia, Sunday demanding the change they say the church is lacking.

“Let’s not risk one more day of one more child being hurt the way we were,” said one protester.

The protesters say they are upset, but not surprised, that three priests, Edward Avery, Charles Engelhardt and James Brennan, as well as a teacher, Bernard Shero, were charged with sexually assaulting and raping two young boys over a period of several years.

View Philadelphia Archbishop Justin Rigali's video responding to the charges.

Read the full story about the Philadelphia protests on KYW's website.
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pennsylvania • Sex abuse

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  1. Calvin Millwood

    ...we have been misled in many ways by the church but yet we still refuse to question the integrity of the message... we must begin to consider the actions of the Priestly messengers, to determine the integrity of their message.

    http://segregatedfaith.blogspot.com/2011/02/false-forgiveness.html?spref=fb

    February 15, 2011 at 2:03 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      If a person is on a path different than the one we walk through life's journey it often that we feel that the person is being misled. This thought often is echoed on the other path as well.

      February 15, 2011 at 2:13 am |
    • Curious

      Heaven Sent

      You said:

      HeavenSent

      . Not this sprinkling in a scripture(s) here or there to make it look like they know something of Jesus' truth. Baloney. Open up the Bible and start with Genesis, scripture by scripture, book by book until they get to Revelations. For each book and chapter they start on, they should then have a question and answer time after the teachings so the folks in the congregation can ask questions, give their answers so as to sharpen their knowledge on Jesus' truth. Next weeks services, continue on with the chapter from the week before and so on and so forth. It should take a few years to get through the entire Bible and then they start over again ... starting with Genesis and finishing with Revelations. If they are clueless to what Jesus' truth is (which I'm sure they are) they can purchase a Companion Bible, along with a Strong's concordance that goes back to the Hebrew, Greek and other manuscripts.

      Enough of this nonsense of BIG EGOS erasing God's truth out of the churches so they can teach the ways of the world (that of man's

      In this sentence, quoting your post again:
      The Catholic church, like most of the churches today need to stop preaching the word of man and go back to what they are suppose to do, which is to teach the word of God (Jesus) scripture by scripture, book by book

      Are you saying that the Catholic Church is preaching the word of man, based on the Magesterium (sp) cathecism, and other papal bulls and things?

      Also, in another post above. you stated that the Catholic Church parted from the truth, and gave to books to read that this is the case.

      Are these just your opinions, or are they based on scripture? Could you elaborate more on why you believe ths?
      I am going to go back and check for those two books you quoted and read them. Then I will post again, a response to this.

      February 15, 2011 at 8:21 am |
    • gerald

      Go directly to Jesus seems like a likely solution. Problem is it is not what Jesus prescribed if we look at John 20:21-23. It should also be noted that throughout the old testament men confessed sins to the priesthood as well. They had to so that the prescribed sacrifice could be administered. Now the sacrifice is Jesus himself so I am not quite sure what the problem is. You might want to read Mt. 9:8 as well about the wonder at the authority given to MEN. What was this authority? If you step back to v. 6 you will see the answer. Now Christ was a MAN not MEN so who else is this passage talking about. You may not like that God gives power to and works through sinners but your one as well. 11 out of 12 apostles abandoned Christ at the Cross. Yet he sent his Holy Spirit and gave them the power to forgive sins in John 20:21-23. God's ways are not your ways, that is clear.

      February 15, 2011 at 9:31 am |
    • Reality

      gerald,

      Based on the studies of many contemporary NT scholars, John 20:23 is simply another add-on by John to empower the long-dead Jesus with the power of a deity. e.g.

      From Professor Gerd Ludemann's book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p198:

      " It is inauthentic".

      February 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • gerald

      Reality,

      You like to name drop and throw around Johnny come lately "scholars" who question EVERYTHING. Questions are fine except when EVERYTHING is doubted. I don't care what scholars say. You ignore all orthodox Catholic scholars and elevate devient scholars. Those with contrary opinions always seem right to you. They are not to me. Sorry.

      February 15, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Reality

      "Gerd Lüdemann (born 5 July 1946 in Visselhövede), is a German New Testament scholar. He taught this subject from 1983 to 1999 at the Faculty of Theology of the University of Göttingen. Since 1999 he has taught there with a special status as Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity. He is married with four children and seven grandchildren.

      After periods of teaching and research at McMaster University (1977–79) and Vanderbilt University (1979–82), he was appointed in 1983 to the Chair in New Testament Studies in the Theological Faculty of the University of Göttingen. Following a series of historically critical publications culminating in the publication of his book Der große Betrug: Und was Jesus wirklich sagte und tat (The Great Deception: And What Jesus Really Said and Did) in 1999, in which he argued that only about five per cent of the sayings attributed to Jesus are genuine and the historical evidence does not support the claims of traditional Christianity, the Confederation of Protestant Churches in Lower Saxony called for his dismissal from the Chair of New Testament Studies. Lüdemann stated that his studies convinced him that his previous Christian faith, based as it was on Biblical Studies, had become impossible: 'the person of Jesus himself becomes insufficient as a foundation of faith once most of the New Testament statements about him have proved to be later interpretations by the community'.[1]"

      Books

      Eyes That See Not: The Pope Looks at Jesus, 2008
      The Great Deception: What Jesus Really Said and Did, 1999
      Suppressed Prayers: Gnostic Spirituality in Early Christianity, 1998
      Virgin Birth? The Real History of Mary and Her Son Jesus, 1998
      The Unholy in Holy Scripture: The Dark Side of the Bible, 1997
      Heretics: The Other Side of Early Christianity, 1996
      What Really Happened to Jesus, 1995
      The Resurrection of Jesus: History, Experience, and Theology, 1994
      Academic Credentials

      D.Theol., University of Göttingen
      D. Habil., University of Göttingen
      Special Study

      Visiting Scholar, Vanderbilt Divinity School, 1992–1998
      Duke University, 1974–1975
      Academic Appointments

      Professor of New Testament, Georg-August-University,
      Göttingen, Germany, 1983–
      Associate Professor of New Testament, Vanderbilt Divinity School, Nashville, 1980–1983
      Assistant Professor of New Testament, Vanderbilt Divinity School, Nashville, 1979–1980
      Visiting Assistant Professor of Jewish Christianity and Gnosticism, McMaster University, Dept. of Religion, 1977–1979
      Academic Assistant of New Testament, Georg-August-University Göttingen, Germany, 1975–1977
      Professional Service

      Founder and Director, Archive "Religionsgeschichtliche Schule," Göttingen, Germany, 1987–
      Member of the editorial board: The Second Century. A Journal of Early Christian Studies, 1981–1992
      Co-chair: SBL Seminar about Jewish Christianity, 1979–1984
      Membership in Professional Societies

      Canadian Society of Biblical Studies
      Ernst-Troeltsch-Gesellschaft
      Society of Biblical Literature
      Studiorum Novi Testamenti Societas
      The Jesus Seminar
      Verband der Judaisten in der Bundesrepublik Deutschland
      Wissenschaftliche Gesellschaft für Theologie
      Awards and Honors

      Heisenberg-Scholarship of the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft, 1980–1983
      Website: http://www.gwdg.de/~gluedem/

      February 15, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    • gerald

      Reality,

      I don't care. Don't you get it. There are dozens of scholars with credentials as good or better than his who completely disagree with him. The truth is not discerned by a mere human learning and reasoning. The scriptures only come alive and make sense in a living breathing Church that Christ founded. That is the Catholic Church. Liberal scholars are in general trying to make a buck coming up with something "new" about scripture so they can sell books and make money.

      February 16, 2011 at 8:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Calvin Millwood, His truth stands forever. Though some of His messengers lost their way, hopefully most will not follow.

      Judgment starts at the pulpit. Those preaching babble should read this scripture and know the woe that will befall their mocking the Lord.

      Amen.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:17 am |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      You said, ‘Judgment starts at the pulpit. Those preaching babble should read this scripture and know the woe that will befall their mocking the Lord.’

      This brings me back to what I have posted elsewhere….One needs to Hear the Word from someone who is SENT. Who can SEND themselves? As Jesus Christ was SENT by the Father with power and authority, He said that is how He sends the Apostles. The Apostles were concerned to fill the ‘office’ of one of them who had died….this is Apostolic Succession described in the Bible.

      Yes, be concerned about who you listen to from the pulpit.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Curious, preaching what man wants to know versus what is Jesus' truth is done by many churches, not just the Catholics. Same with these rock and roll preachers on TV and radio building up the self esteem of man/woman. They are preaching what man wants to hear, not Jesus' truth. Jesus' truth is learned scripture by scripture, book by book. Period. Not some man telling others that Jesus said this and Jesus said that by throwing in a few scriptures then they go on ...blah, blah, blah for hours about man's way and our society today, what's happening politically, what's wrong or right with society ... blah, blah, blah then having the audacity to end their man made speeches with Amen.

      That is not teaching Jesus' truth.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • LJ

      HS you have been throwing a few scriptures and talking about man's way, the non-believers, our society today as well as end your posts with Amen (see above). You are doing exactly what you are denouncing of these rock and roll preachers of doing.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Something

      HeavenSent,

      "Jesus' truth is learned scripture by scripture, book by book."

      Oh yeah, then there is all of that "hidden" secret stuff that only the "truly enlightened" can see if they blur their eyes and read between the lines... and make up stuff to have it mean *anything*.

      I don't believe that the Bible has any supernatural truth in it, but even as written, you take it to a whole new level.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:34 pm |
    • gerald

      HeavenSent,

      So you have the charism of infallibility so that when you read the scriptures you know exactly what they mean? Prov 3:5 says "trust not your own understanding". Jer 3:15 that God will send shepherds who will give us knowledge and understanding. Who are these shepherds, or don't you believe in the Old Testament. Your just another one of those maverick Christians who say "Bible alone" but then put their own spin on the bible. The Bible NEVER says Bible alone!!! In facts 2 thes 2:15 says there are oral teachings as well. John's Gospel tells us there are tons of things not recorded in the scriptures that Jesus said and did. John in his letter speaks about things that he has not written that he would deliver in person. Paul says in 2 Tim 2:2 that there are oral teachings that are to be passed on from one person to the next, to the next. Do you think everyone in the first 200 years of the Church had Bibles to carry around. Your solution of everyone reading the Bible and figuring it out for themselves just doesn't work in first or second century Christianity. Sola Scriptura is false. Plain fact.

      February 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  2. Mark from Middle River

    Hmm.... just interesting. Nothing about the anti-gay statements....just your ...much less than normal responce....anti-Faith.

    It means you are the ultimate one-trick blogging pony .....

    ...or you are in agreement with some of what H.S. is saying.

    One is narrow-minded and the other would have you a closet bigot to the LGBT community. Heck of a corner to be in.

    February 15, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      MarkFMR, who are you directing your comments too?

      February 16, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  3. Reality

    No resurrection, and therefore no Christianity and therefore no priests and no evangelicals- evolution of the mind continues!!!

    No Gabriel and therefore no Islam -evolution of the mind continues!!!

    February 14, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, explain then, why there are still many varieties of apes and monkeys still in existence today?

      While you are explaining the above question, do you know how the theory you love came to be?

      February 16, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Something

      HeavenSent,

      "why there are still many varieties of apes and monkeys still in existence today?"

      This shows that you don't know how evolution works.

      For example, camels and llamas share a common ancestor millions of years back. I guess, with your understanding, you would say, "If we have llamas, why are there so many camels today?" Humans share a common ancestor with apes MILLIONS of year back.... a related species, as shown by body structure, function, DNA, etc.... that's all.

      We developed ALONGSIDE apes throughout history... not FROM them.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Reality, explain then, why there are still many varieties of apes and monkeys still in existence today? While you are explaining the above question, do you know how the theory you love came to be?

      You are completely and totally ignorant of what the theory of evolution states. I would suggest independant research in science texts then listening to people who are deliberately lying to you.

      Yes, they are lying to you. You'll find out if you decide to read a book or two on the subject.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @HeavenSent,
      "... explain then, why there are still many varieties of apes and monkeys still in existence today?"
      The US was originally populated by the British, yet there are still British today. Why is that?

      February 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  4. Mark from Middle River

    Reality – ...Aww come-on dude. I was sorta waiting to see your "shock and awe" post on this one. You held back, I wonder why? You had your normal anti-Faith cut and paste but you didn't really say that H.S. was really wrong in his line of thought.

    Please do not tell me you have a bit of issue with those who are LGBT?

    February 14, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's nice to skip over posts.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  5. Muneef

    Boy with seven limbs:
    Are those signs to mankind from God to mean some thing or nature telling us that there is some thing wrong with the way we are living,the medication we take,the pollution and corruption to fresh clean air to breath,earth we feed from,pure clean drinking waters from (rain,rivers,springs,groundwaters),salt waters (seas and oceans).
    What do we expect in return but to change with it from generation to other.
    Thank you God for that you gave us and made us realize how lucky we were tobe normal and no one pointing and laughing at while you cry your life out as the boy in the picture...may God have mercy on his soul.Although not sure he a has a soul or Two??
    (http://www.emirates247.com/boy-with-seven-limbs-1.354528#add-comment).

    February 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      Maneef.. if the best that a god can do is a make some kid have 7 limbs. as a sign that he is upset, and that he allows a young girl to be beaten to death by order of an imam in Pakistan.. I expect you are already on the phone drumming up support to have your religion chastised and to attempted transfer into the 21 st century....you have serious issues i'm afraid.

      February 14, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
    • Muneef

      E.DNA.
      Not sure what you are talking about all I said signs of some thing wrong corruption pollution .....you do not like it forget it...

      February 15, 2011 at 6:20 am |
    • CatholicMom

      Muneef,

      Evolved DNA has a right to respond to your very ‘unMuneef’ comment about the boy…saying you are not sure if he has a soul or two. Just as a human being to another…you are heartless. Are you possessed?

      Do you think because you have a perfect body and that no one could point fingers at you and laugh….that you are more precious in God’s eyes than that little boy? Do you not have some cross to bear? When you do suffer anything….loss of a loved one, loss of a job, become sick….do you say, ‘May God have mercy on my soul?’ Where does this kind thinking come from? What has caused you to let leave of common decency? And then to try to ‘cover up’ with ‘I only said something about pollution’…..
      Only a bully would comment as you did………………

      February 15, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
  6. Reality

    One wants to pu-ke when reading about these "priestly" lowlifes !!!. And it should hasten the following:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life e.g. DO NO HARM!!!. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

    February 14, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, carnal sin of those that believe in listening to their flesh while housed in human form, living on this earth.

      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6).

      Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9).

      You rebuke the proud, the cursed, who stray from Your commandments.

      No matter who you are, you are cursed if you do not follow after God's word. Thus, it is eternally important to love correction, as Proverbs asserts,

      For the commandment is a lamp, and the law a light; reproofs of instruction are the way of life. (Proverbs 6:23).

      Cease listening to instruction, my son, and you will stray from the words of knowledge. (Proverbs 19:27).

      This is what the false Christian world has done. They have strayed from the words of knowledge (2 Timothy 4:3; 2 Peter 2:18), and followed after a broad path that leads to hell (Matthew 7:13-14). In opposition to a wide path, is the theologically narrow way that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). How narrow? In the very context in which Christ warned about the broad way (Matthew 7:13), He ended His sermon with this warning.

      Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall. (Matthew 7:24-27).

      In the context in which Jesus spoke these words (Matthew 5:3-7:23), He preached about contriteness, mourning, meekness, hunger, thirst, purity, peace, persecution, anger, divorce, adultery, oaths, love, giving, prayer, forgiveness, fasting, possessions, needs, worrying, judging, rebuking, seeking, false prophets, etc.. Do you see any "non-essentials" in there? Christ makes no distinction concerning any of the many matters He addressed in His sermon. For Him, it all matters eternally. Because, the Lord describes in a very picturesque way, life or death and heaven or hell for those who hear His words and either do them or do not do them. Christ placed an eternal importance upon all that He said, as Proverbs instructs,

      My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:20-22; see also Proverbs 8:35 & 16:22).

      My son, let them not depart from your eyes, keep sound wisdom and discretion; so they will be life to your soul and grace to your neck. (Proverbs 3:21-22).

      Revelation likewise affirms,

      Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14).

      Those who keep God's word are those who have the right to the tree of life. In other words, they are the ones who will be granted salvation. The dividing line between those who are saved and those who are not is the Bible itself. If someone truly believes in the Scripture, they are believing in Christ, because Christ is the Scripture (John 1:1, 14; Galatians 3:8; Hebrews 4:12-13; Revelation 19:13); and they will obey Him, as John the Baptist said,

      He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. (John 3:36, see also 1 John 2:3-5).

      Believing in Jesus is identical to believing in and obeying the Bible. 2 John likewise declares,

      Most people are either pagans, lost in some false religion, or false Christians caught on the broad way (Matthew 7:13-14; 2 Timothy 4:3). Most people have not even found the narrow way, the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2). Yet, Christ warns even those who have found the narrow way with these words:

      Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. (Luke 13:24).

      February 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Reality

      Thum-p on and on "HeavenSent", your thum-ps continue to fall of deaf ears because actions scream out, words only whimper especially ones that are mostly embellished words or simply made up. Said words were written by P, M, M, L and J and never said by your hero, the simple, preacher man aka Jesus. Bottom line, you are "Pauletaler" so come to grips with it.

      February 14, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, you prove what the ego of man is capable of. Therefore, if all men and women, other than you and all the other non-believers out there in la-la-la had you own way, ripping the government apart because you don't like what it stands for, the laws (you don't like them either), school systems (dislike), right from wrong (forget this rule), let chaos reign supreme (yeah, yeah, yeah ... we can go with that one), bow to you and your not believing in anything except for what you call common sense (which is His wisdom ripped off directly from the Bible by the way, but you nonnies won't buy that) ways. What about folks that drink and are of control? Do drugs and are out of control. Let their egos reign and manipulate others ... being out of control? Out of control? Out of control? Out of control? Chaos ruling supreme!

      You know the basics of life because of Christianity or any other religion that zoomed by your gray matter whether you believe it or not was taught to you. Taught to you and all your other non-believing buddies out there. If you didn't learn it from religion, then why do you know it? TV? Radio? Music? Art? Theatre? Movies (who ran Hollywood? Oh, Jewish folks that believed in the Torah ... aka the Old Testament of the Bible and put His messages in every movie they made while you grew up)? I can go on and on, but I'm sure you get my drift.

      So, where is the manifesto of rules and regulations by you non-believers?

      Oh, I forgot, no rules, no work ethics, no working on a book to prove anything but let chaos and evil run supreme.

      LOL.

      February 15, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, my other post to you was blocked. Here's the condensed version ...

      Funny you mention our Lord's truth as your own ... written 1000s of years ago, about non-believers such as yourself...

      "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!" Matthew 11:12; Mark 4:9.

      "But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts." Zechariah 7:11-12.

      Amen ... the rest was blocked by the Mod Squad.

      February 15, 2011 at 1:15 am |
    • LJ

      HS the problem with your argument with Reality is that there are supposedly millions of Christians on this planet but there are still children in orphanages, starving people, homeless, and neighbors not helping neighbors. Christians such as yourself can continually preach the scriptures declaring what you believe to be true but in actuality, you are not living by those truths. If good Christians were actually truly taking the bible to heart, they would be more involved in their communities, setting the example that Christ ask of them. The out of control that you speak of is everywhere in religion, the proof is in the elaborate churches, the greed of those organizations including their members, while those in need in our society suffer. You can put the blame on the non-believers all you want but the reality is Christians are not putting themselves into action.

      February 15, 2011 at 10:59 am |
    • Bob.

      > Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6).

      So what?

      > Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9).

      So what?

      > You rebuke the proud, the cursed, who stray from Your commandments.

      So what?

      > For the commandment is a lamp, and the law a light; reproofs of instruction are the way of life. (Proverbs 6:23).

      So what?

      > Cease listening to instruction, my son, and you will stray from the words of knowledge. (Proverbs 19:27).

      So what?

      > This is what the false Christian world has done. They have strayed from the words of knowledge (2 Timothy 4:3; 2 Peter 2:18), and followed after a broad path that leads to hell (Matthew 7:13-14). In opposition to a wide path, is the theologically narrow way that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). How narrow? In the very context in which Christ warned about the broad way (Matthew 7:13), He ended His sermon with this warning.

      So what?

      > Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall. (Matthew 7:24-27).

      So what?

      > In the context in which Jesus spoke these words (Matthew 5:3-7:23), He preached about contriteness, mourning, meekness, hunger, thirst, purity, peace, persecution, anger, divorce, adultery, oaths, love, giving, prayer, forgiveness, fasting, possessions, needs, worrying, judging, rebuking, seeking, false prophets, etc.. Do you see any "non-essentials" in there? Christ makes no distinction concerning any of the many matters He addressed in His sermon. For Him, it all matters eternally. Because, the Lord describes in a very picturesque way, life or death and heaven or hell for those who hear His words and either do them or do not do them. Christ placed an eternal importance upon all that He said, as Proverbs instructs,

      So what?

      > My son, give attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart; for they are life to those who find them, and health to all their flesh. (Proverbs 4:20-22; see also Proverbs 8:35 & 16:22).

      So what?

      > My son, let them not depart from your eyes, keep sound wisdom and discretion; so they will be life to your soul and grace to your neck. (Proverbs 3:21-22).

      So what?

      When will you people learn that anything that cannot be demonstrated to be true has 0 value in determining what reality is.

      Revelation likewise affirms,

      Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14).

      Those who keep God's word are those who have the right to the tree of life. In other words, they are the ones who will be granted salvation. The dividing line between those who are saved and those who are not is the Bible itself. If someone truly believes in the Scripture, they are believing in Christ, because Christ is the Scripture (John 1:1, 14; Galatians 3:8; Hebrews 4:12-13; Revelation 19:13); and they will obey Him, as John the Baptist said,

      He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. (John 3:36, see also 1 John 2:3-5).

      Believing in Jesus is identical to believing in and obeying the Bible. 2 John likewise declares,

      Most people are either pagans, lost in some false religion, or false Christians caught on the broad way (Matthew 7:13-14; 2 Timothy 4:3). Most people have not even found the narrow way, the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2). Yet, Christ warns even those who have found the narrow way with these words:

      Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. (Luke 13:24).

      February 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Reality

      "Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]

      Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

      February 16, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      LJ, I live by His truth. As far as the existence of children in orphanages, starving people, homeless, and neighbors not helping neighbors. I know I as well as other true Christians that read the Bible do what we can to help. I also rescue animals, help the elderly, feed those that need assistance. I also do my best for those around me that need assistance. I just had my neighbor's 7 year old over all day and most of the evening because she was sick and her mom needed to go to work. I never charge her for my taking care of her child.

      Then we there are those Christians that have never read the Bible in their lives and only listen to those that preach in their churches, or not attending church at all. They're just the same as non-believers except they don't gripe about Christianity the way you folks do. Maybe it could be they believe your non-believing ways now, or just don't want to get involved with all the craziness of the different sides in this debate, hence, not really being involved in all the horrors done to man by man in the world. It's anyone's guess? Who knows. All I know is a many folks that do read the Bible, or not, do what they can, when they can, which includes yours truly.

      February 16, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Sorry for the typos in the previous post. I got a phone call from a friend and didn't erase what I previously typed to completion.

      Just another Christian friend asking for my help. Ironic timing. Would you agree that God does work in mysterious ways.

      SMILE.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • LJ

      HS the point is there are many that have disagreed with you that have clearly stated they read the Bible; they have read it front to back several times. The people that you are dis-missing as griping about Christianity are trying to show that the churches have gone off course and the proof is all the cor-rup-tion do-cu-mented in history.
      You are also forgetting that where two or three come together in his name, then he is with them so Christian do not have to attend a physical church to worship. You don’t know me at all but already you have labeled me in your mind. I am sure if I were to meet you in pub-lic, you would not be so rude to me as you have in this forum. Then after I was to tell you my story, you probably would want to be friends with me. Your assumptions about others are dan-ger-ous and not Christian at all.
      The point to my post was not for you to list what you have or have not done but to point out we all could be doing more, you might know one neighbor but what about the rest?

      February 16, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Bob.

      > Sorry for the typos in the previous post. I got a phone call from a friend and didn't erase what I previously typed to completion. Just another Christian friend asking for my help. Ironic timing. Would you agree that God does work in mysterious ways. SMILE.

      First of all, don't you think it's a little odd that you attribute a phone call from your friend as "God's work". I mean, really? What isn't God's work. Furthermore, if you consider this an act of God, isn't that then God affecting your free will? I mean, do you really get to make a choice if God is influencing what you do?

      "Free will. It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground. No, I only set the stage. You pull your own strings." John Milton, aka Satan from the Devil's Advocate.

      I thought the quote was appropriate for the level of our conversation.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
  7. ryan

    @heaven sent
    Actually yes, i have read the bible multiple times in fact. However why should i regard the bible higher than any other religous book? examples include the torah, book of mormon, koran,or scientologist writtings etc. All of them say they preach the truth. (Personally i think its all a scam). but what makes your bible better than everyone elses?

    February 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ryan, my answer was blocked regarding why I read Jesus' truth.

      This site and it's moderators are bogus.

      February 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  8. tommas

    Hahaha, the thought of not sending their children to old men who can't have $- e- x with women never crossed their minds as an option. Guess that is the cost for childhood indoctrination (ie brainwashing)

    February 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tommas, I just wrote you and lost the data.

      Ok, here I go, again. Yes, there have always been men and women who follow the lies of satan. That too, is written in the Bible. They are called the tares.

      God destroyed the first earth age (called eons in the Bible) ...eons of time ... due to 1/3 of the angels rebelling against God and following Lucifer's lies (aka satan). Lucifer was a cherubim (an angel of the highest rank) that guarded God's mercy seat. I notice, how those that follow satan have NO MERCY towards their victims.

      Back to what Jesus told us (written in the Bible) ...

      Lucifer being blinded by the sin of Pride which is what we call ego today, felt he should be bigger and better than God. So Lucifer rejected (rebelled against) God and got 1/3 of God's angels to rebel (reject) against God too and follow him (Lucifer). God being jealous and of course angry over all of this, destroyed the first eon (1st earth age). We are all designed in His (God's) image, so of course we know how it feels when someone/anyone betrays us ... we become angry, bitter, etc. God was furious with Lucifer and 1/3 of His angels rebelling against Him so he destroyed the first earth age (eon)and all those that inhabited it.

      God created the world as we know it .. .again (eon) and allowed all the souls that were destroyed in the first eon (earth age) to come back to earth again, this time, being born of women. He erased all of our memories of Him and told us to believe in Him via FAITH. Allowed us to come to earth, being born in human form through woman (child birth), as His final test ... to love and follow Him (truth) and live spiritually, while here on earth ... then when we leave this world (aka die) our spirits go back to live with Him through eternity ... or love and follow satan (lies) which will kill our soul (spiritually dead) while living in human flesh as well as when they leave this earth (die) ... go back to Him ... to be judged by what we do on earth while in human form.

      I believe God has it built into life (see the 10 commandments), if someone disobeys Him (refuses to humble themselves, which means to shelf your ego) ... (refuses to love, respect and trust (have faith) to follow Him) and choose to follow satan ... God will then spin that person through sin (due to using your own free will to sin) one sin, after the other sin. All sin blinds the sinner. All sin is against the law of God (as written in His letter to us ... the Bible).

      February 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • tommas

      HS, a lot of words but nothing really said (except spewing you interpretation of mythology). This last part I like though: "God will then spin that person through sin (due to using your own free will to sin) one sin, after the other sin." So if gods "spinning" people then that would defeat the purpose of free will to begin with. Then we are just gods puppets and who cares about anything (including your personified deity for that matter) .

      Please, I beg of you pick up another book.

      February 14, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • tommas

      One last thing, you need to change everything you say in this regard, "Back to what Jesus told us (written in the Bible) ", to what someone told someone what jesus told us.... god did not write the bible.

      February 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • NL

      HeavenSent-
      "Lucifer being blinded by the sin of Pride which is what we call ego today, felt he should be bigger and better than God."
      What does it say about God's ego that he treat those who have the audacity simply to reject him so horribly?

      February 14, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @HeavenSent

      Here's a news flash for you: There is no Satan. Satan was invented by men, because they felt "funny" worshipping a god that had just devastated a village of good people via a flood. They didn't want their god to be the one who did evil. So, Beelzebub was born.

      Consider: You believe god is all knowing. Yes?

      You believe god is all powerful. Yes?

      You believe everything written in the bible is true. Yes?

      You believe Satan is at least as intelligent as your average human. Yes? You believe Satan can read? Yes?

      Do you think Satan ever read the part, in the King James, where he loses the battle against god?
      Who, more than a fallen angel, would believe/know god was omniscient? Not to mention omnipotent. That would have been a stumbling block to any coup attempt. Right?

      So, rebellion would have been dumb of Satan and his band of angels. God would have said, "You will lose and you will lose your health insurance." End of rebellion, I think.

      These stories are fiction. Do you see that? What ent ity would rebel against an all powerful, all knowing god? You couldn't even sneak up on Him. Sheesh! Use your brain, just a little.

      Cheers!

      February 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @HeavenSent

      Declaring that there is a god and that, that god had a son with a human, who is the redeemer of all mankind, is an extraordinary claim, indeed!

      If this claim is to be believed, should there not be extraordinary evidence to back up the claim?

      Doesn't god strongly desire everyone believe He exists and Jesus is His son?

      Instead, all the evidence points to the entire notion of a god and a virgin and a redeemer as being bogus.

      If I told you I had fairies living in my left shoe, would you take it on faith that I was being truthful? Or, would you ask for proof?

      As you read your King Jimmy, THINK! Think about whether what you are reading is likely, or is B.S. Did a snake talk? Did all those animals fit on a boat? Did god get him some? Did Jesus predict He would be back in the first century and then not show up for 2000+ years?

      The entire New Testament is propaganda for Jesus being the Messiah and the Son of God. There is no mention of Jesus in any secular writing, that is not suspected of being a later insertion or hearsay.

      There is no eyewitness testimony of Jesus. Some question that he ever actually existed. Nothing was written about Jesus until about 25 years after he died.

      Many think Paul, not Jesus, was the "father" of most of the Christianity (Pauline Christianity) practiced today.

      Paul never, ever met Jesus.

      The stories in the Gospels, are similar to "gods" that preceded Jesus.

      Google: Krishna, Mithra, Attis and Horus. You will find similarities that will astound you.

      Read some Greek and Roman mythology. Gods having $ex/offspring with humans, was not unique to the Christian god.

      And, in case you missed it, the Jews were enjoying Roman Rule at the time the Jesus myth arose.

      Love and Prayers!

      February 14, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tommas, those were my thoughts that God spins people through sin. I learned this after non-believers destroyed my life (as I knew it).

      Peace.

      P.S. as for reading other books, now you are being silly. I have some 6 or 7 6 foot high ... bookshelves throughout my home stuffed with books that I have read. I can also sell you my text books on programming if you want (LOL). I love books. The Bible however, is the most fascinating book ever written. One of my professors had us program in scriptures from the KJV so students (back then and now) can run programs of questions as our final.

      February 14, 2011 at 10:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ryan, I just wrote you my answer to your question about why read the Bible and it was blocked.

      This site is so one sided and BOGUS.

      February 14, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Ok, here I go, again. Yes, there have always been men and women who follow the lies of satan.

      The bible was written by Satan to trick mankind. Prove me wrong.

      February 15, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tommas, I love to read psychology books too. I can go back with their theories and see it was already written in the Bible 1000s of years ago.

      Go figure. Different terminology folks, same concept.

      February 16, 2011 at 10:36 am |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      Do you believe in reincarnation….? It sounds like it here......

      February 16, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • Something

      HeavenSent,

      "I love to read psychology books too. I can go back with their theories and see it was already written in the Bible 1000s of years ago."

      You can read about it in writings/stories older than the Bible too... and in writings/stories from other cultures who never heard of the Bible. Basic human nature hasn't changed. So, some guys in the Middle Eastern desert noticed certain traits, so what?

      February 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  9. Bob.

    > I simply do not see heterosxl men going after boys. This sin certainly has to do with ones sxality!!!

    You simply don't understand the argument itself. There are ho-mosxuals who do not molest children. There are ho-mosxuals who do molest children. There are hetrosxuals who do not molest children. There are hetrosxuals who do molest children.

    Isn't the real beef with the sxual attraction to children? It sounds like you're trying to personally villify being g-ay, and thereby proving your magic book of silly incantations right. Problem is, the bible is demonstratably wrong and suggests nonsense such as "burning a dove" as a component to curing leprosy.

    February 14, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, seriously, if a man or woman acts on their carnal lust which is sin, that sin will blind the sinner. Jesus doesn't care if that person is green, pink or purple. They are still blinded by their sinful carnal lust of the flesh. That's what sin is ... human's being in the flesh, which is sinful, paying attention to fleshly urges which then prohibits them from focusing on His spiritual teachings.

      This is why he sent all of us a letter (the Bible) and told us to read it.

      Sin is breaking God's law. That's why he told us not to pay attention to the ways of the world (flesh bodies), to focus on Him and He will guide us through this test of His, called life.

      His guidance is spelled out in the Bible. Have you read it, and, if so, do you comprehend what He's written. Same with those priests! Have they even read His truth, and, if so, do they comprehend His truth? If anyone doesn't comprehend His truth, of course they can never apply His truth in their lives.

      Amen.

      February 14, 2011 at 6:03 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Bob, seriously, if a man or woman acts on their carnal lust which is sin, that sin will blind the sinner.

      HS seriously, you're quoting from a book that has been proven to be wrong. Furthermore, how can you believe in a book that claims zombies rose from the graves and yet, somehow, almost by magic, no historian ever recorded such an event.

      February 15, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, then are you saying that any adult that seduces a child is a predator?

      February 16, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, you and other non-believers are the only ones that believe His truth to be wrong. Go figure??? New concept? Noooooooooo.

      As far as what you call zombies, that book that you don't believe, refers to those without wisdom as the spiritually dead ... aka walking dead among us. Look in the mirror so as to prove this fact.

      February 16, 2011 at 10:33 am |
    • MarkinFL

      "Bob, then are you saying that any adult that seduces a child is a predator?"

      Heavensent, are you suggesting otherwise?

      February 16, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Bob.

      > Bob, then are you saying that any adult that seduces a child is a predator?

      Wow, that's out from left field. Try reading what I wrote again and think about it.

      > Bob, you and other non-believers are the only ones that believe His truth to be wrong. Go figure??? New concept? Noooooooooo.

      Where did I say that the entire book is wrong. I said aspects of it was wrong. The salient point is that you believe in something for no logical reason. I don't.. You say it's the truth, I say it's unsubstantiated.

      > As far as what you call zombies, that book that you don't believe, refers to those without wisdom as the spiritually dead ... aka walking dead among us. Look in the mirror so as to prove this fact.

      Oh, is this one of the things that was considered fact and then now is a "metaphor" once it's revealed how ridiculous it was.

      And no, you're wrong. I was referring to the following...
      27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
      27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

      Yeah, that's zombies dude.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
  10. ryan

    hey H.S.
    Do you beleive in the literal interpretation of the bible? Also are you saying all scientists butt heads with jesus? Just curous.
    Peace.

    February 14, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ryan, Jesus (who is God that came down to earth and walked among us in the flesh) sent us all a letter (the Bible) telling us how He wants us to live in this human form, while down on earth. He told all of us to read it. He did not send us down here to go solo. Ryan, have you read it? Most likely your answer is no.

      Yes, the Bible is the written truth from God, divinely inspired those men who followed Him ... who then penned His truth onto scrolls.

      It has taken years for those that follow Jesus to comprehend His truth, as written (generation after generation). Not what man wants to see, but what Jesus is explaining to us. Most of the Bible is understood, but there are a few scriptures that haven't been understood over the years, but, true men and women who follow Jesus' truth are trying to uncover these truths. Like science, it's a timely process and if we hurry the process due to our egos, does no one any good. We have to check and recheck ... and see if what we uncovered holds the test of time.

      For non-believers, you could care less. You neither believe in His truth, you never read His word, or if you do/did, you still haven't done any research or sought out those that have done research to comprehend His truth. With this said, you certainly aren't helping to uncovering the still unknown passes, as is written.

      Anything else?

      February 14, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ryan, I was typing too fast ... the last sentence the word is passages for "unknown passages", not my typo of passes.

      February 14, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • tommas

      HS, you have got to be kidding me. You do know the bible was written many, many years after the events happened by human beings. Then translated a few times after specific gospels were chosen over others.

      February 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      tommas, you keep researching your ratty sites built by non-believers who also want you to not believe in Jesus' Truth. Some day, you'll read the Bible all by yourself ... and then search the believers sites to see for yourself all the work they've uncovered of His word/truth.

      Until then, I will stay a believer and continue to research Jesus' truth ... check with those that have the latest info on what was discovered in His teachings, and you will continue on believing in the nonsense of man (aka others like yourself) as a non-believer.

      Peace.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:53 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      Heavensent. you see the reason that there are atheists.. because the crazy stuff that the religious believe, like you. There is an underlying obsession with S-E-X and death, and most certainly the catholic church is the most obsessed. But you like talking about carnal and flesh..all juicy religious words. I think your god only had one son, and he had to use a married, or engaged woman..depending on with religion you are.. but another mans wife in any case..you would think that god could have had is own woman..??

      February 14, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      EvolvedDNA, forget my answers ever being posted. CNN mod squad is ensuring my responses of His truth is being told.

      CNN, you are a bunch of heathens.

      February 15, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • HeavenSent

      EvolvedDNA, correction ... the NOT hearing His truth was left out of that post.

      I'm outta here ... it's ridiculous what these heathens that don't believe in Jesus post and don't post.

      What a waste of my time with you folks.

      February 15, 2011 at 1:58 am |
    • In Sane

      HeavenSent

      If the moderators here were really on the ball, they would be sending men in white coats your way as we speak. I sincerely worry about you (and our safety).

      February 15, 2011 at 2:11 am |
    • LJ

      "tommas, you keep researching your ratty sites built by non-believers who also want you to not believe in Jesus' Truth. Some day, you'll read the Bible all by yourself ... and then search the believers sites to see for yourself all the work they've uncovered of His word/truth." –

      You are implying that the believer sites are sites that only agree with your version of the truth and if they disagree with your version they are non-believers. You can see how that implies your ego is making the assumption that the sites are "ratty" even though they could be done by people who have studied the bible their entire lives and hold divinity credentials from prestigious schools. But, hey they don't know what they are talking about since they don't agree with your version of the truth.

      February 15, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • HeavenSent

      In Sane, if you ever figure out that Jesus' truth is positive thinking, which happens to be a better way of living, you're the one missing what most Christians try to explain. The rest of His truth, you will never comprehend, because you don't want to.

      LJ, I've read what many of the non-believers site have to say about Jesus' teachings and that of believer's sites. What's your point? You seem to want to stay where your kind belongs. That's fine. Stay closed minded along with the help of the closed minded mod squad here. I've been thrown off every closed minded site you folks own. All because carnal versus spiritually thinking in writing.

      February 16, 2011 at 10:05 am |
    • LJ

      HS you have probably been thrown off because your posts tend to come off as what is defined as cyber bullying. I am also wondering if you missed the lesson that emotional maturity is defined as: the ability to express one’s own feelings and convictions balanced with consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      If you have time, we are curious as to your answer to Ryan’s question, ‘Do you believe in the literal interpretation of the bible?’

      February 16, 2011 at 11:14 am |
    • Steve the real one

      LJ
      HS you have probably been thrown off because your posts tend to come off as what is defined as cyber bullying. I am also wondering if you missed the lesson that emotional maturity is defined as: the ability to express one’s own feelings and convictions balanced with consideration for the thoughts and feelings of others
      --------–
      Let me jump into this. Cyber bullying? Emotional Maturity? Excuse me but have you been reading any of the posts from SOME atheists? I will grant you that sometimes our responses (as Christians) have been emotionally charged but for you to make that claim against us and stay silent on about the other side is dishonest at the core!

      February 16, 2011 at 11:21 am |
    • LJ

      @Steve the real one They aren't claiming to be Christians like yourself that is why, don't you see the irony in that.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:39 am |
    • Steve the real one

      LJ
      @Steve the real one They aren't claiming to be Christians like yourself that is why, don't you see the irony in that.
      ------
      So Atheists can't be cyber bullies? Ridiculous!!

      February 16, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • LJ

      Steve in other posts HS used a maturity comment and HS also stated getting thrown out of other forums. The other people posting here have not made those statements so my comments were solely directed at this particular poster.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:50 am |
  11. HeavenSent

    The more folks focus on the Catholic Churches sins, the more these sins are focused on. Everyone should focus on them teaching Jesus' truth, book by book, scripture by scripture and not the ways of man (meaning, force them to stop teaching their way (of man). If we focus on them getting back to teachings Jesus' truth, then teaching Jesus' truth is what is going to happen.

    Do you want your glass to continue being 1/2 empty or do you want your glass glass 1/2 full?

    Freedom of choice folks (aka free will). Choose wisely what you want them to focus on.

    Amen.

    February 14, 2011 at 5:09 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @HeavenSent

      Hey H.S...

      Burying one's head in the sand on this issue, does not seem like a very good strategy, as it has been done for many years. Focusing the light on the problems that are inherent within the RCC, seems to me like a better strategy for getting the Church to make some changes.

      Doesn't mean you can't still 'also' focus on what you consider to be 'your' truth...or the teachings of Jesus as it is written in the Bible.

      Peace...

      February 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Peace2All, your shots against Jesus' teachings will not hold water (reminds me of the scripture about springs with no water) for this postings since we are discussing the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is based on the teachings of Jesus ... even though they split from His truth (See the books of Ezra and Nehemiah).

      Amen.

      February 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • LJ

      "The more folks focus on the Catholic Churches sins, the more these sins are focused on." It's too bad you don't practice what you preach since you seem obsessed with the ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity topics. Why is that...

      February 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @HeavenSent

      You Said; " Peace2All, your shots against Jesus' teachings"

      I had no intention of taking any kind of shots against jesus' teachings.

      And, the rest of your posting just didn't make any sense to me, given my assertions to you. I still state that to 'sweep this problem under the rug,' which (I am certainly open to being wrong here), seems to me is what you are advocating.

      You can still have jesus' teachings and... fix the darn problem of pedophilia within the RCC, and any other denomination.

      I believe, one of jesus' teachings was... "Go, and 'sin' no more." I think that this would be good teachings for the RCC to follow regarding being diligent concerning the protection of children, yes...?

      Peace...

      February 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Peace2All, first, I am not a Catholic. I am a practicing Christian. Two, I am tired of hearing about the evil sins of some Catholic priests. It's been in the news for years and it continues to circle and circle and circle around itself without resolving anything (you can thank attorneys for this). Throw those criminals that hide behind the clothe in prison, toss the key, and pay the victims what is due them and be done with the hiding of these monsters.

      What more do you want me to say than what I said above. If everyone keeps focusing on the problem, the problem continues. Some great resolution for everyone to continue to focus on the problem, the problem, the problem so the problem perpetuates!

      I am not an attorney, nor politician ... that wants this evil issue to keep roaring it's ugly head.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @HeavenSent

      Thanks for responding. I do believe that we have come to some agreement here.

      Peace...

      February 14, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      Is that how you resolve problems in your life….stop talking about the problem, stop trying to get it stopped, just stop thinking about it and then it is goes away? Some people who try that with their sins are still plagued by them because they have not repented…have not acknowledged them…
      Jesus Christ knew best what to do…He inst!tuted Sacraments for sanctifying us.

      The first thing is to acknowledge there is a problem and then ‘do’ something about it…trying to just forget it doesn’t help anyone. The Church is finding out who are the ‘evil doers’ and is sweeping them out of the Church, into the hands of the authorities, not under the rug.

      February 17, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • MarkinFL

      And they are doing it as fast as they are forced to do it by public exposure!

      Look up the term "pro-active".

      They only sweep out when they can't sweep under.

      February 17, 2011 at 10:36 am |
  12. Bob.

    > Open up the Bible and start with Genesis,

    Oh, you mean the book that has been proven wrong by several different fields of science?

    February 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, the only reason scientist don't agree with Jesus written word is because they don't know how to read Jesus truth. God reveals what he wants to reveal when folks love and follow Him. Do most of those in the science field love and follow Jesus? I don't think so. If they did love and follow Jesus, they'd be able to understand what is written. Once, they understand His truth, they can humble themselves and pray to Jesus who would guide them in what they are trying to uncover in this world. But, no. They butt heads with Jesus and that's why their discoveries are long in between the time consuming to uncover a bit of His truth.

      Believe me Bob, Christians know what has been uncovered by the different fields of science and how they correlate with scriptures in God's truth. I tried several times to post the list of scriptures versus what science has uncovered ... but the moderators block most of it. Maybe 2 or 3 made it on this site, the rest is refused.

      Talk about the sides being tilted towards the non-believer on this blog.

      February 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
    • Bob.

      > I tried several times to post the list of scriptures versus what science has uncovered ...

      What, you mean like washing your hands in running water? You have to read the whole thing. They not only claim that you need to wash your hands in running water (not even clean), but you also have to burn a dove to be considered clean.

      That's in Leviticus I believe. If God wanted us to know to wash our hands, why wouldn't he have left off the nonsense and stupidity?

      February 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm |
    • NL

      HeavenSent-
      "Bob, the only reason scientist don't agree with Jesus written word is because they don't know how to read Jesus truth."
      So, what do you see happening when scientists discover 'how to read Jesus' truth?' Do they make the evidence fit the scripture, or do they make the scripture fit the evidence?

      February 14, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Magic

      Bob,

      Wow... and this, for preventing leprosy:

      "Leviticus:
      [After completing several other superst!tious, hocus pocus practices, with lots of magic 7s]
      14 :49
      And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
      14:50
      And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
      14:51
      And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
      14:52
      And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
      14:53
      But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
      14:54
      This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall."

      I don't think that there is a drop of dove's blood in current antibiotics, which are quite effective in the treatment of leprosy.

      February 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm |
    • Magic

      p.s. Gives a whole new outlook on Dove soap, huh?

      February 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      NL, I've written this to you before ... true science and God's truth are in perfect harmony (aka fit perfectly). The King James version of the Bible is His words. Now, if you want to talk about the evil changes made to His words in the other editions of the Bible. I have nothing to do with that.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, since I have to think carnally to blog with the likes of you ... STUFF it.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:29 pm |
    • LJ

      HS "Bob, the only reason scientist don't agree with Jesus written word is because they don't know how to read Jesus truth. God reveals what he wants to reveal when folks love and follow Him. Do most of those in the science field love and follow Jesus? I don't think so. If they did love and follow Jesus, they'd be able to understand what is written. Once, they understand His truth, they can humble themselves and pray to Jesus who would guide them in what they are trying to uncover in this world. But, no. They butt heads with Jesus and that's why their discoveries are long in between the time consuming to uncover a bit of His truth." – Another assumption and judgment....keep going...

      February 15, 2011 at 9:02 am |
    • Bob.

      > Bob, since I have to think carnally to blog with the likes of you ... STUFF it.

      Yeah, I'd hate to have to make you think. That'd be a shame.

      February 15, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • LJ

      HS you do realize that there is a debate going on that King James was a ho-mo-s3x-ual.

      February 16, 2011 at 9:00 am |
  13. HeavenSent

    The Catholic church, like most of the churches today need to stop preaching the word of man and go back to what they are suppose to do, which is to teach the word of God (Jesus) scripture by scripture, book by book. Not this sprinkling in a scripture(s) here or there to make it look like they know something of Jesus' truth. Baloney. Open up the Bible and start with Genesis, scripture by scripture, book by book until they get to Revelations. For each book and chapter they start on, they should then have a question and answer time after the teachings so the folks in the congregation can ask questions, give their answers so as to sharpen their knowledge on Jesus' truth. Next weeks services, continue on with the chapter from the week before and so on and so forth. It should take a few years to get through the entire Bible and then they start over again ... starting with Genesis and finishing with Revelations. If they are clueless to what Jesus' truth is (which I'm sure they are) they can purchase a Companion Bible, along with a Strong's concordance that goes back to the Hebrew, Greek and other manuscripts.

    Enough of this nonsense of BIG EGOS erasing God's truth out of the churches so they can teach the ways of the world (that of man's).

    Amen.

    February 14, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • Anglican

      heaven sent. Is it your opinion that hom-ose-xuality is a choice made by those who are such?

      February 14, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      Anglican.. ho-mos-exu-allity is a choice in the same way that religion is a mental illness.

      February 15, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      The Catholic Church does not preach the word of man.

      The Catholic Church is the Mother Church from which you received any Truth that you may have if you claim Christianity as your belief system.

      Everything about the Catholic Church has the Scriptures from which it can point to as to why it teaches what it teaches. Scripture is not a matter of personal interpretation. Keep in the back of your mind as you read the Bible, though it be one that was rewritten for the protestors by a protestor, that at least the Scriptures that have not been changed and the Books that you still retain, were taken from the Catholic Church, who without Her, you would have no Bible today.

      We have Bible Study for parishioners but we do not take away from the Mass, a time of solemn worship of God, to hold classes. At Mass, the Priest gives a homily on the Scripture we HEARD. The Scripture says that we learn by HEARing, not by reading, and we must HEAR from someone who has been SENT.

      Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ was SENT by the Father. How was He sent? With power and authority. Jesus Christ told His Apostles that ‘as He was SENT so He was sending His Apostles’. So how were the Apostles sent out into the world?....with power and authority to teach and bring the Sacraments to us through the Church, the House of God, that Jesus Christ founded.

      Surely you do not believe that power and authority died with the death of the last Apostle.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:00 am |
  14. Anglican

    Hom-ose-xuality has nothing to do with pe-dop-hilia.(sp) Nothing at all.

    February 14, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anglican, that is called sins of the FLESH. All sin blinds the person who is sinning. No matter what the sin is and no matter who is sinning. Therefore, no matter who is sinning, they need to stop. Simply stop, so they can humble themselves which will STOP them from paying attention to the ways of the world (meaning to quiet their ego of what they know of man's way in this world) so they can read the word of Jesus' spiritual teachings, cover to cover, book by book, scripture by scripture. The more one reads His truth, the more they comprehend His truth. The more they comprehend His truth, the more they can incorporate His truth into their lives. Once a person does this, they become followers of His truth which is what we call Christians.

      Once they start reading His truth (Jesus' holy spirit will guide them by sending others that are proficient in His truth to them to guide them in to His spiritual teachings).

      Amen.

      February 14, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • Bob.

      The more one reads His truth, the more they comprehend His truth.

      I've read his "truth" several times. I always find the story about how he is given ointment that could feed many people interesting. He first dismisses the claim then in fact tells a story that has nothing to do with the point to distract people.

      It's hilarious!

      February 14, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
    • LJ

      @HeavenSent The problem with your posts is it probably hasn’t cross your mind that the holy spirit could be showing the truth about ho-mo-s3x-u@l-ity through the process of science and psychology. Numerous experts in their fields have proven it's not a m3nt@l disorder and it can't be voluntarily changed. You are seeing the bible through your personal experiences and interpreting it as your truth. There are religious leaders, pastors, churches and other Christians that don't believe it is a sin. They have allowed the holy spirit to open their minds to the truth's being presented. It also has been shown interpretation of the scriptures has changed over time by the examples given regarding sl@very, women's rights, etc. Your truth is not God's truth. If God was so against ho-mo-s3x-u@l-ity he wouldn't have created in n@t-ure since its’ been doc-u-mented in over fifteen hundred species having these types of rel@tion-ships. It's time to put the text into context and lay down your prejudice. Now prove me right by qu0ting more scriptures you don't truly seem to comp-re-hend.

      February 14, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      LJ, the problem with your post is that none of the folks you mentioned are God, but believe themselves to be mini-gods and by doing so stroke the egos of man and do not now, or maybe they never have abided in Jesus’ truth. They are a dime a dozen in the world. as 1 John 2:15 says, Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

      "For the wicked [man without God] boasts of his heart's desire; he blesses the greedy and renounces the Lord. The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God; God is in none of his thoughts." (Psalms 10:3).

      Proverbs 16:18 – Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

      Proverbs 26:12 – Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

      Isaiah 5:21 – Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

      Job 40:12 – Look at every proud man and humble him, crush the wicked where they stand.

      Psalm 119:21 – You rebuke the arrogant, who are cursed and who stray from your commands.

      Luke 16:15 – He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight.

      2 Corinthians 10:17 – But, "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

      2 Corinthians 10:18 – For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.

      John 5:44 – How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?

      Mark 9:35 – Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all."

      God said,

      Walk by the Spirit, and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. (Galatians 5:16).

      As a believer walks by the Spirit of God he will have self-control, since this is part of the fruit of the Spirit, and he will not have sinful bad habits, or addictions.

      If you do not fear the Lord, you will not depart from evil, and you will therefore reap the wrath of God, as it is written,

      I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity. (Isaiah 13:11).

      But, those who serve God out of fear, they shall have eternal life.

      The fear of the Lord leads to life, and he who has it will abide in satisfaction; he will not be visited with evil. (Proverbs 19:23).

      By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches and honor and life. (Proverbs 22:4).

      Second thing wrong with your posting is the word EXPERTS. There is no experts in the human flesh, only those that are focused and are good at what they do and have big egos to claim themselves as experts. God is the only EXPERT. If you and they got rid of your big egos, and learned that God is all (the alpha and the omega).

      1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

      2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

      3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

      4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

      5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

      2 Timothy 3:1-5

      Mmmh, which reminds me of another self proclaimed "expert" in the medical field (not mentioning names) years ago ... convinced the world that SIDS was a genetic condition in some families. Big lie that was believed by all men/women that went on for years until others in the medical community challenged his theory. Hence, due to this so-called big egoed expert’s lying so he could get his name written up in medical journals, making big money, his lie allowed thousands of women who murdered their children go unpunished for their evil deeds. So much for man made experts with big egos in our world..

      Big egos of the many false pastors, preachers, non-abiding Christians or religious leaders are ALL going against Jesus' teachings by stroking the ego of man.

      James 4:4 says,

      Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

      Jesus said,

      Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (Luke 6:26).

      Jesus also said,

      If you were of the world, the world would love its own. (John 15:19)

      The righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in those who walk by the Spirit. Galatians 5:16 says,

      I remind you and them again: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

      Those who walk by the Spirit do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. And what is the lust of the flesh? It is breaking the law of God. The deeds of the flesh are all contrary to the law of God, as Galatians 5:19-21 illustrates.

      Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

      All of these things are against the law of God. But, those who walk by faith, who walk in the Spirit, these are sons of God (Romans 8:14); and these are those who fulfill the righteous requirements of the law (Matthew 22:40; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:14). They do not covet (Exodus 20:17). They do not steal (Exodus 20:15). They honor their father and mother, etc. (Exodus 20:12). They live godly lives as a result of their trust in Christ (Romans 10:9-10; James 2:14-26).

      The real God warns He will reject for eternity!

      You reject all those who stray from Your statutes. (Psalm 119:118; see also Proverbs 1:20-32)

      Jesus warned on the day of judgment that He will say to many,
      depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness. (Matthew 7:23).

      And to those who failed to love His followers Jesus will declare,

      Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire. (Matthew 25:41).

      The true God commands,

      Walk as children of light . . . finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. (Ephesians 5:8-10).

      God condemns those who do not choose what is acceptable to Him, as it is written,

      Therefore, I will number you for the sword, and you shall all bow down to the slaughter; because when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not hear. But did evil before My eyes, and chose that in which I do not delight. (Isaiah 65:12).

      So will I choose their delusions, and bring their fears on them; because, when I called, no one answered, when I spoke they did not hear; but they did evil before My eyes, and chose that in which I do not delight. (Isaiah 66:4).

      Finally, God does not accept people who hold Him at arms length,

      Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48).

      This is why we need a Savior (Romans 3:23).

      Finally, LJ, if you and others can’t figure out, or in your case(s) don't care to know Jesus truth ... that these men and women are changing God’s truth by twisting and contorting His truth for those of man’s, you, as well as those you listed are blind, blind, blind.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anglican, it's called LUST of the flesh and blinds the sinner, no matter who that sinner is.

      February 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
    • Hockey_fan

      @Heaven Sent- you're doing a lot of typing but you sure aren't saying much, especially since you have shown you don't know what you're talking about. What you wrote about SIDS is ridiculous. What do you mean being wrong about it in the past lead to women not being held accountable????? A child who dies from SIDS was not killed, in fact the definition of SIDS is a child under the age of one dying for reasons that are unknown even after autopsy. SIDS is not shaken baby syndrome in case you're confused. maybe you should do some research before posting, and a healthy dose of REALITY wouldn't hurt you either.

      February 14, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hockey_fan, please search the info for yourself. There was a doctor who ignored a woman who's children (4 or 5 ) died while in her care. This doctor was out to prove that SIDS was heredity related and ignored the nurses that pleaded with him that this mother was killing her children. All of her natural children had listed sudden infant death on their death certificates. When her adoptive child also died in her care, then, and only then did they realize this woman was killing her children due to Münchausen Syndrome by Proxy (MSP).

      And that Hockey_fan is how everything in the medical field pertaining to SID got opened up to change.

      February 15, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • LJ

      @HS you are making some assumptions about other peoples spirituality because they don't fit YOUR definitions, that is why your posts don't hold any credibility. You can continue to post scripture but it is only showing you don't truly understand what you are posting since you lack critical thinking skills. You proved my point too, it's been shown that everything in the past that we knew about ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity was reported by prejudice and bigoted people – yes that includes religious people. The whole point is when views about a subject come from a place of prejudice they will always be blinded to the truth. What is so ironic is everything you continue to post actually applies to yourself but you are so blinded by your own ego you can't see it.

      February 15, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • LJ

      HS "but believe themselves to be mini-gods and by doing so stroke the egos of man and do not now, or maybe they never have abided in Jesus’ truth." Another assumption and judgment....keep going now....

      February 15, 2011 at 8:59 am |
    • HeavenSent

      LJ, I just responded to both your post, but because the Mod squad on here doesn't like my opinions being posted on this sight, they blocked it. But, your opinions being out of joint, is ok to be posted.

      February 16, 2011 at 7:16 am |
    • LJ

      HS my post get stuck in the filters and I adjust it accordingly. Again, you are making assumptions about me and passing judgments...keep going...again...

      February 16, 2011 at 8:56 am |
    • HeavenSent

      LJ, I doctored my response up and the mod squad still won't let it through.

      Therefore, you get to believe your propaganda, along with their help.

      February 16, 2011 at 9:46 am |
    • LJ

      Keep making more assumptions and passing judgments...you don't know what I believe.

      February 16, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      LJ, and you still haven't read what I've written you several times over while critiquing it the way Realty suggested because of the mod squad on this site. They've blocked several of my previous responses to you and others for that matter.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • LJ

      HS actually it's the Holy Spirit blocking it since what you are probably writing to me is not appropriate.

      February 16, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
  15. David Johnson

    @gerald

    I don't like your inference. Gays are no more likely to harm children, than are straight people.

    Consider, that men who are attracted to young boys are joining the Catholic Church, for the "perks".

    Pedophiles, occurring in BOTH straight and gay populations, should be screened out.

    Religious people often have a bias against gay people. They use the lie, that gays harm children, to make people hate and fear them. They use the same tactic by attempting to link Adult p_ornography with Child p_orngraphy.

    The Christian Right has taught this tactic to the Republicans.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it..." – Joseph Goebbels

    I play cards with a gay couple, every Friday. They are warm and funny. I would not hesitate to leave my child with them. They dislike people who would hurt children as much as I do.

    Cheers!

    February 14, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      David.. I think that is some thing that that Bill Donahue put out there to counter the words of Ra–pe and abuse. The response from the church on this whole issue has been appalling and the apologists are spinning this faster than a quasar. This episode, perhaps more than any other,shows that the godly are as infallible as those of us who understand true nature.

      February 14, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
    • gerald

      By the way Davey, I don't really care if you like it or not. I am not hear to tickle people's ears.

      I simply do not see heterosxl men going after boys. This sin certainly has to do with ones sxality!!! The detractors on this board seem to think it has more to do with one's religion or profession, ie. priesthood. Priests are actually less likely to offend than other groups. I stand by what I said even if it offends some who are close minded's ears.

      February 14, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • Luke

      gerald, you fool. Young girls are fondled by priests too. Boys are fondled often because s-ex-ually deprived priests have access to alter boys in closed quarters and have protection from senior members of the church. It has nothing to do with se-x-ual preference. You're simply making things up to make yourself feel better about your bigoted opinions, and you know it.

      February 14, 2011 at 4:03 pm |
    • Evolved DNA

      Gerald.. well we hear of young men maybe in their teens who have attacked and ra-ped elderly ladies. This is disgusting as an act of course, but i would not say they were se–x-ually aroused by the ladies. would you.. it has been mentioned it is a power thing where these guys are not able to function, or have respect in the life they are in. Any way whether you think it was ho-mo-sxals priest that did this the church did nothing to prevent it happening again.. they were more concerned about the image of the church.. now if that's. not pride ( I hear some say that was sin) what is.

      February 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Luke, please check your facts. There is how many priests in the Catholic denomination caught doing molestation of children (boys or girls)? Do you know how many priests this article, or all the articles are referring to? I don't. But, I'm sure someone on this blog will list factual numbers.

      With that said, your writing makes it seem like all Catholic priests are doing this and that simply, is NOT factual.

      Whether man (meaning women too) down on earth prosecutes these priests and locks them up, throw away the keys or not, they will be judged.

      10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

      2 Corinthians 5:10

      Amen.

      February 15, 2011 at 12:34 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Fanciful future judgments aside, these men need to be separated from the general population to protect the children NOW.

      February 15, 2011 at 9:21 am |
    • CatholicMom

      HeavenSent,

      You said, ‘There is how many priests in the Catholic denomination caught doing molestation of children (boys or girls)?’

      My comment is in regards to your calling the Catholic Church a ‘denomination’. The Catholic Church is the Mother Church….all that have their roots in Her are the ‘denominations’….the ‘derivatives’. It may be confusing to those who do not know much about Christianity and I just want to keep the Truth in the forefront wherever possible.

      February 16, 2011 at 10:25 am |
  16. gerald

    The number one change that needs to be made is screening out homsxls. The great majority of these incidents are homsxls in nature. The Church has updated the rules and hopefully the seminaries are abiding by the new rules.

    February 14, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
    • Luke

      Congrats Gerald, you win the dumbest comment of the day award. The only way to collect this honor is to post the most bigoted, ill-informed, hypocritical and inherently moronic phrase uttered. Have a lovely day.

      February 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • NL

      gerald-
      And, by your logic, school boards that have cases where teachers are caught having se.x with underaged students of the opposite se.x would do better to stop hiring straight teachers, right?

      February 14, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • LJ

      Wow Gerald, are you ignorant about ho-mo-s3x-ual-ity. You should look up the definition of pedo-phile. They are NOT the same thing.

      February 14, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Bob.

      > And, by your logic,

      Careful! You're in thin ice!

      February 14, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
  17. derp

    Wow, kids getting molested at a catholic churh. Who'd have thunk it.

    February 14, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
  18. chief

    what a crazy comment "The protesters say they are upset, but not surprised" .... WHY DIDNT THEY DO SOMETHNG BEFORE

    February 14, 2011 at 11:30 am |
    • Bob.

      What should they have done?

      February 14, 2011 at 12:02 pm |
    • gerald

      What are you doing to help chief? NOTHING other than ranting on message boards.

      February 14, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Shock, disbelief that these men are blinded by sin, conducting evil ways of the flesh. It's called traumatic stress as you hear about it, then post traumatic stress after hearing about the truth (reality) of a situation as it really is versus you thought was opposite (which is called denial).

      February 14, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  19. chief

    what a stupid remark.... 10 years ago the catholics denied it was going on.... in 10 more years hopefully there wont be any more crimes against kids.... but then again.... the whole church denies it anyway

    February 14, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Bob.

      My question is where are the criminal charges? Doesn't an organization's actions to assist or hide in the crimes of a few make them accomplises after the fact, and by law, a criminal organization?

      February 14, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • gerald

      Bob,

      Many have in fact been charged. But there is such a thing as statute of limitations. Ever heard of it? It is the primary reason that charges have been lacking while lawsuits have been granted in these cases.

      February 14, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • gerald

      By the way it should interest you to know that there have been over 38 million cases of such abuse in the US and not even a million offenders are in jail so this isn't just a problem with the Church.

      February 14, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Many have in fact been charged. But there is such a thing as statute of limitations. Ever heard of it?

      Ever heard of reading and understanding what someone is saying? An organization isn't an individual.

      February 14, 2011 at 4:55 pm |
  20. gerald

    The article says "they're still doing it. Yet the fact is the incidents in the report are over 10 years old and after all the changes that have been made.

    February 14, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • Bob.

      “The only thing that changed is that they’ve gotten more subtle about hiding these priests. They’re still doing it. They’re still hiding in the same way they always did,” said one activist.

      It's not the article saying it. It's reporting what an activist has said.

      And given the responses from the church in the last couple of days regarding "we shouldn't report these to the authorities" I'd wager that it is still going on.

      February 14, 2011 at 11:29 am |
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