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February 15th, 2011
10:38 AM ET

Nigeria's celebrity preacher wants to save your soul

Editors note: Every week CNN International's African Voices highlights Africa's most engaging personalities, exploring the lives and passions of people who rarely open themselves up to the camera. This week we profile Enoch Adeboye, one of the world's most influential spiritual leaders.

Dressed in simple trousers and a shirt and bowtie, Enoch Adeboye's modest appearance belies the enormous influence and power he wields.

The Nigerian pastor, known to his flock as "Daddy," is one of the world's most influential spiritual leaders. On any given night, he can draw more than a million to his service at Nigeria's Redeemed Christian Church of God.

His fervent sermons, coupled with his magnetic personality, have turned the Pentecostal church into one of the fastest-growing evangelical congregations across the globe.

Read the full story
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Africa • Nigeria • Pentecostal

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  1. shakey&flakeyllc

    From Nigeria, land of sharpies and frauds, comes another one, pushing the greatest fraud of all, religion.

    February 16, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
  2. Muneef

    Al-Araf sura 07:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Lo! my Protecting Friend is Allah Who revealeth the Scripture. He befriendeth the righteous. (196) They on whom ye call beside Him have no power to help you, nor can they help you, nor can they help themselves. (197) And if ye (Muslims) call them to the Guidance they hear not; and thou (Muhammad) seest them looking toward thee, but they see not. (198) Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant. (199) And if a slander from the devil wound thee, then seek refuge in Allah. Lo! He is Hearer, Knower. (200) Lo! those who ward off (evil), when a glamour from the devil troubleth them, they do but remember (Allah's guidance) and behold them seers! (201) Their brethren plunge them further into error and cease not. (202) And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. (203) And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy. (204) And do thou (O Muhammad) remember thy Lord within thyself humbly and with awe, below thy breath, at morn and evening. And be not thou of the neglectful. (205) Lo! those who are with thy Lord are not too proud to do Him service, but they praise Him and adore Him. (206).

    February 16, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
  3. Muneef

    Read the verse;
    (The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified)...!
    Meaning the People of the Sabbath who disagreed to Jesus way,supposedly had him Crucified as charged for being in war with God and messengers therefore causing Corruptions in the land.....?!
    Today the same story is repeated again and this time in the name of Muhammed,the Quran,the Islam,the Muslims they Muslims are being judged as corruptors and being treated by the existing islamphobia;
    (strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.) Arabs and Muslims were expelled from their lands starting with Palestinians and on till today by conflicts and wars..

    February 16, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
  4. Muneef

    Be Ready For Tomorrow...

    Al-Baqara sura 02:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths. But He will take you to task for that which your hearts have garnered. Allah is Forgiving, Clement. (225).

    Al-Baqara sura 02:
    Unto Allah (belongeth) whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth; and whether ye make known what is in your minds or hide it, Allah will bring you to account for it. He will forgive whom He will and He will punish whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. (284) The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers – We make no distinction between any of His messengers – and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying. (285) Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which it hath deserved. Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget, or miss the mark! Our Lord! Lay not on us such a burden as thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear! Pardon us, absolve us and have mercy on us, Thou, our Protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk. (286).

    Ta-Ha sura 20:
    And faces humble themselves before the Living, the Eternal. And he who beareth (a burden of) wrongdoing is indeed a failure (on that Day). (111) And he who hath done some good works, being a believer, he feareth not injustice nor begrudging (of his wage). (112) Thus we have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic, and have displayed therein certain threats, that peradventure they may keep from evil or that it may cause them to take heed. (113).

    Al-Room sura 30:
    Corruption doth appear on land and sea because of (the evil) which men's hands have done, that He may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return. (41) Say (O Muhammad, to the disbelievers): Travel in the land, and see the nature of the consequence for those who were before you! Most of them were idolaters. (42) So set thy purpose resolutely for the right religion, before the inevitable day cometh from Allah. On that day mankind will be sundered- (43) Whoso disbelieveth must (then) bear the consequences of his disbelief, while those who do right make provision for themselves – (44) That He may reward out of His bounty those who believe and do good works. Lo! He loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance). (45).

    Ghafir sura 40:
    The Exalter of Ranks, the Lord of the Throne. He casteth the Spirit of His command upon whom He will of His slaves, that He may warn of the Day of Meeting, (15) The day when they come forth, nothing of them being hidden from Allah. Whose is the Sovereignty this day? It is Allah's, the One, the Almighty. (16) This day is each soul requited that which it hath earned; no wrong (is done) this day. Lo! Allah is swift at reckoning. (17).

    Al-Jathiya sura 45:
    Whoso doeth right, it is for his soul, and whoso doeth wrong, it is against it. And afterward unto your Lord ye will be brought back. (15) And verily we gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favoured them above (all) peoples; (16) And gave them plain commandments. And they differed not until after the knowledge came unto them, through rivalry among themselves. Lo! thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they used to differ. (17) And now have We set thee (O Muhammad) on a clear road of (Our) commandment; so follow it, and follow not the whims of those who know not. (18) Lo! they can avail thee naught against Allah. And lo! as for the wrong-doers, some of them are friends of others; and Allah is the Friend of those who ward off (evil). (19) This is clear indication for mankind, and a guidance and a mercy for a folk whose faith is sure. (20) Or do those who commit ill-deeds suppose that We shall make them as those who believe and do good works, the same in life and death? Bad is their judgment! (21) And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned. And they will not be wronged. (22).

    Al-Muddaththir sura 74:
    Every soul is a pledge for its own deeds; (38).

    February 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • Reality

      What Islam brought us yesterday!! Who knows what acts of koranic-driven terror lurks tomorrow.

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat98,691 – 107,707
      Iraqi civilians killed as of 11/9/2010, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      February 16, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • Muneef

      These were of old back to Children of Israel, and from 1400 years ago it became to concern all the Three Abrahamic religions and faiths.   
      Al-Maeda sura 05:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. (32) The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; (33) Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (34) O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, and seek the way of approach unto Him, and strive in His way in order that ye may succeed. (35) As for those who disbelieve, lo! if all that is in the earth were theirs, and as much again therewith, to ransom them from the doom on the Day of Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful doom. (36) They will wish to come forth from the Fire, but they will not come forth from it. Theirs will be a lasting doom. (37) As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. (38) But whoso repenteth after his wrongdoing and amendeth, Lo! Allah will relent toward him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (39) Knowest thou not that unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth? He punisheth whom He will, and forgiveth whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. (40).

      February 16, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
  5. doctore0

    Perfect match: Nigeria + Religion

    February 16, 2011 at 2:59 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Not to sound offended, but what exactly do you mean?

      February 16, 2011 at 9:24 am |
  6. TheRationale

    How many thousands of years is it going to take people to figure out that religion is most clearly not the answer to their problems?

    February 15, 2011 at 9:22 pm |
    • Anglican

      I agree. Religion no, God yes.

      February 15, 2011 at 9:26 pm |
    • ScottK

      @Anglican – I'm all for people soul searching and meditating to find their personal spiritual side/guide. Its when most religious people out there claim to have the "truth" about God and believe the only way to him is through a certain sanctioned religion that I get turned off.

      February 16, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
  7. HotAirAce

    This guy is just the latest charlatan pushing his brand of manmade nonsense. His time will pass, as is the time for all religion and supernatural beings.

    February 15, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
  8. Muneef

    Fussilat sura 41:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Say (O Muhammad, unto the idolaters): Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds. (9) He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask; (10) Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient. (11) Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower. (12).

    All the science that human knowledge has reached about the creation of the universe,heavens and Earth is nothing but a drop of water out of an oceans of knowledge that human science yet not has yet reached !!
    (http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/aqeedah-methodology/aqeedah-ahle-sunnah-wal-jamaah-316)
    "Say (O Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) to mankind). 'If the sea were ink for (writing) the Words of my Lord, surely, the sea would be exhausted before the Words of my Lord would be finished, even if we brought (another sea) like it for its aid.'" [Surah al-Kahf 18:109 – interpretation of the meaning]

    And He also says:

    "And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Verily, Allah is AllMighty, AllWise." [Surah Luqman 31:27 – interpretation of the meaning]

    As-Sajda sura 32:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    Allah it is Who created the heavens and the earth, and that which is between them, in six Days. Then He mounted the Throne. Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator. Will ye not then remember? (4) He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon. (5) Such is the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, the Mighty, the Merciful, (6).

    Al-Hajj sura 22:
    And they will bid thee hasten on the Doom, and Allah faileth not His promise, but lo! a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon. (47).

    The question here is;
    Was the whole creation made at seven days of God dates or of what we reckon??
    Seven Days or Seven Thousand Years?  
    Al-Hajj sura 22: a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon. (47).
    As-Sajda sura 32: He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon. (5).

    Can science with all it's mathematics work out what those trying to explain by time difference?
    Al-Maarij sura 70:
    In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
    A questioner questioned concerning the doom about to fall (1) Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel, (2) From Allah, Lord of the Ascending Stairways (3) (Whereby) the angels and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years. (4) But be patient (O Muhammad) with a patience fair to see. (5) Lo! they behold it afar off (6) While we behold it nigh: (7).

    February 15, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Reality

      And the koranic-based drivel continues on and on and on and on and on and on!!!!

      February 15, 2011 at 5:43 pm |
    • ScottK

      "The question here is;
      Was the whole creation made at seven days of God dates or of what we reckon??
      Seven Days or Seven Thousand Years?
      Al-Hajj sura 22: a Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon. "

      Um, you do realize that reliable science has shown the earth to be about 4.5 billion years old right? You are trying to disprove the "God made the heavens and the earth in 7 days" myth by replacing it with the equally silly "Allah made it in 7 thousand years" but are missing the other 4.499999 billion years of earths history and completely off of the nearly 14 billion years our universe has existed. Or maybe you have another scripture that says a day is but 2 billion years to Allah...

      February 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Muneef

      ScottK.

      Who spoke about how old the earth is? All was mentioned that universe and earth God has created within a frame of Seven Days of God time which said to be equivalent to 7000 years of our Earthly Time! So what has that to do with the Age of it's Existance from date created till today? Guess you went far from what my comment was aiming at....!

      HotAirAce.
      Thanks man for your welcome and sweet words of me and all believers in God...(Intentions & Deeds)...

      February 16, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Muneef

      You are welcome! Good to see that your are starting to the see the truth of my simple message – there are no gods, not even just one.

      Have you and islam renounced marrying off 10 year old girls, provided they are "ripe" of course?

      February 16, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • ScottK

      "All was mentioned that universe and earth God has created within a frame of Seven Days of God time which said to be equivalent to 7000 years of our Earthly Time! So what has that to do with the Age of it's Existance from date created till today?"
      Are you for real? If you are a muslim "operative" attempting to discredit Islam and religion by your comedic reply's then I applaud you. If you really thought that sentence made any sense then let me spell out the equation.

      Your book says:
      1 day God time = 1000 years
      God made our Universe in 7 God days = Universe created in 7000 years
      God created man on the 6th day aka 6000 years after he created the universe

      Science says:
      The universe is 14 billion years old
      The earth is 4.5 billion years old

      By your math Man has existed for at least the last 4.9999 billion years since he was created so early in the universes history. Or are you claiming that there might have been a few billion years thrown in between "God days" which streches things out a bit, but still means he would have had to create all the stars in the heavens within 1000 years, then all living creatures on land, in the air and in the sea within 1000 years. Pretty small block of time to get everything done and then take 2-3 billion years off in between.

      I'm a bit sorry I even reply'd to your first post, and can't believe i'm spending time replying to your second, since its obvious you are an islamic n u t that has a hard time putting 2 & 2 together.

      February 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • ScottK

      correction "By your math Man has existed for at least the last 4.49999 billion years"

      February 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Muneef

      ScottK.

      Well seems as you already judged your self as super intelligence above all people,then truly no need to discuss any thing since as seems your mouth drips Honey to fellows,it is too sweet for me to tolerate...
      Any way mankind was last of God's creation as Earth was inhabited by Jinn for billions of years before man was last created to inhabit Earth...so mankind was not created within the Six days that universe was created within...Peace.

      February 16, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
    • Muneef

      ScottK/HotAir?

      Al-Araf sura 07:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      Lo! my Protecting Friend is Allah Who revealeth the Scripture. He befriendeth the righteous. (196) They on whom ye call beside Him have no power to help you, nor can they help you, nor can they help themselves. (197) And if ye (Muslims) call them to the Guidance they hear not; and thou (Muhammad) seest them looking toward thee, but they see not. (198) Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant. (199) And if a slander from the devil wound thee, then seek refuge in Allah. Lo! He is Hearer, Knower. (200) Lo! those who ward off (evil), when a glamour from the devil troubleth them, they do but remember (Allah's guidance) and behold them seers! (201) Their brethren plunge them further into error and cease not. (202) And when thou bringest not a verse for them they say: Why hast thou not chosen it? Say: I follow only that which is inspired in me from my Lord. This (Qur'an) is insight from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy for a people that believe. (203) And when the Qur'an is recited, give ear to it and pay heed, that ye may obtain mercy. (204) And do thou (O Muhammad) remember thy Lord within thyself humbly and with awe, below thy breath, at morn and evening. And be not thou of the neglectful. (205) Lo! those who are with thy Lord are not too proud to do Him service, but they praise Him and adore Him. (206).

      February 16, 2011 at 7:19 pm |
    • Muneef

      Earth after created was inhabited by Jinn who were a nation created from fire and Ablees(Satan)was one of them...
      Then when they have corrupted and were punished by God,for which God created Mankind to inhabit earth but was rejected by Ablees (Satan) who said you created me from fire and created him from mud....
       
      Al-Anaam sura 06:
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
      There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered. (38) Those who deny Our revelations are deaf and dumb in darkness. Whom Allah will He sendeth astray, and whom He will He placeth on a straight path. (39).

      Hud sura 11:
      And there is not a beast in the earth but the sustenance thereof dependeth on Allah. He knoweth its habitation and its repository. All is in a clear Record. (6) And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days – and His Throne was upon the water – that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. Yet if thou (O Muhammad) sayest: Lo! ye will be raised again after death! those who disbelieve will surely say: This is not but evident magic. (7).

      Hud sura 11:
      Beside Him. So (try to) ci-rcu-mvent me, all of you, give me no res-p-ite. (55) Lo! I have put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Not an animal but He doth grasp it by the forelock! Lo! my Lord is on a straight path. (56).

      Al-Noor sura 24:
      Allah hath created every animal of water. Of them is (a kind) that goeth upon its belly and (a kind) that goeth upon two legs and (a kind) that goeth upon four. Allah createth what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. (45) Verily We have sent down revelations and explained them. Allah guideth whom He will unto a straight path. (46).

      Ar-Rahman sura 55:
      Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (13) He created man of clay like the potter's, (14) And the jinn did He create of smokeless fire. (15) Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny? (16).

      Al-Araf sura 07:
      And We have given you (mankind) power in the earth, and appointed for you therein livelihood. Little give ye thanks! (10) And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration. (11) He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud. (12) He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded. (13) He said: Reprieve me till the day when they are raised (from the dead). (14) He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved. (15) He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. (16) Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee). (17) He said: Go forth from hence, degraded, banished. As for such of them as follow thee, surely I will fill hell with all of you. (18).

      Sad sura 38:
      When thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire, (71) And when I have fashioned him and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him prostrate, (72) The angels fell down prostrate, every one, (73) Saving Iblis; he was scornful and became one of the disbelievers. (74) He said: O Iblis! What hindereth thee from falling prostrate before that which I have created with both My hands? Art thou too proud or art thou of the high exalted? (75) He said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire, whilst him Thou didst create of clay. (76) He said: Go forth from hence, for lo! thou art outcast, (77) And lo! My curse is on thee till the Day of Judgment. (78) He said: My Lord! Reprieve me till the Day when they are raised. (79) He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved (80) Until the Day of the time appointed. (81) He said: Then, by Thy might, I surely will beguile them every one, (82) Save Thy single-minded slaves among them. (83) He said: The Truth is, and the Truth I speak, (84) That I shall fill hell with thee and with such of them as follow thee, together. (85).

      Al-Jathiya sura 45: 
      These are the portents of Allah which We recite unto thee (Muhammad) with truth. Then in what fact, after Allah and His portents, will they believe? (6) Woe unto each sinful liar, (7) Who heareth the revelations of Allah recive unto him, and then continueth in pride as though he heard them not. Give him tidings of a painful doom. (8) And when he knoweth aught of Our revelations he maketh it a jest. For such there is a shameful doom. (9) Beyond them there is hell, and that which they have earned will naught avail them, nor those whom they have chosen for protecting friends beside Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. (10) This is guidance. And those who disbelieve the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful doom of wrath. (11).

      February 16, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @Muneef

      In the interest of saving you some time, and perhaps frustration because I do not reply tp many of your replies to me, I've tried to read and comprehend your "cut & paste" drivel several times, but have given up. I place it in the same bucket as the bible (one of which is currently in the hallway outside my hotel room with the dirty dishes) – at the best it is bad fiction and most likely it is just a load of crap. Quotes from books-of-silliness have no credibility with me.

      February 17, 2011 at 8:54 pm |
  9. Muneef

    Az-Zumar sura 39:
    If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He glorified! He is Allah, the One, the Absolute. (4). (http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=39&vid=4)
    (http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/39/4/default.htm)
    (http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=39&verse=4)

    February 15, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  10. JohnQuest

    Steve the real one, thank you, until we meet again. Peace

    February 15, 2011 at 4:42 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Peace to you JohnQuest! I'll be rooting for you!

      February 15, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
  11. JohnQuest

    Steve the real one, Faith and Belief are not synonymous. I believe those things because I can see, hear, taste them, I have direct knowledge of them. If God exist in the real world, then yes I will need at least enough proof of it as anything else that exist in the real world, If, however, God does not exist in the real world then no proof is possible or necessary.

    February 15, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      from wiki,

      Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, concept or thing

      Base upon that definition faith goes beyond belief! JohnQuest God does exist in the "real world:. I have no doubts.. have a confident belief that He does! "!

      Serious question for you, are you wiling to go to your grave with your belief or non-belief system? I am!

      February 15, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      Steve the real one, I have no choice, I can not force myself to have Faith in something I can not in good conscious believe. Faith also means "Without Question", I have questions religion and by extension the belief in a deity does not provide answers to. Science dose not provide all the answers either but it looks for the answers and more importantly, when science gives an answer you do not have to except it on Faith, you are required to test it, question it and verify it until you are satisfied that the answer is right (at least right as far as we know now, it may change as we learn more).

      February 15, 2011 at 4:23 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      JohnQuest,

      Your honesty is appreciated. I am not bashng you because you don't believe and you are not bashing me because do. My earnest prayer for you is that you keep seeking with a sincere heart. I cannot doubt your sincerity! That is not my place! I also pray that one day you meet the Lord! He has a habit of meeting those who sincerly seek him, right where they are and even with a truck load of questions! That is my prayer for you! Let's talk again!

      February 15, 2011 at 4:32 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Steve the real one

      You said: "Base upon that definition faith goes beyond belief! JohnQuest God does exist in the "real world:. I have no doubts.. have a confident belief that He does! "!"

      Your god is no more real than Santa. 1.5 billion people have faith that there is no god but Allah. Many are willing to blow themselves to bits, believing they will be rewarded in an afterlife. Now, that is faith!

      Faith without evidence is worthless. It can't even be proved that Jesus ever actually existed. LOL.

      Faith in of itself, is proof of absolutely nothing.

      Cheers!

      February 15, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      David Johnson
      Your god is no more real than Santa. 1.5 billion people have faith that there is no god but Allah. Many are willing to blow themselves to bits, believing they will be rewarded in an afterlife. Now, that is faith!
      --------------
      David Johnson,
      I am really surprised at your post. I never knew you felt that way. NOT! See the problem with what you stated is this:
      1. Folks wanting to blow themselves up, no problem
      2. Taking the innocent with them! Problem!
      3. I am certain and May God forbid, that some of these type head to your neighborhood you might not be so admiring of them
      4. The God I serve ALREADY sacrificed for me, no more need to shed blood!
      5. Believe as you see fit! No one can stop you but you!
      6. Deny God if you will! You will be deaing with that soon enough!
      7. Make fun of us all day and all night! Laugh it up David! It changes nothing!
      8. Have a nice day!

      February 16, 2011 at 8:59 am |
  12. JohnQuest

    CatholicMom. Although I do not agree with 90% of what he says, he does preach about sin, forgiveness, greed and even corruption (my wife, may she rest in peace, was a member of his church before she moved to the States).

    February 15, 2011 at 3:15 pm |
  13. CatholicMom

    The article mentions ‘fervent sermons’….without stepping on anyone’s toes? They wouldn't mention sin then, would they?

    February 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
  14. Normon

    Even if God himself said He didn't exist, I would not believe Him!

    ... huh? ...

    February 15, 2011 at 2:01 pm |
  15. JohnQuest

    Steve the real one, I think what you are saying is, no matter how much sense something makes you will not change your mind about God. You will not change no matter what anyone says or is able to proves you.

    February 15, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      The problem JohnQuest is none of you have proven anything! Yes you are correct no matter what you say! "no matter how much sense something makes". Does faith make sense to you? Most likely not as you debate it! Neither does what you present make sense to me!

      February 15, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • Reality

      To reiterate, some like Steve have an uncurable form of the Three B Syndrome aka Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Christianity.

      Maybe this will help:

      "John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

      The Situation Today

      Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed." – J. Somerville

      It is very disturbing that such religious fanaticism, violence and hatred continues unabated due to radomness of birth. Maybe just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

      February 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      Steve the real one, I understand Faith, it's believing something without evidence. I just don't think it applies to real life, are you going to have "Faith" in your doctor when she is treating your child, of course not (you want to see a degree or at least have knowledge that the doctor knows what she is talking about), if the technician working on your spouses brakes tell you that he doesn't know what he is doing but he has faith that he can fix them, are you going to your spouses life in his hands?

      February 15, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      JohnQuest

      Steve the real one, I understand Faith, it's believing something without evidence. I just don't think it applies to real life, are you going to have "Faith" in your doctor when she is treating your child, of course not (you want to see a degree or at least have knowledge that the doctor knows what she is talking about),
      ------–
      I do like this analogy. Question for you. You go to that doctor with that degree believing (faith) his skills match that degree! You talk to his/her customers and BELIEVE what they tell you about him/her (faith). You hear his skills are ragged and believe (faith) it the proof of that believe (faith) is you do'n't go to hoim. You hear that he is great and you believe it (faith) and you become his customer. You go to a restaurant, do you see the activities in that kitchen? Most of the time no yet you go not knowing the cook either. You eat there in FAITH! You believe it wil be a good meal, you believe(faith) you will not get sick. You believe that you ever glued that "A" rating on the door did there job! You put your keys in the ignition believing (faith) the car with start! We send our children to school believing (faith) they will come home safety! You exercise faith in something EVERY DAY!

      February 15, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Reality
      To reiterate, some like Steve have an uncurable form of the Three B Syndrome aka Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Christianity. Maybe this will help:
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      Sorry but this did not help your cause!

      February 15, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Sorry about the spelling! Apparently I have no faith in spell check!

      February 15, 2011 at 3:49 pm |
  16. Steve the real one

    News flash CNN! Pastor Adeboye cannot save souls and that would include his own. He can however (just as ALL Christians can) intoduce folk to Jesus who indeed can save souls!

    I see reality is still cutting and pasting! Sir, you have not convinced anyone yet but you don't give up! That is a bit admirable! Some Christians want to give up at the first sign of trouble. But not you, no Sir! You do need some new material though and the "cliff note" version of your posts would be appreciated as welll! Whaddaya say?

    February 15, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Reality

      Steve,

      The bible has been "thum-ped" upon us for up to 6000 years. To counter this, the truth will be thum-ped again and again.

      Some added thum-ping:

      It is called the Great Angelic Con:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;
      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.
      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty, wingie, thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      February 15, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Steve the real one

      You said: "Sir, you have not convinced anyone yet but you don't give up!"

      You don't know that Reality has not convinced anyone. If an onlooker, one who has not yet drank the Kool Aid, read his posts and decided god is a myth, he may well have told no one.

      That is my goal. To show onlookers the folly of belief in a man made god, before they become deluded.

      It's too bad god did make His existence more apparent. Everyone would believe. Isn't that what god desires? That everyone believe?

      Cheers!

      February 15, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Contemporary AND false. I am not concerned about the lying contemporary "scholars" you love to quote! Let God be true and every man (who opposes, disagrees) a liar! Can't get any more simplier than that. The results of you trashing true Christianity is not having the effects you desire. Many of us as belivers are using your words to actually strengthen our faith!

      February 15, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      David Johnson
      @Steve the real one
      You said: "Sir, you have not convinced anyone yet but you don't give up!"
      You don't know that Reality has not convinced anyone. If an onlooker, one who has not yet drank the Kool Aid, read his posts and decided god is a myth, he may well have told no one.
      ------
      Point taken David. I don't know. On the other hand neither do you! That kool aid free onlooker of yours is NOT a Christian!

      Let me tell you my goal! To show onlookers the folly of living without Christ, before they step into eternity! !

      Oh God does make His existence apparent (I see you used the word "more") It is evidence you refuse because it does not meet your "scholarly", worldly expectation! Yet you will be without excuse! The NT records Jews asking Jesus himself for a sign. They did not get a sign because they refused to believe in that sign (Jesus, Himself). You will never know God based upon scholarship , logic, or reason! Only Faith! Make fun of us all day long, it changes nothing! That is just the way it is. Yet as long as your heart beats, you still have opportunity! All up to you! Yes God desires all to believe and He also know all will not! For that very reason the Bible is clear when it say hell has enlarged herself! Sorry, you don't believe David but it is your choice! You will hear much more from me! I will present the Word of God, I will cut and paste the truth as found in the Bible! See you around the blog David! It is time for all God's people to get bold about their Faith! David, I am but one of many! We are concerned for your soul that is why it is time for boldness!

      February 15, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • Anglican

      Guys!! This is all about faith in God or not. We are called by God to follow Him in faith, not in proof. If there was "proof", there would be no need for faith. It is faith in God, not proof in God, that is the issue. If we do step out, and into faith, we will find proof, but not proof which can be scientifically measured. Peace to all.

      February 15, 2011 at 1:48 pm |
    • Bob.

      > Guys!! This is all about faith in God or not. We are called by God to follow Him in faith, not in proof. If there was "proof", there would be no need for faith. It is faith in God, not proof in God, that is the issue. If we do step out, and into faith, we will find proof, but not proof which can be scientifically measured. Peace to all.

      So you'll find proof that isn't actually proof. Good God that's silly.

      Faith has led billions of people to the wrong conclusion. How do you know your faith isn't leading you astray?

      February 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Anglican

      You Said: "Peace to all"

      Were you calling me...?

      Peace...

      February 15, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • Anglican

      Bob. I am as sure as I breath.

      February 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • ScottK

      @Anglican – "We are called by God to follow Him in faith, not in proof."

      Who called? I didn't get the message apparently or my vmail must be on the fritz... unless you mean the non-stop peer pressure that "believers" push on anyone who can't see through their thinly veiled drug of choice called "faith". It's an addictive substance, once you take that first leap you get hooked on that feeling of "knowing" your right even when there is no proof to back up what you believe.

      February 16, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
  17. Reality

    Enoch Adeboye,

    You are a victim of the Great Resurrection Con Game (or just maybe you are one of the many con artists in this field?). To the point:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    "Heaven is a Spirit state" as per JPII and Aquinas i.e. there can be no bodies. i.e. there was and never will be any physical resurrection/ascension of human bodies."

    And is it not ironical that JPII along with Aquinas are the ones who put meaning to the words "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is useless."

    February 15, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
  18. Reality

    Enoch Adeboye,

    You a victim of the Great Resurrection Con Game (or just maybe you are one of the many con artists in this field?). To the point:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    "Heaven is a Spirit state" as per JPII and Aquinas i.e. there can be no bodies. i.e. there was and never will be any physical resurrection/ascension of human bodies."

    And is it not ironical that JPII along with Aquinas are the ones who put meaning to the words "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is useless."

    February 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
  19. JohnQuest

    CatholicMom, That's not what he said, his neutrality was only mentioned in terms of "who to vote for", where did you get the rest of your comments?

    February 15, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      JohnQuest,
      I am just curious as to what he can talk about……if there are so many opinions that he must 'respect'…………if he speaks up about Truth in, say, abortion, won't he be siding with someone or against someone who holds the same opinion even without mentioning their political names?

      February 15, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
  20. CatholicMom

    Enoch Adeboye said, ‘No, when you have this kind of congregation, you have members of every party in the congregation and if you want to retain their respect for you, you must be neutral.’

    Was Jesus neutral? What did He say in Revelation….about being lukewarm? Did He not say He would start to vomit us out of His mouth if we are lukewarm?

    Yes, you may have many members of differing thoughts who come to listen…how do you respect yourself if you do not get off the fence and stand for Truth in all things?

    For instance…you may have some members of your congregation who say abortion is my choice…others may say it is not a choice….what do you say….there is no right or wrong in it? Do people like hearing this gospel? ….tolerate everything…even evil?

    February 15, 2011 at 11:49 am |
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