Slain Americans were delivering Bibles
February 22nd, 2011
11:15 AM ET

Slain Americans were delivering Bibles

Americans Jean and Scott Adam were on a mission to distribute Bibles around the world when their yacht was hijacked by Somali pirates, friends of the couple said.

On Tuesday, the U.S. Central Command said the Adams, along with Philis Macay and Bob Riggle, had been killed by their captors.

A U.S. Navy ship had been trailing the captured Americans after their yacht, Quest, was overtaken by pirates on Friday.

“As (U.S. forces) responded to the gunfire, reaching and boarding the Quest, the forces discovered all four hostages had been shot by their captors," the statement from U.S. Central Command said. "Despite immediate steps to provide life-saving care, all four hostages ultimately died of their wounds."

While their faith may not have played a role in their death, it was a motivating factor for their sailing adventure around the world.

“They were not proselytizing evangelicals," Scott Stolnitz, a friend of the couple, told CNN. "They were using their Bible mission as a way to break the ice in the Christian community, particularly in the Pacific.”

Stolnitz said the Adams were friendly and open to all. “These are your next-door neighbors in a lot of ways.”

Their pastor, Msgr. Lloyd Torgerson of Saint Monica's Catholic Church in Santa Monica, California, told CNN affiliate KABC the Adams were a retired couple with a heart for sharing their faith.

“They were very heartfelt in their response to this great gospel and they came to know Jesus in a very special way here,” Togerson said.

“Jean actually sang in our 11:30 choir Sunday mornings. Both of them had a great outreach, of course, through this ministry to take the scriptures, the Bibles, to places across the world. And they felt that call to do that, and that’s what they were doing I presume when this happened.”

The Adams' website chronicles their worldwide voyage, which included trips to New Zealand, China, Cambodia and Panama.

They also spoke openly about their faith on the site, saying the goal of the Bible distribution was, "friendship evangelism - that is, finding homes for thousands of Bibles, which have been donated through grants and gifts, as we travel from place to place."

The Adams passed out Catholic Bibles from the American Bible Society and New International Version Bibles from the International Bible Society, according to their website. They said they brought two different versions of the Bible because, “Catholics have a slightly different Bible than Protestants. We carry both Bibles, and at several different reading levels.”

On their website they said many of the teachers and pastors who received the Bibles also used them for teaching English.

The Adams, Macay and Riggle had been traveling with yachts participating in the Blue Water Rally since their departure from Phuket, Thailand, rally organizers said Sunday in a statement on the event's website.

The group, which organizes long-distance group cruises, said the Quest broke off on February 15 after leaving Mumbai, India, to take a different route.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Mark from Middle River

    Did anyone else, around the age of 30s, ever remember giving in school to the poor Somali kids? The ones with the flies on their eyes and bloated bellies? I was still in single digits so that would place these pirates about the same age now or younger.

    February 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
  2. Rejj Smooth

    Does anyone in the forum believe that the Somali's would behave differently if given different choices? People are not naturally evil (very few anyway). Even the worst tyrant loves their family. So my question is what can be done to change the cause of the evil behavior? Is there any US policy at the root of it? Anything that we can actually do besides vilify the other people posting for their beliefs?

    February 22, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Rejj Smooth, Reading and comprehending the following Truth of Jesus would be a good start.

      Psalms 9:15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit [that] they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.

      Psalms 9:16 The LORD is known [by] the judgment [which] he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.

      Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

      Jeremiah 5:4 Therefore I said, Surely these [are] poor; they are foolish: for they know not the way of the LORD, [nor] the judgment of their God.

      Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.


      February 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • tallulah13

      This may be a double post. Moderation limbo again. Sigh. I guess I'm going to have to dumb this down.. Please don't take this as an insult to your intelligence.

      Rejj: I don't know if the US is involved. Individual war lords fighting for power over each other have destroyed Somalia. The US military went there in the 80s. It was supposed to be humanitarian, but who knows? The book "Black Hawk Down" covers what happened. It's told from the US point of view, but it's a good book. The bible really isn't a good source of information about what's happening in Somalia, but sadly it seems to be the only book Heaven Sent ever read.

      I am sure that there are good people in Somalia who deserve to be helped, but their own people are preventing them from getting that help.

      February 22, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
  3. prc2125

    To be sure, one side is right. Either there is a God or there isnt.
    Its one or the other. not both. The sad thing is that these people were murdered for doing something they believe in.

    February 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The existence of god doesn't come into play here. These people were killed because they chose to ignore the reality of the situation. Their own arrogance killed them as much as Somali pirates.

      February 22, 2011 at 9:06 pm |
  4. john w.

    Quote from the Moses movie...."Where's your Messiah now?" James Cagney as the evil merchant during the exodus of the Jews. These victims are no better or worse than anyother victim of the pirates. Including double crossing gunrunners or drug dealers. Just because these folks were on their own personal crusade doesn't make it more tragic than if these people were poor african fisherman. Just because they are rich american born agains doesnt make them special.

    February 22, 2011 at 7:30 pm |
  5. Marilyn

    Religion is the cause of nearly all the strife in the world. Always has been, always will be. Although people should be allowed to believe any fairy tale or nonsense they wish, they DO NOT have the right to try to convert others. It is disrespectful to those who believe a different fairy tale than they. No one's fairy tale is any more vaild or "right" than anyone else's. Actually they are ALL nonsense and do nothing other than give people a reason to hate and kill one another.

    February 22, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • airwx

      I don't know where you get your data on religion..
      Maybe you would like to see how faith, put into action= people fed, clothed and loved.
      If so, come join us......at the church of the not-so-fairy tale.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Do I hear a Gremlin growling?

      February 22, 2011 at 8:44 pm |
  6. gvans

    i dont care about the religous end of this. it is 2011 if there is pirates out there killing innocent people, and we as a country of the usa knows it i believe 4 FA-18 super hornets could rectify this problem quickly... AN EYE FOR EYE.... RIGHT? before passing judgement on my comment ask yourself what if it was your family!

    February 22, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
  7. Bob

    I never have sympathy for Christians proselytizing that mindless drivel. Why do Christians feel they have to travel the world to destroy different beliefs and cultures?

    February 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Shannon

      Please see above answer to Jyo. Sharing one's faith is an important part of Christianity.

      February 22, 2011 at 8:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      That's easy to explain Bob. You either love and follow Jesus truth or you love and follow satan's lies. Free will, remember?

      P.S. At the end of this test called life, Jesus wins and satan looses.


      February 22, 2011 at 8:41 pm |
    • David Johnson


      You said: "That's easy to explain Bob. You either love and follow Jesus truth or you love and follow satan's lies. Free will, remember?
      P.S. At the end of this test called life, Jesus wins and satan looses."

      Hmm... Jesus wins and Satan loses you say? And you know this, because it is written in the Book. Yes?

      There is no Satan. Satan was invented by men, because they felt "funny" worshipping a god that had just devastated a village of good people via a flood. They didn't want their god to be the one who did evil. So, Beelzebub was born.


      You believe god is all knowing. Yes?

      You believe god is all powerful. Yes?

      You believe everything written in the bible is true. Yes?

      You believe Satan is at least as intelligent as your average human. Yes?

      You believe Satan can read? Yes?

      Do you think Satan ever read the part, in the King James, where he loses the battle against god?

      Who, more than a fallen angel, would believe/know god was omniscient? Not to mention omnipotent. That would have been a stumbling block to any coup attempt. Right?

      So, rebellion would have been dumb of Satan and his band of angels. God would have said, "You will lose and you will lose your health insurance." End of rebellion, I think.

      These stories are fiction. Do you see that? What ent ity would rebel against an all powerful, all knowing god? You couldn't even sneak up on Him. Sheesh! Use your brain, just a little.

      What's funny, is that you believers bestow upon your god, the attributes of being omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
      Never mind that it is impossible for a god to be all those things at the same time.
      But, fundies never stop to think how these attributes affect their fairy tales. They never consider the ramifications resulting from these superlative qualities that they give to their god.

      Fundies do not believe in Christianity because it is true. To them Christianity is true because they believe it.


      February 24, 2011 at 9:53 am |
  8. jyo

    I respect all religions. I also feel deeply for people who lose their life poor or rich, white brown or black.
    I am just deviating from topic just like everbody here to religion. Why do christians go door to door converting people? What is so special about their religion that is not in other religion that they need to undergo a change? What makes their advocating worse is their offer of money to convert people...this is how they have been spreading their religion...if you change into my religion I shall give you this and that and you will become this and that. History has always recorded christian conversions to be by not the positiives of religion but by bribing things obtained completely by industrialization and science which by it self is condemed by the religion.
    The greatest non-medicinal mind control and relaxation techniques developed by Hindus thousands of years back called meditation combined by yoga helps one to have a peaceful long life is freely distributed throughout the world. The yoga and meditation is part of Hindu sprituality and it carries with it the path to salvation but Hindus don't go door to door forcing people into their religion to use these techniques infact for mediatation it says you can concentrate on your god of choice and it allows so much personal growth and understanding of supernatural.
    There is of course great Jesus sacrifice which is greatly appreciated but how is it different or better than a buddha or Rama's path to enlightment ?

    February 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      Which Christians go ‘door to door’?

      February 22, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Shannon

      In response to your question about why Christians go door to door, take a look a Matthew 28:16-20. After Jesus is resurrected, he appears to the disciples, instructing them in what is now known as the "Great Commission." This is the where Christian missionary activity comes from.
      Matthew 28:16-20:
      16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
      For Christians, the key to eternal life is faith in Jesus Christ, and we share the message of the gospel so others can learn about Jesus and be saved, as well. If you knew how to achieve eternal life, would you not want to share it with others?

      February 22, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      All Christians I know spread the word of Jesus, only because we care about your mortal soul. Other than that, I do not know anyone that would knock on your door or as you claim bribe you. Besides, millions of people follow Jesus' truth because they want to and the others don't follow His truth because they read all the blinding propaganda to not pick up the Bible and read His truth on their own. That is what Christians refer to as the Blind, leading the Blind for they have no eyes to see and no ears to hear His spiritual Truth. Therefore, they are satisfied with living in their carnal blindness.

      February 22, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
  9. robertandlenka

    I know this may be annoying, but I have a new blog about my faith and I would like to share it...



    February 22, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
  10. Stan

    Well, they are in Heaven and might meet up with some Allah fanatics. NAIVE IDIOTS!!!!

    February 22, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
  11. freethinker

    So the REAL question here is, WHY on Earth were these people off the coast of an area that is WELL KNOWN to have pirates? If you go to an area like that you are almost certainly asking for trouble. Not smart at all. I live in Arizona, so should I go down to the border to Juarez to hang out and pass out bibles? No way, that would not be a smart choice. If I were hurt, I would expect people to say what the heck were you doing in a well known dangerous area to begin with? What is even worse is that these folks went there despite it being known as dangerous territory due to past abductions and now our military had to get involved, risk THEIR lives and that means our tax money is also spent on their rescue. Case in point, don't go to known violent areas acting that naive and expect to be just fine.

    February 22, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • Pam

      Yes, EXACTLY! These people had no common sense at all. Their complete lack of common sense did put other people at risk. And the fact that they were bible thumpers spreading the "word" to non-christian countries does not speak well of their empathy for other peoples' religious beliefs (I, however, think all religions are ridiculous, but I digress).

      February 22, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      To ensure other souls in the world hear/read His truth.

      February 22, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
  12. exhausted

    Just when I am feeling agnostic, christians ( I will not capitalize that) show up and convince me I'm an Atheist.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
  13. Jon

    It's amazing (and frightening) to see the number of people on here who laugh and make fun of the fact that four people were brutally murdered. You don't have to agree with their religious faith, and you may think they were wasting there time. But laugh? That's barbaric.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jon, Jesus told us why people commit premeditated murder(s).

      John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


      February 22, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Jon, I am not laughing, but I'm not crying either. I have no sympathy for those who ignore simple common sense. I wouldn't feel any sympathy for a drunk killed trying to walk across a busy freeway, either.

      I don't care why they were there. They knew of the danger, they chose to ignore it, and their arrogance got them killed.

      February 22, 2011 at 9:05 pm |
    • CatholicMom

      tallulah 13,
      How did you harden your heart? You sound totally void of compassion for your fellow human beings…..

      February 23, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • The Truth

      *** @ CatholicMom writes: "tallulah 13, How did you harden your heart? You sound totally void of compassion for your fellow human beings….." ***

      I'll bet that Tallulah isn't sending money to the pirates enabling them to do evil. I'll bet Tallulah doesn't show up in person to support the pirate organization that does evil.

      How much money do you donate to the child ra-pers who try to lie and cover it up (the Catholic Church)? How many times do you show up in person every year to support that organization that does evil? Are you "void of compassion for your fellow human" children that are being ra-ped by the people you are freely giving your money and time to support?

      People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

      Speaking of which, why haven't you answered my previous posts to you? Do you have something to hide? Are you incapable of answering them? I'm extremely interested in hearing your response to the St. Peter question and what level of evil it would take for you to no longer support the Church in particular (along with my other questions as well). It's not very polite to not respond to someone when they ask you something. In the unlikely event, you missed them, here they are again:


      @ Catholic Mom who writes: "Both Mary and HeavenSent were never truly Catholic for if they had been they would never have left Mother Church."

      WOW. No seriously, WOW! So to be a true Catholic you can never leave the Church???? Are you kidding?

      Let me ask you (in all seriousness because I'd genuinely like to know), when is it OK for someone to leave the Church? What if they started loading all blonde people into furnaces a la the Holocaust... would it be your duty as a "true Catholic" to still support the Church?

      Obviously, the fact that they are RA-PING CHILDREN and then STILL covering it up isn't bad enough for you to leave. The fact that they have ties to the Mafia obviously isn't enough for you to leave. And so on and so forth.

      So when is it copacetic for someone to leave? If they started taking toddlers and crushing their skulls with hammers on altars would you still stay because you are a "true Catholic?" Seriously, what is your breaking point (if any)?

      Here's a newsflash: By you staying with the Church, YOU are supporting the molestation of children because that makes YOU an enabler. If every "true Catholic" abandoned the Church unless massive reforms were made, then guess what? Yep, the rate of children being molested would plummet.

      I wonder if Jesus set foot on the Earth today if he'd support following one of the most evil and corrupt organizations on the planet. He'd be appalled. When we talk about brainwashing, this is PRECISELY what people mean.

      When it comes time to go up to the Pearly Gates, what are you going to say when St. Peter asks you, "Why did you follow and support the Church when the Church was acting exactly the opposite of how Jesus portrayed his life? Why you didn't use the complex brain God gifted you with to think for yourself instead of blindly following the corrupt?" Is there a good answer to that question? Not that I can think of. I'd love to hear what your answer would be.


      I wrote this to you on a different thread that goes hand in hand with what I just wrote above. You are supporting a place when if you add up every single dime you gave to the church most likely wouldn't have even paid for one of the "cheap" chairs linked to below. What a great way to spend your hard earned cash. I'm sure Jesus wouldn't have preferred you go out and actually use that money to help a REAL person in need.

      ***** @ Catholic Mom: There are three voices we can hear; our own voice, the voice of evil [satan], and the voice of God. In the case of doing a wrong act: My own voice tells me…. ‘it is wrong but I won’t think about that now because I have freewill and so here goes….’ The voice of evil… ‘it is not wrong…many do it…it is fun…why should you have less fun than others and how can it be wrong if so many enjoy it?’ If the voice says, ‘no, it is wrong, you will regret it.’ That is the voice of God." ****

      With the utmost respect, do you realize what you are describing is straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon with a devil and an angel sitting on Bugs Bunny's shoulders? It is fiction. Those "voices" you hear to do the right thing are engrained in us through the human condition. To illustrate that, here is the Golden Rule in various religions all around the world formed both before and after the Bible and formed with and without knowledge of the Bible:

      The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would want them to do unto you."

      Bahá'í Faith: "And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself."

      Brahmanism: "Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you."

      Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."

      Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you."

      Egyptian: "Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do."

      Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you."

      Humanism: "Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you."

      Islam: "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself."

      Jainism: "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self."

      Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary."

      Native American: "Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself."

      Shinto: "The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form."

      Sikhism: "No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend."

      Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss."

      Yoruba: "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."

      Zoroastrianism: "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others."

      In the end, it is obvious that all religions share this theme. That is the rule to follow, not because it is in some book, but because it is shared across religions and humanity. If you were born in Tibet or Iran, you'd still be following that rule. Logic dictates this is FAR more sensible.

      **** "With a clear mind and heart, a person can join his own voice with the voice of God and find that it is an easy Path to follow." ****

      My parents are staunch Catholics and one of my brothers is a born-again Christian. Let me ask you the same question I ask my parents: How can you possibly justify supporting an evil Church? Do you know why children continue to get mole-sted and why the perpetrators aren't being promptly removed by the Church? It is because people like yourself are part of the problem by not forcing the Church to do the right thing. I guess the Church doesn't have that angel on their shoulder like Bugs Bunny, just the Devil on the Church's shoulders and that's who is spiritually guiding you and millions of other Catholics. And while there are many great priests who are extremely good people, they are every bit as guilty as well by not joining together and forcing the Vatican to do the right thing.

      Let's look at who you are supporting:

      – A group that covers up the ra-pe of children.

      – A group that is currently under investigation of money laundering for the mafia.

      – A group that had the audacity to declare bankruptcy to further try to scew over (pun possibly intended) the moles-tation victims from getting their monetary payday in court.

      – A group that paid off child moles-tation victims to stay quiet about the abuse.

      – A group that says they are against hom-ose-xuality and yet somewhere between 35%-65% of all priests are gay (according to their OWN accounts).

      – A group whose leader lives in a mansion with perhaps trillions of dollars in artwork alone that they hoard while Jesus' children are starving to death all around the world. I'm sure Jesus would have done the same thing. What was the name of that mansion that Jesus lived in again?

      – A group who charges admission to get into the Sistine Chapel when visiting the Vatican (I know because I've been there)... I'm sure Jesus would cool with that. Oh yeah, no taking pictures in the Chapel either because they sold the rights to that to another company so you are forced to buy their pictures instead while the Vatican makes money off of that as well.

      – A group that allowed Cardinal Law from Boston to have the honor of being one of a select few to say the final mass for Pope JP II (this was after they "promoted" him to Rome as to evade US authorities).

      – A group where the Pope is actually now hiding behind his diplomatic immunity as head of the "country" of Vatican City so that he doesn't have to testify in court about child mole-station (that he OBVIOUSLY knew about). How pathetic is that? Jesus and the Church preach about telling the truth, yet they go out of their way to try and hide it.

      – etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

      Catholics should be standing up and fighting for the children who can't fight for themselves instead of enabling perverted criminals to mol-est more children! This should be common sense... people should be rioting in front of the Vatican, but instead have been conditioned into supporting them unequivocally by putting more money in the basket.

      Speaking of money in the basket, this is a perfect illustration as to where YOUR MONEY gets spent (besides the billions they are paying out for mole-sting kids):


      In that picture, notice the chairs in the middle. The big chair is the archbishop of Los Angeles' chair and the smaller ones are for other Church Hierarchy.

      The big chair... cost them ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
      The smaller chairs cost them $250,000.00 EACH.
      The altar there cost them FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

      Who spends a million dollars for a chair? Bill Gates, Oprah, etc don't have million dollar chairs. In fact, that chair is worth more than Warren Buffett's house!!! How many people would that money have clothed, housed and fed??? The chair isn't even that nice. Would Jesus spend a million dollars on a CHAIR???

      Putting this into perspective: The husband of one of my friends is a fighter pilot. He had to eject one time & he is now nearly two inches shorter due to the massive spinal compression force. So he was in a highly advanced jet whose chair allowed him to open the canopy, rocket out of a moving plane at 12-15 G's (the space shuttle at launch is about 3 G's), employed a parachute and took him to safety.

      The pilot's chair doing all that is around $100K... the Catholic Church's stationary wooden chair is $1M.

      These people are nothing at all like Jesus. Jesus is your savior, not the Pope. Jesus in his day rebelled against the corruption in church instead of just accepting it and it seems like common sense that he'd support rebelling against this Church instead of just going along with the flow.

      Child ra-pe/abu-se/mol-estation is about the worst thing possible and yet Catholics are just allowing the Church to "get away with it" like they have done countless times in the past. Even the Mafia and convicts in prison won't put up with child ab-use, yet the "moral" Church knows they can get away with it as people won't leave them almost regardless of what they do.

      The irony is that "fixing" these problems is easy... all they need to do is come COMPLETELY clean, tell the WHOLE truth, let a third party go through their files to make sure that ALL the "dirt" is cleaned and ask for forgiveness, but they can't even do that. The "good" priests and "good" followers are the ones giving the Vatican power by not rebelling back against them. If every "good" Catholic priest and layperson went on "strike" so to speak, it would quickly force the Vatican's hand to make instantaneous positive change. But of course that doesn't happen.

      So perhaps you should think long and hard about who you are supporting. If this EXACT same group was a local company like Wal-Mart, you'd be up in arms about it, perhaps picketing them and boycotting them for being a morally corrupt company who abuses children, but when it comes to your Church who does the EXACT same thing, you have no issue with supporting them and therefore becoming part of the problem. Food for thought.


      February 23, 2011 at 4:18 am |
  14. Tex

    Bibles to Hindus? Bibles to Siiks? Bibles to Tamils, Bibles to Muslims? Bibles to pagans. Cease and desist zealots of the world.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • gerald

      Yes, quit living out what you believe. Oh wait everyone cease influencing others beliefs.. Oh wait Tex, you are violating your own principle. Guess what that is called......

      February 22, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
  15. Mark

    Really sad when all of the comments turn into an argument over God and the Bible.

    Religion will always exist. Some people need it, as nobody and no one knows where we go when we die and that is very scary indeed. Some people think they do fine and well for them.

    Killing is wrong. These people took a risk and they knew it. Saying they had it coming however is just evil.

    The pirates (the ones who perpetrated the killings) are the ones that deserve to be hated.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark, you obviously never read Jesus' truth(the Bible) as He asked all of us to do to be the best that He wants us to be and to know what we need to know.

      Ecclesiastes 12:5 Also [when] they shall be afraid of [that which is] high, and fears [shall be] in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

      Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

      Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


      February 22, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
  16. johnnyv

    As someone who used to go far offshore often and encounter high speed boats running without lights in the dark, I knew were running contraband, I was always afraid of my boat being taken and being killed.

    Certainly, the prudent thing to do when going offshore and especially near the horn of Africa is to be well-armed with semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines – the same guns that gun controllers like Carolyn McCarthy and Dianne Feinstein are always trying to ban because they say nobody needs these weapons

    February 22, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
  17. James

    So what happened to the Jerks that Murdered them ????? Killed is not not what I would call their deaths. They were "MURDERED" by a bunch of ignorant pirates who have nothing but money and death on their minds. When is the international community going to put a stop to all of this crap and just shoot them out of the water.–

    February 22, 2011 at 5:21 pm |
  18. EZE

    this incident only strengthens the Problem of Evil argument against god's existence. Surely an omnipotent and omniscient being (i.e. the Christian god) would not allow for innocent people to be murdered, especially those who are doing "god's work."

    February 22, 2011 at 5:20 pm |
    • Evan

      God cannot contradict himself. He created the universe in a certain way and has to have the universe work that way. God gave us the ability to make our own decisions, which is how sin came about (Adam and Eve ate the apple). These pirates made their decision: to kill these missionaries. This was not God's choice, it was theirs.

      You may ask: "Why does God allow evil in the first place?" The reason is: evil always accomplishes a greater good. I'm sure good will come out of this situation.

      In the Book of Acts in the Bible, Stephen, a Christian, is killed for his faith. "How did any good come out of that?" Many people turned to Christianity and were inspired to grow in faith because of Stephen. See how a lesser evil created a greater good?

      For more on why God allows evil, read the Bible.

      February 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm |
    • Evan

      Besides, God is the infinite, eternal creator of the universe. We are Humans. Do you think our finite minds can truly grasp the infinite? I don't. We can never truly understand how God chooses to run the universe, His universe. All we know is "He knows what He's doing."

      It's not too wise to criticize how God run His universe. In the Book of Job in the Bible, God gets upset with some people for thinking they could tell him how to run the universe.

      February 22, 2011 at 5:47 pm |
    • sealchan

      I think that this is a valid criticism of many Biblical outlooks and one that I will be examining as I continue to study. I know, however, that many Christian's morality as they derive it from the Bible is way too simplistic. I read th Adam and Eve story as as much a setup by God to put humanity into sin through their "choice" as it is the fault of humans for choosing to disobey God's rule. How could Adam and Eve judge right from wrong if God hadn't granted them that knowledge in the first place?

      If you recognize this more mystical reading of the Garden of Eden story this actually illuminates the whole Bible in a much more self-consistent and profound light and creates a deeper moral philosophy.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
    • EZE

      the problem is not the fact that evil exists, it the appalling depth and extent of human suffering. Furthermore, not all evil is the result of human action, such as earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and other "acts of God" The greater good argument is a weak argument because there are many instances in which an evil act fails to accomplish a greater good. I would like to know what greater good was accomplished by the 9/11 attacks, the Holocaust, or any of the other heinous crimes that have occurred throughout history. It would seem that an all-powerful, perfectly-loving god could achieve a greater good without the senseless killing of human beings. For more on the extent of evil, please read the newspaper.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • airwx

      Sealchan...actually a good question. Originally we were designed not to know the difference between good and evil. Eve was decieved into eating the apple. Adam chose his wife over God (rebellion) by eating the apple. PS...the story is meant to teach why we have problems. Go to any online bible and search for sorrow, trouble and tribulation. God promises us we will have these in our lives. For those of you who argue that a "good" God requirement means no pain...we are promised that we will be given the means to get through anything.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • EZE

      airwx: your Adam & Eve argument would only be plausible if there were no other explanations for the moral properties of humans. Naturalistic explanations from sociology, biology, and psychology do not appeal to unknown, supernatural causes to explain our moral properties, so they are much simpler than the theistic alternative. And the natural explanations also account for why, say, different cultures or the differences in individual psychological development can lead to, respectively, the fact that different cultures have different moral codes and the fact that individuals can have different moral sensibilities (which is hard to explain if all human morals and values came from the same source, namely God)

      February 22, 2011 at 6:44 pm |
    • anastasia

      God does not control us..that is why there is crime in this world..we are not His little puppets therefore we have our own minds...that is why people kill and act crazy..We have free will..

      February 22, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • sealchan

      As painful as it may sound, one deeper reading of the Bible might be that there is no triumph over evil without vulnerability to that evil. This painful truth would imply that we take it on the chin quite often and would prepare us for a very scientific world view that holds less and less assurances that the design of the world is in the favor for our uniqueness and survival. But then again the early Jewish Christian would know what that feels like.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • airwx

      Eze...No, that is not what I said. As far as I can find, there is no logical explanation for any fully equipped human being to be violent, yet they are; ie the pirates. The only exception I can find is a possible defect/missing portion in the prefrontal lobe of sociopath/psychopath individuals. Can you expound on the sources of your thinking?

      February 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Evan

      Eze: Sure.

      9/11: It brought the nation together and made it safer. Look at what a good job this nation is doing at protecting its people from terrorists. Look at how the nation comes together. Aren't most of the terrorists who plotted the attack in jail? How can you say that, while evil "won a few battles", good did not triumph?

      Holocaust: Has a leader as evil as Hitler taken power again? No! Governments now have check and balances to ensure people like him do not take power again.

      The Bible is not anti-science. While it is impossible to verify Genesis 1, the rest of the book in no way contradicts science. Christianity is about a relation with God, not describing the creation of the world.

      I do flip through the newspaper sometimes. But, like I said, God allows evil to happen because good will eventually come out of it. Who are we to question the way God runs the universe?

      Please, explain to me how, out of nothing, the universe created itself.

      If there is no God, what is the meaning of life? Without God, there is no meaning! All everyone does will eventually pass away.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • gerald

      You want God to be controlling, taking away freedom. That is your version of God. His ways are not our ways. He allows freedom even of those who would do evil. Death to God is not the great trajedy it is to you. These people if they lived for him live with him. The pirates who died have been judged accordingly and justice has come to those whom it should.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Evan

      God is a god of justice. He will not allow the wicked to go unpunished, and will not allow the righteous to go unrewarded.

      People get their morals from each other. However, if one grows up around people who do bad things all the time, they still know what is right and what is wrong. Morals may be from each other, but right and wrong is from God.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • FifthApe

      "For more on why God allows evil, read the Bible."

      If you read the bible and see the monster that stalks the pages of the OT, you will see, god is evil. He kills babies like we swat flies. (Numbers 31)

      February 22, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • airwx

      FifthApe...sorry...I don't buy your arguement. And as to your screen name. Genetic science show chromosome 2 is not a splice between two chimp chromosomes , thus our 23 chromosomes are not related to a chimp's 24.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
    • airwx

      @FifthApe... and to answer your other point...read Numbers 25 for why that happened. I know you won't like the answer, but just accept that it comports perfectly with very good suggestion #1.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:54 pm |
    • Don

      Beings cannot be infinite, Evan.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
  19. The Corner Zoo

    For Christians, death is not the end, but the beginning of an eternity with our Lord.

    1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction? "I will have no compassion,

    For those of you mocking God and these people, your time is short. Repent for destruction is at the gate. You will live eternally, you need to decide where.

    Jesus Is Lord

    February 22, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • Ian

      Dead is dead,.....nothing else. The rest is mythology

      February 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm |
    • God is crap

      Not as short as the bible thumpers your "god" once again did nothing to help.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:45 pm |
    • TheTruth72

      "Not as short as the bible thumpers your "god" once again did nothing to help."

      God takes people when it's their time. It is not God's will to save every soul from dying a physical death. Do some reading before commenting on things you do not understand, then maybe the truth will show itself to you.

      February 22, 2011 at 6:56 pm |
    • gerald


      Ya sure about that? Better be. Eternity is a long time to live in hell.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • FifthApe

      Yours is myth, pure and simple. Just like ALL the other gods and religions invented by humans. You need myth to help you through the night without peeing the bed, we do not.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
  20. BSdetector77

    Too much MTV, all atheists please move to China, since you hate 85% of this country, and feel so oppressed by your Christian neighbors who push their beliefs on you so violently. There you can have a forced atheist society where you can murder christians, buddhists, and muslims all you want! 😉 Now back to your TV.

    February 22, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
    • displeased

      Calm down and take your meds...

      February 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • EZE

      yea.. damn atheists. following arguments to their logical conclusion, what a silly idea....

      February 22, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Joker

      Man what reality do you live in?

      February 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • Patrick

      The idiots have spoken. A tragic ending and all people can focus on is religion. Religion is the poison of society.

      February 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
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