February 25th, 2011
04:55 PM ET
Your thoughts on 'The Adjustment Bureau' and fate vs. free will
Check out this preview of this week’s Faces of Faith segment about the new Matt Damon movie The Adjustment Bureau and let us know what you think on the question of fate versus free will, one of the movie’s big themes.
Watch the full segment this Sunday at 7 a.m., which will feature actor Anthony Mackie and director/screenwriter George Nolfi. We’ll read some of your comments on air.
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Al-Anbiya sura 21:
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Verily this community of yours is a single community, and I am your Lord; so worship Me. (92) And they cut up their affair among them: , all are unto Us returners. (93) Whosoever worketh righteous works, and he is a believer, there shall be no denial of his endeavour; and We are for him the Writers. (94).
Al-Mumenoon sura 23:
And lo! this your religion is one religion and I am your Lord, so keep your duty unto Me. (52) But they (mankind) have broken their religion among them into sects, each sect rejoicing in its tenets. (53) So leave them in their error till a time. (54).
Guess all in any Religion or Faith have among them which are called as;
-The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Those all are there in a Chase after on thing in mind as told to be;
-A Fistful of Dollars.
So non is perfect as those are among all nations.
Not quite. You have misunderstood me. I don't blame God for anything. People are guilty for their own deeds or actions. God has nothing to do because we have been given free will. On the other hand if God is not an almighty, all knowing and omniscient god it's not god(deity) anymore. The idea of god involves all of the three qualities. God is perfect. Perfection does not have degrees of comparison and means to know everything, to see everything and to be everywhere. It won't violate our free will at all because we have the liberty to choose whatever we want to do and whenever we want to do. That's why God hasn't ever shown to anyone. The hope to see God for real is just a futile and vain one. Nature is the one that shows us that nothing happens by chance and by that I mean that if you plant a tree it won't grow a flower or something else. That's order. Based on this order people grow plants and are able to predict what they'll harvest. Now about determinism. There is no predestination but there is determinism. A human being once is born inherits from his parents certain traits of character, certain habits, the color of the eyes. Sometimes a child inherits from his grandparents certain traits. Based on these personal characteristics you can predict to a certain degree how that child may behave in the future. The only problem that is actually a real one is with the prodigy children. In my opinion that's the touch of God and I say this because illiterate parents have given birth to children like that. They are the ones that have brought human kind to a different level of knowledge have brought progress into the world by their inventions and innovations. They surpass everything we know or think possible or impossible.
From one who spent his adult life, pondering and studying the Christian god:
As per the famous contemporary theologian, Edward Schillebeeckx, god is not omniscient. Please read, pause and contemplate the following by Schillebeeckx:
Church: The Human Story of God,
Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)
"Christians (et al) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history."
"Nothing is determined in advance: in nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices. Therefore the historical future is not known even to God, otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."
i.e. No one, not even God can prophesy since that would violate the God/Nature-given gifts of Free Will and Future.-–
Well....about the plan that the movie is talking. Let's imagine for a moment that fate exists. For me fate is a long road along which we walk everyday. God knows what we've done as well as what we'll do. God is omniscient. Free will is an endless number of open doors that are always around us and we can always enter one of them. It's up to us to decide whether or not to walk down that road and never go astray or off it or to use our free will, make a decision that we think is the best and step in at a door.
Don...... I gave you two verses that both say the serpent is the devil.
It is not a matter of me being embarrassed but you admitting the truth...... to deny the what the verses plainly say in my above post is foolishness and not profitable for you to continue.
On the other hand if you just accept what they say then you have learned something new and you can go to bed tonight a little bit smarter than you were when you got up this morning....... fair enough?
As far as two witness go...... all verses of the Bible are the Word of God and are a witness to the truth...... when you have two or more in agreement with none being proved false then you have according to God's Law just established what is known as biblical truth acceptable to God for the edification of His children.
No, you gave me two verses saying that the devil is a serpent, but did not show that it was the same serpent. Better luck next time.
As far as the witnesses, I'm still laughing at you that you believe that John of Patmos was alive when Eve was.
@Don..you've said and I quote, "I'm still laughing at you", you must be facing the mirror when you typed the phrase.
Stay in the fox hole, you stubborn atheist!
Your knowledge of the scriptures is a tad off......... for sure the serpent and the devil are the same and that fact is stated so twice in the Bible in accordance with God's law that states that all truth can be determined only through two or more witnesses in agreement with each other.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
No, my biblical knowledge is correct. The Apocalypse of John does not actually claim that the serpent was the devil.
As to your idea of "witnesses:–I wasn't aware that John of Patmos was alive when the serpent gave Eve the fruit!
So please: stop embarrassing yourself.
@Don..you've said (as reply to my post) and I quote, "mykids, nowhere in the bible is the devil named as the serpent."
Don't use John the Baptist John Patmos or John whatsoever as scapegoats and ADMIT IT! Be a good sport or stay inside a fox hole where you belong.