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Muslim television preacher returns to Egypt
Amr Khaled urged youth to practice peaceful coexistence and be tolerant of different cultures and ideas.
February 26th, 2011
12:57 PM ET

Muslim television preacher returns to Egypt

By Lauren E. Bohn, Special to CNN

As Egyptians returned to Tahrir Square to push for the realization of more political demands, one of the world’s most influential Muslim television preachers delivered his first address in Egypt since President Hosni Mubarak left office.

“I don’t have a stronger message than this: Kill yourself working for Egypt,” Amr Khaled told a crowd of thousands.

Khaled traveled to Sohag, a poor governorate in Upper Egypt, for the first time to deliver lectures. He announced the launch of a microfinance project and literacy and politic awareness campaigns.

Hagar Ashraf, 15, said it was the best day of her life. “It’s the first time to see him. I always saw him on television talking about hope,” she said. ‘That’s why I love him. Just hope. Nothing more.”

Heralded by many in the West as a voice of Islamic moderation, Khaled urged youth to practice peaceful coexistence and be tolerant of different cultures and ideas.

“The world is opening up for all of us,” he said.

It certainly is for Khaled who was one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in 2007. He has been banned from speaking in his native Egypt for the past eight years.

Khaled’s trademark brand of “faith-based development” and massive popularity among the nation’s young and restless was a thorn in the side of Mubarak’s regime. He was forced to leave Egypt several times as critics worried he was inspiring youth not only to change their lives, but also the regime. He returned to Cairo on January 28 to show his support for the revolution that wound up sweeping Mubarak from power.

“Blood has started to run in Egyptians’ veins,” he said. “I’m using all this energy and opportunity to, insha’allah, inspire youth to dedicate their lives to improving Egypt.”

Despite efforts made by Mubarak’s regime, the sharp-suited 43-year-old has turned into a celebrity over the years. Khaled was greeted with crowds, gifts and requests for autographs on his early morning flight and on Sohag’s dusty side streets.

Youth jumped on Khaled’s car as he left his lecture in the town’s square. They all wanted a piece of a man they say has inspired them not only to be better Muslims, but better people.

Earlier this month, the Washington Post reported that Facebook users from Egypt created 32,000 groups and 14,000 pages during the revolution; the page with the most fans from Egypt was Khaled’s.

With almost unparalleled popularity among youth in Egypt’s newly democratic space, many have questioned whether Khaled will run for a political position in the country’s future government.

“Why not? All the options now are open,” he said, adding that he’d only do so if it would “improve the renaissance” rather than simply ride the wave of the revolution.

Abodoma Fathy Mohammed, a 21-year-old medical student, joined Khaled’s Life Makers branch in Sohag a few years ago and says Khaled’s foray into politics would naturally extend the “amount of people he’s changed like me,” adding,  “you need government and not just NGOs for development.”

Khaled shuffled through Sohag meeting with community leaders, including priests and Sohag’s governor. According to Khaled’s team, some signs showed business might return to usual earlier this week as security forces and local government, worried about continued workers’ strikes and demonstrations in the poor governorate, told Khaled and his team they couldn’t come to Sohag.

“We simply went ahead anyway,” said Gamal Al Etribi, head of Life Makers in Egypt. “It’s still the mind of the old government, but hopefully the power (of the revolution) will change this.”

Ayman, 40, hopes so. “We have a large amount of ignorance in Sohag. It’s a village system, and we suffer a lot,” he said, making ‘asab, a sugar-cane juice in his store across the square where Khaled delivered a lecture after Friday’s prayer. “We need people like him to come here.”

A few streets down, Salafis gathered at Al Haq mosque to listen to a lecture by another formerly censored figure, the prominent Salafi Sheikh Yasser Borhamy from Alexandria. A critic of the former government, Borhamy’s website (salafvoice.com) had been shut down by Mubarak’s regime in the past.

“Look, they have different points of view, different than Khaled’s maybe,” said Life Maker Hassam Marey. “But after all, we are all Muslims. It’s just a matter of applications. We are all brothers.”

Though an accountant-turned-preacher, youth like Heba El Said, 23, say Khaled has been an inspirational spiritual leader.

“Amr Khaled advises us and speaks to our hearts. He doesn’t give us orders on what I should or shouldn’t do,” she said. “I like, no, I love Amr Khaled and his way to discuss, his way to develop, his way to change.”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Egypt • Islam

soundoff (291 Responses)
  1. Andrew

    Glad to see CNN changed the headline that linked to this article. I don't know if the original link was an honest oversight, or an intentional misrepresentation meant to drive clicks, but either way it's irresponsible journalism.

    February 26, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
  2. Den

    I really like the first part of his message to muslims- "kill yourself". Wouldn't that be a world class improvement if they all complied.

    February 26, 2011 at 4:45 pm |
    • Edwin

      Den,

      Clearly you do not understand basic words. His speech meant that the people need to work FOR EGYPT, work hard FOR EGYPT, and make it a better place. It is sad that you see the word "muslim" and read it as "evil" - it is sad for you and for the whole world that there are so many sick people like you.

      Egypt is a secular country. The only way it will go to radical Islam is if extremists like you in the Western World push them there. Are you so eager to see everyone who does not look and act like you as an enemy? What a world you must live in.

      This preacher is trying to inspire the masses to the next step in rebuilding their country. The fact that he is muslim is truly secondary to his cause. Read the words again and TRY to understand. Hope is something even so-called Christians should understand...

      February 26, 2011 at 5:08 pm |
  3. JoJoTheDogFacedBoy

    Oops, you beat me by a minute, AaronS. I wouldn't have posted my comment if I had known that you had just made the same one. On the other hand, maybe it's good if CNN hears this more than once.

    February 26, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
  4. JoJoTheDogFacedBoy

    Terribly deceptive headline: "Kill Yourself for Egypt." It (intentionally, I'm sure) sounds like a Muslim advocating suicide when that is not what he is preaching at all. Are there no editors on the weekends at CNN?

    February 26, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
  5. AaronS

    It is shameful that CNN wrote that he said, "Kill yourself for Egypt." That implies terrorism, while what he says here implies working your tail off for a better future.

    SHAME ON YOU, CNN!!!

    February 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
  6. Mohammed Khalaf

    let is at the beginning Know who is this preacher, He is one of who used to be paid by the extremest to get Positive advise for there insurgency activity in Iraq. He ispired the terrorist in Iraq to do ther sucersor action against the US ARMY and the civilian in Iarq. I KNow him well and ever one in middle east understand what he is represent . and he try to use what is going on now in Egypt to get kind of suppport after he got exposed when the regeime is over

    February 26, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
  7. Bill H

    The headline on CNN.com plays into a stereotype that Muslims explode others and themselves as part of religious effectiveness. At a time when the Middle East is exploding, I think it shows a tremenous lack of sensitivity for CNN to have this headline. The TV preachers did NOT suggest what you lead people to think he said. This is irresponsible and highly provacative at a time when sensationalism increases frustrations and tensions. CNN can do better...

    February 26, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • Frank.from.SC

      That's because muslims do explode themselves and others!!! Where were you 9/11/01? Under a rock?

      February 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
  8. SJB

    OK–YOU FIRST !

    February 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Admonisher

      Am I correct, SJB, in assuming that you did not actually read the article, and are responding to the headline as if the preacher in question was advocating suicide-terrorism? That's the only way I can make sense of your pithy comeback ... and I imagine you're not alone. I'd take you to task for not reading before you responded (if this is indeed the case), but the shame here belongs to CNN, who altered the quote for a sensational headline that conveys the exact opposite of the sentiment being expressed.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  9. Mohamed Z. Rahaman

    TO CNN: The man said "Kill yourselves WORKING for Egypt." Your headline is misleading and is sure to invite comparisons with suicide or to put it bluntly, another Islamic preacher calling for people to blow themselves up. Please change the headline.
    Thank you.

    February 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
  10. Robert of London

    A third throwing in with Ryan: CNN should be ASHAMED of itself with it's sensationalist "kill yourself for Egypt" headline. That quote isn't merely out of context, it is BUTCHERED into an entirely different meaning, one that puts a sensational, negative spin on what is a positive statement and development. How does your headline editor go to work each day and consider him/herself a "news professional"???

    February 26, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Newyorker

      I fully agree. But you have to admit, it is very effective in grabbing the attention of Americans who don't want to hear inconvenient truths, such as Islam being used as a force for good instead of violent jihad.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
  11. The Real Truth

    and to continue the five steps u posted are the keys to faith in islam. Therefore if u believe in those then u become muslim which cleanses "your neuron". @ all ppl who dont believe in religion, we all know most religions need u to believe in it so u can enter paradise. If You are willing to risk the possibility that ure going to hell on the fact that the universe was created by itself (the possibility of this happening is 1/ billions) then all i say is goodluck.n REALLY WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY IF NOT MINIMAL. aand plus jus to put in a good word for islam: it clearly states in the quran that the universe is continously expanding. And this was discoverd almost a decade ago while muhammed was born somewhere around 521 AD. take a look at the dates and come back to prove me wrong 😛

    February 26, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • Allah be doin yur daughter

      Done. U is wrong. Idiot muslim fanatic.

      February 26, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
  12. Admonisher

    Shame on CNN for sensationalist headlines! The link on the main page reads, "TV Preacher: 'Kill yourself for Egypt.'" This, of course, immediately calls to mind the specter of suicide bombers and violent martyrdom. Then we actually read the article, and find out that the REAL quote is "Kill yourself WORKING for Egypt," in the context of nonviolence and tolerance. Really, CNN? This is unworthy of you ... and I might add, if I were the preacher in question, I would be appalled.

    February 26, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Ryan

      It's how all these "news" organizations contextualize anything Muslim or Arabic to ratchet up fear.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  13. Z

    I'm with Ryan. CNN definitely messed with that headline to get hits. He definitely meant "work your *** off to make Egypt better".

    February 26, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  14. pockets

    Once again it is religion mixed with politics, its a big No-No. It has no place on this planet. We all know where it can lead. Lots of examples as well. His message may be well received, and more moderates of Islam must speak out. Its not a matter of win or lose, its a matter of tolerance. As an atheist, I know that. There is no god, so relax and enjoy your lives. Educate yourself and your children, be compassionate to all living things. My hope is one day, the death of any animal, will be felt with the same sorrow as the death of another human being.

    February 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  15. The Real Truth

    To the truth: amr khaled was kicked out and he did not "run away" by his will. And about the whole will of god thing, im going to give u one of the i fluential arabic sayings, "Do not uncover ure butt and say 'the bee stinged me, it is surely the will of god'"

    February 26, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
  16. Ryan

    Way to Screw up a headline CNN. "Kill yourself for Egypt"? wow way to scare people into clicking your stupid article...The man clearly said "kill yourself WORKING for Egypt", meaning "bust your ***".

    February 26, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    • qwerty

      Kind of sad someone felt the need to force page views with a link like that. I entirely expected to click it and see some radical cleric telling people to kill themselves.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:40 pm |
    • JDOWGG

      Great point RYAN...the writer of this article: just contributed to the negative image of the muslim people with just that one headline. I automaticly thought another muslim just wished death on his fellow human beings for therir cause or what have you?? but nope, he's trying to unite his fellow beings.....WHHoorahhh CNN!!

      February 26, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • Lubna

      Thank you Ryan for pointing this out. Unfortunately, CNN is playing into Islamaphobia in this case.
      @Reality...I find your comments offensive and contributing to spreading hatred, fear, and ignorance.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • winds1

      I was going to comment on that myself, but it seems you've beat me to it. Which is a good thing, really. It needed to be said.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:11 pm |
    • Really haha

      This also proves another point for the people crying "where are the moderate muslims and why don't they speak up,... I haven't any body speaking up against extremism etc..". First, western media usually has no interest in printing anything not preaching hate. So these things usually don't even get published. Second, even if they are published people will not even read it and then complain about not hearing any moderate voices.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
  17. Reality

    Steps # 4 and #5

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
    alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    February 26, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • James Rayment

      Dude, if you genuinely want to reach anyone you won't do it by misrepresenting what they actually believe, even if theres some truth to what you say, you just ruined it by being uninformed and smug.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:18 pm |
    • crazyvermont

      Reality,
      Bible has been read and critiqued more than any other work in history; yet, it remains the source of spiritual help for many. I'll also point out that it makes not just one, but hundreds of prophesies of things to come. I compare things in world today and see many coming true. As a believer, it excites me but think it would certainly scare a mocker.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
    • Allah

      Ahhhhhhhh, the prophecies of the GOOD BOOK will come true!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.

      February 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
  18. Reality

    Step #2 and #3:

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    February 26, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
  19. Luis Wu

    All religions are stupid and all religious people have no intelligence whatever. This just goes to illustrate that. They live in a fairytale fantasy world with invisible supernatural beings in the sky. How utterly stupid. When will the human race wake up and smell the coffee?

    February 26, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
    • Yeah Right!

      You surely have been brainwashed by your ignorant religion of humanism! This is typical, however, of those who claim to be wise while they are really blinded by their own foolish philosophies. Here are a few "idiots" for you to ponder willfully blind one: Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Rene Descartes, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Robert Main, Henrietta Swan Leavitt, CS Lewis, Sir Robert Boyd, Allan Sandage.

      Here are a few believers who are still living and men who make a difference and don't make uninformed statements: Ghillean Prance, Donald Knuth, Eric Priest, Jennifer Wiseman, John Lennox, John D. Barrow, and the list goes on.

      Get your facts straight before spouting nonsense as truth!

      February 26, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • JD

      The only stupid ones are the people who are afraid to open their eyes to the possibilities of an existence beyond ours. You call us stupid only because you don't understand and you refuse to investigate or do any research except to try to prove there is no God. Isn't that also being stupid?

      February 26, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      @JD

      The atheists I know, including myself, will tell you that we have done our homework and find the evidence for god and religion lacking. We do not need to disprove the existence of god because said existence has not been proven! The onus is on believers, making the extraordinary claims, to prove their claims. They have failed to date. Yes, there are lots of believers, but membership in a religious cult is almost entirely driven by one's birth location and their parent's tribal affiliation. Almost no-one converts to religion.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
    • crazyvermont

      Luis,
      Blanket statements are usually made by ignorant people........I rest my case

      February 26, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
    • Derek

      The onus is most definitely on people of faith to prove the claims of the existence of their make-believe God and not vice versa, like they insist. That is what completely annoys me with people of faith is that they do not apply the same standards of reason and logic towards religion as they do in any other facet in life. For example, I am going to make the bold claim that The Mailbox Monster exists. I know because I have a book that says that he disguises himself as a regular blue mailbox and will eat people at random as they try to put their mail in his box. Again, I know this because it is written in a book.

      Now, can you believe that people actually don't believe me and have the nerve to tell me that I need to prove my claim. I don't have to prove my claim exists. You are to accept it as fact because it is written in a book. So yes, the Mailbox Monster is indeed real. Does that logic sound familiar?

      February 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Al

      Religion was created to answer the questions we had no answer for, especially what happens after we die (man's greatest fear). To find that answer, remember where we were before we were born – that is what being dead will be like, nothing! As far as reality, we live, we die and that is it. Now that might be uncomfortable enough to make some people forget sanity and rationality and believe in fairy tales (heaven, nirvana, etc.) but there is still not a shred of proof that any of that exist. Your fear of death might make you stupid, and willing to believe in myths but it is still just BS!

      February 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • The Truth

      ***@AL "Religion was created to answer the questions we had no answer for, especially what happens after we die (man's greatest fear).***

      Exactly. It was a tool used by uneducated men to explain the unexplainable or the unknown. Science has since bridged many of those gaps.

      ***To find that answer, remember where we were before we were born – that is what being dead will be like, nothing!***

      Interesting philosophical thought. I had never really thought about it from that perspective. The only caveat would be faiths that believe in reincarnation such as Buddhism. 😉

      Good stuff Al!

      February 26, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • The Truth

      ***@Derek: The onus is most definitely on people of faith to prove the claims of the existence of their make-believe God and not vice versa, like they insist.***

      Correct... someone cannot disprove a negative as it is impossible.

      ***That is what completely annoys me with people of faith is that they do not apply the same standards of reason and logic towards religion as they do in any other facet in life.***

      Exactly.

      ***For example, I am going to make the bold claim that The Mailbox Monster exists. I know because I have a book that says that he disguises himself as a regular blue mailbox and will eat people at random as they try to put their mail in his box. Again, I know this because it is written in a book.***

      In case you don't know about the FSM, I'll provide the link below. It was written to the Kansas School Board. The chart showing the "correlation" between pirates and global warming is absolutely hilarious.

      http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

      🙂

      February 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
  20. The Truth

    LOL... why did he need to leave Egypt in the first place? Surely his God would have protected him... Right? I mean after all, God had no problem protecting Moses in Egypt.

    This is almost as good as wondering why the Pope rides around in the "Popemobile" complete with bulletproof glass.

    I mean come on... is that not the absolute most ridiculous thing ever? The Pope is supposed to be trusting that God will take care of him, so why does the Pope, of all people, need bulletproof glass when he supposedly has a "bodyguard" (God) that makes Kevin Costner taking care of Whitney Houston look like Mini Me taking care of Shaq? It is also likely that he wears kevlar protection under his vestments.

    I mean, where's the faith? How hypocritical is it that the man who is in charge of an entire religion who preaches that God will take care of you, doesn't even trust that God will protect him?

    Even if he is killed by a bullet, wouldn't that then be "God's will?" Who is the Pope to try and alter God's will? If God wants him to live, surely God can just change the path of the bullet in mid-flight. Besides, if the Pope is indeed killed, he should be ecstatic to get to "a better place" in Heaven. Based on him riding around in the Popemobile, I'd question how certain he is of that as well.

    What's next? Is the Pope going to start sporting a white kevlar Bible to use as a shield? LOL

    In any event, it is good to know that a man of God/Allah can now re-enter a country once the common people overthrew the dictator, while the man of God/Allah was off in hiding.

    Peace!

    February 26, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • JD

      Quite simple. They need to be protected from idiots like you.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bryan

      You should stop now, before your juvenile understanding of faith is more exposed.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • cestlavie

      Do you have any idea how silly your logic is?

      February 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
    • Maty

      The Bible isn't a comic book, and your "arguments" are ridiculously silly.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • ROC

      You make no sense at all – even people of faith must live in a real world – you do not have very good understanding or knowledge.

      February 26, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • alyk

      Thank you for your post. It opened my eyes...It just shows that some leaders have no faith or trust in God...as king David writes...The Lord is my shepherd......Hypocrite or what...God bless

      February 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • Ibrahim

      your stupid! he goes and talks in other countries! And his trust in islam their is a saying in which you can pray for help from god but you cannot sit around and hope he does it all for you... educate yourself

      February 26, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • damn yank

      nobody knows god's will.... it could very well be that god's will was to have this famous religious tv evangelist to go and teach peace and co existence to the young Muslim youth so that one day the youth would rise up against the evil dictators of the world....

      February 26, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
    • Drew

      Seems like a case of "trust but yerify" to me.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • dave

      I just may have read the most naive ignorant writing I have ever read on the cnn page...this is so funny it is almost cute to think a person would be so wrapped up in such a rambling piece of nonsense and divel..wow...you have made my day
      thanks

      February 26, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Chuck

      It is so amazing that you always feel so compelled to make such nonsensical comments regarding anyone having faith, but we of faith do not jump you at every turn to stell you how stupid you are. I, for one, am sick of the constant ridicule, rudeness, and hatefulness which runs rampant against faith. Who has rained on your parade, that makes you think this is your job in life?

      February 26, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • Derek

      Very well said, Truth. It's unfortunate that the simple mind over in Egypt (and here in the States for that matter) can not comprehend even the basic logic, and instead throngs of supporters allow themselves to be brainwashed by this man's words.

      February 26, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Al

      I see from the replies that other dislike the very simple clear logic of "put up or shut up" that has dogged religion since it was first inflicted on humanity! It s total nonsense and you so brilliantly point it out. Here's some more twisted logic. If the rewards are so great once we are dead and in the afterlife why would any "believer" with "faith" not welcome the opportunity to achieve everlasting happiness? If the pope and this cleric truly think heaven is awaiting them, why would they have bulletproof glass or anything else between them and whatever??? Now that would show REAL faith. but alas, the pope and these other shaman know better, they know its not real.... (too bad most of their followers aren't as smart)!

      February 26, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • The Truth

      ***@Derek: Very well said, Truth.***

      Thank you Derek.

      ***It's unfortunate that the simple mind over in Egypt (and here in the States for that matter) can not comprehend even the basic logic***

      Amen.

      February 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm |
    • The Truth

      ***@Al "I see from the replies that other dislike the very simple clear logic of "put up or shut up" that has dogged religion since it was first inflicted on humanity!***

      As the saying goes... Actions speak louder than words. 😉

      ***It s total nonsense and you so brilliantly point it out. ***

      Thank you.

      ***Here's some more twisted logic. If the rewards are so great once we are dead and in the afterlife why would any "believer" with "faith" not welcome the opportunity to achieve everlasting happiness? If the pope and this cleric truly think heaven is awaiting them, why would they have bulletproof glass or anything else between them and whatever??? Now that would show REAL faith. but alas, the pope and these other shaman know better, they know its not real.... (too bad most of their followers aren't as smart)!***

      Exactly. 🙂

      February 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • The Truth

      ***@JD "They need to be protected from idiots like you."***

      VERY Christian of you! I know name calling was one of Jesus' strong points in the Bible. Good thing you understand your faith so well.

      ***@BRYAN "You should stop now, before your juvenile understanding of faith is more exposed." ***

      I'll bet I've studied faith for far more hours than you have.

      ***@CESTLAVIE "Do you have any idea how silly your logic is?"***

      Do you have any idea how silly you will look if you try to actually put forth an argument against it? You'll look fine on steps 1 and maybe 2, but as we go down the logic ladder, your argument will turn into quicksand.

      ***@MATY "The Bible isn't a comic book, and your "arguments" are ridiculously silly."***

      No, it most certainly is not a comic book. Comic books are generally much better written and have far fewer errors in them.

      ***@ROC "You make no sense at all – even people of faith must live in a real world – you do not have very good understanding or knowledge."***

      Even people of faith must live in a real world? That comment directly implies that faith is therefore fantasy.

      ***@IBRAHIM "your stupid! ... educate yourself"***

      HAHAHA... Actually it is "You're" stupid... so go educate yourself and leave the complex arguments to those at the big boy table.

      ***@DAMN YANKdamn "nobody knows god's will.... it could very well be that god's will was to have this famous religious tv evangelist to go and teach peace and co existence to the young Muslim youth so that one day the youth would rise up against the evil dictators of the world...."

      It "could be." The Easter Bunny "could be" coming to house in April too.

      ***@DAVE "I just may have read the most naive ignorant writing I have ever read on the cnn page...this is so funny it is almost cute to think a person would be so wrapped up in such a rambling piece of nonsense and divel.."

      What... you read your own post Dave? Because I totally agree with that. BTW... a comma belongs between the two pejoratives above and it is "drivel" not "divel." So was it naive and ignorant? Absolutely. Wow...you have made my day. Thanks!

      *** CHUCK "It is so amazing that you always feel so compelled to make such nonsensical comments regarding anyone having faith, but we of faith do not jump you at every turn to stell you how stupid you are. I, for one, am sick of the constant ridicule, rudeness, and hatefulness which runs rampant against faith. Who has rained on your parade, that makes you think this is your job in life?"

      Chuck, that is a VERY Christian response on your part. If you knew anything about your own religion, you'd realize that you should be above petty comments like that. But obviously, you missed that part in the Bible (which is pretty much the overriding theme). What makes you "feel so compelled" to say how stupid I/we are? Yep, that's what I thought. I spent a huge portion of my life in the Church and now I'm outside of organized religion and I am MUCH happier without it. So I've walked on both sides of the equation... how long have you spent on the outside of the religious bubble? How many other religions have you tried?

      To you Chuck and to all the others on here, I encourage/challenge you to spend a handful of minutes and watch this and then you'll see why people on the outside of the proverbial "bubble" are talking to you.

      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/video7.htm

      Peace to all!

      February 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • damn yank

      ucf uyo, uoy pistud sihts..... nodt eb os dterade

      in 1000 million years, these letters will rearrange themselves and evolve into a sentence pistud atheists can read.....

      atheists who don't believe a higher power exists are free to disagree, but the may not create or type a response....the response will evolve on it's own 10000 million years from now......

      February 26, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
    • The Truth

      This is what you people are saying in a nutshell: "We need to rely on science and common sense and not on God."

      In the case of the Muslim TV preacher, he tucked tail and got out of Dodge because he knew God/Allah wasn't going to protect him. But why not? God/Allah protected Moses (who was the most mentioned about prophet in the Qur'an) against an evil dictator, so why couldn't he protect this guy? The answer is that he could have, but Khaled was intelligent enough to know that this is hogwash. So he did what natural selection dictated and left for his own safety (which in essence can preserve his gene pool).

      In the case of the Pope, he supposedly has Apostolic succession, so surely God has his eye on the Pope watching over him. Yet the Pope also knows this is hogwash as well and that is why he sports kevlar and bulletproof glass.

      Now many of you will say, "God created the scientists who created kevlar and bulletproof glass, so the Pope would be stupid not to use them." Yes indeed, it is amazing how Christians can pick and choose which parts of science they use. If that argument were indeed true, then God also created the science of euthanasia, abortion, stem cell research, growing human organs in petri dishes, transplanting animal parts into humans, human cloning, etc, etc, etc. Yet when it comes to those topics, then they twist and turn that story a million different ways to then try and "justify" something else.

      The realities are that people "cherry pick" items like that just as much as they "cherry pick" what parts of the Bible to believe and which parts to ignore and which parts to give their own "special interpretation" to.

      In the case of the Pope, if he is wearing kevlar and God wants him dead, then God has the bullet hit his head or neck area. So God decides regardless. Thus, why wear it since God is watching over him? If God wants him to live, then he'll live and if God wants him to die, he'll die regardless of whether he is behind bulletproof glass or wearing kevlar. The reason why he wears it is because the Pope realizes deep down inside that God will not protect him. Did God give Moses bulletproof glass and kevlar? But in the end, a "kind" God allows the Pope to live because of all the wonderful things the Catholic Church and the Pope have done to ra-pe children around the world and then cover it up for decades.

      As far as all of you are concerned, if you needed a heart surgery which had a 99% success rate, what would you do:

      Option 1: Pray to God that your heart miraculously heals itself.

      Option 2: Go see a cardiothoracic surgeon and have science heal you.

      I think we all know the answer to that one. Now some of you will say that God provided that science to us. Then I say, he also provided stem cells, abortion, cloning, etc, so you should be fine with those as well. Or I'll ask what happened to the person 100 years ago who had the exact same heart condition as just described? What happened to that person? Where was God "providing" science to save his/her life? God just let all of those people die apparently. Or what about a person starving to death in Ethiopia with the exact same condition that doesn't have access nor the money to pay for that surgery? Where is God "providing" for that person? Do you realize how many countless people that starve to death pray to God for food every single day?

      So you can either choose to accept reality and deal with this or you can continue to live in a bubble of delusion. It quite honestly makes little difference to me as the only person that you are hurting is yourself.

      I encourage you to watch the video provided in my response above.

      Peace to all.

      February 26, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • The Truth

      @damn yank "ucf uyo, uoy pistud sihts..... nodt eb os dterade in 1000 million years, these letters will rearrange themselves and evolve into a sentence pistud atheists can read....."

      LOL.... you are such a clown. You are just PROVING my point with your little pouty tirade. First off, you didn't even get all of the "letters" correct... so when they "rearrange themselves and evolve" it will be incorrect. Classic.

      Secondly, you have NO UNDERSTANDING of your own faith or else you wouldn't be so daft as to post that tripe in the first place. It's pretty pathetic that a person that doesn't claim your faith has to teach you about it. You are very Jesus like indeed.
      Thanks for the laugh at your expense.

      Peace.

      February 26, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
    • Johan S

      Anyone who encourages others to kill themselves (or others) should be given a fair trial and then hanged for murder.

      February 26, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • Re-all-ity

      Can anyone one say maniacal? Talk about straining at a gnats and swallowing camels. How can one think theirself so smart, pounce on all the irrelevant details, and miss the whole picture. Some one wake them up before they roll the credits. Take that powder away from them to and clean their nose off.

      February 27, 2011 at 12:11 am |
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