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Jews did not kill Jesus, pope writes in new book
Pope Benedict XVI on March 2, 2011.
March 2nd, 2011
12:47 PM ET

Jews did not kill Jesus, pope writes in new book

The Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the death of Jesus, Pope Benedict XVI writes a book to be published next week.

Many Catholics and other Christians blamed Jews for Jesus' death for hundreds of years, but the Catholic Church formally repudiated that assertion in the 1960s.

Benedict underlines the new position in his book "Jesus of Nazareth."

"Who has insisted on the condemnation of Jesus to death?" he asks in the book, referring to scenes in the Gospels where the people of Jerusalem demand that Roman governor Pontius Pilate have Jesus crucified.

The Gospel of John says the people in question were "the Judeans," but the pope says the term "does not refer to - unlike the modern reader may tend to interpret - the people of Israel as such, and it doesn't even have a 'racist' connotation."

Far from meaning all Jewish people, Benedict writes, "the circle of prosecutors pursuing the death of Jesus" is the "aristocracy of the Temple," or the priesthood.

"Even that is not without exception," he adds in the book, excerpts of which were obtained by CNN.

Benedict has had a difficult relationship with Jews during his six-year papacy.

He infuriated many by welcoming back into the church a rebel bishop who is on record as saying that Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler did not have a systematic plan to murder Europe's Jews. The rebel bishop also minimized the role of the Auschwitz death camp in the Holocaust.

Benedict later ordered the bishop, Richard Williamson, to recant his views, saying the Vatican was not aware of them when it decided to lift his excommunication.

Benedict also put his predecessor, Pius XII, on the path to sainthood, further antagonizing many Jews, who believe the World War II-era pope did little to save Jews from Hitler.

But Benedict also last year became the first pope to visit Rome's main synagogue since 1986, trying to smooth feathers on an annual "Day of Dialogue" with the Jewish community.

The Jewish community "believes that Benedict's desire to continue dialogue is sincere," said Lisa Palmieri-Billig, the American Jewish Committee's liaison to the Holy See, just before the January 2010 meeting. "They believe the dialogue and the relationship are very important."

CNN's Gisella Deputato contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Judaism • Pope Benedict XVI

soundoff (1,434 Responses)
  1. Lara Young

    EVIL and fulfillment of prophecy were used by GOD to redeem humanity. Jesus knew before his hour came what that hour would mean. No single group is responsible for the death of Jesus. All of humanity is accountable.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • Picklejuice

      no, not really. If your grandfather kills someone, do they hold his son or grandchildren accountable? No, that's illogical.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • Big World Truth

      Including Jesus and God for those "Christians" who believe him part human and part God, or including Jesus for those "Christians" that believe him all human. Not all "Christains" believe him to be all God, but for those I guess he could be excluded from blame, but only if they believe God has very limited power. Its all so clear then isn't it? Hardly. Unless we're maybe all part of God, but not quite realizing that enough yet. Obviously?

      March 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
  2. JLP

    If he is trying to minimize the fact that the crowd,"of Jews" screamed to crucify him and give us Barrabas, he is just pandering. Sounds to me like the Jews had a big part in it.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • magnus

      I agree, the Jews were just as guilty as the Romans, who ultimately put Him to death. No one can spin or rewrite history, not even the Pope.

      March 2, 2011 at 8:05 pm |
  3. JonathanL

    For once I agree with the Pope! Jesus got himself executed by taunting the political authorities, the status quo, Pontius Pilate. He knew what he was doing and was tyring to fulfill the popular story that would make him look like the prophet. He made a huge and painful sacrifice which at least indicates he truly believed either in himself, his cause or both. Should I blame the Jews for my death if I decide to walk in front of a fast moving bus carrying Israelis? Someone as simplistic and vengeful as John Gotti might, but not I.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Greg

      Huge and painful sacrifice? Really? Getting smacked around a bit and bleeding to death over a few hours while knowing he'll come back to life a few days later isn't really all that horrible compared to the way countless people die every day. People all over the world spend years of pain and agony from starvation, illnesses, and injuries. Even for historical execution and torture methods, crucifixion is nothing out of the ordinary compared to other methods, such as Vlad's impalements or even some of the fun stuff the Catholic Church did over the past 2 millenia to the people they considered heathens, pagans, & heritics or other enemies of the church.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      Crucifxion is not just "bleeding to death". wow you should study up on that a little

      March 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • Jim

      Crucifixion was so brutal and painful that after it was invented and used, the Romans came up with a new word to describe the unspeakable pain and suffering that came from it – crucified = "out of the cross." Ignorance is such a terrible thing...

      March 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  4. big tuna

    In 2011 this is all this knucklehead can sit around and ponder about. Forget all the real problems of the now world ~ let's write a book about something that may or may not have happened over 2000 years ago. and you wonder why they condone child molestation ~ too busy attempting to turn wine to blood.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Ruth

      Considering how many people have been unjustly massacered over this lie, and it continues until today-just read the comments, you're way off base.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • big tuna

      Ruth = a religious nut job and I am off base.
      ...hahahahahahhahhahah

      If all the eons full of brain dead glazed over eyes belivers in invisible people whould have gotten a grip on themselves none of this stupidity would have happened in the first place.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • big tuna

      Comon Ruth you know it was your relatives who wacked him ~ you will be smoted !!
      Soros just bought off the pope to make this statement ~ the hebes did it.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:32 pm |
    • Large .NET

      Something smells fishy? And to think, many carry your likeness on their car bumpers. Evidence of things unseen, yet still there none the less, no matter the human ineptness at description.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
  5. blake

    I love Israel, but I think the Pope needs to go back and study his history. If the Jews didn't kill Jesus, who did? It was the Jewish religious leaders with the passive consent of Rome.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Al

      Agreed. It is historically stated that the Jews encouraged or were a catalyst of having Jesus crucified, though they did not do it themselves. That being said, its completely senseless to make a connection between the Jews of today and the Jews back then. That's like saying the good people of today's Germany should be associated with the Germans who were supporters of the Nazi regime during WWII. There is no logic behind it.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
  6. Arne

    Amazing how people blindly, without any scepticism, take a collection of myths & legends containing the smallest possible amount of real history, i.e. the bible, as an accurate historical account. No surprise that religion turns off the rational mind.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
  7. MikeW

    This is a load off my mind. Now I will sleep better.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  8. Silvio Renzulli

    The pope is an idiot trying to rewrite history. The majority of the people in Judah were Hebrew, At the time there were many sects among the Jewish faith. One or more clamored for Christ's death. The pope is right in saying you can't blame all the Jews. However to say that Jews are blameless as he is implying is wrong.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Ruth

      Anti Semetism is alive and well.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • big tuna

      I had an anti-semite stuffed with calf liver at a resturant in Soho last nite. Sure was yummuy

      March 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  9. JK

    Great, I can sleep better at night.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  10. Richard

    Counselling to commit murder IS a crime and always has been. Papist apologists aside.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
    • Al

      Good Lord, just another scared figurehead who has to obviously defer the blame from the "chosen people" to someone else. Are we really that frightened of speaking the truth??

      March 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      Thanks for your input, Mr. Gibson.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • thesaj

      Yes, it is...

      But meeting out punishment to an entire group of people because of the actions of a single or small group of people is likewise a crime.

      A handful of Jews in one region, along with a number of Romans were responsible for the physical death of Jesus. That in no way implicates all Jews, all Romans or even all of those in the region of Judea.

      To punish an entire group of people for that is merely insane – and for the religious, demonic in nature.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
  11. kbd

    it has been over 2 thousand years..give or take a few that Jesus died. IF he even actually existed to begin with. He was a great man and did many great things...atleast thats what it says in the Bible. But for the love of pete get OVER it already. Who cares at this point. Are some of Jesus' descendants going to come forth and sue the Jewish population over this? Or shall we sue the descendants of the Roman's that were in the city at the time of this man's death? Why do so many people dwell on the past? Lets get over all this hatred and move on with our lives and make it better for ourselves and our children and not waste time and money on simple arguements on who's descendants killed or enslaved who.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      despite what Dan Brown has convinced the population to believe, Jesus doesn't have any descendants. I don't know, maybe Dan Brown can sue.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
  12. Time for truth

    The people who today call themselves jews, are not decended from the jews spoken of in the bible. Those are people who adpoted the faith long after the daeth of Jesus. Acurate accounts of world history have been intentionally altered for the good of those wishing to rule the world.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
    • Southern Christian

      Jesus himself was a Jew.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
    • Dee2118

      Actually, the Sephardic Jews are descended from the Biblical Jews. The Ashkenazie Jews came later, in the 14th century, in Eastern Europe

      March 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • AP

      Oh really? Read these silly blog lines, read the article about the Pope saying
      "Jews" didn't kill Jesus...Still wondering why the Pope needs to restate what was said at Vatican 2.
      Wondering why it still matters and really afraid of the ignorance fueled by inaccurate study of Biblical passages.
      Sometimes, one should read the OT with a concordance:: puts passages into historical frameworks and footnotes what scholars actually believed. By the way, the Sanhedren hasn't met since the destruction of the 2nd temple in 70AD..an awful lot of hatred and murder has happened since. Really...the Pope has to state that Jews didn't kill Jesus? It's really scary that anyone actually believes that...hasn't it been at least 10 generations since? Give it a rest already.

      March 2, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
  13. Sally Li

    He's right.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
  14. thirdeye

    So you saying that the Bible is a lie?

    March 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Ruth

      Of course it's a lie.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
    • Sally Li

      No. The conclusions which have been presumed on the basis of statements which are actually in the Bible are lies. For example, the Bible doesn't say Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. It also doesn't say that creation is right and evolution is wrong. And Jesus never stated that he was God. And no one in the Bible ever predicted an end to the world.Furthermore, the statements in the Hebrew Scriptures which condemn the people of Israel or the Jews for bad behavior, are in-group upbraidings and exhortations to improvement. It is inappropriate for any non-Jewish writer to take these statements out of context, to condemn the entire group. And anything taken out of context, thought it be accurately reported, can easily be twisted into a lie. For example, in the book, "Letters from Ike", which contains letters written in Europe, by General Eisenhower, and sent to his wife, Mamie, during World War Two, I can take Eisenhower's comments out of context to show that he "was involved in numerous gay affairs, worshipped dogs, was a Nazi agent, despised America, and participated in all manner of questionable events". Of course, the true meaning of all of Eisenhower's statements in their proper context is actually noble and praiseworthy, and no truthful representation would ever aver that any of these shocking meanings has any place in any rightful interpretation of his letters. But with the passage of time, and the changes in the English language that will take place in the next few hundred years, who knows what people living in the year 2325 will think of Eisenhower's statements, especially if by then the only copies of his writings which exist will be translations into Chinese, with the original English versions all destroyed? That is the same lapse in time and translation gap involved in many of the writings of the Christian Bible, otherwise called the New Testament .

      March 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Southern Christian

      Sally Li – I suggest you study the Bible again for it certainly does say the things you say it doesn't.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
  15. tom

    what about the simple statement that no group of individuals is responsible for the actions of a particular individual or individuals (especially not responsible generation after generation for hundreds or thousands of years)

    Are the Austrians responsible for the Holocaust b/c Hitler was Austrian?

    Is the modern country of Greece responsible for wiping out Troy?

    John Wiles-Boothe was a Baptist - are the Baptists responsible for the assassination of Lincoln?

    March 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • Shingaling

      No, No... No, No...No...No...No, No, No, No....Nobody can do the Shingaling like I do

      March 2, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
  16. yanni

    It was God's plan from before creation that Jesus would die on the cross.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      why?

      March 2, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
    • ScottK

      He makes a good point. If Catholics believe the Pope is infallible, then God also must be infallible, which means anything he has done he meant to do, therefore he knew he would be sending his son to die for mankinds sins before he even created man. Or, he is to much of a contradiction to exist, therefore Jesus was just another delusional human who fit some of the earlier prophecies about the guy who was supposed to rescue the Jews from Roman occupation.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      Scott you just worked that logic completely backwards....if they believe the pope is infallible then God must be infallible etc etc lol Christians believe God is perfect and Omnipotent, and not subject to time in any way. Of course He would know before He created man about the fall of Man and the need to send a redeeming sacrifice. I am not Catholic though so I don't believe the pope is anything more than a normal man. Protestant Christians don't work backward from the pope for their religious beliefs

      March 2, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • ScottK

      @sockpuppet – "Christians believe God is perfect and Omnipotent, and not subject to time in any way. Of course He would know before He created man about the fall of Man and the need to send a redeeming sacrifice."

      So first, that means you agree with what Yanni said. Second, that would mean God knowingly created an imperfect vessel with the intent to allow millions if not billions of his creations to suffer and die and then, according to most Christians, suffer even more for an eternity based on their few years of life on this planet, even those who lived and died on this earth without ever being told your "good news" or given the oportunity to follow Christ and be "redeemed". Thats like being a mad scientist who breeds millions of puppies knowing he will strap them in a cage and slowly drown them if they don't learn to jump through his obstical course fast enough. I'm sorry, but I would not want to be friends with your God.

      March 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • AnhTuan

      ScottK, we can see the humility of God's ambassadors when approaching any human being who God considered to be unclean until he made them clean.

      25 – And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

      26 – But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

      All of us are like Cornelius in these verses before we are saved. Same goes for the pope. The pope would need Jesus Christ as his personal savior as much as all the humans do. Do you see any examples in the bible where a son of God walk proudly and set himself aside before the society saying that he himself is the son of God? Jesus didn't even do that. We don't walk proudly because we are saved, and others are not. God resists the proud (James 4:6). If we do, we must reexamine ourselves whether we are of God (saved).

      March 2, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
  17. mohammed

    muslims, 1450 years ago have given the jews the certificate of innocence from the blood of jesus. Muslims believe that jesus(pbuh) was never crucified; hence, there was no murder committed and that jews are blameless from the blood of jesus.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
    • anthony

      thanks for your worthless two cents on this topic. We are talking about Jesus and the Jews. no one asked mohommad for his input on something he has nothing to do with.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
    • Jon

      Huh. I guess that's true. Does that mean you'll let us off for that whole Treaty of Medina thing?

      March 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Southern Christian

      There is no need for a cerificate of innocence from Muslims. Muslims have no authority to do so. The death of Jesus is addressed many times in the Old Testament as a prophecy. That prophecy was fulfilled by God so that mankind could be forgiven his sin and find the only way to heaven through Jesus.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • mohammed

      anthony
      the only worthless thing i see is the food that you are eating is not doing its job nourshing your brain. there are 1.5 billion muslims who belive that jesus was a messenger and was not killed by the jews based on the authority of prophet mohammed pbuh if you tiny minute brain fails to the importance of this you might like to continue what you were doing before you commented on my post dare i say it "pick your nose or scratching your behined... the whole idea if you fail to see it that the if the jews were guilty of killing biblical jesus the the holocost and antisemitism that the christians feels twards the jews is justified from the point of view of the church. however in Islam we have the rule that you are not familiar with which states that each soul is responsible for its own doing , the concept of fairness and justice that islam have dessiminated before your great great great grand pa met your great great great grand ma ok tony : ok baby have a lolipop

      March 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • Wonder ing

      So there's no chance after years of prediction that someone could act out the play as predicted, much like many seem to actually want to bring about the end of time scenario for their greater glory? Actually I've read that there were others trying to do much the same, all with slightly different understandings.

      Would it be best if some one wants time to end now in their life time, that they they just go off somewhere peacefully by their self and make their time end? Then they can just wait around for the "real" end of time without causing so much pain and suffering in the "mean" time.

      What makes it better to make everyone else's time end too?

      March 2, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      It's rich to have a Muslim talking about Christian anti-Semitism. ....Most Christians are not. Also, no Christian I have ever met in my lifetime has ever felt the Holocaust was justifiable based on Jews killing Jesus. Really really off.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
    • maloof

      Thanks very much Mohammed – that certificate helped. This did not help the Jews in Jiddah .

      March 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
  18. ABD

    The Jews didn't kill him, my mom did !!!
    The question is: Are the christians happy that the Jews killed Jesus or not ??? are they Sad he got killed ??? I am sure you can look at it from both sides, which is a basic contradiction, and there are hundreds of contradictions as well.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      wow you must be really really old

      March 2, 2011 at 2:23 pm |
    • Jim

      you mean really confused

      March 2, 2011 at 4:30 pm |
  19. Hi

    I think his hat is on too tight.

    March 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
  20. Steve the real one

    Technically the Pope is correct. The Jews under Roman occupation DID NOT have authority to mete out capital punishment. That authority belonged to the Romans! Why do I say "technically"? From John 10:

    15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
    16 And other sheep I have , which are not of this fold: them also I must bring , and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
    17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down , and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Jesus stated He layed His life down. V 18 states NO ONE took His life But instead He laid it down! In short, it was a voluntary act (of love).

    March 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      wonderful.. Thanks for your comment. I rarely see that point made and I appreciate you taking the time to quote the verses.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      In addition, He died for OUR sins, meaning we all played a role. More importantly from Revelation 13:8 KJV
      And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

      The death of Christ was God's plan from the begining (or foundation of the world)!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      sockpuppet
      wonderful.. Thanks for your comment. I rarely see that point made and I appreciate you taking the time to quote the verses.
      ----
      Thank you for your kind words! Praise God for His wonderful plan!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
    • mohammed

      if you claim that jesus had the power to take his back again give me ONE verse from the bible that he raised him self from the dead -which you will not be able to simply becoz its not there ,howerever ther are plenty of verses in the new testeamnet that :THE FATHER raised him from the dead.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      Well that is nice quoting and all but doesnt change a thing about pilot offering a chance for his life to be spared and they called for his death, regardless of whether he was willing to sacrifice himself or not.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      stupid autocorrect. i meant pilate.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:22 pm |
    • Southern Christian

      You are correct. Amen.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • Ruth

      Did it ever occur to you that your NT was "doctored" and isn't telling the truth? I could ppoint out dozens of lies and inaccuracies but I doubt you;d listen.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      mohammed
      you said to me: if you claim that jesus had the power to take his back again give me ONE verse from the bible that he raised him self from the dead -which you will not be able to simply becoz its not there ,howerever ther are plenty of verses in the new testeamnet that :THE FATHER raised him from the dead.

      I say: I just gave you the verse!

      Then you said: muslims, 1450 years ago have given the jews the certificate of innocence from the blood of jesus. Muslims believe that jesus(pbuh) was never crucified; hence, there was no murder committed and that jews are blameless from the blood of jesus.
      ------
      I say: if you claim Jesus was never crucified, why even bother with your comment to me?

      March 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
    • DavidMichael

      How about actually looking up some history and reading some facts. Pontius Pilate happily, too happily, hanged 50,000 on crosses. Caesar, his brother in law, reprimanded him for his zeal. There was no "Barabbas" law, that allowed for the freeing on one prisoner over another....pure biblical fiction. The reality is that Jesus was a Jewish man that was able to gather thousands of able bodied men together....that was clearly scary for the Romans, especilly Pilate. He responded as many like Quaddafi and others...with death to those that threaten their rule.,,with death. The Jewish leaders made for good scapegoat, but Jesus said nothing heretical by any sense of the imagination...unless of course you are Christian and believe the untruth.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:35 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Cedar Rapids
      Well that is nice quoting and all but doesnt change a thing about pilot offering a chance for his life to be spared and they called for his death, regardless of whether he was willing to sacrifice himself or not.
      -----
      1. The Jews addressed Pilate because they did not have capital punishment authority!
      2. Pilate could have easily set Jesus free as he (Pilate) found nothing in Jesus worthy of death
      3. If that happened the we all would STILL be lost.
      4. That was God's plan from the foundation of the world (scripture provided)
      5. If you need to blame anyone, start with you and I'll start with me because He died for OUR sins! And since we ALL have sinned, we WERE guilty! Yet we who believe are not guilty because He bore our sins, just as the Father planned it!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
    • mohammed

      just to show you steve that what you were told to believe as a christian is incorrect and your faith is baseless.
      to assert this point you were not able to bring the verse that i asked for.this goes to prove my point again.
      most every thing that christians believe in is not from the bible.
      for example the comment that was made that he came by him self to lay down his own life on his own. well that is a flat out lie because biblical jesus said that i didnot come down by my own will but he sent me. and also he was crying to let this hour pass ... so much for a well planned and executed suicide 🙂

      March 2, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      John 19:11 (in response to Pilate)
      Jesus answered, "(N)You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason (O)he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

      March 2, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Ruth
      Did it ever occur to you that your NT was "doctored" and isn't telling the truth? I could ppoint out dozens of lies and inaccuracies but I doubt you;d listen
      -----–
      Well Ruth it all boils down to this: Do I believe the Lord God or do I believe Ruth? You said: "but I doubt you;d listen"
      It appears you already who I will believe!
      !

      March 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • ScottK

      "NO ONE took His life But instead He laid it down! In short, it was a voluntary act " – So, the first instance of sanctioned suicide?

      "Suicide is the act of one who causes his own death, either by positively destroying his own life, as by inflicting on himself a mortal wound or injury, or by omitting to do what is necessary to escape death, as by refusing to leave a burning house. From a moral standpoint we must treat therefore not only the prohibition of positive suicide, but also the obligation inc umbent on man to preserve his life." – Catholic encyclopedia

      Looks like J esus might just get excommunicated...

      March 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      I don't think Jesus was a Catholic. And anyway, there is a difference between suicide and self-sacrifice or martyrdom. He did not actually kill Himself but allowed Himself to a be a sacrifice.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • ScottK

      "Do I believe the Lord God or do I believe Ruth?" – Well, I bet theres a lot more evidence that Ruth exists...

      March 2, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      lol funny but believing in the existence of Ruth and believing what Ruth says are two entirely different things

      March 2, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      DavidMichael
      How about actually looking up some history and reading some facts. Pontius Pilate happily, too happily, hanged 50,000 on crosses. Caesar, his brother in law, reprimanded him for his zeal. There was no "Barabbas" law, that allowed for the freeing on one prisoner over another....pure biblical fiction. The reality is that Jesus was a Jewish man that was able to gather thousands of able bodied men together....that was clearly scary for the Romans, especilly Pilate. He responded as many like Quaddafi and others...with death to those that threaten their rule.,,with death. The Jewish leaders made for good scapegoat, but Jesus said nothing heretical by any sense of the imagination...unless of course you are Christian and believe the untruth
      -----–
      100% incorrect! Fact, huh? "Professing themselves to be wise..." I 'm sure you know the rest! Oh yes I am a Christian!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • Opie

      The Romans did not kill people for the "crime" of apostasy. Only monotheists do that. St. Stephen experienced this first hand, according to the Bible he was killed for "insulting God and Moses". By the same token, the Sanhedrin sought a death penalty for Jesus because he... WAS AN APOSTATE BY THEIR LAW!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • mohammed

      scott
      you said "or by omitting to do what is necessary to escape death, as by refusing to leave a burning house" how about runnimng away from a mob that you "supposedley" know they are gonna kill you 🙂
      narrowmindedness never accomplished any thing according to the christian belief he came to die for the sins that was commited then according to the same belief of a "plan" he was gonna die that is the same thing as surrendering to death which is suicide got it .. scott ... 🙂

      "

      March 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      sockpuppet
      lol funny but believing in the existence of Ruth and believing what Ruth says are two entirely different things
      ----–
      So true!

      March 2, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      I just have to comment that I find it really interesting that any time an article is posted about religious beliefs or practices, or religious leaders, the atheists come out in droves. I am curious as to why atheists feel the need to read those articles and then comment on them, if they don't believe in God in the first place. I don't read articles about Lady Gaga because I am not a fan of hers and it doesn't interest me. Why are you so interested?

      March 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • mohammed

      steve ,
      you said you gave me the verse?!!!!!!!!!!!
      i must be going blind
      i saw no verse in your post
      agian you or any christian give me a verse that say that jesus raised him self from the dead?or else your belief is dead 🙂
      you people are so funny

      March 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • Opie

      Mohammed? Are you Muslim? If you are indeed Muslim, do not antagonize the Christians over this issue. Allah (subhana wa t'ala) has made clear that Jesus (sallahi aleyhi wa sellam) did NOT die on the cross so any question as to his resurrection is meaningless to us. If they want to believe that prophets can intercede on their behalf, adopt pagan incarnations and otherwise do everything that is kafir then LET THEM. Only Islam exonerates Jews from the stupid deicide charge laid out in the Bible.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      Mohammed Christians believe Jesus and God are One and the same, so it's a moot point that you are trying to make. I understand where you are coming from, but as you hold different beliefs in that regard, then it certainly won't make any sense to you.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • ScottK

      @sockpuppet – "He did not actually kill Himself but allowed Himself to a be a sacrifice."

      You make my point I'm afraid – "or by omitting to do what is necessary to escape death, as by refusing to leave a burning house."

      And as to him not being Catholic, touche!! But i'm pretty sure there are many Catholic's out there who believe he founded their religion, though they would of course be mistaken. The pagan Roman elite founded the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church to maintain control over their empire and it has fed off the blood of the innocent like a gluttonous vampire keeping itself alive for over 1500 years by reinventing itself every time it is caught red lipped.

      March 2, 2011 at 1:59 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      Opie

      The Romans did not kill people for the "crime" of apostasy. Only monotheists do that. St. Stephen experienced this first hand, according to the Bible he was killed for "insulting God and Moses". By the same token, the Sanhedrin sought a death penalty for Jesus because he... WAS AN APOSTATE BY THEIR LAW!
      -----–
      That is correct but you forget why they approached Pilate in the first place! They had no authority to put anyone to death. Stop forgetting that! Crucifixation was a ROMAN device, not Jewish!

      March 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      Scott would you call a father that stays inside a burning house in order to save his children, and throw them from the house, a suicide? That would be a veeeeeeery broad definition of suicide if you did. In fact, there is a time when sacrificing your own life knowingly to save someone else's would not be considered suicide, but heroism. Jesus sacrificed Himself to save US, so we don't consider that suicide. But honestly, that's a moot point as well. You are arguing semantics; it doesn't really matter what you lable it–the intent is what matters.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Opie

      Scott, your criticism of Catholicism is pointless as all monotheistic traditions began with henotheism, even Judaism. Yes, even the Jews started out by worshiping a pantheon and then placing one deity at the fore and eventually eschewing all other deities for the one. They got the idea from Akhenaten, possibly, and it's certainly a natural progression.

      A similar story occurred within Islam whereby Allah (subhana wa t'ala) was recognized as the sole deity from a pantheon of over 500.

      So what if the Catholics have saints who are former deities and if their church is the last vestige of the most important driving force EVER for Western civilization? To counter that, wouldn't it be wise to say that for Latin derived peoples... this is their cultural foundation?

      March 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      that's just one theory about Akhenaten–monotheism existed before he did

      March 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm |
    • Opie

      Steve, so you're agreeing that he was killed in accordance with Halakha, not with Roman Law? I don't really get why the Romans (who effectively do not exist unless you count the Catholic Church as being the last remnant of the Empire) should be blamed and not the Sanhedrin who ALSO do not exist.

      There's no point in saying that 'Jews" killed Jesus because that's silly. Was he killed in accordance with their law at the time? YES! Ask Moses (sallahu aleyhi wa sellam) how to deal with apostates? Place no other gods before me? Golden calf? C'mon.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
    • Steve the real one

      mohammed
      steve, you said you gave me the verse?!!! i must be going blind i saw no verse in your post agian you or any christian give me a verse that say that jesus raised him self from the dead?or else your belief is dead you people are so funny
      -----–
      Going Blind? No! Are blind? Yes and it appears not just spiritually. Here is the verse from my first post on this subject:

      Once again from John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down , and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father

      What is "it"? It is His life!
      j

      March 2, 2011 at 2:09 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      John 18:31 So Pilate said to them, "Take Him yourselves, and judge Him according to your law." The Jews said to him, "We are not permitted to put anyone to death,"

      March 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • mohammed

      steve
      this is the claim that he can do "it"
      where is the proof that he actually did it
      there is none
      all the veses in the nt says that the father raised him
      and speaking about spiritual blindess ?
      heat jesus when he said dont judge lest be judged 🙂
      believ me when i say that your faith and the faith of every christian is baseless and if you like or any christian church pastore we can debate on national tv just set the time and place and i will be there
      the topics are simple and you propably have heard them before"is jesus god?is the bible the word of god? is crucifiction fact or fiction? was paul a messenger of jesus?

      March 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      Mohammed as I said above, it's a moot point to argue difference in belief–you don't even believe He was crucified so why are you arguing how He was raised from the dead? You aren't making sense.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • mohammed

      sock
      i stated why
      i said that what current christians beilive in today is not from the bible they read today and hold holy.
      and it doesnot matter what i belive . if you were to ask me about something i believe in i should be able to bringforth a proof from quran and sunnah.
      i am asking the same of the christians bring forth the proof for what you believe in from your bible new or old testeamnent
      is that too much to ask ?
      i donot think so 🙂
      this might be my last post today
      cherrios every one or better yet honey nut cherrios lol:)

      March 2, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
    • sockpuppet

      He did provide a verse for you but the problem is you are coming at it from a non-believer angle. Therefore it doesn't mean the same thing to you, and we can't "prove" anything to you. As I said earlier, Jesus and God are One and the same to Christians–that is a concept that doesn't make sense to non-believers.

      March 2, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • AnhTuan

      mohammed, we can read in the book of Jeremiah 36:2 – "Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day."

      This is proof point how the bible was written, from the Old testament to new testament, that God told exactly the words to be written in the book, then his servants penned it down accordingly and God monitored all that. Moses didn't know how the world was created in the beginning, nor Daniel understand the prophecies that God reveals to him concerning about the end time, and the same way the book of Revelation was written. All the books are God's words.

      March 2, 2011 at 3:54 pm |
    • SouthrnPrincess

      This is exactly what is the basis of the religion. From the OT it was predicted thousands of years before. Take a look at Isaiah 53. AND to people who are arguing about accuracy etc, WHY do you care to tell Christians about their faith? Why not let them talk about it and discuss it without being mocking etc? Just Chill, it's their religion.

      1 Who has believed our message
      and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
      2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
      and like a root out of dry ground.
      He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
      nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
      3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
      a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
      Like one from whom people hide their faces
      he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

      4 Surely he took up our pain
      and bore our suffering,
      yet we considered him punished by God,
      stricken by him, and afflicted.
      5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
      he was crushed for our iniquities;
      the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
      and by his wounds we are healed.
      6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
      each of us has turned to our own way;
      and the LORD has laid on him
      the iniquity of us all.

      7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
      yet he did not open his mouth;
      he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
      and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
      so he did not open his mouth.
      8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
      Yet who of his generation protested?
      For he was cut off from the land of the living;
      for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
      9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
      and with the rich in his death,
      though he had done no violence,
      nor was any deceit in his mouth.

      10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
      and though the LORD makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
      he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
      and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
      11 After he has suffered,
      he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
      by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
      and he will bear their iniquities.
      12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
      and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
      because he poured out his life unto death,
      and was numbered with the transgressors.
      For he bore the sin of many,
      and made intercession for the transgressors.

      March 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • BradLW

      All of your arguments appear to simply be from authority and as such have no evidentiary value at all; and therefore have absolutely nothing to do with competently dealing with "reality".

      I think a more accurate appellation might be ". . . the "unreal" one.

      March 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
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